Pod Insights Office Ladies Second Drink: Prince Family Paper About this episode This week we’re breaking down Prince Family Paper! When David Wallace asks Michael and Dwight to go undercover and scout out a family-owned paper business, Michael’s conscience gets to him. Meanwhile back in the office, everyone debates whether Hillary Swank is hot or not. (The ladies may get on a soapbox or two for this one.) Jenna does a deep dive on Hillary Swank, the ladies delve into all the creative production work that went behind building and shooting the Prince Family Paper company, and Angela shares a funny blooper where a cast member got bits of smoked almonds spit on them. So congratulate yourself for getting up and putting on clothes today, we think that’s hot and totally deserving of this fun episode.
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0:01 Speaker 00 Hello. Welcome to your second drink of Prince Family Paper. Angela, you started this podcast breakdown, like our original breakdown with a gripe.
0:14 Speaker 01 I did?
0:15 Speaker 00 Yes.
0:15 Speaker 01 What'd I say?
0:17 Speaker 00 Okay, it was about a magazine that had put you in a side by side of who wore it best.
0:23 Speaker 01 That's so tacky.
0:25 Speaker 00 I know. We discussed. Well, in honor of that gripe, I'd like to start this second drink with a similar gripe.
0:33 Speaker 01 Were you in a side by side?
0:34 Speaker 00 No, I wasn't in a side by side.
0:36 Speaker 01 Okay.
0:37 Speaker 00 But People Magazine did me dirty, lady. I'm calling them out. They did me dirty.
0:43 Speaker 01 What'd they do?
0:44 Speaker 00 Okay, I get a text from my brother-in-law. He sends me a photo. He had bought a People Magazine because he was getting on a flight.
0:54 Speaker 01 Okay.
0:55 Speaker 00 And he was all excited because he was like, Jenna, I'm on a flight and I opened my People Magazine and here you are.
1:03 Speaker 01 Oh, that's fun.
1:05 Speaker 00 You think it would be fun, but People Magazine did me dirty.
1:10 Speaker 01 What the hell did they do?
1:11 Speaker 00 Okay. They took a quote that I said back in, I think, like 2018, like a while ago. This is an old quote that they're recycling.
1:25 Speaker 01 Okay, slow news day. We're digging back into 2018.
1:29 Speaker 00 So it says, "With younger generations binge-watching 2000s hit The Office on Netflix on Netflix, the 52-year-old is thrilled to be reaching new audiences.
1:45 Speaker 00 Not so thrilling when she's shopping at Target and is approached by a teen. Quote, "They'll say, 'You know what? Does anyone like tell you that you look like an older version of that girl from The Office?'" When Jenna explains that she actually did play Pam Beasley on the show, quote, "Sometimes they don't even believe me," she told Conan O'Brien.
2:07 Speaker 01 Oh, my God, this is some from so long ago.
2:10 Speaker 00 I know. This is back when Conan O'Brien had a talk show.
2:15 Speaker 01 Good night.
2:17 Speaker 00 And then I say, they're like, no, but you do look like her. So I remember telling this funny story. That doesn't do me dirty. That's fine. That's a funny story that I told.
2:27 Speaker 01 Sure, People Magazine, you want to recycle a snippet from an interview from 2018? Fine, we'll let you. Fine.
2:35 Speaker 00 I let it slide. But here's what they did, lady. They found an unflattering, low angle photo of me.
2:45 Speaker 01 Why did they do that? Why?
2:46 Speaker 00 And then, and then here's the other thing. I know this photo. This is from before I was wearing glasses. And I was like, wait, that's a kind of older photo at like a very unflattering angle. And I think they put a filter on this photo to make me look worse.
3:06 Speaker 01 Come on.
3:07 Speaker 00 Lady.
3:08 Speaker 01 Do you have the original? Do you have a side by side of your original and then their mockup?
3:13 Speaker 00 You know, I do, lady, because you know, I love a side by side and I am a mom detective. And look at the difference.
3:23 Speaker 00 This is the original photo. This is the did me dirty. They put a filter on it to create all these shadows and deep lines on my face.
3:32 Speaker 01 What's that about?
3:33 Speaker 00 I don't know.
3:35 Speaker 01 Do you have like an, an ex-boyfriend at People Magazine?
3:39 Speaker 00 I don't know. I don't know. But like, I'm sorry. That's messed up.
3:47 Speaker 01 Mm hmm. Well, it's always crazy to me too, how they, it seems like they pick the most unflattering picture of you out there. It's like, you know, there's better pictures. Why are you picking that one? Like, what is that snarkiness about? And you know what else?
4:03 Speaker 00 What?
4:04 Speaker 01 Every single time there's anything about me and Josh, they always print my age.
4:12 Speaker 01 I'm like, we get it. I'm six years older than him. We get it.
4:17 Speaker 00 Well, here's something that I remember is that when I've had my photo taken by the New York Times, because that's happened a few times, a little bit of a flex. Okay, we did it, Angela. New York Times took our photo twice.
4:30 Speaker 01 They do not edit it in any way. That's the journalistic integrity. So that picture of you is exactly as it is the day they took it. There's no filter.
4:39 Speaker 00 No filter, no Photoshop. They made that very clear. Lady, I remember when they came to my house to take our picture, and they told us that, and we moved two of my kitchen stools out onto my front lawn in front of my hedge where I have really good light. Because they also don't bring like bounce boards and stuff. They're like, we're taking a photo journalistic photo. We were like, okay, well, can we at least take it in a place with really great light?
5:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:07 Speaker 00 And he said, yes. So anyway, okay. Well, moving on to Prince Family Paper, we have discussed how this is a major cringe episode.
5:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:18 Speaker 00 It's my personal number one skip it episode. I, I just, I can't take the hot or not debate. I can't take the Prince Family demise. We got mail on both sides of this argument on skip it or love it. So first up from Miranda D. in Australia. Miranda says, I gotta say, ladies, this is a skip it for me. I recently listened to your first conversation with Billie Eilish and learned it's a skip it episode for her too. The actors who play the Prince Family paper owners do such an amazing job of portraying genuinely sweet business owners, and I feel so bad every time I watch it. But that's not to say there aren't some great scenes in this episode, such as the cold open, which is one of my favorite gym pranks.
6:03 Speaker 01 Well, you know, Miranda, thank you for writing in. I know there's a lot to be discussed here, but I still get excited when you say, Billie Eilish's first conversation, because that meant there was a second.
6:16 Speaker 01 Sorry. I know that's not the point of this conversation. Okay, moving on. We also got a letter from Leighton R. in California. Leighton, you've written us many times. Thank you so much. Leighton said, "I ranked this episode high on the list. My favorite scene was when Michael hits his car against the curb and the Prince family comes outside and helps him. And here's what really stands out. It's how nice their family tends to be despite Michael and Dwight's surveillance and attempts to shut them down. I appreciated the scene because it shows how Michael feels guilty. And then he realizes how he might feel. He is hurting those genuinely great people and this family that really works to keep their business open and it just makes their situation more serious.
7:01 Speaker 01 So I guess Leighton really liked all the complexity there."
7:04 Speaker 00 It is a complex episode. This is true. And it doesn't end how you think it will, which is, I mean, every time this episode comes up, I'm like, "I can't believe we shut down the little family-run paper place."
7:19 Speaker 01 I know. Oh, it's really difficult. It's really difficult.
7:23 Speaker 00 Well, finally, we got this letter from Miranda J. in Wake Forest, North Carolina, who said, "I love how strongly Michael and Dwight each feel about Denny's versus IHOP. I must know the opinions of the office ladies. Which side are y'all on? Personally, I agree with Dwight. Denny's is the OG. Literally beat IHOP by five years." Well, lady, before we say if we're Denny's or IHOP, let's listen to this argument. Michael and Dwight are in the car and it starts with them going over their plans for their alter egos.
7:59 Speaker 02 Okay, so let's go over the plan again.
8:00 Speaker 03 All right. I am a local business owner. I need to buy paper. I find out everything about their prices and policies.
8:05 Speaker 02 Your fictitious name?
8:07 Speaker 03 Michael Skarn.
8:07 Speaker 02 Good. I am a paper salesman looking for a new job. I find out everything about their expenses and salaries.
8:13 Speaker 03 Okay.
8:13 Speaker 02 Then we meet at the Denny's and we compare notes.
8:15 Speaker 03 No, I never said Denny's. IHOP.
8:17 Speaker 02 No.
8:17 Speaker 03 IHOP.
8:18 Speaker 02 I said Denny's.
8:18 Speaker 03 You know how I feel about IHOP.
8:20 Speaker 02 Don't start...
8:21 Speaker 03 You're a socialist. I don't want to get into this debate again.
8:24 Speaker 02 Okay.
8:24 Speaker 03 I enjoy IHOP.
8:25 Speaker 02 I'll have a cup of coffee.
8:26 Speaker 03 You will have pancakes and you'll like it.
8:34 Speaker 00 So lady, do you have strong feelings between Denny's and IHOP?
8:38 Speaker 01 I do not. I love a nice big ol', like, kinda diner breakfast. Jenna, one of my favorite things is when you and I take a trip to New York, we go to a diner and we have a big ol' breakfast together. And I just love it. My dad loved, like, a big breakfast, and I think it just makes me think of him. So, I'm sorry to be a lame-o, but I, I, I don't care one or the other. They seem interchangeable to me. Is that, is that bad?
