KRIS JENNER: The Untold Story of Family, Love, and Forgiveness

Today, Jay sits down with Kris Jenner for a raw and candid conversation about her roots, family, and the incredible lessons she’s learned. Kris was raised by her mother and grandmother, two driven and hardworking women who modeled independence, discipline, and purpose. She shares how those early lessons in responsibility and perseverance laid the foundation for the life she would later build, both as a businesswoman and as the matriarch of a global family brand. Throughout their conversation, Kris speaks about her devotion to family, her faith, and her unshakable sense of gratitude. She reflects on the importance of being present in a fast-paced world that often glorifies busyness and distraction. Jay and Kris explore what it means to slow down and truly feel present in each moment, to look beyond the screens, the schedules, and the noise, and to rediscover joy in the simple things. Kris opens up about motherhood and the unique bond she shares with each of her six children, how she worked intentionally to raise them with structure, compassion, and drive while fostering unity instead of competition. She talks about her daily prayers for guidance and peace, finding meaning even in moments of hardship, and choosing to lead with love, even when met with misunderstanding or pain. In this interview, you'll learn: How to Lead with Gratitude Every Day How to Raise Ambitious but Grounded Kids How to Slow Down and Be Fully Present How to Build a Family Rooted in Love, Not Competition How to Balance Success with Inner Peace How to Protect Your Peace in a Noisy World Life has a way of reminding us that true success isn’t measured by status or possessions, it’s found in the quiet moments of gratitude, in the love we give, and in the peace we choose to protect. Each challenge we face holds a lesson, each chapter an invitation to grow with grace and faith. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty Join over 750,000 people to receive my most transformative wisdom directly in your inbox every single week with my free newsletter. Subscribe here. Check out our Apple subscription to unlock bonus content of On Purpose! https://lnk.to/JayShettyPodcast What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 01:15 Welcome Kris Jenner 02:38 Growing Up with Strong Women 08:49 Doing Your Best in Every Role 11:24 Family Traditions and Christmas Joy 12:51 Lessons from Humble Beginnings 16:24 The Power of Slowing Down 20:42 The Trap of Instant Gratification 24:19 Embracing Life at 70 26:47 Raising Passionate, Independent Children 32:37 Timeless Parenting Lessons 35:10 Learn to Forgive Those Who Hurt You 40:25 Mental Health Has Become a Silent Pandemic 44:38 Are You a Disney Fan? 45:36 How Do You Forgive Someone Who Hurt You? 50:44 Finding Peace Through Prayer 53:01 Finding Growth in Every Challenge 54:28 The “Rule of 12” for Letting Go 58:48 Protecting Your Inner Peace 01:00:35 Respecting Time and Commitment 01:01:48 Showing Up Fully as a Parent 01:04:52 Starting Over After Motherhood 01:07:41 Making Sure No One’s Left Behind 01:08:16 What Motherhood Has Taught Me 01:13:42 Healing from Miscarriage and Loss 01:15:41 Compassion for Those Facing Infertility 01:17:43 Leading with Love and Kindness 01:19:26 Choosing Where to Invest Your Energy 01:20:27 Seeing Yourself Through Others’ Eyes 01:22:16 Kris on Final Five Episode Resources: Kris Jenner | TikTok Kris Jenner | Instagram Kris Jenner | Facebook Kris Jenner | X See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:09Speaker 01

  These are, in most cases, the fathers of my grandchildren. I love these men and that love doesn't go away when we experience really challenging times with them.

• 2:22Jay Shetty?

  Kris Jenner, welcome to On Purpose.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  I'm so excited to be here. My kids have come before me to get the lay of the land and, well, you know, we love you dearly. I'm such a huge fan. Love listening to the podcast, love listening to, anytime I get the opportunity to see you online, giving a motivational speech or, you know, different things that you do. It's so inspirational to me and I know how much my girls love you. So I had to come see for myself what was going on over here.

• 2:56Jay Shetty?

  Well, as I was saying, Kris, you and your family have been so gracious and kind to me from day one.

• 3:01Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 3:02Jay Shetty?

  I remember the early days of Chloe sharing something that I'd done in 2019 or Kendall starting to follow me and then connecting and then Kim has just been amazing over the last couple of years and finally getting to meet you. And I want to start with this because I remember when I came over for dinner. And everyone afterwards was like, what was it like going to Kris's house for dinner? And like, and I was like, and it was me, you and Kendall. And I said to everyone, I was like, I felt like I was at my friend's mom's house. I was like, all you wanted to do was make sure I'd eaten enough.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:34Jay Shetty?

  And make sure I was well fed and taken care of. And I was so touched by just that amazing energy that you have of making everyone feel at home, making everyone feel welcome. And whenever I see you, whether it's at a party or an event or one of our mutual friends' birthdays that we were just at, I always just feel so happy when we're talking. So thank you so much, truly. It means the world.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  Oh, well, thank you for having me. It really means the world to me and I really enjoyed that night because I got to know you a little bit more on a personal level and just heard about what you are all about, what your intentions are with people and how you want to help people and, and bring people together. In a world where everybody's torn apart, especially in the last decade or so, how crazy everything seems, I think for us to have that beacon of someone we can look up to, to say, now, hold on, you know, let's look at this a different way and try to find something peaceful in all of it. And so for that, I appreciate you so much.

• 4:34Jay Shetty?

  Thank you. Well, I want to get to know the Chris.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  Oh, boy.

• 4:37Jay Shetty?

  That, uh, that I believe we forget existed. Because today, we live in a world where we're so preoccupied with what everyone does today. We forget how they became and how they were created. I wanted to ask you, what's a childhood memory that you remember that you feel defines who you are today?

• 4:58Speaker 01

  Oh, my goodness, a childhood memory. Well, I think, you know, growing up, I just, I was really raised by my mom and my grandmother and two really strong businesswomen who worked and, and showed me that how powerful that can be. Just not just out there in the world to show others, but for yourself, like how to, how to be somebody that you were really proud of, but also provided for their families and then taught their children and grandchildren how to be strong, intelligent, caring, you know, loving moms,

• 5:43Speaker 01

  but also, you know, you know, working women who really were of a different generation. You know, when my mom was very young, when she was in her twenties, she had me when she was 20. My grandmother was 40. And, you know, I was just born. And so there's always been a 20-year age difference. And then, of course, 40 years with my grandmother. And they taught me that working and having a career was just part of our lifestyle and our family. And that meant so much to me because they were such an inspiration. And my mom also showed me what it was like to, you know, get dressed up every day.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  She loved fashion. She loved, this is how you want to present yourself to the world every day. Like, how do you want to look when you go to third grade? You know, or even junior high or high school. And it really was something, when I look back on it now, I'm so proud of those two women who raised me because they showed me what it's like to, you know, have a career and how to take care of a home and what it was like to be married, what it was like to have children. And I know when I was 16 years old, I really realized that's when I knew I wanted to have a lot of kids. And I actually had the number six in my head at that very early age. Wow, really?

• 7:11Speaker 01

  Uh huh. I used to think, I'm gonna have six kids. And then when I ended up getting divorced and I had four kids, I thought, boy, was I off a couple of kids. And then I ended up having two more. But growing up with, with the family I grew up with, I felt, I do feel so blessed to have had a very privileged, caring, loving home and childhood. And I think it's something that I'll always be grateful for. And I talked to my mom, who's 91, about it all the time. I think I always thank her for all the sacrifices and working late. And sometimes, you know, she wasn't necessarily, you know, at home when I got home from school with chocolate chip cookies fresh out of the oven and making me, you

• 7:55Speaker 01

  know, a roast beef dinner. But she was there working her ass off, you know, for, for me and my sister and for that. And then my grandmother, you know, lived across the street. So my grandmother was doing all the, the grandma things. And so it really gave me a good sense of family, unity, closeness, you know, it fed my spirituality because I went to church every Sunday and was, you know, had, you know, communion and all the things that you do as a young girl. Whose mom is taking them to church every Sunday and teaching you all the things.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  And it was a huge part of my life, that that childhood of just being not only I had so many friends and went to public school, which was down the street. My mom's priority when I was a child was always move next to the school because you can walk to school. So we were walking to school, not a care in the world. We had no seat belts in the cars, driving around in the back of my mom's. My mom had a convertible T-bird when I was a little girl and throw us in the back on a shelf and we'd be bouncing around. And by the way, I did the same thing with my kids, Courtney and Kimberly, when I had them and Chloe and then Robert, everyone in the back of the station wagon, no seat belts,

• 9:18Speaker 01

  just 15 kids in the back section shoved together like sardines, taking everybody everywhere. So, so many memories of things that were so different from I remember my first colored TV went and where I lived and what house I could like imagine what corner of the room it was in and how exciting that was. So, you know, I can also remember getting my first iPhone. You know, I mean, talk about bizarre, you know, the contrast of the two.

• 9:49Jay Shetty?

  Did you ever have one of those brick phones, one of the really big ones?

