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• 2:59Speaker 02

  Big cat.

• 3:00Speaker 00

  We got a horny, horny NFL owner.

• 3:02Speaker 02

  We are at camp right. You know what? Like, okay, the season's about to start. I'm very excited about football being back. Can we not open up the show talking about the disgusting crimes of a sex pest? Instead, talk about Deshaun Watson getting the starting job.

• 3:17Speaker 00

  Congrats to Deshaun.

• 3:18Speaker 02

  Congrats to Sean. You did it.

• 3:20Speaker 00

  Congrats to Deshaun.

• 3:21Speaker 02

  You did it. Yeah, the Jed York news yesterday, pretty shocking. Ohio continues to take shots even when they're not talking about their football team. What was the weirdest part to you? Was it the fact that it was in a trailer park?

• 3:35Speaker 00

  Well, so for people who might not have seen the details of the news, Jed York, the owner of the San Francisco 49ers, owner of a very famous or adjacent owner of land next to a very famous substation, who is from Youngstown, Ohio originally, was in Ohio, and he was arrested for trying to solicit a prostitute and also owning criminal, what was it? Criminal tools.

• 4:02Speaker 02

  Criminal tools.

• 4:03Speaker 00

  Which I think is cellphone.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, the phone, anything that you use in conjunction with committing a crime in Ohio can be considered to be a criminal tool.

• 4:11Speaker 00

  They need to fix that because when you see criminal tools, it's like, oh dude, was this guy going to try to bang with like a hammer in his hand or something?

• 4:19Speaker 02

  I thought crowbar.

• 4:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I thought like one of those things that you break into cars with.

• 4:23Speaker 00

  Yeah. No, it's a cellphone. He was, he was, he was like switching back and forth between, you know, like Twitter and Instagram and a criminal tool.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  Would his shoes be considered to be a criminal tool? Like if he walked there?

• 4:36Speaker 00

  Wouldn't his eyes be a criminal tool? He opened up his eyes to look at his phone.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  That's true. His penis, criminal tool.

• 4:41Speaker 00

  Fingers, criminal tool.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, hand.

• 4:43Speaker 00

  We're just surrounded by criminal tools.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  His wallet, criminal tool.

• 4:45Speaker 00

  So it was a sting operation. So he went to, I think he found a website and he was like, oh, this is great. I'm going to go have some sex. I'm going to pay some money. This is all alleged by the way. Would pay some money, have some sex.

• 4:56Speaker 02

  When you put it that way, it actually doesn't sound that bad.

• 4:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, right. He's like, I'm going to, you know, a little this, little that. Going to go to this trailer park, hook up. Then he got in his car with his criminal tools in, in his pocket.

• 5:08Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 5:08Speaker 00

  And he got arrested because it was a sting operation and they knew he was coming.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  Okay, so there's been a slight update this morning. I don't know what to believe anymore when it comes to this case, but the waters are getting murky because the owner of the trailer park has weighed in.

• 5:23Speaker 00

  And?

• 5:24Speaker 02

  The owner of the trailer park would like to know that Jed York was simply pulled over.

• 5:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  In his trailer park. He was not, the sting operation was not happening at his trailer park.

• 5:34Speaker 00

  Right.

• 5:34Speaker 02

  So the arrest happened at the Wheat Hill Mobile Home Community.

• 5:38Speaker 00

  Which I think is actually a very fair clarification by that guy being like, hey, just so you know, our, if we have prostitutes here, they are not part of a sting operation.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  Correct. They're, yeah.

• 5:48Speaker 00

  Clarify.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  They're getting, they're getting unjustly painted with the blue brush right now.

• 5:52Speaker 00

  Right, right.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  I just got off the phone with the chief of police from East Palestine, Chief Wangert. According to the chiefs, Jed York was arrested in the park because that's where he happened to pull over. They were not using addresses in the park as part of their sting operation. So yes, our, our trailer park remains sting free.

• 6:08Speaker 00

  Correct, correct. Yeah. So that, that all happened and I think Jed York, I think he pled, he's out, he's out of jail. I think he was only, I think he might've already pled down.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. So he pled down from the charges. I don't think he was actually, he did not plead guilty to the prostitution charge. He pled guilty to a disorderly conduct charge and the criminal tools charge.

• 6:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. So I do feel like a lot of those things, they're just trying to get you on something and they'll, they're not going to like, you know, draw this out. It's like, we got you. You know, we got you. Pay the fine.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:41Speaker 00

  Plead down.

• 6:41Speaker 02

  They're not trying to embarrass you.

• 6:42Speaker 00

  Right.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  They're not trying to like, if there was a video of the entire encounter that happened with an owner and a prostitute, like they're not going to put that out.

• 6:50Speaker 00

  Right.

• 6:51Speaker 02

  You're never going to see that, see the light of day.

• 6:52Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  And if we know something about the NFL, I'm anxious to see what the league does as a whole because they have long had a policy when it comes to ownership, that if you get caught even sniffing a prostitute.

• 7:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:05Speaker 02

  Or being involved with any of this stuff. Like, see you, buddy. Like, you're out.

• 7:08Speaker 00

  You're out.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  Pack your bags. NFL, NFL says, no fucking league.

• 7:13Speaker 00

  We don't, we don't do horny here.

• 7:14Speaker 02

  No, we don't. Get out, get out.

• 7:16Speaker 00

  We play football.

• 7:17Speaker 02

  We don't need that bringing a black eye to the NFL. We need to have, you know, maintain a pristine image for our sponsors and our flagship franchises.

• 7:25Speaker 00

  Right.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  Like the 49ers. I mean, you talk about the greatest quarterback of all time, Joe Montana. That's a franchise that is like iconic in NFL history. If that owner is in trouble for anything, I don't care. You got to get him out of here.

• 7:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:39Speaker 02

  What do you think, Hank?

• 7:42Speaker 03

  I agree. I agree. Wholeheartedly.

• 7:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. You got to. You got to agree.

• 7:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's got to go.

• 7:46Speaker 02

  Are you anti-human trafficking?

• 7:49Speaker 03

  Of course. Yes, of course. Absolutely. Of course.

• 7:53Speaker 00

  Can we cut that pause out?

• 7:54Speaker 02

  Why did you think about that?

• 7:54Speaker 03

  There was no pause. It's early, it's early in the morning. I didn't, I, there's headphones, there's a delay from like you're talking and it getting into my headphones.

• 8:03Speaker 00

  Just so everyone knows, we did, we did post edit. We made the pause like one tenth as long as it norm, as it actually was.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  There was no pause.

• 8:12Speaker 00

  There was a really long pause.

• 8:14Speaker 03

  Extremely anti.

• 8:16Speaker 00

  It's a couple of long time to answer that. All right. So Hank, are you, do you think Bob Kraft should reach out to Jed York and be like, hey, man, we've all been there.

• 8:25Speaker 02

  It gets better.

• 8:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. Don't worry. Or do you think?

• 8:28Speaker 03

  I think it's slightly different situations.

• 8:30Speaker 00

  Oh, how so?

• 8:32Speaker 02

  Well, I think.

• 8:32Speaker 00

  Oh, Bob Kraft came, didn't he?

• 8:34Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. So that is different. That's one difference. Let's count all the differences. Bob Kraft came. Uh, two.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  Bob Kraft would never be in East Palestine.

• 8:44Speaker 00

  Nope. That's very true. Number two. Uh, number three. Bob Kraft technically did it during the NFL season.

• 8:50Speaker 03

  Yep. Now bye week.

• 8:52Speaker 00

  No, during the NFL.

• 8:54Speaker 02

  I think it was the week at, no bye week before the Super Bowl.

• 8:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that's still during the NFL.

• 8:59Speaker 02

  It was during the NFL postseason.

• 9:00Speaker 00

  Yeah. Which is more important. He did it during, actually, if you're, if you're gonna get arrested for this, preseason would be the time, right?

• 9:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's preseason for penises too. Like, we're all kinda getting back into shape, learning the rules.

• 9:12Speaker 03

  Oh, no, it was actually before the AFC Championship.

• 9:13Speaker 00

  Oh, so not even a bye week. Uh, what else? What are the other differences, Hank? Oh, here's one. This actually is big, Hank. Bob Kraft, I believe, was single at the time.

• 9:25Speaker 03

  Maybe.

• 9:26Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 9:27Speaker 02

  He was. I, I think he was, he was a widower.

• 9:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, I think he was single.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  He was a widower and then.

• 9:32Speaker 00

  Jed York is married.

• 9:33Speaker 02

  Jed York is, I believe, divorced.

• 9:35Speaker 00

  Oh, Jed York is also single.

• 9:37Speaker 02

  I believe they filed for divorce back in, uh, the spring of this year.

• 9:40Speaker 00

  Oh, so this was.

• 9:41Speaker 02

  I didn't know until.

• 9:42Speaker 00

  So it's his wife's fault?

• 9:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. Careful, good, good.

• 9:47Speaker 00

  You got divorced?

• 9:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:49Speaker 00

  Of course he's gonna end up in this trailer park.

• 9:51Speaker 02

  So, yeah, I'm, I'm curious to know way more of the details in this. I wanna know what website he was on. I wanna know what the, what the ad looked like. What is?

• 10:00Speaker 00

  Well, we don't really need to know the website.

• 10:01Speaker 02

  I would like to know what got Jed York, a billionaire, out of his probably mansion into a car at like 4:00 AM and driving to a trailer park, or, excuse me, next to a trailer park

• 10:14Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:15Speaker 02

  in East Palestine, Ohio. I know his family's from Youngstown, but still, like, if, from what I've read about, you know, this, it's not exactly, um, a thriving community right now. And for him to like be driving into that environment, super late at night, how, how hot was this ad?

• 10:33Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:33Speaker 02

  Or is there something else that he was going there to do?

• 10:35Speaker 03

  Or was he, yeah, was he, how was he, he got pulled over and he was sober? Like, that's shocking.

• 10:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:43Speaker 03

  That sounds like the drunkest move of all time.

• 10:45Speaker 02

  Also, this.

• 10:45Speaker 00

  No, I, that's why I think, I honestly think that he needs.

• 10:48Speaker 03

  Like, did he wake up? Was he just like, started his day at 3:00 AM, was like, let's go get, do a quick hook piece?

• 10:53Speaker 00

  I think he needs to, to, to hook piece. I think he needs to say the substation made him horny. I think the substation is at a point, like, in a mythological standpoint, that you could just say, like, we're creating X-Men with you, if you, if you live next to the substation. Like, I'm, I'm Doctor Horny. Like, I, I have to, I have to fuck at all times.

• 11:14Speaker 02

  Sexman.

• 11:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, the sexman.

• 11:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  I think if you're him, you have, well, number one, not to make this, uh, a little bit personal, but it was kind of a, there but for the grace of God, go I moment when I saw this. Not because I've ever been to a prostitute, but the image of the mugshot where it's just the, the biggest 5'8" behind him, where he's standing in front of the high chart. I know, but that's the thing.

• 11:37Speaker 00

  BFD, he's getting like 5'9".

• 11:39Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying. He's 5'9" if you look real close at it, but to the untrained eye, everybody looks at that and they're just like, whoa, 5'8".

• 11:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:46Speaker 02

  And so it's like, if that happened to me.

• 11:48Speaker 00

  It's tough when your eyes are at 5'4".

• 11:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's got, he's got low eyes.

• 11:53Speaker 00

  Very low eyes.

• 11:54Speaker 02

  Now, I did, I, I have nothing but respect for the Youngstown community. I wanna preface everything I'm about to say with that. We love Youngstown. Birthplace a great, it's been a very special place for part of my take over the years. Um, I did do some research into, uh, into his family, into Jed York's family and the history of the ownership there. I didn't realize that, uh, he was, his father was fined a million dollars by the NFL as he was an owner, and probably one of the greatest owners in terms of championships and winning culture of all time, the Bartolos. He was fined a million dollars because he failed to report somebody asking him for a bribe back in the day. So I guess there was a casino that was opening up in Louisiana, like a riverboat casino.

• 12:36Speaker 00

  So he just got, he got fined for not being a snitch?

• 12:39Speaker 02

  Not being a snitch. So the governor.

• 12:40Speaker 00

  Well, I guess.

• 12:41Speaker 02

  Asked him for a bribe and he didn't report that.

• 12:43Speaker 00

  I can see how that could be an issue.

• 12:45Speaker 02

  Why?

• 12:45Speaker 00

  Well, if you don't say that you got bribed, people could assume maybe you did get bribed.

• 12:51Speaker 02

  But he didn't get bribed. I'm saying like, he didn't report that the governor asked him for money.

• 12:57Speaker 00

  The governor asked him for?

• 12:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, the governor of Louisiana asked him for a bribe.

• 13:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, that would also be an issue, cuz it's almost like, I'm not gonna say anything, cuz now I know I could bribe him, I'm gonna wait later to bribe him.

• 13:09Speaker 02

  Also, if you don't report it and you don't pay the bribe, then I guess you could be like, hey, you better do me a favor.

• 13:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, right.

• 13:15Speaker 02

  Didn't turn you into that bribe.

• 13:16Speaker 00

  Like, I'm not gonna give you the money.

• 13:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:18Speaker 00

  But I'm not gonna say anything. So, yeah, they're.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  Double extortion.

• 13:20Speaker 00

  I could see how the, I didn't even know there were bribe laws like that, but I could see how that would make sense.

• 13:24Speaker 02

  In Louisiana, they have to cover all the offenses.

• 13:26Speaker 00

  He paid a bribe.

• 13:29Speaker 02

  Did he?

• 13:29Speaker 00

  Okay, now we're in Idiot Jazz territory, boys. Let's figure this out.

• 13:33Speaker 02

  Cuz I saw that the charge was for failing to report extortion.

• 13:36Speaker 00

  Uh, the bribe extortion in 1998, Eddie DeBart.

• 13:40Speaker 02

  Oh, he, he admitted to paying.

• 13:41Speaker 00

  Paying a $400,000 cash demand bribe to former Louisiana governor Edwin Edwards to secure a riverboat casino gaming license.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  The legal, the legal outcome, DeBartolo pleaded guilty to a felony charge of failing to report a bribe.

• 13:55Speaker 00

  Oh, he should've reported that he bribed him.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's like bribing, bribery's okay, you just have to admit it.

• 14:02Speaker 00

  You just gotta let everyone know, so we can get the tax, the taxes back.

• 14:05Speaker 02

  That's like our idea for starting a, a pyramid scheme, our Ponzi scheme, and just saying, hey, this is a Ponzi scheme that we're running.

• 14:11Speaker 00

  Like, hey, just so you know, there, there might be a couple of you that get some money back, but the majority, you're gonna get fucked.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  You better get in early.

• 14:18Speaker 00

  Like, roll the dice. Okay, so he bribed, he did the bribe, and yeah, his only crime was just not reporting it.

• 14:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's really, the only, the only problem we had is like, you didn't let us know so we could get a taste too.

• 14:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:31Speaker 02

  Okay, so, uh, decades later, oh, President Trump pardoned him.

• 14:35Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 14:36Speaker 02

  DeBartolo. Okay, so we can't even talk about that.

• 14:38Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah, it didn't happen.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:40Speaker 00

  Uh, all right, so wait, where, where were?

• 14:41Speaker 02

  Do you think he bribed to get that pardon?

• 14:44Speaker 00

  Probably.

• 14:44Speaker 02

  So then is Trump guilty of not reporting the bribe from DeBartolo?

• 14:48Speaker 00

  No, I think DeBartolo still has to report the bribe to Trump.

• 14:51Speaker 02

  But he, but if he bribed Trump.

• 14:53Speaker 00

  Right.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  Trump, then Trump's on the hook for not raising his hand and saying, hey, I'm gonna give this guy a pardon, but just so you guys know, he bribed me.

• 15:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't know if you have to admit that you were the, when you get bribed, you have to tell everyone when you bribe someone.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 15:08Speaker 00

  Cause he bribed Edwin Edwards and he didn't, he didn't let anyone know that he, he said that bribe.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  True.

• 15:15Speaker 03

  Do you think Kyle Shanahan's happier, like, this is, like, this is better for him or worse?

• 15:19Speaker 00

  I think Kyle Shanahan's still probably like, fuck, man, I really fucked up my car.

• 15:24Speaker 03

  But he's not like, the heat's, the heat's taken off me a little bit.

• 15:26Speaker 02

  You think Kyle Shanahan was just preparing for, uh, driving on the wrong side of the road in Australia?

• 15:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 15:32Speaker 02

  I actually don't know. They probably drive on the correct side down there.

• 15:34Speaker 00

  I would say Kyle Shanahan probably is, I don't think anyone, this is the crazy thing about the owner part of it. And, and maybe, like, to get serious for a second about this, I don't think anyone in that building cares what these owners do. I think the only, only people that, that care are the other owners and if they get embarrassed or not. That's all that matters.

• 15:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:55Speaker 00

  The other owners care because they're like, oh, that was embarrassing. If you are a 49ers player, coach, uh, you know, cafeteria worker, wherever, you're probably like, who the fuck cares? Like, yeah, we got a billionaire owner. You don't think he's doing some fucking weird shit?

• 16:11Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:11Speaker 00

  Of course he is. So, that would be my guess, is that the other owners are probably, they probably, their ears perked up and they're like, hey, is this gonna be embarrassing for us? Like, how many, how much more is gonna come out about this? And then they'll decide whether to do something or not.

• 16:24Speaker 02

  We're actually gonna get into it a little bit with Seth Wickersham.

• 16:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  Uh, but really, ultimately, all they care about, you can do whatever you want. You can be the worst guy in the world.

• 16:33Speaker 00

  Right.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  You can get caught in all kinds of scandals. They won't care because they know that they have skeletons in their past too. So, they're very, owners are very leery about voting out one of their own, because they know if, if we come for them.

• 16:46Speaker 00

  Right.

• 16:47Speaker 02

  Somebody can find something and come for you. The only thing that will change their mind is if they think that they stole as much as a dollar from you.

• 16:54Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 16:54Speaker 02

  So if they suspect the other owners, one other guy of like withholding money from the rest of the league, then they'll turn on that guy. That's the only thing that they, that they understand.

• 17:03Speaker 00

  So what would the advice you'd have for Jed York, Hank, as someone who's gone through this?

• 17:08Speaker 03

  Get the charges dropped.

• 17:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:11Speaker 02

  But they were.

• 17:12Speaker 00

  Did Bob Kraft get the charges dropped? Oh, he did? Oh, yeah. No, he already pled down.

• 17:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:16Speaker 00

  So he's step one, complete.

• 17:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, the, they like illegally surveyed Robert Kraft.

• 17:22Speaker 02

  What does that mean?

• 17:24Speaker 03

  The way that they got the information.

• 17:25Speaker 00

  You're talking about the guys with the spray paint and the standing on the sidewalks?

• 17:30Speaker 03

  A Florida, a Florida appeals court ruled that the hidden video cameras installed by police inside the massage rooms violated constitutional rights of Kraft and other customers.

• 17:38Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 17:38Speaker 02

  I kind of agree with that.

• 17:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's kind of weird.

• 17:40Speaker 00

  Like, you shouldn't be able to videotape someone getting jerked off.

• 17:43Speaker 03

  A sting operation, this might be like more cut and dry.

• 17:46Speaker 00

  Yeah. Alright, so, so, uh.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  It was definitely more dry.

• 17:51Speaker 00

  Well, it was gonna be wet.

• 17:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they never got to that part.

• 17:54Speaker 00

  Right, right. He was still in his car.

• 17:56Speaker 02

  And I don't know if he's circumcised, so I don't know. Cut or dry, who knows?

• 18:00Speaker 00

  So, good, good Jed York try to lay low, dude? I don't even know. Or just keep doing whatever you're doing.

• 18:07Speaker 03

  Well, maybe he does what his uncle did and he just gives ownership to his sister, keeps him in the family.

• 18:11Speaker 00

  He just needs to say entrapment. Wasn't the.

• 18:14Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying. Like, maybe the odd was, the ad was just so hot.

• 18:18Speaker 00

  What happened with the Giants owner? Is he still the owner?

• 18:22Speaker 00

  One of them stepped down? No, but one of them stepped down, right? Cause wasn't there a situation?

• 18:27Speaker 02

  Are you talking about the, uh, the illegally doctored merchandise when their equipment manager was throwing helmets down the stairs?

• 18:32Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no. I'm talking about, uh, a certain island, I believe.

• 18:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:37Speaker 00

  Did he, did he step by? He stepped, he stepped down, right?

• 18:40Speaker 02

  I think Tish might still be, he might still be in circles.

• 18:44Speaker 00

  Cause that's the other thing is you could do that as an order. You could be like, hey, I'm taking a step back and not take a step back, but everyone's like, alright, cool.

• 18:50Speaker 02

  He's taking a step back.

• 18:51Speaker 00

  Like, look at that guy, taking ownership.

• 18:53Speaker 02

  Well, no, he's actually like the reverse.

• 18:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:56Speaker 02

  He's not taking ownership anymore.

• 18:57Speaker 00

  No, yeah.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  He's taking a step back.

• 18:59Speaker 00

  No, but he's taking ownership to take a step back.

• 19:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:01Speaker 00

  And then now he can own again.

• 19:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, that's a, that's a good way to look at it. So, yeah, Tish, I believe is still around. So, yeah, the league's.

• 19:09Speaker 00

  He's not stepped down.

• 19:10Speaker 02

  Really, the league stance on owners taking part in human trafficking is murky at best.

• 19:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  Their policy is non-existent in the NFL.

• 19:19Speaker 00

  Imagine if the, yeah, if Jed York goes to jail, he's like, uh, here to four, as I, we look at the legal precedence of Tish versus the NFL.

• 19:28Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 19:28Speaker 00

  I don't have to do shit.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Somebody, somebody out there that interviews Roger Goodell on, uh, like semi-frequent, Peter King, come back just to ask him this question. What is your policy on owners and human trafficking?

• 19:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:40Speaker 02

  I would like a concrete answer on that.

• 19:42Speaker 00

  And, alright, wait.

• 19:43Speaker 02

  Cause right now Jerry Jones is looking at this and be like, well, if it ain't broke.

• 19:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. Oh, okay, here it is. This is what they did. This is what Jonathan Tish did. He, he transferred his, uh, ownership stake to the Giants, uh, to his children's trust.

• 19:58Speaker 02

  Oh, good.

• 19:59Speaker 00

  So they're not even his anymore.

• 20:00Speaker 02

  Good.

• 20:00Speaker 00

  Yeah. He has no access to it.

• 20:02Speaker 02

  Uh, one winner in this entire saga, I think, would be Brandon Iuk.

• 20:06Speaker 00

  How so?

• 20:07Speaker 02

  Well, because, because he's really pissed off at the ownership of the 49ers.

• 20:12Speaker 00

  I, does he, is he still though? Cause I feel like he doesn't even know that he was technically under contract with them.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  His former team.

• 20:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:18Speaker 02

  Uh, he posted on Instagram, the, a picture of the mug shot and just said, thought shit was sweet until you got arrested before me.

• 20:25Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 20:26Speaker 02

  Which is pretty funny. Yeah, yeah. So like credit to Brandon Iuk.

• 20:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  He's probably gonna go live from that trailer park. He's probably gonna just show up there and, and dougie in the middle of the street and be like, gotcha.

• 20:37Speaker 00

  Whip around. Also, no, I'm not gonna say. There's, there are definitely some people that I, when you said PFT, you'd like to see this website and like how in-depth it was, I, I, I actually now agree. I, I'd like to see this website too and maybe send it to some high level people that we'd maybe want to take a step down.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:56Speaker 00

  In certain sports situations.

• 20:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:59Speaker 00

  Be nice.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I would agree with that.

• 21:01Speaker 00

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• 21:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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• 22:35Speaker 00

  Okay, boys, what else we got going on? We have, uh, we have, we have jerseys, new jerseys, rivalry jerseys that have been released for the AFC South and the NFC North.

• 22:48Speaker 00

  I am so jerseysed out. I'm so jerseysed out, PFT. I, I, I can't, we, we've gotten to this point in the NBA. I think we've gotten to this point now in the NFL. I'm looking at it, the, the Bears jersey is just eh, okay, it's fine. You know what doesn't need a new jersey? The Bears playing the Packers. It doesn't need a new jersey. That does not, that, that rivalry does not need a new jersey.

• 23:14Speaker 02

  Agreed.

• 23:14Speaker 00

  They have jerseys that are iconic and, and, and have history. You do not have to rethink the wheel. I am just, I, it's not, it's not even that like I, I think these are so horrific. It's more just, I'm tired of new jerseys.

• 23:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you're gonna have a, a new jersey week, it should be like two teams that we think never play against each other.

• 23:36Speaker 00

  Right.

• 23:36Speaker 02

  It should be the Jaguars against the Seahawks.

• 23:38Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 23:39Speaker 02

  And then have, have a weird jersey. Rivalries don't need jerseys. Yeah, I mean, it's just the way of NFL trying to squeeze a little bit more money out of you.

• 23:46Speaker 00

  Right.

• 23:47Speaker 02

  And there's losers out there that will buy whatever new jersey that the NFL throws in their face. Not like me, who just spent a couple hundred dollars on the soccer NFL crossover collaboration jerseys that came out last week. I'm talking about somebody completely different for me.

• 24:02Speaker 00

  Your, your hands are tied on that.

• 24:03Speaker 02

  I had to get the Shield merch.

• 24:05Speaker 00

  If they show you, yeah, if they show you some type of weird thing that has some kind of allusion to football, you're like, I got it.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  I love football.

• 24:11Speaker 00

  Gotta have it. Uh, there, no, but there are people out there who like will, will sprint across a room to go see these new jerseys.

• 24:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:17Speaker 00

  And do anything they can.

• 24:19Speaker 02

  Shane.

• 24:20Speaker 00

  Shane.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  Shane is that guy.

• 24:21Speaker 00

  Shane's our jersey guy.

• 24:22Speaker 05

  I mean, you're being a little hyperbolic. It was, I was already going away.

• 24:28Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, wait. His mic's not on.

• 24:30Speaker 03

  It was a swift turn around this corner.

• 24:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was a, you were standing here. I said, oh, there's, oh, have you seen the new jerseys? I think I was saying it to Zach. You go, there are new jerseys out for the NFL? And you, there was like a cloud of dust, uh, tire tracks and a swift move to the, to, to the computer to see them as quickly as possible.

• 24:51Speaker 05

  I was already making my way over here, maybe a little faster, but I don't know. I love jerseys, man.

• 24:55Speaker 00

  You love the new ones?

• 24:56Speaker 05

  I love all jerseys. I love City Connects. I love Reverse Retros. I'm a visual guy.

• 25:00Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 25:00Speaker 05

  Like, I love the visuals of.

• 25:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 25:03Speaker 02

  That's, that's your job is to be a visual guy.

• 25:04Speaker 00

  Created that app?

• 25:05Speaker 05

  Right. Yeah.

• 25:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, right.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  Hank, what do you think about what Shane called you last episode? I was thinking about it more today.

• 25:14Speaker 00

  What'd he call him again?

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Pussy.

• 25:16Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. That was over the line.

• 25:18Speaker 03

  It was over the line. Uh, I'm talking to his supervisor when he gets back from his sex vacation. And, uh, we'll be dealing with this internally.

• 25:26Speaker 02

  That could be anyone.

• 25:27Speaker 00

  What, uh?

• 25:28Speaker 05

  I did apologize to Hank.

• 25:30Speaker 00

  That's a pussy.

• 25:31Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, well.

• 25:32Speaker 00

  No, no, you're being a pussy.

• 25:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, I understand.

• 25:34Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 25:35Speaker 05

  I, I shouldn't have been saying in the first place. It was like eating, it was like eating at me after I said it. Like that night, I was like, I really shouldn't have said that. I don't know why. I don't know why I said that, but.

• 25:45Speaker 00

  Shane, we are, e- everyone on this podcast is allowed to call anyone else on this podcast a pussy at any time. That's just legally allowed.

• 25:51Speaker 05

  It wasn't my place. It wasn't my place.

• 25:53Speaker 00

  No, it always is your place. Uh, alright, Shane, rank us, rank the new jerseys now that we found out that you're one of those freaks.

• 26:00Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 26:01Speaker 00

  That, uh, gets like super pumped.

• 26:03Speaker 05

  Number one, Houston. I love the Houston one. They have like, in this picture, you can't really see it, but.

• 26:08Speaker 00

  Oh, he's actually doing this.

