KARL-ANTHONY TOWNS: How I Survived the Hardest Year of My Life

Karl-Anthony Towns has spent his life chasing championships, but his greatest lessons came far from the basketball court. In this heartfelt conversation with Jay Shetty, he reflects on grief, faith, family, and the moments that shaped the man behind the jersey. From honoring his late mother's legacy to embracing God's timing, discovering purpose beyond success, and building a love rooted in friendship, this episode is a moving reminder that who you become matters far more than what you achieve. Sometimes the greatest victories aren't the ones the world celebrates, they're the quiet moments when you choose to keep moving forward with hope. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty A State Farm agent can help you choose the coverage you need. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Visit: https://www.statefarm.com/ On Purpose is now Netflix and Spotify exclusive http://www.netflix.com/onpurposewithjayshetty https://open.spotify.com/show/5EqqB52m2bsr4k1Ii7sStc?si=33f7898fb334437c JAY’S DAILY WISDOM DELIVERED STRAIGHT TO YOUR INBOX Join 900,000+ readers discovering how small daily shifts create big life change with my free newsletter. Subscribe https://news.jayshetty.me/subscribe Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast What We Discuss: 00:00:00 Intro 00:00:51 Winning an NBA Championship 00:03:13 What Comes After Your Biggest Goal? 00:06:12 Slowing Down to Celebrate 00:07:38 The Walk That Changed Everything 00:11:17 Choosing Calm and Forgiveness 00:14:48 Finding Peace in Quiet Moments 00:17:03 Everyone Sees the World Differently 00:18:42 Confidence Starts at Home 00:20:09 Losing Family During COVID 00:22:42 A Final Conversation with Mom 00:26:12 Letting Go with Love 00:27:23 Making Every Moment Special 00:28:50 "You Should've Drank More" 00:31:24 Feeling Her Presence Again 00:31:48 Living with Survivor's Guilt 00:34:05 Everyone Wants to Be Heard 00:35:51 When Therapy Looks Different 00:38:04 The Coach Who Changed Everything 00:39:53 A Love Story Over Uno 00:40:27 From Friends to Forever 00:41:32 What We Learned from Each Other 00:44:22 The Luckiest Bag in Basketball 00:46:09 Traded Without Warning 00:48:43 Feeling Welcome in New York 00:50:06 The Ultimate Courtside Stress Test 00:52:48 Bouncing Back from Failure 00:54:26 The Pre-Game Routine 00:59:12 Playing for the Dominican Republic 00:59:42 Carrying Your Country with Pride 01:01:28 The Moments People Remember 01:03:24 Karl Anthony on Final Five Episode Resources: YouTube | https://www.youtube.com/c/KarlAnthonyTowns Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/karlanthonytowns/ Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/karltowns X | https://x.com/KarlTowns Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Jay Shetty?

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• 2:21Speaker 01

  This espresso is extremely hot and we're gonna fight. We're fighting.

• 2:25Jay Shetty?

  Don't burn your tongue, don't burn your tongue. Take a bit, yeah, do not burn your tongue.

• 2:29Speaker 01

  If the alcohol ain't do it, it's not gonna do it this way. I can tell you that.

• 2:34Jay Shetty?

  Hey, it's Jay. I don't know what your day's been like, but I was just thinking about you for a minute. And I hope you're being a little patient with yourself because you deserve it. And yeah, I'll talk to you soon.

• 2:57Jay Shetty?

  Carl Anthony Towns, welcome to On Purpose.

• 2:59Speaker 01

  What's up, man? What's up?

• 3:00Jay Shetty?

  Huge congratulations. Everyone in the world is talking about this moment. I feel like even my friends back in England, people are messaging me.

• 3:06Speaker 01

  I love it over there too.

• 3:07Jay Shetty?

  Oh my God, New York looks crazy. I was at game four.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 3:11Jay Shetty?

  MSG, 29 points down.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:14Jay Shetty?

  How do you remember that night?

• 3:16Speaker 01

  Well, I appreciate you staying in your seat because it was a tough game. But I remember that night, just, I remember looking at Jordan, my fiance, and just telling her before the game, I feel really good about tonight. And I had a really good energy about it. I felt really good about our team. You know, we lost game three in a heartbreaking fashion. I felt really good about us responding. Saw the shoot around, we looked very focused, prepared. You know, I felt really good going into game four. Obviously, it did not look good until halftime. I remember looking at Jordan, I was like, maybe I was wrong in the game. And, you know, at halftime, just rallying the troops, telling them, you know, we've done this before. Experience teaches you a lot in life. And, you know, a lot of times when you're young,

• 3:58Speaker 01

  you always see people who are older than you, your elders and who have had experiences. And you say, well, that was yours, that's not mine. You know, you realize we're all a lot, a lot alike. And I was just leaning on that experience of last year against Boston, coming back multiple times by 20 at their house. I was telling our guys, like, think about it. We've been in this situation before at an opponent's house. We got our fans behind us and we have a chance to still swing for the fences. And trust our experience and we found a way to get the job done. I'll never forget OG tipping the ball back in because right hand of God, man.

• 4:33Jay Shetty?

  Was it a relief seeing him do that? Or was that like, no, it sounds like you?

• 4:36Speaker 01

  Well, if you watched the game, he tipped it in, I was ready to dunk it. So we had two offensive rebounds ready to happen. And OG, man, he's just special. He's always been special. And I always tell him, even games not going his way, OG Ananobio, always in the fourth quarter, finds a way to make his presence known. And he did exactly that.

• 4:54Jay Shetty?

  But when you were saying that at halftime, were you saying that to each player, looking them in the eyes?

• 4:57Speaker 01

  It was more like, you know, when you're in the huddle, you get in the locker room and just speaking out loud and everyone just looking at me and just talking, you know, just understanding the situation is we're down 29 plus, you know, down 25 plus points, 29 points. It can't get any worse. And at the end of the day, we had the experience of being down 24, I believe, in Boston and coming all the way back and getting the game. So it's gonna take that one special play at the end to win the game. Because once you fight back, you still gotta make that one play. Last year, both games was Mikael Bridges getting a stop, getting a steal. And this year it was an offensive play with OG.

• 5:31Jay Shetty?

  You said this, this idea that this is such a life-changing moment. It's an unbelievable accomplishment. What's the most surprising thing about being a champion now? Like, what is the most surprising thing about this moment that you wouldn't have known until now when you're living it?

• 5:45Speaker 01

  Well, I said earlier, hearing that champion, that champion, like, I don't even know how you wanna say it, moniker, you wanna say whatever like that. Like, to hear that next to your name is something you don't ever think you're gonna hear in your life. Not me as a competitor, I felt my championship was always on the way. But I thought it was gonna be on my timing, it was on God's timing when I got my championship. When I say that, when I was younger, you never think you're gonna make the NBA. You never know if you have a chance. I was just hoping to get a college scholarship. That was always the goal. Just get a college scholarship and find a way to save my parents all that money in college. And I found myself here. And the thing that's so surprising with winning a championship is something life has taught you, and I think you'll understand this, is

• 6:31Speaker 01

  your whole life, you see something and you see this goal and you set this goal and you run towards this goal with all your might, all your will, all your strength. And then you finally get to it and the moment goes by so quick. And next thing you know, you're like, what's next? We won the championship on Saturday. We flew back, we were back home Sunday morning, we flew right after the game. And by Sunday afternoon, I'm like, what's next? You know, what's, what are we doing here? Like, there's no more basketball to be played. I still worked out after winning the championship. I was like, I can't stop. Like, there's no way you could tell me after being so locked in and turned up

• 7:11Speaker 01

  about playing basketball that I could just turn down and unlock myself back to the real world. It was, it was something I can't comprehend. And any NBA player, basketball player, football player, professional athlete, I think they understand what I'm gonna say, which is it's that first week out of competition that is so tough because you gotta, in essence, find yourself again. You know, it's not as easy as it sounds to just, oh, well, just go on vacation and stuff. The vacation, first two days, it feels awkward to be there. Because maybe it's like, for us, it's an all-star break. It's a two-day break, you know. Sometimes in the regular season, you'll get three days between a game. And maybe you're like in Orlando, you're in, you know, you get to go to Disney World with your family and stuff. Or you're in Houston and you get to go golfing and you get to go, you know,

• 7:56Speaker 01

  enjoy some sun or something like that. But like, the first couple of days is, it's very, it's very weird. And I haven't even really started my offseason because yesterday was the parade.

