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Ernest Hemmingway once said, “We’re stronger in the places where we’ve been broken.” In matters of love, this can sometimes be forgotten.
On this episode of On Purpose with Jay Shetty, Jay Shetty reflects on love, heartbreak, and how to heal pain and continue to choose love in the future.
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2:59 Jay Shetty? Have you ever experienced heartbreak? Have you had a recent breakup? Or are you still struggling to get over a love from months or even years ago? If so, this episode is for you. But even if you're in a happy relationship, I promise there will be some wisdom for you today as well. I know that one of the areas where so many of us have been experiencing stress and strain during this pandemic is in our relationships. Today, we're talking about heartbreak and how to deal with it. Not just how to deal with it, but how to really, truly heal from it. And so it doesn't matter if your heartbreak is fresh or if it's from a long time ago,
3:40 Jay Shetty? or maybe you're hurting from just a few disagreements in your current relationship. Today, I'm going to share with you three ways we love, why that matters, and four big questions and exercises for real lasting healing. First, I wanted us to look a bit about the nature of love. Because when we understand the type of love we want to feel, we can identify when we've healed from heartbreak. I'll say that again. When you really understand love and what you want to feel, then you'll know when your heart has truly healed from past hurts. I'll explain how it works. There's an idea about love that I came across recently.
4:25 Jay Shetty? And that's that we fall in love with three different people in our lifetime, or that there are three different ways we love. This is an idea that's appeared in many places, and I think that there's some real truth there. But I also think there are a few things we're missing that are causing some of our biggest challenges when it comes to having successful relationships and to feeling lasting love in our lives. Now, I want you to close your eyes for a moment. Not if you're driving or walking or chopping vegetables, obviously. But take a screenshot of this and come back to this moment. But if you can, close your eyes and just think back for a moment to your first romantic love.
5:09 Jay Shetty? Who was the first person you fell in love with? It doesn't matter if you were 10 years old, or 16, or 26, or 36, or 46. What was that relationship like? Maybe they loved you back, or maybe they didn't. Maybe you felt that obsessive desire to see and speak to them as much as possible. Maybe you're in that place right now. The first way we love... For some of us, it's the first person we fall in love with. Is called the love that looks right. That is the love where we can't eat, we can't sleep, we can't focus on our work because we're always thinking about the other person.
5:55 Jay Shetty? And in this love, provided that person loves us back, we mostly try and mimic relationships as we've seen them in popular media. We buy gifts, we write love songs, we maybe ditch our friends. We stand outside their bedroom window in the rain with a boombox over our heads blasting Ray J, One Wish. I experienced that when I was in elementary school. I had my first huge crush on a girl and I absolutely obsessed over her. But here's the thing about the love that looks right. It's rarely grounded in our deepest self. It's rarely from a place of true love.
6:35 Jay Shetty? Instead, again, we're mostly mimicking the behavior we think we're supposed to engage in when we're in love. And we mostly go for people who we think are supposed to be right for us, even if they aren't. It's a lot about externals. I remember just thinking and obsessing over this girl. And that was exactly it. All the highs and lows I felt were just a replication of what I thought I was supposed to feel and behave like when I had a crush on someone. That's what I'd seen in the movies and those images are so strong and vivid that they stay in our minds. This can also be called early-stage love. For many of us, early love often feels like an addiction.
7:18 Jay Shetty? And brain science now shows us why. Researchers took several groups of people. One group described their feelings toward their partners as steady and long-lasting. And these people had mostly been with their partner for a while. Others described their feeling towards their partner as more obsessive. The scientists put each of these people in a brain scanner and watched their brains while they looked at photos of their partner. Among those who described feeling a more obsessive love, areas of their brain lit up that correspond with addiction. But not so for the first group. So in many ways, we really can be addicted to love or our perception of what love is.
8:01 Jay Shetty? And by the way, this early-stage love behavior is not a bad thing. It's only negative if we don't move out of this phase and into a more lasting and contented stage within a few weeks or months. Or if the obsession goes overboard and we become overly possessive or unhealthy, fixated on the other person. Usually, this addiction is characterized by the idea of lust. We think we're in love, but actually, we're in lust. Lust doesn't just mean physical attraction. Lust means that fascination, that curiosity, that obsession with the new, with the exciting, with the enthralling. We start with lust and we think it goes to love next, but it doesn't. It actually goes to learning.