• 26:09Speaker 05

  On the, oh. The rest I don't like. I don't.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  Alright, but rank him, rank him, rank him, rank him.

• 26:15Speaker 05

  I don't, I don't like the rest, but the Houston, the back is like tile, like the, the nameplates and stuff.

• 26:21Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 26:21Speaker 05

  Um, it'd be Houston, Jags, and then.

• 26:25Speaker 00

  Well, describe the Jags.

• 26:26Speaker 05

  The Jags is kind of like, it's kind of retro looking with a serif font on it with like, uh, black.

• 26:33Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 26:34Speaker 05

  Uh, I hate the Packers. The Bears, I feel like I've seen a million times.

• 26:39Speaker 00

  Yep. They're like, they're like, they're basically like the Virgin, Virginia Cavaliers jerseys. Yeah.

• 26:44Speaker 05

  The, uh, the, the Vikings look like, like early 2000s, like Ravens, it just.

• 26:49Speaker 00

  The Lions.

• 26:50Speaker 03

  That's fine. At least the Vikings jerseys look like Vikings.

• 26:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, the Lions turned into the Panthers.

• 26:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:55Speaker 00

  Did you see their helmet and their color scheme?

• 26:57Speaker 05

  I didn't. I didn't see the helmet.

• 26:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. That was the other thing that we learned about Shane is he, he doesn't, he can't really judge these by, uh, the pictures. He needs to see them on body, he said. I need to see them on.

• 27:07Speaker 05

  Well, you're missing the pants, you're missing the socks, you're missing the shoes.

• 27:10Speaker 00

  Alright, look up the Lions. Look up the Lions on body.

• 27:12Speaker 02

  Doesn't, doesn't the body matter? Like which body you're looking at?

• 27:16Speaker 05

  Like the Deion Dawkins situation?

• 27:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:18Speaker 05

  You're talking about?

• 27:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, if it's a big guy or if it's like a.

• 27:20Speaker 05

  Like these Houston ones are sick.

• 27:21Speaker 02

  Speedy wide receiver with a single-digit number?

• 27:24Speaker 00

  The Houston, they get. All right.

• 27:26Speaker 05

  Oh, those are Panthers.

• 27:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, the Panthers. The Lions turned into the Panthers. How stupid is that?

• 27:31Speaker 05

  That's, that's bad. That's bad. Uh, I, the worst one's the Colts. I hate the Colts. The Colts are really bad.

• 27:38Speaker 02

  The only thing that you can set your watch to when it comes to all these different jerseys that they come up with is the Jets ones will always look exactly the same.

• 27:45Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 27:46Speaker 02

  Thank you to the Jets.

• 27:47Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. What are the?

• 27:48Speaker 05

  These Colts ones are just the Bills ones.

• 27:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. I just, I, it was cool when Oregon was the only place that did it.

• 27:56Speaker 02

  Baylor a little bit.

• 27:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:58Speaker 00

  But it's become, and again, the NFL, like your, your branding is so strong. You're, you're, you're, you're, each team, especially the historic ones, like, don't mess with it. I don't, it's just whatever.

• 28:11Speaker 05

  Did they say how many times a year this is worn?

• 28:13Speaker 00

  I think, I think it's just Christmas Day for the Bears is all I've seen so far.

• 28:17Speaker 02

  It's like the rivalry week.

• 28:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:19Speaker 05

  So do you feel the same way about like City Connect jerseys and other sports?

• 28:22Speaker 00

  Yes. I, I think there's, I mean, there's some that are like, kind of nice. Um, no, but even the City Connects I thought weren't that great. In, in NBA and, uh, MLB.

• 28:36Speaker 05

  Yeah. Hit rate's not high, but some are really nice. Like the, the Washington Nationals, the, the cherry blossoms.

• 28:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:42Speaker 05

  Or the, the Fenway Red Sox.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  There are some cities that you can put, like Maryland, if they put the, the flag on anything, people are gonna buy it.

• 28:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, like.

• 28:51Speaker 02

  If they put cherry blossoms on anything DC related, I don't care. I will buy it.

• 28:54Speaker 00

  And, and there's the, to the Texans point, there is the Carolina sky blue, uh, cheat code. Like the Cubs have their, uh, you know, light blue uniforms. Those are awesome. I don't know if those are technically the City Connects, but, so there, those cheat codes, like that, that doesn't, that doesn't mean all these, these jerseys are good. It's just that teams figured out that if you do a sky blue, people are gonna be like, oh, that's sick.

• 29:20Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 29:21Speaker 00

  Cause it's the best color. See, I'm jerseysed out.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Something, I, I would like to see a plaid jersey at some point.

• 29:27Speaker 00

  I feel like there has been.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  Has there?

• 29:30Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  A plaid jersey would rock.

• 29:31Speaker 00

  Maybe I'm thinking of Twin Peaks.

• 29:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, you are. That is hot. Yeah. You're thinking, you're thinking of boobs.

• 29:37Speaker 00

  I am.

• 29:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:38Speaker 00

  I was saying, I Jed Yorked myself there. Hey, criminal, criminal tools right here in, in the old skull. You know what I'm saying, Zach? Just thinking about it.

• 29:46Speaker 02

  I do think that might have legs being like, I gotta go take a York.

• 29:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:50Speaker 02

  Like, oh, you hear about that guy? Yorked himself last night.

• 29:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. Or, or someone saying like, oh, man, that chick's hot. And it's like, bro, chill out. Uh, your tongue's sounding like a criminal tool right now.

• 30:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:01Speaker 00

  You gotta be careful.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Oh, actually, I'm, I'm, I just clown Antonio Brown myself. It's really like, I'm gonna go get some Jed.

• 30:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, okay. So Zach, what were you gonna say?

• 30:11Speaker 02

  There's no way anybody's first York is 4 a.m. at the trailer park.

• 30:15Speaker 00

  Oh, he's Yorked before.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  That can't be your first York. There's no way. I disagree strongly.

• 30:19Speaker 00

  You think so?

• 30:19Speaker 02

  A hundred percent with.

• 30:20Speaker 00

  That's a veteran York.

• 30:21Speaker 02

  I think that's a lot of people's first times. I think that it's very rarely a billionaire's first.

• 30:27Speaker 00

  I'm too much of a pussy. I would, I would probably, my first York would be like 2:30 on a Tuesday. Like, there's no way they're doing a sting right now.

• 30:34Speaker 02

  Everyone's at work. All the cops are at work right now.

• 30:37Speaker 00

  Like this can't possibly be me getting arrested. Yeah. I would, I wouldn't do it on a weekend, weeknight, like a late night.

• 30:44Speaker 02

  I would think.

• 30:45Speaker 00

  I know, but I would have to, I'd have to dip my toes in Yorking way, way before that. Yeah. Like a Monday at like, like 10 a.m.

• 30:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. You got the B squad going.

• 30:54Speaker 00

  The cops aren't even up yet. This is fine.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  No, I do, I do think that a, a lot of people's first times would probably be that type of environment.

• 31:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:02Speaker 02

  Not a billionaire NFL owner. I think their first times would probably be in an environment where like the line between, uh, just like employee and, uh, like, uh, working girl of the night is probably blurred, like in, in a, a very swanky hotel lobby bar.

• 31:18Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  Um, but yeah, this was a very, very horny guy.

• 31:21Speaker 00

  Yes. Very horny. All right. So, uh, we, we kind of brushed over, Deshaun Watson is the starting quarterback for the Browns.

• 31:27Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 31:27Speaker 00

  It is, um, I feel bad for Browns fans.

• 31:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:31Speaker 00

  It is, like, I know that Deshaun, I guess, could potentially be better than Shador Sanders, but I would just much rather just wash your hands, especially after his, his press conference. Like, just be like, dude, we're done with this. Like you, you suck.

• 31:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:46Speaker 00

  You don't wanna be here. You hate everything about it. Let's just stop this.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  I'd forgotten that maybe the craziest part in this situation, the fact that Deshaun is the starting quarterback of the Browns, is the fact that his owner publicly, like in an interview, said out loud, we took a big swing. It was a miss.

• 32:04Speaker 00

  No, it, didn't he also say, and now we're hoping to hit a double or something?

• 32:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, but he said.

• 32:08Speaker 00

  I think it like, like, basically being like, we're trying to make something out of this.

• 32:12Speaker 02

  The guy that he referred to as a swing and a miss, like publicly, the owner called you a swing and a miss. And now that guy is now the starting quarterback going into a season and you're trying to sell hope to your fan base.

• 32:24Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  Even though you called him a swing and a miss. Like, that sucks for Browns fans. It's, it, it, it's terrible that they have to go through this. He's not good. Uh, off the field, he's never a pilot. That's what we were saying the other day is like, other people have found redemption and, and like found communities in new cities as they try to like revive their careers. That embrace them and like, give them a second chance. You can't get a second chance if you still are denying that.

• 32:46Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 32:47Speaker 02

  Your first chance is over.

• 32:47Speaker 00

  A swing and a miss. Yeah. All right. So I have the exact quote. We took a big swing and a miss with Deshaun. We thought we had the quarterback. We didn't, and we gave up a lot of draft picks to get him. So we gotta dig ourselves out of that hole. It was an entire organization decision. It ends with D and I. So hold us accountable. I think it starts with D and I, right? It was an entire organization decision and it ends with D and I. I think you're supposed to say, D is his wife, by the way. D E E.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:13Speaker 00

  I feel like you're supposed to say it starts with me.

• 33:15Speaker 02

  I think it's, ends with D and me.

• 33:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, but also, but also you should start.

• 33:21Speaker 02

  It starts and ends, I think is what you would ideally.

• 33:24Speaker 00

  I think the buck stops here, but it starts with me.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  I think you say it starts, the decision starts and it ends with D and I. Also, what a, what a, what a shot for him to take at his wife.

• 33:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:35Speaker 02

  Like, nobody was blaming her at all for this.

• 33:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  He's like, I, I know that there's a lot of people upset with D. I wanna say that.

• 33:41Speaker 00

  It's both of us.

• 33:42Speaker 02

  This is Sean Watson. Like she, she brought it to me and we discussed and I approved.

• 33:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  And so, yes, we both share equally in this decision.

• 33:50Speaker 00

  Right.

• 33:50Speaker 02

  She, I, God, she was just like totally escaped. Nobody was thinking.

• 33:53Speaker 00

  Her wins are my wins. My losses are her losses. D, you screwed this one up, but I'll sit here with you.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  But we both did, you know?

• 34:00Speaker 00

  Uh, he, he waits. So he went on to say, it would be great if we could get the quarterback, but we're not going to force it. We're gonna be patient and we're gonna try to accumulate as many really good football players as we can. So he is, he is so over this.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. He never even said like, Deshaun might be the, like, Deshaun was a swing and a miss.

• 34:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  We screwed up the quarterback position. By the way, would you mind continuing, continuing to work for us?

• 34:24Speaker 00

  Like, it's so stupid. It's, and again, it's just, it's, Deshaun Watson is not good at playing quarterback anymore.

• 34:30Speaker 02

  This was a crazy stat. I saw this from Doug Clausen. It's been 2059 days since Deshaun Watson's last 300 yard passing game. January 3rd, 2021.

• 34:42Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 34:44Speaker 02

  Tom Brady has 14 300 yard passing games since Deshaun Watson's last, and he's been retired for the last three seasons.

• 34:50Speaker 00

  Yep. And there's also names on that list, cause I have the list as well. Sam Howell.

• 34:56Speaker 02

  Great quarterback.

• 34:57Speaker 00

  Great quarterback. Zach Wilson, Josh Dobbs, PJ Walker, Drew Locke, Cooper Rush.

• 35:04Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 35:05Speaker 00

  Aiden O'Connell, Taylor Heinecke, all these guys, Ben Roethlisberger, all these guys have had a 300 yard passing game.

• 35:12Speaker 02

  Shador.

• 35:13Speaker 00

  Shador.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  Drake May.

• 35:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:17Speaker 02

  Even Drake May had one.

• 35:18Speaker 00

  Even Drake May. You know what's crazy too? And, and listen, I know that the Browns, like, I don't know, there's a world where you're like, well, let's see what we have with them. Joe Flacco took you guys to the playoffs.

• 35:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:31Speaker 00

  He's still playing. I know he's not the long-term answer, but it just sucks for their, their, the defensive side of the ball. They're just like, yeah, we're gonna go with Shador. I mean, uh, Deshaun, how long do you think until Shador plays?

• 35:43Speaker 02

  Like, how, how long?

• 35:44Speaker 00

  How long does Deshaun have? He's, he.

• 35:46Speaker 02

  I, I'd say no more than like five or six games.

• 35:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was about to, I was gonna say like a month, a month and a half feels right.

• 35:52Speaker 02

  Like if you get a guy and I'll bring up Baker, he used to be in the building. He's a guy that would, uh, if he gets banged up, he doesn't give a fuck. He's gonna keep playing football. I think the first hint of getting injured, and they are real injuries in the NFL. Like it's, you get hit a lot.

• 36:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:07Speaker 02

  It hurts like shit. Uh, but the first sign of like pain of an injury, Deshaun Watson's gonna be like, yeah, fuck that.

• 36:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:12Speaker 02

  Um, he's got guaranteed money. He doesn't really feel like playing for that franchise anymore. Um, so he'll, he'll take himself out. And then the crazy thing is like, okay, it's actually, it's the perfect crime for the Browns because they are clearly trying to lose games.

• 36:27Speaker 00

  Right.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  It would appear.

• 36:28Speaker 00

  Well, I don't know. Cause it's also a new coach. I, I don't know if they're trying to lose games. I think they're just so fucked with the fact that they signed Deshaun Watson. He's terrible at quarterback.

• 36:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I guess they've got, they've got Deshaun. If they wanna roll him out there, they'll probably lose some games.

• 36:45Speaker 00

  I'm, I'm.

• 36:46Speaker 02

  But it's, what I'm saying is a perfect crime. Like any other franchise that was putting Deshaun out there for week one as their starter, everybody would be like, they're tanking the season.

• 36:55Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  The fact that they also have Shador who has not played well.

• 36:59Speaker 00

  Right.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  Then a reasonable person could look at that and say like, I'm actually not sure which one's better.

• 37:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  But, but you could look at, at Shador and say, he's much, much younger and you don't know what you have. Do you know how old Deshaun is? I was shocked to, to read this.

• 37:13Speaker 00

  28.

• 37:14Speaker 02

  No, he's, no, he's 30.

• 37:15Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  But I, I thought he was 34.

• 37:17Speaker 00

  Sorry, fuck that up.

• 37:18Speaker 02

  You did. It's okay.

• 37:19Speaker 00

  Um, I, I, I actually thought he was under 30, but yeah, no, you're like, they, it's just, it, it's cra- I, I feel bad for Browns fans. It's just, they did not ask for this. And, uh, I, I also, in a weird way, and this is gonna sound stupid, cause Sean Watson's not good at quarterback. Uh, and he hasn't shown it for, for many years. It's like you were saying, where it's like, hey, maybe he could have a good, you do look back and see what he was and you're like, hey, just find that guy for a minute. It's the gambler in me. It's the gambler in all of us where it's like, what if we, what if we just win all of our bets? What if Deshaun is just good again? So I think they're probably going with a little of that.

• 37:59Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 38:00Speaker 00

  And then they're gonna pull, they're gonna pull him as soon as that's proven to be stupid. Uh, I have a question for you, Hank and Zach. Uh, tell me how you think these quarterback situations are. I'm gonna give you some teams, okay? You ready?

• 38:14Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 38:15Speaker 00

  Uh, the Rams.

• 38:17Speaker 02

  Great.

• 38:18Speaker 00

  The Chargers.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 38:21Speaker 00

  Oh, just okay. All right. Cowboys.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  Good.

• 38:25Speaker 00

  Bills.

• 38:26Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 38:27Speaker 00

  Okay, that's great. Uh, Browns.

• 38:29Speaker 02

  Great.

• 38:30Speaker 00

  Okay, well, this is stupid. This experiment was just these are the top.

• 38:34Speaker 02

  Do it to me. Do it to me.

• 38:35Speaker 00

  Rams.

• 38:36Speaker 02

  Really good team.

• 38:37Speaker 00

  Chargers.

• 38:38Speaker 04

  It's just a quarterback situation.

• 38:39Speaker 00

  Quarterbacks.

• 38:40Speaker 02

  A quarterback situation. Um, Chargers, I, we'll see.

• 38:43Speaker 00

  Okay. Cowboys.

• 38:45Speaker 02

  Uh, about sixteen out of thirty-two.

• 38:48Speaker 00

  Bills.

• 38:48Speaker 02

  Great.

• 38:49Speaker 00

  Browns.

• 38:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:51Speaker 00

  Dog shit.

• 38:51Speaker 02

  Terrible.

• 38:52Speaker 00

  Those are the top five most expensive quarterback rooms in the NFL.

• 38:56Speaker 02

  Wow. The Browns' room is so expensive.

• 39:00Speaker 00

  You have, for the Rams, Chargers, Cowboys, Bills, I would say all four of those teams are very, very confident in their starting quarterback. And then the Browns are the fifth most expensive team at forty-four and a half million dollars. And they have two second year guys in that room.

• 39:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:16Speaker 00

  That's the craziest, but they weren't first round draft picks.

• 39:19Speaker 02

  Uh, I would say they got, they got three. They got, well, one rookie.

• 39:23Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right.

• 39:25Speaker 02

  I would like to see, that guy's dyna, he's dynamic.

• 39:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:27Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, it's a tough break for the, for the Browns and Browns fans. They're still gonna go to games and they're gonna, they're gonna boo because they were told not to boo.

• 39:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:36Speaker 02

  Um, we talked about, uh, this with Chris a little bit. It really, it really worked out quite well for the rest of the NFL owners. To have this contract to the Sean going from being, uh, the, the worst contract that they've ever seen. Maybe the future of the NFL is given guaranteed money for free agents or for big name trades. To being like the best cautionary tale ever to why you should never give out guaranteed money.

• 40:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:01Speaker 02

  To a quarterback on a trade. Um, I was thinking about what we're gonna be looking at at the end of the year. If the tank does pay off for the Browns.

• 40:08Speaker 00

  Yup.

• 40:09Speaker 02

  There is a world where it would be Browns' first overall, overall pick. And the presumable number one overall pick would be Arch Manning.

• 40:18Speaker 00

  I think, by the way, the Browns are not gonna be the worst team, but yes.

• 40:21Speaker 02

  I, I agree, actually. I'm gonna bet their win total, which I think is five and a half. They've got a very easy schedule.

• 40:26Speaker 00

  Yup.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  And their defense is good, but you could see, it's a possibility. The Browns could be the worst team in the NFL as well.

• 40:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:32Speaker 02

  So, if that happens, Arch Manning presumed first overall pick, do you think that the family would let Arch go to Cleveland?

• 40:40Speaker 00

  Absolutely not.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  I thought that too.

• 40:43Speaker 00

  Oh, but Haslem.

• 40:45Speaker 02

  But then I remember Haslem is the number one booster for the Tennessee Volunteers. Peyton Manning, obviously, deep connections there. They, they, I'm imagining they probably have a good relationship with each other, like a very good relationship. Um, that might supersede seeing all those names on the back of that jersey.

• 41:01Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah, no, you, you, you're right. There, that would be the one twist where it's like.

• 41:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:07Speaker 00

  But again, it's not, it's not Peyton's son, so Arch is an Ole Miss guy.

• 41:14Speaker 02

  True.

• 41:14Speaker 00

  And a Texas guy, not a, I don't know.

• 41:17Speaker 02

  This is just, yeah, this is us using our, this dude's using our imaginations.

• 41:21Speaker 00

  We're just using our.

• 41:21Speaker 02

  Fan fiction.

• 41:22Speaker 00

  Not New York way.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, uh, speaking of New York memes, do you think that the Mannings would allow, uh, uh, Arch to go to the Jets?

• 41:31Speaker 04

  Probably.

• 41:32Speaker 00

  Oh, so not in a Jed York way. We're using our imagination for good, not evil.

• 41:36Speaker 04

  We have good offensive line, good receivers. Why wouldn't you wanna put your young quarterback in a good situation like that?

• 41:41Speaker 00

  Memes, how would you say this is going without Max here?

• 41:45Speaker 04

  I think, well.

• 41:45Speaker 00

  Okay, good. Cause there were people saying you're a Max Merchant.

• 41:48Speaker 04

  You're the only one who's been saying that, but I, I think it's been going well.

• 41:52Speaker 00

  Literally when we start and it's like, the first three seconds when I can't see something on the screen, I'm like, oh, memes, Max Merchant.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  I heard Colton say it too.

• 42:00Speaker 00

  No, I think, I think we're actually getting to the point where Max might be Wally Pitt. By Shane.

• 42:08Speaker 04

  I actually agree with that. Shane, Shane was electric.

• 42:11Speaker 00

  Shane was electric. He called, Max would never call Hank a pussy.

• 42:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, one thing about Max, he would never. Alright, let's do a hot seat, cool throne. Then we have Mount Rushmore, then two great interviews. Uh, before we get to hot seat, cool throne. Mountain Dew. Nothing goes better with hanging with your friends, talking about football, talking about jerseys, sitting around, just hanging out. We were playing cards last night. Uh, playing a little euchre. Nothing goes better than hanging out with your friends than having a refreshing citrus kick of Mountain Dew. We're here at Camp Barstool. Thank you to Mountain Dew for sponsoring Camp Barstool. We love coming here. And, uh, we're doing it all. We're kayaking, we're canoeing, we're fishing, we're swimming. And it all goes well with Mountain Dew. We're gonna play some softball today.

• 43:02Speaker 00

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• 43:23Speaker 03

  My hot seat is, uh,

• 43:27Speaker 03

  I, I don't know if it's, I guess players that wanna go back to college.

• 43:30Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 43:30Speaker 03

  Even though they can still do it. The SEC released a statement condemning the actions, but they're not doing anything about it.

• 43:39Speaker 02

  I love that.

• 43:40Speaker 00

  What about the Big Ten? Lead from the front.

• 43:42Speaker 03

  The Big Ten's banning it.

• 43:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're banning it. But we're actually doing something about it.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  Have you condemned it?

• 43:48Speaker 00

  Well, I disavow, I condemn.

• 43:50Speaker 02

  Because the SEC, they, they led the way in condemning it.

• 43:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, I would like to say I disavow and condemn.

• 43:55Speaker 03

  But aren't, they're completely allowing it.

• 43:57Speaker 02

  But you're missing, you're missing, they strongly condemned it.

• 44:01Speaker 00

  Uh, it is sad to me that the SEC doesn't go all the way to banning it because they know they probably are gonna need this to compete with the Big Ten. So, if we're being honest, they need anything they can get at this point.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  But they condemned it.

• 44:13Speaker 00

  They condemned it. We.

• 44:14Speaker 02

  You're losing sight of that. Yeah, they said, this is terrible. It's a terrible thing that's happening. Somebody should do something about this.

• 44:20Speaker 00

  If you're, if you're one of the smaller conferences, you should just be like, we, we're, we're Ellis Island for these guys. We will, we will accept you. Give us your, give us your washed out training camp, uh, you know, eighty-fifth man roster guys.

• 44:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:36Speaker 00

  We'll take them.

• 44:37Speaker 02

  You get Tish involved in an island and he might be able to set that up. I, I think if, uh, it doesn't work out in North Carolina, thirty-third team would be nice to have in the NFL. Maybe you get all those guys, actually would work perfectly in North Carolina. Everyone that doesn't make a, uh, an actual roster in the NFL, come to UNC.

• 44:57Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:58Speaker 02

  That's been the dream of Lombardi.

• 44:59Speaker 00

  Yeah. True.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  Make it happen.

• 45:01Speaker 00

  True. Alright.

• 45:03Speaker 03

  Uh, then my other hot seat was, was Good Good Callaway.

• 45:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:06Speaker 03

  The stories, feels like it's kinda broken containment from just like social media.

• 45:11Speaker 00

  Wait, so did it go further?

• 45:13Speaker 03

  New York Times wrote an article.

• 45:14Speaker 00

  Oh, no.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  And then at three o'clock in the morning, the Callaway CEO released a statement, which like if you were.

• 45:21Speaker 00

  Wait, that's York time.

• 45:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's, he was on Demon Time.

• 45:25Speaker 03

  This guy's, the CEO's name is Chip Brewer, which I just thought was a funny.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  Yo, don't say that second name.

• 45:31Speaker 03

  It's a funny name for, it's, it's.

• 45:33Speaker 02

  We can't say B R E W.

• 45:33Speaker 03

  It's a funny name for, uh, for a golf, you know, golf brand CEO.

• 45:37Speaker 00

  And it's, no, there's no way that's his real name.

• 45:40Speaker 03

  Chip Brewer.

• 45:40Speaker 00

  Oliver. Oliver Brewer.

• 45:43Speaker 02

  Oliver Brewer.

• 45:44Speaker 00

  Oliver Brewer.

• 45:45Speaker 02

  That's the most, you, it's impossible to say that name and sound sober.

• 45:49Speaker 03

  But he was.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  Mom, I wasn't drinking. I was just over at Oliver Brewer's house.

• 45:53Speaker 00

  Oliver Brewer the third.

• 45:54Speaker 03

  He said, a long saving mistakes were made. We're taking the matter very seriously. The part that I found funny was, uh, he said, you know, they, they, once they realized how bad the video was, they removed it. We are also conducting both internal and external investigations and have already made changes to our approval processes aimed at ensuring this will never happen again.

• 46:14Speaker 00

  What does that mean? Just having someone with a brain?

• 46:16Speaker 03

  Like, what is the internal, what does the external investigation look like? Like, they're looking outside the, like, the organization to see who was his influence from the outside?

• 46:25Speaker 02

  No, it sounds like they're, they're like hiring a law firm to do, uh, to do an investigation.

• 46:29Speaker 03

  To just check some emails of someone like not really like, oh, looks good, guys.

• 46:33Speaker 02

  The, the craziest.

• 46:34Speaker 00

  I think they're just walking around their office and like handing him a, a, a photo and it's like a man and a woman and like, would you attack either of these people? And if so, which one?

• 46:43Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:44Speaker 00

  And every guy that says, just the guy, they're like, alright, you got a brain. You got this.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  The, the statement from Callaway, what's his name?

• 46:50Speaker 03

  Chip.

• 46:51Speaker 00

  Chip Oliver, Oliver G Brewer the third.

• 46:53Speaker 02

  Chip Brewer. Oliver Brewer, uh, the all-black app that he put out.

• 46:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:59Speaker 02

  Like, it was a screenshot of, uh, all-black background. You know, he means business.

• 47:03Speaker 00

  It's serious. Someone died or Good Good made a bad ad.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, it was a stupid commercial that came out.

• 47:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:09Speaker 02

  This is the easiest, like, there are some bad things that companies have put out. There's some bad ads that have come out that you think like, that's really like fucking stupid that they put that out there. And it, it, they should be shamed for that ad. This was just a joke that was not funny.

• 47:24Speaker 00

  Right.

• 47:24Speaker 02

  The, because you could have asked them, like, explain what the joke was supposed to be. It's like, well, the joke I think is supposed to be that Garrett is so protective of his driver that he would do something stupid and, and act like an asshole, like push a woman over for trying to take it.

• 47:38Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:39Speaker 02

  It's not like, yeah, I don't. The New York Times should not be involved in this.

• 47:43Speaker 00

  No, it's if we did the sliding scales of ads where it's, remember the, what was the orange vanilla Coke? That was, that was annoying, annoying, annoying commercial.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  Dr. Pepper for men.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  Dr. Pepper 10, it's not for women.

• 47:57Speaker 00

  The other spectrum, the other, the other side of the spectrum would be.

• 48:00Speaker 02

  That was literally their tagline was it's not for women.

• 48:02Speaker 00

  The other side of the spectrum would be SpaghettiOs nine 11 tribute.

• 48:07Speaker 02

  Right, which is great.

• 48:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, we're somewhere in the middle that we don't need to even like.

• 48:11Speaker 03

  I forgot about that one.

• 48:12Speaker 00

  Doesn't need to be like day six.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  What about Florida State honoring Martin Luther King?

• 48:16Speaker 00

  That was nice. That actually was classy.

• 48:18Speaker 02

  When they photoshopped the receiver.

• 48:19Speaker 00

  That was classy.

• 48:20Speaker 02

  And he was doing the chop.

• 48:21Speaker 00

  I'd like to buy those.