• 8:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  But you know what I'm trying to say? So I feel for me on Monday, I'm gonna really have a tough time not waking up to go to the court to play basketball, not waking up to go lift heavy in the weight room, not used to seeing my teammates, my brothers. You know, we have accomplished the highest goal possible, but now we all have to separate to go live our lives, you know, and take care of our kids, our family.

• 8:29Jay Shetty?

  You're so aware of that, though. I feel like some people win or go through that. And athletes, I've spoken to, they think about it years later.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:36Jay Shetty?

  But you're so aware now. How are you trying to slow it down, experience it, celebrate? Be still for this moment right now?

• 8:43Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, anyone who watched the parade, you see, I was definitely in the moment and I was living in it. But I do think even with the parade, like, there's a difference between living in the moment and getting lost in the moment. And I found myself living to the point I lost myself in the moment. I was having so much fun, I was enjoying the moment, seeing the crowd, seeing the jubilation of the fans, seeing a lot of people too, like, finally give me the greatest currency in New York, which is respect. And just seeing them being able to give me that respect at the pinnacle of the mountain. I was losing myself in the moment, just watching these people and just being so happy that, you know, as any person, you at the top of the podcast game, you just wanna be respected for what you do, you know?

• 9:24Speaker 01

  And to finally get that respect, to finally have people appreciate my craft. It was a really cool feeling. I got myself lost in the moment because that respect for my craft hasn't always been there in my career. And these are one of those few moments where I get to really sit back and allow the fans to show me the love and respect I've worked for, so hard for.

• 9:46Jay Shetty?

  This episode is presented by State Farm. We spend so much energy becoming the best version of ourselves, building better habits, showing up more fully, embracing mindfulness. But sometimes, the most purposeful thing you can do is just handle the thing you've been putting off. If getting your insurance sorted has been living on that list, State Farm is there to help you choose the coverage that's right for you. Go online at statefarm.com or use the easily accessible app to get help from one of their over 19,000 local agents. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Living in the moment, lost in the moment, I'll never forget that. And, and, and yeah, you deserve the respect, man. As we do on this podcast, I love going backwards because I'm fascinated by how people became who they are.

• 10:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:32Jay Shetty?

  And I wanted to ask you, what's a childhood memory you have that you think defines who you are today?

• 10:37Speaker 01

  I had to go on a walk with my dad. First of all, that is not normal. So I was like telling my dad, like, I'm a young kid. I have the whole world behind me in basketball, this next basketball prodigy. And been on covers of magazines and everything. And I remember there was a guy, he was, he had asked to work me out. And drove down, he's one of the top gurus of workout trainers in the world. And he was working out, he was working me out. And, and he was trying to mold my game more into the traditional sense of a big man back in the day. You know, back to the basket, get to these elbows, boxes, really, that's it. Well, me and my dad understand the vision I had for myself. And my dad had the vision and I wanted to do that because his whole motto was,

• 11:22Speaker 01

  I wanna make sure you have all the skills that a coach could never sit you. He was the coach. So he was like, you, I'm gonna give you the skills to make sure I can never not play you. You know, working on my guard skills, shooting three ball, you know, dribbling, being able to recognize different defenses at different places on the court, being able to be a three level scorer. That wasn't something at my size, people were supposed to be doing. You're supposed to be back to the basket, hook shots, fade, you know, maybe a fade away if you're like super talented on KG, Tim Duncan off the backboard, Dirk Nowitzki with the one leg.

• 11:54Speaker 01

  And I could see his game was trying to model me more after that. And I had a vision for myself that I would be the first of my kind.

• 12:01Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 12:01Speaker 01

  And I'm a young kid. I think I was seventh grade, sixth grade. And I remember telling my dad one time, like, let's take a walk. It's the same house my sister lives in now. And then we took a walk around the block and I know how my dad is a very, you know, prideful man, takes, you know, he's, he's the head of the household and everyone's intimidated by him, except my mom. My mom didn't give a damn. And I just took a walk with him. I was like, Dad, listen, I appreciate you wanting to do the best for me. I know this guy has accolades and the credentials to say he would be better than you training me. But he wants to work

• 12:44Speaker 01

  out with me. He wants to work me out as a player because of the time we put in together. Cause he sees something special in what we've done. I don't think he, he's the man for the job because no one understands the vision I have for myself more than you. And I think that we've gotten here and been highly successful doing it to the world together. And I don't see why we should stop doing that. When you're the one who got me to this place and you're the one that understands and believes in the vision that I have. And I remember walking my dad and I didn't know how he was gonna react. You know, he could be very like, no, like this guy is the one he, he's this and this and this and this and that.

• 13:28Speaker 01

  But my dad looked at me and I felt like, you know, I'm older now. And obviously the vision we had was the right vision. I think he just looked at me and was so proud, cause

• 13:40Speaker 01

  one, I was willing to have a tough conversation with him of all people who everyone runs away from having that convo from Coach Towns. But I think he could see that I was very serious, that I believed in him more than I believed in anyone else. And I think when he saw that, he was like, you don't have to say anymore. I'll take it from here. Call the guys like, hey, I appreciate you working my son out, giving him a chance to see what you do and stuff, but I think we're gonna go a different direction.

• 14:11Jay Shetty?

  How old were you?

• 14:12Speaker 01

  I think I was seventh grade.

• 14:13Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was like seventh grade and I was just like, I seen it and look at it now. If I would have done that, I don't know if I would have been the player I am today. I've done something in NBA that hasn't been done before and shooting wise and with the guard skills and those skills and that vision has led me finally to a NBA championship. So that was, that was big. And the small moment I always, I think of, I've never said this before, but my mom was big into birds. She was big into parakeets. It's a small story, but it means a lot. I remember one day she was cleaning the birdcage and everything like that and the birdcage was open. And she said, hey, don't close the door. I'm young. I always listened.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  But you know how it is, you know, like the, I could see the bird. The bird's never gonna be that much quicker than being, I'm cat, cat like reflexes. I never thought of that. And I remember that I opened the door to go outside just to run around and I let the door open and the bird flies out. I said, oh my God, I let down the one person in the world I never wanna let down, which is my mom. Love my dad to death, but my mom is everything. And my mom looked and she goes, she didn't show not one sunset anger. I was like, ah, the bird had better places to be anyway.

• 15:30Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  And

• 15:31Jay Shetty?

  That's beautiful.

• 15:32Speaker 01

  And I felt upset because I didn't wanna let her down. And that's how I, even today, I never wanna let my brothers down. I wanna let my teammates down. My mom approached that situation with such calm and relaxed and forgiveness that that one moment showed me a lot about, especially doing this job, this craft. It's okay to forgive people. It's not okay to forget, but it's okay to forgive people so they do not own any capacity of your life. And in doing that, when she had that story, I learned how important it is to not hold the grudge. And that you truly control how much the situation dictates your life.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  And it's something small and it's something so, it would seem so insignificant, but that led to the conversation about losing material items. Like she was telling me how my grandfather gave her a watch. And it was a gold watch. Didn't care about the brand, which is nice. She was just like, I one day went to the beach. I put the gold watch down on the thing. I went to the water. I came back. The towel and everything was there, but the gold watch was in the sand and I couldn't find it. And she said that my grandfather had told her, like, if you have ever lost something, it's not meant to be yours. And she was like, I've always believed that, that instead of me crying and getting upset about losing something and everything like that,

• 16:58Speaker 01

  it just wasn't meant to be mine anymore, or it wasn't meant to be what it is anymore. And I just saved myself a lot of anguish and pain and things like that by just simply letting it go.

• 17:12Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 17:13Speaker 01

  You got the monk background. You know how it is. So.

• 17:15Jay Shetty?

  No, it's powerful. I didn't realize you were a philosopher too.

• 17:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, nah, nah, nah.

• 17:19Jay Shetty?

  No, it's powerful. I, I, I love it. I mean,

• 17:21Speaker 01

  I'm a man, I'm just man walking the path. I'm just walking the path, man.

• 17:25Jay Shetty?

  No, but you're walking it noticing.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:27Jay Shetty?

  I've been thinking a lot about that recently. Like we talk a lot about presence or we talk a lot about being in the moment, but really it's people who notice things. Like these small moments, these small things people say, the little thing that your mom just said to you on the side, but it becomes something that you carry in your heart. What do you do now when you feel like you're letting people down? Like whether it's your teammates, people that you love, do you even go through that or do you feel free from that?

