Pod Insights Off Menu with Ed Gamble and James Acaster John Early About this episode It’s the last episode of series 15, and who better to round off the series than US comedy superstar and actor – star of ‘Search Party’, ‘30 Rock’ and new film ‘Eternity’ – John Early. See you soon for some Christmas specials…
John Early stars in ‘Eternity’ which is in UK cinemas on 5 December.
Follow John on Instagram @bejohnce https://www.instagram.com/bejohnce
Watch the video version of this episode on the Off Menu YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@offmenupodcast on Thu 27 Nov
Off Menu is now on YouTube: @offmenupodcast https://www.youtube.com/@offmenupodcast
Follow Off Menu on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/offmenuofficial and TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@offmenuofficial: @offmenuofficial.
And go to our website www.offmenupodcast.co.uk https://www.offmenupodcast.co.uk/ for a list of restaurants recommended on the show.
Off Menu is a comedy podcast hosted by Ed Gamble and James Acaster.
Produced, recorded and edited by Ben Williams for Plosive https://www.plosive.co.uk/.
Video production by Megan McCarthy for Plosive https://www.plosive.co.uk/, and Felipe Franco.
Artwork by Paul Gilbey https://www.instagram.com/pushgilbey/ (photography and design).
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.
Transcript 17,417 words · 6 speakers
0:00 Speaker 00 I've got big news. I switched to Verizon and got the new iPhone 18 Pro. Shh. I can keep my old phone and I also get the latest iPhone every year. Shh. Anything else? Verizon let me choose Apple Watch Series 12 or iPad on them.
0:13 Speaker 01 Everybody, listen up.
0:14 Speaker 00 Shh. Switch to Verizon and get the new iPhone 18 Pro now. No trade in needed and the latest iPhone every year with Simplicity Plan. Plus, choose Apple Watch Series 12 or iPad on us. Simplicity Plan with Simplicity Pro required. Plan and device payment purchase are separate agreements with separate terms. Service plan for watch or iPad required. Additional terms apply for all offers.
0:45 Speaker 02 Welcome to the Off Menu Podcast, taking the raw tuna of conversation, adding the citrus juice of friendship. Little cubes of grapefruit of humour and slices of fresh chilli of chatting about food. It's a ceviche, James.
1:06 Speaker 03 That's delicious. That sounded really nice.
1:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, I had a ceviche the other day. That's why I did it today.
1:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, really delicious food. That's good.
1:12 Speaker 02 I love ceviche, man.
1:13 Speaker 03 Yeah, I want to eat that straight away.
1:14 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's what I want. I want to make people listen to this and think, I want to eat this podcast.
1:20 Speaker 03 Yeah. That's a gamble. My name is James Acaster. Together we own a dream restaurant and every single week we invite a guest, ask them their favourite ever started main course, dessert, cider champagne drink, not in that order. And this week, our guest is John Early.
1:32 Speaker 02 John Early, a wonderful comedian and actor, James.
1:36 Speaker 03 So funny. We're both big fans of John Early, so we're going to have to really rein that in.
1:41 Speaker 02 Hmm.
1:41 Speaker 03 Here.
1:42 Speaker 02 I don't think we should rein it in.
1:43 Speaker 03 Fanboys.
1:44 Speaker 02 No, no. Well, you never rein it in if you're a fanboy of someone.
1:46 Speaker 03 No, I can't. I can't. It's nice to be able to just let loose.
1:50 Speaker 02 Because you're like a repository of information when it comes to things people have done and things that you remember that they've done, and especially if you're a fanboy of them. Whereas I just know that I like someone, but I've forgotten why.
2:02 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
2:02 Speaker 02 Is always how it works.
2:04 Speaker 03 And yeah, that is how I feel with our relationship.
2:07 Speaker 02 Yes.
2:07 Speaker 03 I feel you know you've liked, but you've forgotten why.
2:10 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. John is in Search Party, though. I remember that. And I like Search Party a lot.
2:15 Speaker 03 Which is fantastic.
2:15 Speaker 02 Yes.
2:16 Speaker 03 And John is in Eternity.
2:18 Speaker 02 Yes.
2:18 Speaker 03 It's a new film and Elizabeth Follson's in it, Miles Teller's in it, Callum Turner's in it.
2:23 Speaker 02 I mean, it sounds great, James.
2:24 Speaker 03 Eight twenty four.
2:25 Speaker 02 It's eight twenty four.
2:26 Speaker 03 Eight twenty four rom com, not too shabby.
2:28 Speaker 02 Not too shabby at all.
2:30 Speaker 03 Pretty exciting.
2:31 Speaker 02 It's set in an afterlife where souls have one week to decide where to spend eternity.
2:35 Speaker 03 Where would you, where would you spend, oh, we know where you would, hell.
2:38 Speaker 02 Hell, I love hell.
2:39 Speaker 03 Cause the devil's got the best tunes.
2:41 Speaker 02 Devil's got the best tunes, baby, and the best food, I reckon.
2:44 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, probably.
2:45 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
2:46 Speaker 03 Uh, Devil's on Horseback?
2:47 Speaker 02 Devil's on Horseback.
2:48 Speaker 03 You like those?
2:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:50 Speaker 03 You're not, you're not getting them in heaven?
2:51 Speaker 02 No, it'd be spicy, everything in hell would be spicy, right?
2:54 Speaker 03 Everything would be spicy, very bland in heaven, I'd imagine.
2:57 Speaker 02 Mmm.
2:57 Speaker 03 Well, there may be some sweets.
2:59 Speaker 02 Well, ambrosia, it'd be all ambrosia stuff.
3:01 Speaker 03 Oh, it'd send me to heaven, man.
3:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, you'd love that.
3:03 Speaker 03 Then I'm, I'm repenting right now.
3:04 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
3:05 Speaker 03 Get me up there. Um, we love John Early, but if John says the secret ingredient, which we have deemed to be unacceptable, we will have to kick John out of the restaurant.
3:13 Speaker 02 We don't wanna do that, but.
3:14 Speaker 03 We don't wanna do it.
3:15 Speaker 02 But we'll stick to the rules.
3:16 Speaker 03 And this week, the secret ingredient is oat milk.
3:19 Speaker 02 Oat milk, apparently John was in a short film called Oat Milk, which I have not seen.
3:23 Speaker 03 Yeah, we're not across the short film Oat Milk, but, um, a quick Google.
3:27 Speaker 02 Yeah.
3:28 Speaker 03 Revealed that John was in this short film called Oat Milk.
3:30 Speaker 02 Which was very helpful. Thank you for being in that, John, cause.
3:32 Speaker 03 Thank you, John.
3:33 Speaker 02 Came up with the secret ingredient very quickly.
3:35 Speaker 03 And that means we can, uh, I mean, I, I, I can't, I, I personally couldn't believe we hadn't added this as a secret ingredient before.
3:41 Speaker 02 But we like oat milk.
3:42 Speaker 03 We do like oat milk, but then we've had things that just like people in general don't like.
3:46 Speaker 02 Yeah.
3:47 Speaker 03 I guess we, you know, for whatever reason, we have, I'll tell you who wouldn't like oat milk.
3:51 Speaker 02 Go on.
3:51 Speaker 03 Edwin Coffey.
3:52 Speaker 02 Edwin Coffey does not like.
3:54 Speaker 04 They're fucking milks, all these fucking milks these days.
3:58 Speaker 03 He's back.
4:00 Speaker 04 You ever tried milking it, though?
4:03 Speaker 03 He would say.
4:03 Speaker 04 Oats got no tits.
4:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, that's what I was hoping for.
4:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
4:07 Speaker 03 That's what I was hoping for, oats got no tits.
4:09 Speaker 04 Oats got no tits, flat chested, fucking old, flat chested.
4:14 Speaker 02 But the. But.
4:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, he likes the ice.
4:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah. They don't got that butankadunk.
4:21 Speaker 03 Love it. Edwin Coffey's basically, Edwin Coffey's got to have his own spin off pod.
4:26 Speaker 02 Yeah.
4:27 Speaker 03 That's what I'm gonna, I'll start a petition for that.
4:29 Speaker 02 Yeah.
4:30 Speaker 03 I would, I would listen every week.
4:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's called Flicking the Bean.
4:32 Speaker 03 Oh, brilliant. Absolutely brilliant with Edwin Coffey.
4:37 Speaker 02 We will, if we did a Patreon, we would release one episode a month of Flicking the Bean with Edwin Coffey.