• 48:25Speaker 00

  Or the, or the, um, I think it was a Marriott or Sheridan that did a nine 11 uh, free breakfast from the hours of when the first tower got hit to the second tower got hit.

• 48:37Speaker 02

  That's touching.

• 48:37Speaker 00

  That one was really nice.

• 48:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's really not that big of a.

• 48:40Speaker 00

  It's nowhere near those.

• 48:41Speaker 02

  No, it's not. It, I'll tell you this, Taylor Made would never.

• 48:44Speaker 03

  No.

• 48:45Speaker 00

  No.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  We are, they, they should actually market, we're happy to be the face of Taylor Made's next ad campaign, which is just being respectful to women, like giving drivers to women.

• 48:54Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 48:55Speaker 02

  How about that?

• 48:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. Giving drivers to women and Tiger.

• 48:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, excuse me, miss. Yeah, you look like you could use a driver.

• 49:01Speaker 00

  Here you go. That would actually be a funny ad.

• 49:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:04Speaker 00

  Just handing out drivers and then Tiger walks in and you're like, hey buddy, I got you.

• 49:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, you too.

• 49:09Speaker 00

  Um, okay, good, good hot seat.

• 49:11Speaker 03

  I was just, I was just, I was just on the phone with all of the.

• 49:15Speaker 00

  You got a cool throne?

• 49:17Speaker 03

  Uh, my cool throne is the pods.

• 49:19Speaker 00

  The Padres?

• 49:20Speaker 03

  The pods, yeah.

• 49:22Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 49:22Speaker 03

  They got a new owner, Kwanzaa Jones.

• 49:25Speaker 00

  I saw this.

• 49:25Speaker 03

  See the press conference?

• 49:26Speaker 00

  I saw, she was pretty amped up.

• 49:28Speaker 02

  Two second clip of it, yeah.

• 49:36Speaker 03

  I mean, that's what you want. You get it. You get a new team. You get a new ownership like that. Maybe like the once, you know, Jed York gets ousted from the 49ers like the new owner comes in.

• 49:44Speaker 00

  Are you calling for that?

• 49:46Speaker 03

  I said, maybe.

• 49:47Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  If, yeah, in the spirit of consistency, he is.

• 49:50Speaker 00

  He's calling for it.

• 49:51Speaker 03

  Um, but that's exciting. If you're a pod, if you're a pod head.

• 49:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:55Speaker 03

  Pod, Pods Nation.

• 49:56Speaker 02

  I mean, I, they're.

• 49:57Speaker 00

  Where'd she come from?

• 49:59Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 49:59Speaker 00

  Like, what, like, what is she just, did she just buy it?

• 50:02Speaker 02

  No, I think.

• 50:03Speaker 00

  I don't mean literally, I mean literally what.

• 50:05Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, I think her and her husband bought it.

• 50:07Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  I don't know anything about it.

• 50:08Speaker 00

  Oh, she's a singer songwriter investor.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 50:12Speaker 03

  But her and her husband share a net worth of 3.9 to 5.5 billion.

• 50:17Speaker 02

  When I say that, when somebody says that they're a singer songwriter investor and they own a sports team, what they're really saying is they're an investor.

• 50:24Speaker 00

  Yeah. I didn't know that the Padres, I didn't know the Padres got bought. That's what I'm saying. Like, when did that happen?

• 50:30Speaker 03

  August 2026.

• 50:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, remember, because their former owner was sick and that's why he went all in and did the Soto trade.

• 50:37Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  And that's why the Nats got.

• 50:39Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 50:39Speaker 02

  The best farm system in baseball.

• 50:41Speaker 00

  Got it. Got it. All right. Good, cool throne.

• 50:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, pods.

• 50:45Speaker 00

  Pods. All right, PFT, hot seat, cool throne?

• 50:48Speaker 02

  Um, my hot seat is LeBron James.

• 50:52Speaker 00

  LeBron James.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  And I'm sad that, that, uh, Max isn't here right now to have this discussion, but in the Lakers and Dodgers news that we've been following for the last couple of days, uh, there's a news story that came out just a couple of minutes ago. And that LeBron James, when he was signing with the Los Angeles Lakers, remember he signed 154 million dollar contract with the Lakers? Uh, that actually was only half as big as the deal that he had just signed with a Midwest life insurance company for 300 million dollar loan.

• 51:26Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 51:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so that loan that he signed with, uh, was, there were companies that were advised by a branch of Guggenheim Investments, which is what the owner of the Lakers and the Dodgers, that's his company.

• 51:44Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 51:45Speaker 02

  So I'm putting up the Pablo Torre bat signal right now.

• 51:49Speaker 00

  Why was LeBron needing immediate cash?

• 51:51Speaker 02

  I mean, it'd still be nice to have 300 million dollars if maybe.

• 51:54Speaker 00

  I, I agree, but like.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  Maybe if you're making.

• 51:56Speaker 00

  LeBron need cash for?

• 51:57Speaker 02

  Maybe if you're making a movie, if you're, if your production company is making a.

• 52:01Speaker 00

  Or is he trying to buy a team?

• 52:02Speaker 02

  A big budget movie, but this was in 2018.

• 52:07Speaker 00

  Huh. So is he gonna be not, he's not gonna be eligible to play this year?

• 52:11Speaker 02

  LeBron?

• 52:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  Oh no, he's fully eligible.

• 52:13Speaker 00

  No, I'm just hoping that's the case.

• 52:15Speaker 02

  Fully eligible, right. As of now, but the, the NBA has not issued a statement yet.

• 52:21Speaker 02

  I think it's interesting.

• 52:22Speaker 00

  Hey, did you see LeBron's being investigated?

• 52:25Speaker 06

  Nope.

• 52:26Speaker 00

  Okay, well, you should probably take a, a quick break from the sex vacation and look into this investigation.

• 52:32Speaker 06

  This is fake.

• 52:33Speaker 02

  No, eh, Max.

• 52:34Speaker 00

  No, PFT actually just said it, so.

• 52:36Speaker 02

  Max, months before he signed with the Lakers.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I would say I'm number one, probably.

• 52:42Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  Uh, you know what? We can't trust Max. Max is compromised. You're too. No, I'm not compromised.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  How am I compromised?

• 52:51Speaker 06

  Any LeBron news coming from you guys is obviously fake. You, you, you sent me the James article. That was actually.

• 52:58Speaker 00

  That was about your own bead.

• 52:59Speaker 06

  All Sixers news is from you guys compromised.

• 53:02Speaker 00

  Uh, Max, follow up question, uh, when you got stung by a jellyfish, did you have to piss on yourself?

• 53:08Speaker 06

  Uh, no, it was like, I actually should send you a picture of the, the damage. It was the biggest nothing thing of all time.

• 53:15Speaker 00

  Oh. But did you piss on yourself just for fun?

• 53:19Speaker 06

  I have, I, I actually have gotten a sea urchin. It's not really a sting. I've stepped on a sea urchin. I've had to piss.

• 53:25Speaker 03

  I wanted Shane to call Max a pussy.

• 53:28Speaker 00

  Okay. Okay.

• 53:29Speaker 06

  Piss myself, piss on myself.

• 53:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:31Speaker 03

  Max, Shane has something to say to you.

• 53:32Speaker 00

  Max, Shane has something to say to you. Shane, say it.

• 53:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, bolt up.

• 53:37Speaker 00

  No, no, say it Shane.

• 53:38Speaker 03

  Bolt up pussy.

• 53:39Speaker 00

  Oh, he called you a pussy.

• 53:43Speaker 06

  Sorry.

• 53:44Speaker 00

  He called you a pussy.

• 53:45Speaker 06

  I know, I heard. That's tough, that's tough to come back from.

• 53:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, are you gonna, are you gonna, he, he called Hank a pussy, uh, on Monday's show and then apologize for calling her pussy, which is the most pussy thing to do.

• 53:58Speaker 06

  That's, that's Shane though.

• 53:59Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right, we miss you. Uh, look at his LeBron investigation. It's actually a real thing. We're not fucking with you.

• 54:04Speaker 06

  Look into it.

• 54:04Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  Max, Max, you got 300 million dollars in a guaranteed loan.

• 54:09Speaker 00

  In a guaranteed loan.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  And that was approved by companies that were associated with Walters Guggenheim.

• 54:14Speaker 00

  Guggenheim Walters. Look into it. All right, bye.

• 54:18Speaker 02

  All right. So yeah, LeBron might not play next year.

• 54:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's what I got away from it.

• 54:21Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 54:21Speaker 00

  Yeah. I listened to a full podcast about, uh, Mark Walter.

• 54:26Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:27Speaker 00

  That guy, he's, he's, he's in too deep.

• 54:30Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, he was taking like people's, people were paying him money every month for life insurance. Then he was loaning that money he was getting.

• 54:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:37Speaker 02

  To the Dodgers ticket department.

• 54:40Speaker 00

  He was writing IOUs to himself.

• 54:42Speaker 02

  And not marking it as being in, he, he was saying it was an unaffiliated loan when it was to his other company.

• 54:47Speaker 00

  Crazy, crazy.

• 54:48Speaker 02

  Bad guy. And if he's giving that money to LeBron, I think we gotta at least do a full investigation into that.

• 54:53Speaker 00

  Agreed, agreed. All right.

• 54:54Speaker 02

  Also, he might be racist, LeBron.

• 54:56Speaker 00

  True.

• 54:57Speaker 02

  So look into that.

• 54:58Speaker 00

  What'd he do?

• 54:58Speaker 02

  Well, no, that's what President Trump said.

• 55:00Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:00Speaker 02

  He might be, he doesn't like Donald Trump.

• 55:02Speaker 00

  He doesn't know? He doesn't know yet? We're looking into it?

• 55:05Speaker 02

  He said, he said he might be, I stand with Mr. Trump.

• 55:08Speaker 00

  Uh, all right, what, what's your cool throne?

• 55:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, you, it sounds like you got TDS, big cat.

• 55:11Speaker 00

  Well, I didn't know he said that.

• 55:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, he did. It was very, it was very funny. I missed. I think it was on the day that LeBron signed with Sixers.

• 55:17Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 55:19Speaker 02

  Excuse me. My cool throne is the army.

• 55:22Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 55:23Speaker 02

  Army's on the cool throne. Um, what was that? What's that Hank? You doing horns up?

• 55:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, rock and roll.

• 55:29Speaker 02

  For the army?

• 55:29Speaker 00

  Rock and roll for the army.

• 55:30Speaker 02

  Love that. Uh, so there's a new incentive that the United States Army has put into place for one, uh, unit based out of Georgia. When it comes to reenlistment, uh, they're trying to get people to reenlist for a minimum two years at a time, uh, up to six years at a time, but minimum two years. And if they're struggling to meet those quotas, they have a new incentive for those soldiers. The incentive is that they will give you four days off from the army to play the new Grand Theft Auto when it comes out.

• 56:01Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  You get four days with GTA and then time's up, sorry, you gotta go back to war. But those four days are pretty fucking sweet.

• 56:10Speaker 00

  That is sweet.

• 56:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:11Speaker 03

  Solid incentive for sure. You don't have to swap the snacks out though during those four days. No MREs. You'd have to like, you'd have to bring in the good stuff.

• 56:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I think that they should give you like a furnished apartment with a comfortable chair, a nice couch.

• 56:25Speaker 03

  Ethernet.

• 56:25Speaker 02

  Big ass TV, lightning fast ethernet, sick lighting setup and, you know, all, all the delivery food that you want.

• 56:33Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 56:34Speaker 02

  But you get to, yeah, you get to play GTA for four days and then you gotta two more years of bat, you gotta go back to war for two years.

• 56:40Speaker 03

  Thoughts on if you beat the game? Don't have to fully enlist.

• 56:44Speaker 02

  I like that.

• 56:45Speaker 03

  Like a speed run. Like, hey, if I can get to the end, I don't actually have to.

• 56:47Speaker 00

  Would we want them to enlist? Like, those guys are badasses.

• 56:51Speaker 03

  Actually, fair.

• 56:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, you got, you get promoted to, you're on the drone missions now. Like, you don't, okay, you don't have to actually be in the theater. But we're gonna just, like, install a new copy of a game onto your computer. We're not gonna tell you that it's a game. Or we're gonna tell you it's a game. We're not gonna tell you it's real life. And just try to get the high score on this one, too. I know it looks like it's the Ukrainian plane. Don't worry about that. It's not. It's a video game. Carry on. Uh, but yeah, this is a, uh, it's a, it's a great incentive that they have. And probably the worst Sunday scaries that you could ever have. On like, day four.

• 57:28Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 57:29Speaker 02

  Day three, day four of playing GTA, and it's been awesome. And then you're like, oh shit. I gotta, I got, I got two, two more years.

• 57:37Speaker 00

  Training, yeah.

• 57:37Speaker 02

  Alright, see you guys. Gotta go back.

• 57:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's facts. Um, alright, my hot seat is, uh, anyone who had a good run, because it's always sad when a good run ends. I think we can all agree, right?

• 57:48Speaker 03

  Burgers.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  Max won't know.

• 57:50Speaker 00

  No, we, we, put on, make sure Hank's mic's on. He said burgers. And then he, he said Max won't know. Um, no, anyone who's. Oh, your mic's on? Alright, I couldn't really hear it. Anyone who said it's, it was a good run, right?

• 58:06Speaker 00

  Like, that, that to me would be like, hey, that was a good, like, hot, hot seat, it's over.

• 58:10Speaker 03

  No, it was a good season.

• 58:12Speaker 00

  Wait, who are we talking about?

• 58:13Speaker 03

  Bracing DeShambo, again.

• 58:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, Bracing DeShambo. He said it was a good run.

• 58:17Speaker 03

  Everyone posts that shit when a season ends.

• 58:20Speaker 00

  Really?

• 58:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:21Speaker 00

  Okay, what about when a league ends?

• 58:23Speaker 03

  The league's not over.

• 58:25Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 58:25Speaker 03

  It's just shifting.

• 58:26Speaker 00

  Alright, so that was just a good run for the, for the cliques?

• 58:30Speaker 03

  Uh, crushers.

• 58:31Speaker 00

  Crushers. Did, did they have a good run?

• 58:34Speaker 03

  They had a good season.

• 58:35Speaker 00

  Okay, and these, all, these pictures are all from this season?

• 58:38Speaker 03

  Uh, that, he wears the same fucking uniform every day, so you can't tell.

• 58:42Speaker 00

  Okay, okay.

• 58:43Speaker 03

  It's tough to tell.

• 58:44Speaker 00

  It was a good run.

• 58:45Speaker 03

  Probably not, because he's wearing shorts in the first one.

• 58:48Speaker 00

  Oh, no. So that's from the beginning of Liv.

• 58:51Speaker 02

  That's gonna go down as, as the, the biggest bait and switch of all time. That Liv was like, you get to wear shorts.

• 58:57Speaker 00

  So Hank, would you say that would be weird if like, um, so, uh, let's, let's throw this out there, uh, if LeBron after.

• 59:05Speaker 03

  Call Max back?

• 59:06Speaker 00

  If LeBron after this year said it was a good run, and he posted a picture of him in a Sixers uniform, a Lakers uniform, a Cavs uniform, and a Heat uniform. Would you think he is saying it was a good run this year, or he's retiring and it's all over?

• 59:23Speaker 03

  Retiring.

• 59:24Speaker 00

  Okay. And Bryce is probably not retiring.

• 59:27Speaker 03

  But maybe he is.

• 59:27Speaker 00

  Okay, it was a good run.

• 59:29Speaker 03

  It was a good run.

• 59:30Speaker 00

  It was a really good.

• 59:31Speaker 03

  It was a hell of a run.

• 59:32Speaker 00

  It was a hell of a run. We had the best of times with this run. I think we could all agree.

• 59:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, they made major waves.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, does crushers, do they not even have a Wikipedia page?

• 59:42Speaker 03

  Oh, they gotta.

• 59:43Speaker 00

  You gotta.

• 59:44Speaker 02

  I don't think they do. I'm trying to look up their history of finishes and.

• 59:48Speaker 00

  Can't find it.

• 59:49Speaker 03

  Crushers GC.

• 59:50Speaker 02

  Uh, my, that's what I looked up.

• 59:52Speaker 00

  My cool throne, I have a couple, uh, Cal Raleigh, three homerun night. We are not, uh, as good friends of big dumper Cal Raleigh. We are choosing to ignore the majority of this season, but maybe if he goes on a little heater, we'll start remembering from here on out. So three homerun night, first three home runs, uh, in his, uh, three home night in his career. That's pretty cool for him. Happy for him. Also, uh, for anyone who, I, I said this last episode, but I made an NIL donation to Wisconsin. I also am running little fun thing where I, I got 50 season tickets to Wisconsin Badgers, 50 pair, uh, 25 pairs, so 50 total. And, uh, you have till Thursday. Look at my social to see how you could potentially win one of the pairs of season tickets.

• 1:00:35Speaker 00

  And then my other cool throne is, uh, Luca, because he's skinny again, which is just, I think he just,

• 1:00:42Speaker 00

  Luca just, he's, he's Oprah. He go, he yo-yos. Like, he, I, I kinda do the same thing. He looks very skinny, but like, where I'll just lose 10, I'll fluctuate 10 pounds back and forth constantly.

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  This is, this is Los Angeles.

• 1:00:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:55Speaker 02

  That's what that is.

• 1:00:56Speaker 00

  He looks hot.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  I'll tell you what, Luca would not be able to play at Virginia Tech or Wisconsin.

• 1:01:01Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:01:02Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:01:02Speaker 00

  Beefy's boys.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  Beefy's boys. They, that list is so funny, the list of the, the biggest colleges. And, and I think Wisconsin was standalone, right? At like 242 pounds?

• 1:01:11Speaker 00

  Yes, it ma, it actually gave me, cause like, I, you know, I talked about donating to NIL and doing this stuff and trying to get more involved. It was the first time I felt a little hope about the Wisconsin Badgers football program, which I do think we're gonna have a good year, and I'm, I'm all bought in with, with Fickle and trying to right the ship, but seeing that graphic, it's like, yes, this is what it should be.

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:31Speaker 00

  We should be the fattest all the time.

• 1:01:33Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:01:33Speaker 00

  Every single time. Uh, Zach, finish it off.

• 1:01:36Speaker 03

  My, uh, hot, my hot seat this week is gonna be most of teams in the Premier League, because did you guys see that Erling Haaland has reached final form?

• 1:01:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, he shaved his head.

• 1:01:44Speaker 03

  He's done what any man does, many, a drastic life change, and he went one guard all the way around.

• 1:01:49Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  They're undefeated since he's made this adjustment.

• 1:01:52Speaker 00

  How many games?

• 1:01:53Speaker 03

  Uh, through one.

• 1:01:54Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  Is he gonna lose his powers, though? Like, this, Sampson did that, right, in the Bible?

• 1:02:00Speaker 03

  Uh, not to get, I, I'm not too familiar to get biblical, but I do know, you don't see too many Vikings going shaved head. Maybe he's, he's left that for the World Cup and he's now ready to go. Uh, other quick update on that, uh, Tottenham did lose their first game. Chelsea did win their first game. Off the races, boys.

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  Tottenham lost.

• 1:02:18Speaker 03

  That's correct.

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  Okay, be a real shame.

• 1:02:19Speaker 00

  What team are you referring to again?

• 1:02:20Speaker 03

  I'm, uh, Chelsea guy. We did, we are 1-0 in the season.

• 1:02:23Speaker 02

  Oh, the guy that owns the, uh, the Dodgers.

• 1:02:25Speaker 03

  That's a whole, that's a money thing. We're talking on pitch, you know?

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 1:02:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's.

• 1:02:28Speaker 02

  You giving out any loans to your players?

• 1:02:30Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't think.

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  Cause he did to LeBron James.

• 1:02:33Speaker 03

  Some are saying companies affiliated, right?

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  300 million dollars.

• 1:02:36Speaker 03

  What a loan. That'd be a great day.

• 1:02:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  You sign on that check?

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  Which just means he's probably a good investor, and that loan comes due in probably 30 years, at like, whatever small interest rate you charge him. He'll probably make 10 million dollars off that loan.

• 1:02:51Speaker 03

  If LeBron gets incredibly untied up for that, you, 300 million, is that worth it to LeBron to like, go into major, major issues legally, maybe?

• 1:02:59Speaker 00

  I don't know, he's got, sorry.

• 1:03:00Speaker 03

  I think he's got like.

• 1:03:01Speaker 00

  I feel like this, what, what I've learned from all of this is rich people just loan money, uh, from themselves, from other rich people, then leverage it and make even more money, and then pay it back. Like, they just take out, they're, they have money, and then they're like, hey, you know what? I'm gonna put, I'm gonna take 100 million dollars of your money and invest it, make it, make 200 million dollars, then I'll give you 10 million dollars back. That's just how they keep making money.

• 1:03:28Speaker 03

  You hold this little piece, let me get that, circle it around.

• 1:03:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'll use your money to make myself more money, and then I'll give you a little bit of the money that you gave me, uh, back, and then some.

• 1:03:37Speaker 02

  And then sometimes if you have a lot of money, you're like, I'm gonna start this league, and we're gonna lose like, every dollar of my money. Uh, but it doesn't matter, because I, I just have more money.

• 1:03:46Speaker 00

  And also it doesn't matter, because it was a good run.

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  It was a good run.

• 1:03:48Speaker 00

  It was a good run.

• 1:03:49Speaker 02

  Don't forget the, the friends we made along the way.

• 1:03:51Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm, cool throne.

• 1:03:52Speaker 03

  Uh, cool throne, this, uh, week is gonna be the MAC. Uh, did you guys see the roster move that Ball State made?

• 1:03:57Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:03:57Speaker 03

  Uh, Ball State, all-time roster move.

• 1:03:59Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:03:59Speaker 03

  Keldrick Luster.

• 1:04:00Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:04:01Speaker 03

  We're talking 510, 250.

• 1:04:03Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:04:03Speaker 03

  Height and weight.

• 1:04:04Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:04:04Speaker 03

  Absolute unit.

• 1:04:06Speaker 00

  Dude, this is, this is, this is why the MAC is the best league. Um, and it, it, this happens like, every couple of years in the MAC. There was a Central Michigan kid who actually was really good, like, I loved watching him play, who was kind of a similar build. And this is what they do. They, they, they can bring back fatter or bad body quarterbacks and make them cool.

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  What number is he wearing?

• 1:04:31Speaker 03

  We gotta find that out.

• 1:04:32Speaker 02

  I hope, is, is it six?

• 1:04:35Speaker 00

  What was his measurables again?

• 1:04:37Speaker 03

  510, 250.

• 1:04:39Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:04:39Speaker 03

  510, 250.

• 1:04:41Speaker 02

  I love that.

• 1:04:42Speaker 00

  That's so good.

• 1:04:42Speaker 03

  And he's running through shit.

• 1:04:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's so good.

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  You know Drew Allard? 6'5", 240.

• 1:04:49Speaker 00

  240, 245.

• 1:04:50Speaker 02

  6'5", 245?

• 1:04:51Speaker 00

  I believe it's 245.

• 1:04:52Speaker 02

  Fuck.

• 1:04:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, so big.

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  That guy can play ball, though.

• 1:04:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, he can. Yeah, he can. On a, on a, on a, uh, roster sheet, he can play ball.

• 1:05:01Speaker 02

  Some guys are, some guys are meant to be in the NFL.

• 1:05:03Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  Some guys, the stripes.

• 1:05:05Speaker 00

  Being held back.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  Some guys with stripes on the ball, they distract them.

• 1:05:08Speaker 00

  Yep. Alright, do you have any other?

• 1:05:09Speaker 03

  And then, uh, other quick cool throne, uh, 10 Bay Buccaneers, because, uh, Ring of Honor members. John Gruden says that Baker and the Bucks are close to getting things done.

• 1:05:18Speaker 00

  Oh, I was confused. I forgot they were in a contract dispute. I thought they were close to getting things done like winning the Super Bowl.

• 1:05:25Speaker 03

  Oh, I mean, that's on the horizon as well. We're not throwing that out.

• 1:05:28Speaker 00

  But that's good. Good for Baker. We want, we root for Baker. We want Baker deserves to get paid. And the Bucks should be crazy not to.

• 1:05:34Speaker 03

  He said he couldn't speak to any inside scoop, but he feels as if they're close.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  Okay, so this might be Malicek.

• 1:05:41Speaker 00

  This could be Malicek.

• 1:05:41Speaker 02

  Malicek say this or did Gruden say this?

• 1:05:45Speaker 03

  These things aren't to be, you know?

• 1:05:47Speaker 02

  Are to be known. They're not meant to be known by us.

• 1:05:49Speaker 03

  But great things to know is that, uh?

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  I hope, I hope you're right, Zach.

• 1:05:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, Baker deserves to be paid.

• 1:05:54Speaker 02

  He does.

• 1:05:54Speaker 03

  Leave a really good spot. Pay the man, family man, leader of men.

• 1:05:58Speaker 00

  Pay the man his money. Okay, let's do Mount Rushmore. You guys ready?

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm ready.

• 1:06:02Speaker 00

  Mount Rushmore.

• 1:06:03Speaker 02

  You ready?

• 1:06:04Speaker 00

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• 1:07:23Speaker 02

  Non-ball sports items.

• 1:07:26Speaker 00

  Non-ball sports items and we are down to the wire, boys. We have five Mount Rushmore's left.

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  Yep. PFT bought a bottle of champagne earlier.

• 1:07:34Speaker 00

  Oh, good for you, PFT. PFT is up nine to five to five.

• 1:07:40Speaker 03

  So what's your magic number?

• 1:07:41Speaker 02

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Hank.

• 1:07:43Speaker 03

  Kind of love that.

• 1:07:44Speaker 02

  Hank's right. I did. I did request a bottle of champagne. Hank, I'm rent free inside your head.

• 1:07:51Speaker 00

  Is that true?

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  I am rent free. I told Dom, I was like, I don't want to jinx it, but like New York Times bestseller list comes out on Wednesday.

• 1:07:59Speaker 03

  No, you didn't say that.

• 1:08:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. And then Hank talked that I was talking about beating his ass in Mount Rushmore.

• 1:08:05Speaker 00

  Do you have cigars?

• 1:08:06Speaker 02

  So thoroughly, no cigars. But Dom, you can confirm this was related to, to possible good news for the book. Yeah.

• 1:08:13Speaker 00

  Hank, Hank, that's embarrassing. That means he is rent free. That's an embarrassing look. That is.

• 1:08:23Speaker 02

  You thought I cared enough about, about beating you in Mount Rushmore to order a bottle of champagne?

• 1:08:28Speaker 00

  1v1 off with literally no punishment decided?

• 1:08:34Speaker 00

  Hank.

• 1:08:35Speaker 02

  It was, it was outside, it was outside the cabin.

• 1:08:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:08:38Speaker 02

  Rico Bosco had night terrors. I got like two hours of sleep. The, the building was, the basketball building was next to it.

• 1:08:44Speaker 00

  It was right before we started recording.

• 1:08:47Speaker 02

  The chair was at a weird angle and we, I think we had.

• 1:08:50Speaker 00

  By the way, these are, these are prime fart, uh, chairs.

• 1:08:57Speaker 02

  Dude, you gotta check that out. You have to go check that out.

• 1:09:00Speaker 00

  I should have put the mic on that one.

• 1:09:01Speaker 02

  There were some bubbles at the end.

• 1:09:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, there were. Hey, I'm not going to deny there were bubbles at the end.

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  There were bubbles at the end.

• 1:09:11Speaker 02

  Can you check your boxers?

• 1:09:13Speaker 00

  That smells so bad, Zach. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, dude.

• 1:09:21Speaker 02

  Zach's just sitting there getting waterboarded by it.

• 1:09:24Speaker 00

  Dude, it's bad. It is so bad.

• 1:09:28Speaker 05

  That thing ripped out of your ass.

• 1:09:29Speaker 00

  Oh dude, I'm, I, like, really, yeah, it's got an aftertaste.

• 1:09:40Speaker 00

  It has an aftertaste and I am sorry, Zach.

• 1:09:42Speaker 02

  When you're playing the battle royale.

• 1:09:43Speaker 00

  Zach, I'm legit sorry, man.

• 1:09:45Speaker 03

  All good.

• 1:09:45Speaker 02

  When you play battle royale and like the gas first starts to get to you, that cough that, that's what you're doing.

• 1:09:52Speaker 00

  I'm trying to get the air moving.