8:46 Jay Shetty? And that's what I mean by moving out of that lust stage into that learning stage. Often, we lust after people we barely understand or barely know. When we learn about them, we can elevate to love or we can realize it's time to leave.
9:11 Jay Shetty? The second way we love or type of love experience that I've read about and heard about is called hard love. This is the relationship or the time in a relationship where you learned difficult lessons, where you experienced pain. Now, think back to whether you've had that type of relationship and who it was with, and maybe with more than one person. In this relationship, at least for a time, you hung on. You tried to keep it going because you wanted to make it work. Maybe there were intense highs and lows, the good times were phenomenal, but then, every time at some point, things would come crashing down. You fought a lot, there was a lack of trust, there were fights and friction, you gave too much of yourself.
9:56 Jay Shetty? And again, maybe some of you are there right now. Maybe it feels like just about everything is uphill or a constant roller coaster. These experiences are definitely hard, but learning those relationship lessons is important. When we truly metabolize them, they put us in a position to have better, stronger relationships in the future. We all make mistakes of some sort in our early relationships. Pretty much no one is immune from that, myself included. But we can learn and grow from them. Or they can leave us with deep emotional wounds, and we'll come back to that in just a minute.
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13:25 Jay Shetty? The third way we love is what we all dream of. It's the love that lasts. Have you ever heard someone say, "I never knew what love was until I met my current partner or my spouse"? If you've experienced that yourself, you know what I'm talking about. The love that lasts is the kind of love experience that is so supportive, where the other person loves you for exactly who you are, where you feel like that person wants you to be the best version of yourself, and where you can truly be yourself. The first time I felt that kind of love was when I was 18 years old. The person who connected me with that feeling was a monk.
14:04 Jay Shetty? In fact, love that lasts doesn't have to be limited to romantic love, as we sometimes think. If you've read my book, Think Like a Monk, you know this story. The first time I ever heard a monk speak, I was in college and some friends dragged me to a talk by a man named Gorangadas. Incidentally, Gorangadas is still one of my great friends and teachers, and I interviewed him on this show a few months ago. And so please go back and check that out if you missed it. He shares some incredible wisdom from the monk perspective.
14:36 Jay Shetty? This third kind of love, the love that lasts, is what I think of as universal love. There's a spiritual path called bhakti yoga that isn't at all to do with what we usually think of as yoga, the poses or the positions that you see in a yoga studio, but it's to do with cultivating a total devotion to love in all forms. All of the kinds of love we can experience, love for our family and friends, love for nature, for animals, romantic love, God love, universal love, planet love, earth love, all of it is encompassed by universal love. It's what we think of as unconditional love.
15:18 Jay Shetty? And one of the things that I think it's helpful for us to understand is that this last kind of love, this universal love or the love that lasts, this type of love is not different from the first two types of love. It's not different from the obsessive love and from the hard love. It actually encompasses these ways we love. When you feel the love that lasts, it has this feeling of pain along with it sometimes too. If you've felt it, you know what I mean. And that's not just with romantic love. I've heard my friends with kids talk about that too. They love their children and so much and so completely, there's almost a pain to it. Or even love for your pets or other animals can make you feel it.
16:03 Jay Shetty? Because we care so deeply and it's because we've learned that in life, inevitably, there is always some pain associated with love. Whether that's because the other person intentionally or unintentionally hurts us, or because we're aware that someday, inevitably, as time passes, we will no longer be together in this way, that we may lose them. We want love to be pain-free, but that's not love. It's not deep love anyway. It's not the love that will last. In a conversation with Oprah, Buddhist monk Pema Chodron said, "You can't know how to love unless you also know how to hurt." Often in our lives, love makes us make the biggest sacrifices,
16:48 Jay Shetty? takes on the biggest stress, takes on the most pressure. Love is not about peace. Love is about accepting stress for the one that we love. Of course, that stress doesn't mean accepting emotional or physical abuse, but it can be going through difficult times together to truly fall more in love with each other. What we need to do is learn to recognize and separate this kind of pain, the kind that's a natural part of universal love, from the pain caused by injury, by wounds. That's the pain we need to heal. And incidentally, Pema Chodron knows about both types of pain. Before she became a monk, she was married several times and had an extremely painful breakup
17:32 Jay Shetty? when she discovered her second husband had been cheating on her. So let's talk about how we address that pain from wounds that we probably got when we experienced hard love. See, that's the pain you want to heal. The pain and the stress you get from experiencing a loving, fulfilling relationship, that's not what needs to be healed.