4:43 Speaker 03 Here's the thing that I don't think you realise, the Patreon would just like, whatever limit you put, it would, so many people.
4:52 Speaker 02 No, they wouldn't.
4:53 Speaker 03 Would wanna see that Edwin Coffey episode. You have no idea. If you did it as a, like, people could pay and you would make an episode.
5:00 Speaker 02 Yeah.
5:01 Speaker 03 Like, within five minutes, no, less than five minutes, you would have met your goal and gone through the roof and have to do like so many episodes of the Edwin Coffey episode.
5:09 Speaker 02 Can we say that you can buy sunglasses that are in the shape of coffee beans?
5:13 Speaker 03 Of course you can.
5:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
5:14 Speaker 03 Man, must be able to. I loved when we did it live, when you had the chain with the coffee cup on it, it was a big, like, medallion you were wearing. It's, you have no idea how huge that podcast would be.
5:26 Speaker 03 Among our fans.
5:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
5:28 Speaker 03 Among the fans of this podcast.
5:29 Speaker 02 No guests, because he's one of those American comics who just does, he's no guests on the pod, I don't think, because he's one of those American comics.
5:35 Speaker 03 Doesn't need one, he's like Bill Burr.
5:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
5:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, he'd just sit around and just do his own, anyway, we should get into this.
5:41 Speaker 02 Sorry, yeah, sorry, John Early's great, yeah.
5:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:45 Speaker 02 It's the last step of the series, James, and it's gonna be on YouTube, James.
5:48 Speaker 03 It will be on YouTube.
5:49 Speaker 02 Listen, watch, do both, that would be lovely.
5:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:53 Speaker 02 Benito's pet project is the YouTube channel, so it's his YouTube channel.
5:56 Speaker 03 His YouTube channel.
5:57 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's the same YouTube account that he used to do all his unboxing videos on.
6:02 Speaker 03 Oh, I'd love to see a Benito unboxing video.
6:04 Speaker 02 When he was seven, he started a YouTube video.
6:06 Speaker 03 With magic kits.
6:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
6:08 Speaker 03 Unboxing magic kits.
6:09 Speaker 02 And this is the Paul Daniels coin disappearing trick. I'm really looking forward to doing this. I'm the great Benito. Let's hope I can make a coin disappear. And I've wanted to make quite a few coins disappear by buying it. And that'll be on the Patreon as well.
6:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
6:26 Speaker 02 So go and check out.
6:26 Speaker 03 Benito's unboxing videos when he was a little boy.
6:31 Speaker 02 I'm the great Unboxito.
6:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, exactly.
6:34 Speaker 02 This is the off-menu menu of John Early.
6:44 Speaker 02 Welcome to the Dream Restaurant, John.
6:47 Speaker 05 Don't you have to clap in front of the camera?
6:50 Speaker 03 Welcome, John Early, to the Dream Restaurant, but he's been here for some time.
6:54 Speaker 02 Ben just did his clap and...
6:56 Speaker 05 Behind the camera.
6:58 Speaker 02 I've asked, I've asked this to Ben before, doesn't he need to clap in front of the camera to sync the sound with the picture? But he insists he can just clap from behind the camera. I don't know whether, I think it's just a personal thing he likes to do, so he's like, we've started the podcast.
7:10 Speaker 03 Yeah. And he always says, I'm just gonna do my clap. And then he kind of looks at the guest like they know that's his catchphrase, even though it obviously isn't on the podcast.
7:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
7:20 Speaker 03 So, you know, the guest wouldn't know, but we know.
7:23 Speaker 02 Yes.
7:23 Speaker 03 So to us, we are like, that's his pop, that's his catchphrase.
7:25 Speaker 02 His podcast catchphrase.
7:26 Speaker 03 That's his podcast catchphrase. We've all got a podcast catchphrase.
7:29 Speaker 02 Yes.
7:29 Speaker 05 We can, what are yours?
7:31 Speaker 03 Mine is that, uh, or pop, poppums of bread, I do, and I do, uh...
7:37 Speaker 02 That, that'll be later on, but that's a surprise, John.
7:39 Speaker 03 That's a surprise.
7:40 Speaker 05 Okay, okay.
7:41 Speaker 03 And, uh, and welcome to the Dream Restaurant, but he's been here for some time, like I said a minute ago.
7:45 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
7:45 Speaker 03 That's it, really.
7:46 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'm more freewheeling, I don't really have catchphrases.
7:49 Speaker 03 You have, you got a whole from the beginning that you do in the intro.
7:51 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, but that's not, that's not relevant for the guests.
7:53 Speaker 05 You record that later?
7:54 Speaker 02 We'll record that later, yeah.
7:55 Speaker 05 How long is the intro?
7:56 Speaker 03 About an hour. Usually.
7:59 Speaker 05 Yeah.
8:00 Speaker 02 We do about 90 minutes of ads.
8:02 Speaker 05 Okay, okay.
8:03 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah, for like...
8:04 Speaker 05 So if y'all need me to read any ads, let me know.
8:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, sure.
8:07 Speaker 03 That would be great, because we don't like that, that bit.
8:08 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
8:09 Speaker 03 Even though that's the bit that actually we make money for, of course.
8:12 Speaker 02 We're sort of the Rogan of the UK, so we do like a lot of ads for grills and erectile dysfunction medicine and things like that. Shooting deer. Shooting deer, yeah, yeah, yeah, dead deer, we do ads for dead deer.
8:22 Speaker 03 And we do adverts for the Joe Rogan podcast.
8:25 Speaker 02 He doesn't ask us to do that.
8:27 Speaker 03 No, no, just we do that for the love.
8:28 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:29 Speaker 03 We pay, we pay to do that. What we would like to advertise really more than anything, though, is the film Eternity, which we would like...
8:35 Speaker 02 You don't want to advertise that?
8:36 Speaker 05 I'm not, that's not what I'm here for.
8:38 Speaker 03 Oh, okay, well. But would, would you like to advertise one of your other projects from the past?
8:43 Speaker 05 Um, yes.
8:45 Speaker 03 Yeah. Is there some, is there, is there something, the genuine question? You wish people, like, uh, more people knew about that you, that you've done in the past, that you would love them to discover? As well as the film Eternity, which we are going to talk about.
9:02 Speaker 05 Um, I think, I mean, there's something so obvious, it's not coming to mind. It's got, it will, it would be some, well.
9:12 Speaker 02 We've really thrown you early doors.
9:13 Speaker 05 You really have. I mean, I, I think probably, I made, I made this thing with Kate Burland called Five Five Five in like the eighties.
9:20 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
9:21 Speaker 05 It's, it, you know, it was on like a, it was behind a paywall on, you know, it was the first time they were like, we're gonna make original content.
9:28 Speaker 02 Uh huh.
9:29 Speaker 05 And it was last time. We tanked the operation.
9:33 Speaker 02 Nice.
9:34 Speaker 05 And so, yeah, so no one's seen it.
9:36 Speaker 02 Are you pretty proud of that though? You brought down a whole, a whole set.
9:41 Speaker 05 Yeah.
9:42 Speaker 03 The two of you are very funny and very important people.
9:44 Speaker 05 Oh, thank you.
9:46 Speaker 03 As the zombies.
9:47 Speaker 05 Yeah.
9:48 Speaker 03 That was good. If, if people haven't seen that, I, I don't, I'm not gonna just describe it. They should just go and watch that as well.
9:54 Speaker 05 Yeah.
9:54 Speaker 03 Anything the two of you do together, let's just promote that.
9:56 Speaker 05 Thanks.
9:57 Speaker 03 Also, the film, the film Mother People, Jordan, let's promote that. I love that film.
10:01 Speaker 05 No way. Oh my god.
10:02 Speaker 03 You still in touch with the little kid?
10:04 Speaker 05 Um, no.
10:05 Speaker 03 That little kid was funny, man.
10:08 Speaker 05 He was good. I was, I really felt in love with Jesse Plemons.
10:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:13 Speaker 05 Doing that movie. I, that was the first time I ever felt like the kind of transference.
10:18 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:18 Speaker 05 In the psychoanalysis sense.
10:21 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, yeah.
10:21 Speaker 05 Where we were like playing best friends.
10:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:24 Speaker 05 And then I was like, we left and I was like, he's my best friend. It took like a month to like shed that.
10:31 Speaker 02 Do you, he was feeding that as well? No.