• 1:09:53Speaker 03

  These are good fart chairs. They just ripped one as hard as you could.

• 1:09:56Speaker 00

  Oh, I've been thinking about it since I sat down. I'm like, damn, this would, this would sound awesome. All right, where were we? Oh, you're, you're PFT owning you.

• 1:10:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was, that was, uh, I'm just focused on the, I think about the show all the time. I'm not thinking about personal accolades and, and.

• 1:10:12Speaker 02

  The book is part of the show. It's literally all part of my book.

• 1:10:14Speaker 00

  And you're a part of that. He was gonna have you sip some champagne.

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's for all of us.

• 1:10:18Speaker 03

  But I'm, I think about the podcast and, and putting out an entertaining product, not celebrating like past accomplishments.

• 1:10:25Speaker 02

  No, this would be actually like a, a current, like.

• 1:10:27Speaker 03

  But like that book's out. I'm on to the next book. I'm ready for the next book. That's what I'm focused on. Yeah. Like I, like the second that book was done, I'm focused on the next book.

• 1:10:35Speaker 00

  I would love for you to be a book writer.

• 1:10:39Speaker 02

  You know what?

• 1:10:40Speaker 00

  Would you? Yeah.

• 1:10:41Speaker 02

  Hey, how about this? Zach Hank, loser of Mount Rushmore, has to write a book.

• 1:10:49Speaker 02

  Minimum, okay, it can be like, it could be a short book, minimum 50 pages.

• 1:10:54Speaker 03

  I don't like that, but I don't hate it either.

• 1:10:58Speaker 03

  And photo using font counts up to the, the author, right? Of course.

• 1:11:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, I would say like photo, no more than 50% of the book should be pictured.

• 1:11:04Speaker 03

  Understandable.

• 1:11:05Speaker 00

  All right, we're, so, so PFT was not buying champagne for Mount Rushmore season.

• 1:11:12Speaker 00

  We are fi- fi- nine to five to five. Who's pick is first?

• 1:11:19Speaker 03

  I think I pick first.

• 1:11:20Speaker 00

  Zach, Zach, Hank, it doesn't smell anymore, dude.

• 1:11:24Speaker 03

  He just farted.

• 1:11:25Speaker 00

  Well, I'm gonna fart again at some point, but I'll let you guys know. Cause these chairs are so good. These chairs are so good.

• 1:11:32Speaker 02

  I mean, if we're in the process of interviewing an NFL coach, I think, maybe, yeah.

• 1:11:37Speaker 00

  Zach, you're up first. Who's up second?

• 1:11:39Speaker 02

  Hank.

• 1:11:40Speaker 00

  Oh, Hank's in there. Dude, you got, we gotta start getting this, we gotta get the mics on there.

• 1:11:49Speaker 03

  For the non-ball sports item, first pick, I think it pairs very well with the ball. I'm gonna go baseball bat.

• 1:11:54Speaker 02

  Well, bat first, okay.

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  I had that on the list.

• 1:11:59Speaker 03

  I had that on the list as well.

• 1:12:01Speaker 00

  I had it on my list, which I made and it's three things.

• 1:12:04Speaker 03

  I am a football guy through and through. This is a football podcast. I am going to go with a helmet.

• 1:12:09Speaker 00

  Ooh, football helmet.

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  Guardian helmet?

• 1:12:13Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:12:13Speaker 00

  You're wearing the cap?

• 1:12:14Speaker 02

  Hank said guardian helmet.

• 1:12:15Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:12:16Speaker 03

  No, helmet.

• 1:12:17Speaker 00

  But guardian helmet?

• 1:12:18Speaker 03

  Helmet.

• 1:12:18Speaker 00

  You don't care about their brains?

• 1:12:22Speaker 03

  It doesn't, I don't think it makes a difference.

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  It doesn't matter?

• 1:12:24Speaker 00

  It doesn't matter?

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  Their brains?

• 1:12:25Speaker 00

  I think there's actually a new study that was like one in.

• 1:12:27Speaker 03

  It's like way ramped up from what they thought, yeah.

• 1:12:29Speaker 00

  Really bad study. Anything that's one in four death is not good.

• 1:12:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. Okay, I'm gonna go with basketball hoop.

• 1:12:40Speaker 00

  Ah, or is Ted Cruz called it a ring?

• 1:12:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, but the basketball ring, uh, basketball, like the entire goal, I'm taking like the backboard and the rim.

• 1:12:49Speaker 03

  Good pick.

• 1:12:50Speaker 00

  Oh, you're getting both?

• 1:12:51Speaker 02

  Basketball hoop, yeah.

• 1:12:51Speaker 00

  You're getting the backboard and the rim?

• 1:12:53Speaker 02

  It's the goal. It's the basketball.

• 1:12:54Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:12:55Speaker 03

  Ten foot?

• 1:12:55Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, 10 feet. Yeah. Oh, you think maybe couche?

• 1:12:59Speaker 03

  Just one chair or something, you know?

• 1:13:02Speaker 00

  Couche is kind of.

• 1:13:03Speaker 02

  It is kind of fun. Okay, I'm gonna go basketball hoop, number one. Number two, I'm gonna go golf clubs.

• 1:13:08Speaker 00

  Hmm. Yeah, I can't believe Hank didn't pick that one, one.

• 1:13:11Speaker 03

  Good pick.

• 1:13:11Speaker 02

  Especially for women.

• 1:13:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:13Speaker 02

  They're allowed to partake as well.

• 1:13:14Speaker 00

  Anyone.

• 1:13:15Speaker 02

  Safely, yeah.

• 1:13:19Speaker 03

  That's my pick.

• 1:13:20Speaker 00

  Oh, we should remake the ad and it's a tailor-made, uh, righty. Hank goes to grab it. Hank punches himself in the face.

• 1:13:33Speaker 00

  That's pretty good.

• 1:13:34Speaker 03

  That is a good idea.

• 1:13:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:35Speaker 02

  With his left hand.

• 1:13:36Speaker 00

  Yes, yes.

• 1:13:37Speaker 03

  Don't touch my righty club.

• 1:13:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're like.

• 1:13:40Speaker 03

  Don't touch a righty club.

• 1:13:41Speaker 00

  You just start beating the fuck out of yourself. That'd be pretty good. We should maybe do it.

• 1:13:47Speaker 03

  Uh, I'm gonna go with baseball glove.

• 1:13:51Speaker 00

  Oh, that's a great one.

• 1:13:53Speaker 02

  I had that.

• 1:13:53Speaker 00

  Mitt, baseball mitt. That, there's a difference, by the way. We all agree. A glove becomes a mitt.

• 1:14:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:00Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's like a caterpillar into a butterfly.

• 1:14:03Speaker 03

  When it's in the store, like if you're buying in a store, it's, it's a glove.

• 1:14:06Speaker 00

  And, but when, when you.

• 1:14:08Speaker 03

  The second you take it out of your mattress, like you sleep on it for a couple of nights.

• 1:14:11Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:14:11Speaker 03

  It becomes a mitt.

• 1:14:12Speaker 02

  Which put oil on it. It's a mitt, yeah.

• 1:14:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, the oil, the mattress, the, the rubber bands.

• 1:14:17Speaker 02

  You go shopping for a glove, but you wear a mitt.

• 1:14:21Speaker 00

  The, the way you talked about my fart, now you're just ripping ass left and right. I know, that was just a, that was a test.

• 1:14:30Speaker 00

  Is mic's not on? PFT's going, PFT's going. Check, check. PFT's going.

• 1:14:37Speaker 02

  It went away.

• 1:14:38Speaker 00

  You gotta do it on the chair, though. The chair is what makes it special.

• 1:14:43Speaker 00

  Are you back? Uh, a mitt though.

• 1:14:46Speaker 03

  Check, check, check, check.

• 1:14:47Speaker 00

  Do you want mitt or glove? I think you want glove.

• 1:14:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:51Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:14:52Speaker 02

  Is this working?

• 1:14:53Speaker 00

  I don't know. Oh no, Max Merchant. Meme's a Max Merchant. This wouldn't be happening if Max was here.

• 1:15:00Speaker 02

  Okay, oh, here we go. Check, check, check. Hey, memes, Max, can you show this up?

• 1:15:07Speaker 00

  You've got a lot of going on. I know.

• 1:15:11Speaker 02

  It went away again.

• 1:15:11Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:15:12Speaker 03

  I'm going to take the three point line.

• 1:15:14Speaker 00

  Check, check, check, check. The three point line?

• 1:15:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, definitely. Nothing better than a deep three, boys.

• 1:15:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, speaking of merchants.

• 1:15:21Speaker 00

  What?

• 1:15:22Speaker 03

  There was, look, there was an era of basketball with no three point line.

• 1:15:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:24Speaker 03

  I prefer.

• 1:15:25Speaker 00

  Right, but you're just taking it?

• 1:15:26Speaker 03

  I'm gonna take the three point line.

• 1:15:27Speaker 00

  The whole three point line?

• 1:15:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, three point line.

• 1:15:28Speaker 02

  It ruined the sport.

• 1:15:29Speaker 00

  Okay. The three point line.

• 1:15:33Speaker 02

  Basketball was objectively better before the three point line. That's when good basketball teams could win and it wasn't about who can make a trick shot the best.

• 1:15:41Speaker 00

  The three point line.

• 1:15:42Speaker 03

  Yes, sir.

• 1:15:42Speaker 00

  So, if I showed you, what did you, like, what did you take? Did you just take painter's tape?

• 1:15:48Speaker 03

  No, I'm, I, oh, so.

• 1:15:50Speaker 02

  I took the, I'll give him the line.

• 1:15:51Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:15:52Speaker 03

  Would PFT speak, be like, uh, Plexiglas and Steel?

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:56Speaker 03

  We know what these things are made of.

• 1:15:57Speaker 00

  Right, right, right.

• 1:15:58Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:16:00Speaker 00

  But like, okay, never mind. There's like, uh, he, never mind. He's got a hoop, he's got a claw, claw, uh.

• 1:16:08Speaker 02

  We're good.

• 1:16:09Speaker 03

  We're on the same page.

• 1:16:10Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. We understand what he means by three point line.

• 1:16:12Speaker 00

  He's got a helmet, he's got.

• 1:16:14Speaker 03

  Several items.

• 1:16:15Speaker 00

  He's got a mitt.

• 1:16:18Speaker 00

  Three point line, alright.

• 1:16:21Speaker 00

  I didn't mean to do that to you.

• 1:16:22Speaker 03

  No, we're good, we're good. A lot of picks, a lot of good picks left out there on the board.

• 1:16:26Speaker 02

  You're up again.

• 1:16:26Speaker 00

  You're next.

• 1:16:27Speaker 03

  Up again, I would like to take next.

• 1:16:28Speaker 00

  He's gonna take the crease in the hockey.

• 1:16:32Speaker 03

  I would like to take receiver gloves.

• 1:16:33Speaker 00

  There we go, now you're back.

• 1:16:36Speaker 02

  Good pick.

• 1:16:36Speaker 00

  I like that. Nothing better than playing catch when you have receiver, receiver gloves on, you just feel like you can catch everything.

• 1:16:43Speaker 02

  Or doing the chop.

• 1:16:44Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:16:46Speaker 03

  You become a professional wide receiver at any age.

• 1:16:48Speaker 00

  Every single, yeah, get your hands together, oh.

• 1:16:50Speaker 03

  It's so good.

• 1:16:51Speaker 00

  It's a great feeling, that's a good pick. We can bounce back from the three point line.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  I thought it was a great pick.

• 1:16:59Speaker 03

  My, my pick next, I am going to take that, you know, sports, one piece sports without these. Jerseys.

• 1:17:06Speaker 00

  Ah.

• 1:17:07Speaker 02

  That's just jerseys, okay.

• 1:17:09Speaker 00

  That's, Shane just shook his head, goes, finally, some respect.

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  Nice pick, Hank.

• 1:17:13Speaker 03

  Like, I'm, like, if, if, if you were watching a game, they didn't have jerseys on, you wouldn't know what's going on.

• 1:17:17Speaker 00

  You're absolutely right.

• 1:17:18Speaker 02

  Shirt for skins.

• 1:17:20Speaker 03

  What shirts?

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  Uh, the absence of skins.

• 1:17:23Speaker 03

  But like, it'd be, you know, you gotta get a white shirt, you gotta get a green shirt, you gotta get a black shirt.

• 1:17:27Speaker 02

  Right, not a jersey, those aren't jerseys.

• 1:17:29Speaker 03

  It would be hard, it wouldn't be, it would be hard to tell what's going on.

• 1:17:31Speaker 02

  Are you taking shirts or are you taking jerseys?

• 1:17:33Speaker 03

  I'm taking jerseys.

• 1:17:34Speaker 02

  Okay. So shirts for skins, what about that?

• 1:17:36Speaker 03

  I'm saying, but like, if, if the, if everyone's wearing just whatever shirt, like, we did shirts for skins right now, and.

• 1:17:43Speaker 00

  Still triggers me.

• 1:17:43Speaker 03

  Those four were.

• 1:17:45Speaker 00

  It does, does it not?

• 1:17:46Speaker 03

  Were shirts, like, they wouldn't look like an organized team, they would look like a bunch of rap scallions.

• 1:17:51Speaker 00

  If someone yells shirts for skins, I'm immediately like, oh, fuck, I'm that meme, the, the guy at war, just looking off into the distance. Oh, that was a little toot. That was a girl fart.

• 1:18:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's cute.

• 1:18:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:03Speaker 02

  Alright, good pick, Hank.

• 1:18:04Speaker 00

  Don't let that fart touch my driver.

• 1:18:07Speaker 02

  I didn't, I didn't think about jerseys, I'll be honest.

• 1:18:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, no jersey's a good pick.

• 1:18:10Speaker 02

  Caught me off guard.

• 1:18:10Speaker 00

  I also didn't think about three point line.

• 1:18:12Speaker 03

  Me neither.

• 1:18:13Speaker 00

  Something to think about? Alright, PFT, you have two picks.

• 1:18:16Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm gonna go swimming pool.

• 1:18:18Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, swimming pool.

• 1:18:20Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:18:21Speaker 02

  So it's a, swimming is a sport.

• 1:18:22Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:18:23Speaker 02

  I just got a swimming pool.

• 1:18:24Speaker 00

  Damn.

• 1:18:26Speaker 02

  Pretty.

• 1:18:26Speaker 00

  That's a good pick.

• 1:18:27Speaker 03

  Where does, where does, uh, swimming rank on your sports?

• 1:18:29Speaker 02

  Doesn't matter, this is not a list of best sports.

• 1:18:31Speaker 00

  But hold on, I think you have to take Olympic sized swimming pool.

• 1:18:35Speaker 02

  No, I just took swimming pool because you could also dive into it.

• 1:18:37Speaker 03

  There's nothing worse than when all the lanes are set up and you're trying to swim.

• 1:18:40Speaker 00

  No, because I, there's a difference between a backyard swimming pool and a, uh, the, the one that's played with sport.

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  You could.

• 1:18:46Speaker 00

  Is a little different.

• 1:18:47Speaker 02

  But you could also dive into a pool, that's the deep end, you could also, uh, play water polo in a pool. I, I think swimming pools, I think it counts.

• 1:18:56Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:18:58Speaker 02

  And then I'm gonna go race car.

• 1:18:59Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:19:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'm, I'm just basically taking kick ass shit with rounds three and four.

• 1:19:05Speaker 00

  PFT, can I, can I do something?

• 1:19:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:10Speaker 00

  The, well, race car and swimming pool in three and four.

• 1:19:13Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:19:14Speaker 00

  I mean, that's a really nice, and, and, I, I, you know what, I should stop talking.

• 1:19:23Speaker 03

  Can't help himself, uh, I'm gonna take smelling salts.

• 1:19:26Speaker 02

  Okay, good pick. Like those. Give you a little boost.

• 1:19:30Speaker 00

  What I was trying to do for PFT there?

• 1:19:37Speaker 02

  Oh, again, yeah.

• 1:19:40Speaker 00

  You got a strong draft.

• 1:19:41Speaker 02

  I mean, yeah.

• 1:19:42Speaker 00

  You got a strong draft.

• 1:19:43Speaker 02

  I could, I could see the look in Hank and Zach's eyes when I took, just when I said swimming pool.

• 1:19:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, it fucked him up.

• 1:19:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:49Speaker 00

  They, they, they got fucked up. What was your pick? It was forgettable, but tell it, tell it.

• 1:19:53Speaker 03

  Uh, smelling salts.

• 1:19:54Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:19:54Speaker 02

  Good pick.

• 1:19:55Speaker 00

  Alright, you can get.

• 1:19:56Speaker 02

  I actually do think that was a good pick.

• 1:19:57Speaker 00

  That is a good pick.

• 1:19:59Speaker 03

  I'm also gonna go, I'm gonna take a recovery route and I'm gonna go theragun.

• 1:20:03Speaker 00

  Oh, okay, I don't hate that.

• 1:20:05Speaker 02

  I like it. Do you, do you own one?

• 1:20:09Speaker 03

  Uh, I didn't bring one with me, no.

• 1:20:10Speaker 00

  Alright, what, what do we?

• 1:20:11Speaker 03

  Do you ever use one? Oh, certainly, yeah, all, all, all athletes, you know, you gotta recover, gotta work out the muscles, definitely. You put on that, of course, yeah.

• 1:20:18Speaker 02

  Zach, you've never used one, have you?

• 1:20:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course, yeah.

• 1:20:20Speaker 00

  Oh, he's used one.

• 1:20:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:21Speaker 00

  Uh, what did we miss? Uh, memes, memes sent me one single pick.

• 1:20:25Speaker 03

  Would hockey puck have been allowed?

• 1:20:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, that would've been allowed, memes sent me one single pick, it was just a cup, which, I kind of agree.

• 1:20:32Speaker 03

  Jock strap.

• 1:20:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:33Speaker 00

  Hockey stick. Especially when you were a little kid.

• 1:20:36Speaker 03

  Clipboard.

• 1:20:37Speaker 00

  When you were a little kid playing Little League baseball and you just found out like what your penis and balls are.

• 1:20:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:43Speaker 00

  You're like, and you're like, I don't really trust my hands yet to, to stop this ball from hitting my nuts. The cup was very important, you felt like Superman.

• 1:20:51Speaker 02

  And kids in baseball that grew up with, you know, mostly synthetic turf fields, I've seen, you know, a lot of those in Little League.

• 1:20:57Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:20:58Speaker 02

  So you don't have to mow the grass, they don't know that when we grew up, like, a bad hop was every hop.

• 1:21:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:04Speaker 02

  You don't have that, you don't have bad hops anymore, but it was every ground ball would be a bad hop, so kids were just getting drilled in the dick left and right.

• 1:21:10Speaker 00

  I also will say off of that, uh, the, like, Little League culture, there's been a lot of talk about, like, all the gear and stuff. I'll just fully admit it, and this might make me lame, but if I were, if you could, if I could snap my fingers, I was 12 years old in 2026. I would 100% have a sliding glove, even though I'm not fast.

• 1:21:29Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:21:29Speaker 00

  Those things are fucking sick.

• 1:21:31Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:21:31Speaker 00

  Cause you get an extra like three inches sliding into the base.

• 1:21:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:34Speaker 00

  And it's cool to put it on when you get on first base.

• 1:21:36Speaker 03

  I'd probably have two of them.

• 1:21:37Speaker 00

  Like, I know it's probably lame, cause like, again, I'm not a fast guy.

• 1:21:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:41Speaker 00

  I'm not someone who's stealing bases, but I would put it on and steal zero bases.

• 1:21:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, it's like a kicker wearing a guardian cap.

• 1:21:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:48Speaker 02

  But it would, it would feel awesome.

• 1:21:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:51Speaker 02

  You would feel faster and I think that would make you just like a slightly tiny bit faster.

• 1:21:55Speaker 00

  I think people get confused a little bit with like the, uh, Little League culture and like the travel ball, and that discussion's actually a real discussion that I think is a fair one to have because, like, when we were growing up, I think actually all of us, uh, you just played, you just played your local town, like, you didn't play anything else, you played your local town, that's, that's all you did. And now it's got out of hand, the one thing though that gets confused is then people will post videos of like, kids doing hype, hype videos of their Little League team with all the gear, and they're like, this has gotten too, listen, those kids feel so cool.

• 1:22:27Speaker 02

  It feels like.

• 1:22:27Speaker 00

  Like, you, you put on all that gear and you get a fucking neon yellow bat.

• 1:22:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:31Speaker 00

  You probably feel like the coolest kid in the world, let the kids feel cool.

• 1:22:35Speaker 02

  Don't act like when you got your first baseball uniform or your first pair, like, your first glove, you didn't go to sleep at night wearing that baseball.

• 1:22:42Speaker 00

  Don't act like you didn't walk around in your basketball, your new basketball shoes.

• 1:22:46Speaker 02

  Yes, all day.

• 1:22:47Speaker 00

  By the way, that was, I saw you, I saw your picks and you had.

• 1:22:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:53Speaker 00

  Basketball shoes were a great pick.

• 1:22:54Speaker 02

  Nobody picked basketball shoes.

• 1:22:56Speaker 00

  You had them.

• 1:22:56Speaker 03

  Basketball shoes.

• 1:22:57Speaker 02

  Kobe's sleeves.

• 1:22:58Speaker 03

  Kobe's sleeves are great basketball shoes.

• 1:22:59Speaker 00

  Cleats are big, uh, batting gloves, shooting sleeve, that's another one.

• 1:23:05Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:23:06Speaker 02

  I just, I can't believe nobody picked basketball shoes.

• 1:23:08Speaker 00

  Basketball shoes is a huge mess.

• 1:23:10Speaker 02

  You can make the argue that that's a first round pick.

• 1:23:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, well.

• 1:23:15Speaker 00

  I don't know, dude, that first round was pretty good, and then think about it, we had the three point line in the second round, so.

• 1:23:20Speaker 02

  Actually, Hank, race car was my last pick that I had.

• 1:23:22Speaker 03

  I know, I'm saying that was a great pick.

• 1:23:24Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:23:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, and swimming pool.

• 1:23:26Speaker 02

  And swimming pool.

• 1:23:26Speaker 03

  Swimming pool's like, that's a PFT special where it's like not really a pick, but it's like whatever.

• 1:23:30Speaker 00

  I think, I think swimming pools have.

• 1:23:32Speaker 03

  PFT is just kinda like, everyone's giving up fighting them this summer, it's like whatever.

• 1:23:35Speaker 02

  Ballpark, or like if we could've taken like football field.

• 1:23:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:39Speaker 03

  Like, those are like, the swimming pool's like the arena.

• 1:23:41Speaker 00

  You should've taken Wrigley.

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:43Speaker 03

  You've just, you've just taken.

• 1:23:45Speaker 02

  Football uprights was still out there.

• 1:23:46Speaker 03

  You've done a great job of picking so much dumb bullshit answers that like everyone's just kinda giving up fighting.

• 1:23:53Speaker 02

  I think that's a, a perfectly fine, I will.

• 1:23:55Speaker 03

  Of course you do.

• 1:23:56Speaker 02

  I will agree with you that I have picked a lot of dumb bullshit answers, yes. This is not one of them.

• 1:24:01Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:24:01Speaker 02

  This is, this is the blind pick.

• 1:24:03Speaker 00

  Hank, you sounded a little salty, not gonna lie.

• 1:24:05Speaker 03

  No, I, I respect it, it's like, he's, he's done a good job, like, you can't.

• 1:24:09Speaker 02

  I also had on my list the Goodyear Blimp, um, boxing gloves would've been a big one.

• 1:24:13Speaker 03

  Boxing gloves, good one.

• 1:24:15Speaker 00

  Boxing gloves is really good.

• 1:24:16Speaker 02

  Sky cam, the blue medical tent. And the uprights.

• 1:24:22Speaker 00

  Backplate visor.

• 1:24:24Speaker 02

  Little pop. Champagne toast. Yeah, man, I've been taking nothing sweeter. Nothing sweeter than pouring that first glass of champagne after coming in third to last in Mount Rushmore.

• 1:24:40Speaker 00

  No, second. No, it would be second. Technically be second. Max memes and I came in first. Whoever wins this comes in second.

• 1:24:47Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:24:49Speaker 00

  All right, let's get to our interviews. We got Chris Long and Seth Wickersham.

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• 1:25:43Speaker 00

  Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is our good, good friend, Chris Long, two-time Super Bowl champion. We're going to talk some football. You can listen to him on the Green Light Pod. Chris is the absolute man, but Chris, we were just talking for a second there and we said, oh, man, I can't. I'm so excited for football to be back and you agreed, you're ready for football to be back. But I remember that every single off season, you're the guy who does the video who's like, oh, what am I going to do without football? Making fun of guys like us. No, it's not guys like you. Now you want it back. You're gonna get guys like us, me. Yeah. It's not, it's not, it's not you guys. It's like, I don't know.

• 1:26:28Speaker 00

  It's the people that feel like they have to get so into character that they act like, you know, what are, what are we going to do next six months? There's plenty of stuff on TV, you know, people have families enjoy. Yeah, World Cup was awesome. Yeah, yeah. You know, like.

• 1:26:42Speaker 02

  There's a lot of stuff.

• 1:26:44Speaker 00

  It's more just that plug and play tweet where you're, you know, the last Sunday, you know, you count the Sundays till the next NFL Sunday. I'm like, dude, okay. That's fair. Yeah, it's just, it's unoriginal at this point.

• 1:26:56Speaker 02

  You don't have to do math to figure out how much longer we have to wait for football. We get it like we, a real football guy knows just by like the temperature outside, how close we are.

• 1:27:04Speaker 00

  Real football guy doesn't do math. No, no. Real football guy just walks outside. That's right. And I agree with you like the, I love the sports calendar because when football ends, I'm ready to stop watching football for a minute. And I do love March Madness and I do love, you know, NBA and NHL playoffs. But this like somewhere around, I don't know, like early, probably right after 4th of July. It's like, okay, it's football time. That's when I start to get like angst, you know, angsty and anxious and being like, I, I started firing off the can't wait for college football tweet. That happens whenever it just pops in my head. I'm like, God damn it. I can't wait. You mean minor league football? Oh, yeah. Well, yeah.

• 1:27:42Speaker 02

  You could make the argument, maybe professional football is minor league football for college football now.

• 1:27:48Speaker 00

  You're right.

• 1:27:48Speaker 02

  It's like flipped on itself now.

• 1:27:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:27:50Speaker 02

  Well, what about the college game, Chris? Like, are you a real football guy like us? Like if your son gets married and he chooses that he's going to get married on like October 19th. Are you going to go to his wedding in the fall? Because he should know better than that.

• 1:28:02Speaker 00

  I'm gonna go to the wedding. I'm gonna go to the wedding with my phone horizontal leaned against like a flower arrangement on the table and I'm going to be watching football.

• 1:28:10Speaker 02

  That's, that's my favorite debate because that's one where it does become performative at times. It's like, don't ask me to do anything on a Saturday. Like I'm not doing chores. I'm not, I'm not taking my kid to the doctor's office. If he gets sick, it's Saturday, I'm watching some fucking college football.

• 1:28:26Speaker 00

  Don't talk to me.

• 1:28:27Speaker 02

  Like, like humans haven't been for at least the last 15 years. Yeah. You, you can bring a phone to a wedding and you can be antisocial at the, at the function.

• 1:28:37Speaker 00

  I've done it. It's, it's, uh, it's, it's just fine. You know, I've been to a couple of March Madness weddings. I went, one time I went to a Baltimore wedding and it was in March and it happened to be the night that, um, we lost to UMBC.

• 1:28:51Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 1:28:51Speaker 00

  And it was a, oh dude, I walked in in the morning and everybody's like, we're going to get you tonight. And I was like, fuck you guys. Oh, geez. Yeah. So yeah, sports weddings. That, by the way, that actually might be the worst experience when you go to something with a game that you know is happening, but you're like, I don't actually have to worry about this game. It's formality and then having it hit you slowly like, oh, fuck, I think I have to worry about this game. Like I have to start worrying about this game. Yeah. First half, I was pretty worried about that game and that you keep repeating, it's a game of runs and the run never came for us. So.

• 1:29:28Speaker 02

  And you were at a wedding, you happened to be at an event with UMBC grads, like alumni?

• 1:29:33Speaker 00

  I didn't know they had events where there were UMBC people en masse, but I found the one.