17:57 Jay Shetty? For many of us, even if we've moved on to other relationships, some part of us is still stuck in the hurt of the heartbreak we've had before. And one of the reasons for that is we don't know how to do something I call WISE healing. That's an acronym, W-I-S-E, for weakness, insights, service, and expansion. Those are the four steps we're going to take to heal. If you've listened to me for any length of time, you probably know that one of my big loves is football, or as Americans call it, soccer. As a longtime football fan, I've watched many, many games, easily hundreds. And over my many decades of being a fan, I've seen many player injuries as well.
18:42 Jay Shetty? Because if you're playing the game long enough, you're going to get hurt in some way at some time, right? Of course, the same is true with love. There are two common responses to injuries. We either take a lot of ibuprofen or paracetamol or try and numb the pain, and maybe we take a short break or we bandage our wound, but then we get back to the game as soon as possible. In love, we ignore our pain. We tell ourselves that person didn't matter. Then we fire up the dating apps and do our best to move on and to meet someone new as quickly as we can. The other common response is that we take time off and rest. We stop playing the game entirely and lay on our couch. In love, it's similar. We're on the couch, not going out, not talking to anyone. We're watching sad movies and eating chocolate or ice cream.
19:26 Jay Shetty? I promise I'm not talking about myself. And then eventually, we start to feel a bit better, and a bit better. And then finally, maybe we're ready to date again, and then we get back out there. Here's the problem with both of these strategies. It's not that either is bad or wrong, but neither truly heals us. We've still got a wound that's been untreated. Here's what's not treating injuries properly looks like in the human body. Let's say you tear a hamstring muscle. When a muscle tears, your body doesn't replace that muscle tissue with more muscle tissue. It can't. The only thing it can do is replace it with something called collagen, which is more dense and less flexible than muscle tissue.
20:08 Jay Shetty? And because collagen is replaced in kind of a haphazard way, it interferes with the way the muscle functions, and you're more likely to get injured at the same spot again. Or you're more likely to develop a new injury because you're trying to protect that spot from getting hurt. Our hearts and our minds are the same way when we get hurt emotionally. So how do we truly heal? With a muscle injury, we focus on the site of the injury. A physiotherapist might do some massage to break up the scar tissue, and they give us exercises to do what will help strengthen us. That will cause the collagen fibers in the wound to actually line up with our muscle fibers. And you know what's really amazing about that? Because collagen is a lot stronger than muscle. When we take the time and put in the work to heal this way,
20:53 Jay Shetty? we actually become stronger in the injured place. And once again, your heart and your mind are the same way. Ernest Hemingway once wrote, "We're stronger in the places that we've been broken." I agree, and I love that quote. But only if we practice wise healing. You can think of me as your love physiotherapist, because I'm getting cheesy now, but because I'm giving you these four exercises designed to help you get stronger in the places where your heart has been broken.
21:28 Jay Shetty? So, our first step in wise healing is that we find our site of weakness. We find the site of the wound and we actually pan out from there. When a physiotherapist helps you heal your quad, they don't give you a bunch of difficult exercises to start with. Otherwise, you would just get hurt again. When we're suffering from a breakup, when we're in that pain space, we tend to over-focus on this wounded part of our identity. And so, even though we have many other aspects of our lives and of who we are, this gets all the focus. We overemphasize its impact on our life. Our first wise healing exercise is based on the idea of a mind map, where you get a big blank piece of paper,
22:12 Jay Shetty? and you put a topic or a goal in the middle, and then you write down any ideas or thoughts that come to you that are related to that goal or that topic. It can be a great way to organize your thoughts or to brainstorm. We're going to do something similar, but in this mind map, it's more of a heart map. So, screenshot this, because you're going to want to come back to this. You're going to get out a big piece of paper. It's easier to do this by hand rather than a computer, and you're going to write the word "me" in the middle and circle it. And now, you're going to ask yourself this question: "What are the other parts of my identity beyond being a romantic partner to someone, and what did they mean to me?" Okay, stop judging your handwriting right now. It's fine. Just go with it. You're not sharing this anywhere.