9:03 Speaker 00 Oh, well, this is Michael's point. Like, we can go to either one of these, but we're going where I want, and you're gonna like it.
9:10 Speaker 01 So what is yours?
9:12 Speaker 00 You know, if you forced me to pick one, if you were like, you can only go to one of these two places for the rest of your life, I think I would have to pick Denny's.
9:23 Speaker 01 Really?
9:24 Speaker 00 Well, we have a Denny's near our house. We don't have an IHOP near our house, and we go to Denny's. So, for a very long time, the Denny's by our house, kids eat free on Tuesdays. And they have a claw machine. And it was like, it was a great place to go, like, go out to dinner with little kids, especially, you know?
9:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:46 Speaker 00 And you could have breakfast for dinner at Denny's, like the kids could. They've got a chicken and waffles. But they've also got a really nice, they've added, like, a nice, like, rice and protein bowl. Can you tell? I eat at Denny's quite a bit.
10:02 Speaker 01 I was gonna say, you are pretty versed in this menu. Yeah, I mean, I lived near an IHOP when I first moved to LA, and I could walk to it. And that's back when my car used to break down all the time. Remember my car that broke down during booze cruise?
10:17 Speaker 00 Yes.
10:18 Speaker 01 And I finally got a new car. So, there were many times where I was just like, oh, my car's not running. And I would walk to IHOP. And I was very thankful for it.
10:27 Speaker 00 Lady, you know, we lived in the same area at first. I lived by an IHOP as well.
10:32 Speaker 01 I thi- it's the same IHOP.
10:33 Speaker 00 We prob- we might have been there at the same time. We didn't even know it. So, yeah, when I first moved to LA, I went to IHOP all the time. And now I've moved kind of further away, and now I'm at, at a Denny's.
10:44 Speaker 01 Well, you guys let us know, are you Denny's or IHOP? I'm very curious. And you guys, we know some of you might skip this episode when you re-watch, but we hope you won't skip our breakdown because it's really fun. We have some great shares about the episode and then Sam and I tried to explain Lord of the Rings to Jenna. We don't do that great of a job, but we tried.
11:05 Speaker 00 Well, it was very funny for me to re-listen to that now that I've seen the movie and now I know what you're talking about and you, you don't do such a bad job.
11:13 Speaker 01 Aw, except I say, I say Sauron, wrong.
11:19 Speaker 00 All right, everyone. Here's your second drink of Prince Family Paper.
11:27 Speaker 00 I'm Jenna Fisher.
11:28 Speaker 01 And I'm Angela Kinsey.
11:29 Speaker 00 We were on The Office together.
11:31 Speaker 01 And we're best friends.
11:32 Speaker 00 And now we're doing the ultimate Office re-watch podcast just for you.
11:36 Speaker 01 Each week, we will break down an episode of The Office and give exclusive behind the scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you.
11:43 Speaker 00 We're the Office ladies.
11:46 Speaker 00 Hi, Angela.
11:47 Speaker 01 Hey Jenna, how's it going?
11:49 Speaker 00 It's going good. Are you ready to destroy a small family business today?
11:52 Speaker 01 Oh, Prince Family Paper.
11:55 Speaker 00 The Prince family.
11:56 Speaker 01 They're the sweetest family.
11:58 Speaker 00 Well, we're gonna take them down.
12:00 Speaker 01 Guess we are.
12:01 Speaker 00 So awful and cringey.
12:02 Speaker 01 Oh, there's a lot of cringe in this one.
12:05 Speaker 00 There sure is. Guys, it's season five, episode 13, Prince Family Paper, written by BJ Novak and directed by Assad Khadada. Here's your summary.
12:17 Speaker 01 Oh.
12:17 Speaker 00 David Wallace calls Michael Scott on the phone.
12:20 Speaker 01 It's so funny to me. I'm so sorry to interrupt your summary that I acted surprised.
12:24 Speaker 00 That I was gonna read a summary?
12:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, you're like, here's a summary. I went, oh, oh, well, look who sassy pants has a summary. She has one every weekend. Just, just expect it. Okay, go.
12:36 Speaker 00 David Wallace calls Michael Scott on the phone. He wants to get his help gathering intel on a rival paper company called Prince Family Paper. Michael takes Dwight along as his backup and meanwhile, the gang debate whether or not Hillary Swank qualifies as hot.
12:56 Speaker 01 Yep, yep. All right. I have to say one thing. I just gotta get this out.
13:01 Speaker 00 Get it out.
13:02 Speaker 01 There used to be a magazine, I don't know which one, you know who you are, they would do this thing, who wore it best?
13:09 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah.
13:09 Speaker 01 And they would put two people side by side in like the same dress or skirt or pants.
13:15 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
13:15 Speaker 01 And there was always one person that wore it best.
13:18 Speaker 00 Right.
13:18 Speaker 01 You know?
13:19 Speaker 00 Um, and they would have a percentage, like people voted?
13:22 Speaker 01 People voted. And you might have worn it best because you were tall and not 5'1".
13:28 Speaker 00 Okay.
13:29 Speaker 01 Okay. And maybe you knew to wear the right kind of heels and someone else wore flip flops with it. I don't know.
13:35 Speaker 00 Right.
13:36 Speaker 01 I'm just saying, to that magazine and people that like to compare who wore it best, or who's hotter, who's not, I say suck it.
13:50 Speaker 00 Thank you, Angela.
13:51 Speaker 01 That's all I'm gonna say.
13:52 Speaker 00 Well, that was clearly a general comment.
13:55 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
13:55 Speaker 00 Nothing based on personal experience, I can tell. I'll have you know, I've also been the subject of a who wore it best.
14:03 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
14:04 Speaker 00 So I feel that.
14:05 Speaker 01 Yeah. You know what? You all wear it best.
14:08 Speaker 00 We all wear it how we wear it.
14:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:11 Speaker 00 Okay? That's how I wore it, period.
14:13 Speaker 01 That's my body. That's how my body wears stuff.
14:16 Speaker 00 How about who wore it? Me. I wore it.
14:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:20 Speaker 00 100% to me for wearing it.
14:23 Speaker 01 And you know what?
14:23 Speaker 00 I got dressed this morning. You're welcome. As you can tell, this episode might have triggered something for us.
14:29 Speaker 01 As you can tell, two gals are sitting here not super appreciating debates on who's hotter, who's not.
14:35 Speaker 00 Yep.
14:36 Speaker 01 Kevin has a lot of thoughts about it. This might be the most Kevin ever spoke in a whole episode.
14:41 Speaker 00 Yes.
14:41 Speaker 01 I think, is this his most line count ever?
14:44 Speaker 00 Possibly.
14:45 Speaker 01 Well, I think we should get to some fast facts.
14:47 Speaker 00 I agree. Here we go. Fast fact number one, new director alert.
14:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:53 Speaker 00 Assad Khadid.
14:54 Speaker 01 Yes.
14:55 Speaker 00 So our line producer, Randy Cordray, had worked with Assad before, and he told us that Assad was actually originally supposed to direct an episode in season four. But that season got cut because of the Writer's strike.
15:08 Speaker 01 Oh.
15:09 Speaker 00 And so they slotted him for season five instead. So we could have almost gotten to work with this man earlier. And I tell you what, he is a delight.
15:17 Speaker 01 You guys, he's like television legend. He's directed everything.
15:21 Speaker 00 Yes, he has directed 77 episodes of The Facts of Life and 117 episodes of Who's the Boss.
15:30 Speaker 01 I know Who's the Boss. If your name is Angela, you know Who's the Boss.
15:35 Speaker 00 What?
15:36 Speaker 01 So the female lead's character is named Angela. You guys, this show was out in the 90s. I was in college in the 90s. I cannot even tell you how many people left this on my answering machine. Angela. I had that on my voicemail, I would say on a monthly basis.
15:55 Speaker 00 That's crazy. Let me finish telling you a little bit about Assad. We loved working with him. I found an interview he did where he said this, which I thought was so great. He said that the most essential thing for making a successful comedy is casting. He said that is because, quote, "You cannot make the actor be funny. Comedy is all about rhythm, timing, pace, and energy."
16:22 Speaker 01 I agree.
16:23 Speaker 00 I thought that was so well said.
16:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:25 Speaker 00 All right, fast fact number two. We got a lot of fan questions about the hot or not storyline. This one comes from Joe S., who asked, "What inspired the subplot of the debate about whether or not Hilary Swank was hot or not?"
16:41 Speaker 01 Was it a magazine that said who wore it best?
16:43 Speaker 00 It wasn't. It wasn't. BJ Novak did an interview with Indie Week, and he said that he was on a flight, and two of the in-flight movies were P.S. I Love You and The Great Debaters. They were both Hilary Swank movies. He was tasked with coming up with a B-plot for an episode, and he thought, quote, "Why not debate about Hilary Swank?" And then he decided that the characters could debate whether or not she is attractive. We got more questions from Amy J. and Rohit R. "How does Hilary Swank feel about this episode?"
17:19 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
17:20 Speaker 00 Good question.
17:21 Speaker 01 Very good question.