10:33 Speaker 05 No.
10:33 Speaker 02 He wasn't trying to get.
10:34 Speaker 05 He was so sweet, but I don't think he was, I was like, he had done like four hundred movies at that point, so he was used to whatever that is.
10:41 Speaker 03 Yeah. Yeah. Do you, do you find yourself watching him now and stuff and being like, why is that person his best friend?
10:48 Speaker 05 Literally, yes. Yeah, I'm jealous.
10:50 Speaker 03 I should have kidnapped him a stone with him if he'd asked me.
10:54 Speaker 02 Is that when you cut your hair? You shaved your hair off because you were like, I wanna be in Begonias?
10:57 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:59 Speaker 02 Jesse. From before.
11:03 Speaker 03 Eternity looks fantastic, though.
11:05 Speaker 05 Thank you.
11:05 Speaker 03 We are gonna make you talk about it.
11:06 Speaker 05 Yes, okay.
11:08 Speaker 03 I love the premise of it.
11:09 Speaker 05 Yeah.
11:09 Speaker 03 So, someone dies.
11:11 Speaker 05 Yes, I'm gay.
11:14 Speaker 03 What? In the film?
11:15 Speaker 05 Yes.
11:15 Speaker 02 That's the premise?
11:16 Speaker 05 Yes.
11:17 Speaker 02 We've got the PR stuff.
11:18 Speaker 05 First to be both in the, I'm gay in the film and in real life.
11:21 Speaker 03 That never happens.
11:22 Speaker 05 And that's, that's never happened.
11:24 Speaker 03 That's never happened. I mean, in other people.
11:26 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah. Okay.
11:28 Speaker 03 But.
11:28 Speaker 05 It has happened.
11:28 Speaker 03 There were other people, I mean, Jesse Plemons and Zach Woods, to my knowledge and knowledge.
11:33 Speaker 05 Also put, oh, no, you're right.
11:34 Speaker 03 And play a couple, and play a very, I, I'd say, Joe, I'm not gonna keep on talking about other people. What do I keep on talking about that film? But a very convincing couple.
11:42 Speaker 05 I, I agree.
11:42 Speaker 03 I really believe they're in love in that film.
11:44 Speaker 05 Yes, I agree. Good actors.
11:46 Speaker 02 Yeah, James is amazed by acting is something you need to know, so.
11:49 Speaker 03 It's nuts, though.
11:50 Speaker 02 They're not a couple, but I believe that they were a couple.
11:53 Speaker 03 But it's nuts. Like.
11:56 Speaker 05 It is crazy.
11:57 Speaker 03 Most films that I'm watching, there's a couple in it.
11:59 Speaker 05 Yeah.
11:59 Speaker 03 I, I don't believe they're really in love with each other.
12:01 Speaker 05 I know.
12:03 Speaker 03 Those two in that film, I was like, they're in love with each other.
12:06 Speaker 05 Yeah.
12:06 Speaker 03 Fully. They're gonna be together forever.
12:08 Speaker 05 Wait, can I say something about other people?
12:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
12:10 Speaker 05 I had to say the title of the movie in the movie, which is the
12:15 Speaker 03 That's huge.
12:16 Speaker 05 hardest thing you can do as an actor.
12:18 Speaker 03 Yeah.
12:19 Speaker 05 Because you like, there's no way you're not aware, like, so I had to say, maybe now you're other people to other people. And it's like, you're like, you're saying it and you're like, this is going in the trailer.
12:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
12:30 Speaker 05 And it's like absolutely impossible to not be like.
12:36 Speaker 05 It was so hard.
12:37 Speaker 02 There should be a rule where if the actor has to say the name of the movie in the movie, they get to look right down the camera.
12:43 Speaker 05 Yeah, that would have helped me.
12:45 Speaker 02 Yeah.
12:45 Speaker 05 But I was just like trying to play it so cool. I was like.
12:50 Speaker 05 It was, it was bad. It was bad.
12:52 Speaker 03 Imagine if that had just been the working title as well, and they changed it, and then you were like, oh no. Everyone's gonna wonder why I say that line weird.
12:58 Speaker 05 Yeah.
12:59 Speaker 03 What did John really freak out? How many says the other people?
13:01 Speaker 05 I know.
13:02 Speaker 02 The first time I remember seeing that happen in a movie was the film Executive Decision. Do you remember that film?
13:07 Speaker 05 No, what is that?
13:08 Speaker 02 Is Steven Seagal, I believe, and they have to, there's terrorists on a plane and they have to fly a, a jet underneath the plane and make like a tunnel so they can get into the plane. And that is the executive decision they have to make.
13:21 Speaker 05 That's amazing.
13:22 Speaker 02 They said, we need to make an executive decision. I was like, that's the title of the film!
13:26 Speaker 05 How did they make the tunnel? Was it?
13:28 Speaker 02 I can't really remember, but it ha- they pulled it off.
13:31 Speaker 05 Yeah.
13:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, they, yeah, it went well. The executive decision was the correct decision.
13:35 Speaker 03 Jurassic Park, I remember them saying it.
13:38 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
13:39 Speaker 03 Say the name of the film.
13:40 Speaker 05 Yeah. Where are we?
13:42 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah. They say it a lot.
13:44 Speaker 05 Yeah.
13:45 Speaker 02 We still not talked about eternity.
13:46 Speaker 05 Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay, eternity.
13:49 Speaker 03 Elizabeth Olsen.
13:49 Speaker 05 Elizabeth Olsen.
13:50 Speaker 03 Goes to the afterlife.
13:51 Speaker 05 Goes to the afterlife, choosing between Callum Turner and Miles Teller.
13:55 Speaker 03 This is a life partner and someone that was her first love who.
13:59 Speaker 05 Died in the Green War. And that's not a spoiler.
14:04 Speaker 05 And I play a little angel with a clipboard.
14:06 Speaker 03 Amazing.
14:06 Speaker 05 I wasn't, you know, I, I wasn't called an angel. No one was like, you're playing an angel, but technically it's the afterlife. I'm up there.
14:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
14:15 Speaker 05 I'm an angel.
14:18 Speaker 05 But yeah, I, I have a little clipboard and I'm helping people go to their eternities. I don't think I'm good at promoting this movie.
14:25 Speaker 03 I'm good. I love, I love this. I love this movie.
14:29 Speaker 05 High premise.
14:30 Speaker 03 Yeah.
14:31 Speaker 05 You know, like, kind of has like a, like, um, they don't make them like that anymore. You know, like this anymore. Kind of like a Peggy Sue Got Married, defending your life, kind of high concept rom com.
14:43 Speaker 03 Yeah. If, uh, if Ed and I and Benito turned up in heaven and you were the little angel with the clipboard, where would you send us?
14:49 Speaker 05 Well, that's the thing you have to choose. I'm there to help you choose. I'm sorry. So, yeah. It's very, I mean, it's very similar to this podcast, which gets us right to our next topic.
15:02 Speaker 02 We'll put an ad in there.
15:03 Speaker 05 Yeah.
15:04 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:07 Speaker 03 We always start with still or sparkling water, John. Do you have a preference?
15:10 Speaker 05 Sparkling.
15:11 Speaker 03 Sparkling water.
15:13 Speaker 05 Yeah.
15:13 Speaker 03 Why?
15:14 Speaker 02 Yeah, your eyes really lit up there when you said sparkling.
15:16 Speaker 05 They're sparkling this far.
15:19 Speaker 05 Um, I think that actually it is a stupid choice because it would make me full. Do people always say that?
15:26 Speaker 03 So, no, not always, but people have said it.
15:28 Speaker 05 Okay, okay.
15:29 Speaker 03 So you can join an elite group.
15:31 Speaker 05 Okay.
15:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
15:32 Speaker 05 But it's so refreshing and exciting.
15:35 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
15:35 Speaker 05 I, I, I, I'm still, I'm, you know, twenty two and I still get excited about sparkling water.
15:42 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:42 Speaker 05 I do think it's special, like it, it really is exciting.
15:46 Speaker 02 That's why it blows my mind when people have it at home all the time.
15:49 Speaker 05 I know, I know.
15:49 Speaker 02 I'll go to a restaurant and be like, oh, sparkling, please. It's a nice way to kick off the meal. But there's people getting up in the morning and drinking it.
15:55 Speaker 05 Well, that's crazy and it's, that's new, don't you think? Don't you think sparkling water is like, it's been around forever, but don't you think it's like, do you have La Croix here?