• 1:29:38Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 1:29:39Speaker 00

  It happened to be the worst. That was the worst. One of the worst, you know, when you wake up hungover and like, it takes you a second to remember what happened last night. Like something bad happened. What happened? That was one of those mornings for sure, dude. It was, it was awful, but we're, we won a national championship since, so. All's forgiven. All right. Let's talk some football. I had a, a question for you to start off as a defensive guy. I feel like part of my prep going into the season is trying to figure out who's, who's new, who are the new play callers? Both defensive and offensive. What's it going to look like? So my question to you as a player, um, how hard is it when you get a new defensive coordinator?

• 1:30:22Speaker 00

  Is it a, hey, it's going to take a month of live action, the regular season before we feel like we can just play freely in the system? Or is it something that we're all professionals? We, we can figure this out pretty quickly. Well, I think for guys up front, the first thing you got to figure out is, hey, you know, what fronts are we running? Yeah, I've been in, you know, I've had six different D coordinators in 11 year career and you know, two of them were both, it was Greg Williams and his son. So that's kind of one Blake Williams. So it's kind of one system. You know, but the, the systems vary. Like I came in the league and you know, I'm in Spags's system playing in a six technique for a defensive end, which is way different than being in a nine.

• 1:31:02Speaker 00

  And you know, just a kind of rush, crush, close, or whatever Jim Schwartz would say later in my career. And you know, Belichick's system is way different where you're getting checks at the line of scrimmage before the ball snap. On top of the play calls, which are really hard to remember and that sort of thing. I mean, like B flow was our coordinator at that point. So, you know, the complication issue of a defense like, like that can kind of slow guys down. And if you're a young player and you're in defense like that, half the battle is trying to play fast and play free and not think. Cause like a lot of young players think and when you, when you get in those defenses, sometimes it can kind of slow you down. So it just depends on the defense. Like, you know, I think offensively, um, there's only so many trees right now that are in vogue in the NFL.

• 1:31:48Speaker 00

  And so now you're seeing like the Ben Johnson tree and you, you had the McVay tree and that sort of thing. And, but a lot of it, they're all souped up like kind of West coast offenses. So I think offensively, a lot of it is, hey, it's the same concepts, different terminology. You hear that a lot. But I think defensively, playing in a varied front, like if you're in Buffalo and Jim Leonard comes to town. Shout out Wisconsin Badgers. Love them. Yeah. You're going from McDermott's defense, which is a lot of four man fronts to a very multiple defense where guys are going to be in different alignments. A lot of SIM pressures, a lot of different kind of exotic looks.

• 1:32:26Speaker 00

  And for guys like Deion Walker, the young kid from Kentucky was like six foot seven. At first you're like, how's he going to play a zero nose? But they're kind of playing a one gap kind of defense and they're going to be a nickel a lot. So it kind of all comes out in the wash. Um, you have worries about scheme fits, but, um, you know, the hard part is in today's NFL, you don't get the time, dude. Right. That's why I figured like September, like if you have a new defensive coordinator, it could look rough for, for a couple of weeks. Because you just, you don't have the time. You don't hit, they're not, we're not playing starters in preseason for a lot of series. Like all this stuff, there, guys are kind of missing out on. Now, in some situations, you're simplifying things and, and you know, it's a better scheme fit for a lot of the guys.

• 1:33:09Speaker 00

  So it just depends. And I think that the other thing that you talked about, which is, you know, trying to, trying to learn the new players, like not just the new schemes with new players is really hard. I mean, you know, for some. Somebody like myself who tries to cover the whole league and I do. I'm still catching up, you know, the first week or two of the season on who some of these rookies are. And we get so overreactive. You know, we, we see one Twitter clip on a player and he's going to be the worst player in the world or the best player in the world. I'll give you an example. I, I think David Bailey is a, is a good pro prospect and you know, certainly justifiable to pick him in the top 10 and that sort of thing.

• 1:33:49Speaker 00

  You know, the one clip that was, was, you know, making the rounds this week and put him into the hall of fame was he beats Broderick Jones. But he doesn't, you know, it's Broderick Jones first off, but second off, like the drop target for the quarterback and that plays like 11 yards. So, you know, there's little things where, you know, to an average football fan, it might look like, hey, this is a slam dunk. But the other thing is you saw the Sonny Stiles clip this week where he comes downhill on a read option. And it looks like the defensive end doesn't, we call that a surf technique where he's probably got the quarterback and Josh Job pulls it. For 60 yards and now Sonny Stiles is the worst player to ever play football. And so, you know, like we just get so caught up in this kind of preseason hype thing.

• 1:34:33Speaker 00

  I will tell you, there have been some really exciting rookies this year on the defensive front. And you know, it's, that's the easiest thing for me to download because I played there. But I need to see like 10, 15 plays. I just don't want to see one rep.

• 1:34:47Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah. It does. It's interesting with a lot of teams, like you mentioned, getting different defensive coordinators. And you've played for a couple of different styles of coordinator. Like, is it harder? As a defensive lineman, do you just like, do you look at the linebackers and the corners and the safeties? When you have a guy that's like obsessed with exotic blitz packages coming in and you're like, good luck with that. Or is there things that you have to learn to do differently too? If you're playing for like a Dr. Heat type guy?

• 1:35:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. Dr. Heat type guys. I mean, if you're a defensive end and you like pinning your ears back and keeping things simple, like a Jim Schwartz defense or something like that. Or even the Jeff Fisher defenses on first and second down. Now we got into some odd fronts with Greg Williams and. You know, you're crossing face, you're looping, you know, over the center and that type of thing. But the hardest thing for a defensive lineman is you, you've got now varied techniques and pressures that you really have to rep. And you might be an all world defensive end at just, you know, rushing the passer or setting an edge. But now you're spending 30% of your time looping inside and crossing a guard's face. You might drop into coverage, you know, you might be the curl flat guy on some pressures and, you know, so there, there's a lot of things you have to remember.

• 1:35:54Speaker 00

  And then I talked about the build defense where you're getting checks at the line of scrimmage right before the ball snaps. So I think for a defensive lineman, it can be, it can be disruptive, but for the guys on the backend, that's where the, the, the tough stuff really is. And you know, I think about, um, for instance, we'll talk about the Eagles. Eagles have, you know, McCuba and some safeties that, you know, with Reid Blanketship gone, that haven't played as much football. And you talk about how the importance of pre-snap shells and, and rotation post snap and, you know, kind of not giving tells pre-snap. So much of, of being a defensive back is like an art form and, and how you show pressure, don't show pressure. You know, you're going to, you, you're going to rotate at the snap and all that stuff.

• 1:36:35Speaker 00

  And, and I think those little nuances kind of get lost in the wash. It's not just about not having an ME or missed assignment. But it's also how you set up the pressures pre-snap and are you in the right place? Are you giving the tells?

• 1:36:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. Are you, uh, sticking on the Eagles?

• 1:36:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:36:53Speaker 02

  Where are we at with Jalen Hurts? I feel like you can go, you can go any direction in terms of he's being wildly disrespected, which I actually will buy. Because this is a guy who outplayed Patrick Mahomes in two Super Bowls. He, he, they won one, lost one. Or is it, hey, last year was so ugly at times that maybe he, maybe he can't do it without a perfect roster.

• 1:37:18Speaker 00

  Well, I, here's what I want to see with Jalen Hurts, who, who has a great resume. I mean, he's played big on the biggest stage twice, right? You know, when they played Kansas City two years ago, it was kind of a pick your poison thing with that team. You had great players outside. You have a quarterback that throws an elite deep ball in Jalen Hurts. And you've got probably one of the most dynamic rushing offenses that we've seen this century. I mean, I really do think the straw that stirred the drink with that team was, was the offensive line and Saquon and that run game. And the way it affected box counts and all that stuff. And you got your matchups outside. But it was kind of a pick your poison thing and Jalen torched the, the Chiefs. And even in that 24 season, you know, like as you aggregate the whole thing, the passing offense was fine.

• 1:38:02Speaker 00

  There were just some games where you, you say, hey, the floor, you'd like to see the floor raise a little bit. And when I watched them last year, the floor is too low and you know, it's too low for a quarterback of that caliber. And a lot of that is, is probably the scheme. And you know, like we've talked about it ad nauseam with the, with the terrible route concepts, the terrible spacing, the predictability. So, you know, I think Jalen's off the hook as far as last year is concerned, but you can't ignore the fact. That the, the, the floor was so low on the passing offense and you know, like I do think there is some pressure on him this year. You know, whatever you want to say about like what's fair, what's not fair, what should happen if he doesn't play, what, what should happen if he plays well.

• 1:38:43Speaker 00

  You just can't deny that there is pressure on a passing offense after a performance like last year. And the quarterback's going to get a lot of the blame, fair or unfair. And I think the Manion offense is all about, hey, getting back to running the football effectively. A lot of that's going to be predicated on, um, the health of the offensive line. And it's also turning your back to defense and, and delivering the ball and play action. It's pre-snap motion. It's all the things that, that, you know, the Eagles, the under center stuff, the stuff that the Eagles really didn't do a lot of. And we'll find out whether that was, you know, a Jalen Hurts preference thing, or if it was just truly a bad scheme. So, you know, we, we, it's Philly. It's like, you got to understand that the pressure's a little bit higher in Philly.

• 1:39:25Speaker 00

  Like they fired a guy who has a statue outside the, the, outside the stadium two years later. You know, Carson Wentz, they, you know, they draft Jalen Hurts. Part of what makes the Eagles so dynamic is they're always, they say, fuck the rules. We're going to, we're going to make the moves we have to make to, to be a better football team, no matter what. And that, and that doesn't, um, we don't leave the quarterback out of that equation. So I think, uh, you know, to deny that there's pressure on the guy would be ridiculous. It's also ridiculous to say that, you know, he's a bad player, that he, he, he hasn't done what he's done because his resume is, is fantastic. And a lot of teams would love to have Jalen Hurts. You just want to see a little bit more production in the middle of field. You want to see the timing get a little bit better and you want to see the floor raising that passing offense.

• 1:40:09Speaker 00

  I think Dontavion Wicks is going to help them a lot. He's a guy that kind of flies under the radar. He's an awesome man beater guy. Comes over from Green Bay, Virginia guy. So I'm a little bit biased, but I, I think he's going to take a lot of pressure off him. And, uh, you know, the tight ends are, are solid. So we'll see.

• 1:40:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, the quarterback will get a lot of the blame. If it goes bad, they'll boo the quarterback, but please don't boo Deshaun. I think he's been through it off. We can agree, right?

• 1:40:33Speaker 00

  Don't boo Deshaun, dude. That was, is it too much to ask? Just let me stink up a $230 million guaranteed contract for half a decade.

• 1:40:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:42Speaker 00

  Further sink this franchise into obscurity. I can't believe you guys have the audacity to boo a guy with all those civil cases and all that stuff.

• 1:40:48Speaker 02

  Don't boo. What, what did you guys say?

• 1:40:50Speaker 00

  But you know, it's, well, you know, what's funny to me?

• 1:40:52Speaker 02

  Vote.

• 1:40:54Speaker 00

  He was funny to me was the reaction to the Deshaun Watson press conference. Talking heads were like, he's unplayable now. I'm like, now?

• 1:41:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:05Speaker 00

  I'm like, so this is what it took.

• 1:41:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:07Speaker 00

  It wasn't the civil cases. It wasn't the fact that he forgot to play football. And also I think with the Deshaun Watson thing, people that like, a lot of people don't realize this is. If you go look at his hits and sacks in Houston, that guy was getting massacred. He was getting hit more than Burrow and Luck and all that stuff. And so I do think there's a, a physical toll that was taken on the player, even outside the mental stuff.

• 1:41:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. My, my, my latest conspiracy about Deshaun, and I don't really believe this, but it is funny how it, how it worked out. He got that guaranteed contract, $230 million guaranteed. The other owners flipped the fuck out. They almost threw, they almost had, had a riot at Jimmy Haslam. They were like, we cannot give out guaranteed money. This is not the NBA. We can never allow this to happen ever again. And then it actually turned out that it was the perfect cautionary tale. To why you shouldn't give out that much guaranteed money. Where now he went from like, the owners were really like, fuck you, Jimmy Haslam to like, Jimmy Haslam, thank you so much.

• 1:42:07Speaker 00

  Thank you for further proving our point.

• 1:42:09Speaker 02

  And now it'll never happen again. No one's ever going to demand that we give, whether it's a free agent or a big trade that we make, a massive guaranteed contract like that.

• 1:42:17Speaker 00

  No, no question. And the, the sad thing about the, the Browns is they really have drafted well at other positions.

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:24Speaker 00

  I mean, and they did have Baker Mayfield in the building and you know, like Baker won them a playoff game and they torched the Steelers and. And they let the guy go and you know, like, I'm sure they'd still love to have him. But I think, uh, when you look at kind of the, the, the young talent, the Swessingers of the world, the Fannins. You know, the offensive lineman they picked this year looks pretty good so far. Jugkins, the whole thing, it's a very talent heavy roster. Like, or Concepcion, like all these guys, like.

• 1:42:52Speaker 02

  Mason Graham from last year, like they have dudes.

• 1:42:55Speaker 00

  Under the radar. They got dudes and you know, obviously they lose Miles Garrett. And then like under the radar thing, I think Alex Wright hurt his Achilles in, in joint practice. So, you know, the, the, the defense is not going to be maybe what it was last year, obviously. But I think they're building. That's the ironic part. Like it's so easy to get caught up in, in the headliner, which is terrible, which is that contract. But, um, they do have young talent.

• 1:43:19Speaker 02

  You, wait, I have a question about the booing. You, you as a, you as a player, you understand it's our right to boo. Cause actually Kyle had this happen. When, when I remember talking to him right after at the Bears.

• 1:43:30Speaker 00

  Got in his feels.

• 1:43:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. Kyle was like, he called it unacceptable. The Bears fans, we booed after we went down. It was the game we lost to the Dolphins, like Robbie Gold and Brandon Marshall fought after the game in the line, all this stuff. And he, he did a pros game and it was like unacceptable to boo. And I remember talking to him after and be like, dude, you can't say that. Like we have a right, we, it's our right to boo. Whether you like it or not, we, we can boo.

• 1:43:54Speaker 00

  I, I have a unique experience of playing for the St. Louis Rams for eight years on terrible teams. And I don't have to go into details, but you know, there were a lot of fans there that were very gracious towards us. You know, it could have been a lot worse. And a part of that's a midwestern market. It's not a big market. It's not like even a, obviously Chicago's in Midwest, but Chicago's kind of like that, that, that rule breaker where it kind of feels like New York. I didn't have that experience, you know, for me, I, I always tried to keep it pretty cordial with the fans. Just doesn't do you any good, you know, and, and at the end of the day, like I'm making a lot of money to play the game. And you know, like there's people that are spending their last dollar on these increasingly ridiculous ticket prices.

• 1:44:35Speaker 00

  To bring their families to games and that sort of thing. And, and there's people that have suffered a long time and, and they do care. They care in a different way as much as the players like, you know, players, they gotta move on to the next thing. These fans can, you know, they can wallow in it for a week. And so I totally get when fans are pissed off and I might not always agree. And I might say, hey, they're, they're not seeing the full picture, but you're not gonna, you're never gonna win as the millionaire football player being like, hey, you don't have the right to. You know, you paid a hundred dollars for this ticket and you can't boo me.

• 1:45:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. Have you played on teams going into the season? It does feel like this is kind of what, what the Browns are looking like. A great defense, offense, not really anything to expect.

• 1:45:16Speaker 00

  But like. Played on many, many teams like that.

• 1:45:18Speaker 02

  And I can only imagine how frustrating that gets during the season after you guys are playing your dicks off. And you're just like, if you could score one touchdown a game, that would be great for us. But before the season starts.

• 1:45:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:45:29Speaker 02

  You're probably dominating them in, in, uh, in training camp. It's, it's pretty clear to everybody in the locker room that one unit is, is way ahead of the other. What is the, what's the vibe like going into the season before any actual football's been played?

• 1:45:43Speaker 00

  Well, you like to lie to yourself and say, hey, you know, the defense is always ahead of the offense in training camp. That's what it is. It's not that we're very, it's not that we're bad. And you know, a lot of, a lot of bad teams, they spend money in free agency and you'll bring somebody in and. You know, you can mistake, you know, activity for progress. And sometimes as players, we get caught up in that thing where we, we know the, the, you know, the activity that the, the offense is taking in the off season. You're like, well, surely we'll be better. Um, you know, we, we had that for a long time, whether it was quarterback injuries or just a lack of talent. But you know, we hit on some picks up front on defensive line. We had a bunch of first round picks. So, you know, we're getting 50 sacks a year. And this is on a team that's never got a lead. And so like, it's not just the losing of football games.

• 1:46:27Speaker 00

  Like you're affecting our legacies as players. Like you're, you're taking money off, off the table for us. Like, you know, I watched some of these teams, you know, late in my career, I got into some of these good teams. I'm like, man, if I could still run, how fun this would be to play, to, to rush the passer. Prime 25 year old me rushing the passer for the Eagles. We, we haven't been down all season or the Patriots. And so, yeah, it sucks when you, you spend a contract window or the prime of your career as a defensive player watching that. But you know, I, I don't think it ever got to the point where we were like, hey, fuck you guys. Like, you know, it's. You can, you can, you can razz the guys, you can, you can put pressure on them, but bad football teams can't will themselves to get better.

• 1:47:11Speaker 00

  And, and so you kind of look at it and you, you don't throw your hands up, but you say, this is just, this is football. We're in a cycle of a, of a team that's not great. And, um, you try to keep things into perspective and control what you can control.

• 1:47:22Speaker 02

  Did you ever have a teammate, like I'm thinking about the, the Max Crosby situation, how, how weird that must be for him. And probably other people in the locker room too. Have you ever had a teammate like that, that has, uh, like effectively been traded? I thought he was gonna be traded and then they kind of like walk it back after the ports are already out there.

• 1:47:41Speaker 00

  I can't say that I ever had that happen. In, in fact, like I went back to look, it's only happened a couple, a couple of times. I think, uh, you know, Washington had that happen, you know, five, six years ago with a player and, and, um, if I remember correctly. You know, cause there's a lot of people that are saying, hey, the knee, the knee, the knee. Um, there, there are situations that you can point to in the past where teams have balked at physicals like this and took shit for it. And then the player's out of the league two years later. So, you know, I think what, I think what Baltimore did is they just got cold feet straight up. And, and, and they use the physical to, to get out of the thing, uh, you know, and the Trey Hendrickson, he didn't cost you anything.

• 1:48:21Speaker 00

  So it was a weird situation and I, you know, like I, I think Max is, the thing that upset me about it is that Max is like such a consummate raider. And I mean that in the, in the, the old Raiders, not the new Raiders. He's like an old school guy. I put him up there with, you know, those, those grades, including my dad and that sort of thing. And so, um, culturally he's just such a centerpiece. I'd love to see him stay there. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him get shipped this year, man. Like, you know, it's like, that story's probably not over. As soon as I saw him head back to Vegas, I was like, what do you do? Cause you're in the building and, and you're like, man, I'm the best player on the defense. You want me gone?

• 1:48:58Speaker 00

  Like you gotta be fucking pissed and, and, and on top of it now, you, you, you look at like you're Jerry Jones of the world who are like, maybe I could get him for half of what. Now that he's like a distressed asset, maybe I could just ship a one over and get Max Crosby. I don't think that story's over.

• 1:49:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, I agree with that.

• 1:49:14Speaker 00

  All right. Uh, in looking at this upcoming season, do you have a couple of teams? Maybe you're very high on because. Yeah. I've got a couple of teams I'm pretty high on, but I want to hear yours. Dude, I'm addicted to the Bills. I'm always high on the Bills. Okay. It's like a, it's like a problem. I, I, you know, and I just start there because I think you guys have a lot of fun with the, the Bills mafia and that sort of thing. I think that, I think there's a reason to be excited about the defense. Like I thought what happened was a straight up coup with Sean McDermott and, and, uh, and, and the GM getting promoted to, you know, president of football operations, that sort of thing. And, you know, cause honestly, um, it, it's, I look at some of these young players that they have coming in, and I think they could be a lot better defensively.

• 1:49:58Speaker 00

  A lot of it comes down to Jim and you say, hey, well, he's got a, he's got to create pressure because they don't have a great pass rush. I like the TJ Parker kid out of Clemson. Um, I think Bradley Chubb's got some juice left. There's even guys like Michael Hoyt, who, um, you know, he, he played really well for them and then popped his Achilles like immediately. He's kind of a guy that you, you can move around. I'm a big fan of Ed Oliver. I go up and down the roster. The linebacker, that was going to be an issue for them. They, they've got this kid alarms or who, who's pushing for that linebacker two spot. There's a young corner that played really good football for them. It's a name that I still haven't downloaded. It starts with an A, A, Beno, A, Benoason or something like that.

• 1:50:37Speaker 00

  That kid can really play. So there, it's a fun time if you're a fan, because you're looking at some of these young players and you're saying, okay, this is how they flipped this thing in one year. And all they have to do is be, and they have been at times, league average or better. They have to play well in the playoffs. So I think the Bills could be there again, um, with a chance to, to go to the big game. Um, you know, obviously it was the turnovers last year. I think the Houston Texans are. That's one of my teams. They're a machine, dude. Uh, you know, they just need to be league average offensively. Just be, they got a running, running game. If they have a running game that, that can help CJ Shroud, like CJ Shroud doesn't have to be what he was. He just has to be not, he just can't be as bad as he was last year at the end of the year and in that playoff.

• 1:51:21Speaker 00

  And I think he'll, I think he'll be better, dude. He cut his hair. Like when you cut your hair, cut your beard, I have this theory that like, you know, some major growth or change is happening. I also think it's year two in the damn, in the damn system. So that helps a lot. And the fact you get Tank Del back, David Montgomery is a big deal. They revamped the offensive line, but I'm telling you, I went to their joint practice with the Raiders recently and like, when you walk through a building, you can kind of get the personality of the team and, and the vibe. And I'll tell you, I felt like I walked into the big bad wolf's house, dude. Just walk, watching these guys walk around. They are all fucking business and that defense is so fun to watch. And they had Reid Blankenship. They really don't have weaknesses defensively. I can't say that about another team in the NFL. And so that's a major strength.

• 1:52:05Speaker 00

  You know, obviously the Rams, you know, people are already fitting them for their rings and, and they look, they look, I mean, tremendous. You add a Trent McDuffie. He's not just a great corner. He's a Swiss army knife. Your front four is going to be awesome. You had Watson. Um, you know, they're going to get big. They're going to be in 13 personnel, that whole thing. So they challenge people from personnel standpoint. Seattle's going to be good again, man. Like I think a lot of people are, are kind of discounting them. I think the Cowboys are going to be pretty good. That was my other team. I'm, I'm, I hate that I'm doing that. I hate that I am buying into the Cowboys hype. But I think their offense is going to be, you know, top three, if everyone stays healthy and their defense is going to get a lot better than it was.

• 1:52:48Speaker 00

  Caleb Downs. I hate that I'm, I hate that I'm believing in that. Like it sucks. I don't want the Cowboys to be good, but I'm sitting here looking at all these teams. I'm like, what's the team that's gonna, you know, every year there's a couple of teams that go non-playoffs to playoffs. It's like, why, why are the Cowboys not that team? Well, they had a historically bad defense. Right. You know, and, and, and so I, actually I went back and looked at this. It's not, it's not as far fetched. I don't have the numbers at hand, but like there've been a number of defenses that went from like. Worse to top half. Like that's not a far fetched thing. And when you add, you know, the, the Baroms of the world, the Caleb Downs of the world.

• 1:53:27Speaker 00

  I think the kid from, um, um, from, uh, UCF that they did Malachi Lawrence, I was all over him. You know, some people thought that was a reach. I think he's a stud. They, they, I think they're going to get better. Christian Parker, he's running that in vogue Fangio tree thing. Um, you know, so I don't want to leave out, I don't want to leave out, uh, you know, the freaking, um, the Chargers or the, the Ravens are for sure. I mean, like the Ravens defense has a chance to be elite. Um, and, and I think the Bengals are going to be tough to deal with. Al Golden's unit from the first half of the season, the second half of the season, they totally flipped the script. And I think it's easy in the NFL to look at a defense and say, that's just who they are.

• 1:54:10Speaker 00

  But they got a lot of young players and they tinker with some things schematically. In the second half of the season, they were at least, you know, competent. The other team I'll say is, I think the NFC North is tough to figure out. I think the Vikings have a chance to be very good. Every team. Very good. Every team in the NFC North. Like every team in the NFC North. Everyone keeps that, like, what do you think about the, I'm like, I, I think the Bears are going to be a playoff team, but I also think the Lions are going to be way better. They were a very unlucky team last year.

• 1:54:36Speaker 02

  Good schedule for the Lions.

• 1:54:36Speaker 00

  Good schedule. Like they just, they, they had a bunch of games that they should, their offense is going to be elite still.

• 1:54:42Speaker 02

  I don't think they play in the cold outdoors until maybe late December.

• 1:54:45Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's like week 17 or something. And then the pack, once Michael Parsons comes back for the Packers. And then if Kyler Murray can be good, like the NFC North, every team is going to be good. It's, it's up for grabs. And then, and then the other thing is I haven't mentioned the Eagles yet, just because everyone knows. Mahomer and everything, but like, I think the Eagles defense, it's, it's a known commodity. You know, I, I think the Grenard thing with the injury, we'll, we'll see what you get out of him, but he's a really good player. I think Jaylix Hunt is a name to watch. I think Jaylix Hunt is going to go off this year and you know, like they have the bodies up front to stop the run with the light box. We talked about the challenges the offense has to meet, but I think they're going to be very good again.

• 1:55:25Speaker 00

  So I think this year is, um, I kinda, I liken this year in the AFC especially to like if you, the red wedding, if you remember the red wedding. I think it's just going to be, I think it's just, it's going to be, uh, there, the teams in the AFC are very good this year. Yeah. There's not a ton of complete teams in the NFL period, but I think some of the blue bloods kind of get back on the horse a little bit. We didn't talk about Kansas City. Or the Broncos or the Patriots or, yeah, I mean, there's so many, there's a lot of really good teams. I actually think the Steelers, I, I weirdly think the Steelers are going to like their. Talking yourself into this Steelers. I'm not talking myself into the Steelers.

• 1:56:04Speaker 02

  I'm not talking myself into the Steelers. It might be the year where they win a playoff game.

• 1:56:07Speaker 00

  No, I'm not going that far. I do think their defense is going to be good and I think, ah, no, you know what? The, that Steelers are going to look exactly the same. Fuck that.

• 1:56:16Speaker 02

  It's all going to be different.

• 1:56:16Speaker 00

  Here's the, here's the thing nobody says, they, they, it looks like they're going for it. Like they really do have some, some, I like a lot of the additions they made, but the, the thing for me is they won so many close games. The thing that people hated about Mike Tomlin is the reason they never, they never hit the floor. Yeah. You know, like, um, and, and so are you going to win these, these close ballgames? I do agree that the roster looks, looks very good. Um, but is it a better situation that remember when like Brady won in Tampa? Or Peyton Manning won in Denver? Would you say the rosters are better or this roster is better than those rosters? I don't think so.

• 1:56:56Speaker 00

  No, those, those teams had like, like they have to be a top three defense for that to be the case. No question. I don't think they, I, you know, like certainly the way that the, you know, that the payroll on the defense is out of control. And, and I think, I think the Patrick Graham thing is, uh, it's a step in the right direction for sure. But, uh, but yeah, you, they're going to have to rely on a lot of quick game offensively. They really are a lot of run after catch, a lot of quick game, got to run the ball. They did that last year pretty efficiently. We'll see, man, like Rogers, he's still got a freaking cannon. I mean, you know, it doesn't really bear out in some of the, the, the stats or the metrics and you know, the stats will tell you, he wasn't a great quarterback last year or the year before or whatever. But, um, he's still got a, an arm on him. Can they protect him?

• 1:57:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. What do you think about the, uh, about the, the travel situation to Australia to start the year? We, we've talked about it a little bit. It's one of the crazier things that, that I can remember the NFL trying to force down our throats in a long time. The fact that it's Australia and how long that flight is going to be with two different teams, taking like the most, um, the most different approaches to how to handle a clock. It's going to be interesting. I don't know what to make of it. Basically, basically San Francisco is like, we're going to live and become Australian.