• 9:51Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. 1990, 1990, 91. And you'd make a call, you thought you were so cool cruising down the highway with a brick in your hand, you know, and there was no rules on you could talk to anybody, you could talk on the phone while you were driving, you could eat a burger while you were driving down the street. It's amazing, all the different changes culturally, you know, and just personally, just all the different chapters I've had in my life. It's like every single one is so clear, but if you take it like the first, you know, one through 10, 10 through 20, 20 through 30 and just keep going, it's like there's so many huge magical things that have happened in each chapter.

• 10:33Speaker 01

  And I think that's the way I look at it now at my age, you know, you have so much perspective and it it changes from decade to decade. So I I consider myself really lucky.

• 10:47Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, wow, it's incredible hearing about it because. I love that your mother and your grandmother were just such big influences and role models in your life.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  Huge.

• 10:56Jay Shetty?

  What work did they do? What were they doing at the time?

• 10:58Speaker 01

  My grandmother was an accountant and then later opened a candle store called The Candelabra in La Jolla, California. And my mom opened another candle store nearby on Gerard Street. And they were entrepreneurs and they got up every morning at five o'clock and they had a routine and they had structure. And they had their coffee and had breakfast and got dressed like to the nines, you know, like gorgeous. Went to work, worked all day, were so, you know, it's very satisfying to end the day with a full day's work under your belt. You feel like you've really accomplished something and I knew that feeling because I lived it my whole life.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  So it was kind of embedded in me that I too couldn't wait to have a career or start working. I mean, my first job was I worked in my grandmother's candle store and I was the gift wrapper. And I would be, I was 12 years old and I loved to go to work with my grandmother and my mom. And but I was at my grandmother's store and she'd put me in the back room and she taught me how to gift wrap and make bows. And I was the best gift wrapper I could possibly be. And I made the most beautiful bows in my mind on the planet. And she taught me that no matter what you do, you do the best job you can possibly do. If you, she was the one who, I had to brush my teeth for some reason, a lot when I was young.

• 12:27Speaker 01

  Every time I had anything to eat, brush your teeth, brush your teeth. But she had this rule that if you brushed your teeth at my grandmother's house, then you had to clean the sink with like Comet or Ajax or one of those crazy things. And I would scrub that sink like it was like my only, you know, polish, polish, polish. And she would sit there and say, you have the most beautiful hands and you have, she would just give me these, the most sweetest compliments about, and then said, you, you are really the best sink washer in the family. And I was like, wow, okay. You know, so it gave me confidence that if you really, you know, she taught it, taught me

• 13:09Speaker 01

  that no matter how big or small the job, just do the best you can and you'll be praised for it. And that just instilled something in me. Yeah. And then, of course, I tortured my own children. Wash the sink the best you, you know, they're like, oh, rolling their eyes. Were they as good as you? Of course not. No, I'm the best sink scrubber you'll ever see. Do you, do you still wrap Christmas presents, birthday presents? Every, all day. I wrap one this morning before I came here. No way. Yeah, I didn't do a bow because it was a different kind of a package, but I think my kids really, we have a big contest during the holidays and at Christmas, it's like, who's got the best wrapping paper? But we don't tell each other what gift wrap we're

• 13:51Speaker 01

  doing. We like it to be a surprise. Well, I do Christmas morning and all the kids' gifts are dropped off at my house and we all have a section like, you know, of there. And so we know, oh, these are all Kim's gifts because they're wrapped like, well, she stopped by my house last year because she wanted to check out how her gifts looked, to make sure they were positioned perfectly, right? I'm like, oh, Lord. So she comes by and little did I know, she whips out her phone and she starts doing, like, it was either a live or something on Instagram and she shows the entire world, all of our packages. So now all the sisters and everybody knew and. What you're, yeah. Yeah.

• 14:36Speaker 01

  So she gave it away? Yeah. And then? So these are just all the pranks I think we play on each other, you know, constantly all day long. So Kim was trying to expose you, that was. I think so. I think she was being, you know, she was being cute. She's always so great. I love it. I remember, I remember when we were speaking, when I came over, you were talking about you being an air hostess as your, one of your earliest. Yeah, I was a flight attendant. Flight attendant, yeah. I, I went from the candle store and I learned so much there. And then I worked at the donut shop by my house in University City in San Diego. And I would take, my job was to get there before school and before I had to get on the bus to go to high school or junior high school, I guess.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  And I would take a scraper and scrape the glaze off of the floor that the donuts, you know, when they were glazing the donuts, there'd be this glaze all over the floor. And I would scrape the glaze off of the floor and that was my job every morning before school. And I then worked at my mom's store again and then I applied to be a flight attendant for American Airlines. And that was an amazing job, but looking back on that, I learned so much from that job. So every single thing I did, I learned enormous organizational skills and people's skills

• 16:02Speaker 01

  and social intelligence and, you know, some other skills like how to pour a great cup of coffee and how to, you know, serve people and how to interact with people and personal service business is incredibly demanding, you know? And now I look at all of the people in that kind of a business a different way and have so much respect for that kind of a career. But I learned a lot along the way of how to deal with people and I think that working from a young age and continuing up to this day, I learned a thing or two about so many different things that you wouldn't think would apply to later in life. Tell me some of this.

• 16:44Speaker 01

  You know, well, just, I mean, organizational skills for one and how to keep calendars and how to be on time and how to be 15 minutes early and how to negotiate and how to get what you think you want or deserve from an employer. I know one of my things I talk about is if somebody says no, you're talking to the wrong person. And I learned that if I got a no from these three people in scheduling, for example, with American Airlines, then I would go to another person and, you know, try my best charm, you know, that I could possibly think of, you know, of what were all the reasons why I should fly this flight to get to LA, you know, to see who I wanted to see.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  And you just hone different life skills at the different things you do at a young age, especially in the workforce. And it's really amazing. You never quite know what or where life is going to lead you and where it's going to be the best lesson you ever learned.

• 17:47Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  And that's what, just to expect nothing but breathe in everything. Like, just like, I was so, I was like a sponge. And I think I just had to surrender to the process, if you know what I mean. It was just like I knew instinctively, I'm on a learning journey and I'm going to get the most out of these experiences that I possibly could at the time. And I knew that, I really did know that intelligently and in the moment. And I don't know why, but I just knew I had to pay attention.

• 18:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I think there's such an important lesson in what you're saying for everyone who's listening. I feel like we've done a disservice to a lot of young people today where we believe it's all about finding the perfect job or launching the perfect company.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 18:37Jay Shetty?

  And actually, from your experience, what you're saying is, I learned a lot from the candle store. I learned a lot from scraping glaze off the floors. I learned a lot from being a flight attendant. It's like each of these experiences, even though they weren't your perfect job or your ideal life, there were really valuable lessons that have made you the powerful leader.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  Incredible. It developed who I am and was at that time and then came to be all through each decade. And the more I, you know, went through life and was knocked down or brought up or had, you know, experiences and, and, and had these things that I went through, I think added to, but I also believe that everything happens for a reason. I'm very spiritual. I pray about everything before I do it. And I learned that, a lot about that from. Very young age and it just really has helped me through so many great times and so

• 19:36Speaker 01

  many, you know, challenging times. But I also think that I come from a place now in this decade of great gratitude. And I think that's what people don't always experience daily. I think it's been a learning experience for me. Of course, I'm grateful. Of course, I have gratitude for everything that I my life is this beautiful life with my beautiful family and I couldn't ask for more. But to really be conscious of being grateful has been something I've worked on for the last few years and try to be more present because we can be so easily distracted with and and everybody's going so fast. And I feel

• 20:18Speaker 01

  like everybody needs to slow down, you know, it's so fast. And I I see the younger generation. But I think the the younger one than the next one down from Kendall and Kylie. I don't remember even what they're called anymore. Yeah, Gen Z and Gen Alpha. Okay, Alpha. Yeah, Alpha. I guess it's Alpha. Kendall and Kylie are Gen Z, I think. Right, right. I think the Gen Alpha. It's like I wish you could just slow down and experience and be in the moment a little bit more because I always struggled with that. I always on to the next, something to look forward to that distractions are everywhere. And so then you don't feel what you're living through or going through. And

• 21:02Speaker 01

  we're so busy taking photos of it or videos of it. We don't sit and feel it or enjoy it. I remember I went to the Sphere the other night. What did you see? Wizard of Oz. Oh, wow. I want to see that. It's really good. And I was there with my girlfriend and I I now, mind you, I was 10 years old or nine years, eight, something when at the first time I saw the Wizard of Oz and or that I remembered it and enjoyed it. And I've seen it a hundred thousand times. So I didn't need to video anything. I knew what the movie was about. Like, what am I doing? And I caught myself and I went, why am I filming this whole thing? Like, I want to sit and experience it.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  And that's just a good example of how I think that a lot of us go through life is trying to capture the moment when we can just slow down and feel the moment. Yeah. You know, and that's what I, I want for me and my family. Because we do get very distracted. And it goes by so quickly in a heartbeat. And I think that's what, when you're my age, you want to scream that from the top of a mountain. You know, everybody slow down and enjoy every second because all of a sudden it's gone. And, and, you know, everybody has to figure it out for themselves. But that I wish, you know, because I've had all these different decades to compare it to

• 22:26Speaker 01

  and have a different perspective every so often, every few years. That's one of my notes to, note to self. Just try to enjoy it and not get distracted by the noise. Yeah. Because there's a lot of noise.