22:57 Jay Shetty? You might share on Instagram later if it's a work of art. You're going to write down the other roles you play in life. You'll draw a line from "me", and maybe you'll write "sister" or "brother". You'll draw another line and write "coworker", or another line and write "parent". What are all of the roles you play in your life? Once you've done that, you're going to choose the two most prominent roles in your life. So maybe that's daughter and boss, or father and brother. And next to each of those, you're going to jot down three to five sentences about what those roles mean to you. Why are they important to you? What do you bring to others or to the world in those roles? So again, you write "me" in the middle,
23:40 Jay Shetty? draw lines from it with one line to each of the various roles you play in your life. And for your two most important roles, write three to five sentences about each of those and what they mean to you, and what impact they make in the world overall. What this exercise does is remind us of who we are, which is more than just our wounds. We're much more than our heartbreak. From this supported place and from this place of greater perspective, we're ready for the next exercise, which is "I for Insights." Lots of you know that I'm a big fan of the filmmaker Christopher Nolan. When I was thinking about healing from heartbreak, I thought about his most recent movie, Tenet.
24:25 Jay Shetty? Don't worry, I won't spoil it for you if you haven't seen it. I'll just say that there's an element of that movie that's to do with going back in time and being able to examine and interact with what happened in the past in order to change the future. We can do this with our wounds. When the physiotherapist does this, they apply manual massage and maybe some cryotherapy or some electrical stimulation to the site of our wound to help break up the collagen so it can be reformed and reorganized. In our case, we're going to go to the site of our wound as well to gain some insights that will make us stronger going forward. So again, take a screenshot, get your paper out, or this time you can use a notes app. Your question that you're going to answer is,
25:09 Jay Shetty? "What insights can I gain from this experience?" Or more specifically, "What did I learn about myself in this relationship?" Maybe you learned that you really don't want to be with someone who doesn't share your values, like they don't want a family. Maybe you realized that kids are a deal breaker issue for you. Maybe you learned that you really need to be with someone who makes healthy choices because you need or just really prefer that kind of lifestyle and support. Take 30 minutes to an hour and write it all down. A full hour is great because you want time to really go deep. The surface answers will come quickly. The deeper answers take more time. Wear something cozy, get a mug of tea,
25:54 Jay Shetty? sit in front of a fire, do this in a setting and in a way that feels comfortable and supportive. Because you might come across some uncomfortable realizations, and that's good. You may feel excited or energized by some things, and others may not feel so great. But just like getting scar tissue massage, some discomfort often accompanies healing. If we can't let ourselves go there, we can't truly heal.
26:23 Jay Shetty? Love can make us blind to others' faults and challenges. And our desire to feel good about ourselves can make us blind to our own missteps. When we love someone, we overlook things. We don't see annoying or even destructive habits and behaviours. This exercise helps us look at those things now with fresh eyes. Here's another question you can try. What did I do well in this relationship? And what do I not want to repeat? Maybe you found yourself always putting your needs first and not truly listening to your partner. Or maybe you feel like you did a really good job of being clear about your needs and drawing healthy boundaries. Yet your partner was not in a place of being able to do that or to respect your boundaries.
27:06 Jay Shetty? Again, write it all down. And again, you see, these are not easy surface questions. We're looking for the deep stuff. When Payma Children looked back on her marriage, she found something surprising. She says, "I didn't realise how attached I was to having someone else confirm me as being okay. It didn't come from inside me, it came from someone else's view of me." Once she understood that, she knew she no longer wanted to rely on others for her sense of self-esteem. It was a painful realisation, but it helped her shift something major in how she related to herself and those around her. Now we're on to the S in Y's for service.
27:50 Jay Shetty? One of the things that I think is beautiful is that when we are connected to love in our lives, we're connected to all love. When we feel the micro of our love in our specific relationships, it connects us to the macro of all the love that's in the world. Similarly, when we experience heartbreak, we can more acutely feel the heartbreak in the world. We resonate with others' pain. And so while on one hand that might make us feel like we want to hide from some of the other pain in the world, if we learn to help heal that pain, we can help to heal our own. According to the researchers at the University of Notre Dame, who followed 2,000 people over a five-year period,
28:31 Jay Shetty? those who characterised themselves as very happy volunteered an average of 5.8 hours per month. That's about 90 minutes per week. Your next question in your healing process is... How can I serve? You don't have to conquer world hunger. Simply making time to connect with someone else and ask them how they're doing, or go and help at a soup kitchen, or mindfully caring for a child or a pet. When we assume an attitude of service, even the things we do every day can help to serve us back because we're helping to heal the wounds and the heartbreak of the world. Our final step in wise healing is E for expand. In physiotherapy, one of the things that's common
29:16 Jay Shetty? is to give you a broad range of exercises that don't just focus on your injured muscle, but strengthen entire muscle groups and movements. To heal from heartbreak, we're going to loop back to what I was talking about in the beginning of the podcast with regard to universal love and how we can access that feeling. As monks, we learn about maya, which means illusion. Part of the maya of love is that we can access it only in limited ways, such as only through certain people. That's an illusion. We imagine that there's a door guarding love that to experience deep love and happiness, we have to find the one key that opens that door. And that key is another person, or in their pocket at least.