• 1:58:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're going to have accents. Brock Purdy is going to, yeah.

• 1:58:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. Brock Purdy saw a dead body early today in the sand. Um, I guess it was Mac Jones. Or, um.

• 1:58:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, he did.

• 1:58:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. Then you got the Rams and they're saying like, we're not even going to be in Australia. We're, we're, we're going to pretend like we're not there. Like this is basically LA.

• 1:58:31Speaker 00

  Dude, there's like two schools of thought with this and you know, like we used to do the international thing and you know, I used to wish we'd go over earlier because I kinda liked London. I actually enjoyed it. Like we'd go look at castles and shit like, you know, just kind of bop around and, um, you know, it's fun to, it's fun to take these road trips as a team. You can get closer as a team, but the Australia thing, I mean, that's like a 16 hour flight, 12 hour flight. I don't know what that is, but it's ridiculous. And you know, the time zones are just totally out of control. Um, the, the sports science people say, and this is what, and shout out to the Rams training, uh, staff and the whole thing. Reggie Scott and those guys, like they are very progressive in the way that they treat injuries, the way that they, they structure their program.

• 1:59:14Speaker 00

  They want to get in and get out, you know, the, the sleep specialist and those guys will tell you, there's no way you, there's no way to acclimate to a new time zone.

• 1:59:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:59:25Speaker 00

  Uh, in, in, in three days, you know, so like, why do it? Just get in and get out like kind of tactical strike that thing. You know, and, and I think, uh, I think it's probably the right thing to do, but, but it's exhausting. And then you look at like what the Rams are going to play the, the Fins, the Cardinals. So the, the, you know, or the Niners are going to play the Fins and the Cardinals when they get back. So the league kind of did them a schedule favor there. But, um, you know, I, not to talk gambling here, but I would just put those plays in now. Yeah. I'd, I'd, I'd, you know, whatever, whatever the Dolphins are against the spread, whatever the Cardinals are, it's just, I can't imagine, I'd have to be proved wrong here. That a team that's limping into the, the NFL season in the car, in the, in the Niners, they got coaches in car accidents, the owners

• 2:00:10Speaker 00

  at a mobile home with a hooker. He's doing shit. Yeah.

• 2:00:14Speaker 02

  Careful.

• 2:00:15Speaker 00

  Doing shit.

• 2:00:16Speaker 02

  We don't know.

• 2:00:17Speaker 00

  Allegedly. Allegedly, it might've been the love of his life.

• 2:00:20Speaker 02

  If this happened, if it's proven to be true, I guarantee you the NFL, they have zero tolerance for that out of an owner.

• 2:00:26Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 2:00:27Speaker 02

  He's, see you, buddy.

• 2:00:28Speaker 00

  See you. You're gone. You're out of here. Yeah. Take a hike. I gave you this take earlier. Jerry Jones and Bob Kraft say not here, dude.

• 2:00:36Speaker 02

  None of my watch.

• 2:00:36Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. Right. Exactly. There's no precedent for anything like this, but, but I do think he has to marry this woman because then it becomes a pretty woman thing and it becomes a feel good story. That would be great. I think he honestly needs to get the sign, like this is finally the, the moment where he can be like, you know what? We got to get rid of the substation because god damn it's making me horny. It's the substation. Just blame it all on the substation, dude. It's making everybody horny and, and hurt. Yeah. Hurt and horny. Too bad. The two H's dude.

• 2:01:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, can't have them.

• 2:01:05Speaker 00

  We don't do that. The two H's.

• 2:01:06Speaker 02

  You can do one, but the second, the other.

• 2:01:08Speaker 00

  We can't be both.

• 2:01:09Speaker 02

  I, I just.

• 2:01:10Speaker 00

  If I'm ever a coach, I might use that two H's. Yeah, the two H's.

• 2:01:14Speaker 02

  I just tweeted this out, but I, I genuinely believe it. I was talking to Zach about it. How horny he had to have been because there's so many chances to turn around.

• 2:01:24Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. He's on the road, man.

• 2:01:26Speaker 02

  If you're going into a trailer park, you, you have to make the drive there. I can't imagine that it's too close to where he's staying as a billionaire.

• 2:01:34Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:01:34Speaker 02

  He has to drive on a highway, maybe pay a toll, go through a toll booth.

• 2:01:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:01:38Speaker 02

  Um, he's got to exit the highway. He's probably got to drive for like 15 minutes on a back road. He's got to pass some weird shady gas stations where you're looking at him. You're like, I shouldn't be in this neighborhood. Like, I don't know what's going on.

• 2:01:49Speaker 00

  Cratom and shit.

• 2:01:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. The real, the, the sketchiest places. Then you have to turn into the trailer park and then.

• 2:01:56Speaker 00

  Endure the looks.

• 2:01:57Speaker 02

  Yes. The looks of the first.

• 2:01:58Speaker 00

  Like why is there a guy in a, in a Mercedes here, dude?

• 2:02:01Speaker 02

  He might've had to like rent a car to drive there because he didn't want to take the Mercedes. Like maybe I'll like rent a Nissan, uh, so they don't raise any eyebrows.

• 2:02:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:02:09Speaker 02

  You pass a couple of people on their porches, they're looking at you like, oh, who's that coming in? You pull up, I can't imagine that the front porch light was, was too bright. So you're not sure if that's the right address of the Craigslist that or whatever.

• 2:02:21Speaker 00

  Trailer doors.

• 2:02:22Speaker 02

  There's so many chances where he could have just, just turned around and jacked off.

• 2:02:26Speaker 00

  But it had to be, it had to have been one of those like, just like brutal hangover horny, like wake up. Internet wasn't fast enough at the Marriott. I don't know. Like what, like what's going on here? But, uh, you know, like maybe it's one of those states where like Pornhub's banned. I, I, I don't know. What, what happens? People should look at that. What, what, what do you think the locker room, like, does that even matter? The owner? Does it matter for anyone in the locker room? Like no one cares. Yeah. No one gives a fuck. The Patriots don't care about what happened this off season. Right. The players, it's about football now. You know, I'm not saying, I'm not saying right, wrong, indifferent. I'm just telling you like. Football. Win the game.

• 2:03:06Speaker 00

  The players are here to play football. There has been much crazier shit that's happened than a guy going, and it sounds crazy. A billionaire going to a trailer park to solicit sex, but that's, those guys will be talking about it. A guy's going to be at practice with his arms crossed, watching the, you know, watching the next practice and the players are going to be like, hey, there he is. Like there's our horny owner, but like, other than that, it's not really going to factor in. It is a crazy off season. I mean, between this and the Kyle Shanahan, like, you know, in the substation, it's nuts. And, and on a, on a serious note, like I, I don't know how the Niners, the Niners, I respect them so much.

• 2:03:43Speaker 00

  I think Kyle Shanahan should get like a lifetime contract because I can't imagine a better coach that, I can't imagine ever saying like, hey, let's take a chance on a new guy. He's such a, a stable commodity. Yeah. The way they played last year with what they had to deal with was not, nothing short of amazing, you know, but you lose Sala. You're, you're kind of, you're, you're changing the defense up a little bit with Raheem coming into town and you know, you've got injuries up front. Kittle's coming off an Achilles, that, you know, the whole thing, like it, the IU situation was bizarre. I, I, I don't know how they don't take a little step back. Yeah. And I say that respectfully because I really respect the program, but, um. And it's also. Enough is enough.

• 2:04:26Speaker 00

  The, the Niners are, I, the Niners still have great top end talent, but when we. It's older. But yeah, and when we always like, whenever a big trade happens and a team trades a couple of first round picks and everyone freaks out. The Niners are kind of an example of that where the Trey Lance trade, they don't have like, they don't have guys that are like coming into their prime. You know what I mean? They have young guys and they have old guys. Yes. And they don't have that like middle, they should have a couple of studs that are in like, they're 25, 26 years old, 24 years old. They just, that, those are the Trey Lance picks, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And, and the Pierce all thing kills you. Yep. You know, like he just, he's a good, he obviously would have been a hit, but physically it just.

• 2:05:08Speaker 00

  He hasn't been able, but if you look back at a couple of their, their drafts, like this is a big year for like the Michael Williams of the world, Alfred Collins, you know, the guys up front that they just CJ West. I do think I liked up, up in style last year. So, you know, John Lynch has taken a lot of shit for drafting. Um, and, and your point's taken. Um, but, but yeah, I mean, a lot of it is, is missing out on the, you know, if you miss, if you, you take a big swing and a miss on a Trey Lance, that, that definitely, you don't even get like a solid starter out of the guy.

• 2:05:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. What about the, uh, what about the Patriots and the way their off season's going? What do you expect from them this season? Because they lost, obviously Diggs not going to be there anymore. And then Booty just got traded to the Texans. So.

• 2:05:50Speaker 00

  Is that how we're saying his name? Cause I can never, is it Bootey or Booty?

• 2:05:54Speaker 02

  I, I always say Booty because it's fun.

• 2:05:56Speaker 00

  Good. Yeah, it's fun. Uh.

• 2:05:58Speaker 02

  We can just agree to say Booty. Yeah.

• 2:05:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's cool. I, I, uh, and you're probably right. Um, I think they're going to be better this year, but I think their, their schedule is gonna, is gonna totally throw that.

• 2:06:09Speaker 02

  Did they have a bad schedule last year?

• 2:06:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, you've heard about this.

• 2:06:13Speaker 02

  Was it weak?

• 2:06:14Speaker 00

  It was evidently it was weak.

• 2:06:15Speaker 02

  Oh, the Patriot. Okay.

• 2:06:17Speaker 00

  You know about this.

• 2:06:18Speaker 02

  No, this is first I'm hearing of it.

• 2:06:19Speaker 00

  Hank, Hank doesn't know.

• 2:06:22Speaker 02

  I can call him and ask him.

• 2:06:23Speaker 00

  Hank asked if you needed to be here today. He said, no.

• 2:06:26Speaker 02

  He's, uh, spent time with his kids today.

• 2:06:29Speaker 00

  I think they're gonna be better. And this is not, I'm not trying to be lazy with my analysis, but I just think the schedule gets harder. There's bound to be a little bit of a regression because they were so, I mean, they were so good last year. I mean, defense, you also think about a defensive coordinator taking over for a D C on the fly. He's not a known commodity. He brings a lot of heat. Um, you know, I thought his pressure packages were incredible. Um, you know, year two in that kind of system. You had Dobbs outside, you had A J Brown. I think A J Brown's got another thousand yard season in him for sure. Like, and you saw that in the Patriots Eagles joint practices. He's still got it. So, and

• 2:07:11Speaker 00

  I'm a big Dobbs fan for sure. I, I think they're gonna be, I think they're gonna be better. But I think, like I said, the AFC is gonna take a, a step forward. I don't know if I mentioned the Chargers earlier, the team that they beat in the playoffs. Like, I'm, you know, I finished the season last year saying, I will never fall for that football team again. Like, I, I don't care how good I think Justin Herbert could be. I don't care how much I like Harbaugh, but I'm never falling for that team again. And now, months later, I'm like, they could win the division. The thing with the Chargers is, I didn't want to leave them out of this discussion. You gotta win in the playoffs. It sounds so obvious, but it's approaching mental at this point. It's, it's approaching, like, you can say

• 2:07:51Speaker 00

  it doesn't factor in, but it absolutely factors in. And I'm a big McDaniel fan. Um, I think this offense is gonna, is gonna look much different. I mean, the Greg Roman stuff got stale. Um, you talk about two, having two all world tackles who weren't out there last year. Now you can get on the edge, you run outside zone and everything comes with it. Get the ball out of Herbert's hands a little faster. I think they've got a chance to be very good. Um, so I didn't want to leave the Chargers out either in the AFC. It's, it's, the Chargers are, are just that team that I, I find myself, I would just keep falling in love with the idea of them. And then every year I should be like, well, what did I expect? The Chargers have a toxic past. They're a beautiful woman with a toxic past.

• 2:08:35Speaker 02

  But sometimes we love that messy shit.

• 2:08:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, like so, we're Jed York driving into the mobile home.

• 2:08:40Speaker 02

  Something hot about it.

• 2:08:41Speaker 00

  Exactly. Fuck, man, I shouldn't be doing this. I shouldn't be here.

• 2:08:44Speaker 02

  I would just slum it with Justin Herbert again. Like that's.

• 2:08:47Speaker 00

  You remember when Harbaugh was living in an RV last year? Yeah. A couple of years ago. Yeah. When he first took the job. Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:08:53Speaker 02

  That's a mobile home. Yeah.

• 2:08:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. Probably a different kind of mobile home.

• 2:08:56Speaker 02

  That's what I'm talking about. Knocked on his door. Yeah.

• 2:08:59Speaker 00

  That's football.

• 2:09:01Speaker 02

  So can, can I ask you about the commanders and can you promise to answer me in a way where you won't completely break my heart?

• 2:09:08Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:09:09Speaker 02

  Okay. My expectation for the commanders is, uh, they're going to make the playoffs. I think the defense is going to be much better than last year. And all this is with a giant caveat of, uh, Jaden Daniels staying healthy. Um, the defense, can I be, do I have the right to be a little bit excited about the defense, given that they've gotten so much younger and they have maybe a new Dr. Heat or like, the new Exotica guy?

• 2:09:38Speaker 00

  I, I almost bet their over win total and I'm glad I didn't because the next day Tunsil got hurt. I think that's a big one.

• 2:09:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:45Speaker 00

  It's a big one. Now they have some solid depth there, but that's a big one. I think the digs really, the digs thing really helps. You know, it helps in the middle of the field. Um, it helps in the money downs. Like he's the guy that's going to get open and you know, you can, McLaurin's going to stretch the field and that sort of thing. Chig, Chigakonkwo,

• 2:10:05Speaker 00

  really athletic guy, got to catch the football. He's had the drops a little bit, but I like, I like the player. Um, I, I actually like, I think the offense, I, I, anything Ben Johnson right now, that's the Blau thing. Like, although he's really young, I mean, it's crazy. These coordinators now are like, you know, little babies, man. But, um, I think the offense is gonna be fine. The defense for me, there were some additions that excited me. We'll see about the Sonny Stiles thing. I, I think the Amique Robertson thing is a low key big signing. He was such a tough player for them in the slot in Detroit. And you talk about like, you talk about playing physical and not getting flagged, that, that, and being a little guy, like he's a very unique talent. I think the cross guy that you got from Indy

• 2:10:50Speaker 00

  is a tremendous player. So I like the way they shored up their secondary a little bit. The kid from Ole Miss last year, the corner, he, he's gonna take a step. Amos, big, strong, long guy.

• 2:11:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:01Speaker 00

  Um, so I, there's a lot to be excited about. I, I do think up front, like always got a lot to live up to with that contract. I think you'll probably get a player that you're like, hey, man, he's a good football player. He's a good rusher, but like we, we probably overpaid a little bit. Um, and, and then you had, uh, Chazon and free agency and that sort of thing. Like it, it's, it's kind of going to be a sum of the parts type front seven, and you've got to bring pressure and you just alluded to that. So, um, I, I'm excited to, I'm excited to see them play. I mean, I, you know, I'm not crazy excited. I was a lot more excited before Tunsil got hurt.

• 2:11:35Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:11:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:11:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm with you. But Brandon Coleman, he was, he was the, uh, left tackle when the commanders got to the NFC championship game. So.

• 2:11:43Speaker 00

  No question.

• 2:11:43Speaker 02

  He's not bad, but yeah, you're right. Laramie Tunsil is, he's one of the, I'd say like four or five really like game changing left tackles that you have.

• 2:11:51Speaker 00

  You can leave him alone. You can say, hey, Laramie, you're on an island or Laramie, we're gonna run, we're gonna run off tackle and like, you know, while he's not Penny Sewell in the run game, like he definitely helps get the ball on the edge. So there's some concepts, maybe some pin pulls that you're not as excited about, or you know, some stretch action type things that you're not excited about. I just think it has a trickle down effect. Yep. Yeah. All right. Uh, last question, Roback question. R H O B A C K dot com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase. Qsips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com promo code take. Everyone do listen to the green light pod. Uh, Chris is the best with the boys. Uh, we gotta do this again. Man. It wants football. By the way, look at that. Look at all those books. You're a part of it. Yeah.

• 2:12:34Speaker 00

  I know. I talked to the guy and he was like, I'll send you a copy before it comes out. I never, I never saw. Listen, we, yeah, we, we, this book, uh, there's, there was some, some errors in this book that we made that, that, that, uh, I think make, give it, give it character. Give it, give it life. Like you're looking for something. Well, no, I mean, I, I, we joked about it, but I did, I opened the parentheses on, on page nine and never closed it. So, yeah, yeah. So like that kind of shit. It's the first book, man. It's the first book. Yeah. Our second book, we'll start with the closed parentheses.

• 2:13:04Speaker 02

  I've been, uh, I've been manually adding a couple of parentheses to a few books that I've seen in stores. So that's like, you know, some very limited edition copies.

• 2:13:11Speaker 00

  We got it. Yeah.

• 2:13:12Speaker 02

  Get closed out. If you'd be like, if you have OCD, this is approved for you.

• 2:13:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. But thank you for, for taking the time because you can't tell the, the history of Pardon My Take without, without Chris. Uh, Zach, go, take it away.

• 2:13:25Speaker 04

  How we doing today? Uh, Chris, I did have a quick question.

• 2:13:27Speaker 00

  What's up, brother?

• 2:13:28Speaker 04

  What's going on, my man?

• 2:13:28Speaker 00

  Have you ever met Zach in person? I don't think. We gotta get that, we gotta get that together.

• 2:13:33Speaker 04

  I don't believe so. I think he's virtually here, but it's great to meet you for the first time, man.

• 2:13:36Speaker 00

  Yo, nice to meet you. All, all y'all's dudes in the back are awesome there. So. Yeah. I know Zach's awesome.

• 2:13:42Speaker 04

  Uh, I was wondering, uh, would you consider yourself a better football player or outdoorsman? Because what you can do on a kayak and kind of the side of a mountain is incredibly impressive.

• 2:13:51Speaker 00

  Hmm. I honestly, that's a damn good question because I was pretty good football.

• 2:13:56Speaker 06

  Football player, but I wasn't like, you know,

• 2:14:00Speaker 06

  I'm pretty good, dude. I like, listen, I can, I can paddle on an eighth of mushrooms with the best of them. So if that were a sport, I think I'm pretty good at that. I mean, I did nine miles yesterday. And, uh, you know, it's just, I love being outside, man. You know, and I, yeah, I wouldn't say I'm like a real mountaineer or anything like that, but I have, I have somebody kill you a few times and I like to be outside.

• 2:14:27Speaker 00

  Is there a future? Is there a future in the Olympics? I know they have like kayaking. You should try.

• 2:14:33Speaker 06

  No, dude, no, I can't. I don't know how to flip yet. If you guys, you guys know whitewater kayaking?

• 2:14:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:14:39Speaker 06

  You know how guys can, can roll and flip like, you know, if you get dumped and I, I can't yet. I'm, I'm too big. Like it just doesn't, I mean, I barely fit in my boat. So I think there's some factors that are going to keep me out of the Olympics, but, if you guys come down to the James River one day, guys, we, we, I mean, it's not far.

• 2:14:57Speaker 00

  We, we were talking, we, Chris and I were talking, maybe, maybe grit week, we, we float a river. It would be fun.

• 2:15:04Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, it would be so great, man. But, but yeah, no, I, I, I don't know, man.

• 2:15:10Speaker 06

  Whether it's football or the outdoors, I'm just trying to have a good time, guys.

• 2:15:13Speaker 00

  Love it. I love it. You're the best, Chris. Uh, thank you as always, and, uh, can't wait for football. You can finally, maybe show, maybe when we run this on Wednesday, throw out that tweet, be like, only 14 days to football. I could finally, I could finally say goodbye to my family.

• 2:15:31Speaker 06

  Well, no, that's the whole point. Like first the kids go to school, you don't see them. And then second, you're like, hey, Sunday mornings, I'll see you Monday night. Like that's, it's hard. It's, it's, it's a tough life being a podcaster.

• 2:15:41Speaker 02

  You know what you could do? You could say like only 14 days, but for 14, have like a player whose jersey number is 14.

• 2:15:47Speaker 00

  Oh, that's good.

• 2:15:48Speaker 02

  That would be a fun way to do it.

• 2:15:50Speaker 06

  I've never seen that before.

• 2:15:51Speaker 02

  Amon Ra St. Brown. People are like, what are you, what do you mean? It's only Amon Ra St. Brown days until football.

• 2:15:57Speaker 06

  I've never seen that before, dude.

• 2:15:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, that'd be fucking crazy.

• 2:16:01Speaker 06

  Try that.

• 2:16:03Speaker 00

  All right. Thank you, Chris. You're the man.

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  Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is Seth Wickersham, who is a New York Times bestselling author, uh, which I think we're going to run this next week. So maybe we are as well at that time, but you have a new book coming out on September 15th called Be On That Hill. And Seth, it's the stories from the summits of sport. Seth, you wrote a book about sports and used a Bruce Springsteen lyric. Yeah. This is like Nirvana for, for all, like, you know, older dudes, older than 50 years old. Like, why didn't we release this right on Father's Day? Because this is incredible. It was, it was a big marketing miss right there, but thanks, guys. Good to be here, man.

• 2:18:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. So, so you're here. So, all right. So let's talk about the book first, then we have a bunch of questions because you are a fascinating figure. A, we always joke when a Seth Wickersham, like byline drops, it's like, oh, so we're about to learn some things that no one wanted to see in the light of day.

• 2:19:00Speaker 02

  I think the last 10 years, you might be number one. If not, you're definitely top three. Don't pick up the phone guy.

• 2:19:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:19:05Speaker 02

  If you get a call from Seth Wickersham, don't pick, don't answer that call. It's not good for you. And I mean that as a true compliment.

• 2:19:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, I mean, you got my phone number. I don't know how you just text me out of nowhere. You're like, hey. It's not that hard. Okay. Yeah. All right. I, I realize that. And maybe it might've been the person who wrote the foreword for your book. I realized that afterwards. All right. So, so this book though, uh, what, what, what exactly are you like writing about and, and what's, what's going into it? What are the stories, people you talk to? Yeah. I mean, it's a collection. So it's kind of like your greatest hits, which is a weird thing to do because first of all, you're like, do I have any hits? And then you're like, You have hits. And then you're like, okay, you know, then you realize you have, you pull way too many of them and you're like, I know I don't have that many fricking hits. So you have to call it down, but,

• 2:19:51Speaker 00

  you know, a collection's a special thing and you know, it's, they're rare and it's kind of funny. It's, um, it's a huge ego trip and also kind of absurd because you can Google any of those stories, basically. Yeah. Find them for free. Yeah. But, um, uh, I realize that might not be the best selling point, but it's true. Yeah. And, um, but it was cool to do and it was, you know, I don't know about you guys, but like, I'm not wired to reflect. Like, yeah, by the time, you know, I've spent so much time on these stories that when they're out in the world, I don't ever look back at them. And it was cool to look back at your career a little bit. I mean, you guys experienced it yourself with yours and see who you were at certain moments, where you were.

• 2:20:36Speaker 00

  And the memories that some of those stories brought up was pretty cool.

• 2:20:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is true. Like if you're not wired that way, when you do put them all together, it does, it does hit you a little bit harder. Since you haven't taken that time to look back. And yeah, you've got bangers. You've got some hits. You are, uh, you're one of my favorite journalists in the entire world. It might be from a very personal place. I, I credit you, Dan Van Natta, Natta? How do you pronounce his last name?

• 2:20:59Speaker 00

  Don Van Natta.

• 2:20:59Speaker 02

  Don Van Natta and, uh, and Jim Ursay as the big three that took down Dan Snyder. And I will forever be grateful to you for that. Growing up a Redskins fan in Northern Virginia and seeing what he did to that, really that city.

• 2:21:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:21:15Speaker 02

  It was awful, but you were like, you were like a dog, you know, just chasing after that car. You were, you were right on his bumper the entire time. Was that, was that hard for you? Because I know that he has, you know, he's threatened people. He's, uh, said that he had blackmail on Roger Goodell. Like, did you ever fear that, that he was going after you as well?

• 2:21:32Speaker 00

  No, and maybe that's naive, but we never did. We did that story. So that was, um, fall, I think of 21, when we did that story. And, you know, I was poking around on a Dan Snyder story for a while and I was struggling to get what I thought. I had pieces of reporting, but I didn't have a story. And, you know, we knew that he was putting private eyes on people, or at least talking about putting private eyes on people. But I think Bruce Allen came out at Congress and confirmed everything. But, uh, I, I know I was talking to Don, he had just finished a story on Rob Manfred, I think. And I was talking to him and I said, you know, do you want to work together on this thing? Cause I'm, I have pieces of reporting, but I don't have a story.

• 2:22:17Speaker 00

  And he was like, yeah. And he had it immediately. He said, you know, how has he survived? Like that's, we should write about how he survived because the Washington Post had done all those stories. And so that was the question. And so once we had that framing, Tisha Thompson came in and helped too, but we just like attacked that. That was fun. And it came out and, um, you know, obviously there's a lot of stuff in that story about the things that he had done.

• 2:22:47Speaker 00

  You know, he had had an entire PowerPoint presentation at the league office that the league office called the blackmail PowerPoint. Where he was basically saying like, if you guys, and, and, um, you know, his lawyers presented it and, and, you know, if you, if you try to touch me, this is what's coming. Yeah. Um, so flagrant. Um, but anyway, the story came out and I remember I drove down to the league meetings. And it was in New York, downtown New York. And they had started, if you, I don't think you guys have really been to those meetings, but you know, it's, it's basically a bunch of like reporters sitting around in a lobby. There's really not a lot going on. Yeah. And Ursay kind of came in late and he, he moved slow.

• 2:23:31Speaker 00

  And he stopped at the, the, the meetings were going on upstairs and he stopped at the base of the stairs. And I think all the press were kind of like, is he just waiting for us to come talk to him? And so everyone kind of slowly. Came over to him and I'm not covering the news off the meeting. So I'm not like the first one in there and he was talking low and I was like, wait a second. I think he's talking about Snyder. And he obviously had read the story and was making a very calculated stand right there. And I thought that that was, again, those things, I think, all kind of helped trigger the league to force him to sell.

• 2:24:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. The blackmail PowerPoint, when you get to a point where you're openly, you're threatening Roger Goodell. That's, that's the one thing. Cause I feel like owners, and maybe you can tell me if this isn't true, but I feel like NFL owner is a very, very hard job to get, I guess you could call it fired from, but to lose. It's a tough job to lose and you have to do something extraordinarily stupid to get kicked out of that club. Is that a fair assessment?

• 2:24:30Speaker 00

  I mean, I think you have to do a series of extraordinarily stupid things that your own owners find distasteful. And there's a disconnect between what the public finds distasteful and what the owners do. And I think that Snyder was a great example of that because the Washington Post did all their stories about the workplace atmosphere, the harassment, how toxic that was. I mean mildly, and he survived it. It had gone away. Everyone knew that. And he was kind of laying low, hoping that everything would pass. And then it was our story where it came out that he really was going after his colleagues.

• 2:25:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:10Speaker 00

  And Roger, that I think, you know, was like, we're done with this guy.

• 2:25:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. The second you start withholding money.

• 2:25:20Speaker 00

  That too.

• 2:25:21Speaker 02

  There's the appearance of withholding money. It's like, we overlooked the 20 allegations of sexual harassment.

• 2:25:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:25:27Speaker 02

  But the second the owners think that you might be shortchanging them, it all kind of flips on a little bit.

• 2:25:31Speaker 00

  I still think if he had gotten a stadium done, he probably would have survived. Which is crazy. Yeah. It speaks to the NFL. Yeah. That's the language they speak.

• 2:25:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, that's, that's a good segue to what's going on right now with, with the Bears.

• 2:25:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:25:43Speaker 02

  Um, that whole thing, me and Big Cat kind of had the same mentality, which is it's not over till it's over. And everything could be a negotiating point. We've seen in sports before that deals are done and then they're not done all of a sudden. So, um, do you know, do you have any, are you plugged in at all to the, uh, the back and forth? Like what do you see from the Bears ownership group?