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• 26:09Jay Shetty?

  You were making me think about, there's a meditation practice that I love that I practice when I feel I'm disturbed by the noise.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 26:16Jay Shetty?

  And it's really simple, it's called five, four, three, two, one. And it's, let me look at the five things I can see. So you look around this memory and you look at the colors and the textures.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that.

• 26:27Jay Shetty?

  Shapes and the visuals, so Wizard of Oz. And then four things you can touch, so it could be your daughter's hand or your mother's hand, it could be the clothes you're wearing, the texture that you can feel, whether it's smooth or harsh. Then it's three things you can hear, two things you can smell, and one thing you can taste.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 26:46Jay Shetty?

  And anytime I've ever done this, and I was thinking about a particular moment, I went to Bhutan last year, and I was actually teaching this meditation, I can close my eyes today and be back in that place in Bhutan.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that.

• 26:58Jay Shetty?

  Because it was so real, because you took it in. And so, yeah, to really, to really let it sink in, it's such, you're absolutely right.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  Well, you know, I think somebody of my age has a different perspective, because I spent, you know, when I was 22 years old, I got married, and 23, had Courtney, and, you know, the rest is history. But I, there were no cell phones, there wasn't a computer, there wasn't a laptop, there wasn't an iPad, there wasn't music on a little box, there wasn't, if you wanted to talk to somebody on the phone, you had to walk into the kitchen and dial a plastic telephone. And if you wanted to know what was at the movies, you dialed a number, like whatever it was, and you found out what was playing at the movies.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  And if you wanted to know what time it was, you dialed, I think it was 5551212. And if that's right, I will be so excited about my memory. But it was, you know, a different time. And today, with so many...

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Things that just supply instant gratification. It's extremely seductive. And I think that it's, it's something like I think about it all the time. And I think what a different world, but yet such progress, such amazing. The, the world we live in is wild and amazing. I mean, when I was a young girl, a little girl, I used to watch the Jetsons.

• 28:35Jay Shetty?

  I remember the Jetsons.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  I remember that. And it was sort of intimating that by the year 2020, we would be flying in cars around, you know, the city. You know, we wouldn't even have cars that were on the road anymore. And so, you know, we're almost there.

• 28:49Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, almost, almost.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  But it, you know, we used to imagine this modern world and here we are. So it's very exciting. But you never know what's gonna happen next. I mean, I, I, I worry a little bit. I worry a lot about my grandchildren and social media. That scares me a bit because it can be so dark. And I really want them to have the best parts of anything. I mean, in life, there's good and bad. But in this case, you know, I worry about that. I just want them to, and I think their moms, you know, all my kids are really responsible about trying to control screen time and all of that. But it's different, it's a different place.

• 29:33Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 29:34Speaker 01

  But there's a lot of noise.

• 29:35Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely. You're approaching your 70th birthday.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:39Jay Shetty?

  Which is so exciting. And what an incredible milestone. What's this chapter of your life called? If you could name it, what would it be called?

• 29:47Speaker 01

  Oh, my goodness, the best, the best chapter. The best, I'm happy to be here and to really have this beautiful family and just enjoy the ride. Because like I said, just to be present at this time and place. I did learn a lot from my family, from my grandmother and my mom, who both worked until they were in their 80s. And I saw.

• 30:16Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:17Jay Shetty?

  That's incredible.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  And my mom often says, she retired when she was 82, and she often says that really kept her. So purposeful and we all want to find that life of purpose. But for her, it gave her great purpose and it gave her great joy. And she was so satisfied with the work she did every day and got to, you know, I think when somebody has structure and has a schedule and has something to look forward to and has something like that in their life and feels needed and wanted.

• 30:55Jay Shetty?

  Useful.

• 30:56Speaker 01

  And useful. And that's a very good feeling. And I think that's, that's the road I'm going to go down. I just want to, you know.

• 31:03Jay Shetty?

  You're not retiring anytime soon. This is.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  Never.

• 31:05Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  Never. No. I love what I do. And I often say, this wouldn't be as easy without my entire family and doing what we do together. Because, you know, there's a lot of people out there that have, you know, a job in entertainment or in the media, whatever it is, and they have a big career and they do it by themselves and they're the only one in their family who has that kind of a career, that kind of a job. And I thought, how lonely it would be if there was just one of us.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  It would be so hard. And so I feel super blessed that I have this incredibly fabulous family and all this love and support. And it's, it makes it really a very sweet life.

• 32:00Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. What a, what a, what a special, special.

• 32:02Speaker 01

  Very special.

• 32:03Jay Shetty?

  Achievement to have that. How have you, you know, one thing I've noticed, spending time with all of you and having, as I said earlier, Kim, Chloe and Kendall have all sat in this chair preparing it for you. There's, there's such a love between everyone in the family. And of course, there's the fun of the, what's the right word? The fun of the teasing each other and the banter. But at the core of it, it's so evident that there's love and it's real and it's, and it's, and it's genuine. How do you create a family in which? Competition isn't a negative thing. And growth is everyone's focus because I think what we see across the world is, you know, you have six children, but it's like people may have two and then you have one person

• 32:47Jay Shetty?

  who really ambitious and driven and one person who just wants to hide away. Whereas you've got a family of people who are all ambitious in different ways.

• 32:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 32:54Jay Shetty?

  They all have their own fascinations, their own passions and they're pursuing it to the best of their ability, which is such a beautiful thing to see. How, how do you create that energy? What, what does that require?

• 33:04Speaker 01

  I think, first of all, when they were very young, I think they learned so much from the examples set by their dad or just myself in different areas, their stepdad, their family, their friends. And we've always had a huge group of family friends and I think they watch and had great examples set before them. But I think that one of my biggest and strongest desires in my path to the success that they've had is just really helping them along the way, identify what was really important to them and they were passionate about.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  And we threw a lot of spaghetti at the wall, believe me, it was, it was crazy. But when they finally found their, their destiny, their passion, their, the opportunities that came their way that they wanted to embrace and were so happy about, you just feel when something's right. And that, that makes me really happy. Every time I felt like somebody found their, their, their thing, you know, their, their passion was, was that strong that they were able to really make this something they wanted to focus on and the determination, the energy they put into it, their work ethic is second to none.

• 34:30Speaker 01

  And they would get up with this. You know, passion every day, you know, getting up at five and, you know, getting into the gym and taking care of their, their health and their well-being. And then at the same time, having kids, raising children, getting to work. You know, it's just, they all have such focus and determination, but they also have great structure, they're organized, and then they learn how to find their peace at the same time, which I think is really important. And I think that's something that Courtney's really good at that, and she's taught the rest of us, you know, like, wait a second, you know, there's, you've gotta, you know,

• 35:12Speaker 01

  find the peace in all of it too, and protect your soul.

• 35:17Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  You know, so that's been really, really important. I think it's just working together, encouraging one another. And when someone is successful, we're all so excited for that person's success, no matter how it comes. And it could be the smallest little, you know, not everything moves a needle, and it can be the smallest little win, and we get really happy for each other. Like, last night, when I was blonde, all of my kids this morning were screaming, "Mom", and then Kim goes, "Did you dye your hair?", and I said, "Yes!". Of course, I didn't dye my hair, but I had her going for a while.

• 35:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, we were trying to figure out this morning whether we were gonna get blonde hair or black hair.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's fun to work together, it's fun to, you know, go through challenges together. It's awful to go through really bad times together, but we're together, so it's important. And it's, you know, when we get to celebrate each other over the smallest things or the biggest things, I think the kids are just happy for each other. And there really isn't any jealousy, which makes me really proud. You know, and they're very vocal and loud when something bugs them or when something needs to be said.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  Don't you worry, they're they're my loudest voice at times in my head. But we all, I think we're just all happy for one another. And we know we're doing this together and somebody's success in my family is sort of a halo effect. I feel like it is good for everyone. And, you know, especially business wise, but it's just really good for all of us personally. Because we get to see each other grow and thrive and evolve and and elevate different things like we'll get notes to each other. Okay, well, this was great, but if you only did this, it would be so much better. So everybody, you know, is a backseat driver.

• 37:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  Or what do you call it, sideline quarterback? Everybody's weighing in on everybody else's stuff. So it's fun. It makes it a we're our own little, you know, we have, I have 13 grandchildren. Imagine that's a lot of humans. And we have an amazing little, you know, bubble that we live in and that we are so dedicated to one another and very loyal and looking for that peace that we can surround ourselves with when we can with family time.

• 37:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I just wanted to acknowledge how how hard it is to do that.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  It's it's It's hard.

• 37:59Jay Shetty?

  It's so hard to be able to create a non competitive, non envious, non jealous family space system. I think

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Hard.

• 38:07Jay Shetty?

  It's it's not easy.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:08Jay Shetty?

  Whether it's happened naturally because of all these great values or whether it's happened through hardship. It's probably the most significant achievement that one could ever have is

• 38:18Speaker 01

  It's lovely. It really is lovely and I I'm so proud of them for being there. And if somebody gets into trouble or somebody, you know, needs help with anything, everyone is right there to jump in and make it okay. And It's, it's interesting that, you know, they're very, very loyal and very protective. And they surround each other with a lot of love. And the fact that they're also amazing parents is the biggest gift. I watch them as, my son has a daughter and everyone except for Kendall has a, you know, has a son or a daughter or both. And they're amazing parents.

