Second Drink: Niagara, Pt 2

This week we finish breaking down “Niagara”. On their wedding day, Jim and Pam sneak off to get married on the Maid of the Mist while their guests wait in the church and Michael hits it off with Pam’s mom. The ladies go into greater detail about the lost storyline that involved a horse and Roy unsuccessfully trying to stop the wedding. Angela found a stunt photo to fool the paparazzi featuring Pam and Toby, Jenna breaks down the viral dance video that inspired “The Office” cast to dance at Jim and Pam’s wedding and the ladies point out a very special cameo of Randy Cordray! So enjoy this wonderful episode since Plan A was to listen to it a long, long time ago. Link to Jill and Kevin’s wedding dance website: http://jkweddingdance.com/ Office Ladies Website - Submit a fan question: https://officeladies.com/submitaquestion https://officeladies.com/submitaquestion Follow Us on Instagram: OfficeLadiesPod https://www.instagram.com/officeladiespod/ Follow Us on YouTube https://youtube.com/@officeladiespod?si=D0oKJwFJuK9txzFM Follow Us on TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@officeladiespod?_t=ZT-8y1gqTrJyOs&_r=1

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• 1:02Speaker 01

  Welcome back to our second drink of Niagara, part two. Jenna, you have some amazing location breakdowns in this episode. And there's even more great details from Randy Cordray about that deleted storyline of the horse going over the falls.

• 1:17Speaker 02

  I was very proud of my fast facts for this episode.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  You should be.

• 1:21Speaker 02

  But you know, there's one thing I didn't share because there was just so much to discuss. And that was the ratings for this episode. 9.42 million households in America tuned in to watch Niagara part two. It was the second highest viewed episode of the season. Can you guess what the highest was?

• 1:41Speaker 01

  I mean, I would probably guess delivery because they're having a baby.

• 1:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  Yes, but you know, that's pretty cool. Nine, over nine million people watched it on the day it aired.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  I know. That is really cool. Well, I have a fun fan letter to share. Remember when we first broke down the Niagara episodes? I had traded messages with Joya, who worked at NBC Digital about Jim and Pam's wedding website?

• 2:06Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:06Speaker 01

  Okay. Well, Jenna, you shared that NBC asked you to do like a fakey registry for a few things on the wedding website. We talked about it a little bit, but that brings me to this letter from Nyla in Maryland. Nyla says, hello from Maryland office ladies. I loved your breakdown of this episode. I have never written to you before, but I wanted to share that when you first talked about this episode, I was getting married and planning my wedding. I was so curious about Jim and Pam's wedding website that I went to the website you shared on Instagram. And I was so surprised to see what Jim and Pam put on their registry. They registered for two items that I also registered for.

• 2:49Speaker 01

  Okay. So now lady, Nyla did not list what she and Jim and Pam all, I guess, put on their registry. So I went back to the official website that NBC made. And I'm guessing the two things because here's what Jam registered for. One Alice Crystal pitcher, which they got. Oh, by the way, it tells you if they got it or not. One set of Oneida Chateau Flatware Set, 46 pieces. They also got that.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  One Porsche 911 Carrera. They did not get that.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  So Nyla, I'm guessing you also registered for a pitcher and flatware. Anyway, Nyla goes on to say, but ladies, did you see what Jim and Pam wrote on their registry page? I feel like it needs to be discussed. Why do they have such a big mortgage if it was Jim's parents' house? So again, Jenna, I was curious. When we first broke down this episode, I had shared Jim and Pam's guestbook entries on the website, but I didn't dive into their actual registry. I didn't go into any of that. So here's what Nyla's talking about. Jim and Pam had a message to their wedding guests on their website that said, quote, hello everyone, and thanks for thinking about us by checking out our registry.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  Jim and I already have most everything we need for our new house. And then in parentheses, it says, the one with the big mortgage that we bought at the height of the market. And then it goes on to say, we registered for some items listed on the link below. If everything's been gifted and you still want to get us something, we'd prefer you send a financial contribution instead of items that aren't on the registry. Winky face. Looking forward to seeing you at our wedding. And parentheses, the one that's way over budget. Two exclamation points, thanks.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  I'm speechless.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  I know.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  They didn't even get a good deal?

• 4:46Speaker 01

  They didn't get a good deal and Jim snagged it at the height of the market. And his parents really gouged him.

• 4:53Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  I know.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  And also it sounds like they're paying for their own wedding.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  Which is over budget. Anyway, I found that all really fascinating. Nyla, thanks for writing in and leading me to dig a little deeper there.

• 5:07Speaker 02

  Well, now I'm surprised that they even had $10,000 for Jim to put into Athlete in the first place. How'd he even get any money in savings at this point?

• 5:16Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 5:16Speaker 02

  I'm impressed.

• 5:17Speaker 01

  I love that you always bring it back to athlete.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  I mean, I'm still so sore that he put our money in that business without talking to me. I can't let it go. Oh, everyone, thank you so much for writing in. We love hearing from you. And now here is your second drink of Niagara part two.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  I'm Jenna Fischer.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  And I'm Angela Kinsey.

• 5:44Speaker 02

  We were on The Office together.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  And we're best friends.

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  And now we're doing the ultimate Office rewatch podcast just for you.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Each week we will break down an episode of The Office and give exclusive behind the scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you.

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• 6:01Speaker 02

  Angela, Angela.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  Jenna, Jenna.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Today is Jim and Pam's wedding day.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  And we are celebrating.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  Cheers. That's my drink. Can you hear it?

• 6:14Speaker 01

  I sure can. I'm taking a picture of you.

• 6:17Speaker 02

  Okay. Well, if you take a picture, we can post this on Office Ladies Pod because I'm drinking out of a very special champagne flute.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Tell them all about it. It is, Jenna, can I say it's crap-tastic?

• 6:29Speaker 02

  It is the kitschiest thing you've ever seen in your life. It is a champagne flute, but the stem is a series of four glass hearts.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  That are like hollow in the middle.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  Yes. And it's a very large champagne flute. I didn't have any champagne, so I'm actually drinking an Old Fashioned out of it. Is that weird?

• 6:54Speaker 01

  I think it's flipping perfect.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  Cheers to you. I wish we were in the same room today. Dang it.

• 7:00Speaker 02

  I know. You've got a glass of red wine though, so.

• 7:03Speaker 01

  I came to Airwolf today. I said, Sam, Jenna is pouring an Old Fashioned into her Niagara champagne flute. What do we got here? And he goes, I think there's some stuff over there. I found a bottle of red wine and a croissant.

• 7:17Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  So I'm feeling very fancy.

• 7:20Speaker 02

  You're very European, I think. Red wine and a croissant.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  I feel like I am.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  Well, let me tell you where I got this champagne flute. When we traveled to Niagara Falls to shoot this episode, the hotel put a basket in my hotel room with these two champagne flutes, champagne, chocolates, candies, nuts, like a whole welcome basket. And they were just so delighted that The Office had come to shoot there. And I was so charmed by that. I thought it was the sweetest gesture. And so I ate all the food. I actually shared it with the hair and makeup ladies. And I took the champagne glasses home and now here they are in all their glory. Yum.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  Jenna, I love this story so much. You are truly my BFF because I would have done the same thing. I would have been like, um, these glasses are going home with me.

• 8:15Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, lady. I wrapped these up in a t-shirt and I packed them in my suitcase.

• 8:19Speaker 01

  It's amazing. We have to post it in stories. You guys, Niagara part two. We're here to break it down for you.

• 8:25Speaker 02

  That's right. This is season six, episode five. It was written by Greg Daniels and Mindy Kaling and directed by Paul Feig. Let me give you a summary of what we'll be going over today. Last night, Andy slept on Pam's floor because he was recovering from his torn scrotum. Michael slept by the vending machines. Dwight hooked up with Pam's friend. And Kevin is about to lose his shoes.

• 8:55Speaker 02

  How's that for like a headline?

• 8:57Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 8:59Speaker 02

  The wedding, which is happening today, is becoming even more hectic than enjoyable for Pam and Jim, and ultimately, they're going to take matters into their own hands. Meanwhile, Michael makes an unlikely love connection, and the office gang surprised Jim and Pam with a celebratory dance.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  I love this episode so much. I know we both have said that, but this second part of Niagara is when all, all the like heartstrings are pulled. I mean, it's so beautiful and cringey. It's fantastic. We had Greg Daniels on for Niagara Part One. We talked about the whole entire episode, so if you guys haven't heard that interview, listen to it. Now, we're going to break down the second part. We have lots of fun stuff to share.