29:59 Jay Shetty? Fortunately, love is much bigger than just one person, and it's bigger than just people. When you broaden your concept of love, you quickly see that there are so many ways to access it. You see that there are so many keys. And when you really let go of the maya that access to love is limited, you see that there is no door at all, that the door blocking you from feeling loved and from sharing love with others is one that each of us creates as a perception. When we look at love like there is only one type of love and one narrow path to it, and that we can access it through only one person, when we think we may have found that person, we start forming unhealthy attachments.
30:42 Jay Shetty? That's when we start projecting all of our needs and desires on them. That's when we become jealous and insecure. And our partner may be doing this too. We're so afraid to lose our key. We're so afraid that door of love might close on us. And so when we do break up, we feel broken. We feel ripped apart because we were so unhealthily attached in the first place.
31:08 Jay Shetty? One of the ways we can heal is to learn to loosen our grip on love, so that when we encounter romantic love again, it can be like that healthy scar tissue that works in conjunction with our muscle, that we can learn to move together with our partner in ways that are independent of one another and that also complement one another. My teacher, Radhanath Swami, who practices Bhakti yoga, says that in our desire for security and control for knowing what will come next, we become rigid, and that's when things start to feel scary and they start to break, because we're holding them so tightly. In a healthy approach to love, we relate to love and to our partners like we relate to the ocean. We don't try to control the waves, we learn to read them and surf them,
31:53 Jay Shetty? to interact intelligently with them in their flow. So our final question and exercise for wise healing is to help us relax our grip on love. It's to expand our perception of how we can access love, what are the sources of love in our lives, so that we gain some perspective and don't put all of this pressure on one person or on ourselves. Again, it's screenshot time. Get out your notepad or your notes and reflect on this question. What makes me feel love? Or you can ask, when do I feel love? And just make a list. You don't have to overthink it. Maybe it's when my child hugs me, when my cat hops up on my lap and purrs, when the sun shines, when I'm hiking in the woods,
32:38 Jay Shetty? when I'm sitting by a lake, when I'm talking to my parents, when I'm sitting here journaling, when I go to yoga, when I go to Pilates, when I work out. I want you to take at least 15 minutes to list out every person, activity or setting, where you feel in some way connected to love. And do it anytime you need to feel that expansion and that connection to love in your life. Anytime you start to feel yourself getting constricted. Now, just like an injury, a broken heart doesn't heal overnight. But engaging in these four exercises can help you feel more self-appreciation, more perspective, more insight, and at least the start of some very deep healing.
33:22 Jay Shetty? I wanted to just leave you today with one last idea. And that's that love is a very large bank with no separate accounts. When we make a deposit in the bank, we all get paid. But another aspect of Maya around love, another illusion, is that if we offer love to someone and they don't repay us, that we have lost. There's a wonderful quote from Washington Irving that goes, "Love is never lost. If not reciprocated, it will flow back and soften and purify the heart." No matter where or how you offer love, when it's sincere, it will come back to you in some way. Maybe a completely different one, but it will come back to you.
34:08 Jay Shetty? So for all of you out there, healing from a broken heart, I see you, I support you, and I want you to know that you are never truly separated from love. Because you've chosen to live your life on purpose.
34:41 Jay Shetty? This podcast was produced by Dust Light Productions. Our executive producer from Dust Light is Misha Youssef. Our senior producer is Juliana Bradley. Our associate producer is Jacqueline Castillo. Valentino Rivera is our engineer. Our music is from Blue Dot Sessions. And special thanks to Rachel Garcia, the Dust Light Development and Operations Coordinator.
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