17:23 Speaker 00 Well, she did an interview with Time Magazine shortly after this episode came out. She was asked if she had seen the episode, and she said this. I'm not a big television watcher, but definitely everyone made me aware of it.
17:36 Speaker 01 Oh geez.
17:37 Speaker 00 I think it's flattering anytime someone mentions you, but I don't think of myself in terms of that. Meaning like she doesn't lead with if she's hot or not.
17:47 Speaker 01 Right.
17:48 Speaker 00 Later on in the interview, she was asked about women in Hollywood in general, and she replied, "There is so much put on the way we look," which is interesting, going back to your office question, "Are you hot or are you not?" It really does a disservice because there's so much more to life than looking a certain way.
18:08 Speaker 01 We love you Hillary. Hillary, well said. Well said.
18:15 Speaker 00 Fast fact number three, Hillary Swank is a badass. Would you like to hear a little about her?
18:20 Speaker 01 Yes.
18:21 Speaker 00 All right. She was born in Lincoln, Nebraska. She competed in the Junior Olympics and the Washington State Championships in swimming, and she ranked fifth in state in all-around gymnastics.
18:36 Speaker 01 Wow.
18:37 Speaker 00 All-around gymnastics, that's the one where you have to do all the things.
18:40 Speaker 01 You do all the things.
18:41 Speaker 00 She ranked fifth in the state. Okay. Her parents separated when she was a teenager, and she really wanted to be an actress, so her mom moved with her to Los Angeles when she was 16 years old. And she's spoken a lot about this, they did not have a lot of money for a while, and they lived out of their car. They did eventually find a place to live, she enrolled in school, and then, when she was 20, so four years after she moved to LA, she landed the starring role in the next Karate Kid.
19:09 Speaker 01 Julie Pierce.
19:10 Speaker 00 Yeah.
19:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
19:12 Speaker 00 You know all about this, Ange.
19:13 Speaker 01 I do, because you guys, I got really into Cobra Kai this past year. Are you guys watching Cobra Kai? It's so good.
19:22 Speaker 00 I'm not watching it. Should I be watching it?
19:24 Speaker 01 I am loving it. It's also just major like 80s nostalgia. It's so good.
19:29 Speaker 00 Is this something I can watch with my kids? Or is it more adulty? I've heard it's a little bit skews older.
19:34 Speaker 01 It skews older.
19:35 Speaker 00 Than my kids?
19:36 Speaker 01 Yes. I'm not watching it with my kids.
19:38 Speaker 00 Oh, this is your time?
19:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
19:40 Speaker 00 Okay.
19:41 Speaker 01 Josh and I watch it together. I'm sure there's, you know, teenagers that watch it, but Josh and I watch it together. So basically it's sort of picking up where they are now, right?
19:50 Speaker 00 Mm hmm.
19:51 Speaker 01 With the two lead guys. And John Hurwitz, who's the co-creator, they reached out to me to play one of the kids' mom.
19:58 Speaker 00 What?
19:58 Speaker 01 Yes, and I wanted to do it, but it was filming in Atlanta. And you basically have to go to Atlanta for a while and I couldn't do that. I couldn't be away from my kids for that long.
20:07 Speaker 00 Yeah.
20:08 Speaker 01 You know, it wasn't like an in and out. But listen, John Hurwitz, if you ever move to Los Angeles, if you ever decide to film here, I am there. People have been speculating, will Julie come back? Because they're bringing all the characters back. And this is what John Hurwitz said in an interview. They discussed the possibility of bringing Julie Pearce on the show. He said, "In our writer's room, we speak about literally every character that has appeared in the Miyagi verse." They call it the Miyagi verse. So it's obvious we've spoken about Julie Pearce. As to whether or not she'll return to the series, that's something you'll just have to wait to find out.
20:45 Speaker 00 Ooh.
20:46 Speaker 01 I'm here for it, John. Bring her back. Also, a little bit of Office crossover. Jen Salata has directed several episodes of Cobra Kai.
20:55 Speaker 00 Wow.
20:56 Speaker 01 Yeah. I would love it if Hillary Swank, Hillary, go back. Go do a guest star on Cobra Kai. It'd be so good.
21:04 Speaker 00 And then maybe there's like some little bit you could do in her episode.
21:08 Speaker 01 Yes, Hillary, maybe I could be your best friend.
21:11 Speaker 00 This is it.
21:12 Speaker 01 And then I could go just for a week, John, just like four days.
21:15 Speaker 00 Yeah.
21:16 Speaker 01 Okay. There, we worked it out, Jen Salata.
21:19 Speaker 00 Jen Salata directs it.
21:20 Speaker 01 Make it happen.
21:21 Speaker 00 Well, Hillary Swank was 20 years old when she was a next Karate Kid. When she was 25 years old, she did the lead role in Boys Don't Cry.
21:30 Speaker 01 Wow.
21:30 Speaker 00 And she won an Oscar. She is one of the youngest women to ever win an Oscar. She also won an Oscar for her lead role in Million Dollar Baby.
21:40 Speaker 01 That movie destroyed me.
21:42 Speaker 00 Oh.
21:42 Speaker 01 I mean, both of those movies, I mean, they're, ugh.
21:45 Speaker 00 There are only 12 other actresses who have won two or more lead actress Oscars. Those are both lead actress Oscars.
21:53 Speaker 01 So she's in a very impressive club there.
21:56 Speaker 00 She sure is. So that's Hillary Swank, y'all.
21:59 Speaker 01 Well, Hillary, we are here for you. We should take a break. And we come back. There is a classic Jim prank.
22:15 Speaker 00 This episode opens with everyone just working at their desks. We're just working.
22:20 Speaker 01 Just a normal day.
22:21 Speaker 00 No biggie. But then Dwight discovers a red wire that's plugged into his computer. No other computers have red wires. What is it?
22:29 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's a new wire. It's never been there before.
22:31 Speaker 00 Yeah. Well, he starts tearing at this wire.
22:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, he wants to know where it's coming from.
22:36 Speaker 00 Yeah.
22:37 Speaker 01 In the script, it says Dwight pulls the wire off the floor and follows it to the wall. It goes over a door frame under Phyllis's desk and Dwight crawls under Phyllis's desk.
22:47 Speaker 00 Oh, we did it a little differently.
22:49 Speaker 01 We did it a little differently. First of all, you can't crawl through Phyllis's desk because there was like a backstop, right? Yeah. So it doesn't go all the way through to Stanley's desk. And in the script, Phyllis says Dwight, get out of there. And that's pretty much in the episode. And then Dwight would have said, shush, shush, shush. But I think Rain improvised, shut up, Phyllis.
23:11 Speaker 01 So Dwight's gonna follow this wire into the hall.
23:14 Speaker 00 Yeah, all the way outside and up a telephone pole, which we can see over Jim's shoulder in Jim's Talking Head.
23:24 Speaker 01 Right. And it is a real telephone pole.
23:26 Speaker 00 It's a real telephone pole. Jim says he got 500 feet of red wire at a flea market for 20 bucks. How long did this take him?
23:35 Speaker 01 Jim has a lot of extra time.
23:36 Speaker 00 He gets to work so early.
23:39 Speaker 01 Pam is like, you know what? I know we were gonna carpool, but you've got that Dwight prank. And you've got to go at 3:00 in the morning and I'm gonna sleep in.
23:47 Speaker 00 Yeah.
23:48 Speaker 01 Like, what's the real life side of that?
23:52 Speaker 00 I reached out to Randy to find out how we did this stunt of Rain up on this telephone pole.
23:58 Speaker 01 Right. He can't climb a real telephone pole. That's not safe.
24:01 Speaker 00 No, because what he told me was that the pole over Jim's shoulder really is an actual working utility pole that's embedded in our sidewalk, you know, right out there.
24:12 Speaker 01 Folks, don't go climb it for a photo.
24:14 Speaker 00 Don't climb it.
24:15 Speaker 01 You can get electrocuted.
24:16 Speaker 00 Yeah, it carried high voltage electricity. They couldn't even have a stunt person dressed as Dwight climb that pole.
24:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
24:23 Speaker 00 So our production designer, Michael Gallenberg, and his construction team rented a matching utility pole. You can do that, I guess.
24:32 Speaker 01 No.
24:33 Speaker 00 Where is that?
24:34 Speaker 01 I mean, seriously, how do they know these things? This is the crazy part of Hollywood magic. Oh, you know what I'm gonna do today? I'm gonna rent a fakey telephone pole.
24:44 Speaker 00 Yeah.
24:45 Speaker 01 That's huge.
24:46 Speaker 00 Huge. Well, they put it up in our parking lot between the two sound stages and they put like a green padded platform around it.
24:55 Speaker 01 In case you fell?
24:56 Speaker 00 Yep. And they put up a big green screen behind the whole thing. And then they brought Rain out along with like a stunt coordinator and a safety officer. And they had Rain climb up. It was only a few feet that he had to climb. And then in post-production, they had their visual effects team digitally add Rain to the real pole over Jim's shoulder.
25:19 Speaker 01 They superimposed like one pole onto the other?
25:22 Speaker 00 Yes.
25:22 Speaker 01 Got it.
25:23 Speaker 00 Even though Rain was really only a little bit off the ground, they could like hike it up so it looked like he was like halfway up the pole.
25:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:32 Speaker 00 That's movie magic, folks.
25:33 Speaker 01 That is some good movie magic.
25:34 Speaker 00 But here's the thing that gets me about that. That's like real special effects, kinda like stunt-y stuff for our little TV show about a paper company. Like, I never really thought hard about how much work it took to do that gag until we went to break it down.
25:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:54 Speaker 00 Right? Like, it's such a quick little blip and you're like, that was like two weeks of figuring that out.
26:00 Speaker 01 Of prep.
26:00 Speaker 00 Yeah.
26:01 Speaker 01 I feel like every week we are learning how much Michael Gallenberg, Kyle Alexander, Phil Shea, our wardrobe department, set designers, how they all made these little moments happen and made it seamless.
26:13 Speaker 00 Yeah. I know, so much work goes into these little things.
26:17 Speaker 01 It's amazing.
26:17 Speaker 00 The fruit fly wrangler.
26:19 Speaker 01 We had to know their like mating cycle.
26:22 Speaker 00 Craziness.
26:22 Speaker 01 It's crazy.
26:23 Speaker 00 Well, that was the cold open. Now, we start this episode. Michael's in his office. He's on the phone with David Wallace.
26:30 Speaker 01 I feel like David's really playing Michael here because he dangles out that regional supervisor job. He's like, you know, I still haven't filled that slot yet. And Michael's like, oh. And then he asks Michael to go do this thing.
26:42 Speaker 00 Yeah.
26:42 Speaker 01 To go spy on this tiny little paper company.
26:46 Speaker 00 I know. To do some field work.
26:48 Speaker 01 Michael's so excited.
26:50 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah. During this scene, I was really struck by the toys on Michael's desk because they would rotate them.
26:58 Speaker 01 They would, you guys. Every once in a while, there'd be some new toys.
27:00 Speaker 00 Here's what was on his desk. A Rubik's Cube, not finished.
27:05 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
27:05 Speaker 00 A tiny pool table.
27:07 Speaker 01 Yes.
27:08 Speaker 00 A colorful, plastic, expanding ball thingy. You know that thingy?
27:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah. That's a staple.
27:14 Speaker 00 Yes, and also the wind-up teeth. Those are always there. But the pool table had moved, so he's clearly played it recently, and it's on top of all the stuff in his inbox. He can't get to anything in his inbox.
27:26 Speaker 01 It's not important.
27:27 Speaker 00 The pool table is number one of things to do.
27:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
27:31 Speaker 00 It made me laugh.
27:34 Speaker 01 A miniature pool table in his inbox says, "Everything you need to know about Michael Scott's work ethic."
27:39 Speaker 00 That's right.
27:40 Speaker 01 Stanley and Phyllis are going to start having this conversation about whether or not they think Hillary Swank is hot. And the rest of the gang gets involved. I feel like these kind of moments happen in small offices. You sort of start to debate things, like you pick a soccer team during the playoffs, and people debate about the players, and it can become a whole thing, and it's just a way to fill the boredom.
28:01 Speaker 00 Oh, for sure.
28:02 Speaker 01 I have a bone to pick with Jim.
28:04 Speaker 00 Why is that?
28:05 Speaker 01 At 3 minutes 18 seconds, I titled this moment, "What the hell, Jim?"
28:09 Speaker 00 What is the moment?
28:10 Speaker 01 Jim suggests they put it to a vote in the bullpen. Angela says she isn't voting, and Jim says, "Nobody cares."
28:18 Speaker 00 Oh.
28:19 Speaker 01 What the hell, Jim?
28:20 Speaker 00 That's some Jim sass.
28:21 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm. Jim sass.
28:23 Speaker 00 Did you notice what Pam said?
28:25 Speaker 01 What did Pam say?
28:26 Speaker 00 Pam says, "Did you see her with her bangs?"
28:29 Speaker 01 Oh!
28:31 Speaker 00 And lady, this made me laugh out loud because I have just recently gotten bangs.
28:37 Speaker 01 And people have a lot of opinions about it.
28:39 Speaker 00 They do have opinions about my bangs. But what made me laugh was that before I got my bangs, I, of course, Googled images of people with bangs. You have to do research. You don't just... You gotta look at all the pictures.
28:52 Speaker 01 You Googled people with bangs. You texted me, "I think I'm gonna get bangs."
28:56 Speaker 00 Yeah.
28:57 Speaker 01 To which I replied, "Oh, no."
28:59 Speaker 00 I said, I think I'm gonna get bangs right now because like I was getting a haircut in the moment. By the time you replied, it was done.
29:07 Speaker 01 I know. I was like, oh, I was busy with the kids. I decided we were gonna paint. I bought the canvas and all the paint stuff. We're outside. We'd made this huge mess. I'd set my phone aside so I didn't get paint on it. And then I just thought I'd check in, see what's happening. And I see this text from you that's half an hour old. That says, I think I'm gonna get bangs now. And I was like, oh no, I didn't get to weigh in. But lady, I think they're adorable. I think they're super cute because they're curly.
29:32 Speaker 00 I'm loving it. I bring it up because one of the people I saw in my research was Hilary Swank with bangs. So when Pam said this in the scene, it made me laugh. But I really based my bangs on some like Mia Farrow from Hannah and her sisters.
29:47 Speaker 01 You look very 70s, kind of like beachy wave with bangs.
29:52 Speaker 00 A little bit of Terry Gar. Terry Gar wore some bangs like no one's business.
29:57 Speaker 01 That's right.
29:57 Speaker 00 But my main inspiration was probably Stevie Nicks. And I will admit that after getting my bangs, I did style my hair in a full Stevie Nicks. And then I took pictures and I put them side by side. I was too shy to post, but.
30:12 Speaker 01 I want to see the side by side.
30:14 Speaker 00 You want to see my Stevie Nicks picture?
30:15 Speaker 01 Do you have it on your phone?
30:16 Speaker 00 Yeah, I mean, I really did this.
30:18 Speaker 01 Oh, my God, Jo, this is amazing. Oh, you kind of did the same mouth.
30:24 Speaker 00 I tried it. I put on the same necklace. I did like a whole thing.
30:27 Speaker 01 Oh, you did. We gotta put that in Office Ladies Pod Stories, please.
30:31 Speaker 00 It's okay. I mean, I'm doing a whole pouty mouth, so I got a little bit like shy.
30:36 Speaker 01 You even did the dark eyeliner.
30:37 Speaker 00 I did. I'm telling you, she was my inspo.
30:40 Speaker 01 This was a whole afternoon. I thought I knew your life. This was a whole day. I didn't know what was happening.
30:46 Speaker 00 I mean, I had to take off my glasses for the picture.
30:48 Speaker 01 I know.
30:49 Speaker 00 Which actually made it a little hard to take the picture because I couldn't see very well.
30:53 Speaker 01 Tell me about it. I can't tell you how many photos I've taken of Josh and the kids because you know, when you're like a family, one parent has to take the picture.
31:00 Speaker 00 Yeah.
31:00 Speaker 01 And half the time I don't have my glasses because I'm not good about wearing them. And Josh will be like, babe, these are out of focus. I'm like, I can't tell. I just click.
31:09 Speaker 00 I love how we literally could not be more off topic.
31:12 Speaker 01 We are so off topic. Okay.
31:13 Speaker 00 All right, we'll get back to it.
31:15 Speaker 01 Let's get back on topic. All right, all right, all right. So we are now, oh, God, you guys, we're about to talk about a scene I absolutely loved. It's a driving scene between Dwight and Michael. They're headed to Prince Family Paper. Did you notice how much they bicker in this scene? They're like an old married couple.
31:31 Speaker 00 I loved it.
31:32 Speaker 01 They bicker about who would seduce the fictional daughter. They don't even know if this person exists.
31:37 Speaker 00 Yeah.
31:38 Speaker 01 And they bicker about Denny's and IHOP. They bicker about the clouds. Dwight says, get your clouds right. Michael tells him to shut up. But I have a background catch.
31:49 Speaker 00 What is it?
31:49 Speaker 01 Oh, it sent me down a Google path, Jenna. All right. So whenever we have driving scenes, we always look for palm trees, right?
31:57 Speaker 00 Yeah.
31:58 Speaker 01 Spot the palm tree. In this one, I recognize the street they were on. It's Chandler Boulevard. It's a residential street. And guess what else I recognized?
32:06 Speaker 00 What?
32:07 Speaker 01 It was trash day. And there were blue recycle bins in every driveway. I took a few photos.
32:13 Speaker 00 Okay.
32:14 Speaker 01 I'll put those in pod. So then I thought, is that what the recycle trash bins look like in Scranton? So that took me to the recycling laws for Lackawanna County.
32:25 Speaker 00 Oh.
32:25 Speaker 01 Hang with me because there's a woman named Barbara who I am now fascinated by. First of all, that is not what recycle bins look like in Lackawanna County. So theirs are like these blue round tubs.
32:37 Speaker 00 Okay.
32:37 Speaker 01 Unless they've changed, you guys can correct me. Ours are these like skinny rectangles with lids.
32:42 Speaker 00 Yep.