• 9:41Speaker 02

  This second part of Niagara also features the part where Jim and Pam sneak off and have a wedding ceremony on Maid of the Mist. That is my fast fact number one. We got a fan question from Ashlyn M. in Windsor, Canada. Did everyone get to go on location to Niagara Falls, or was it just Jenna and John? Did you stay on the American side, or did you get to go to the Canadian side as well? Well, like we said last week, Ashlyn, we shot the rehearsal dinner and the church wedding and the bulk of this episode in Los Angeles. The only people who went to Niagara Falls were me, John Krasinski, Mindy,

• 10:23Speaker 02

  Randy Cordray, who was our line producer, our cinematographer, Randall Einhorn, our director, Paul Feig, and then a handful of crew members. And we went to the American side of Niagara Falls. And we only had Angela one day to shoot. One day.

• 10:41Speaker 01

  One day to get all of that?

• 10:43Speaker 02

  Yes, and I'm going to tell you now a little bit about how it all went down, because Randy had to do an insane amount of preparation to get us there.

• 10:51Speaker 01

  He sure did, and he shared with us, you guys, we're going to break it down for you.

• 10:55Speaker 02

  You know, originally, the network said that they wanted John and I to shoot this on a green screen at like a fake water tank on like a fakie boat in Los Angeles.

• 11:08Speaker 01

  Boo, boo.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  Right?

• 11:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:11Speaker 02

  Randy was like, no, no. So.

• 11:15Speaker 01

  Good for Randy.

• 11:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. So Randy set out to create a budget that the network would approve for me and John to actually go. Now Greg told Randy that he would like us to shoot on the Canadian side of the falls, because that's the side that has all the fun, kind of kitschy wax museums and the water park. And it had the look that Greg was going for.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  On the Canadian side?

• 11:42Speaker 02

  On the Canadian side.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 11:44Speaker 02

  But Randy found out that Canada has this very strict one-for-one staffing rule. And what that means is, for every person that he brought from our crew, he would have to hire a Canadian to do a job. So if we wanted to bring our regular makeup artist, we would have to hire someone locally, you know, for a different job. It didn't have to be another makeup artist, but just there had to be like a one-for-one representation on this crew.

• 12:13Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 12:14Speaker 02

  We did not have the budget for that.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  He also said that Canada has a 14-day embargo on all equipment. So any costumes, cameras, props, we would have to send it 14 days ahead of time. Well, we couldn't do that because we were using all that stuff in Los Angeles.

• 12:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 12:33Speaker 02

  So Randy got this approved. Great, we had the budget to shoot on the American side of the falls. But then there was a problem. The Maid of the Mist, it's in like dual waters. Also, the Maid of the Mist is owned by a Canadian company, so that was a whole thing that Randy had to work out.

• 12:54Speaker 01

  That's right, because he said they leave Canada and then cross over into American waters.

• 13:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  But then they go back to Canada.

• 13:02Speaker 02

  Right. But then they do have a boat that will start on the American side, or will pick up Americans and go back to the Canadian side. So you can ride it from the American side, but there's limited access to those rides. Most of the rides start on the Canadian side. It was a whole thing.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  This is so complicated for a boat ride.

• 13:23Speaker 02

  I mean, while I was in my hotel room with my fancy champagne glasses, I had no idea everything that had gone on to get me there to that gift basket. Wow.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  Randy shared with us that there were a lot of people that made this amazing moment happen for Jim and Pam. We promised him we would give them a shout out. He said, first, he was in touch with the film commissioner there, Tim Clark. Randy described him as a fountain of resources. Tim put Randy in touch with the location manager, Michelle Barone. Randy was also in touch with Tim Ruddy. He was the vice president of marketing for the Maid of the Mist Steamboat Company. Angela Birdy, the media director of Niagara State Park. She was a huge fan of the show, and Randy said she helped a lot. Randy even had to write a proposal to the New York governor's office, and there was a film liaison there named Pat Kaufman, who helped Randy get it all done.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  He said this was the nicest group of people, and they just really made it happen without them. This scene would not have happened.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  Wow. Well, listen, I have even more stories to tell about our adventures getting on this boat. I'll save them for the breakdown, but it was incredible. So let's move on to fast fact number two, which is a follow-up on that horse going over the falls deleted storyline that Greg told us about in his interview last week. Remember that?

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Not only do I remember, I'm so excited. I brought the table draft script to our recording session so I could read the scene.

• 15:01Speaker 02

  What?

• 15:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 15:03Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, this is perfect. I was just going to say, do you want to remind people what the story was? But you have it. You have it.

• 15:10Speaker 01

  I have it. I have what we read at the table read.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. This is an exclusive.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  Okay, here it goes. So in the table draft, Jim and Pam are saying their wedding vows. Jim is saying, in joy and in sorrow, in sickness and in health, as long as we both shall live. Suddenly, gasps, race through the audience. The minister looks up and stops. The camera whips over to see a man leading a horse into the space. On top of the horse is Roy, dressed in a suit. I have to point out, Roy didn't even ride the horse into the church.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  He had like a guy bring him in?

• 15:50Speaker 01

  He has a guy leading him, like he's, someone is holding the reins, walking him in. Roy yells, wait. Pam has a horrified expression. Everyone is staring shocked at Roy, who tries to keep the horse pointed at Pam, but the handler struggles to keep it pointed the right way. So like Roy has no command over this horse at all. The horse's tail whips by Stanley's face, who looks annoyed. Jim whispers to himself, holy [bleep].

• 16:22Speaker 02

  What?

• 16:24Speaker 02

  They had an F-bomb?

• 16:25Speaker 01

  They had an F-bomb. Roy says, Pammy, we lived together for nine years and did everything a man and wife do. Camera pans over to me, ma. Pam is horribly uncomfortable. Roy, you loved me once, and can you imagine ever seeing me again as your knight on a white horse or a brown horse? People change, and I have too. If you have any second thoughts, any at all, don't do this thing. Pam, I don't have any second thoughts, Roy. I love Jim, not you. I wish you had just called first.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  Long awkward pause. Then Roy says, then I will leave you with this thought. You're making a mistake. Jim, seriously, man? Roy, get me out of here. That's what he says to the handler of the horse. Jim, you could have learned to ride it, you know, that would have been a little less. And then Pam goes, Jim, Jim, Jim. The handler walks the horse away as Roy tries to keep his dignity. Oscar boos, boo. And then the minister says, okay, where were we? He starts them back into their vows, but the camera pans over to Dwight.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  Dwight is seated next to a wedding guest and says, that is a powerful-looking horse. Excuse me. He gets an idea. He gets up and follows Roy out.

• 17:53Speaker 02

  Wow. Wow.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then the other scenes are the ones Greg talked about where Dwight convinces Roy to let him return the horse. But then, because he's seen all of this like historical footage of animals that can go over the falls and survive, Dwight then tries to ride the horse over the falls, but then he bails. EMS like rescues Dwight, but the horse goes over, but the horse survives.

• 18:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. It was a crazy storyline, and Greg shared that they did end up cutting this. But one thing Greg said in his interview really piqued my curiosity. I mean, there were so many things, but he said that, you know, this storyline wasn't cut until the table read, which is about one week before we started shooting.

• 18:38Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  So we were very close to shooting, and this entire time Randy had been prepping this episode as if a horse was going to go over the falls. And Greg even said, like, they went to Universal Studios and they saw a demonstration of a water tank and how the horse might fall into the water tank. And I was like, what? So I reached out to Randy Cordray. Angela, I have to share with you how much prep he did on this horse scene that was cut. I find it fascinating.

• 19:12Speaker 01

  I still can't get over the fact that this horse story was a go until about seven days before we shot.

• 19:19Speaker 02

  I know. All right, here's the first thing that Randy said to me, and I'm going to quote him. He said, I had never been asked to create a scene of such complexity and magnitude. This was far beyond the scope of creating the Rainy Proposal Rest Stop, or throwing a fake cat into the ceiling, or adding a soccer ball careening off of Phyllis's head, or producing a Chloris Leachman Jack Black mini movie.