• 39:03Speaker 01

  And I often sit and tell them, I'll sit and watch Kylie or Chloe, all of them, Kim, Rob, Courtney, but I watch them with their kids and I just take it all in. And I say, God, I wish I would have been this good as a parent.

• 39:22Jay Shetty?

  With you.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  With you. Because I feel like they take it to another level. I've never seen anything so amazing, literally in my life. I talk to my mom about it all the time. I go, can you believe the way they do this and that and the other? And my mom and I are in awe of what great parents they are. And I think they are, you know, people ask me all the time, how do we keep our kids as close or how do I? And I think it's just the time you spend and what you focus on and the way that you, you know, spend time with your kids and, and show them that you're never going to,

• 40:05Speaker 01

  you know, I didn't have kids to, on their 18th birthday, kick them out of the house. My girlfriend used to say, you're too nice, you know, you're not their friend, you're their mother. And I looked at her and I said, oh no, I'm their friend. Because they're going to be 18 one day and I'm not going to be left out of this big, beautiful life that, you know, that I want to have with them.

• 40:26Jay Shetty?

  How do you love someone that you don't agree with? How do you love someone that you have had something with that didn't work out? And by the way, I'm saying this because I've had private conversations with you where you've talked to me about these things and I'm blown away by it.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:39Jay Shetty?

  So I'm like, how do you love someone even when something hasn't worked out the way you want it to?

• 40:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:45Jay Shetty?

  Because I know it's deep for you, that's what I'm asking.

• 40:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think you start with communication. And I think that's where you have to start to really feel and understand.

• 41:03Speaker 03

  I'm gonna cry.

• 41:06Speaker 03

  Sorry. I don't know why I'm emotional about this, but I think you just have to understand where somebody's coming from. Sorry, Jay. Um.

• 41:20Speaker 03

  Okay. Is there a tissue, you guys? Yeah. Okay. I think... I don't know why that hit so hard, but I think communication, I think compassion is key into really feeling what somebody might be going through, even though you don't agree with them. If you once loved them, then love is love, you know? And I always fall in love with people, and then if they disappoint you, it... Sorry, I don't know why I'm crying. See what I said, it's right there, under the surface. Sometimes you just get me. But I think communication is... I preach communication. And I think if you...

• 42:05Speaker 03

  If somebody's misunderstood, I get on a soapbox sometimes to try to say, "No, no, no, you just don't understand, you know? This didn't happen like this, and they really didn't mean it like this." Or, you know, I'm always the one who tries and communicates that. But I think, God, what's wrong with me? But I also think that compassion, if you don't have an open heart and you're stuck with trying to understand someone, you... You will be lost forever until you can try and see and forgive.

• 42:49Speaker 03

  And I think if people can't...

• 42:53Speaker 01

  Come from a place of forgiveness, then they'll be stuck forever. You know, you have to be open to understanding what someone else is truly all about. And why I stand up for people who are the underdog at times. It makes me really sad that they're the underdog. And I feel like some people get really misunderstood. And I think that we all need to stand up for each other, especially when we need it the most. And that comes from a conversation. It comes from a communication. It comes from compassion and it comes from forgiveness. And if you can't learn to forgive someone, whether it's their behavior, their words, their actions,

• 43:36Speaker 01

  you know, I'm a, I think my kids tell me all the time of, I'm a very forgiving person. They go, Mom, you're, it's wild. You're just like, this person treated you this way or that way. Or you experienced this with this person. And I try to see where it came from. What is the root of this? Why are they acting this way? And then again, if I can't change it, I can't control it. I can't control somebody else or their actions. Right? You can't control other people. So, you know, you have to either ignore it, fight for it, help explain it, help communicate it and forgive it. I don't know.

• 44:21Speaker 01

  I, I don't know how else. That's how I live my life. And if somebody, you know,

• 44:31Speaker 01

  a lot of people are struggling and there's a lot of,

• 44:39Speaker 01

  you know,

• 44:41Speaker 01

  it's, it's.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  Sorry, just need a second.

• 44:48Jay Shetty?

  I'm sorry.

• 44:49Speaker 01

  Um, okay. So, there are a lot of people out there

• 44:57Speaker 01

  who struggle with their mental health. And we don't know, sometimes, what the difference is. Because we're not inside their brain or their body. So, who are we to say, you know, that somebody's not really struggling, sick, you know, having a hard time? And there's so much of that. And not really immediate answers and help for everybody. You know, when you can't figure it out, sometimes, you think, how does everybody deal with this? You know, so that's, I don't know. I have a lot of compassion for people that are in a family where there's mental health issues. It makes me really sad.

• 45:42Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's something, definitely trying to support and help. And I'm glad you raised it here, because it's

• 45:47Speaker 01

  Oh, it makes me, I mean, I, sometimes I, you know, hear about people, or, you know, hear about what somebody's going through. And I literally don't even know them, and I'm in tears. And it just breaks my heart because of the situation right now that we're in. And I think we make it worse for one another. You know, the criticism, the negativity online, and the struggle that a lot of people have, and the amount of suicide for young people.

• 46:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  I mean, it's truly heartbreaking. And I hear stories, and it just really is so upsetting. And that it, you know, I, I struggle with that in my heart, because I just wish there was more that we all could do, just to love each other, and be there for each other. And maybe there was a way that We could help in a bigger way. You know, it's very confusing.

• 46:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, we just, I literally just had the head of suicide from Harvard on the show.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  Really?

• 46:58Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I just interviewed him maybe a month ago.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 47:00Jay Shetty?

  Show and it was so illuminating to hear just how much help people with mental health or suicidal thoughts are even seeking. But even in that, just, yeah, just how hard, like how hard it is and how heavy it is. And I think.

• 47:15Speaker 01

  Heavy. It's so, it's heavy in my heart and I don't have an immediate, you know, child or family member that's struggling with that at the moment. And I, I think about it for some reason, a great deal as if, you know, maybe there's some way to, there's a lot of things, a lot of issues that I, right now, I'm in the process of focusing on and getting more information on. One of them is dementia and Alzheimer's, and that's why I love Dr. Amen so much because he's such an educator.

• 47:51Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely.

• 47:52Speaker 01

  But the mental health thing is very confusing to me because it's so, I don't feel like at my, in the chapter I'm in in my life right now, that I've ever experienced this volume of people that are hurting and struggling. And yeah, is it probably because our communication is enhanced with being able to see it all on the internet and, you know, all of that? But it's still a lot and it does get very heavy. And it, heavy in my heart, it does.

• 48:31Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, definitely offline about that to see.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:35Jay Shetty?

  You know, it's definitely, I feel the same way. It was why I invited Matthew Nock from Harvard on to the show.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  Glad you did that.

• 48:40Jay Shetty?

  Because, because I couldn't agree with you more. I was just hearing so many stories and learning of so many people. And he told me that his friend committed suicide, even when he knew his friend was the head of.

• 48:53Speaker 01

  No.

• 48:53Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, was studying that, like so, and, and he said, I just didn't know, like, we just didn't know, no one knew.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  No one knows.

• 49:00Jay Shetty?

  No one knows.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  And so that's what the, the tragic part of it is. And there's been so many times when, I mean, even. You know, parents of my, you know, kids' friends or, you know, there's always one degree of separation. And it's, you know, every single person has something like that. That they know about it, they've heard about it, a close friend happened or right in their own family. And it's devastating. I know people that have lost people close to them and there's just no closure there for a lot of people. But how they get to that place is really a struggle.

• 49:42Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 49:43Speaker 01

  Boy, can we talk about something happy? How did we get here? I'm crying, I'm hysterical, I'm a mess. Let's talk about Disneyland or something.

• 49:54Jay Shetty?

  Are you a Disney fan?

• 49:55Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, yes.

• 49:56Jay Shetty?

  You know, it's the happiest place on earth in my head.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  Oh, it is.

• 49:58Jay Shetty?

  Like, I've fully drank the Kool-Aid.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  It definitely is. I went last week with Courtney.

• 50:01Jay Shetty?

  No.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, Small World, Pirates of the Caribbean and the Haunted Mansion. Because they just opened it for...

• 50:07Jay Shetty?

  Oh, did they?

• 50:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I go to Disney, I work for Disney. I want to be Snow White. Yeah, all of it.

• 50:16Jay Shetty?

  I love it, yeah. I'm excited to go to the Epic Universe in Universal.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  Oh, yes.

• 50:22Jay Shetty?

  They just opened, they opened it with the Harry, the new Harry Potter world and all the rest of it.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  Wait, is that Disney? That's not Disney?

• 50:27Jay Shetty?

  No, it's Universal, it's Universal, this is not, it's theme park world.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  Oh, that's your, that's your thing, okay. Have you been to the Star Wars ride at Disneyland?

• 50:35Jay Shetty?

  I have, it's so good.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  Oh, that's insane.

• 50:37Jay Shetty?

  And Disney World, too.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  Insane.

• 50:38Jay Shetty?

  It's amazing, so.