16:05 Speaker 02 We don't, but we're aware of it.
16:06 Speaker 03 We're aware of it.
16:07 Speaker 05 It's just a popular, I'm gonna look right down the barrel for you.
16:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:11 Speaker 05 When I, for these moments, when I'm addressing, okay? So it's a popular, uh, kind of cheap brand of sparkling water. And we're back.
16:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
16:21 Speaker 02 And it's like flavored, flavored seltzer, right?
16:23 Speaker 05 Yes, yes.
16:24 Speaker 02 But everyone drinks it all the time.
16:25 Speaker 05 Everyone drinks it and it just suddenly, it was like, I don't know, just everyone started having sparkling water in their homes.
16:31 Speaker 03 Hmm.
16:31 Speaker 05 But how do they do it? How do they get the bubbles in there? Literally.
16:36 Speaker 03 What be, what, what's your best guess?
16:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
16:40 Speaker 05 I, I don't know. I can't even guess. They put a tube in the water.
16:46 Speaker 02 And is there someone on the other end of the tube?
16:48 Speaker 05 I guess.
16:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
16:49 Speaker 05 It's human.
16:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
16:51 Speaker 02 It's human bubbles.
16:52 Speaker 03 Blow them in. Yeah, who would you want that to be? If it would be anyone in the world to blow the bubbles into your sparkling water for your dream mate?
17:03 Speaker 05 Who's still alive, sir?
17:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's nice.
17:07 Speaker 02 I guess you could have a choice, right? They, they, they could sell different brands for different people who've done the bubbles.
17:12 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
17:13 Speaker 05 Yeah, that's beautiful.
17:14 Speaker 02 Yeah, like the cheaper ones could just be something like old guy and he's on the can.
17:18 Speaker 05 Yeah.
17:18 Speaker 03 An old guy on the can?
17:20 Speaker 02 An old guy, he's on the can.
17:21 Speaker 05 On the can.
17:21 Speaker 02 They're on the can.
17:22 Speaker 05 Not the can, like the toilet.
17:23 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, that's what I thought you were saying.
17:25 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
17:26 Speaker 03 I thought an old man on the toilet.
17:28 Speaker 02 That's the really cheap version.
17:29 Speaker 03 If we, if we weren't talking to an American guest.
17:31 Speaker 02 Yeah.
17:32 Speaker 03 I would think.
17:33 Speaker 02 I, I meant on the can.
17:34 Speaker 03 Ed said on the can of a drink.
17:35 Speaker 05 Oh, you guys don't say on the can like toilet.
17:37 Speaker 03 We don't know, but I thought, oh, Ed is like adapting to your lingo.
17:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
17:41 Speaker 03 Yeah. And he wants to put an old man on the toilet, blowing bubbles into his drink.
17:45 Speaker 02 Well, maybe it's called, the water's called on the can. And on the can is a picture of an old man on the can. And he, he blows, he's blowing the bubbles in.
17:53 Speaker 03 With his mouth.
17:53 Speaker 02 With his mouth, crucially.
17:55 Speaker 03 Not old man's butt.
17:59 Speaker 05 Whoa.
17:59 Speaker 02 Did you hear that? Yeah, was that you?
18:01 Speaker 05 Did you, did you hear that?
18:03 Speaker 02 I honestly thought that was a motorbike outside.
18:05 Speaker 03 I'm also like, this morning, I don't know if I've got, I've either got, this is, it's either trapped wind or my appendix have burst, because my stomach is, is fucked.
18:17 Speaker 05 I think you would be in extreme pain if your appendix.
18:20 Speaker 03 I'm tough though, I'm pretty tough.
18:21 Speaker 02 Hmm.
18:22 Speaker 05 Yeah.
18:22 Speaker 02 You're a tough guy.
18:23 Speaker 03 Pretty tough guy.
18:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
18:25 Speaker 03 So we'll see by the end of the podcast which, which it is.
18:27 Speaker 02 Yes.
18:28 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah, we'll know.
18:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, we'll know.
18:30 Speaker 05 For sure.
18:30 Speaker 02 What a clip we're gonna get out of that if this appendix is first.
18:33 Speaker 05 Yeah, and I could announce it. You tell me and then I announce it.
18:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
18:39 Speaker 05 But that, it does feel related to our.
18:41 Speaker 03 Yeah.
18:42 Speaker 05 The bubbles.
18:42 Speaker 03 The bubbles. Like, so that got bubbles in it.
18:44 Speaker 05 I'm still choosing it.
18:45 Speaker 02 Yeah.
18:45 Speaker 05 Bubbles, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
18:47 Speaker 03 You're still choosing.
18:48 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
18:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, so you're still going.
18:49 Speaker 05 Despite the fact that it would make me full.
18:51 Speaker 02 Do you want like a flavoured, a flavoured sparkling water?
18:54 Speaker 05 No.
18:54 Speaker 02 No, just, just the plain?
18:56 Speaker 05 Just the plain.
18:57 Speaker 02 And we've talked about it before, but the flavour's never enough for me in those waters.
19:00 Speaker 05 No.
19:00 Speaker 02 It's always the memory of a fruit, it's not.
19:03 Speaker 05 And it always, it like, no matter how real, it tastes fake.
19:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
19:07 Speaker 05 Don't you think?
19:08 Speaker 02 Yeah.
19:08 Speaker 05 Because I'm like, well, where is it?
19:10 Speaker 02 Yeah.
19:10 Speaker 05 Like, it's clear.
19:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
19:12 Speaker 05 So I'm like, that's fake. Any flavour I'm getting has to be artificial if I'm not seeing any evidence of it in the water.
19:19 Speaker 02 Like bits, you want bits.
19:20 Speaker 05 Yeah.
19:21 Speaker 02 Yeah. Have you seen those like cans of like lemon, like seltzer you can get in Japan where you open the can up fully at the top, you like peel the lid off and there is a whole slice of lemon.
19:32 Speaker 05 No, that's genius.
19:33 Speaker 02 That's pretty cool, right?
19:34 Speaker 05 That's so cool.
19:35 Speaker 03 Sometimes Ed makes stuff up to the guests and it's not. I believe. We're trying to stop him from doing it.
19:42 Speaker 02 I've not made that up. Because they're like lemon sours, they're like booze drinks. You open up the top and there's like an actual slice of lemon in there.
19:47 Speaker 05 Wow.
19:48 Speaker 03 It's booze?
19:48 Speaker 02 It's booze, baby.
19:50 Speaker 05 Do you, are they preserving the lemon or is it a fresh slice?
19:53 Speaker 02 It's like a fresh slice of lemon, so I don't know how it's hanging out in there for so long.
19:57 Speaker 05 That's crazy.
19:58 Speaker 02 It's pretty cool.
20:00 Speaker 03 How's it even getting in there?
20:02 Speaker 02 Well, they put it in there, man. It's not growing.
20:04 Speaker 03 How do they get it in there?
20:05 Speaker 02 What do you mean?
20:06 Speaker 03 How big is the?
20:08 Speaker 02 Can, it's like the same size as a can. If you think about a can.
20:10 Speaker 03 A wedge of lemon is bigger than the hole in the top of a can.
20:13 Speaker 05 No, no, wait, you're, this is, it's not a wedge.
20:15 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's not a wedge.
20:16 Speaker 05 It's a, it's a slice. It's a cross section.
20:18 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's a slice and then the can is not a hot, there's not a hole in the can. You literally take the hole, you peel the whole lid off like it's a can of tuna.
20:25 Speaker 03 And then why don't they put a wedge in there if it's like a can of tuna?
20:28 Speaker 02 I don't know, man. You've got to take this up, but as I regularly say to you, you've got to take this up with the Japanese.
20:33 Speaker 03 As always, they're sick of hearing from me every single week.
20:37 Speaker 02 Yeah.
20:38 Speaker 03 Pop it on some bread, pop it on some bread, John Early, pop it on some bread.
20:41 Speaker 02 And there's the catchphrase.
20:42 Speaker 05 That's the.
20:43 Speaker 02 Pop it on some bread.
20:44 Speaker 05 The, the Indian kind of cracker.
20:46 Speaker 02 Yes.
20:47 Speaker 05 Has this come out loud and clearly, but is it someone disagreed with you at one point in your, in your early childhood? Okay, okay.
20:56 Speaker 03 This is a question that I thought was just normal when we started the podcast and then you, you know, in comedy, you kind of end up learning the hard way that you're weird. So you don't know going in, you're just like, oh, this will be a pretty normal thing.