• 17:49Speaker 01

  I just do everything in my power to capitalize on the present. You know, I think when you let people down is because, you know, one, it just wasn't your day and, you know, every one of your brothers and everything will, will notice that. But two, it's more the fact of sometimes people get caught up in the future and the future never happens without the present. And the past is already done. So there ain't nothing to get back from it. So I always just stay in the present. I'm big about staying in the present. Coach Calipari always told me, told us when we was there at college. We're one of the greatest college teams ever assembled. It was, you will never have a room of talent, like the way I have the talent in this room right now. You will never have, when you guys go to the NBA, you'll never be,

• 18:33Speaker 01

  have this amount of talent in one room ever again. So enjoy this moment. Capitalize on this moment. Don't let it slip by without being thankful for this. And I've always thought of that. I've always thought about it. And it goes back to what you said, just noticing things and actually listening, you know, I, I really listen to what people say and the way they act. The way the energy they present to, to us, to me, my wife. And it's, it's so powerful when you stay in the present. You have a, you have a very hard time of letting people down because you really were there and you were giving everything you had to make sure that present was taken care of and then the future would be taken care of.

• 19:11Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 19:12Speaker 01

  So I just always stay in the present regardless of this, this conversation. It's me at brunch with my fiancee wife. I like saying wife. Fiancee just sounds, we gotta get past that part. With my wife, just having brunch or um, being with my dad, being with my sister, her niece, my niece and nephew, being at a baseball game with his baseball games and stuff like, I'm real present about putting the phone away and, and everything and really truly enjoying family time. I still grew up on appointment TV time with my, my family and my sister. So I appreciate those moments of pure silence, cause my life is full of noise. So I appreciate those moments when I get to really just disconnect from the world and truly have that one-on-one time.

• 19:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I love that. I can tell. I mean, you can see it just in your presence from the moment you walked in the room. You can feel that when someone comes in and everything slows down around them. They're really where they are and it's, I feel like athletes have to have it to be as successful as you are.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. Everyone's so wired differently, you know? And I think a lot of times when people misunderstand people, they keep saying they have to believe in exactly what they believe in, like, and if they don't believe in that, they're wrong. They're not wrong. They're just wired differently. Like, I'm a man of people. I'm a man on a mission to just spread love to everybody, not because people believe in New York Knicks basketball or because they uh, believe in how I feel about politics and stuff. I actually have had some of the best conversations with people who don't agree with what I think. And just being able to sit like this, no mics, no cameras, no lights.

• 20:49Speaker 01

  And just really just, I just wanna hear them out. I think it's fascinating to hear why people think the way they do. And you'll find a lot of times we're a lot alike and they, they just haven't had a person who has a different uh, mindset or a different approach to the situation to just calmly speak to them in a loving manner of just having a simple conversation. And you find a lot of things are miscommunications in the world that just are being refused to be talked out.

• 21:15Jay Shetty?

  I fully agree with you. I, I think that the challenge we've created in the world is we judge before we ask.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 21:22Jay Shetty?

  We assume before we reflect. We choose to make a conclusion on someone before we even have the context of walking a mile in their shoes. And it's so easy to live that way, but actually it creates so many complexities moving forward. For you, did you ever doubt yourself on the way to the NBA? Was there a moment of insecurity, a moment of, I might not make it?

• 21:43Speaker 01

  To be honest, my confidence was always driven by my, my support system and my family. I, I never thought I wasn't gonna make it. I always believed that anything that the success I would have while making it would be determined by how much I wanted to work. So I wasn't gonna allow anyone to outwork me. Cause I seen how my parents struggled. I seen how they worked nine to fives and was able to put food on the table. I always, you know, I'm blessed that maybe I didn't have millions of dollars growing up at a silver spoon, but what I did have was a ton of love and that's more currency than anything you could get in a family. You know, I had so much love in my family that that's, that's all I ever needed. I felt to be wealthy

• 22:25Speaker 01

  was just, just love. And I never doubted myself at all. Not one bit.

• 22:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 22:31Speaker 01

  Even to this day, I never doubted the championship wasn't coming my way. But like I said, I thought the championship would come on my time.

• 22:38Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  And it was gonna come on God's time.

• 22:40Jay Shetty?

  What was your time? And this was God's.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  First five years, I would have loved you. I thought I could get one in Minnesota right away and I thought all my time I would be getting this championship and God had other plans and I had to slow down and trust his timing. And once I slowed down and said, I'm on your timing, I'm not gonna push what I want to happen. I'm sitting here now with the championship moniker and it's pretty cool.

• 23:03Jay Shetty?

  Talking about family, you've spoken about how important it is to you. I also know, and I'm so sorry for your loss, but you lost eight family members during COVID and you were even hospitalized yourself.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  And my dad, my dad actually survived with my mom, so.

• 23:19Jay Shetty?

  How did you even begin to process that? What was going through your heart and mind when you were going through it?

• 23:25Speaker 01

  I mean, I think the whole world was going through an epidemic we've never been through. I've never seen New York have nobody in the streets, you know, nobody was, you know, the pictures were insane and looked like I am legend, truthfully.

• 23:37Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  I just feel like my life has built me up to be so mentally tough. And it was never about rah rah and screaming and yelling at people. I've always felt my leadership style was serving leadership. I'm here to serve others. That's literally when I'm at my best, that's when I get to serve others, whether that's with kindness, love, or in basketball, being able to give them an assist, be able to pick them up, be able to score the basket. So whatever mistake they made is covered up. Like, I've always felt my, my style was serving leadership. I was just built up mentally to be able to withstand these kind of punishments. And nothing could have prepared me for that.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  And watching my mother lead the household and watching my father demand respect and gain respect and being able to be tenacious with his competitive attitude competitively. I knew I could go at this challenge of stepping into the head of the household, stepping into taking care of my father, stepping into her shoes. As a competitor, I wanted to do the best job I could do to match hers, because I never thought I could win, but I never thought I was gonna lose. So I was just more of like, I could do this. And I knew from watching her so up close for all these years, I, I knew how she approached different situations, how she took care of people, my grandmother, her mom, my father,

• 25:04Speaker 01

  my sister in certain situations and being able to understand the meaning of love from her, I was able to appropriately show that love to people, show that love to our family and step into her shoes of taking care of the household, being the, the head of it. And I feel like I'm doing a great job. I feel like I'm making her proud and I just continue to stay in the present. It's a challenge every day. It's a challenge every single day to make sure everyone is feeling at their best.

• 25:35Jay Shetty?

  You tragically lost your mom at that time. And I wanted to ask, like, did you, because it was COVID, I lost people during COVID. I couldn't even go back to see them. Did you get any last moments with her? Were you able to be there with her?

• 25:50Speaker 01

  I got to talk to her on FaceTime before I, I had to make that decision of pulling the plug. I, I definitely, I went and saw her personally with the hazmat suit and saw, walked in the room, I fixed her hair, made sure her toenails looked good. She looked fabulous, her eyebrows right before everything. And yeah, just washed her face and, and just make sure she was comfortable as possible and had my final conversations with her and talking to her and everything like that. And it was a crazy feeling. It was, it was crazy because it was, you know, I, I, I felt we had a real conversation, but she didn't say a word back to me, but I felt like energy always, always travels, you know?

• 26:34Speaker 01

  And I just remember being there right before there. I remember being on the phone with my fiance now, my wife and Jordan and asking her what to do in these situations, like where she was with her father. And she gave me kind of like some tips and just kind of like letting me know it's gonna be okay. And that's when I went upstairs in the hospital and saw her for the last time. It was one of those things that like, I didn't get lost in the moment. I was living in the moment, but the moment was very, it was heavy. It was a very heavy moment, especially it was COVID. So they didn't allow my father to go up there and they didn't allow my sister to go up there. It was only one person, they all picked me to go. It was one of those moments I, it was, it was tough conversations I had and it was

• 27:16Speaker 01

  conversations that I appreciated that I was always talking about staying in the present, that I got to tell her a bunch of things alive when she was cognitive about a lot. So we talked about everything. There was only one thing we really never got to talk about and I used that moment kind of to talk to her about it. And I'm glad I did, it worked out.

• 27:38Jay Shetty?

  Can you share what that was?

• 27:39Speaker 01

  I actually told her, I said, you know, I have this friend of mine, she's been helping me with all this stuff. I've never introduced you properly to her. I know we're friends, I don't know what life has for us, but you know, let me know if this is supposed to be something that is gonna happen or will happen. But I know when you step into that next life, in that next realm, you'll, you'll look out for me and you'll, you'll let me know if this is the right situation to come into my life possibly.

• 28:10Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  What is it, seven years later, we're getting married this summer?