• 50:39Speaker 01

  Oh, there you go. See, we have something else in common.

• 50:41Jay Shetty?

  We do, we do. Just, I, I'm, I'm completely, I've completely drank the Kool-Aid on Disney.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, me too.

• 50:48Jay Shetty?

  It's the happiest place.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  Every day, happiest place on earth. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

• 51:01Jay Shetty?

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• 52:50Jay Shetty?

  Chris, when we've spoken offline, I've always been blown away by how you've... When you keep talking about family, I think people think, "Oh yeah, there's six kids."

• 52:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 53:00Jay Shetty?

  But to you, the family is even your kids' exes, right?

• 53:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 53:04Jay Shetty?

  Partners.

• 53:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 53:06Jay Shetty?

  People, like it grows, even if one of your children has been through something really difficult with their partner or an ex-partner, you still love them as part of the unit and the family.

• 53:16Speaker 01

  I do.

• 53:16Jay Shetty?

  And that is incredible. Talk to me about how you expand that radius of care and love.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  First of all, I believe in my heart and in my soul, love is love. And I fall in love with people and have lives and years spent with their partners or their boyfriends or their husbands, and have all these memories and travels and Christmas mornings and celebrations and birthdays and all the fun, the laughter, the joy, the tears, the babies. These are, in most cases, the fathers of my grandchildren.

• 53:56Speaker 01

  And I love these men. And that love doesn't go away when we experience really challenging times with them. It just doesn't turn off like that for me. And I think that goes back to communication, compassion, forgiveness, and moving through that so you can get to a place where they know they can always come to me. Every one of my kids' exes know that they have an open door. And I think that's how I was with my kids when they were little and I got a divorce. And I got married to Bruce.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  And when that happened, Robert knew that he could come walking in that back. It took a couple of years, but it was what I had learned from people that were in my life in previous years. I saw the co-parenting skills that other couples, two people, two couples in particular, but these two couples handled their experience of how they loved their kids. It was all about the kids. Because if you sit and berate your partner over and over and over again to the kids, or your ex-partner, your ex-boyfriend, your ex-husband, you're, you know, it's their dad, or it's their stepdad, or that, you can't do that.

• 55:20Speaker 01

  It really creates so much damage psychologically, emotionally, physically, spiritually, all of it. It, it, the children don't know how to process that kind of, it's a grief. It's a separation. So my goal with my children was always their dad comes for Christmas morning, and we spend New Year's Eve together and birthdays and celebrations. Robert Kardashian came to Kendall and Kylie's first birthdays, and he was there for every celebration. And they called him Uncle Robert. And he walked through that back door whenever he wanted, knowing there would be dinner on the table at six o'clock, and he was always welcome. And it's the same way I now treat.

• 56:04Speaker 01

  All of my kids' exes, which a lot of people don't understand because if they treated them badly. But we've all dealt with those issues internally and privately. And we don't need to talk about these things anymore. It's been done. It's dealt with. We've done it. We've talked about it. We all know what happened. You know, we've had it on the show or whatever's happened in our lives. Now it's time to grow the fuck up, be mature. And I love who I've loved and I don't like what they've done. No, I don't. But it doesn't make the love get any less overnight. And I'm there for them always.

• 56:50Speaker 01

  And these are the fathers of my grandchildren. What would my grandkids think, you know, 20 years from now? If their grandmother treated their dad poorly? Or I wasn't loving and kind and compassionate and forgiving? So I teach my kids forgiveness. It's one of the biggest lessons that I can teach them. To forgive somebody who's treated you badly. And, and move on. You may not completely forget, but you need to forgive. You need to let it go. It's not good for your soul. It's too much pressure on your heart, you know? And I do love them and I do love who they are and I love their families.

• 57:34Speaker 01

  It's like with Travis Scott, I'm close to Travis. And I love his mom and his dad and his sister and his brother. And I, they're family to us. And we share celebrations together. And same with Tristan, who comes walking in the back door and has, you know, "Hey, Mom, what's up?" You know? I'm like, okay. So they're always around and we embrace them.

• 57:59Jay Shetty?

  You said that before you start something, you pray.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  I do.

• 58:02Jay Shetty?

  I'm wondering, what is, what is that prayer?

• 58:05Speaker 01

  It's, "Dear God, please, you know, surround me with your angels if I'm doing something that's dangerous or when I go to bed at night and just help me to..." See that what you want me to see and be the the person that I need to be today and just help me through these difficult times, or I come to God in my prayers with lots of gratitude and thankfulness for the life that I have, or just the ability to help somebody else, because I think giving back is so important. And my girls and I talk a lot about that. And just that we've been given so much. And to whom much is given, you know,

• 58:50Speaker 01

  much is required. And that to me is something that I was taught very young. And I just pray about safety. I pray about peace, not only in my heart, but in the world. I pray about my family constantly and their safety and the grandkids and, you know, all the things. And I really, it's important to me to calm myself before something important and really think about it and be thoughtful about it and be prayerful about it and then be grateful for it.

• 59:27Jay Shetty?

  It's beautiful. Thank you for sharing that with us.

• 59:29Speaker 01

  That's my routine every day. But I, I wake up with a prayer. Thank you for waking me up. Thank you for giving me another beautiful day. Show me how you want me to spend my time today and help me through these 75,000 meetings and Zooms I have to do. And then thank you for protecting me tonight when I go to sleep and bringing me some peace. And so I can recharge and be there for somebody else. Because if you don't get yourself ready for and get that energy going for the next day, you're gonna, your tank is gonna be empty. And I can't really run on an empty tank.

• 1:00:13Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, well said, well said. Is there a truth that you feel or a lesson? Is there a lesson, Chris, that you feel life has had to teach you the hard way?

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  I think that the challenges are growth. I think when I go through something that's really hard, I have to remember to be grateful for it. And I have to remember that it's part of the process and it's what got me here. Because, by the way, if you just started your adult life at 18 and just got everything you wanted, I think that it would be a very different life. It would be full, it would be harder at the end of the day. But I love the things that I, I wouldn't change anything that I've been through because it's taught me so much, so many things in my life, decades worth of things.

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  You know, that you think back and I think, what were the hardest, the hardest times? You know, and those are the times that really, I think for me personally, I experienced the most growth as a person. And believe me, I've made so many mistakes and I've, you know, I'm not always right. And I, I have to apologize to somebody, you know, all the time. If I'm, you know, I'm, I'm human and I'm definitely not perfect and I'm flawed. But I just try to learn something a little bit different and be a little bit better every day.

• 1:01:42Jay Shetty?

  What's, what's a lesson that you feel you're really realizing right now in your 70 years? That's kind of at the forefront of your mind, a principle or a lesson that?

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  There's probably a couple. I'm trying to be more patient. I'm trying not to lose my temper over things that don't matter and that I can't control. Because I know that I have a purpose. I know that I have this beautiful life and this beautiful family. So just relax when you can't control something.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  Who cares? It's not gonna change anything. Me getting upset isn't going to change a thing. I can renegotiate. I can talk to somebody calmly. I can try to deal with things that the challenges that come up day to day. And if I can't control it, I've gotta let it go. I've got to say to myself, okay, you know, it's funny. Do you know Dr. Amen? Yeah, of course. Yeah, he's been on the show four or five times. Oh, I love him so much. So I talk to him from time to time. And he said, what's on your mind today? And I says, you know what's on my mind is I keep thinking I I'm a complainer. And I've my daughter Chloe has really brought this to my mind, top of mind and said, Mom,

• 1:02:58Speaker 01

  you've got to stop complaining about nothing. Like you have the most beautiful life. And I go, I know, you're right. I'm a control freak. So when you're a control freak, like my idea of a great Saturday afternoon is rearranging my drawers. It gives me peace. It helps my brain. It helps me to get org. I'm a very organized girl. So to reorganize everything, just to, I don't know, blow off some steam, helps me to relax. It's my form of zen. So when I can't control something, it I get annoyed, like the littlest things, like why did that person do like, that doesn't even make any sense. So common sense isn't very common, as we all know, right? So I always say that.

• 1:03:42Speaker 01

  And so Dr. Amen said, I'm gonna give you the rule of 12. He goes, you have to wait until something goes wrong for the 12th time and then you can let loose. And I said, oh, I love that. That's so good. So of course, somebody forgets a bag. So we have to wait, you know, whatever, half hour for somebody to go back, drive somewhere, da, da, da. Then somebody forgot a passport. Then, you know, it went like that for a while, right? And one by one, okay, number one, and I just smiled, you know, tried to breathe. Number two, okay, I'm gonna distract myself. I'll get on Instagram or something, right? Then number three, you know, and I kept trying to distract myself from being cranky.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  Got to number 12, and I thought, okay, next one, I I'm gonna, you know, shit's gonna hit the fan. And of course, number 13 came and I just went, okay.

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  And it really helped to put me in my place a little bit like nothing's this serious. Like, why are you complaining? What do you have to complain about?

• 1:04:47Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  And then just trying to find your peace, inner peace, where you feel like we've all had days, I know everybody's had the day, that they wake up and they realize today's such a great day. Like, everything's going right. My family's healthy. I have money in the bank. I can pay the rent. I, you know, I, this relationship is going really well and I have lots of friends and everything's just coming up roses. And that's the feeling that I love to have and recognize when it comes along.