32:43 Speaker 01 So here's an article I read from April of 2019. Barbara Giovinoli is the recycling coordinator for Lackawanna County. Barbara shared that the recycling center in Lackawanna County accepts plastics and glass bottles and jars, aluminum steel cans, as well as newspaper. It is a dual-streamed system. They have containers, bottles, jars, and cans in one, and paper fibers separately. They do not accept plastic bags, takeout containers, or pizza boxes. And apparently, lady, the recycle centers get all kinds of wacky things. People put all kinds of crazy things in the recycle bins. Barbara has a tip for you. She wants you to know. She says there's an easy way to remind yourself what can and
33:25 Speaker 01 cannot be recycled at the Lackawanna County Recycling Center. Quote, "Ask yourself, is it a bottle? Is it a jar? If the answer is no, that means it has to be thrown away."
33:39 Speaker 00 I want to meet Barbara.
33:40 Speaker 01 I want to meet Barbara. I want to meet Barbara. It's real simple. Ask yourself, is this a jar? Is this a bottle? No, trash.
33:51 Speaker 00 Wow.
33:52 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
33:52 Speaker 00 We have to meet her.
33:53 Speaker 01 We have to meet her. Anyway, this was a random thing I noticed in the background. No palm tree siding, several recycle bins. Also in the scene, for those of you guys keeping track of how many times Michael Scarn is mentioned in the series, this is one of them because it's going to be Michael's alias, and then they get into a real heated argument, I mean, that has history about Denny's and IHOP.
34:16 Speaker 00 Yeah.
34:16 Speaker 01 They're going to rendezvous after they get the info. Michael says at IHOP, and Dwight's like, I did not agree to IHOP.
34:24 Speaker 00 Socialist, he says.
34:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, he's like, you socialist, I'm going to Denny's. And Michael's like, you are going to IHOP and you will have pancakes and you will like it.
34:32 Speaker 00 What do you like? Do you have strong feelings about IHOP or Denny's?
34:35 Speaker 01 I really don't, but I would say I've had IHOP more because there was one right on campus when I went to college, basically like across the street. And we would walk over there. And there's also one by my kid's pediatrician office. So
34:48 Speaker 00 Yeah.
34:48 Speaker 01 I've just been to IHOP more.
34:50 Speaker 00 I would say that if I'm looking for a pancake, IHOP is going to come to mind.
34:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:55 Speaker 00 But I want to say these words to you.
34:57 Speaker 01 Oh, what?
34:58 Speaker 00 Moons over my hammy.
34:59 Speaker 01 Oh, is that?
35:00 Speaker 00 That's a Denny's special.
35:01 Speaker 01 Special.
35:02 Speaker 00 And it's real good.
35:04 Speaker 01 Okay.
35:04 Speaker 00 So if I'm wanting more of an egg sandwich, I'm going to have to head to Denny's.
35:09 Speaker 01 Now I'm just craving breakfast.
35:11 Speaker 00 I know, me too, kinda. Well, these guys do eventually get to their destination of Prince Family Paper. It's in like a little strip mall.
35:22 Speaker 01 Right.
35:23 Speaker 00 And I got a location alert.
35:25 Speaker 01 Let's do it.
35:26 Speaker 00 We rented an empty mini mall near the corner of Laurel Canyon and Victory Boulevard in North Hollywood, California.
35:33 Speaker 01 We rented a whole mini mall?
35:35 Speaker 00 I guess we did because Randy said our location manager, Kyle Alexander, had to find a location where we could have some sort of office front that had all windows because we assumed- That if they were going undercover, they couldn't bring a documentary crew with them.
35:53 Speaker 01 Oh, that's so smart. I didn't even think about that. When I watched, every single shot is through the glass.
35:57 Speaker 00 Yes. And so they had to be able to have a total glass front on this office. But then we also needed this giant parking lot. So he was able to find all of that in this little empty mini mall.
36:13 Speaker 01 I want Kyle to come on the show.
36:15 Speaker 00 Me too.
36:16 Speaker 01 He's like the master of every amazing location.
36:19 Speaker 00 So good. Get this, we had to bring all those cars. And did you notice the fakey snow residue? We put fakey snow residue on all the cars.
36:28 Speaker 01 They're still dirty from last week.
36:30 Speaker 00 I know. And then our production designer, Michael Gallenberg, had to create the entire Prince family paper offices from scratch.
36:37 Speaker 01 Michael, we want you on too. Michael and Kyle, we want you on.
36:41 Speaker 00 We're coming for you. So they're in the car and Dwight's got a little pair of binoculars and they're coming up with their plan.
36:48 Speaker 01 Dwight's binoculars are like industrial looking. They look like they have night vision.
36:52 Speaker 00 Yeah. And then here is my question. Through this whole scene, they are eating. What are they eating? Is it a giant can of nuts? I tried to zoom in. What is it? Did you see it?
37:07 Speaker 01 I did. I did take a picture. I actually loved the blooper for this scene so much that I filmed the blooper and I sent it to Rain and texted him and I was like, what are you guys eating? And he was cracking up. He said, Ange, I am pretty sure those were smoked almonds.
37:24 Speaker 00 Yeah, they looked like almonds, but they had like stuff on them.
37:29 Speaker 01 Yeah. He said he was pretty sure they were smoked almonds. And while they're eating these almonds, they decide on a signal that they need to give each other if there's danger. They need to get out of there. And Dwight says, you gotta lick your lips. And Michael does a quick lick. Meanwhile, they're eating these almonds the whole time. And Dwight goes, no, like this, and does this big like
37:49 Speaker 00 thing.
37:49 Speaker 01 Yeah. And in the process of doing this, they started laughing. And when they did, Rain, in his laughter, in his goofah, he spit like projectile almond. It like flew and hit Steve in the face. I have the blooper clip.
38:05 Speaker 02 We're gonna need a signal to bolt out of there at the slightest sign of danger. Okay, and that signal is lick your lips.
38:14 Speaker 02 No, no, no. Like this.
38:20 Speaker 01 Oh, no. Oh, dude, I'm so sorry. Oh, [bleep]. Oh, [bleep]. I'm so sorry, dude.
38:27 Speaker 02 It's okay.
38:29 Speaker 00 He sprayed the side of his face with wet, half chewed almonds. I mean, you can hear it come out of his mouth. You really can.
38:37 Speaker 01 And then Rain felt so bad and he grabs like a tissue and he starts in the moment just reacting. He just starts wiping Steve's face.
38:46 Speaker 00 Oh, my gosh. It's so good. It's so good. Michael then has a talking head where he says that in nature, there is a food chain. Where the bigger shark eats the littler shark and so on.
39:00 Speaker 01 Until it gets to the single cell shark.
39:03 Speaker 00 Exactly. And basically, you know, that's what they are. They're sharks. And then as he's getting out of the car, he's doing the whole Jaws theme.
39:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:15 Speaker 00 He goes into Prince Family Paper. He introduces himself as Michael Scarn and he sits down and he starts having just the most wonderful conversation with Mr. Prince. Michael's doing a kind of a good job.
39:33 Speaker 01 He is. And you know, he completely charms Mr. Prince.
39:37 Speaker 00 He does. He's a lawyer who knows a lot about paper because he is a genius.
39:43 Speaker 01 Yes.
39:43 Speaker 00 About some things, but not everything.
39:45 Speaker 01 Not everything.
39:46 Speaker 00 What's this? Is this a phone? Is this a phone?
39:49 Speaker 01 Mr. Roger Prince can't get enough of it. He's cackling laughing. He also learns that Prince Family Paper is a three person operation.
39:56 Speaker 00 Yeah.
39:56 Speaker 01 Mr. Prince, his wife Linda, and his son.
39:59 Speaker 00 Yes.
39:59 Speaker 01 And his granddaughter Rebecca sits in the corner.
40:02 Speaker 00 Angela, I did a guest star breakdown for the members of Prince Family Paper.
40:09 Speaker 01 Oh, great.
40:10 Speaker 00 So Roger Prince, the father, was played by Dan Desmond. And I found this really interesting. From 1990 to 2001, he was in five different episodes of Law and Order, and he played a different character each time.
40:27 Speaker 01 Let me tell you, I love Law and Order, and they do that.
40:30 Speaker 00 I know.
40:30 Speaker 01 They bring people back. One time you're a police officer, the next time you're a judge.
40:34 Speaker 00 I was literally just watching a Law and Order marathon, and I swear Jeremy Sisto was like just a guest star, like a guy. And then in the next episode, he was a police officer in like a series regular.
40:49 Speaker 01 No, I don't doubt it.
40:50 Speaker 00 Did that happen?
40:51 Speaker 01 I feel like the rules of Law and Order are sort of like a soap opera.
40:54 Speaker 00 Yeah.
40:55 Speaker 01 You can come back in many different forms.
40:57 Speaker 00 Well, they loved Dan Desmond over at Law and Order. He was also in the movie Bruce Almighty, and most recently in the mini-series Little Fires Everywhere.
41:05 Speaker 01 Gung, gung.
41:08 Speaker 00 Roger Prince Jr. was played by Dan Backandall. You might recognize him for his recurring roles on Veep, or The Goldbergs, or Space Force. He was also a regular on Life in Pieces. He has also been on Law and Order, but just one episode.
41:27 Speaker 01 Okay.