• 28:14Jay Shetty?

  And you felt, you felt like an inner.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  I don't know, I just, my gut has been so good at telling me about life and I feel because I've lived the right way. I'm not saying I'm perfect in any sort of fashion, but I've tried. And that's more than enough than what God asks for all of us is to try. And I try. I don't know, I just felt like I didn't want to leave any stone unturned. So that was the only thing I feel like we never got to talk about. And even like her opinion, just like, you know, friends, like, you know, just to meet her, say hi, because me and Jordan had never been in that level ever. And it was like weird for us to hug, even if for like two and a half years. So like I said, I didn't want to leave anything unturned. You live in the present, don't think about the future. I was, I'd rather let you know and you'll let me know if this situation is something.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  And I guess you was pushing it to happen because everything aligned up perfectly and now we're getting married. So obviously it's the right one.

• 29:07Jay Shetty?

  I can't imagine how hard it is also to make the decision. I think when we're losing people we love, we want to hold on to them.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:13Jay Shetty?

  And so as you said, to pull the plug and let go of the person you love, that must be like a terrifying decision. How did you even make sense of it?

• 29:24Speaker 01

  I didn't, I don't know if I did. I tried everything. I tried every other route than that. I would have taken her in any condition. It didn't matter if we needed to change our lives around for her, whatever the case, maybe I would have done anything. But I don't think there was a, a way she was gonna have a meaningful recovery, you know? I don't think that she was actually going to make it regardless. So it's tough when you have to make those really tough decisions. And we're not talking about either going to vacation here or there, or do you eat this or that for dinner? I'm talking about like the true life and death decision, you know? Either you have to be willing to have death of your ego or, you know, you gotta have a death of opportunity.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  And I picked the death of my ego for the best of her.

• 30:14Jay Shetty?

  Hardest decision.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:16Jay Shetty?

  You said that your mom always knew how to make the celebration special.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:21Jay Shetty?

  The big moments.

• 30:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, she did.

• 30:22Jay Shetty?

  What kind of things would she do?

• 30:24Speaker 01

  My birthdays was one of them and she made them feel so grand and it was so simple, but it was just so much because of the energy she brought to it. Yeah, she, she did an amazing job of just making all those moments feel so special. And, you know, now with, you know, Jordan, we try to kind of mimic that energy for a lot of things especially. And that's how we approach people's birthdays or like she has a nephew in Lake that we love to celebrate. My niece and nephew, I love to celebrate their birthdays and, and, and special moments and stuff like that. I'm just fortunate now, especially winning a championship in New York, that I get to be closer to my family in Jersey, my niece, my nephew, my sister.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  So it gets a little easier to do something, you know, when they're growing up and stuff. It's easy to show up at the Little League baseball game. It's easy to show up at a dance recital. It's easy to do that. So I'm just trying, like I said, I'm just stepping into her shoes, trying to do as much as I can that she would done for us.

• 31:24Jay Shetty?

  I can relate to what you're saying. So my mom used to, I remember, we didn't have a lot growing up, but on my birthday, I'd get to like one thing I wanted as a surprise or at Christmas, the one thing I wanted. And it was, it's probably one of my favorite memories with my mom of just like how she'd know exactly what I wanted. She'd figure it out, she'd find a way to surprise me. And I wanted to ask you, what, what do you think your mom would say to you if she was here right now and seeing you become the champion that you are?

• 31:52Speaker 01

  Well, I think first she would say, you didn't drink more. She would be so happy. She would just be definitely hugging me up, kissing me a ton, just saying how proud of she is of me and how awesome this is. And I don't know, I, I just feel like it would have, it would have been really cool to see how she would have reacted at the parade. I feel like she would have ran off the float, started running with the people. So I feel like she would just be super proud. I feel like she would be emotional. So I feel like a lot of it would just be her crying and being super excited and just enjoying these moments of, of, I, I laugh when I say it, but it is funny. And my sister hearing this will laugh when she'll be like, you didn't drink more? Like, it's a celebration. Like, we gotta go even harder. You gotta, you gotta find a way to do more.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  And I found more happiness with this championship in game one. Before the game started, I found more happiness than, than I found in the rest of the series.

• 32:50Jay Shetty?

  Really? Why?

• 32:51Speaker 01

  Because I felt her presence so strongly and I, and I yearned for it so bad. That was probably the best moment. And you would think it would be the moment right after winning, celebrating, screaming and stuff. You would think it would be the right hand tip in by OG. I, I think it was before game one started in the 10, in the 20 minutes on that court before we had to go back to, to do the national anthem. I felt such a presence that it was just so obvious that it had to be her. And I've yearned for that moment ever since she passed more than the championship. And when I got that moment, I felt so at peace and I felt, I, I just kept smiling because it was something I, I feel like we were having our own like dance, but we weren't

• 33:36Speaker 01

  saying any words and I just felt the presence. And it was, when I said that at the end of game one, it was real. Like, I just was having fun. I know it got competitive, you may not see me smiling a lot, but I felt very comfortable. I felt very at peace and that was one of those moments. And I don't want to diminish the value of winning a championship with me as to one of the best feelings ever, but like. That's supernatural. That's something that I can't explain the value behind that. Like, when you say it's one of the best feelings in the world, there's a value associated. There's no, that's priceless. Like, that's so rare. You get one of those moments. It's like her appearing in a dream. I'd wake up and cry after that. And to have that moment of feeling of that presence, like, that was special.

• 34:19Jay Shetty?

  How did you notice and feel her presence?

• 34:20Speaker 01

  It was so calming. It just felt like, the music felt like the best music ever. Dribbling the basketball felt just so youthful. Like, it felt like I had just played basketball for the first time. I fell in love with it again. And her presence was felt. I just, it was, it was cool. The music felt like the best music I ever heard. I felt like Tame Impala and Black Coffee came to.

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• 37:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, there and then it was, it was amazing.

• 37:35Jay Shetty?

  You've talked before about this idea of survivor's guilt from that time. How is that changed over time?

• 37:42Speaker 01

  This is different. I mean, I feel like there's always survivor's guilt, you know, it's one of those things that if my mom didn't get in, I got it early on, maybe I would have done better, you know, younger athlete. Maybe I would have, you know, had a better chance. And all the family I haven't been able to see, I think more of my survivor's guilt comes from more of the family and my mom not being able to see these moments. The championship, getting engaged.

• 38:08Jay Shetty?

  Married, yeah.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, kids, you know, not having kids now, but like, you know, in the future, having kids, like, being there for that process and everything, like, you know, uh, I feel that's more of like the guilt I have, because I know these are moments she would really want to experience. And it wasn't God's timing, it wasn't my time for her to see that, you know, she got to see my sister have the kids, live her life, ups and downs, like, she got to see that. And for me, you know, she got to see me reach the pinnacle of basketball, which is make the NBA, make All-Star game, make another one. You know, it was like one of those things. She seen me, but that never really defined me.

• 38:49Speaker 01

  As it always defined me as my whole entire life, like I said, since I was young, I was told to be a basketball prodigy and as life goes on and experience and experience and experience goes by, I realize it never defined me about who I, who I am. And, uh, I'll leave you with this quote, what I do gets more attention than who I am, even though who I am is more important than what I do.

• 39:10Jay Shetty?

  I fully agree.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  And I just, I believe that. And over years and years of being told you're this basketball prodigy, you're really good at basketball. I was like, is that it? Is that all you get from doing this is being told you're good at basketball? What about like, how many communities have I helped? How many people have I served? That's your leadership style. You gotta live by that too. So it was something that I realized basketball didn't define me. Once I went through experience and experienced, got in the NBA, did some of the things I've dreamed of, seen the hardships that come with it. And then when I lost her, it didn't come close to defining me anymore. I realized it didn't mean as much as I thought it did.

• 39:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. What you just said is the exact reason I started this podcast. I wanted a space that people could come and talk about their purpose, talk about who they were more than what they did, and talk about the human behind the high performance and talk about the heart behind the championships and the wins. And I actually saw an interview, I was about to go on stage, this is eight years ago, before I launched the show, Tom Brady was speaking before me. And he was being interviewed and I was backstage waiting to go on stage. And the interviewer just kept, he kept trying to talk about meaningful things. And the interviewer just kept saying, talk about the rings, Tom, talk about the rings. And you could tell that Tom was trying to talk about meaningful things. And he just wasn't allowed.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:36Jay Shetty?

  And I was like, oh, got it. Like, we just want people to be

• 40:41Speaker 01

  What we think.