• 19:46Speaker 02

  I was fearful that our meager television budget was far too small to produce the needed quality to make this gag appear credible and above all funny. But he said, nonetheless, he moved forward as that was what he had to do. So he said, the first thing he had to do was find a church in Los Angeles that could fit a horse through its front doors.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  That's how we picked the church?

• 20:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, because Roy had to come in riding a horse. So not just big enough to fit a horse, but fit a man on a horse through the front doors.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  And I guess a man leading a horse.

• 20:28Speaker 02

  Imagine that scout. Imagine that. Are you just measuring church doors? And then the people are like, what are you measuring for?

• 20:38Speaker 01

  This makes the church choice make sense to me now because it was one level. There weren't like multiple steps you had to go up to get to the front door and they had two big doors.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, for the horse.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  For the horse.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  All right. Then he went to Stargate International. They were our go to effects company. He was gonna have to create the element of rushing water. He was gonna have to have Dwight on the horse riding into that rushing water. Dwight bailing off the horse and being rescued. And then like a series of the horse in various poses to simulate tumbling down the falls.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  And then Stargate would have to be able to composite all of these and put them behind Jim and Pam in the waterfall as they're getting married. Randy said the costs were astronomical.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, I think our ending had to have been cheaper.

• 21:40Speaker 02

  He said he reached out to Universal Studios back lot because they have a location there called Lower Falls Lake, which is basically that tank that Greg was talking about. It has an enormous green screen. It can be filled with warm water to a depth of about eight feet. But in order to make the water churn, like to simulate the rushing water of the Niagara River, their plan was to chain four jet skis to the side of the tank, which would then run and create like a whitewater effect. So like, listen to everything. He's like, I need four jet ski drivers. Then he had to contact the animal service company to talk about the horse.

• 22:24Speaker 02

  And get this, I did not know this. Randy learned that you need a special stunt horse because horses actually don't like to walk in water on their own because they don't like to walk or run anywhere where they can't see their hooves. And he said, when you see horses in a Western movie, like dashing across a river, those are specially trained horses. So they had to like, start that process immediately.

• 22:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 22:50Speaker 02

  So we've got our jet ski drivers. We're training the horse to go into water. But for the digital element of the horse tumbling, he said they were gonna have to put a horse into like, a green screen harness and then lift the horse on a construction crane against a green screen. And then have a camera crew like shoot like 360 degrees around the horse. So they could then make it look like it was tumbling. Like it would be a visual effect. They would never tumble the horse, but they do have to suspend the horse.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 23:27Speaker 02

  He said, this also required like many weeks of training and preparation to make sure that the horse was not stressed, that it was okay being lifted up.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  So this whole time.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  There was a horse actor.

• 23:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  Learning how to get comfortable in water and being suspended in a harness from a crane.

• 23:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, that horse was prepping.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Oh, bless its heart.

• 23:50Speaker 02

  Yes. Then Randy had to find a stunt double for Rain because obviously Rain did not want to ride a horse into a tank of rushing water and jump off of it. So they had to find a special stunt double for Rain. But he said, they still needed closeups of Rain's face, so they were gonna have to do that facial replacement effect.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 24:14Speaker 02

  Where they replaced the stunt man's face with Rain's face. All right. In the end, Randy estimated that this two-part episode with the church and the hotel and the Niagara and the cast and the extras and the animals and all the horse stuff, it was gonna be about a million dollars more than our usual budget.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  And NBC said, you can only have half that. And he was like, I can't do it all. Oh, on top of that, I forgot to tell you, Allison Jones told him David Denman is not available. He's shooting a movie in New Orleans. They will not let him leave. So they were also like trying to fight with this movie company to get David Denman out for a day so he could ride this horse into the church. Do you realize how happy Randy was when this gag got pulled?

• 25:06Speaker 01

  He must have like done a cartwheel down the hallway. Like, I can't even imagine.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  It did not matter, all of the time wasted prepping this. He was so relieved because he said that freed up the budget so that he could get John and I to Niagara to actually shoot on Maid of the Mist, which was what he wanted more than anything. And so he went back to NBC and he said, listen, if you had the budget for this horse business, you've got the budget to take these two and let them get married as they should on the boat with the real falls behind them.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  Oh, so this whole storyline gave him leverage, as it turns out.

• 25:46Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  To NBC.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  Completely. So I hope y'all liked that because I was just like, oh, my gosh. All this time, all I was doing was like trying on different wedding gowns and, you know, that was my prep.

• 26:01Speaker 01

  It just goes to show how hard our team at the office was always working every week. Unbelievable.

• 26:09Speaker 02

  All right, let's move on to fast fact number three, which I'm calling Wedding Buzz.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 26:16Speaker 02

  Lady, the Jim Pam wedding was such a crazy pop culture event. It was such a trip to be a part of it. Entertainment Weekly called and asked John and I to do a cover shoot. The cover of Entertainment Weekly.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  So fun. I remember those photos. They were so cute.

• 26:34Speaker 02

  Oh, they had us in wedding attire. We're like smashing cake on one another's faces. It was crazy. Like when I was growing up, there was the General Hospital, the soap opera.

• 26:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  Luke and Laura were finally gonna get married. And it was like on the news, Luke and Laura from General Hospital, they're getting together. That's what this was like. This was like Jim and Pam were everywhere.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  You guys really were. And Jenna, when we were researching this episode, guess what I found?

• 27:06Speaker 02

  What?

• 27:07Speaker 01

  I found on YouTube, video they filmed while you and John were doing your photos for Entertainment Weekly.

• 27:14Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh. Is there anything we can say that is that we're not supposed to say? Can we tease anything? Something?

• 27:20Speaker 03

  Jenna's pregnant in real life because she's helping.

• 27:24Speaker 03

  Oh, you mean about the show things I shouldn't tell? Oh, gosh.

• 27:27Speaker 02

  John.

• 27:28Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 27:29Speaker 02

  Gosh.

• 27:29Speaker 03

  They're not even showing yet.

• 27:30Speaker 02

  No, I am. I'm wearing a really tight corset for this photo shoot. Um, it's my big secret, which is that, um.

• 27:37Speaker 03

  You're that method of an actor.

• 27:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm that method of an actor. I'm also getting married and.

• 27:41Speaker 03

  But that was an internet dating situation.

• 27:44Speaker 02

  I did, I put out an ad.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  As soon as she found out that Pam was having a baby, she said, who wants this? Which I thought was a little crass.

• 27:51Speaker 02

  No, that was who wants this? That was my.

• 27:54Speaker 03

  Who wants this? And then you, it showed you holding a baby. And then a lot of dudes responded.

• 28:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'll say Kevin goes through quite an ordeal at our wedding. How about that?

• 28:05Speaker 03

  Yep. I'd say.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  And Andy as well.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  I'd say that Michael's dating life has expanded beyond our wildest dreams.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  That is very true.

• 28:14Speaker 03

  Very true.

• 28:15Speaker 02

  That's a good one.

• 28:16Speaker 03

  That's a good one. It's a good teasing. A tease.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  Very good tease.

• 28:20Speaker 03

  Ooh, teasing. I don't know what this is, but. Nice.

• 28:25Speaker 02

  Aw, listen to that banter.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  I know. I'm gonna put it in stories because it's so cute. You guys look so cute.

• 28:32Speaker 02

  Well, it's very funny to me because that is totally a representation of our personalities whenever we be interviewed, which is that John is just making wisecracks and I'm like midwesternly earnestly trying to answer the reporter's question because the reporter had said like, is there anything you can tell us about this episode? And I'm like, must answer question. And John's just like having fun. And it's so funny. That's always how we were in interviews.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  And also, both of you had in your brain that you actually can't say anything.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  Greg would have told you guys, do not say a word about any major storyline.

• 29:09Speaker 02

  I know. And so like, John was so quick witted, he could come up with a bunch of jokes on the spot. And I'm just like, in my brain being like, what can I say? Is there something I can say?

• 29:19Speaker 01

  Must compute. I also wanted to share that Joya Balfour, who worked at NBC Digital, once again came through for us here at Office Ladies, because she shared with me, Jenna, that NBC had built a whole wedding website for Jim and Pam. You probably remember that.

• 29:34Speaker 02

  Oh, I remember it because they created like a registry tab. And as a joke, they had like two household items that they said were fulfilled. And then they had like a fancy sports car.