41:28 Speaker 00 Linda Price was played by Sharon Blackwood, who recently appeared in two episodes of Ozark, has never been on Law and Order. None of them have been on Monk.
41:40 Speaker 01 What?
41:40 Speaker 00 None.
41:41 Speaker 01 craziness. Okay, wait, I have a Law and Order story.
41:45 Speaker 00 What is it?
41:46 Speaker 01 It's one of my more embarrassing audition stories.
41:49 Speaker 00 You auditioned for Law and Order?
41:50 Speaker 01 I did. Shocker. Didn't get it. You'll know why. You guys, I was so excited. I love Law and Order. I would watch the marathon on TNT. I loved it.
42:02 Speaker 00 Yeah, same. I still watch the marathon.
42:04 Speaker 01 I still watch it. If it's on, I'm watching it. All right. I got an audition. I was so excited and I was very new to auditioning. Okay. I'd only booked a few commercials. It was to be a real estate agent. You know how the guys at the top of the show would like interview people while they were at work?
42:24 Speaker 00 And they're always too busy.
42:25 Speaker 01 They're always too busy.
42:26 Speaker 00 I gotta get somewhere.
42:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, like.
42:28 Speaker 00 This murder you're investigating is a big inconvenience to me. I have to show a house.
42:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly.
42:33 Speaker 00 Are we done?
42:34 Speaker 01 Are we done? Exactly. I had just watched an episode where they were questioning these guys that were loading trash into like a garbage truck.
42:42 Speaker 00 Yep.
42:42 Speaker 01 They did not stop loading their trash.
42:44 Speaker 00 No.
42:45 Speaker 01 They're gonna keep, they're annoyed. I'm busy here. I gotta keep the truck moving.
42:48 Speaker 00 Always.
42:49 Speaker 01 Always. I had this in my brain. In the script, it said, "They question a real estate agent as she is setting out her signs for the day with the little flag, her showing signs."
43:01 Speaker 00 Yeah.
43:01 Speaker 01 Right? You know those things.
43:03 Speaker 00 Lady, I'm not even joking. I think I literally just saw this episode.
43:07 Speaker 01 Are you kidding?
43:07 Speaker 00 Yeah, there was a blonde woman and she had to be blonde because that was part of the plot.
43:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
43:12 Speaker 00 By the way.
43:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
43:13 Speaker 00 And she was talking to them while putting out the little sign for selling the house.
43:19 Speaker 01 Okay.
43:20 Speaker 00 Oh, my God, I saw the part you didn't get.
43:22 Speaker 01 Okay, so I go in there and I'm like, okay, I got this. So it's the casting agent. She's sitting across from her desk. I was so nervous, but I was like, I got this. I got this. Literally, it's three lines. It's like three or four lines. That's it. All I had in my brain was, you will not interrupt me from putting out my real estate sign.
43:41 Speaker 00 Yeah.
43:41 Speaker 01 That's the energy. Jenna in this woman's office. I moved two chairs out of my way.
43:47 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
43:48 Speaker 01 Her chairs, her chairs.
43:50 Speaker 00 You had to put up your sign.
43:51 Speaker 01 I moved them. And then when we started the scene, I am setting things out, setting it out, moving things.
43:57 Speaker 00 Busy.
43:58 Speaker 01 Busy. I'm moving things. And it must have been really distracting. She said, you know what, I'm gonna stop you.
44:05 Speaker 00 Oh, no, you never want to hear that in an audition.
44:08 Speaker 01 No, she was like, you're doing too much. Okay, you're doing too much. Stop moving things around and just deliver the lines. And I said, okay. This went into my brain as, don't touch her chairs, but do some great space work.
44:23 Speaker 00 Yeah, mime it.
44:24 Speaker 01 Now I mime putting out real estate signs. Mime, mime, mime, mime, mime. I must have just looked ridiculous.
44:32 Speaker 00 Yeah.
44:33 Speaker 01 I didn't get the part. I did too much business.
44:35 Speaker 00 You know who's been on Law and Order?
44:37 Speaker 01 Who?
44:38 Speaker 00 Rainn Wilson.
44:39 Speaker 01 Oh.
44:40 Speaker 00 He plays a creepy janitor.
44:41 Speaker 01 Oh, I need to see it.
44:43 Speaker 00 During one of my marathons, I was just sitting there and I was like, oh, it's Rain. Rain, there he is. You know who else has been on Jackie DeBotton?
44:51 Speaker 01 Ah.
44:52 Speaker 00 Yeah, she was just on in the marathon I watched.
44:54 Speaker 01 Jackie. Well, if I ever get to audition for Law and Order again, I'm not going to do a lot of business.
45:00 Speaker 00 Don't do it. Finally, Rebecca Prince, the little girl, was played by Emily Evan Ray, and she's gonna come back in a couple of episodes, actually. Emily recently produced and directed a documentary called Stop the Bleed about the mass shooting in Parkland, Florida.
45:17 Speaker 01 My gosh.
45:18 Speaker 00 Emily was born and raised in Parkland, and she made the movie to give a voice to the family, friends, and the community who were affected. She won the Audience Award at the Fort Lauderdale Film Festival for Best Documentary.
45:32 Speaker 01 Wow.
45:33 Speaker 00 Yeah, that's what she's been up to.
45:35 Speaker 01 That's amazing.
45:36 Speaker 00 Yes. Well, on that note, I think we should take a break, and then we'll be back to join the group at Dunder Mifflin, because they have more to say.
45:43 Speaker 01 There's a big debate going on.
45:53 Speaker 01 Well, we're back in the bullpen.
45:55 Speaker 00 Okay.
45:56 Speaker 01 And the debate is still going on, the hot or not. There's a whole debate about what is attractive hot.
46:02 Speaker 00 Right.
46:02 Speaker 01 Kevin has a lot to say.
46:03 Speaker 00 The most ever. But first, Jim is going to comment that, you know, sometimes we forget to think of celebrities as real people. Kevin sort of says it's a gut thing, right?
46:15 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
46:15 Speaker 00 And then Jim gets all up in Kevin's ear and gives like a husky whisper.
46:22 Speaker 01 Sultry, paints a picture of Hillary Swank coming up to him.
46:26 Speaker 00 We got so much mail about John Krasinski's husky voice to Kevin in this episode. It was like, just, I was too shy to put it in my document.
46:40 Speaker 01 Oh, come on. Give me one nugget, something you remember someone saying. One nugget.
46:46 Speaker 00 Basically, this woman said,
46:48 Speaker 01 What?
46:50 Speaker 00 John Krasinski could debate anything in my ear if he uses that voice.
46:56 Speaker 00 It was so funny to me. But I did write down this one because Laura B. needed a soapbox moment, so I thought I'd give it to her.
47:05 Speaker 01 Okay, Laura.
47:06 Speaker 00 Laura says this, "It always bothers me that when Stanley asks why they're making a distinction between beautiful and hot, Kevin says, quote, 'A painting can be beautiful, but I don't want to bang a painting.' But later in the episode, Kevin turns around and tells Jim to respect the game after Jim narrates the saucy scenario with Hillary Swank. And Kevin says, 'No, it's is she hot, not would you bang her.' But he just used the same phrase to explain why he wouldn't bang a painting.
47:42 Speaker 01 Kevin, you can't use the same argument on different sides.
47:46 Speaker 00 That's what Laura B. says. She says, "You respect the game, Kevin."
47:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, Kevin.
47:52 Speaker 00 Laura, we hear you.
47:54 Speaker 01 Angela has been over in accounting. She hasn't wanted to participate, but she can't take it anymore. All right? Kevin holding court like this, she's had it. She gets up and she says, "Okay, I wasn't going to dignify this discussion by getting involved, but I don't even get the discussion. Hot is a temperature, people, but Kevin deserves to lose for what he said. So yes, she's hot. She's hot as heck. She's a female Boris Becker." I love that Boris Becker is it for Angela Martin. Who knew?
48:26 Speaker 00 I know. I didn't even realize Angela Martin was a tennis fan.
48:30 Speaker 01 Clearly.
48:31 Speaker 00 Yeah. Well, y'all, Boris Becker was a German tennis player who shot to stardom when he won the Wimbledon men's singles title in 1985. It was significant because he was only 17 years old and he was the first unseeded player and the first German to win the Wimbledon singles title, as well as the youngest ever male Grand Slam singles champion.
48:57 Speaker 01 It was huge. I watched it with my mom. My mom's a big, big tennis player. She's phenomenal. She was ranked by the USTA by her age group. I spent my whole childhood on a tennis court.
49:07 Speaker 00 Wow.
49:07 Speaker 01 Yeah. My mom is like-
49:08 Speaker 00 I did not know that about your mom.
49:09 Speaker 01 My mom's a badass tennis player. We're a big tennis family, guys. There are two things that are always on at our house, either the weather or tennis, because my mom has the tennis channel.
49:19 Speaker 00 Yeah.
49:20 Speaker 01 And we'll watch old games. Oh, I'd love it when Boris Becker would play Stefan Egberg, because my mom had shown me old games of Bjorn Borg, and he was the other big Swede. There was Stefan and Bjorn Borg, and Bjorn Borg would play John McEnroe. Speaking of, Boris Becker played John McEnroe, and it's one of the longest games in tennis history. It was the Davis Cup. It was six hours and something minutes. Can you imagine playing tennis for six hours?