• 40:42Jay Shetty?

  What we think, in this two D version of who they are, and not letting them be there. So I appreciate you opening up so much because as I'm listening to him, like, this is why we started this, it's for you, for you to be able to say that.

• 40:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And I hope it helps a lot of people too, because

• 40:55Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  A lot of times, you know, mental health is real. And I also think a lot of times people just want to be heard. And they never really feel heard, because people are never willing to actually say the real things. They want to come out and podcasts and stuff like that and be cool. What is quote unquote, cool? You know, don't care, relax, chill. Oh, yeah, you know, I've come on, Jay, you know what I'm trying to say? I do this, I do that. That's it, man. Like, nah, like, we really, people, and we really have different ways we got to this point, to this story. And all these seats have stories. And all these seats have a reason why the person is the person. And it just takes a little bit of time just to be able to like, let them open up and explain why they are the way they are.

• 41:37Jay Shetty?

  You've talked before about this idea of how you didn't want to go to therapy because you weren't ready to talk. And then you'd just be sitting there. Has, has your view on that changed? Does that help?

• 41:48Speaker 01

  I think therapy is great. I just think that for me, therapy wasn't what I needed in the conventional sense.

• 41:55Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Your therapy looks different.

• 41:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got therapy in a different way. I got therapy in someone I really trust, someone I call like a sensei, uh, Arnie Kander, he's the head of Magic, uh, of the Orlando Magic Health, uh, Sports side.

• 42:10Jay Shetty?

  Oh, cool.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  And their P T, you know, the, the health and, uh, uh, strength and conditioning. He's the head of there. And he's always been like a sensei to me. He was best friends with my mom as well, my dad, they talked all the time. He's always been like a second father to me. I just kind of leaned on him for those really hard hitting questions, because I'm able to be open with him. I'm able to tell him any little thing in my life and feel it's safe. And I didn't think I needed the conventional of getting a therapist in the city. In Minnesota, sitting down, doing that when I could just go in my office, call Arnie and allow him to like hear my thoughts and give me honest feedback and maybe things.

• 42:52Speaker 01

  And we've had really deep conversations, some really dark, some just saying how I'm doing, like think really good. And he's been, uh, he's been vital for me just in my life because he was doing this before anything, even when she was here. I didn't think therapy, the conventional way was good for me. I didn't think it would be as beneficial as having already someone I trusted that I was willing to really spill my heart out to and understood that my heart was not gonna be, the cup wasn't gonna be given to someone else for their benefit. It was a true, I'm gonna hear you out like a son and I'm gonna give you an unbiased opinion and I'm gonna give you a monk opinion as well. So I was, uh, I was appreciative, I'm

• 43:35Speaker 01

  always appreciative for him. I talk to him a lot. Uh, he's like a second dad to me. And it's, uh, it was one of those things. So I, I think therapy is great. And I think a lot of people miss the opportunity to really step outside with, with less baggage.

• 43:52Jay Shetty?

  I had the opportunity to speak to Kobe Bryant. Kobe, we talk about Phil Jackson. And it's like that kind of mentorship, it's actually quite special to sports.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 44:01Jay Shetty?

  I find like athletes, when you find like the right coach.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:04Jay Shetty?

  Even the way you're speaking about your coaches and.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:06Jay Shetty?

  PT is like what you've learned over time. It's like, it's a special relationship. And I think the majority of the world who don't have coaches or people in their life that they look to for guidance, like in other careers, you don't have that.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  Yes. And that's why I think it becomes, uh, a therapist is a great option because like you said, there's certain people you run into in life that are just wired differently.

• 44:27Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  And able to do some special things. They have special talents. That's why we're all the top of our game. And they have special talents that utilized in the right way can take you to another level. I feel like Arnie's special talent was relationships and his ability to listen and come back at a, a different mindset. And he's very, you know, he spent time with the monks. He's been.

• 44:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  You know, has the Catholic background, Christian background, Buddhistic background, very like natural based, everything like the ground is that, the soil, like everything's like alive. You gotta be very.

• 45:03Jay Shetty?

  Oh, wow.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Respectful of everything. When I leave, uh, he's the reason when I leave hotel rooms, I thank the hotel room for allowing me to live in the hotel room.

• 45:11Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  Little things like that, like that mindset. And I just, I'm forever grateful for him.

• 45:17Jay Shetty?

  What I love about that is you just wouldn't expect it.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, no.

• 45:20Jay Shetty?

  That's surprising. Like you've been grateful to a hotel room.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, literally. And that's, and Jordan, when she was like, she was like, who are you? When we first like went to a hotel room, she's like, who are you talking to? And I was like, nobody.

• 45:29Jay Shetty?

  Oh, you're saying it out loud too?

• 45:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I say it out loud. So, you know, I thank the room. I thank it for allowing me to live in here. Thank you for blessing this energy and this time. And I walk out and close the door.

• 45:40Jay Shetty?

  Let's talk about Jordan, cause you've been mentioning it the whole time.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  Oh, God. Yeah, yeah.

• 45:43Jay Shetty?

  Let's talk about how you met. How did you actually?

• 45:45Speaker 01

  Over Uno.

• 45:46Jay Shetty?

  No way.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  Literally, uh, in LA.

• 45:49Jay Shetty?

  Just you two?

• 45:50Speaker 01

  Yes. It was me, me, her and my friend.

• 45:52Jay Shetty?

  Okay.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  Chucky.

• 45:53Jay Shetty?

  Okay.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  I beat both of them.

• 45:54Jay Shetty?

  You did?

• 45:55Speaker 01

  I didn't let her win one time.

• 45:57Jay Shetty?

  Has she beat you since?

• 45:58Speaker 01

  No comment.

• 46:00Jay Shetty?

  Who made the first move? Who was like?

• 46:02Speaker 01

  She's gonna say in a way it was me and I was, and she knows damn sure it was her. She made the first move. So obviously it was, um, I guess in a way it was mutual.

• 46:14Jay Shetty?

  You were talking about earlier before, when we started this idea of like how, you know, you don't see relationships last that long always.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Especially like, yeah, NBA player with a, a woman that's heavily involved in, in Hollywood and everything like that doesn't ever seem like a recipe that works.

• 46:30Jay Shetty?

  What makes it work for you guys? How have you found it?

• 46:32Speaker 01

  Cause we wanted to work and our whole relationship was based off of friendship of two and a half years of no romantic, no anything. It was just strictly platonic, like how we're just great friends. We vibe with each other. We, we know that we're here for each other. I, I think, you know, just for us, it's always fun that we, we truly do enjoy each other's presence and we do love hanging out with each other with doing nothing, you know, simple. And I think that's what makes a special relationship when you truly, um, enjoy each other's presence. But it's more of a friendship. Like I, I enjoy just hanging out, doing nothing. We don't even have to say a word to each other, but she could be watching TV. I could be on my phone playing a game or she could be on her phone playing a game and I'm watching YouTube and none of us complain about anything. We're

• 47:16Speaker 01

  just happy to be next to each other. So it's really cool.

• 47:19Jay Shetty?

  What's one thing she's taught you and one thing you've taught her?

• 47:22Speaker 01

  She's taught me a lot. And I think one of the greatest things she taught me was how good Sushi is. But I would say from a real aspect of emotional, everyday living, she's really taught me how boundaries can be safe. They don't have to be so aggressive. When you hear the word boundaries, you think of it's an aggressive, uh, block. But she makes it seem it's a, that you can have healthy boundaries that work for everybody and make you feel good as well. I think I'm a patient person. I feel like she's helped me understand patience is a good thing as well. Cause sometimes I, I am very patient and she's very patient. So

• 48:04Speaker 01

  we both could kind of like it. So it allows me to like take that competitive edge of when she gets impatient and be like, it's okay, just relax. I think for me to her, I believe she would say just through all the bad that the life throws at you and all the obstacles and the trials and tribulations. She always talks about how I bring that youth into, uh, an energy into a room where it doesn't seem like things are so bad. And just kind of keeping it very cheerful and, and, and positive and youthful. I think that's really what she loves is that, you know, I kind of make her bring that inner child back out even at the age that we are now where it doesn't have to be so serious. Like

• 48:47Speaker 01

  we're in Target. Let's go have a lightsaber fight around Target. Like.

• 48:51Jay Shetty?

  You've done that before? How'd you get away with that?

• 48:53Speaker 01

  Minnesota. It's not New York. So we doing stuff like that or putting her in a car and the shopping cart in Target and just doing laps around Target. Just stupid kid stuff you would do. And, and you know, now that we finally found each other in this world and we found each other at this time, we don't have to act older because we met older.