21:09 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah. No, I think I'm like a totally mainstream, like for the masses.
21:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
21:15 Speaker 05 Comedian and then everyone describes me as weird.
21:18 Speaker 02 Yeah.
21:18 Speaker 05 Yeah.
21:18 Speaker 02 Can I say it's worse the other way around? When you start doing comedy and find out you're really normal.
21:27 Speaker 05 That's really.
21:27 Speaker 03 Sorry, Matt.
21:28 Speaker 02 That's alright.
21:28 Speaker 05 Yeah.
21:29 Speaker 02 You know, that's why this works.
21:30 Speaker 05 Yeah.
21:32 Speaker 03 He's not really normal as a person.
21:34 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
21:35 Speaker 03 A lot of demons.
21:37 Speaker 02 If anyone's listening, James just physically tapped me on the head when he gestured to my demons.
21:42 Speaker 05 Do you have pure audio listeners?
21:44 Speaker 02 We do. I think a lot of pure audio listeners.
21:46 Speaker 05 That warms my heart.
21:46 Speaker 02 Yeah.
21:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:47 Speaker 02 We have done for a long time. So this, I mean, really, this is the new thing for us.
21:50 Speaker 05 Right, right.
21:51 Speaker 03 Fucking, we hate.
21:54 Speaker 03 It's awful.
21:55 Speaker 05 Did you used to be less put together?
21:58 Speaker 02 Um, yeah, I'd say so.
21:59 Speaker 03 This is nuts, one moment.
22:00 Speaker 02 Yeah, James is wearing a jacket and.
22:02 Speaker 03 This is batshit.
22:03 Speaker 02 Yeah.
22:04 Speaker 03 I don't know why, well, I do know why I've done it. I've been really getting into this jacket lately.
22:07 Speaker 05 I love it.
22:08 Speaker 03 But also in the morning, I just, you know, this is, Chris is quite early this record. Oh, and, uh, and, and, and when I got up, I was like, oh, haven't even thought about what I'm gonna wear for the podcast. So I grabbed this, ironed it, and then.
22:22 Speaker 02 You ironed this morning?
22:24 Speaker 03 I ironed this, because it was, it was absolutely, it was like.
22:27 Speaker 05 It was a ball.
22:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was mad. Had to iron it, looked in the mirror, go, this isn't enough. Also, it's freezing outside.
22:33 Speaker 05 Yeah.
22:34 Speaker 02 Hmm.
22:34 Speaker 03 I'm overthinking it all, and I've got like, you know, five minutes to get out the door. So I chucked this on, and then I realized that if this top button's, uh, undone, it looks like absolute horse shit. So I had to quickly do that up. And then I'm like, leaving the house going, who is this? I'm like, he's gonna.
22:49 Speaker 05 Yeah.
22:49 Speaker 03 Ed's gonna comment on it. I know Ed's gonna comment on it.
22:51 Speaker 02 What did I say? I did comment. What did I say?
22:53 Speaker 03 Neat boy?
22:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, very nice. I think he looks very nice.
22:55 Speaker 05 I agree.
22:56 Speaker 02 Very smart.
22:57 Speaker 05 Yeah.
22:57 Speaker 02 And he's dressed up for you. And also, I feel like you could host a like major panel to like launch a new product.
23:03 Speaker 05 Whoa.
23:04 Speaker 03 A good product for people? Not like something that is contributing to all the bad stuff in the world.
23:08 Speaker 02 No, no, no. I feel like a can with a wedge of lemon in it. You could be like the guy.
23:13 Speaker 03 The wedge guy. Yeah, forget the slice.
23:16 Speaker 02 Yeah.
23:16 Speaker 05 Yeah.
23:16 Speaker 03 Wedge guy.
23:17 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
23:17 Speaker 02 Sorry, James made a early joke about, about your name.
23:20 Speaker 05 That's okay.
23:21 Speaker 03 I couldn't help it. I know you've had it your whole life, and we're really sorry.
23:25 Speaker 05 But I don't care. It's never really, it's more that people like this is happening right now. They then, they give me the opportunity to be annoyed, or they're like, I know, I'm sorry. And sometimes I'll take advantage of that and go, yeah. And they'll be like, have you gotten that on your whole life? I'm like, yeah. But I'm like, I don't care about what I'm saying right now. I don't think it really, it's never really bugged me.
23:49 Speaker 02 Well, we've had a lot, we've had a lot of fun with it on the WhatsApp group for the podcast.
23:53 Speaker 05 Really, really?
23:54 Speaker 02 Cause this is a nine AM record, of course.
23:55 Speaker 05 Yeah, it is.
23:56 Speaker 03 So it's early for us.
23:57 Speaker 02 Yeah.
23:58 Speaker 03 So it's funny.
23:59 Speaker 05 Yeah.
23:59 Speaker 03 And on, on, on the, on the way here, you know, Ed was running late, so he said, I'm gonna be John Light. That is funny, man.
24:07 Speaker 05 That's really good.
24:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
24:08 Speaker 05 That's really good.
24:09 Speaker 02 Yeah. And we were like, what if John's late? Then are we gonna have some fun with him about that?
24:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:13 Speaker 02 That's big.
24:14 Speaker 03 I was John on time.
24:15 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:16 Speaker 03 That was funny.
24:16 Speaker 05 Yeah.
24:18 Speaker 03 It was all pretty funny stuff, John.
24:21 Speaker 02 When you think about it.
24:22 Speaker 03 Real fun time.
24:23 Speaker 05 It's really funny.
24:23 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:24 Speaker 03 But poppadoms are bread, though.
24:26 Speaker 05 Wait, are?
24:27 Speaker 02 Poppadoms are bread.
24:28 Speaker 05 Oh, that's the catchphrase?
24:30 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:30 Speaker 05 I thought you were saying.
24:32 Speaker 03 Poppadoms are bread?
24:33 Speaker 05 Yeah.
24:33 Speaker 03 I was in a statement.
24:34 Speaker 05 Yes, exactly.
24:35 Speaker 03 That's not the words that our American guests usually have a problem with. Usually they're like, what did you say? What was that first word?
24:40 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:41 Speaker 03 But I've now discovering that even the word or in my accent doesn't translate.
24:48 Speaker 05 Excuse me. That was not related. I swear to God.
24:52 Speaker 02 That was related.
24:52 Speaker 05 No, no. There was some build up.
24:56 Speaker 05 Claudia Doherty.
24:57 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:57 Speaker 05 Who I've already brought up you privately. She taught me about poppadoms. Am I saying that right?
25:03 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
25:03 Speaker 05 Yeah.
25:04 Speaker 02 She's very wise.
25:04 Speaker 05 She got me poppadoms for my birthday. Actually, I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. She gave me a package of poppadoms that you put in the microwave and they.
25:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
25:13 Speaker 05 They pop.
25:14 Speaker 02 So because she taught, taught you, because she taught you about them.
25:17 Speaker 05 Yeah.
25:18 Speaker 02 Did she, was she like, these are like a hundred pounds each and this is the gift for you?
25:22 Speaker 05 Oh wait, are you saying they're so cheap? Oh my God, that's so funny.
25:26 Speaker 02 It's a bad gift.
25:28 Speaker 05 I think they were like, I don't think they were expensive, but I think they were like specialty or they were like, you know, authentic.
25:36 Speaker 02 Yeah.
25:37 Speaker 05 You know, business, we gift.
25:38 Speaker 03 That's very nice. That is nice.
25:40 Speaker 05 And they have the kind of, it comes with like a childlike wonder of seeing them transform in the microwave.
25:46 Speaker 02 Yeah.
25:46 Speaker 05 Like it feels like a toy you would get. Or like those little sponges that you put in the water and they expand.
25:51 Speaker 02 Yeah, those things.
25:52 Speaker 05 Yeah.
25:52 Speaker 02 Yeah.
25:53 Speaker 05 Those are so cool.
25:54 Speaker 02 Would you eat one of those sponges?
25:56 Speaker 05 No. Although I've heard there is a, you know, pre Ozempic, there was a, uh, there still is a pill that you can take that it's like a plant-based sponge that expands in your stomach. You like, it's like in a little capsule.
26:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
26:12 Speaker 05 Me acting out.
26:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
26:14 Speaker 05 Eating it is so weird.
26:16 Speaker 03 That was good. And you looked Ed right in the eyes when you ate the capsule.