49:43 Speaker 00 No.
49:43 Speaker 01 Unbelievable.
49:44 Speaker 00 I can't imagine playing tennis for six minutes. So.
49:48 Speaker 01 Anyway, Boris Becker does it for Angela Martin.
49:52 Speaker 00 I think we should go back to Prince's family paper, lady. We forgot to mention that Dwight has come in. He's going to pretend to get a job there. He says, "Fire your son. I'll be your son." You can visit him on the weekends.
50:07 Speaker 01 I know. He comes in like full in a china cabinet.
50:11 Speaker 00 And he's gonna explain to Mr. Prince just how awful his current boss is, you know, because he says, "Why are you looking for a new job?" And he's like, "Well, my current boss is cruel." Terrible. Meanwhile, Michael's kind of walking around. He wants to get a photograph of their kind of territory map over there by Mrs. Prince.
50:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
50:33 Speaker 00 And then he offers to help her granddaughter with a math problem. I have to say, when I was watching these scenes, I was just so impressed with the detail that went into this little set.
50:48 Speaker 01 I know. Well, I was emailing with Michael Gallenberg about this particular set, and he said, "Everything you see, they had to bring in."
50:55 Speaker 00 Crazy.
50:55 Speaker 01 Crazy. I loved all the details, too.
50:58 Speaker 00 Well, I noticed on that little girl's desk, did you see it? She had her own nameplate.
51:03 Speaker 01 I know.
51:03 Speaker 00 It says Rebecca.
51:04 Speaker 01 I know.
51:05 Speaker 00 And also on the desk are all of these little, like, hand-painted ceramic animals, like the kind that your granddaughter would give to you. And also, I noticed on the wall, there was one of those photo collages, love framed photos. They had clearly asked the actors to bring in some pictures. And all of those details, to me, just like really set this up as a family business. And it made the whole storyline even more heartbreaking.
51:33 Speaker 01 No, they had a whole family photo wall. I zoomed in. One is like a wedding photo. And then there's like your grandson in his baseball uniform, holding his baseball bat.
51:42 Speaker 00 Yeah.
51:42 Speaker 01 And then there was a big painting, like your kids do at preschool, where they take their hands and put it in paint, and then they make their handprints into flowers.
51:51 Speaker 00 Yes.
51:51 Speaker 01 Just like the most amazing details. I feel like this is Michael's true dream office, because it is a real family.
52:00 Speaker 00 Yes, Angela, you're so right. He wants his office to be his family.
52:06 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
52:06 Speaker 00 And this office is a family.
52:08 Speaker 01 I know. Well, that's going to weigh on his heartstrings.
52:12 Speaker 00 Well, as he wraps up his visit, he gets Mr. Prince to just hand him a list of their top clients.
52:20 Speaker 01 Oh, Mr. Prince, he's just so trusting. He's like, "Listen, if you want to see we do a good job, here's all of our references. Here's all of our clients."
52:29 Speaker 00 Well Dwight and Michael immediately start licking their lips.
52:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
52:33 Speaker 00 Time to get out of there.
52:34 Speaker 01 Time to get out of there.
52:35 Speaker 00 Dwight says, sir, can you give me a ride home? Michael's like, yeah.
52:40 Speaker 01 And then they sprint, they walk, hurry, hurry, hurry to the car. Get out, peel out, peel out, because they know they got all the info.
52:46 Speaker 00 Yes. Well, as they're trying to flee, Michael runs over like the parking curb.
52:53 Speaker 01 He runs over the bumper, that cement block.
52:57 Speaker 00 Yeah, I don't know what you call that thing.
52:57 Speaker 01 What do you call that? It's like a partition. It's like the cement block. So you don't go into the other spot.
53:02 Speaker 00 I've done it.
53:03 Speaker 01 I've done it, but I haven't backed back over it.
53:05 Speaker 00 No, of course not.
53:06 Speaker 01 Once you realize you go over it, keep going.
53:09 Speaker 00 Well, I asked Randy, how did we do this stunt?
53:14 Speaker 01 What'd he say?
53:15 Speaker 00 He said, we had two different identical cars. One that was totally normal and one that was pre-rigged with a damaged bumper. So Steve never damaged a car. And if you notice, the camera stays inside the car on Dwight and Michael. So what Steve was actually driving over were just a couple of sandbags.
53:36 Speaker 01 Well, it totally sold it.
53:38 Speaker 00 It did, and they had to add all that kind of crunching effect in editing. So yeah, fakie cement thing was actually sandbags and sound effects.
53:49 Speaker 01 The Prince family hears this commotion and they come running out. And of course, Mr. Prince, because he's so sweet, offers to fix the bumper. And they're like, no, no, no, we, well, wait, no, please let us, we'll get a tow truck. And he's like, oh no, they're too expensive. I got it. And Jenna, this scene made me think of my dad.
54:06 Speaker 00 It made me think of my dad too, because of the duct tape.
54:08 Speaker 01 My dad would fix anything with duct tape.
54:11 Speaker 00 Same.
54:12 Speaker 01 My dad did this with my first car. The handle on my glove box broke.
54:16 Speaker 00 Okay.
54:17 Speaker 01 My dad duct taped it.
54:19 Speaker 00 You know what it's making me think of?
54:20 Speaker 01 What?
54:21 Speaker 00 Josh's duct tape is zip ties.
54:24 Speaker 01 All over the house.
54:25 Speaker 00 Your husband zip ties it? Our dads would duct tape it.
54:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, my dishwasher tray has been zip tied for four years. It finally fell apart. We had to get a new dishwasher.
54:36 Speaker 00 But you can pretty much fix anything with duct tape.
54:39 Speaker 01 Pretty much. Including a whole bumper. So now they're in the car, they're gonna head back. Dwight still is celebrating. He wants to do high fives.
54:48 Speaker 00 He calls them the soccer family.
54:50 Speaker 01 I know. Dwight is that like young kid on the soccer field who doesn't know when to stop.
54:55 Speaker 00 Yeah.
54:55 Speaker 01 Like you scored the goal, now stop taunting.
54:57 Speaker 00 Yeah.
54:58 Speaker 01 All right?
54:58 Speaker 00 Exactly.
54:59 Speaker 01 Michael is having some regrets.
55:01 Speaker 00 Yeah. Dwight tries to high five Michael and Michael's like not having any of it. So back in the office, Toby is studying Hilary Swank.
55:11 Speaker 01 Pam is gonna make a speech. She's gonna appeal to the ladies of the office.
55:16 Speaker 00 Yeah. What, are we gonna let the Kevins of the world decide things for us? And then Oscar projects this picture of Hilary Swank's face with all this grid on it, right?
55:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
55:27 Speaker 00 And he talks about coinophilia.
55:30 Speaker 01 The symmetry, right, of the face?
55:33 Speaker 00 So, coinophilia is this, stay with me here, evolutionary hypothesis for explaining why certain animals seek mates that look a certain way. And it proposes that animals, including humans, find the symmetry of features most attractive. I read all about it. I barely understood it.
55:56 Speaker 01 Okay.
55:56 Speaker 00 It was very wordy. But in ancient Greece, they created something called the golden ratio of beauty, or phi. It's a mathematical equation. And it says if your face possesses a specific set of ratios of distance between the different features on your face, they believed it could be mathematically proven that you had a perfect face. This equation is what Da Vinci used when he was creating his Vertruvian man.
56:34 Speaker 01 Oh.
56:35 Speaker 00 That is what Oscar's, I think, really talking about. I think he's talking about ratios. I don't think he's really talking about coinophilia.
56:43 Speaker 01 Stanley's gonna address the group and he makes a really moving speech.
56:47 Speaker 00 Yeah.
56:47 Speaker 01 About how he's trying to be more optimistic in life. And in years past, he might have been critical, but he's not gonna be that person anymore.
56:54 Speaker 00 No. I liked this speech.
56:56 Speaker 01 I did too.
56:57 Speaker 00 You know, he's saying, why are we doing this to one another? Let's just live our lives, basically. Yeah. Andy calls for a final vote on Hillary Swank's hotness. It's another tie. We discover, like, this is what happens. People just argue their position. They don't listen.
57:18 Speaker 01 That's what Oscar says.
57:19 Speaker 00 Yeah, no one's moved.
57:20 Speaker 01 No one's moving.
57:21 Speaker 00 But Michael gets back to the office during all of this.
57:25 Speaker 01 He's clearly worked up. He goes in his office with Dwight. They shut the door. He doesn't want to go through with it.
57:32 Speaker 00 Yeah.
57:33 Speaker 01 Dwight knows that Michael is failing, so he's gonna try his best to convince Michael that what they did was right. And of course, he's going to use the one argument that will clearly point this out to Michael, which is a Lord of the Rings analogy. Dwight says, "There was a terrible war. Ugh, so many died, far too many died. But if Frodo hadn't destroyed the ring, then goodness itself might have died."
57:58 Speaker 00 I didn't understand that. I was Michael. I have questions. I wrote them down.
58:04 Speaker 01 Okay, I thought you might. Listen, I am not a Lord of the Rings expert. I don't want to get mail, guys. I just am a fan. I've seen the movies multiple times. I've read some of the books. It's a big commitment to get through them all, okay? I have not gotten through them all.