• 49:17Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  You know, we could still bring that youth back into our lives and just little things like that.

• 49:22Jay Shetty?

  I love hearing that. By the way, I mean, it sounds beautiful and I'm so happy that you guys got married. This is like, congrats. It's huge. I feel like her orange bag became its own all-star.

• 49:32Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. That's the greatest, that may be the greatest clothing article ever. That may be one of the greatest things in New York history for sure. It has to be the greatest bag ever made, a greatest piece of article of clothing ever. I mean, it must be up there with like George Washington coming to, coming to America, establishing, uh, United States. It's, it's something special. It needs to be in a, in a, in a museum here.

• 49:55Jay Shetty?

  In a museum? Is she willing to give it up for a museum?

• 49:57Speaker 01

  I mean, that's, that's like one of the greatest pieces of ever. So I mean, what Guggenheim has to do it. I would feel, I feel like Guggenheim has to be the best place. I mean, Smithsonian is like up there with like dinosaurs and stuff. So.

• 50:09Jay Shetty?

  How did you feel when she couldn't get it in to the game where obviously Trump came?

• 50:13Speaker 01

  You know, I knew it was real when my teammates said, is she gonna still bring the bag?

• 50:17Jay Shetty?

  No way.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  My teammates were still asking about the bag. So.

• 50:20Jay Shetty?

  Did it feel hard that day when she couldn't bring it in like?

• 50:22Speaker 01

  It was just off. The day was off. You don't see the bag, you know, you can't really drive into MSG. You gotta go to a hotel and then drive in with a bus. And you're used to just driving yourself into MSG. So it was just a weird day. It was different.

• 50:34Jay Shetty?

  It's crazy that the bag had that much power.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  Right. The bag. The bag has all the power. I'm, I'm giving all credit to the bag. Woods by Jordan bag got it done. I'm not gonna lie to you. Tell me another piece of clothing, right? Article of clothing that you ever seen have that consistent of a result. Like, I don't know.

• 50:52Jay Shetty?

  I can't think of anything.

• 50:53Speaker 01

  I don't, that's what I'm saying. Like, think about it. That Woods by Jordan bag went through the greatest comeback in finals history. It went through in, in the Eastern Conference Finals, came back again from 20 plus, which is the largest comeback, I think.

• 51:05Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  It went 13, what 13? Well, if you count the game, we didn't, the game we lost, she didn't bring the bag. So what? That's 15 games in a row, one, still counting with the bag there? Cause next year we go and do it again?

• 51:19Jay Shetty?

  I'm glad your teammates agree too.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  That's the part that was funny. You know how crazy it is to get men to agree on a woman's bag being that lucky? Like that never happens. Like JB, JC, OG, Josh Hart, everybody was like, yo, is the bag gonna make it? Like we gotta find a way to do this. So.

• 51:38Jay Shetty?

  Where's the bag now? Is it safe?

• 51:39Speaker 01

  That bag is resting.

• 51:41Jay Shetty?

  Okay.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  She, she, Jordan says it to see, she's resting. She, she, she's right now gonna enjoy her off season. I, I, I think she's gonna retire. I think she's gonna retire on top. She's gonna hand a memo in like Michael Jordan and just be like, I'm done. It's over.

• 51:54Jay Shetty?

  We have to find a new one for next year.

• 51:56Speaker 01

  I know.

• 51:56Jay Shetty?

  This episode is brought to you by Amazon Health AI. We've got to talk about those panicked internet searches. You know, the ones that I'm talking about, when something about your body just doesn't seem right. So you search and search and scroll and scroll and trying to figure out your body by endlessly looking for answers. Thankfully now there's Amazon Health AI. It can connect your symptoms with your medical history and it can even get you care 24/7. So call off the search. Amazon Health AI is here. Healthcare just got less painful. How did it feel when you were actually being traded from Minnesota?

• 52:34Speaker 01

  Oh, that was a wild moment. That was a wild moment, especially when I seen everybody that morning. So it was a wild thing. Um. I would say the honest feeling at the moment was I was shocked that my career in Minnesota ended like that. Like no warnings, no signs, no one in NBA knew. It was not a murmur, a whisper and nothing. Just in the dark happened. And, um, usually, you know, you think you'll see the ending, you'll see the end of the book, you know? And I didn't know the book was ending on me and I was the one that was part of it. I thought I was the author and I became the character in the book. So I was kind of shocked that my career was ending. I remember being told to my house that I go to my office, I see my achievements in

• 53:17Speaker 01

  Minnesota. And I was like, that's just how it ends? Just, just snap of the finger, you're done. Bye. Gotta go. And that's why I was, it was, it was a weird feeling. And I look back at it now and of course I, I wanted to win a title there. I wanted to be there the rest of my career. I made it clearly, clearly known that I wanted to do that. But maybe I had to go and get traded somewhere else. Maybe I had to go somewhere so I could show my true value and true worth to the world. And, um, I'm just honored that New York gave me a chance to do that. And I'm glad I was able to repay that, that, that belief with a championship.

• 53:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. We always hear that phrase like rejection is just redirection.

• 53:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:57Jay Shetty?

  And I'm like, you're living it right now. Like to go through that moment of feeling like.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:01Jay Shetty?

  I love what you just said, like from going, from being the author to being the character, but then the character gets to go in. Write a new story.

• 54:08Speaker 01

  The character, the character found the, uh, he got a sequel to the book and I, I, if I wasn't gonna be the author, I, I wanted to make sure I was the main character and the character was actually driving the story. And I thought it was, it's a humbling thing. It's a humbling thing to be able to look back at it now and smile about what happened. Got the championship. I was able to be back home. I was able to be with my mom's mom and stuff like that. But I would be lying if there's not a bittersweet feeling that it wasn't, you know, at Target Center, holding that trophy, having the parade down First Ave over there and, uh, seeing the Minnesota fans that raised me since I was a kid, you know, and to see me now as a man, um, not be able to bring that to them, that, that does bring

• 54:53Speaker 01

  me some pain inside.

• 54:55Jay Shetty?

  Maybe one day.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  I don't know. Nah, I don't think so. I don't know what life got for me. I always say it's on God's timing. I, I don't, well, no. I'll see what he has planned for me.

• 55:04Jay Shetty?

  Tell me about, who was, who made you feel most welcome at the Knicks?

• 55:08Speaker 01

  JB and everyone really welcomed me a lot. OG was very welcome. I remember he was the first person I got to like, he, he invited me over to his house and I was able to like, talk to him. So I was not aware OG didn't talk. Cause my first day with OG, we had great conversations and were laughing and talking. And I only realized when we got to training camp, I was actually to be like, wow, he does not talk. But he talks to me a bunch. So they were really welcoming me, me in. And I think what was also great was, you know, earning the respect of them as a man and as a player from afar. I was able to walk in and be myself right away. And then, and not feel like I had to be like, like I was stepping on toes or anything like that. But obviously it's an adjustment,

• 55:49Speaker 01

  you know, I didn't know everybody there. I hadn't, I only knew, uh, Matt Ryan was the only teammate I had in Minnesota. So we had familiarity with each other, but everyone else was new to me, you know, TJ Warren, you know, I've known a while. So I kind of felt familiar with, but I never really got to know Josh Hart for Josh Hart. I never knew, got to know OG. I never, Jalen and me have a lot, a ton of respect from far away, not actually as teammates, as hanging out. So it was great. It was great to like, feel that welcome energy. And it was great to be able to, um, be allowed to affect change right away, especially with the way my season started last year.

• 56:27Jay Shetty?

  We have a fun game we made for you.

• 56:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 56:29Jay Shetty?

  This is called the courtside stress test.

• 56:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 56:32Jay Shetty?

  But you're not a stressed out guy. So it might be called the courtside excitement.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 56:36Jay Shetty?

  So what you have to do is on a scale of one to 10, you have to tell me how stressed or excited you were to have this person courtside at the Knicks game.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Oh, this is a good one. I like it.

• 56:43Jay Shetty?

  Okay, good. Mariska Hargitay.

• 56:45Speaker 01

  I see her and start smiling. So I probably would say like a seven or six, cause right when you see her, you go dun dun. But, uh, it was cool to understand how close everyone is too.

• 56:55Jay Shetty?

  Okay. So Adam Sandler.

• 56:57Speaker 01

  I would say, uh, eight.

• 56:59Jay Shetty?

  Spike Lee.

• 57:00Speaker 01

  Eight. Yeah, eight, nine.