• 2:26:01Speaker 00

  I mean, the only thing I, and I've limited exposure to this. I haven't written anything about it, but like, I think that, um, I think the Bears felt frustrated that they couldn't seem to get the attention of the governor and they had to do something. And, you know, I think that there's a general frustration that some of these big markets are underachieving in the NFL and that, you know, the Bears should have had a stadium by now. And the, you know, the NFL presence in the city of Chicago should be much more glitzy and modern than it is. I think that like with the Giants, that's another example of like, um, huge market and the Jets, huge market, can't quite get these teams relevant.

• 2:26:46Speaker 00

  And, um, so, you know, we've seen situations like this. The 49ers go into Santa Clara. Um, the Chiefs are obviously going to, you know, move to Kansas and I don't think the Bears were dying to go to Indiana, but they're definitely willing to do it. It's also, I mean, knowing how this all has gone down too, like the Bears are also, it's a mom and pop shop. And I say that like, not in a disrespectful way, but it's, there are certain owners and you know this by talking to everyone, like there are certain owners, they, the McCaskey's own this, the Bears, because their, their great grand or grandfather started football a hundred plus years ago. And

• 2:27:29Speaker 00

  that's all the money they have is in this franchise. So they don't have the means to do some of the other things that some of these other franchises are able to do. And so they need the, they need the state of Illinois to give them a bunch of breaks and stuff, and they weren't doing that right away. So they, they're using leverage. I think Goodell is eventually going to come in and be like, you have to go to Arlen tonight's. And I think that's probably how it's going to all settle. But who knows? It's all a mess. It feels like we've been talking about it for far too long and they just need to get it done. And, and these things, you know, there is some nuance to it. And these stadiums always end up being so much more expensive than people think. So like, when you go back to 2016, we had the Derby for

• 2:28:09Speaker 00

  Los Angeles and, um, Van Ad and I wrote about, and I put it in the book and, you know, it was this, one of the worst falls, I think, to be an NFL owner, because people were just out for each other. You had Jerry Richardson fighting against Jerry Jones. You had Cronkite versus Spanos. You had Mark Davis floating around in there, kind of threatening to go to LA. You had the league that didn't want the Raiders to go to LA, but they really didn't know what to do to try to solve this, this problem. Cronkite buys this land and he presents the owners a $2.7 billion stadium.

• 2:28:47Speaker 00

  You know, we all see, and it's a, it's a beautiful facility. I mean, that stadium ended up costing close to $6 billion. Right. Before it was done. That's crazy. And like, not many people can write a check like that. And, um, you know, so I think that's why you have these situations. The Chargers were like that, where they kind of defaulted to LA.

• 2:29:08Speaker 00

  You know, now they're in LA. It's hard to tell like what fans they have. Right. But, you know, they, they felt like they had to do it. Um, and, you know, it's like, how do the Bears navigate this better and smarter? And I don't know really if there's a way because, you know, again, their ownership can't just write a check for $5 billion. Right. They don't have the means to do that.

• 2:29:30Speaker 02

  For the longest time, the NFL owners had, they had the boogeyman of Las Vegas. That was like, hey, if, if you don't pony up, if we don't get the tax money.

• 2:29:37Speaker 00

  And LA.

• 2:29:38Speaker 02

  And LA. Yeah. Those are the two. It's like, we can go to Vegas and we can go to LA.

• 2:29:42Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 2:29:42Speaker 02

  Now they're 0 for 2. What is the next boogeyman that they can, they can, is it just Indiana?

• 2:29:47Speaker 00

  It's London.

• 2:29:48Speaker 02

  Indiana is going to take every team.

• 2:29:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. Is it London? Yeah. Um, that's a great question. I mean, I don't see a lot of them, you know? I, I think that like, I think people would, I don't, I don't see a lot of places left, you know? Maybe there's none left and maybe that's something that, maybe that's why Roger comes out and says, you know, we'll see a team overseas at some point. I mean, the logistics of doing that is going to be incredibly difficult. It's gonna suck.

• 2:30:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. That, when he said that, it did feel like that's, he's propping up London as, as the next spot. And then obviously everybody says, oh, the Jaguars, but, but I don't think Shad Khan's going to do that. He just invested a lot of money into Jacksonville.

• 2:30:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:30:25Speaker 02

  So like, I mean, not to tie everything back. I, I am like, um, Charlie Day and Always Sunny. When I hear something like that, I'm like, Dan Snyder is going to take the team. He's going to do an expansion.

• 2:30:35Speaker 00

  He's there, right?

• 2:30:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. An expansion team in London. Like, would, would, do you see it being an expansion team?

• 2:30:39Speaker 00

  I never thought of that.

• 2:30:40Speaker 02

  That would be crazy if there was an NFL, like an expansion draft. We haven't had one in a very long time.

• 2:30:44Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 2:30:44Speaker 02

  Um, but in today's day and age, seeing that happen again would be absolutely nuts, especially if the team, the players that get selected.

• 2:30:50Speaker 00

  Have to live.

• 2:30:51Speaker 02

  You're telling them, you gotta go live in London now.

• 2:30:53Speaker 00

  I think they have to pay taxes there.

• 2:30:55Speaker 02

  Well, all athletes do. It's crazy.

• 2:30:57Speaker 00

  I talked to.

• 2:30:58Speaker 02

  You should do a report on that, that athletes pay taxes.

• 2:31:00Speaker 00

  I talked to owners at some point about like, how this would work. Cause again, when the Jaguars were kind of in their situation, there was some talk about, would they spend half the year there? And I think they were talking about like, you know, would the London team be in the States straight consecutively for half the season? Would they work out of some facility like in Austin or Atlanta or wherever it might be? Um, that kind of helped make sense for them. You know, I think the logistics would be complicated. Um, but I also don't think the league care, if the opportunity is there, the league is funny because they are incredibly slow moving and cautious on a lot of things unless there's a direct revenue pathway. Right.

• 2:31:44Speaker 00

  And it's immediate and they will move incredibly fast in that situation. And so.

• 2:31:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:31:49Speaker 00

  They'll, they'll definitely like figure out the logistics if they think that this is like worth doing and would benefit everybody.

• 2:31:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. You've got a, you've got a very close relationship with people. I don't know if you have one with Tom Brady himself, but like people that are in Tom Brady's inner circle, it seems. And you've done a lot of reporting on him, some really good stuff. What do you think it is that makes Tom Brady go? Like, man, because we, we saw him as like a uniquely competitive driven person. And I think a lot of that was out of like, fuck you energy when he was, uh, when he's on Patriots and still then on the, on the Bucks. And, but he still seems to have that, that edge to him now, post playing and as a part owner of the Raiders. Like what do you think is at his core that drives the guy?

• 2:32:36Speaker 00

  It becomes a curse, you know, without the game, without a place to deposit it. But I met Tom for the first time. We were, we both graduated from college the same year and ESPN magazine sent me to Foxborough in October of 20, of 2001 to write about the guy who was filling in for True Blood so well. And I had heard of Brady, obviously, but I didn't know a lot about him. We met at the old Foxborough Stadium, which as you guys remember, it was like a high school field. We walked through the team shop to some office. Nobody stopped him. He was wearing like a gray sweatsuit with a backpack. He looked like a college junior. And, you know, we sat down and we talked and we kind of felt like two, I don't

• 2:33:20Speaker 00

  say peers, but it was like, we were both ambitious people getting our breaks at the exact same time.

• 2:33:25Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 2:33:26Speaker 00

  And there was a little bit of a kinship there. And, um, I'll never forget. He's like, you know, football's always come really easy to me. And I wasn't, I didn't have the perspective at the time to appreciate. What he was saying as a 24 year old, but um, I, I think that like, you know, at the final, I was like, who's, who's saying this stuff? You know what I mean? This guy, but whatever. Um, but I look back on stuff like that. And I think that there's just an innate confidence. And if you look at his high school clips, you know, the guy could always throw. He's always had like an incredible arm. It was just in kind of a gangly body. And then you have, you know, that little worrying piece of insecurity that's always within you that gets you out of bed.

• 2:34:11Speaker 00

  And he's had it to the nth degree. And there was years later, I, um, I was writing a story about him and he said, come by my house. He was in Boston and it was, um, I'll never forget, it's a townhouse in the back bay and you, the elevator entered into his living room. And I walked in and no one was there. And I'm going like, is this kid's going to come around, around the corner and wonder like, who the hell is this guy in our house? I'm standing in Tom Brady's living room, wondering like, what the hell to do?

• 2:34:42Speaker 00

  And he's like, Hey, you know, I'll be right up. Just make yourself comfortable. He was the only one home. But he was at a little bit of a crossroads in his career at that point where I think Bill was starting to think about post Tom life. He had been, they hadn't won a Superbowl in close to 10 years. He was developing a lot of the TB 12 stuff that would become his kind of religion. And, um, you know, he, he was a young man or he's, you know, I guess 35, but young, but middle aged. He was a young father and I was kind of trying to talk to him about that. And I was knowing how competitive he is and how intense he is, I still underappreciated his drive.

• 2:35:26Speaker 00

  And he was like, there is absolutely no off switch, like nothing changes. And the things that he did during that year, I think, set the stage for what he did during the last 10 years of his career. He said, like very nonchalantly, and I think this was the first time he said, you know, my, my first 10 years in the league prepared me for, have prepared me for my, what'll be my last 10. And I was like, what? Again, it was like, football's always come really easy to me. I'm like, what are you saying? Right. You know, whatever, dude, but like, he meant it. And I think that like, when he says something, he means it to the bottom of his soul. So I think all of those things are the things that like, kind of create this mosaic. That's created, you know, the greatest football player ever.

• 2:36:08Speaker 00

  Do you think that like Brady, looking at everything that happened with Brady and Belichick at the end? I mean, winning six Superbowls, the dynasty, and then the end of it. Brady had more closure than Belichick because Belichick feels like he's never really had closure on it with how it all ended. Brady goes, wins a Superbowl. He's now on, you know, doing the, the, the biggest game of the week on Fox and all these things. But Belichick, it feels like that's the greatest coach of all time. And it's kind of been a weird final chapter. Yeah. You know, I mean, he opened the door for Brady, you know, the, look, the, the exit had been brewing for years. Yeah. What year was it like? Did you, did you start reporting on it or seeing or hearing about it?

• 2:36:50Speaker 00

  So it was after the Falcons, Superbowl, and I think that like, they had gotten five together. Brady was coming out with this TB 12 business and kind of doing a lot of promotion for it, which was very atypical for a Patriot. Right. And very atypical for Brady. And I think he wanted a contract that would like solidify his status there for a bit. Hey, let's fricking make another run, you know, let's do all this stuff. And Belichick, you know, wanted Brady as his quarterback to a point. And I think that he was just, he presented Kraft a study at one point. That showed how quarterbacks drop off after maybe age 35, 36. And of course Brady looks at something like that and it's like, fuck that. I'm gonna like, take your study and, you know, and.

• 2:37:33Speaker 00

  But, you know, Bill planned for, he was invested in Garoppolo. And so you had all of these things going on at the same time. And, you know, then you had Alex Guerrero in the building and, you know, his presence was causing some problems. The receivers were like, do we go to Guerrero rather than the Patriots doctors to get in with Tom? Like, you know, what are we doing? And, um, you know, Belichick had to make some decisions. You know, he curtailed Guerrero's access, traded Jimmy, something he didn't really want to do. And, you know, it's like a lot of that turmoil and some of it spilled out into public. You know, I wrote about it, others did too. But like, you know, you saw, remember Brady had that game against Jacksonville in the championship where he had cut his hand. He'd split his hand open during the week.

• 2:38:18Speaker 00

  Miles Jack. Yes. And he, um, you know, rallies him, I think from 10 down in the fourth quarter, you know, with a bandage on his throwing hand. Yeah. And, you know, they asked Bill after the game to say, you know, what about this performance? You know what I mean? And he's like, you know, it's not open heart surgery. And I probably could do a better impression. Yeah. And I think that like, it just got complicated and Brady knew that he was going to leave. And then of course he leaves, lands with Tampa, they look middling through most of the season, then they just catch fire. Yeah. And, you know, Brady cosmically won the narrative. And, you know, does that bother Bill? I don't think so. Cause I mean, I think Bill's pretty secure in his legacy.

• 2:39:04Speaker 00

  Although Don and I's story about him not getting in the Hall of Fame, you know, that was a shocker. Yeah.

• 2:39:11Speaker 00

  But like, I think that like, I think they're in a good place now, but, um, you know, how Bill's career has played out after he opened the door for Brady to leave, you know, it, it.

• 2:39:26Speaker 00

  It's, it's dinged it a little bit and I don't think it takes away. I think that like, when the one paragraph about Belichick in the Hall of Fame is written, it's not going to say. He let Tom Brady, he opened the door for Brady to walk out and Brady did. It's going to talk about all of his accolades, but that's, it's part of his legacy. Yeah. And, and do you put any stock in, uh, some of the rumors that were going around the Superbowl of like, you know, Brady was acting weird. Saying he didn't have a dog in the fight with the Patriots in the Superbowl. Like, do you think that there's any lingering animosity between Tom and the franchise? I mean, I don't know, but it doesn't surprise me that he would say that because, you know, Kraft backed Bill's decision to let him leave. So, you know, he did a lot for that team and that team did a lot for him, but like, it doesn't surprise me at all.

• 2:40:10Speaker 00

  I mean, you know, the, the word competitiveness is interesting because it gives some of these guys carte blanche to act in really kind of bizarre ways, under the guise of competitiveness. And you've seen it, you know, with Jordan throughout the years, you know, all the, you've seen a lot of examples of it. Joe Montana, you know, kind of like nitpicking at Brady's career, even though it's Joe fricking Montana. Right. Um, wait, did you write that story about Joe Montana? Right, did, right, Thompson did. Yeah, great story. That was a fascinating story. It was. Yeah. And, um, uh, but, you know, it took years for Montana and a lot of work by Jed York to get Montana back in the sort of 49ers family. Right.

• 2:40:55Speaker 00

  He was like, look what I did for you guys. And you wouldn't even give me a chance to win my job. Right. To compete. And, you know, I think that like those scars are deep scars and Brady had accomplished so much. And then, you know, he ends up leaving. Um, so no, it didn't surprise me at all that he would say something like that. Yeah. So, so where, where do you think, like, do you think Belichick has any chance of going back to the NFL that is that is past? Yeah, I mean, no. It's kind of crazy when you think about it, like he, that he's not going to get the record. We all kind of had it as a foregone, gone conclusion, like this guy is, he is the greatest coach, whether record or no record. But I think if you ask anyone in the world in 2019, 2020, even when Brady leaves, you're like, yeah, of course he's going to get the record.

• 2:41:40Speaker 00

  He's going to coach for a few more years, probably win 10, 11 games. And even if he gets fired, someone will hire him in a second and none of that happened. None of that happened. And Van Aden and Jeremy Fowler wrote about it. And, you know, the Falcons, he didn't finish in the top three of any, any of their decision makers, their circle of trust. They ranked their candidates and he didn't finish in anyone's top three. I mean, that is a huge. And look, I like Raheem Morris and, you know, I think Raheem in a good situation would be a really good head coach. You know, they made their decision, but, um. Yeah. I mean, Raheem Morris is better, better person than football coach.

• 2:42:21Speaker 00

  Well, it's just, it's just like, you know, I think, and, and I wrote this story on Sean Payton where I spent the. Playoffs with him and you know, he was so offended that he always says our league had no place for Belichick and he actually thought of an idea where he would like hire Bill as the head coach, step aside, run the offense until Bill got the record because he just thought it was so embarrassing and a bad reflection of the league that someone with that credential is not getting a job and it's still, it still is one of those sentences that should, like again, there's these sentences with Bill that shouldn't make sense at this point, but like, you know, Bill Belichick couldn't find a job in the NFL is a sentence that makes no sense.

• 2:43:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. Bill Belichick wasn't a first ballot Hall of Famer is a sentence that makes no sense. And yet they're, they're true.

• 2:43:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. It was, was Sean Payton serious about that? Like was, because we all have weird, Sean Payton especially, he's got, he's a little bit crazy. He's got weird thoughts when it comes to football and they've been, you know, kind of a difference maker in his career that have, you know, he does things like an onside kick to start half of the Superbowl. But how serious was he about?

• 2:43:29Speaker 00

  Called a fake punt in overtime against the Bills in my story. I mean, holy cow on fourth and 11. Yeah. Um, it was more than a fanciful thought, but it wasn't a fully formed plan. I mean, it would have been just too complicated at the end of the day. It's just, it was a fanciful idea, but he did think about it.

• 2:43:46Speaker 02

  What, um, who did you read growing up? Who were your, like, uh, your authors that you looked at that made you want to get into this?

• 2:43:53Speaker 00

  Rick Riley, Rick Teller, um, Gary Smith, and then later on, you know, Tom Gino, Jim Murray, Mike Wilbon, you know, Mike, I entered at the Washington Post and I didn't have a car and the NBA draft was in DC that year and he gave me a lift in his press box. There's his license plate was press box with one S, I think, or maybe no, oh, I can't remember, but I was like, you know, that's, that's awesome. That's interesting. You know, those are the guys that I read and, um,

• 2:44:22Speaker 00

  you know, when you're young, you're, you're so impressionable. And then, you know, as you, I had dinner last night with Rick Teller, who's like, uh, you know, not only a good friend, but just like a hero of mine. And, um, it's a special thing to kind of like grow into your own and then have these relationships that as a kid, you just didn't see that happening. Yeah. It's kind of similar. I mean, we, we have a relationship with, uh, you know, like Chris Berman that we, that we, we just cherish. It's in your book. Yeah. We wrote about it, like Scott Van Pelt, all, Joe Buck, all these guys. It's like, it's pinch me moments. We were like, shit, I, um, I can consider these guys friends now. Yeah. What's, what's the hardest part of your, about your job? Like when you're trying to get

• 2:45:07Speaker 00

  someone to tell you something and like, how does that process work? Cause we were joking before, like, I don't really understand. We're not journalists, never, never claimed to be. I don't really get how you guys are able to do it, uh, as well as you are, because it always feels like you're getting the secrets. No one wants to say, and then getting them, you know, to a point where you can print it. Uh, but what, what is that process like when you're trying to chase a story? And it's like getting something out of someone? I'll give you a, for instance, so Van Ad and I did a lot of stories in the fall of 17, when Trump was coming after the players who were kneeling and Kaepernick was kind of at the center of it, even though he wasn't in the league. So we were writing about how the league office and

• 2:45:50Speaker 00

  the owners were handling this. And there's two stories that stand out. Number one, um, we were about to, a story was about to publish. I was, um, getting casual drinks with, with an executive and I asked him about something that Bob McNair had said that we had, that we had in our story. But I didn't, he thought I was talking about something else. So I, so I mentioned, yeah, I heard Bob McNair at this meeting said, and he goes, oh my God, it was terrible. And I was like, what are you talking about? Cause the thing I was going to ask about was not terrible. And he goes, what are you talking about? I was like, tell me, what are you talking about? And he said, you know, he said, you can't have the inmates running the prison and Troy Vincent

• 2:46:34Speaker 00

  got all pissed off and it was this like uproar. Jerry Jones gets up and backs McNair. I mean, it was horrible. So I was like, oh my God. So I, I called someone else and I said, Dave, did McNair say this in this meeting? He goes, yes, it was terrible. I gotta go. So I'm like, we have two people on this. I actually reached out to Amy Palsik at the Texans at the time and I said, Hey, you know, I've been told he said this and she said, yeah, he said it. Can I have some context to add, you know, whatever it is. So, you know, that, that piece of reporting comes out and that one caught fire. And then there was another story that Van Ad and I were doing where it was on, remember when Jerry Jones was threatening to sue the league to stop Roger from getting a contract extension? I mean, those were the days, right?

• 2:47:17Speaker 02

  I forgot about that. Yeah.

• 2:47:18Speaker 00

  That was a good, that was a fun time, but we were doing this story. We all, and it was, we were really proud of this story, but it was almost going to ship and, um, it was in the magazine and Don had gotten a tip that there was a really contentious phone call between Jerry, Jeff Pass and Roger Goodell, and now when the league told him that Zeke Elliott was going to be suspended. And the guy told Don, he goes, look, I'm not at liberty to say what happened, but you guys should find out. So I called someone who I thought would know and he goes, yeah, you know, there's this dialogue. And then Jerry says, you think Bob Kraft came after you hard? Bob Kraft is a pussy compared to what I'm going to do to you. I was like, okay. Yeah. So I called Don,

• 2:48:01Speaker 00

  Don called somebody else, got it confirmed, you know? And so that's kind of like how these things come together. Like sometimes it's luck, like with the guy where, you know, it's, what are you talking about? Yeah. Um, but you know, I think that there's a, I think that being able to get people on the phone quickly can help, but you know, it's, it's hard. Those are high degree of difficulty stories. And, you know, I think that when we do them, we wanted, we're asking a lot of readers. They're long stories and you know, we, to do a story like that, you have to have, Don calls them like little bombs going off. Yeah. And then kind of big bombs too. Yeah. Do you, do you find it thrilling when you, when you're chasing a story and like,

• 2:48:43Speaker 00

  do you get a rush out of that? I know you're supposed to kind of not be emotionally involved in the story as a journalist, but I would imagine like finding out, getting a tip, being like, hey, find out about this phone call and then getting the actual details has to feel good. Well, then there's two sides of it, right? There's the new, when, when maybe something is a news story. Like I did this story years ago on when Cronky, remember this, the, the city of St. Louis sued the league over the relocation for like a billion dollars and they settled for like 700 some million and Cronky went in front of the owners was like, I'm not paying this. They're like, what are you talking about? You signed an indemnification agreement as a condition of relocating and that blew up. And so that was like one of those cool things where

• 2:49:28Speaker 00

  it became a news story. Um, when Don and I are working on these bigger stories or when he's doing them alone, or I'm doing them alone, you know, again, you want, you're asking readers, as you guys know, it's, it's a competition for time. And so you want to feel like you're delivering them something new and noteworthy and that is immensely satisfying.

• 2:49:50Speaker 02

  We, we've always heard about, uh, guys like Jerry, Robert Kraft being the, you know, the most powerful voices in the NFL. Um, I think Cronky has definitely put his name in that list as well. Is there anybody like behind the scenes that you look at and you're like, that person has, has now solidified themselves as having, you know, a sizable amount of power more than you might just think from the outside. Like, because I feel like Bob Kraft and Jerry, they still control a lot, but they're, you know, they're getting older. So there might be some more, you know, dynamic, younger voices that are, you know, seeing the future of the league in their eyes. So who would those guys be?

• 2:50:23Speaker 00

  Well, they're all different. And the funny thing about owners is that like, they're all in this arranged marriage that they kind of hate, but don't want to get out of. And so like, I think that one of the most interesting things about owners is how passive they all are. Like you see the votes for a, for an initiative and like most votes are like, I think the Bengals always abstain. So they're always like 31 to nothing. There's very few votes that are close. And so you see that like group thing takes over quite a bit.

• 2:50:53Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:50:53Speaker 00

  At the end of the day, I think the most powerful owner isn't an owner and that's Roger. Like I think that Kraft and Jerry, they care, but Roger is an incre- we always talk about how Knows how to manage the 32. I think at this point in his career, you know, Roger is making big decisions for the league and is able to get owners on board rather than kind of just taking bullets for them. I mean, he's an incredibly influential executive and I think that, um, you know, you, what the league is doing, often Jerry and, and Kraft are involved. And, and you know, they're kind of funny frenemies.

• 2:51:37Speaker 00

  But, um, you know, it's, I think it's Roger. It's Roger's league. Yeah. I mean, Like you have guys like Clark Hunt, you know, but like when you're talking about who's really influential under, you know, among that group. I think Cronky, you're right. Cronky is, but I think it's Roger.

• 2:51:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. And that you're right. That has been like a change that we've seen from Goodell over the years to being the one who's got like division. And he now, now he knows the personalities and how to manage those guys behind the scenes. So what, what do you think his biggest focuses are? Cause he's getting another contract. He's, what is it? 60 mill a year?

• 2:52:10Speaker 02

  What, what are his biggest focuses? Cause now we're getting to the time and this is kind of what I'm worried about with Goodell. Like he's at the age where he is definitely thinking about his legacy and what he's going to leave behind. In terms of, you know, he inherited a league that was going through some concussion lawsuits. He managed to kind of navigate through, through those in a way that I think, you know, it was good for the league ultimately. It did blow up in their faces. So player safety would be one that he would, he would point to right now, but I feel like he's not done. Like there's something else that he wants to accomplish. What do you think that would be?

• 2:52:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, in, in Don and I's story that's in the book about Jerry and Roger, he says, you know, one more contract after that, you guys have to figure out a successor. And that was two contracts ago. Yeah. So. Now, these guys never, it's like Bob Iger, like. Well, he gets treated, I mean, Roger gets to fly private to games. He gets treated like a luminary. You have power. Why would you like, they're addicted to it. And I'm not saying that's a wrong thing, but it's all these guys that have this power. They never want to leave. Yeah. I think 18 games international. And then I don't know if this is, this is on the minds of some league executives is like, do we figure out a way to coordinate with college? Because college football is changing rapidly, has changed rapidly.

• 2:53:28Speaker 00

  They're going to have an officially professional model at some point, you know, that's going to happen. And, you know, is there a way that the league and college football, you know, Brian Rolap was like, involved in that college, um, when, when Brian was at the league, he was involved in that kind of brain trust of, of college sports. Is there a way that they figure out to make their puzzle pieces fit? Yeah. I think those are interesting things. Like I don't, maybe there's no impetus for the NFL to do anything official with college because they don't have to. It's their pipeline, but there might be a way that it benefits them financially. Smarter people than me will figure that out.

• 2:54:13Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, who's the, who's the, uh, someone that you've interviewed or gotten to know that like, you just, you never really kind of fully figured them out. Is there someone like that where it's like that this person's so interesting and fascinating? And it's, it's like, I keep trying to pick at it. I don't know if that, that maybe is a bad question, but you've talked to so many people that are so successful. Yeah. How do you get a handle? Well, everybody has multiple selves. Right. You know, that's the thing is that like, um, you guys, I think, Andrew Luck's first big interview after the story I did with him was with you guys, right? Yeah. And he was so fascinating. He's not that guy for me, but he was so fascinating because he was so transparent about it. Yeah.

• 2:54:53Speaker 00

  And he was basically like, I had to be all these different people and it was corrupting who I was. And so yes, the injuries played a role, but I didn't like who I was as a quarterback. And I had to figure out if it was worth it for me within that context. And there's very few people who have the self-awareness to do that.

• 2:55:16Speaker 00

  You know, Belichick's endlessly fascinating. Yeah. You know, I mean, there's just, there's so many different iterations of him and people that, he's both the truest person to himself that I think that like Rex Ryan used to talk about, how he thought it was cool that Bill could be a dick at this, at his press conferences, because that's, he was being true to himself. Right. He was being true to his personality. Yeah. And it would be phony if he tried to do something else. And I think that like, you know, watching Belichick throughout his career, and just the staggering thought that goes into his decisions. And I am privy to a glimpse of it.

• 2:55:55Speaker 00

  You know, that to me is, is kind of endlessly interesting. Yeah, I could see that. I can see, I think Parcells. Yeah. Parcells is someone that like, I'll probably write about at some point because he kind of created this system.

• 2:56:08Speaker 00

  That was dominant, you know, this ethos for 30 years and it destroyed the lives of the people who became great at it. But it, and you know, they, they won a ton of games and a ton of Super Bowls, but like so many things came out of his brain that influenced the league for so long. And now it seems like it's kind of turning. Yeah. And, you know, I'd be curious like what he thinks was worth it and what he thinks wasn't.

• 2:56:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. Just like any quote that he had, just influences people. But when he says like, you are who your record says you are. Like decades of coaches and owners and GMs, they just point to that one soundbite and they're like, that's why I'm doing this today.

• 2:56:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:56:47Speaker 02

  Like, it's not true. It's not true. You can be a really good team and you can have terrible luck.

• 2:56:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:56:52Speaker 02

  And your quarterback's out for the season and then you lose a bunch of games.

• 2:56:56Speaker 00

  It was interesting to be with Sean Payton when, you know, I was there when Bo Nix, when he found out Bo Nix was out. And I don't know how you guys feel, but you know, I think if Bo Nix is in that game, they're in the Super Bowl. Yeah. We also thought it was kind of crazy that he said it so quickly right after the game. Okay. So I didn't put this in the story. But it, and it wasn't for any reason other than I can't include everything, you know, but it was, they were, he got the news. I was there. He was explaining the fourth and 11 punt to me. The trainer comes in, fake punt. The trainer comes in looking very solemn, but I didn't really pick up on it at the time. Sean keeps drawing the play on my notebook and then he says, all right, give me the news. Trainer's got a list of injuries.