26:20 Speaker 02 It's like, wow, I thought there was a capsule there.
26:23 Speaker 05 So that was so weird. So you take, you pop, you take the capsule and then it, it's like a plant-based sponge expands in your stomach and then you're less hungry.
26:33 Speaker 02 Yeah, you would be.
26:34 Speaker 05 Yeah.
26:35 Speaker 02 And then what happens to the sponge?
26:36 Speaker 05 Well, it's plant-based and then eventually, oh.
26:39 Speaker 02 It erodes.
26:40 Speaker 05 Breaks down.
26:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, you don't have to shit the whole sponge out.
26:42 Speaker 03 No, no. But what if it's plant-based and the plant is the plant from Little Shop of Horrors? Then you won't stop eating.
26:49 Speaker 05 I know, I know, that's the risk.
26:50 Speaker 02 Yeah.
26:51 Speaker 03 Let's, let's go to Shell, feed me Seymour, your stomach. Cause it happened to feed it people.
26:57 Speaker 05 Oh my God.
26:58 Speaker 03 And you're gonna have the opposite problem.
27:00 Speaker 02 Yeah.
27:00 Speaker 03 People don't think of these, do you want the, um, do you want the poppums that?
27:04 Speaker 05 Oh, sorry, sorry. Or bread.
27:06 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:06 Speaker 05 Yeah. Bread. Sorry, sorry. I have to say like, and I, I think Claudia knows this, that like, I was so excited by the kind of microwave transformation and that, the novelty of that. But I don't really respond to like that kind of crackery thing across cultures.
27:27 Speaker 02 Yeah. You don't like the crunch?
27:29 Speaker 05 It doesn't really do much for me. I like the, I like the multiple textures of bread where you're getting the crunch of the crust and then the soft interior.
27:40 Speaker 03 No, I can't tell we've had for that one.
27:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
27:43 Speaker 03 Straight down the barrel. What kind of bread, what kind of bread would you like?
27:51 Speaker 05 Sour dough.
27:53 Speaker 05 Right?
27:54 Speaker 02 You looked so vulnerable in that moment.
27:55 Speaker 05 I got scared.
27:56 Speaker 02 You looked so scared.
27:57 Speaker 05 Yeah.
27:58 Speaker 03 What did you think we were gonna do?
27:59 Speaker 02 Yeah.
27:59 Speaker 03 You said the wrong bread.
28:00 Speaker 05 I don't know. I just, I've actually never, that's what's cool about this podcast. I've never thought about that.
28:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
28:06 Speaker 05 Yeah. Yeah, sour dough.
28:08 Speaker 03 Make people.
28:09 Speaker 05 Yeah.
28:09 Speaker 03 Think about stuff they haven't thought about before.
28:11 Speaker 02 Is there a, is there a place that you've had the best sour dough or you buy sour dough from?
28:18 Speaker 02 Where, where, where do you live in the States, Sam?
28:20 Speaker 05 I'm realizing that every question's gonna stop me in my track.
28:23 Speaker 03 I would say, cause we've done a lot of episodes of this podcast, but I would say your responses are the most, like, the most that I felt, um, yeah, this makes sense. Of course, like, why are we asking this shit?
28:37 Speaker 05 No, no, no.
28:39 Speaker 03 No, no, I don't think you're, you're responding like, why are you asking me this? But like, it is when you look at us like that, I think, yeah, it's like, we're, we're the weird ones here.
28:48 Speaker 05 No, no, you're not.
28:49 Speaker 02 When we said, when we said, what sort of bread do you want? And you've looked down and then looked up at us. And then, is there anywhere good from sour dough? And then you've looked down again and looked up at us. So vulnerable and so scared. It's like you've used it as an acting trick. I think in future projects.
29:03 Speaker 05 Yeah.
29:04 Speaker 02 You can just imagine someone said, what, what bread do you like? And then look down and then just like.
29:08 Speaker 05 Yeah. Yeah, totally locked in in the moment. There's really good sour dough. You know, honestly, I would love homemade. I would love, but not me. But like someone, insert a friend.
29:21 Speaker 02 Claudia?
29:22 Speaker 05 She doesn't make bread.
29:23 Speaker 03 Hmm.
29:26 Speaker 05 No, but there's, there's really, there's really good, okay, there's, there's little grocery stores in LA. Grocery stores?
29:32 Speaker 02 Yes.
29:32 Speaker 05 In Los Angeles that have little, like great little bread. Sour dough bread.
29:37 Speaker 03 Hey, Claudia, open a bakery, she could call Claudia Odoherty.
29:41 Speaker 02 Oh, that's good.
29:42 Speaker 05 That's genius.
29:43 Speaker 03 Yes, genius.
29:44 Speaker 05 Wow.
29:44 Speaker 03 Yeah, genius.
29:48 Speaker 02 Your dream starter, John.
29:50 Speaker 05 Okay, so there is a thing that I make.
29:56 Speaker 05 That shocks everyone.
29:58 Speaker 02 Oh, okay.
29:58 Speaker 05 I got it from a restaurant that does not make it anymore. It's a crostini, so you you cut thin slices of an Italian country bread. And this actually contradicts exactly what I was saying. Then you dry it out so it is cracker like.
30:12 Speaker 02 Yes, okay.
30:13 Speaker 05 Then you put like a slab, a pad of cold butter on it, like a rectangle of butter. And then you put a man, a manchovy, a manchovy. You put an anchovy that's been marinated in Calabrian chili, a spicy anchovy.
30:31 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:32 Speaker 05 A spicy anchovy.
30:33 Speaker 02 A manchovy.
30:34 Speaker 05 A manchovy, and then you put thinly sliced shallot. Y'all don't call them shallots, do you?
30:40 Speaker 02 Shalot.
30:41 Speaker 05 Oh, oh, oh.
30:42 Speaker 02 So, yeah, same, same word, different pronunciation.
30:44 Speaker 05 Okay. And then parsley, I'm almost done.
30:49 Speaker 05 Parsley on top of that, lemon juice on top of that, and then Parmesan on top of that.
30:53 Speaker 02 Oh.
30:54 Speaker 05 Now you're thinking like, okay, yeah, simple Italian ingredients. The combination of all these things texturally and on a flavor level is shocking. And that's, and that's my time. It sounds delicious to go.
31:08 Speaker 02 Absolutely delicious.
31:09 Speaker 05 It's so good.
31:11 Speaker 02 And I was on board with the thick slab of butter. I was like, this is going in a direction I like. I nearly shouted, take me to church. It sounds amazing.
31:18 Speaker 05 People really like when they see you assemble it, they're always like, okay, with the butter. Shut up. It just, trust me, it's like, it's so, it's so good. And it's really sweet laying the anchovy on its little butter bed.
31:32 Speaker 02 Yeah.
31:34 Speaker 05 Cause it is one fish.
31:36 Speaker 02 Yes.
31:36 Speaker 05 You know, it's, it's a filet, it's, it's, you really, you really feel that.
31:40 Speaker 02 Yeah. It's crazy how different anchovies look when they're like in the tin.
31:45 Speaker 05 I actually.
31:46 Speaker 02 To how they looked initially.
31:47 Speaker 05 I don't know what they look like initially.
31:50 Speaker 02 Well, if you had like fresher anchovies where they're more like, just like white fish.
31:53 Speaker 05 Right, oh, right, right.
31:54 Speaker 02 Yeah, so I guess they look a bit more like, just like small fish.
31:57 Speaker 05 Yeah.
31:57 Speaker 02 But when they're all like brown and lying there.
32:00 Speaker 05 I know.
32:00 Speaker 02 They've really changed those.
32:01 Speaker 05 They're quite, I mean, they're gross.
32:03 Speaker 02 I've been lying there.
32:04 Speaker 05 Like, they are, it's taken me a while to get over the kind of like anchovies. But now I'm fully like, I'll be using them left and right. Anyway.
32:12 Speaker 02 You only need one per thing, right? Cause they're punchy.
32:14 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah. But some, you, you gotta make sure it's a big one that can lay across the bed.
32:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
32:20 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah. Butter. And you tuck in a little parsley blanket.
32:25 Speaker 03 The first I've ever heard about anchovies was just on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
32:29 Speaker 05 Oh, right. They were, they were like, they were like, it's gross.
32:32 Speaker 03 They hated them.
32:33 Speaker 05 Yeah.