• 57:02Jay Shetty?

  Fat Joe.

• 57:03Speaker 01

  Come on, I was Mr. Fat Joe. But he not Fat Joe anymore. He more like Skinny Joe.

• 57:07Jay Shetty?

  Okay.

• 57:07Speaker 01

  I'll say more like seven.

• 57:09Jay Shetty?

  Timothee Chalamet and Kylie Jenner.

• 57:10Speaker 01

  It was great to see Timmy. I love seeing Timmy. I get more, I get more like laughy with Timmy and I see Timmy and Kylie's awesome. So, uh, seven.

• 57:17Jay Shetty?

  Sydney Sweeney.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  Uh, seven.

• 57:19Jay Shetty?

  Tina Fey.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  Tina Fey is funny. I love Tina Fey.

• 57:22Jay Shetty?

  We were a game four together.

• 57:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, eight.

• 57:24Jay Shetty?

  Eight, okay, very cool. Uh, Ben Stiller.

• 57:26Speaker 01

  Nine. Yeah.

• 57:27Jay Shetty?

  Tracy Morgan.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  Nine.

• 57:29Jay Shetty?

  Taylor Swift.

• 57:30Speaker 01

  Eight, seven. And it's, I'm saying eight, seven, cause I mean, you're genuinely excited just to see anyone who comes new to the game.

• 57:37Jay Shetty?

  Larry David.

• 57:38Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, eight. He was awesome.

• 57:40Jay Shetty?

  Jerry Seinfeld.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  Eight.

• 57:42Jay Shetty?

  Donald Trump.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  He wasn't courtside, so that was a trick question.

• 57:45Jay Shetty?

  Jimmy Fallon.

• 57:46Speaker 01

  Oh, eight.

• 57:47Jay Shetty?

  That's awesome. You did great.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  All these people are great. I just feel like those nines is like, Ben, Ben is such a iconic Knicks fan. And also he's such, such an amazing guy. So I feel like he's a nine. I feel like Spike Lee's a nine. I'm gonna give him a shout out. Al Palagonia's a nine. And he knows exactly why. The only person that would be a 10, I get excited about is, uh, Jordan. I only get excited. I get a 10 for, Jordan's the only one who gets a 10.

• 58:13Jay Shetty?

  That's beautiful, man. I love that.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  I'm just happy my dad's there. So I'm, I'm super happy. I would say he's a 10 too. My dad, but, and Jordan, I'm blessed to say this. And I had a guy who told, a friend of mine who told me this. He's a pastor and he said, I love how normal it is for you to see your dad. That's something I never got to live.

• 58:31Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  So I think for me, it's a, I would say I'm more grateful as, at a 10 to see my dad at the games. I'm always excited to see him at the games, but I love and I'm blessed that it's a normal thing. And to see Jordan at my games, it, it gets me really excited. I mean, that's my best friend. So that's the only one that gets a 10.

• 58:50Jay Shetty?

  What a great answer, man. I'm glad I asked you all of that. Only, only you would take it to that level. Now I'm getting to know you a little bit today. I'm like, only you would take it to that level. I want to focus the last few questions on mindset. When you're in the playoffs, when you're down and out, it felt like every game you guys were the underdogs.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, every series.

• 59:07Jay Shetty?

  Every game, every series, like you guys are behind, you're coming back. How do you like, from a pure mental performance perspective, or even, I mean, you're a philosopher to go there if you want to go there, but how do you find that gear? When you're down and you're the underdog, what are you doing? Where are, where are you finding that extra gear?

• 59:27Speaker 01

  Just competitive nature, just not wanting to lose, not wanting to let down the city, these fans. I mean it when I said it before, after the game too, like they're putting their nine to fives, life savings. They think it's a joke. They're kids tuition online to watch us play MSG. You don't want them to go away and not feel like they got a show, or at least had something to cheer for. It's our duty as players, it's our job as players to, uh, make sure that we continue to give them something to cheer for. And as men, as competitors, you know, every day in New York, your, your, your, your respect is on the line and you have to continue to earn it every single day. They don't care about what happened last game. They care about what's happening today. And every day

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  you gotta go and earn your respect.

• 1:00:13Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, the tough fans.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  And that's, then they're the best fans. And look what those fans did for us now. Every day, that, that kind of, um, I would say positive fear, it makes you get on that court and, and do everything you can to earn their respect. And then doing that, you get 1% better, you get 1% better, you get 1% better. And now you're sitting at a parade yesterday, you know, and, uh, our fans always show up. If they see the work and, the work and effort you're putting in every single day, they're gonna make sure that you feel welcomed and you feel, uh, you feel special.

• 1:00:45Jay Shetty?

  Everything I've learned from you today, I'm like, you're so present, so intentional. What does your prep look like for a big playoff game? What is your morning routine, evening routine? Walk me through how you're.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna lie, the routine's the same regardless, even in the playoffs.

• 1:00:57Jay Shetty?

  What does it look like?

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  Be the first one at the gym. If we have shoot around at 11, I'll be there at seven, work on my body.

• 1:01:04Jay Shetty?

  Four hours earlier.

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, work on my body and stuff like that. Turn the lights on in the practice facility, maybe get a lift, uh, go and shoot on the court before shoot around, do the shoot around, shoot a little bit after, go back home, have a, have some pasta, have a smoothie, get sleep, wake up an hour before I have to leave, you know, shower up, get relaxed, play some music, uh, get dressed, head out to the game. And the game's what? Uh, 7:30? I'll usually get there around like 4:30, 4:15. I'll be the first one there and just work on my body again, get treatment, get warmed up, feel good, mentally be engaged. Before the game, honestly, I could be doing anything other than basketball. It's always

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  like everything but basketball. Like, you know, when I'm there in that time, I'll watch the tape, make sure I understand my opponents a little better, maybe little, little things that I could pick up on the court to help lead us on defense and offensively, maybe see little things that change up. So kind of coaching on, on the court as well, relay back to the coaches, hey, they're about to be in zone, they're about to be a man, they're about to trap, they're about to do this. And, uh, how do we want to adjust to that? Helping JB out as much as possible and doing all the logistical work out there. Yeah. And after that is really such different things than basketball. Could be looking at sports cards, could be looking at trading cards, could be talking to Jordan about something completely different than basketball. It could be watching, uh, YouTube. I could be

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  watching highlights, YouTube golf. I could be watching their podcasts, you know, so I could be doing a lot. So I do everything other than the basketball part and just kind of get my mind away, cause I'm gonna have enough time to be in the present. Cause once I'm locked in, I'm locked in. And Jordan says, this is the first year of all my years that I've actually acknowledged her in the game. Cause I'm so locked in that you're talking about, you know, what was the, the game about the celebrity row? I don't see anybody.

• 1:02:58Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  I don't see anyone on the court. I don't see the fans. I don't see none of that. It's all just shadows to me. And all I see is this court that's lit with 10 people on it are playing basketball. And that's all I see. So there's people you were saying there. I was like, I don't think they come. Like, great story is we're playing in San Antonio and Timmy, Timmy is my guy. Timmy's like my, my white brother that I didn't know I had. So I'm talking to Timothee Chalamet and he's, he was like, Carl, you are so locked in all the time. I know you don't be seeing me. And I said, yeah. So Timmy, I didn't know you were in San Antonio. Timmy goes, Carl, I was one, one seat away from you in

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  Chrome heart jeans and you didn't even notice me. And I was looking at you and screaming and you were so zoned out. I said, Timmy, I swear to God, I didn't even know you were at the game. Timmy was like, at the end of our bench, there's a seat right here. He's literally right next to me. In every photo, he's right next to me. I have no idea Timmy's there. And Timmy told me after the game, Jordan calls me, she was like, hey, did you and Timmy talk after the game? He was at the game. I said, what game? Like, what are you talking about? And we have a group chat and Timmy's like, yo, I was right next to you, bro. I promise you, I was right next to you. He shows me a whole Getty image. We're next to each other. And I'm like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. I didn't want you to be like, I'm just, he's like, bro, no, I know that. We see each other all the time. We're having

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  dinners and stuff. And he always brings up, he goes, I've never realized how locked in someone can be until I've been with you. And you're like, literally when you say you don't see anybody, you see nobody.

• 1:04:37Jay Shetty?

  That's awesome, man.