58:18 Speaker 00 Okay, well, here's my first question.
58:20 Speaker 01 Okay.
58:21 Speaker 00 Who is the Lord of the Rings?
58:22 Speaker 01 Okay.
58:23 Speaker 00 Is it Frodo?
58:24 Speaker 01 No.
58:25 Speaker 00 Is it the guy with the beard?
58:26 Speaker 01 No, it's not like a one person.
58:28 Speaker 00 What is the ring?
58:29 Speaker 01 Well, it's called the One Ring, right? The One Ring to Rule Them All.
58:33 Speaker 00 Okay. Oh, Lord. Okay. All right. Where do I even start?
58:37 Speaker 01 First of all, here's what I want to say. I know the battle that Dwight's referencing. I'm pretty sure it's the Battle of the Black Gate, right? Which is the big, major battle for the War of the Ring. They fought it right in front of the gate, and they were trying to distract the Eye of Sauron, because the Eye of Sauron tracks whoever holds the ring, and Frodo had the ring, and Frodo was trying to get to Mount Doom to drop it into the lava lake thing, right? That's the one place it can be destroyed.
59:03 Speaker 00 Why do you have to get rid of it? Why is he destroying it?
59:05 Speaker 01 Okay, because it's innately evil.
59:08 Speaker 01 I'll explain.
59:09 Speaker 00 Okay, so it's called the Lord of the Rings, but it's one ring. So it shouldn't be why it's not called Lord of the Rings.
59:16 Speaker 01 Okay, okay.
59:17 Speaker 00 I mean.
59:18 Speaker 01 There, okay, so Bilbo Baggins, right?
59:20 Speaker 00 Oh, my God.
59:21 Speaker 01 He found the ring. Gollum had been hiding it. This is a really bad overview from me. Anyway, he gave it to Frodo. And you know, Gandalf realized that Bilbo Baggins, like when he had the ring, it kind of made him a different person. So Gandalf was like, something's up with that, you know? But.
59:40 Speaker 00 So many names.
59:41 Speaker 01 There was this inscription, when you take the ring and you put it in the fire, because just fire can't kill it. Dragon fire can't kill it.
59:47 Speaker 00 Not even dragon fire?
59:48 Speaker 01 No, no, it won't melt the ring. But when you put it like in the fire, it has an inscription and it's written, I think, is it an elfish guise? Okay, don't write me.
59:57 Speaker 04 I believe so.
59:58 Speaker 01 Thank you, Sam. When it's translated, the inscription says, and I did look this up, so I got it right. "One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them, one ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them." So the ring is essentially evil in nature because it's an extension of Sauron.
1:00:16 Speaker 00 Okay.
1:00:17 Speaker 01 And Sauron's like bad. He's bad, bad. But anyway, Frodo ultimately, you know, puts it in the lava lake thing and it finally is destroyed.
1:00:28 Speaker 00 So lava is hotter than dragon fire?
1:00:30 Speaker 01 Well, no, it had to go to Mount Doom specifically.
1:00:34 Speaker 00 It's a special lava.
1:00:35 Speaker 01 Because that's where Sauron made it.
1:00:37 Speaker 00 Oh, so it had to go back to where it came from?
1:00:39 Speaker 01 Right.
1:00:40 Speaker 00 Sort of.
1:00:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:00:41 Speaker 00 It could only sort of melt into its original source material.
1:00:47 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think so. Here's a cool thing, you know.
1:00:50 Speaker 00 Can I just, before, I know we're talking about the ring. But at the end of this, are you going to tell me who the Lord of the Rings is?
1:00:57 Speaker 01 No, because it's, it's.
1:00:58 Speaker 00 It's no one?
1:00:59 Speaker 01 Lord, it's not one lord.
1:01:01 Speaker 00 Oh, my God.
1:01:01 Speaker 01 Sam?
1:01:02 Speaker 04 Okay, well, so originally, they make a bunch of rings.
1:01:05 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:01:06 Speaker 04 There's like.
1:01:06 Speaker 00 So there are several rings.
1:01:07 Speaker 04 Nine for the, like, men, some for the elves, some for the dwarves.
1:01:11 Speaker 01 Right.
1:01:11 Speaker 04 Then the one ring can rule them all. That's what makes it so dangerous.
1:01:15 Speaker 01 Right.
1:01:15 Speaker 04 And I guess, I mean, technically, the Lord of all the Rings would be Sauron, who made it.
1:01:21 Speaker 01 Well, because he made the one ring.
1:01:23 Speaker 04 Yes. If you were to get this ring, you would be the lord of all the rings.
1:01:27 Speaker 01 But it's not.
1:01:27 Speaker 04 But it will corrupt you and make you evil.
1:01:29 Speaker 01 It will corrupt you.
1:01:29 Speaker 04 And that's what happens.
1:01:30 Speaker 01 It damages people.
1:01:32 Speaker 04 Sméagol the Gollum, it'll.
1:01:33 Speaker 01 Yeah. And the humans, the humans, it makes them like.
1:01:36 Speaker 04 Yeah, it makes you insane and murderous and jealous and awful.
1:01:40 Speaker 00 I mean, that sounded good, actually, Sam. That was, you made that interesting.
1:01:44 Speaker 01 Oh, my God, I'm sitting right here.
1:01:47 Speaker 00 I mean, I was like, while I was listening to that, I was like, huh, that sounds like really Shakespearean. And sort of like, maybe I like it.
1:01:53 Speaker 01 Maybe read the books. Maybe you'd like the books better than the movies because you lose interest when things get fantastical. And you could just flip a few pages past that.
1:02:00 Speaker 00 I don't know. Well, Michael is not moved by Dwight's Lord of the Rings logic.
1:02:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, like you, he's like, nah, don't, no, okay, whatever.
1:02:12 Speaker 00 I mean, you know, he's gonna sprint out of the office with the piece of paper. He's gonna destroy it. I assumed he was gonna run to the shredder.
1:02:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:02:25 Speaker 00 No, he's runs all the way outside to his car. But shoot, he forgot his keys.
1:02:32 Speaker 01 Meanwhile, Dwight is chasing him, trying to get it from him. He gets his keys and then goes back out.
1:02:38 Speaker 00 And we know how elaborate it was to shoot that because all of those places, the stairwell, the hallway, they're all in different locations, in different buildings.
1:02:47 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
1:02:48 Speaker 00 So they would have to reset up and then make those guys run and then move and set up and make those guys run. They did such a good job of selling how tired they were because they only ever really had to run for short distances.
1:03:00 Speaker 01 Right, right.
1:03:01 Speaker 00 It was not actually all tied together.
1:03:03 Speaker 01 In the end Dwight is like, Michael, you have to do this because if, if we don't do this, someone will do this to us. It will happen.
1:03:12 Speaker 00 Yeah. Did you see the piles of fakey snow outside in the parking lot?
1:03:17 Speaker 01 I did.
1:03:17 Speaker 00 Nice touch, guys.
1:03:19 Speaker 01 Ultimately, Michael agrees to call Wallace and give him the print paper client list. And he realizes he's not a shark.
1:03:28 Speaker 00 No. It broke my heart that he gave him the list.
1:03:31 Speaker 01 I know.
1:03:32 Speaker 00 I was really rooting for Michael to destroy the list.
1:03:37 Speaker 01 There's going to be a callback to it.
1:03:38 Speaker 00 Oh.
1:03:39 Speaker 01 It's brutal.
1:03:39 Speaker 00 Brutal.
1:03:41 Speaker 01 Michael has a talking head. He shares it's a bittersweet moment. There was an alt talking head. I have to play it, guys. It's in deleted scenes. The last line of it made me spit out my iced tea as I was watching it.
1:03:53 Speaker 00 Okay.
1:03:57 Speaker 03 I've always been intrigued with the idea of ruling with an iron fist. And it is good for ruling. But you know what it's not good for? For caressing the face of a child. Or making love to a woman with your hands. Or thumb wrestling. Or hanging out in the rain. Or if you walk through a magnet store, you get covered in magnets. Oh. Well. I'm done. No more iron fisting for me.
1:04:44 Speaker 00 He is so ridiculous. How did Steve get through that?
1:04:49 Speaker 01 I don't know.
1:04:49 Speaker 00 How did he get through the line about walking through a magnet store?
1:04:52 Speaker 01 I don't know. All of it. It's so ridiculous. It made me laugh. I was like, everybody needs to hear this.
1:04:59 Speaker 00 How would they pick? How would they? All of these are so good. How do they get in the editing room? They have to pick one. Uh, we have to ask Greg about that sometime. I want to hear more about
1:05:09 Speaker 01 Their process.
1:05:10 Speaker 00 Pick things. I mean, I know they would bring us in sometimes and ask our opinion, but it feels like every episode, they were having to make these decisions.
1:05:17 Speaker 01 Well, Michael ends up ultimately being the tiebreaker. So we do have a winner.
1:05:21 Speaker 00 Yes, he very casually says, she's hot.
1:05:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:05:24 Speaker 00 And then our team wins.
1:05:26 Speaker 01 Our team won. And we had a lot of tangents in this, guys.
1:05:30 Speaker 00 We did. We hope you enjoyed it.
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