32:33 Speaker 03 And I was like, okay, so I guess they're disgusting then.
32:35 Speaker 05 Right.
32:35 Speaker 03 I'd never had one before. And it wasn't really something I came across for years.
32:40 Speaker 05 Yeah.
32:41 Speaker 03 And then when I did have one, I was like, I don't know what the big fuss was about Michelangelo getting, turning his nose up at this.
32:46 Speaker 05 Yeah.
32:46 Speaker 03 This is quite nice.
32:47 Speaker 02 And he was a party dude, famously.
32:49 Speaker 03 Meant to be.
32:50 Speaker 02 Meant to be the party dude. And he was like, I don't like anchovies. But he put weird stuff on it.
32:54 Speaker 05 Yeah, it's so fussy for like a partier.
32:56 Speaker 02 Yeah.
32:57 Speaker 05 I think it's so.
32:57 Speaker 03 He lives in this fucking sewer.
33:01 Speaker 02 His best friend's a rat.
33:02 Speaker 03 Best friend's a rat.
33:02 Speaker 05 Really?
33:03 Speaker 02 Yeah.
33:04 Speaker 05 Wow, I didn't know. I didn't watch that stuff.
33:06 Speaker 02 No.
33:07 Speaker 05 I didn't watch that stuff. I'm sorry, y'all.
33:11 Speaker 03 What did you watch when you were a little kid?
33:13 Speaker 05 Girl stuff.
33:15 Speaker 05 No, I watched a lot of, I watched a lot. I mean, I was really left alone with the TV, you know? And I watched a lot of I Love Lucy.
33:23 Speaker 03 Ah.
33:23 Speaker 05 A lot. Was she big here?
33:25 Speaker 03 I don't think so. Not that I like hair. Not as big hair as.
33:29 Speaker 05 Have you never watched it?
33:30 Speaker 03 I don't think I've ever.
33:31 Speaker 02 I don't think I've ever watched it.
33:31 Speaker 05 You guys, you guys, it's still the funniest shit on earth.
33:36 Speaker 03 Yeah.
33:36 Speaker 05 It is so, she is so funny. I, I, I follow, I follow everything Lucille Ball on, on Instagram. I was like cackling to myself the other day. Still.
33:48 Speaker 03 Yeah.
33:49 Speaker 05 Anyway.
33:49 Speaker 02 Well, that's more, I mean, I don't think about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles that much. So that's clearly, she's got more longevity than.
33:55 Speaker 03 Clearly.
33:55 Speaker 02 Than Donatello and the rest of the lads. Yeah.
33:57 Speaker 05 Wait, but really quickly, anchovies. Don't you think it's so crazy that they, they were like processing each individual anchovy? I mean, I'm sure they, they're not like by hand. They probably have a way to do it all at once.
34:09 Speaker 03 Maybe an old man on the can is, is, is doing that.
34:11 Speaker 05 Well, they're taking the, the skeleton out, right?
34:15 Speaker 02 Or, yeah, you occasionally feel like there's bones in there, right?
34:18 Speaker 05 But those ones in the jars that are so soft.
34:21 Speaker 02 Yeah.
34:21 Speaker 05 How the hell?
34:22 Speaker 02 Yeah.
34:23 Speaker 05 Are they doing that, y'all?
34:24 Speaker 03 With the soft bones.
34:25 Speaker 02 Yeah. But they are, they must be taking the little spine out and stuff.
34:28 Speaker 05 Crazy. That is so small.
34:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
34:32 Speaker 02 Some of those fish can get expensive. They're like those tinned fish.
34:34 Speaker 05 I know.
34:35 Speaker 02 You can buy like really crazy expensive stuff.
34:38 Speaker 05 I know. That's really a sign that we're.
34:41 Speaker 02 The end of the world.
34:42 Speaker 05 On the way out, don't you think? Yeah. That tin fish has become so expensive.
34:46 Speaker 03 Hmm. Yeah, yeah. We know. We, we, I mean.
34:49 Speaker 05 Yeah.
34:50 Speaker 03 Every day. How, how often, how many times a day would you say you think to yourself, even over the smallest things, we're fucked?
34:58 Speaker 05 I mean, I think it's so kind of ambient now.
35:03 Speaker 03 Hmm.
35:03 Speaker 05 I mean, but do you remember when you first started, like, like, I like two thousand, maybe thirteen? I remember being like.
35:11 Speaker 05 And, and, and then, and, and I was like, well, this feeling will go away. And then it didn't. And now we're used to it.
35:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're used to it now. Yeah.
35:18 Speaker 05 Yeah.
35:19 Speaker 03 And now we watch films about dying and going in the afterlife to comfort ourselves.
35:23 Speaker 05 Yeah.
35:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
35:25 Speaker 05 In theaters this Thanksgiving, which you don't even celebrate.
35:29 Speaker 02 No. It's too close to Christmas. What are you guys doing?
35:32 Speaker 05 No.
35:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, you guys.
35:33 Speaker 05 Tell me about it. I have to go to Nashville where I'm from.
35:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
35:37 Speaker 05 Twice, like in, in a month's time, which I love. I can't wait to see my family.
35:42 Speaker 03 Yeah.
35:43 Speaker 05 But like, that's a lot. That's two big old trips.
35:46 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's crazy.
35:47 Speaker 05 And then nine hundred months between that where I'm not going.
35:52 Speaker 05 That's crazy.
35:54 Speaker 02 Today's episode of the Off Menu podcast is sponsored by Cozy, the home of possibilities, James.
36:00 Speaker 03 Ah, man, Ed, Cozy has everything you need to make your home feel like it has a plan. Do you know what I mean?
36:05 Speaker 02 I know what you mean. Cozy is a wonderful furniture company. It makes furnishing your whole home easy. Sofas, dining, storage, rugs, bedroom, even outdoor, all designed to make your space feel put together without the usual furniture stress. And James, we talk about dream meals on this podcast, but you know what? We very rarely talk about where we want to eat this dream meal.
36:25 Speaker 03 Sure. Yeah. I like it when it does come up. It is very important. It changes the whole meal, the setting, the vibe. And Cozy's modular customizable furniture for the whole home does just that.
36:36 Speaker 02 And the meal, James, doesn't necessarily end at dessert. We've often talked about wanting to take our maybe final course through. To a comfy room, and I think this is where Cozy can really come in handy. Go and relax on the sofa, maybe even eat your meal at a lovely, beautiful cozy table. Linger a little bit, move through with coffees and dessert to a lovely couch. But I know what you're like, James. You're a mucky pup.
36:58 Speaker 03 I'm gonna spill stuff everywhere. Is that gonna ruin the Cozy furniture?
37:01 Speaker 02 No, don't worry about that, James, because it's highly washable, James. It's sauce, wine, sparkling water, dessert crumbs. You telling one of your big stories and sloshing a coffee everywhere. Don't worry, you can pop it in the wash.
37:13 Speaker 03 Oh, so you're saying Cozy makes every day at home feel like my best day?
37:16 Speaker 02 Absolutely. That's exactly what I'm saying. And with Cozy, your home can grow with you, adapting to new spaces, new styles and every era of your life, James. I think it's so hard, especially when you move somewhere new, to immediately make that place feel like yours, that it's been put together well. And that's where Cozy comes in.
37:32 Speaker 03 And because it's cozy, the furniture isn't just good looking, but actually practical. Modular pieces, easy assembly, washable and interchangeable covers and free design consultations, if you want help making the whole room work.
37:44 Speaker 02 And it's easy to order, ship and assemble and maintain, James. The only way is the Cozy way.
37:51 Speaker 03 Visit Cozy today, that's C O Z E Y dot com and make yourself at home.
38:03 Speaker 03 Your dream main course, John.
38:06 Speaker 05 Oh, wait, wait, hold on. So do I get sides?
38:09 Speaker 03 You will do.
38:09 Speaker 05 You will do.
38:09 Speaker 03 Okay, okay, sorry.
38:10 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
38:10 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah. Don't you worry.
38:11 Speaker 05 Yeah. By the way, I have to say, I feel like I'm in such good hands.
38:16 Speaker 02 Yeah, you don't need to worry. You don't need to worry.
38:19 Speaker 05 It's crazy.
38:19 Speaker 02 That's a great starter. I'm excited to hear what the main.
38:22 Speaker 05 And I really actually want to applaud the simplicity of the premise.
38:25 Speaker 03 Yeah, thank you.