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  You see nobody. And, and the only person I've ever, I ever see on the court, on the sidelines is Jordan. Other than Jordan, I see nobody. And Jordan and I will look at me and I'll look at her and she'll be like, you're doing good. Yeah. And I was like, maybe I'm not doing great. She's like, you're doing great. I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm not doing that good right now, but I'm gonna pick it up right now. So she's always a sense of encouragement for me, or also saying that I'm doing exactly what I'm supposed to do, stay in this mindset.

• 1:05:06Jay Shetty?

  I love that visual you just painted of how you see nothing else apart from ten guys.

• 1:05:11Speaker 01

  I see nothing but the hoops, the light on the court, and ten people. And then the court feels like, so you know, it feels like a massive court to start the game. And then as the game go, it gets, it gets shorter and shorter. And then all of a sudden, I feel like, you know, it's not that much of runs that we're doing as the game goes along. As you get more accustomed, you know, we say we get comfortable into the game. You ease into the game.

• 1:05:35Jay Shetty?

  We love seeing you in Nick's jersey, but I know the Dominican jersey means a lot to you.

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  Yes, it does, it does.

• 1:05:40Jay Shetty?

  How much would it feel to put on that jersey and take it to the Olympics?

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  I would love it. That's one of my, that's one of my dreams, man. I just was able to accomplish my dream here in America. I won an NBA championship, but to be able to take the Dominican team to the Olympics would be one of my greatest honors.

• 1:05:56Jay Shetty?

  It'd be amazing to see you do that, man.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  Like I said, it's on God's timing, but I feel our time is coming. I feel that the island deserves to see themselves on that Olympic floor.

• 1:06:05Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. I wanted to ask you also about someone that you knew well. People loved him for his music. You knew him as a person, Mac Miller.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  Mac Miller, yeah, my brother. Yes, I love him.

• 1:06:13Jay Shetty?

  Was there anything, he said to you, anything, a lesson, a message, a conversation you had with him that stayed with you because you noticed so much about these people and carried them in your heart?

• 1:06:22Speaker 01

  He was really my favorite artist of all time.

• 1:06:24Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  Of all time. And before I even knew him, he was my favorite artist. I bought the merch. I went to Spencer's, I went to Hot Topic. I had pictures of my mom wearing his merch. You know, maybe it was something he said. If you're asked, there's a bunch of things. He just taught me how to just live life, be yourself. People always will appreciate that from you because he always, you see when he passed, everyone had good things to say about him. He was just so genuine in his approach to people. And I remember he would show me, you know, music he had been working on and unreleased songs. I still haven't seen the light of day. And he would show me, I'm like, man, this is great, man. This is so good. It could be taken as a way of thinking about life, but he was only looking at the music.

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  He has, he goes, man, everything sounds good loud, but when there's no noise, how does it sound?

• 1:07:12Jay Shetty?

  Ooh.

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  And I think in a way in life, the thing for me, it's like when you're in front of the cameras and there's a bunch of, you know, noise and cameras and reporters seeing you do these amazing things, like of course, everyone wants to say it's awesome. It looks great. But when the, there's no cameras there, when the noise is low, are you willing to still be that person? Are you willing to still do those things for people that people say you do, even when there's not reported and you get none of the shine or none of the marketing from it or anything? Like, are you really this person that they say or not? Maybe he was on to something. I'm just thinking about it now, sitting with you. I'm sitting down, thinking about you. It could be taken as a life lesson.

• 1:07:51Jay Shetty?

  I think that's a great life lesson. I think that's the most important one. I just got a message from someone that when I first started my career, they had a big radio show and they invited me on in London. And I was like, just starting out. And he just messaged me and I was, I was helping him out with something now. And he goes, dude, the reason why I love you is because you still remember how I helped you out back then. And I was like, yeah, man, how can I forget? Like, you know, for me, that was like one of the biggest moments of my career then.

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 1:08:16Jay Shetty?

  And so to me, that's what life is made of. It's like those memories and moments of where you built with people and they stayed with you when you had nothing and they'll be with you when you have everything and nothing again.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  For sure. When I was coming up, I remember being on the newspaper where I'm from. And Mr. Haley, and I'll forget, he texted me the other day and he was telling me about how it was awesome to see your journey when you were like, growing up, covering my dad and his high school, when he was playing and then covering my dad again as a coach and now got to cover me as a player and coming up under as his son. John was just talking about it and he was just saying like, after the thing, you know, he would never expect me to reach back out to him. And I was like, no, just text me and I appreciate you. And I just thank him for giving me those chances because at that time, like you said, it was the biggest moment of my career to be in your city's newspaper, to be in that newspaper in, in, in central Jersey.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  I was, I was like, man, I'm on top of the world, man. You know, so I, I never forget that.

• 1:09:18Jay Shetty?

  Cole, I could talk to you for hours. Honestly, like you're, you're, you're my type of human, man.

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  I appreciate you, man. That means a lot. That means a lot.

• 1:09:26Jay Shetty?

  The thoughtfulness, the reflection, the amount you've learned from every single person in your life is, it's really unbelievable. I can't wait for you to write a book one day and go into all of this. I'm being serious.

• 1:09:35Speaker 01

  I'm gonna need a few words from you there.

• 1:09:36Jay Shetty?

  I'm right there to help you. Honestly, I feel like you have so much to offer, so much to give. I'm so excited for all the young people that look up to you and admire you and can learn from you in all facets of life. But we end every episode of On Purpose with a final five. These questions have to be answered in one sentence maximum. And we ask it to every guest on the show.

• 1:09:54Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. So five questions in one sentence. Got it.

• 1:09:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Carl Anthony Towns, this is your final five. The first question is, what is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  Living the present because the future's not guaranteed.

• 1:10:03Jay Shetty?

  Second question, what is the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  You can't do this without me.

• 1:10:10Jay Shetty?

  That's a great one. Who said that? Can you tell us?

• 1:10:12Speaker 01

  A lot of people. Name one.

• 1:10:14Jay Shetty?

  That's a great answer. Question number three, what's something that you used to value that you don't value anymore?

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  I thought money would solve all problems and it would make me the happiest version of myself. I got the money, didn't save my mom, didn't save my family members. So what good was it? The money never brought the happiness. It was the fact that the money bought the vacation to bring the people. So if you think about it, the people was bringing the happiness, never the money. Realize it didn't mean that much. And it really never did. It's always been about people. Humans have always came from interaction. We've always found wealth in that. And somewhere in the line, we thought currency was going to change

• 1:11:02Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  the value of human interaction. And it's always going to be the number one thing you could do in your life is listening, talking, interacting.

• 1:11:10Jay Shetty?

  Question number four, this is about overthinking. Repeat after me and complete the sentence. I think I think too much about.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  I think I think too much about the things that I can't handle or I can't control.

• 1:11:24Jay Shetty?

  Fifth and final question, we ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  Treat people the way you want to be treated. Simple. If you do that simply, we should be just fine.

• 1:11:37Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:38Speaker 01

  I don't know where along the way, we started adding all these stipulations and stuff, but it was just a simple rule, simple law. Treat people how you would like to be treated. You'll all be in a better spot.

• 1:11:49Jay Shetty?

  Amazing. I have something I want to gift to you, actually. Is it that gift? Oh, it's here. You want to bring it in? Throw it, throw it. Well, yeah. We have a special gift from Gatorade.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  Hey!

• 1:12:00Jay Shetty?

  And I don't think you've seen this yet.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  No, I have not. Guava lemonade? That is my favorite, actually.

• 1:12:06Jay Shetty?

  You were telling me a guava earlier.

• 1:12:07Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:12:08Jay Shetty?

  Who is it that got you on a guava?

• 1:12:09Speaker 01

  Uh, Jada Pinkett Smith. Auntie, Auntie Smith. Auntie Jada.

• 1:12:12Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

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  Digger. See the trailer online. Only in theaters October 2nd. Rated R. Under 17.9 million without parent.

• 1:13:13Speaker 06

  Ugh, I hate Mondays.

• 1:13:15Speaker 04

  King's Hawaiian cinnamon swirl bite?

• 1:13:16Speaker 06

  Uh, Taylor Hanson? Sure, I'll try one. Mmm.

• 1:13:22Speaker 04

  Hey, let's get back to work, please.

• 1:13:24Speaker 06

  But Taylor Hanson's making my day way better with these new soft and swirly King's Hawaiian cinnamon bites.

• 1:13:28Speaker 04

  Taylor Hanson? Nice. Try one. Mmm.

• 1:13:35Speaker 07

  King's Hawaiian cinnamon bites. There's nothing like it.

• 1:13:43Jay Shetty?

  Carl Anthony Towns, champion.

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  Appreciate you, man. Thank you, man.