• 29:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. So the original website was called HalbertBeasley.com. That is no longer active. But Joya did send me all the archived images that they had for the website. I'm going to post it all in our stories. There was even a guestbook entry. And Joya shared with us that the writers from the show, they are the ones that did all of the copy, all of the messaging on the website. But I wanted to read you a few of the website guestbook entries.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  Oh, I love it.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Congrats, you guys. Good to see Pam taking my sloppy seconds. Just kidding. Hey, hey. Guess who wrote that?

• 30:28Speaker 02

  I believe that's Meredith.

• 30:31Speaker 01

  That's right, Meredith Palmer. You're so lucky, Pam. Jim is going to be a very handsome groom. You're very, very lucky. Any guesses?

• 30:44Speaker 02

  Okay, I think that would either be Kelly or Phyllis.

• 30:49Speaker 01

  Phyllis. Okay, ready? I can't believe you're getting married before I am. I mean, I guess it makes sense. You are older. Congratulations.

• 30:59Speaker 02

  Kelly. That's Kelly.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  That's right. Congratulations. What color dress are you going to wear down the aisle?

• 31:07Speaker 02

  Okay, that's Angela.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  Okay. Some people think that buffets are cheap, but I actually prefer them over the small portions of a fancy sit down dinner.

• 31:20Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't know that one. Someone who's into food. But that feels like, um, is that like, uh, I don't know.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  That is Kevin.

• 31:31Speaker 02

  Oh, Kevin.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  Okay, one more, one more.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  That could have been Creed. I feel like that could have been Creed.

• 31:38Speaker 01

  Food related could have been Creed. It also could have been Oscar because he's kind of frugal, right?

• 31:43Speaker 02

  True, true.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  All right. Here's the last one. Pam, you are like a daughter to me. And Jim is like a son. I'm so proud that my son and daughter are to be wed. 'Tis the thing of beauty. Glory be.

• 31:57Speaker 02

  I think that's Michael Scott.

• 31:58Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  Aw.

• 32:00Speaker 01

  You did really good.

• 32:02Speaker 02

  I did. I know my wedding guests, I guess.

• 32:05Speaker 01

  You really do.

• 32:07Speaker 02

  Well, listen, lady, I think we should take a break and then we will really get into this part two of Niagara. I've got a lot of cool stuff, I think.

• 32:15Speaker 01

  Let's do it.

• 32:22Speaker 02

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• 32:34Speaker 01

  So chic.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  It was less than $50. And I needed something that was nicer for summery outfits.

• 32:43Speaker 01

  Well, guess what? I have decided this is my season of the cardigan.

• 32:47Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  So I got the 100% organic cotton cropped cardigan. I got it in the camel color. It is so stinking cute. And it was $49.90. Look at that.

• 33:00Speaker 02

  Oh, it's so cute.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  I know.

• 33:02Speaker 02

  I like the buttons.

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• 33:15Speaker 02

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• 33:30Speaker 02

  We are back and we open with Andy riding in pain in her hotel room because Pam's the only sober person who can take him to the hospital for his torn scrotum.

• 33:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. She tries to call Jim to help her, but he's clearly drunky Jim. Jenna, this was a much bigger storyline that would have really shown Jim's night and where he was at. In fact, there was a talking head where he explained their night of drinking. And I think you need to hear it.

• 34:03Speaker 02

  What?

• 34:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, in deleted scenes. Let's hear it.

• 34:07Speaker 03

  Much of us decided to go over the border to Canada for one quick drink. So I'm in a car with Michael and Dwight. And we get to the border. Dwight refuses to relinquish his sidearm. So 40 minutes later, here we are.

• 34:22Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 34:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. Greg said in the commentary, there were more scenes of the guys night out, that they even like get Oscar in and they're gonna go to a club. Like, it was a whole thing. But it ended up just being the scenes you see in the episode.

• 34:35Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. Well, Pam does end up driving Andy to the hospital. And Angela, I just want to point out Pam's glasses that she's wearing. I thought this was a great callback to the fact that she wears glasses at all. And remember, we had the episode where she wears her backup glasses to work.

• 34:54Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  But I think my question is, are these glasses better than her backup glasses?

• 35:01Speaker 01

  Because I thought she looked cute. Greg said in the commentary, this was like a big thing for Greg. He really, really wanted Pam, when she wasn't at work or somewhere out and about, that she wore glasses. And whenever you could see Pam with her glasses, Greg just loved it.

• 35:17Speaker 02

  It's so funny. I loved wearing them. Now I have to wear glasses all the time. But it was fun.

• 35:23Speaker 01

  I loved the scene between Andy and Pam. I thought it was hilarious when he was like, I was kind of doing your job. So and she goes, my job? My job is to get married in the morning. That's my job. Veda shared in the commentary that there were a lot of alternate takes where you guys didn't reference balls and scrotum so much.

• 35:43Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  But that you ultimately used most of the references. And then Randy and her talked about the fact that our show pushed the standards and practices limit almost weekly. So I counted, Jenna.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 35:57Speaker 01

  In this episode, we say scrotum five times, balls one time, and penis one time.

• 36:04Speaker 02

  That's not very many.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  I know. I was like, that's not that bad. It's not as bad as when Phyllis got flashed.

• 36:10Speaker 02

  No. Well, ultimately, Andy is gonna spend the night in Pam's room on her floor. And Michael is gonna spend the night in the vending machine area.

• 36:21Speaker 01

  Because Dwight has a lady. There's a sock on the doorknob.

• 36:25Speaker 02

  Location alert, if you can call it a location. That vending machine area was actually an unused office at the hotel. And Michael Gallenberg's team had to dress it to look like, like an ice machine vending machine nook. Here's my question. Where do you get an ice machine? Like a hotel ice machine? Like, who do you call? Where, what is that? How do you do that?

• 36:53Speaker 01

  I'll tell you what, if anyone knows where to get an industrial sized ice machine, it's our team at the office.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  Clearly. Oh, I want to say, I do believe that's filled with fakey ice.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  Oh, it was. They said that on the commentary. It's fakey ice.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, now we're coming up on one of my favorite scenes in this whole episode.

• 37:13Speaker 01

  Is it Kevin at the front desk?

• 37:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  Did you notice, and I know this was just Brian being Brian, how hard he hit that little ding bell? It scared the crap out of those ladies.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  Kevin is looking for his shoes. He left them outside his hotel room to be polished. But the hotel manager, the amazing Nicholas Schaefer, who plays the hotel manager.

• 37:39Speaker 01

  He's so good.

• 37:41Speaker 02

  informs Kevin that they were so smelly that they made the decision to incinerate them.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  It was a safety issue, Jenna. It was a safety issue. The only thing missing to me in this scene is Angela Martin in the background, smiling ear to ear, feeling so affirmed.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  She's been talking about Kevin's smelly feet for years.

• 38:03Speaker 02

  Oh, Angela is delighted. She is so happy.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  Somewhere she's so happy.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  Well, the idea that they were gonna have to burn Kevin's shoes because they were so smelly was our writer Charlie Grandy. And my friend, Michelle Gunn, who played the front desk clerk, she told me that she improvised the line, "We can offer you a complimentary breakfast." But get this, Angela, do you know how she got the idea to improvise that line?

• 38:32Speaker 01

  No.

• 38:33Speaker 02

  This is very similar to how you created Sprinkles. She was doodling on a Post-it note at the front desk as a bit of business. And she was writing "Comp breakfast to room" on the Post-it note. And she said on one of the takes, "Paul Feig just let the camera keep rolling for a really long time after the manager..."

• 38:58Speaker 01

  That's what they would do on our show.

• 39:00Speaker 02

  Yes. So after the manager told Kevin that they burned his shoes, there was just this very long pause. And so Michelle saw her sticky note and said, "We can offer you a complimentary breakfast." And then Brian improvised, "Okay." And she said, "It felt so good to be a guest actor on the show and get to contribute in such a fun way." She said, "Our show was really special like that" because she's been on other things. And she was like, you know, at this point, she had done several scenes and she had been working with Paul Feig now for a couple of days. And she was like, "I don't know. I feel like this would be okay."

• 39:40Speaker 01

  I just love that. That just goes to show again how our show was so welcoming and such a creative collaboration, and I love it. Well, the next scene is Dwight wrapping things up with Isabelle. She slept over in his room. Michael is waiting out in the hallway. This made me laugh so hard, Jenna. I got so tickled. As he walks up, Michael says, "It's about damn time. I haven't gone to the bathroom in a day and a half."