• 1:05:26Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:26Speaker 01

  So that feeling of gratitude and gratification and just thankfulness, like, thank you, God, for all of these wonderful things. But it's not just about oodles and oodles of blessings. It's about a feeling.

• 1:05:39Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean?

• 1:05:40Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  It's about really recognizing how special that is. And sometimes it doesn't come along every single day.

• 1:05:49Jay Shetty?

  No.

• 1:05:49Speaker 01

  So you have to appreciate it.

• 1:05:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you've got to look for it. You've got to find that feeling.

• 1:05:53Speaker 01

  You do.

• 1:05:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you've got to find that feeling.

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  You have to find that feeling and then really kind of just, you know, let it sink in.

• 1:06:01Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. You're reminding me, there's a tool that I love. It's called the perspective scale.

• 1:06:06Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 1:06:06Jay Shetty?

  So if you looked at your life from zero to 10, zero is the way you feel when you wake up and everything's amazing. And 10 is you wake up and the worst thing possible could happen. Are you all the opposite?

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:06:19Jay Shetty?

  Now, if you looked at today's problem of someone forgetting their bag to the airport,

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:24Jay Shetty?

  it's like a two on that list.

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:26Jay Shetty?

  Because compared to the worst day ever, it's nothing. But

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:06:29Jay Shetty?

  when you don't have that perspective, everything's a 10.

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:06:32Jay Shetty?

  Everything feels like a 10, like the meeting that fell through, the person who didn't show up, the text you got that you didn't want to. It's like, everything's a nine or a 10. And when you look at it in perspective, you go, oh, actually, that's just a one.

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  That's a one.

• 1:06:44Jay Shetty?

  It's a two.

• 1:06:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:45Jay Shetty?

  It's a, you know, whatever it is. And it just lets you, what you're saying.

• 1:06:48Speaker 01

  Relax, you can't control it.

• 1:06:50Jay Shetty?

  It's okay.

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  What are we gonna do? Just get ourself all twirled up?

• 1:06:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  No, I can't do that anymore. I'm too, I wanna protect my peace and it's part of what I talked to Dr. Amen about is protecting my peace and just showing more kindness and more generosity and more just being the kind of person like my grandmother used to say, you better treat others the way you want others to, you know, and so of course, and also she always said, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. And that's what I wanna plaster across my Instagram page. It's such a different world.

• 1:07:28Jay Shetty?

  It's a great rule, though.

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:07:30Jay Shetty?

  It's a great rule.

• 1:07:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, they still hold true all of these decades later.

• 1:07:34Jay Shetty?

  All these cliches.

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  They all do.

• 1:07:36Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:36Speaker 01

  They all do.

• 1:07:37Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely.

• 1:07:37Speaker 01

  I know, I have a lot of them and, no, I mean, you know, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. I mean, all those silly ones and my kids make fun of me all the time, but.

• 1:07:47Jay Shetty?

  Cause you say to them.

• 1:07:48Speaker 01

  I'm old fashioned.

• 1:07:48Jay Shetty?

  Well, they've worked, though. I was about to say, just so, just so everyone knows how organized Chris is. She came here thirty five minutes early today, like thirty five minutes early. No one does that. And Kendall, Kim and Chloe, never been late to the podcast, never been late to an event, a dinner, like, it's just, everyone operates so professionally. There's so much respect for everyone else's time and energy. Yeah, and it's, and it comes from that place. It's not just a checkbox. It's like whenever I've spent time with anyone, whether it's with Kim and Chloe in India or, you know, whatever it may be, everyone's always on time and the energy's right and everyone's excited and there's.

• 1:08:23Speaker 01

  Excited to be there.

• 1:08:24Jay Shetty?

  Excited to be there, yeah.

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  And to be, I love the girls because they love to build other people up and they have this great group of friends and to look at these humans that, you know, I, you know, just, just so very proud of the women and the man that they become because they make me so happy and they have, you know, very happy lives because they have each other.

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  I mean, not everybody can have six kids, but it's a lot of people to raise, but it certainly it makes for a really, you know, amazing family.

• 1:09:01Jay Shetty?

  How did you make sure you got to know them all individually and intimately? In a way that you could guide them towards their passions and help them find it because that's such an individual process.

• 1:09:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:09:13Jay Shetty?

  It's such a personal thing, it's.

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  I think with the first four, I was lucky enough to not be working through the pregnancies or raising them when they were small. And I took that time. And then later, when I was, you know, I really came into this growth and, and, you know, television success when I was 52. When we started our show.

• 1:09:46Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  Isn't that crazy?

• 1:09:48Jay Shetty?

  Realize that.

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  I know. And people, by the way, thought that we just sort of appeared out of nowhere. And I had a life for a couple decades, several decades, that I was very immersed in Hollywood and knew everybody and had this beautiful life with Robert and then Bruce at the time. And, you know, just had this glorious, you know, life together with my kids and really experienced so much with them from when they were babies. And they were always doing things and in sports and we went to everything. And, you know, it was just a typical childhood for them that they were involved in everything.

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  And we were right there, you know, as, you know, having a front row seat to their childhood. And that makes a big difference, you know, when you're just all in a thousand percent. I had some friends who.

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  Didn't experience what I experienced and the difference in the outcome in how their kids were raised versus, you know, there are differences. It's like, and it's not just about somebody who throws themselves into, you know, one of their kids. It's definitely how a child's makeup is, you know, you know, they're individuals. But what was so fascinating for me was how different every, every single child was. Like I had my first baby and you don't know what to expect with number two. One is like, one, two is like 20 for me. That's how it was for me. And it was very overwhelming to have two. And I thought, oh,

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  what's one more, you know? And then it just kept going. But I think what you don't expect and what people would say to me at the time, people that were my age, but didn't have any kids or one kid. And they would say, wow, how are they so different? And they were just obviously had their own, you know, amazing personalities and all the things that come with that and just learned each one little by little.

• 1:11:53Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:53Speaker 01

  And just were part of each other's, you know, obviously DNA, but it truly like they're just the biggest part of my heart.

• 1:12:04Jay Shetty?

  But it's, it's so interesting to hear that, that having that time with each of them and having that quality time in those early days. And I assume you'd built up the skills by the time you had Kendall and Kylie.

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  I had a break.

• 1:12:17Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:18Speaker 01

  I had like an eight year break in there. And so when I had Kendall, not only had the world change and the, you know, I mean, there was a time, I mean, I had a good, solid decade when I had like three high chairs lined up and, you know, strollers and two car seats. And, and then I went through a stage of having a little bit of a break with being pregnant and then started all over again. And everything changed. There were telephones, there were computers. It was huge, a huge change in how everything worked. And 1995 came along and Kendall was born. And then I really had another chance at

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  Sort of continuing my family with Kendall and Kylie and thought, oh, now we need another one because you don't want Kendall to grow up kind of so far apart in the gap. So we had another one and Chloe was like my angel because Chloe really helped me. She was 10 maybe or 11 and she really helped me with Kendall and Kylie because now at this point I've got a full-time job and I've got to figure out how to keep the lights on, truly. And I thought, oh, this is like, so from morning till night, working and trying to make it, you know, a career was very interesting.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  And that little Chloe was like a little mama's helper with everything, with feeding and bath time and, you know, helped me babysit on the weekends. I was in the house, I was in my office, but you know, if I said, you guys play out here, I'll be right, you know, but with such a great set of hands and such a, she gave everything to those girls.

• 1:14:08Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 1:14:08Speaker 01

  And really helped me with that. So that I'll always be grateful for.

• 1:14:11Jay Shetty?

  That was just natural for her, like that was just-

• 1:14:13Speaker 01

  It was natural. That was her.

• 1:14:14Jay Shetty?

  A natural maternal energy that she had.

• 1:14:16Speaker 01

  I could have called Chloe at 10 years old and said, we're having folks for dinner tonight. Can you just throw on a little something for dinner and set the table for eight, 10 people? She would have nailed it. I mean, she was something else. She still is. She's just remarkable, that kid.

• 1:14:34Jay Shetty?

  Beautiful.

• 1:14:35Speaker 01

  But yeah, so, you know, if I hadn't had the older ones to really help me with the younger ones, it would have been a lot more difficult. But that's what great, big families are so, that's why they're so special.

• 1:14:47Jay Shetty?

  I feel like you're promoting big families, Chris. That's the, that's the energy.

• 1:14:50Speaker 01

  Come on, everybody. Get out there and have some kids.

• 1:14:52Jay Shetty?

  Have some kids.

• 1:14:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what we need.

• 1:14:55Jay Shetty?

  It seems so thoughtful, though. Like, you were like, all right, I don't want Kendall to be the last one who's left alone, and so we'll have another one. Like, there's so much thought. It's intentional.

• 1:15:03Speaker 01

  It was. Very intentional.

• 1:15:05Jay Shetty?

  It's very intentional.

• 1:15:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. I didn't want somebody to be left without their... Like, it was Courtney and Kimberly, and then it was Chloe and Rob, who were still connected at the hip. They're both, all of them. And then it's Kendall and Kylie.