• 2:57:37Speaker 00

  And, you know, he says, Bo, Bo fractured his ankle. He's going to have surgery on Tuesday. His season's over. And it was like, the room stopped. Did, did Sean have any idea that that was coming? Cause it like, did anyone know he was hurt? He got hurt. Yeah. But I don't think they thought it was that. That was the crazy part. We know, no one saw it was, you know, the second to last play. If you look at like the replays since you see Bo's face where he kind of knows it's over. So anyway, I was with him there and then they were like, what? Immediately his, his mind switched to like, how can I use this to an advantage? Getting the team ready, but they were like, how do we tell the team?

• 2:58:14Speaker 00

  And most of the players had dispersed at that point. I mean, they were going out. It was a Saturday night, I think. So, you know, they just won a playoff game. Everyone's gone and they didn't think the news would hold until the next team meeting. So that's why he went out and gave a second press conference. Got it. So under like your agreement with Sean Payton to shadow him, you, you're sitting there for that news. That's breaking news. If he doesn't say it that night, what do you do with it? We would have had to have a conversation. So you would have said to Sean, hey, you, this was said in front of me. I should probably tell Schefter, you know, someone. So, and, and what, what if he says, well, no, you, you get out of here? I don't think it would have come to that, but like, you know, my agreement with Sean was pretty simple. I mean, I was writing everything I saw.

• 2:58:58Speaker 00

  Unless he asked for something to be off the record. And the only thing that they asked kind of to be off was the meetings where they talked about like time management and game management strategy, because teams could just lift that. Yeah.

• 2:59:14Speaker 00

  But, uh, you know, yeah, we would have had to have that discussion, but it all happened really fast. And at that point I'm kind of a fly on the wall. Um, there was only a couple of people in the room. I mean, it was George Payton, Sean Payton, Patrick Smythe, the PR guy. And they were all strategizing and it was a pretty quick decision to go call the press back. Yeah. Are PR guys afraid of you?

• 2:59:37Speaker 00

  They have to be, right? I don't think so. Call up a PR guy or they like, fuck. I, nobody's ever said that, but I think that, um, there's a little bit of like, oh boy.

• 2:59:49Speaker 00

  What's going on here? Cause you're basically like, if they see your number pop up, it's basically just a pop up being like, hey, guess what? The next like two weeks of your life are going to fucking suck. And that's, yeah. But PR guys can also be, look, and I've had good relationships with PR guys. I've had relationships that went sideways. But you know, they can be enormously helpful if you're honest. And I think you try to do your work in a professional way. And there's times that like, you know, that relationship gets messy. But hopefully you end in a place where they feel like they were treated professionally. And you know, there's lessons I've learned over the years and probably lessons that people have learned. Working with me um so that the next time things come around, hopefully it's a little bit easier, but sometimes it is just contentious.

• 3:00:34Speaker 00

  Who who's the who's the person who's gotten the maddest at you before?

• 3:00:39Speaker 00

  Um. The Bills in two thousand and three, when I did a story on Travis Henry, remember they drafted Willis McGahey? Yeah. They were upset with me. Um, I'd imagine Stacy James at the Patriots has had some issues with Don and I over the years. Um, I think that's it. So but do they call you and like try to yell at you and intimidate you? Or what? How's that work? No, it's usually sometimes people get heated. You're having a heated conversation, but it's not. You know, it's kind of within the context of what they're trying to accomplish and what I'm trying to accomplish. It's not a personal thing. Yeah, yeah.

• 3:01:16Speaker 02

  You should like it once a year, just call up like, I don't know, the Eagles or Jeffrey Lurin be like, hey, I'd like to do a positive. You're about like a flag football team that you sponsor like just, you know, that way you're giving them, you know, a little carrot. And in, you know, addition to the stick that you have to call it later, like plant that seed. Um, did you do like some fluff PR for the guys? That's all I'm saying. Like make them happy.

• 3:01:35Speaker 00

  That's not really me. I think they would. That that's the thing they would probably get suspicious about.

• 3:01:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01:40Speaker 00

  They're like, there's no way this this asshole is doing a thing on our flag football team. Bit here.

• 3:01:44Speaker 02

  In the in the after the aftermath of the Bo Nix injury.

• 3:01:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:01:48Speaker 02

  Because I remember distinctly Kyle Shanahan saying that we would have called Philip Rivers to play for us in the Super Bowl. If they had beaten the Eagles in that NFC championship. Did the Broncos have any discussions about bringing somebody else in?

• 3:02:00Speaker 00

  Not that I was aware of. I mean, I didn't see it. Yeah, I mean, Sean believed in, you know, he believes in Stiddy. Like, you know, it was true how he felt. You know, I mean, I think obviously Bo is his guy, but I think he thought that they had a good chance to win with Stidham and um. You know, Sean felt bad because he talked to Parcells when it first happened. You know, when Parcells obviously won that Super Bowl with Jeff Hostetler and Jeff was protected by the coaches in a way that it's just, you know, Sean, it's a different game now, but Sean's also just like, you know, he's more aggressive.

• 3:02:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:02:39Speaker 00

  And I think he felt like that he didn't protect Stidham in that game as well as he should have. Um, particularly on the the fumble when he tried to lateral the ball away. You know, I think he felt like we should just run the ball and punt it. So that was like, those are the things that I think haunt coaches in in very real and profound ways.

• 3:02:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:03:00Speaker 00

  Uh, did you just did him might have a tail? PFT did a little investigation of his own.

• 3:03:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, going back to college, there's been heavy rumors about Jared Stidham possibly.

• 3:03:08Speaker 00

  Things you don't think about.

• 3:03:09Speaker 02

  Possibly being born with a vestigial tail.

• 3:03:11Speaker 00

  I that was I did not see that when I.

• 3:03:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, probably a hundred percent fake because the best sources I had for it were like Auburn message board.

• 3:03:18Speaker 00

  Right, but but but you never know.

• 3:03:20Speaker 02

  Stories. These are you never know unless you ask.

• 3:03:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, right. You never know unless you ask.

• 3:03:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:03:24Speaker 00

  So you read our book. Mm hmm. What'd you think about it? Was it as poorly written as we thought it would it came out? Because there are some. When we were doing the audio book, there was moments where I was like, wait, like, did we not proofread this part? Do we not prove? Did you see that? You notice that? There was a couple, but I also thought it might could have been for effect. Obviously, there's the open parentheses that you told me about, which is I actually, I think that like you should just own it and, you know, it's.

• 3:03:50Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:03:50Speaker 00

  It was it was intentional. Yeah, definitely. And yeah, but. I wish we had the only regret on that one is I wish we had closed it because that would have been very funny if the entire book had been a clarification of the first eight pages. Your book's doing well, so you'll have a second printing, so you should just do that. Yeah. See if anyone catches it.

• 3:04:06Speaker 02

  This right now, this is included inside that parenthesis.

• 3:04:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:04:09Speaker 02

  Like everything, everything we put out.

• 3:04:10Speaker 00

  We just keep going. You're on the record in the parenthesis. Redefine the parenthesis. Yeah. I think it was cool and like, look, I mean, I think people always want to know how a hurricane starts. And it has turned out it starts over DM and Twitter and a couple of good parties. But like, I I I thought that was cool because, again, you know, you guys are self made people and you guys have created this platform that, you know, you go to training camp tours and you're getting the quarterbacks and you're getting the main guys and they want to come on and talk ball with you and you know, how that happens, I think, is something that I think a lot of people can learn from.

• 3:04:52Speaker 00

  As a journalist, do you ever look down at guys like us being like, they don't ask any of the hard questions? Because we. No. There are times when I am, I it's not like, we know what the show is. The show is supposed to be fun and that's been the the the ethos from the beginning. That's, I think, why we've been able to do what we do. But there are definitely times where we do an interview and I'm like, yeah, I'm I'm kind of a coward for not asking something there, but that's also not what we do. No, I don't because I think that everybody, we we were talking about it. I mean, the the football is so big. Yeah. That like there's room, it would it's fascinating how much room there is for all these people to occupy all of these different roles. Yeah. And, you know, at the end of the day,

• 3:05:34Speaker 00

  we're all learning from a story that I write or an interview that you guys do. And the more knowledge you have is the more you can bring yourself to, you know, recognize something else down the road or use if you're ever writing about a guy. And so I don't I don't look at it like that way at all.

• 3:05:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's been definitely, you know, an evolution in the last, I'd say, like fifteen years, twenty years. Um, when it comes to the written word and how it's monetized online, how.

• 3:05:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, or not.

• 3:05:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, or or not monetized online and how that all feeds into like the future of of journalism, uh, whether it be in the NFL or just, you know, in the world in general. But from your lens in sports journalism, like where do you see your role evolving to the future? Because you you you've been a great fit for like this day and age. And I think then it's shown that if you do serious journalism, there is a place for it online. But I I get, you know, more and more pessimistic as the years go on, that that will always be true. Like, and who knows what the next iteration is going to be, but where do you see it going?

• 3:06:30Speaker 00

  I mean, I I get the pessimism and I definitely, you know, you watch the Washington Post sports section close. I mean, that's if someone had told me when I was an intern there that they were going to shutter it, I would have bet a year's compensation on that. I mean, I just it's impossible to think about. Um, the optimistic side is I think that like

• 3:06:53Speaker 00

  maybe we can like reinvent the genre in a way and maybe stories that Wright does or that Don does or Tim Kewen does that I try to do can

• 3:07:05Speaker 00

  hold readers and become something that is anticipated. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I think that like, I I remember, you know, when I was at the beginning of my career, Rick Talander, my buddy, said, you know, you write, you write, you write, and eventually you kind of have like a product. And I couldn't conceptualize what he was talking about at that point, but it happens. You know, it happened with you guys to a huge degree, but like, you know, as you said, it's like, people might see a byline and they come to expect something. And if you can do that, then I think that like it's a positive sign for the form, for those who do it and for those who want to cooperate in it.

• 3:07:49Speaker 00

  Like, you know, when I did the Andrew Luck story, he did not want to be on camera. Yeah. He did it partially because I think he liked me. I didn't know Andrew really before that, but like, you know, I think he liked the idea of a written story and um, you know, I was like, I can do that. Yeah, no, it's great. Um, all right, we a couple last questions. So what's your favorite uh, chapter on on on your new book Beyond That Hill? Which, again, September fifteenth, buy it. Uh, better well, better written than than our book, I would say. Well, one closed parenthesis. Yeah. But like, I don't know, you know, I I I'm, you know, obviously I've written a lot about football. I kind of major in football and minor and other things.

• 3:08:34Speaker 00

  And there's a story on Alex Honnold in there that I've always been really proud of because. Such a psycho.

• 3:08:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:08:38Speaker 00

  In the best way. In the best way, but so interesting because like you guys watch Free Solo. Yeah. And you're not only watching a maniacal obsession that, you know, is mind blowing enough, but you're watching a guy who's kind of a jerk at times. Yeah. And I thought it was a really pure glimpse into greatness. And so when I got with him and I spent a couple of days with he and his then girlfriend and now wife, I was watching him try to be happy being domesticized. Yeah. And that was really fascinating. I mean, he was kind of a feral animal, you know, he lived in a van. I was with him the first day he moved into his real house out of the van. That must have been tough for him.

• 3:09:18Speaker 00

  I think it was really foreign. And, you know, again, he kept telling me, I'm going to be okay not doing something like that again. Trust me. You know, I don't want to die, you know, all this stuff. And I was, I wanted to believe him, but I kind of knew better. And then you see, I think it was in January, he went and did that building in Thailand, right? Yeah, yeah. And he's smiling the entire time. He's got kids now. I know. So he's, those are the types of stories that like, look, there's a lot of good football stories in there, I think. But again, those little surprises, I think, are pretty cool.

• 3:09:48Speaker 02

  That's awesome. People like him. House and like realizing like all the decisions that have to go into like picking out drapes.

• 3:09:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, Alex Honnold mowing along.

• 3:09:55Speaker 02

  Well, no, he was like, why, why do I own drapes?

• 3:09:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, he was they were emptying the dishwasher. You know, he's like, what are we doing with this cup? You know, and like, it was kind of funny to just watch those conversations from a guy who, you know, hitting, you know, has some sort of space in his brain to be able to do those things that I don't think there's anyone on earth who can really relate to.

• 3:10:18Speaker 02

  No, in a way, his life was was very simple before. It's like van.

• 3:10:21Speaker 00

  He loved that.

• 3:10:22Speaker 02

  Van rock.

• 3:10:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:10:23Speaker 02

  Talks about it.

• 3:10:24Speaker 00

  Adrenaline.

• 3:10:24Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 3:10:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, rock. No, we were driving once to go climbing, which was a, I got exposed. I mean, my ass got exposed, literally. At one point, because we were hiking to go to this wall that he wanted to climb, I ran out of gas. On the hike to the wall. On the hike to the wall. And I'm like, hey, I'll meet up with you. And I got lost on the way meeting up with him. I could see him, but I got lost. And so I needed to slide down this big rock to get back on the trail. I eventually meet up with him and Alex is like, hey, dude, you know, you're you ripped a hole in the. Assier shorts. And I was like, what? I look at him like, well, nothing I could do now. Like, we're all up on this mountain. But we were driving to that. He said he saw someone in clearly a climbing van. And he kind of was jealous.

• 3:11:07Speaker 00

  Right, yeah, right. Oh, that's funny. My old life. Um, all right. Well, Seth, this has been awesome. We have one last question. Roback question. R H O B A C K dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code take. Zach, you ready for your question?

• 3:11:23Speaker 03

  Yes, sir.

• 3:11:23Speaker 00

  Zach, I don't know. Did you read Zach's chapter on ice cream? Of course. Yeah. Did you like the spelling of Haagen Dazs?

• 3:11:29Speaker 02

  That was my favorite part of the book, I think.

• 3:11:33Speaker 03

  Different language, you know? Well, yeah, it might be German.

• 3:11:37Speaker 00

  No, it's actually not. They may, it's Haagen Dazs is famously from, I think it's New Jersey or Long Island. They wanted to make it sound foreign.

• 3:11:45Speaker 03

  Oh, they put our, they got me. They put our front.

• 3:11:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. But okay, go ahead with your question.

• 3:11:50Speaker 03

  I was curious, uh, if there's ever been a, a moment in your journalism career where you need to conduct a state, a stakeout to get the information you needed to kind of put the pieces together.

• 3:11:58Speaker 00

  A stakeout? No. I mean, you've definitely knocked on doors. When Van Aden and I were doing the Spygate to Deflategate story together, that was our first story together.

• 3:12:09Speaker 00

  You know, which was about how Deflategate was kind of a makeup call for what was conceived, what was perceived as a lenient punishment for Spygate and years of cheating. You know, we didn't do staking out, but we definitely did what, you know, shoe leather, knocking on doors and, um, you know, it was a, some pretty determined stuff. It wasn't just over the phone or in like one meeting over dinner. I mean, that was like a shitload of work. And a lot of it was finding guys' addresses, knocking on their doors, seeing if they'll talk and, um, you know, trying to learn

• 3:12:47Speaker 00

  ways the Patriots either exploited, exploited rules or flat out broke them in the run up to that. So is that where you land on, on the whole thing that, uh, Deflategate way overblown, Spygate probably under, you know, uh? Well, that's, that was the gist of our story. Yeah. And it was a strange story in the sense that like, we started working on it together. We called an owner and he said, this is a makeup call. And it was, you know, usually you're very, um, you're pursuing a story wherever it takes you. And, you know, you sort it out. Once you have all the material and in a weird way, that story, we had the point of it right away. And so the entire story was like, how do we

• 3:13:29Speaker 00

  take readers from here to there and fill in, you know, a makeup call? How does that work? How did, why was it necessary? What did the Patriots do? What did teams suspect the Patriots did that they actually didn't do? Cause the Patriots were just in everyone's heads. All of those things were the questions that we tried to explore in that book. And some of the gamesmen or that story and some of the gamesmanship that happened, you know, during the league in those times, kind of pre cell phone camera and a little bit less attention on it was really, really funny. Like some teams would leave fake play call sheets. There was a, you know, Patriots would sometimes take the scripted plays. We kind of slip them out of a locker room or whatever. And from the opponent and, you know,

• 3:14:11Speaker 00

  the paranoia and the fun that they, that other teams tried to have with that. Peyton Manning talking outside of the locker room at all times when he was at Gillette Stadium with his coaches. Some teams leaving dummy play sheets, you know, out for the Patriots to grab. That type of stuff, I think. It's, it, it gets to the heart of the game in a kind of a really interesting way that I think makes it more interesting for fans because those, that's the good stuff. I mean, those are the things that's really hard to find out and also shows a layer to the way that these guys operate that I think both within New England and beyond, that I think is pretty cool. Do you think there was any truth to that? That the Patriots had the locker rooms bugged?

• 3:14:52Speaker 00

  No, I don't. But I think Bill kind of liked being in teams heads and like, yeah, like, like letting teams think that they were bugged and that they were raiding their hotel rooms and doing all these. I think he kind of liked that because, and I think that other teams use that to their advantage where like, you know, these guys, you can't leave your stuff out. Whether it was true or not, that stuff kind of took on a life of its own. Yeah, everyone became on edge. Um, all right. Well, Seth, thank you so much. Uh, congrats on another book. It'll be another best seller. Did we, we probably ruined best sellers for everyone after us in terms of the fact that like, we should not be on that list. No.

• 3:15:29Speaker 02

  Cheaper than the brand. It's like when three, six mafia won an Oscar.

• 3:15:31Speaker 00

  We can't close a parentheses. We don't know how to do that. It's a basic stuff. You were, you were in the spot. Oh, all right. Well, thank you so much for stopping by and we'll, we'll definitely do it again. So. Sounds good, man. Thank you, guys.

• 3:15:46Speaker 03

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• 3:16:35Speaker 00

  Let's finish up guys on chicks. Uh, by the way, Friday, J O C fantasy preview. Can't wait.

• 3:16:43Speaker 03

  He's got, he's got a lot in store.

• 3:16:45Speaker 00

  He's been doing a lot of saving for the show for me because I spent, uh,

• 3:16:50Speaker 00

  I spent like maybe eight hours with him yesterday. Zach was, was witness to a lot of it.

• 3:16:58Speaker 00

  He did a lot of saving for the show.

• 3:17:01Speaker 03

  He started, he started to like, tell me a joke that he was gonna say, and I was, he's like, save the show. I was like, yes, I appreciate that. Cause I'm very excited for his fantasy preview.

• 3:17:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, Jerry's been, um, his, his sentence always starts with, wait, are we being recorded right now?

• 3:17:15Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 3:17:16Speaker 02

  Cause I told him one time that I owned a pair of Meta sunglasses.

• 3:17:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. And what he doesn't realize is I've been wired the entire week.

• 3:17:21Speaker 02

  And also there's cameras everywhere. No, Jerry, we're not. Well, just tell them that we're not live tomorrow.

• 3:17:26Speaker 00

  He also says, are we being recorded? And then he says like the most benign thing.

• 3:17:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, it doesn't, it has no bearing whatsoever if we were being recorded or not.

• 3:17:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right, Hank. Rip it.

• 3:17:37Speaker 03

  Hey, big cat, PFT, Hank, Max, Zach and memes. Shane now.

• 3:17:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's Shane now.

• 3:17:47Speaker 03

  My boyfriend went away with his friends last weekend for a golf trip slash beach weekend. As you'd imagine, they drank too much every day. My boyfriend fell asleep on the toilet. This is the second time in a few months he's fallen asleep on the toilet. Neither time I've been around. So I guess that's a plus. Should I be worried about that?

• 3:18:03Speaker 02

  No, not at all. Uh, this actually, it hand up, happened to me just a couple of months ago. Actually like one month ago.

• 3:18:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, the toilet?

• 3:18:10Speaker 02

  Fell asleep on the toilet. I was, I was, uh, in the Jersey Shore. We had a little house that was on the beach. Big house with a lot of friends. Um, actually not that big of a house because only had, I think, two bathrooms, one upstairs, one downstairs. Middle of the night, I woke up, went to the bathroom, sat down on the toilet at some point, didn't poop, just kind of sat there.

• 3:18:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:18:31Speaker 02

  And fell asleep and, uh, one of the girls that was in the house opened up the bathroom door and was like, oh, hey, I was like, uh, someone's in here.

• 3:18:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, someone's sleeping in here.

• 3:18:41Speaker 02

  Get your own bedroom. But that's, that's the universal thing that you have to say when somebody opens the door on you. Listen, there's nothing wrong with it. It's just a comfortable seat sometimes.

• 3:18:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. I, uh, I think the, the toilet, falling asleep in the shower, those, those two things are okay.

• 3:18:56Speaker 02

  I've, I've never done that.

• 3:18:57Speaker 00

  Oh, I passed out in the shower. In college, I passed out in the shower. I think the only thing that you have to be nervous about, uh, cause this actually happened to my roommate. I, when I was like 22, we had a, a five bedroom, uh, house in Lakeview and my roommate fell asleep drawing himself a bath, uh, and that flooded everything.

• 3:19:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's not good.

• 3:19:18Speaker 00

  That was bad. That was really bad.

• 3:19:20Speaker 02

  Are we talking a lights off shower, a dark shower?

• 3:19:22Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah. Or like, you know, like if there's a, if you're in a shower with a seat or something, kind of nodding off real quick. But I've been definitely in college, I've, I've had hangovers or drunks, like where I've laid down in the shower and then just fell asleep.

• 3:19:38Speaker 02

  That's a sign of a healthy body. I think is being ready to, to get your rest in at a moment's notice.

• 3:19:42Speaker 00

  I haven't done it in many, many years, but I think both those, depending on how, how much you drank are acceptable.

• 3:19:49Speaker 03

  My husband of 16 years hates LeBron James, but every time he sneezes, he does the LeBron chalk toss and laughs hysterically.

• 3:19:58Speaker 03

  I thought it was funny the first time 16 years ago, but now he has gotten our 14 year old, 11 year old and six year old to do the same thing, even though they all hate LeBron. Is this normal?

• 3:20:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. The more I think about it.

• 3:20:09Speaker 03

  It's kind of actually fucked up.

• 3:20:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. He's just spreading his germs.

• 3:20:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, but also kind of funny.

• 3:20:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, true.

• 3:20:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:20:15Speaker 02

  It is funny.

• 3:20:15Speaker 00

  To get your kids into it too. That's kind of funny. Yeah, that's kind of a dude's rock.

• 3:20:20Speaker 02

  But also like LeBron should apologize for that.

• 3:20:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:20:23Speaker 02

  For like being that sort of an influence.

• 3:20:26Speaker 00

  It's also LeBron's fault for his longevity. Cause you didn't think when he started this, there, you were like, no way this is going to last another 16 years.

• 3:20:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:20:33Speaker 00

  And it has.

• 3:20:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. You're like, I'm just, I'm a shithead 20 year old. Oh, wait, now I'm a 36 year old with a mortgage and three kids.

• 3:20:40Speaker 00

  Max is gonna fucking love the chalk tosses. Ugh. Okay.

• 3:20:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, except Max does it with a bag of something else.

• 3:20:48Speaker 03

  Uh, congratulations on the book.

• 3:20:50Speaker 02

  When he's making bread.

• 3:20:51Speaker 00

  Cooking with Chef Don.

• 3:20:52Speaker 02

  Doing bread, making bread with Max. That's what I was saying.

• 3:20:55Speaker 03

  With all the excitement that the world cup brought to the United States, how can you not be excited about international teams? One of the best things about being American is rooting against other countries. I personally cannot wait to begin a rivalry with other European nations. Hashtag, I'm with Hank.

• 3:21:08Speaker 02

  Wait, he's, they're talking about football. This lady's talking about with the world cup excitement, how can you not be excited about the NFL having international teams?

• 3:21:16Speaker 00

  I don't, cause all, all the players would be American.

• 3:21:22Speaker 00

  Oh, I just realized something. Fuck.

• 3:21:25Speaker 00

  You know what's gonna suck? All of our, all of our years of joking about American teams winning the Stanley Cup is gonna bite us in the ass when like the, the Philippine Tigers win the Superbowl. And we're like, no, those are all American guys. They're like, well, fuck.

• 3:21:41Speaker 02

  It's never gonna happen. It's never.

• 3:21:43Speaker 00

  Hank's world it is. Honestly, I hope I'm dead by the time there's teams in, in other countries. That's too much.

• 3:21:50Speaker 02

  Not my league, but Shane, imagine all the sick uniforms you're gonna have.

• 3:21:54Speaker 00

  Oh God. Oh God. All right. Is that it?

• 3:21:57Speaker 03

  Uh, last one.

• 3:22:01Speaker 02

  Rivalry uniforms for the international like France versus Germany that would go hard.

• 3:22:09Speaker 03

  Question for guys on chicks. Why do guys constantly practice their golf swing? I'll be in the middle of a conversation with them and they're just air swinging a golf club. My boyfriend got an indoor putting green for Christmas and will randomly get off the couch, go to his room and practice chips and putts. It makes no sense to me at all.

• 3:22:24Speaker 02

  It sounds like you shouldn't be a driver.

• 3:22:26Speaker 03

  Dry reps. Dry reps. You gotta train your body.

• 3:22:30Speaker 00

  I would do it. I could see why people do it. I unfortunately my golf swing is so bad. I don't know what I'd be practicing. Like what do you like? You know how it's like the whole practice perfect? What am I practicing for? Like I would if I practiced my golf swing with no club in my hands, I'd still slice.

• 3:22:48Speaker 03

  I see a video on Instagram and then it gets me gets me thinking and it's usually it's like a golf instructor where it's like, hey, do this when you're not, you know, practice without a golf club in your hand and do this a hundred times a day. And then I'd do like 10 of them.

• 3:23:00Speaker 00

  Do you know who I love? I think I can't remember what his name is.

• 3:23:03Speaker 03

  Golf Strong hit bombs?

• 3:23:04Speaker 00

  No, the guy wears like really nice clothes.

• 3:23:07Speaker 03

  Yes, I know you're talking about.

• 3:23:08Speaker 00

  He's fucking awesome.

• 3:23:09Speaker 03

  And he just talks about like the.

• 3:23:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, knees. Yeah, I can't fuck. I wish I had his name. It's like Jimmy something or something. He's shout out that guy. He actually Jimmy Tropicana. Shout Jimmy Tropicana. He's a good follow. He makes things looks like simp like simple. And also I like what he does where he relates your golf swing to like hitting a baseball or throwing a baseball and that always clicks in my head where I'm like, oh, okay. He's like, if you threw a baseball, you wouldn't do this. I'm like, yeah, you know what? I wouldn't do that. And then I still slice. But Jimmy Tropicana, thank you. And you fucking dress really well, man. Guys should support guys. You're a good looking guy. All right. Good show, boys.

• 3:23:48Speaker 03

  Good show.

• 3:23:49Speaker 00

  Really good show. Uh, fun show.

• 3:23:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, really.

• 3:23:53Speaker 00

  We don't have numbers.

• 3:23:53Speaker 03

  Really good show.

• 3:23:54Speaker 00

  Do you want to do it on there? Random generator? No one wants to win this.

• 3:23:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, seven.

• 3:23:59Speaker 02

  We'll go with zero.

• 3:24:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, use part of my balls.

• 3:24:06Speaker 03

  Pardon my balls.

• 3:24:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:24:15Speaker 00

  The chair is just so good. Sorry, Zach. We gotta get out of here. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. We gotta get out of here. Spin it. We gotta get out of here.

• 3:24:24Speaker 02

  Sim it, Shane.

• 3:24:24Speaker 00

  Spin it. Oh, my God. Forty-eight. All right.

• 3:24:28Speaker 02

  Okay, don't worry, Chris.

• 3:24:29Speaker 00

  We're done.

• 3:24:29Speaker 02

  Uh, happy birthday to, uh, Nas Reed. Happy birthday to Kyron Williams. Happy birthday, Mother Teresa. Happy birthday, Macaulay Culkin. Happy birthday, Liddell Betts, Jim Tome, Aaron Paul, Cesar Millan, Pee-wee Herman. Happy birthday to Savannah James. Knock it out of their park. With all due respect. Love you guys.