• 40:06Speaker 02

  I know. I thought the same thing. I was like, "You've been around a lot of restrooms. I mean, surely there's one off the lobby."

• 40:14Speaker 01

  I think it meant he hadn't gone gone. Do you know what I mean?

• 40:17Speaker 02

  Oh, he hasn't. Oh.

• 40:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. He hasn't gone number two.

• 40:22Speaker 02

  Right. He hasn't had a private space.

• 40:24Speaker 01

  He hasn't. And that just cracked me up. He's so grumpy about it. They then go to breakfast and Michael is so disgusted. Look at how Steve looks at Rain as Dwight. It is so funny. Dwight is just shoveling all this food in his mouth. They shared in the DVD commentary that Phil Shea had like 100 pancakes ready to go. Because you know how Rain was in those scenes as Dwight?

• 40:48Speaker 02

  He eats.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  He was gonna destroy it. Yeah.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, like he would eat a lot. That was part of his like, character thing. Remember when he ate all those bananas and he got sick?

• 40:58Speaker 01

  I do. But then they just sort of made it part of who Dwight was. Dwight even says, "He's ravenous after a night of lovemaking. What about you?" And then this is when we hear about Michael's European girlfriend.

• 41:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. I have some news. It's time to go to the church. And I've got a location alert. If you are interested in getting married somewhere in Sherman Oaks, California, and you need doors big enough to fit a horse, you can head on over to the Church of the Chimes on Magnolia Boulevard. We shot at this church on two different Saturdays. I mentioned last week, we had to shoot on Saturdays because that was the only day that we could get every single guest star together in the same room at the same time. The little ready room that I get ready with, with my bridesmaids and my mom,

• 41:52Speaker 02

  that was one of the Sunday school classrooms at the church. And they just kind of redressed it to look like a bride's ready room. And I don't know if you remember this about the location. We kind of talked about this with Greg. We didn't have trailers on site. So we just all kind of hung around on that patio and we talked about how Ed and Creed were playing music.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, Ed brought his banjo. I think Creed had his mandolin. They had a little jam session. And there was that grassy area. You see it in a few shots from the church scenes. And we just hung out there. It was really fun. And it's one of my fondest memories of the whole run of the show.

• 42:31Speaker 02

  Now, do you remember when the paparazzi showed up?

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I do.

• 42:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, they were trying to take pictures of me and John in our wedding outfits.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, they did. You know, the church is on a kind of a busy corner and Randy talked about it, that it was hard to make it private because it was on the corner of an intersection. So guess what, Jenna? They shared on the commentary, and you probably remember this, that you and Paul Lieberstein decided to stage a photo.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  Yes. Oh, my gosh. Yes, I remember that. Yeah, we thought, "What if we do like a fakey, we were gonna pretend like we were shooting a scene and we were gonna have me and Paul dressed as Toby run out of the church holding hands as if we had gotten married or as if he was stealing me from the wedding." We even had the camera guys pretend to shoot us. So it would look like we were shooting. And we wanted the paparazzi to take pictures of that so they wouldn't get a real spoiler.

• 43:38Speaker 01

  Well, they did. You guys clearly ran out the front doors and you hugged. There's like an embrace. I found the paparazzi photo that ended up in a tabloid.

• 43:48Speaker 02

  No.

• 43:49Speaker 01

  Yes, I did. I'll put it in stories. Fakey photo of Pam and Toby hugging. And it's really funny, Jenna, because on the internet, people were like, "I'm sorry, why, why is Pam in a wedding dress? Why is she hugging Toby? What's happening?"

• 44:02Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, that is so funny. I did not remember that part. I did not remember that it worked.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  It did. At the church, everyone is arriving. Phyllis's outfit is amazing.

• 44:16Speaker 02

  Giant hat, many feathers.

• 44:19Speaker 01

  I mean, it's a whole like, pink suit, hat, the whole thing. Mindy, I guess, had really wanted the character of Phyllis to go all out. Like, she wanted a huge, like, fashion statement outfit, as if she was going to one of those big southern weddings.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  Well, speaking of going all out, Kevin shows up with his hairpiece. But then he doesn't have his shoes. And this is where we see that he has made shoes out of a couple of tissue boxes.

• 44:47Speaker 01

  When he walks in and sits down next to Oscar and Angela, Jenna, we had so much fun in this scene. It is such a small moment, but I want you to know, it was so delicious. When my character looks over at him and goes, "Oh, my God." And then Oscar looks at him. We just had a blast.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  We got a fan question from Amy A. in Louisiana. "Who came up with the idea for Kevin to wear tissue boxes to replace his shoes? And what were they made of? How did they make them, basically?" So it was Greg who came up with the idea of Kevin using the tissue boxes. And they were constructed using extra-large Kleenex boxes. And Randy Cordray said, "That's an actual thing. This was not a fakey construction." They just bought giant tissue boxes.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Where do you buy tissue boxes that big?

• 45:43Speaker 02

  I don't know that, but they were fitted with flip flops inside. So that's how they stayed on Brian's feet. He said, "We had to make about 10 pairs of them because they did get beat up pretty quickly."

• 46:00Speaker 01

  Now you're gonna see a bunch of little vignette scenes of everybody at the church. Michael has a talking head where he shares what he got Jim and Pam as their wedding gift.

• 46:10Speaker 02

  It's, it's, um, I am at a loss of words. It's...

• 46:15Speaker 01

  It's a, it's a painting.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  He made it himself.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  He did it from memory.

• 46:20Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  Right? He also has another version of this painting where they're nude. He's keeping that for himself.

• 46:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  Awesome. What? But here's a little tidbit. If you go to 7 minutes 35 seconds during this talking head, you'll notice that the stained glass window behind him is totally dark. There's no light coming through it. But he's lit up so bright. It's because, you guys, we filmed this at night, but it was made to look like daytime. But you can't hide the stained glass. So if you look at the stained glass, there's no light coming through it.

• 46:53Speaker 02

  We got a fan question from Molly S. in Bentonville, Arkansas, who is asking, "Who painted Michael's portrait of Jim and Pam?" Well, it was created by an outside artist. Steve did not paint that. Uh, this was commissioned by Phil Shea. And it was actually the same artist that made the clown painting that hung in Jim's childhood home.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 47:19Speaker 02

  Yes. Randy said he is really bummed because he looked through all of his records and he cannot find the artist's name. So again, if you know the person, or if you are the person who painted the clown painting and painted this portrait of Jim and Pam, we would love to hear from you. Randy also shared with me that there were 10 different versions of this painting that were made, all different. And then Greg picked this one. And after we used it in this episode, Greg hung it in his office until the end of the series, and now it hangs in his home office.

• 47:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  So Greg has it.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  I loved all the scenes between Pam and her mom and her sister.

• 48:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  They felt so real. I mean, clearly Pam's mom was going through a thing. She's like, "You don't have to go through with this." And then her sister's like, "Mom, you're being a drag. You're projecting." But it just felt so honest.

• 48:15Speaker 02

  I know. And then her friend is like, "You know what? If you're good, I'm just gonna go out and I'm just gonna try to find Dwight."

• 48:23Speaker 02

  And Pam's like, "Wait, what?"

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, Pip was like, okay, wait, what? And then Chase is kind of after her to stop her. And her veil gets caught on like, like a door hinge thing.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  Yes, we got a fan question about that. Rebecca R. from Sydney, Australia said, how many veils did you go through? I just love a deep dive on these kinds of costuming things.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  Rebecca, so do we.

• 48:49Speaker 02

  Well, I can tell you, this was very complicated, probably more complicated than I expected it to be, even as the actor.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  It really was. They shared on the commentary that this was a three-piece gag. Okay. First of all, you have the moment before the tear with the veil. Then you have the actual tear. Then you have the after tear. So to create these three beats, they had to use fishing line, special effects, a hook-like thing on the door to snag the veil. It was weeks of figuring it out and timing it. Kelly Cantley, our assistant director, had to wear the veil twice as they tested it out. And they said, Jenna, they were really thankful because you really sold it. You really played out that your head was sort of tugged in a different direction as you were moving the other way.