• 1:15:19Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  So they all had their little... I had different litters, but they had different pals.

• 1:15:25Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  You know? It was, it's really... And I just, I felt really good about that.

• 1:15:29Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. I love that.

• 1:15:38Jay Shetty?

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• 1:17:52Jay Shetty?

  Let's go through the kids and go, one thing that each of them have taught you.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  Okay. Courtney taught me probably

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  how to be a mom. She was my first born and she was, you know, she gave me a run for my money because she was very calicky. And that was interesting and very challenging for, you know, those long nights and all of that. So that was like, oh, okay, this is what it's like. Okay. And you would do anything to make her life and have her feel better. And, you know, this little tiny thing that was, you know, really had an upset tummy for nine months at least. And then I wanted to do it again. Kim taught me multitasking.

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  And Khloe taught me, um, probably, oh, I mean, they all taught me love. But Khloe united everybody and taught me a lot about how grateful I was for humor because she was so funny. And then, um, Rob, the same. Rob was just a joy, but he was the boy. You know, Robert Kardashian, senior.

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  Came from a big Armenian family and they were praying for a boy from day one. So, you know, it was always, you know, I hope it's the boy, I hope it's the boy. And it's gonna be Robert Junior, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, okay, it's a girl, you know, another girl, another girl. And, um, and so when Robert was born, it was like all the Armenians were rejoicing. They were my mother and father-in-law were so happy and all their friends. And I remember she ran to the hospital with this beautiful brooch, diamond brooch that she gave me. And I was, you know, it was, it's so joyful and it was like New Year's Eve, you know?

• 1:20:00Speaker 01

  And it was a celebration. So that was really special and it taught me a lot about their culture and how to celebrate on another level. And all of the experiences that, because suddenly when Robert was born, the Armenian side of my in-laws really kicked in over at my house. You know, it's like, we're gonna make, you know, these Armenian meals and I'm gonna show, and we're trying to teach the kids to speak a little Armenian, which, you know, didn't go that far. They're not fluent or anything, but it was a lot of fun to learn about that. And finally to have the boy that they had been hoping for, for all that time. And then, um, so that was joyful.

• 1:20:43Speaker 01

  He taught me a lot about, um, what that meant and what, you know, having probably what they considered, you know, more of the head of the family. Because I had a son and what that was like, that was just such a beautiful experience to have a boy. And then Kendall, I think, taught me a lot about. Patience and serenity because I had two miscarriages before I had Kendall. And that taught me a lot because you think you're invincible. I'm just gonna pop out another baby and then you don't. And it becomes a little bit of a struggle.

• 1:21:22Speaker 01

  But when she came, you know, it was just so amazing to. And it made me realize how appreciation. I think a lot of that lesson too, was how much I appreciated. And then sat in awe of all the other times I had done it. And thought, wow, this is not just so easy for everybody. And by that time, when Kylie came along, I also appreciation and just joy. And I got gestational diabetes very badly and I gained about a hundred pounds. And that was hard and it taught me a lot about patience.

• 1:22:03Speaker 01

  And it taught me a lot about being healthy and healthy choices. And the world was changing and a lot of my friends at the time, we were all in our 40s. I had Kendall when I was 40 and I had Kylie when I was 41. And that, when you do that in your life, after having four other children, that's a very,

• 1:22:27Speaker 01

  you know, it's a, it's a decision you're making. It's very intentional.

• 1:22:32Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:32Speaker 01

  And you don't just accidentally pop up and get, at least for me, get pregnant for no reason. And so it was very intentional to add to my family. And Kylie taught me a lot about being grateful and having gratitude for all of my children. Because now that I'm in my 40s, a lot of my friends were also in their 40s. And everybody was struggling with infertility that hadn't had a baby yet. And here I was on my, you know, fifth and sixth and, you know. And some people were really struggling and I thought, wow, so grateful that this had been, this, this was my journey. So I felt like very. Grateful for that.

• 1:23:16Jay Shetty?

  That's beautiful. So sorry for your loss. I mean, those two miscarriages.

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:20Jay Shetty?

  I mean, I've had a lot of my friends in the last 12 to 24 months have experienced miscarriages. And I feel like people are starting to talk about it a bit more now.

• 1:23:29Speaker 01

  It you grieve.

• 1:23:30Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:30Speaker 01

  It's a terrible thing that you do because it's so silent almost. You know, it happens and people go, we're so sorry. And I carried that for months, months and months, you know, you still think about it from time to time. But don't dwell on it at all, just grateful that I am. And I got to have my journey and my experience and my kids are thriving health wise at the moment. So, you know, you just have to be there and support and love on the friends that you that go through that. And that that was a lot of my friends were experiencing around that time.

• 1:24:11Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:12Speaker 01

  And that was real, that was a a big moment for me during those years. Not it wasn't a moment, it was several years of just just trying to be there and being supportive and being a friend and trying to go to doctor's appointments and, you know, doing different versions of IVF and all these different medical, but by the way, we're just becoming something that worked in those years. Like it was very still very new and 30 years ago, almost 30 years ago.

• 1:24:49Speaker 01

  And I just always would hold my breath when one of my friends would get pregnant again, you know, that had experienced loss in such a difficult way and praying. And then every time one of my girlfriends would have a baby after a long journey, I would go to the hospital and we would celebrate and it was just, yeah. Was I remember doing that quite a few times. Yeah. So anyway.

• 1:25:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, no, thank you for sharing that. It's I think it's gonna be useful for a lot of people to hear that because it's, I don't I don't think it's ever gonna get easier when people go through something.

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:25:24Jay Shetty?

  It's it's always gonna hurt and. Knowing that others are going through it is probably the only thing that helps.

• 1:25:31Speaker 01

  It's devastating to people that have tried for so long to have a baby and it just doesn't happen for them. And that used to break my heart. Because I always experienced the joy and the joyful part of it. I never really had the side that ended very sadly. I had, I mean, I had a couple of experiences that was, you know, traumatizing to say the least at the time. But I went on with a happy ending. And some people don't get that happy ending. And that always used to break my heart. You know, to have anybody struggle with that. But now, my goodness, there's so many amazing,

• 1:26:11Speaker 01

  you know, ways to overcome, just due to all the new technology, all the things they're doing now. And the way people are using surrogates.

• 1:26:24Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 1:26:24Speaker 01

  That's such a wonderful gift to be able to give someone. I used to think, when I was really young and not thinking it through, after I had a couple of kids, I said, I would, I was watching something on TV once about a surrogate. And by the way, we're talking 1980s. And I used to think, I would do this for somebody if somebody like it would, I would do this. And then, you know, then a few minutes later, you're like, Chris, snap out of it. But no, I, I used to think that, truly. I used to think that would be a great thing to do. So I really do admire women who give their life to somebody for a couple of years,

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  basically, of helping them carry a baby. I just shout out to anybody who's ever been a surrogate. What a beautiful, sacred gift.

• 1:27:15Jay Shetty?

  Hmm. And now from your position of having this wisdom and being in this place in your life, what's a piece of advice or wisdom that you're sharing with each of the kids? What's the different lens or direction that you're giving each of them right now?

• 1:27:30Speaker 01

  I think be kind. Treat each other with love and kindness and everyone that you encounter. And you never know what somebody's been through or what they're going through at the moment or that day. And If people are, you know, cruel and nasty, we talk about that a lot lately, just about the, you know, the way people can get worked up online and some of the negative energy there and just really trying to not listen to the noise, don't read that kind of stuff and try to be more joyful and just to be there for one another because all

• 1:28:13Speaker 01

  we have is each other. That's all we've got. It goes by so fast and it's, it's especially when you have kids, you realize how fast time goes by. And Kylie shared in our group chat, our family group chat, a picture of Stormy yesterday and I haven't seen her in a week. And I was shook. I was like, this is just going by so fast. She's, you know, she grew a foot. What's happened here? So I think just to appreciate the moment, drown out the noise as much as you can and love each other as hard as you can because you only have this one life and it goes by really fast.

• 1:28:58Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you've, you keep talking about this interview, this drowning out the noise and there being so many disturbances.

• 1:29:04Speaker 01

  You have to, because there's so much going on. I have so much incoming constantly in my life. You know, there's always something to look, answer to, look at a contract, have a Zoom, do a beautiful podcast. There's always so much to choose from and so many beautiful things we can do. But there's also a lot of, it's work, but it's stuff we need to do or it's conflict or it's something you need to deal with personally. There's always something, you know, going on during the day. And I think you have to edit.

• 1:29:40Speaker 01

  Edit your life and really focus on what you want to put your energy into, put your heart and your soul into, put your love into. And then edit what you can get rid of to find some joy and some peace in all of it. And through all of that, be grateful.

• 1:30:02Jay Shetty?

  What I love learning about you more and more, the more time we spend together is that I feel like you're this incredible powerhouse, amazing business person, incredible strategy. But at the heart of it, there's this really soft, loving, soulful, you know, individual. Is that how you see yourself? When you feel most seen for people who know you the deepest and the best?

• 1:30:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:25Jay Shetty?

  How do they see you? What do they see?