• 49:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was crazy. We filmed the whole scene and I like, didn't tear my veil at all. And then they actually connected me to the thing, like-

• 49:52Speaker 01

  The fishing line.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  And the hook. So like, I'm connected to it, but I'm pretending like I'm not. And then they sort of like pull the thing and I pull my head. And sometimes the veil wouldn't tear. So then we had to do like what Randy said, a third time where they replaced my good veil that wouldn't tear with a torn veil to get like the after effect of the torn veil. It was a whole thing. It looks seamless and it's sort of amazing how much effort it took to get that little moment. You know, we also got a fan question from Emily K. in Hugo, Minnesota. She's sort of asking me this question. Jenna, is the dress that Pam wore the style you would have picked out for her?

• 50:37Speaker 02

  I'm curious if there's anything you'd change about her look for the big day? And how many meetings went down about what you would look like? Oh, Emily, so many things.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  So many meetings, Emily, so many.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  So many. So originally, Alicia Raycraft, our wardrobe designer and I, we had a little meeting and we were going to have her design Pam a wedding dress because Alicia is an amazing designer. But then we realized that Pam could never afford a custom wedding dress. So we stayed with the rule that our characters can only wear what they can afford to wear. So what we realized was that Pam would do what most brides would do. So Alicia and I went to David's Bridal and we had a budget because you know, the consultant is always like, what's your budget? We gave her a budget.

• 51:35Speaker 02

  She pulled a bunch of dresses and I absolutely loved this one. I mean, I thought it was perfect for Pam. We really tried to approach it like the character would approach it. You know, she had this pregnancy that she's trying to hide, also that she has to make room for. So we got like A-line dresses with a princess cut. And this had that little extra bit of like, what do you call that? Tool or whatever in the front?

• 52:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, like fabric to hide what you need to hide.

• 52:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. We were like, this is perfect. I tried the dresses on with my little pregnancy bump belly. And then I actually contributed something to Pam's wedding outfit, which is her wedding necklace. There's a really good shot of it at eight minutes and 14 seconds in this scene. I had gone to like a jewelry art show, you know, those like an art fair? And they sell jewelry and art and things?

• 52:28Speaker 01

  Are you kidding? I love an art fair in the park. Get out of town.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. And this woman was selling jewelry and I loved this necklace and it was made out of these crystals and it had a meaning behind it where it was supposed to bring you like peace and good luck. And when I saw it, I was kind of like, would Pam wear this on her wedding day? And so I brought it into Alicia and she approved it and the producers approved it. And then we bought two necklaces and I kept one.

• 52:57Speaker 01

  Oh, that's so sweet.

• 52:59Speaker 02

  Because you know, we always have to have a double. So yeah, that's the story behind Pam's wedding dress.

• 53:06Speaker 01

  Well, I think we should take a break because when we come back, Jim and Pam are going to run off.

• 53:12Speaker 02

  I know. It's true and we'll have a lot to say about that.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  All right, we're back and Pam calls Jim on the phone. And she's like, will you come meet me in my dressing room? And he's kind of like, um, is that allowed? Is that okay? She's like, I'm allowing it.

• 53:39Speaker 02

  You know, lady, I got curious about this as this happens, about this tradition of not seeing the bride before the wedding.

• 53:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. Did you look it up?

• 53:50Speaker 02

  I did. It's totally sexist. Do you want to hear it?

• 53:55Speaker 01

  Is it because there were arranged marriages and they didn't want guys to bail if they didn't find the person attractive?

• 54:01Speaker 02

  That's 100% right.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  That was just a guess.

• 54:04Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  I think that's also why women had to wear a veil.

• 54:08Speaker 02

  Yes. And that's why you didn't lift the veil until after they said you were married. Okay. They also like made up the whole like, you know what? We got it, we got it. It's bad luck to see her before the wedding. It's bad luck. It was just like, it's totally made up. So anyway, everyone who's been worried about seeing your bride or groom before the wedding or being afraid that you've created some sort of bad luck, you're off the hook. You're fine. You can go ahead and take those pictures before the ceremony.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  It's okay.

• 54:45Speaker 02

  We also got a fan question about this little scene, Angela, because Jim is playing soccer. And Karen Kay from Pennsylvania would like to know, did Charles Minor's soccer obsession rub off on Jim? Because I was very surprised to see him playing soccer with the little boy on his wedding day.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  I thought this was such a sweet scene. And Greg shared with us that Mindy really loves romantic comedies and she wanted this moment. She wanted Jim in the courtyard with like a young wedding guest kicking the soccer ball around. You know, sort of that pre-wedding nerves and he's out there just hanging out. And it was really important to Mindy. She wanted this moment.

• 55:25Speaker 02

  Well, lady, when Jim gets to Pam's room, she's totally crying. Like she tore her veil. She thinks she looks terrible because she got no sleep. She's five months pregnant.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  She knows way too much about Andy Scrotum.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  Yes. She feels like, I don't know, this day is just not going how she wanted. I remember I had to really work myself up because I wanted this emotion to feel really genuine. And I mean, we filmed this scene so many times. I feel like I was crying for like two hours. It was like, I had a headache afterwards. Like it was really intense day of acting for me.

• 56:04Speaker 01

  This scene is so beautiful. I thought you and John both crushed it.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  Well, it's in this scene where Jim is going to try to make things better by cutting his tie to kind of prove to Pam that this day can be perfect without everything being perfect.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Right. It doesn't matter about the tie. It doesn't matter about the veil. It just matters they're getting married.

• 56:27Speaker 02

  And Greg shared in his interview that this was based on a kind of real life event of a friend of his. It's really sweet. And like I said earlier, we did a lot of takes of this. We wanted to get it just right. We ended up doing like seven takes of this scene, but we ran out of ties. We didn't have a ton of ties, Angela. And so what we did was John would snip just the bottom of the tie. And then on the next take, he would-

• 56:58Speaker 01

  Go a little higher?

• 56:59Speaker 02

  In the middle.

• 57:01Speaker 01

  So he just kept climbing up the tie?

• 57:03Speaker 02

  Yes. And if you look at 10 minutes, six seconds, you can see that the bottom of his tie is already cut off.

• 57:12Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 57:13Speaker 02

  It goes by really fast, but if you pause it, you can tell.

• 57:17Speaker 01

  Well, they decide to kind of elope in the middle of their wedding day.

• 57:21Speaker 02

  They run off. It's a beautiful shot.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  Beautiful shot. Greg said in the commentary, that's a nod to the movie, The Graduate.

• 57:28Speaker 02

  I can see it.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  And of course, right behind them is Meredith smoking a cigar.

• 57:33Speaker 02

  Yes. Now everyone is inside the church and they're just waiting. The ceremony isn't starting. Everyone has opinions.

• 57:42Speaker 01

  There are so many little vignettes here, little different clumpings of people being chatty, being snarky, wondering where Jim and Pam are.

• 57:52Speaker 02

  The cutest, I think, is Michael, who is very hungry, asked Pam's mom for a snack.

• 57:58Speaker 01

  Well, there are a few I want to point out. Number one, at 13 minutes, nine seconds, when Dwight walks up to a sleeping Toby, he's laying down, you know, in the church pew. Did you notice it looks like Toby is in a coffin, the way it's framed at the top?

• 58:13Speaker 02

  I did not. Was that on purpose?

• 58:15Speaker 01

  I noticed that. And then when I listened to the commentary, that was on purpose. Paul Feig said that. So if you go back and look, I'll put it in stories. It cracked me up. Also, there were more, Jenna. There were way more scenes while we all waited for Jim and Pam. Did you know that Angela tells a joke to Oscar and Kevin?

• 58:36Speaker 02

  No.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, she thinks she's real funny and she even talks about her inspiration for comedy. We have to hear it.

• 58:45Speaker 01

  Do you two want to sit next to each other?

• 58:49Speaker 04

  Wait, was that you trying to be funny?

• 58:52Speaker 01

  I saw the funniest comedian one morning. Her name is Kelly Ripa. She's unrestrained. She will say anything.

• 59:00Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh. Angela is a huge Kelly Ripa fan. Who knew?

• 59:05Speaker 01

  She's a huge Kelly Ripa fan. And when like they had me talk about her at the end, they wanted me to laugh and then just wave the camera off. Like, I'm so tickled, I can't even talk anymore.

• 59:16Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh. I love that.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  I completely forgot that I had done that talking head.

• 59:23Speaker 02

  Well, Pam and Jim are just gonna arrive back at the church. They're blissful. Pam's veil is nowhere to be found. Her hair is up now. We're gonna start the wedding processional.

• 59:35Speaker 01

  That's right. But all of a sudden, Jim's brother looks to the back pew in the church where Michael's seated. Michael gives him a nod. Jim's brother then signals to the organ player to stop. Then Jim's brother signals Dwight to get up. Dwight goes over to an iPod shuffle, it looks like, some kind of device like that, and hits play.

• 59:59Speaker 02

  Yes. And now we are gonna see all of Jim and Pam's family and all of their coworkers from Dunder Mifflin dance down the aisle to Chris Brown's song, "Forever." That is gonna be intercut with footage of them getting married on "The Maid of the Mist." We have this big, beautiful wedding montage. It's so joyous. Let's start by breaking down this dance number.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  Let's do it.

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  This was the idea that they had to replace the horse. And I am so glad they did, because this is so cute. This dance was a remake of a viral YouTube video. This couple, Jill and Kevin, danced down the aisle at their real wedding, along with their wedding party. And our writers saw it, and they thought, this is what we should do. We should redo this dance video, because they thought Michael would see this, and this would be something he would think is super cool to recreate. And I guess in real life, couples were recreating this viral video at their weddings.

• 1:01:07Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Everybody knew about this video. Everyone had seen it. It never fails to make me smile. And Greg shared in the commentary that the cast, in particular, really wanted to end on an up note for Jim and Pam.

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:22Speaker 01

  We wanted it to be a happy day. They had had so many things thrown their way. And this joyous moment really checked everyone's boxes.

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  I found the original website for this wedding dance and the real couple. The woman Jill is now a forensic psychologist and associate professor of criminal justice. Her husband Kevin is an immigration attorney, who owns his own firm in St. Paul, Minnesota. Their video has over 100 million views. They have a whole website dedicated to their video. And they said that when they did it on their wedding day, it was a total surprise to everyone in the church. The pastor knew, but no one else knew. And they only posted it on YouTube because they wanted to share it with the friends and

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  family who couldn't come to the wedding. They did not, like, intend for this to be shared widely.

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  It was also during a time on the internet, and YouTube in particular, before we understood how things could quote-unquote "go viral."

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  Yes. They said within 48 hours of posting their video, they were flying to New York to be on the Today Show, that it was just a total wild ride. They also said that they had no idea that we were gonna recreate it on The Office. And Randy Cordray said, "We did not, like, call them or tell them." They said they just saw it on TV. They said they nearly passed out when they saw the episode. They were fans of The Office. But after the episode aired, we did send them a big photo of the cast dancing down the aisle that we all autographed. And Jill has it in her office at work today. And I think the coolest thing about this couple, I have to say, you know, they're still

• 1:03:11Speaker 02

  married. They have three kids now, two boys and a girl. And they used the popularity of this video to raise over $70,000 for charity. And so if you go to their website, they have a place where you can donate. So we're gonna post all that, because they are a pretty cool couple.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  They really are. We tried to find you guys. We tried to reach out. We wanted to talk to you today.

• 1:03:37Speaker 02

  We sent you an email through your website.

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  We did.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  If you maybe don't check it that often, but we're in there.

• 1:03:42Speaker 01

  We're in there. We just wanted to say thank you for sharing such a special part of your wedding that brings joy to so many people, including Office fans. Paul Feig shared that the background performers that filled out the rest of everyone attending the wedding, you know, the attendants and all the different pews, they were having so much fun watching us. He didn't even give direction. It was just pure joy. They were laughing and cheering, and he just let everyone's natural reactions play out. Veda shared that her and Paul Feig both began to cry when they watched us all dance down the aisle, because there was just so much love and happiness in that moment. I feel it whenever we watch it.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  You know, I have to say, I was really bummed, because Pam is at the back of the church the whole time. So I did not really get to see that until it aired. I could just see you guys from behind, so I couldn't see your faces. And I remember thinking, John is so lucky that he's at the front of the church.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Aw, I never thought about that, lady.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  I remember standing back there with you before it was my turn.

• 1:04:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  Well, Mary Ann Kellogg, who choreographed Cafe Disco, also helped choreograph the dancing down the aisle. Parts of it were choreographed and part was like freestyle, you know?

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  A little bit of a combination. I remember talking to Paul Feig about Angela Martin, and we both sort of felt like she wouldn't dance in a church.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  But yet she would want to participate if everyone was participating. She wouldn't just be sitting in a pew watching. So I said to him, what if Angela Martin walks down clutching her purse? Because I also don't think she'd leave her purse unattended.

• 1:05:29Speaker 02

  These are great details.

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. So he really liked that. And so that's why Angela Martin just walks down the aisle, looking at everyone holding her purse.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  We got a fan question from Peyton H. in Vermont, who said, "How many takes did you do to get this right?" You guys, it was one take.

• 1:05:51Speaker 02

  Randy Cordray shared with us that because this was such a last-minute idea, and we had so little time at the church, we only had enough time to do this dance scene twice. We could do two takes of it, but everybody nailed it on the first take, so we moved on. I was also in touch, lady, with Tug Coker, who plays one of Jim's brothers. And he has a crazy story about doing this dance sequence. So here's the thing, we did one full take, like, one running, long take of this, but within that, we did several takes of each bit.

• 1:06:31Speaker 01

  Right. We would reset really quickly, depending on who was in the aisle.

• 1:06:36Speaker 02

  Yes. So Paul Feig, I guess, told Tug, "Here's what I want you to do. I want you to dance down the aisle, and then, once you're off camera, run around the back outside of the church, through the courtyard, back to the front of the church, and go down the aisle again."

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  That's right. We had to do that, you guys. As soon as we did our individual pass, then we had to run back, so we could do the group pass.

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  So Tug said, he did a couple of laps where he just danced individually down the aisle, and then they would hold, and he would run, and he would do his individual dance down the aisle, and then he would run. And he said, and then he also had to run to get into the group formation. He said, "Well, one of the times, when he turned the corner from the courtyard, he slipped in his dress shoes, and he just wiped out in front of the whole cast." He said he almost took down Ed Helms.

• 1:07:29Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  He said he was in a lot of pain. He went to the doctor and found out he had badly sprained his wrist. He had to get a splint after we wrapped the episode.

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  He must have been really hurting.

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  Yes. He said he fell, and he did that thing, you know, like, where you're like, "I'm fine, I'm fine. I'll just continue dancing down the aisle." But like, as soon as the take was over, he, like, went to the doctor, and he was really hurt. So when we got back in touch, he was like, "Jenna, Jenna, when you get to the Niagara episode, I've got a story." You gotta hear this story. And listen, lady, Tug wasn't the only person who wanted to tell us a story about dancing down the aisle at a wedding. We also got some fan mail from Kate S. in Virginia. Here is what she said. "I have been waiting for this episode to tell you, ladies, this great story." I was a bridesmaid in a wedding where the bride wanted us to dance into the reception

• 1:08:25Speaker 02

  like the office crew danced down the aisle at Jim and Pam's wedding. The other bridesmaids were not really into it, but being the office lover I am, I knew this was my moment to shine. I started by walking like Phyllis, then I broke into Oscar's pivot. Then I wanted to do the infamous Dwight kick, but my foot slipped and I fell immediately forward. My face broke my fall.

• 1:08:52Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 1:08:53Speaker 02

  She said, I was so embarrassed, I jumped right up, ran to the dance floor behind everyone. And as soon as the bride and groom came out, I ran to the bathroom because my face was covered in blood and I was missing my front tooth.

• 1:09:07Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:09:09Speaker 02

  But she said it was all for the love of the office.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:09:15Speaker 02

  Kate, you waited so long to send us that piece of mail. I just had to read it. I am so sorry, but thank you. Thank you for sharing with us.

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  Jenna, I feel like Kate needs an Office Ladies coffee mug. I mean, she lost her tooth.

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, we have to send Kate a mug.

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  Kate, we're sending you a mug. Thank you for your love of the office. Big hugs. Well, while all of this dancing is happening at the church, they cut back and forth between the church and Jim and Pam getting married on Maid of the Mist. It just makes the whole moment that much more special. I loved it.