• 1:30:27Speaker 01

  I think the way you described, anyone who knows me knows I'm just a big baby and I'm a big softie and I cry at commercials. I will literally have it right into the surface at all times. But then I go to work and I'm like, okay, listen. No, I'm really not. But I'm, you know, I love what I do and I know that through experience and time and, you know, just all the things we've been through, you know, I try my best every day and try to get through the day with as much integrity and the best character I can, you

• 1:31:05Speaker 01

  know, put out there and be myself and do what I think is right and teach my kids to be good human beings and my grandkids and just have so much fun and enjoy every minute. And yeah.

• 1:31:22Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you did it right, Chris.

• 1:31:24Speaker 01

  I don't know. You know, listen, I make a lot of mistakes throughout my life and during the day and, you know, all of it, you know, just like everybody does.

• 1:31:33Jay Shetty?

  That's normal.

• 1:31:33Speaker 01

  But I think if we just go out there and put our best foot forward, like my mom used to say, my grandma used to say, and do our very best and be the best sink scrubber you can possibly be, you're going to be okay.

• 1:31:47Jay Shetty?

  Love that. Chris, we end every On Purpose interview, the final five.

• 1:31:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:31:52Jay Shetty?

  These questions have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum. So you have a sentence for each.

• 1:31:57Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm responding to your word.

• 1:31:59Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I'll ask you a question. You can have a sentence, you can have a sentence.

• 1:32:02Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:32:02Jay Shetty?

  So, Chris Jenner, these are your final five. The first question is, what is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:32:09Speaker 01

  Lead with your heart.

• 1:32:11Jay Shetty?

  Hmm. Second question, what is the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  Probably somebody telling me how to raise my kids. And then I do the exact opposite and I, I think I did okay.

• 1:32:26Jay Shetty?

  Because you disagree with it. Yeah.

• 1:32:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:28Jay Shetty?

  What was some of that bad advice? Like, what kind of things did people say?

• 1:32:31Speaker 01

  Just, you know, when you're going through life and people are telling you, you know, different ways to just, you know, approach a problem and how they would handle it.

• 1:32:41Speaker 01

  And I've always just done my own thing. Yeah, I think you have to really go with your intuition and your gut when you're raising kids. Or, you know, any, any real important decision that you make in your life, you have to follow what your, like your, your soul tells you to do. And I've been really, I think, intuitive, you know, about what I think is right and wrong.

• 1:33:09Jay Shetty?

  Question number three, what do you feel your soul is here to experience right now?

• 1:33:15Speaker 01

  I think

• 1:33:18Speaker 01

  I have a strong purpose in raising my family and raising great kids and created a legacy that I pass on to my grandchildren and their children. And just showing and learning from one another, my family. I think it's all about my family.

• 1:33:38Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:39Speaker 01

  I was born to be a mom and help them find their passion, their truth, their joy, their, their legacy. And so I, I have a lot of, I'm so proud of that that gets to be my purpose.

• 1:33:56Jay Shetty?

  That's so, it's so clearly what it feels like you were born to do.

• 1:34:01Speaker 01

  I feel like that.

• 1:34:02Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:02Speaker 01

  I feel so strongly.

• 1:34:04Jay Shetty?

  And it's amazing that you're thinking about not only your grandkids, but their kids and

• 1:34:07Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:34:08Jay Shetty?

  like you, you really do think about

• 1:34:10Speaker 01

  I do.

• 1:34:10Jay Shetty?

  multi-generational.

• 1:34:12Speaker 01

  I think I'm a very sentimental person. And I made an app for my family that we have all of our home movies from the time they were born and they're up on the screen. And I try to think of really interesting things to give them about their childhood and, you know, how, what they can do for their kids and, you know, it's just, It all comes back to the kids, the grandkids. And celebrating is, celebrating anything is so special in my family. And being able to celebrate Christmas and Thanksgiving and Halloween and Fourth of July and Valentine.

• 1:34:53Jay Shetty?

  Everything.

• 1:34:54Speaker 01

  Like everybody's birthday. It's every month, there's something really big that happens around our, our crew. And I think just having that joy and that to look forward to. If it's just being together and like you were saying, you're celebrating your special time with your wife.

• 1:35:13Jay Shetty?

  Coming up, yeah.

• 1:35:14Speaker 01

  And that's something that you're looking forward to and you can't wait.

• 1:35:17Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:17Speaker 01

  We feel like that all the time because there's so many of us.

• 1:35:20Jay Shetty?

  Totally.

• 1:35:21Speaker 01

  And so my purpose here is to be this, you know, conductor of all of those stuff. And to teach it to all of them. And then they'll teach it to their kids and their kids will teach it to their kids. And, you know, just the tradition, the sentimental times, the memories, the scores of photos that I used to put into albums before there was ever an iPhone. And, you know, that all means so much.

• 1:35:49Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Question number four, you are obviously there for all of them. What do you still go to your mother for, who is 91?

• 1:35:57Speaker 01

  Everything I talk to her every day on the phone.

• 1:35:59Jay Shetty?

  Really?

• 1:36:00Speaker 01

  We help each other with what we're gonna watch. She loves Dateline as much as I do. So we're like, what murder mystery are we gonna watch tonight? And then she'll say, okay, I was sad today, so we're gonna watch a comedy. And we'll say, okay, which one? And so we have great fun just, you know, doing that together, even though we're, she lives a mile from my house. I try to get her to move in with me, but she refused. She's so independent, which I admire and love, you know? And she lives part-time in La Jolla, down in, near San Diego. And she's got beautiful views, so she sends me photos every day of how much she appreciates the ocean and her surroundings. And, you know, we just have great fun together.

• 1:36:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:46Jay Shetty?

  She's 91 now, right?

• 1:36:47Speaker 01

  91.

• 1:36:48Jay Shetty?

  That's amazing.

• 1:36:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:50Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's beautiful what she passed down, your grandmother passed down.

• 1:36:53Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:36:54Jay Shetty?

  It's like, it's already been three. Did they have that as well? Or were they the ones to start it off?

• 1:37:00Speaker 01

  I think my grandmother started it.

• 1:37:02Jay Shetty?

  Right, she started it off, right, yeah.

• 1:37:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, lucky me.

• 1:37:05Jay Shetty?

  It's already been five generations.

• 1:37:06Speaker 01

  Lucky me.

• 1:37:08Jay Shetty?

  It's amazing. Fifth and final question, Chris, we ask this to every guest who's ever been on the show.

• 1:37:13Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:37:13Jay Shetty?

  The question is, if you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  Love one another.

• 1:37:23Speaker 01

  Simple.

• 1:37:23Jay Shetty?

  Simple. Why do we find it so hard?

• 1:37:26Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:37:29Speaker 01

  I don't know. But that's mine. That's my advice.

• 1:37:34Jay Shetty?

  I'm so grateful to you for your time, your energy. You know, sharing your soul, I'm waiting now. All I was thinking about this whole time while you were speaking, I was like, we need a Chris memoir. Like, we need a memoir. All of these incredible stories of you scrubbing that donut floor and.

• 1:37:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, the glaze off the floor.

• 1:37:54Jay Shetty?

  The floor.

• 1:37:55Speaker 01

  I am the best donut glaze scraper.

• 1:37:58Jay Shetty?

  Washing.

• 1:37:58Speaker 01

  In the US.

• 1:38:00Jay Shetty?

  We need, we need a memoir from, from the, from the matriarch, you know, we need, we need a memoir.

• 1:38:06Speaker 01

  You know, there's silly stories and something that, you know, most people won't, you know, think are significant, but they were growing up. And, you know, that's, everybody's life is so different. And that's, you know, part of mine, so I'm grateful for every moment.

• 1:38:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, well, you impact millions of people across the world. And so your story matters for people to know how you became who you became. And I'm grateful that we could share that chapter here and celebrate your upcoming 70th birthday and just.

• 1:38:36Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:38:37Jay Shetty?

  So grateful for you, your family and.

• 1:38:39Speaker 01

  We're grateful for you. And I'm proud of you for spreading all the messages you spread around the world and everybody listens to you and gets such strength and knowledge and comfort and hopefully.

• 1:38:55Speaker 01

  Turns their lives around in some way, and that's a very special position to be in. And, you know, that's your very special man. So, thank you for all that you give to everybody in the world, including me and my family. So, thank you. Thank you, Chris. You're the best.

• 1:39:10Jay Shetty?

  If you loved this episode, you'll enjoy my interview with Dr. Daniel Amen on how to change your life by changing your brain.

• 1:39:18Speaker 06

  If we want a healthy mind, it actually starts with a healthy brain. You know, I've had the blessing or the curse to scan over a thousand convicted felons and over a hundred murderers, and their brains are very damaged.

• 1:39:35Speaker 07

  Mr. President, my company told me of the explosion on our rig on October 2nd. Causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami. They all heap the blame on me. Tom Cruise is.

• 1:39:46Speaker 08

  Digger got us into this mess, and Digger's gonna dig us out. From the director of Birdman and The Revenant.

• 1:39:52Speaker 07

  What would happen if I stopped drilling? You stole, you freestayed, that's what.

• 1:39:56Speaker 08

  With great power comes great deniability.

• 1:39:59Speaker 07

  I'm not the first then.

• 1:40:00Speaker 08

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