• 1:09:54Speaker 02

  I know. Lady, let me tell you now about the Maid of the Mist. We kind of covered this a little bit with Greg, which is that we could only rent out the front of the boat. The rest of the boat was filled with paying customers. The other thing was that we were in no way allowed to change the course of the boat or the length of the boat ride. So before we went out, Randy and Randall and Paul Feig had all scouted this boat trip. They rode the boat over and over again to see exactly when they wanted Jim and Pam to exchange vows, to have the falls in the background, how long we had before the boat

• 1:10:39Speaker 02

  would turn, everything. They sort of estimated that to cover it all, we would have to take eight boat trips. So they also realized that depending on the time of day, there would be spray coming off the falls. Like some times of day, or depending on the wind, you got more spray. So when you get on the boat, everybody wears those like blue parkas. They give them to you with your ticket.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  Right, right. Like the ones you get at Disneyland.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:11:10Speaker 01

  When it's raining, everyone has their poncho on.

• 1:11:12Speaker 02

  Exactly. So they were like, okay, we'll have them wear their little ponchos. They'll take them off to go get the boat captain that's super cute. They had it all figured out. Randall was like, listen, I am going to need to shoot on a film camera because the white falls are like really white. I'm not going to be able to color balance on a digital camera. That was like a whole extra thing, you know, to shoot on film instead of digital. But anyway, we were so limited in the number of people we could have in the front of the boat that Greg asked Randy Cordray, our line producer, to play the minister, the boat captain. So that's who you see marrying Jim and Pam, and it warms my heart to see him. I just love it so much.

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  I know, I do too. It makes me so happy.

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  But we also had a bunch of family members of our cast and crew in the front of the boat with us. Greg Daniels assistant, Mary Wall, is from the area and her family volunteered to come ride the boat.

• 1:12:13Speaker 01

  That's right. If you listen to the DVD commentary, Mary is pointing out, she's like, that's my cousin, that's so and so. Like her whole family was in it.

• 1:12:22Speaker 02

  Also Kelly Hannan, who is one of our writers assistants, her family rode the boat. And then the craziest thing was that Brian Baumgartner's parents, Bruce and Cherry, happened to be on vacation in Rochester, New York, and they told Brian they were going to visit Niagara Falls the same day we were shooting.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  This is so crazy. They actually just had this planned, unknowing that we were going to be there filming.

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  Yes. And Brian was like, well, you should stop by the set. So he texted us and we were like, oh, my gosh. And then Paul Feig talked them into coming on the boat with us. They did not know what they were getting into.

• 1:12:59Speaker 01

  They are directly behind Jim and Pam as you guys walk on the boat.

• 1:13:03Speaker 02

  Yes. So let me just say, as we get out there, they warned us, you might get a little wet. Lady, lady, as we took our first trip to the falls, we're getting closer, little bit of spray. All of a sudden, like, I don't even know what to call it, like a tidal wave of water, like sheets of water hit me, similar to the water cannon that hit me when I was an extra on the Universal Studios Jurassic Park ride, just like so much water.

• 1:13:43Speaker 01

  Kelly Cantley said on the DVD commentary, Jenna, it looked like someone took an enormous, full, giant tub of water and just doused you with it. She said they could not believe how drenched you got in a matter of seconds. You were drenched.

• 1:14:04Speaker 02

  I will never forget John Krasinski's face after whatever that was hit me, that spray hit me. He, I knew how wet I was because of how he was looking at me. And he, he sort of turned to them like, are we, I mean, can we continue?

• 1:14:23Speaker 01

  Is this, she looks like someone just tossed her over the side of the boat.

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  Yes. My makeup was running down my face. So they just shot us from behind and actually for that trip. And you know that beautiful shot at the very end of the montage where my head is on John's shoulder?

• 1:14:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:44Speaker 02

  That is because I could not turn around.

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  Cause you were so soaked.

• 1:14:47Speaker 02

  I was so soaked. So they brought us back to shore and they dried me off the best they could, like on the side of the shore. They sent us back out again. The same thing happened again. They were like, oh no, I don't know what to do. I guess this is what we have. Finally, in the afternoon, we went out again, hoping like maybe, you know, like it'll be drier this time. And Randy got to talking to the real boat captain, who was like, your actors got pretty drenched this morning. And Randy was like, yes, yes, but um, you know, we were told that you cannot change course at all, so we're going to deal with it.

• 1:15:30Speaker 02

  And the boat captain said, who said that? I'm the captain of this ship and I'm a huge fan of the office. I'll take you anywhere you want.

• 1:15:37Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:15:38Speaker 02

  And Randy was like, wait, what? And he was like, that's right. He goes, I just won't get so close this time.

• 1:15:45Speaker 01

  So he, he like stopped the boat. So you were out of like the splash zone.

• 1:15:49Speaker 02

  Yes. And that is how we ultimately were able to get a dry take. So crazy, right?

• 1:15:56Speaker 01

  Well, it all worked out because it's such beautiful footage.

• 1:15:59Speaker 02

  You know, there's one thing that did not work out.

• 1:16:02Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:16:03Speaker 02

  We got a fan question from April End in South Bend, Indiana, who noticed, what's with the cheek kiss after the Maid of the Mist ceremony? Did you notice that on Maid of the Mist, John kisses me on my cheek and not my lips?

• 1:16:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do. And I was like, what's up? Why, why don't Jim and Pam want to kiss? Why, what's happening?

• 1:16:24Speaker 02

  I will tell you, John Krasinski had a terrible flu. Like truly, you guys, he was running a fever. Like he showed up in hair and makeup that morning and he was like, you know how like you're all clammy and glassy eyed?

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  When you're really sick? That was John. He was having a hard time keeping food down.

• 1:16:46Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh. And I'm sure you guys were like, we only have one day here. What do you do? You have to rally.

• 1:16:52Speaker 02

  We had to shoot it. First of all, to John's credit, you would never know he was sick. He was so amazing. He was such a trooper, but he was really, really worried about giving me his flu. And he was kind of like, I am not going to kiss her on the lips and give her this flu. That is terrible. I won't do it.

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  And I'm sure you were like, thank you.

• 1:17:13Speaker 02

  I was, I was like, okay, but we didn't know, like, what are we going to do? So in editing, Claire had the idea that she would cut from the kind of fakey cheek kiss to a really good, real kiss back at the church ceremony. And we just kind of hoped no one would notice.

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  It's true though, because everyone is waiting for that magical kiss after they say I do.

• 1:17:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  And the church one is such a good one. This all leads to this beautiful talking head by Jim. Greg shared with us that he assigned the talking head to Danny Chun. It's so lovely. I think we should hear it.

• 1:17:52Speaker 03

  I bought those boat tickets the day I saw that YouTube video. I knew we'd need a backup plan. The boat was actually Plan C, the church was Plan B, and Plan A was marrying her a long, long time ago. Pretty much the day I met her.

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  And Claire Scanlon, our editor, shared that she fought really hard to keep this talking head in. And she's shared, maybe if it would have been one of the guys, it might've gotten cut because everyone did think the wedding ended on such a high note, but she just loved this talking head. And I think it's so great that it stayed in.

• 1:18:29Speaker 02

  I get goosebumps every time. I just absolutely love it.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  And once again, our writers did that amazing thing they do where you go from this incredibly sweet moment to Kevin putting his feet in the ice machine at the hotel.

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  And then to Michael and Pam's mom sneaking into a hotel room together.

• 1:18:51Speaker 01

  What? What? And that is how Niagara ends, you guys.

• 1:18:58Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. What fun rewatching this episode. Thank you once again to Greg Daniels. Thank you, Tug Coker, for your wonderful stories.

• 1:19:08Speaker 01

  Yes. And as always, Randy Cordray, oh my goodness, thank you for all the details you shared with us. And Joy Abelfor for hooking us up with Jim and Pam's amazing wedding website.

• 1:19:19Speaker 02

  And be sure to check our Office Ladies pod Instagram account because we're going to be posting a bunch of fun stories to go with this episode. And if you listened to this a little late, just a reminder, there is an Instagram account called Office Ladies Stories. And the woman who runs the account will go and save our stories for us. We are so grateful.

• 1:19:43Speaker 01

  Yes. And that's it for Niagara. We'll see you next week. We hope you have a great one. Love you.

• 1:19:49Speaker 02

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• 1:19:57Speaker 01

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• 1:20:01Speaker 02

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• 1:20:08Speaker 01

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