38:26 Speaker 05 And that you're not apologizing for the premise. Here's the one thing I hate about podcasts with premises.
38:31 Speaker 02 Should be apologizing for the premise.
38:32 Speaker 05 No, no.
38:34 Speaker 03 I'm sorry.
38:35 Speaker 05 So passive aggressive. And yeah, I love that you're not apologizing.
38:39 Speaker 03 I love that you're not apologizing.
38:40 Speaker 05 With you really.
38:40 Speaker 02 Because anyone else with any shame would.
38:43 Speaker 05 No, but I feel like people do have shame over their premi.
38:48 Speaker 03 Yes.
38:48 Speaker 05 And they don't get to it and they go, well, we'll just talk about your life for, you know, like for like an hour and we can just get to the premise. I'm like, no, I don't wanna talk about, you know, I wanna, I wanna have a game.
39:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
39:01 Speaker 02 We talk around the premise, sure.
39:02 Speaker 05 Yeah, look, it's already coming up so naturally.
39:04 Speaker 02 But the framework's always there.
39:06 Speaker 03 Yeah. I think like, like you were saying with the, uh, we're fucked feeling. For me now, the shame is just ambient with the podcast. Like, when I, when I started, I was like, oh man, we're fucking podcasters. This is not the, this is not the plan.
39:23 Speaker 02 I've always loved it.
39:24 Speaker 05 Good, you should.
39:25 Speaker 02 I love it.
39:25 Speaker 05 I love it.
39:26 Speaker 02 I'm proud.
39:26 Speaker 03 It's pathetic. I wish I was in eternity.
39:31 Speaker 05 No.
39:31 Speaker 03 Interviewing people about better stuff that they're doing, what we're doing this fucking shit hole.
39:37 Speaker 05 You wish you were in the premise of the movie or you wish you were in the movie?
39:40 Speaker 03 I wish I was you.
39:43 Speaker 03 Don't wish so hard.
39:46 Speaker 05 Oh my God, thank you.
39:48 Speaker 03 Embarrassing.
39:51 Speaker 03 I'd forgotten about it until you, you brought up the.
39:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, he's always said.
39:54 Speaker 05 I'm sorry.
39:54 Speaker 02 He's always said he wishes he was you.
39:56 Speaker 05 Yeah, I bet.
39:58 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:58 Speaker 03 Saw you once on the streets of New York. You walked past me. I didn't dare say hello.
40:01 Speaker 05 Is that true?
40:02 Speaker 03 Yeah.
40:03 Speaker 05 Why didn't you say hi?
40:05 Speaker 03 So it's a year ago, exactly a year ago, pretty much.
40:08 Speaker 05 Oh my God.
40:09 Speaker 03 You walked past me with your friend.
40:10 Speaker 05 Honestly, that was, really?
40:11 Speaker 03 You were on your phone laughing at something on your phone while your friend was talking, but you weren't listening to your friend. And I was like, that is John Early.
40:21 Speaker 05 But I, I wasn't showing my friend?
40:23 Speaker 03 No, it made me laugh. It was, yo, it was a glimpse. So obviously I didn't see any of it in context. I imagined that.
40:31 Speaker 05 Isn't it?
40:31 Speaker 03 Probably the second before, the second after, I looked over, you had shown your friend.
40:36 Speaker 05 Was the friend, what gender was my friend?
40:39 Speaker 03 Male.
40:40 Speaker 05 Okay. Careful, by the way.
40:42 Speaker 03 To my eyes. Might not have been.
40:44 Speaker 05 God, isn't it so devastating that like the one time I was observed, I was on my phone?
40:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, but I was like, that's what I want if I'm seeing John Early, uh, walking around New York.
40:54 Speaker 02 Now, how does this, how does this feel? Cause I don't know how to interpret this. That he's decided, that's what I want from John Early.
40:59 Speaker 05 It's me on my phone.
41:00 Speaker 03 I want you to be on your phone.
41:02 Speaker 02 Ignoring his friend.
41:03 Speaker 03 On your phone, ignoring your friend and loving being on your phone.
41:06 Speaker 05 No.
41:07 Speaker 03 Like, no kind of like. No, like, you know, everyone's scrolling like zombies, but you were like, this is the best thing ever.
41:14 Speaker 05 Yeah.
41:14 Speaker 03 I love my phone.
41:15 Speaker 05 Yeah.
41:16 Speaker 03 And it doesn't matter what my friend is saying.
41:19 Speaker 05 My phone, I hate my phone.
41:21 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. But it looked like, it looked like he's so happy. He's just leaning into.
41:26 Speaker 05 I have to say, that was a very happy time here.
41:30 Speaker 05 November of last year in New York.
41:32 Speaker 03 Yeah.
41:34 Speaker 03 I, I didn't have time to say it, though. You look, looked up and you were gone.
41:39 Speaker 05 Yeah, damn.
41:40 Speaker 03 But I was like, well, one day, we'll bring that up on a podcast.
41:42 Speaker 05 Wow, that's beautiful. I, you have to say hi next time. I mean, but now that this has happened.
41:47 Speaker 03 No, I have to. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:50 Speaker 05 Get over here, James.
41:53 Speaker 05 I take my phone.
41:55 Speaker 03 Phone goes in the sewer, Michelangelo catches it.
42:00 Speaker 05 Oh, main course.
42:00 Speaker 03 Main course.
42:01 Speaker 05 Sorry. Chicken.
42:04 Speaker 03 Chicken.
42:05 Speaker 05 Chicken.
42:05 Speaker 03 Chicken.
42:06 Speaker 05 But a roast chicken.
42:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:08 Speaker 05 Just a perfect roast chicken. Uh, the thing, the, the version that I've made with Claudia for years is the Thomas Keller roast chicken.
42:17 Speaker 03 Okay.
42:18 Speaker 05 Which is, the method is, you just pat it hardcore dry with paper towels.
42:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:25 Speaker 05 Rain salt and pepper down on it. So you're like a salt pepper crust.
42:29 Speaker 03 Hmm.
42:30 Speaker 05 You're not putting oil on it.
42:31 Speaker 02 Oh, wow.
42:31 Speaker 05 Okay. Cause what happens is, I don't know, I don't understand the science, but basically that, you put that in the oven, whatever, high heat, an hour. And that creates a crazy, crazy crispiness. And so juicy inside.
42:46 Speaker 02 And it's just, it's just salt and pepper.
42:47 Speaker 05 I hated saying juicy, but it's true, but I was just like, it felt gross.
42:53 Speaker 02 I want it as crispy as possible on the outside and juicy as possible on the inside.
42:56 Speaker 05 It's like, it's perfect. So it would be a roast, just a beautiful, simple roast chicken. With some sa- and this is actually what I was struggling with on the car on the way here, the sauces. And I was like, cause, cause I like, the point of it is the simplicity of like a roast chicken. But I do think I would want like a classic aioli on the side to dip it in. And maybe like a chimichurri, you know?
43:24 Speaker 03 That sounds very good.
43:24 Speaker 02 I think, yeah.
43:25 Speaker 03 In fact, it's just salt and pepper as well.
43:27 Speaker 05 Oh, heaven.
43:28 Speaker 02 How do you feel when you're patting the chicken down? Because.
43:31 Speaker 05 I hate that.
43:32 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's weird, isn't it?
43:33 Speaker 05 It sucks.
43:33 Speaker 02 Cause I've done that. I've, I've, I've patted a chicken in my time.
43:36 Speaker 03 I used to work on the door of a nightclub. And a lot of chickens would turn up and try and get. Yeah, yeah.
43:44 Speaker 02 And they'd be, they'd be suspicious because it'd be like, when, when we get patted down, we were going into the oven. I'm like, no, I just need to check and see if you've got any.
43:51 Speaker 03 It is hot in there though.
43:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, it is hot in there. You, you guys are gonna get crispy.
43:55 Speaker 03 Juicy on the inside.
43:56 Speaker 02 Yeah, like I'll do that with steak as well. Like you really have to pat it down to get it all off.
44:00 Speaker 05 But that's, but steak is fundamentally less gross than chicken.
44:04 Speaker 03 Really?
44:04 Speaker 02 Do you think?
44:05 Speaker 05 I mean, don't you, I mean, it's, it's just like because of the fear. I don't know if you guys have this here. But like in America, there's, there's a real fear of salmonella. So there's just like, you're like immediately in the air when you're born into America. Is like, you're just like, you don't trust raw chicken. There is a smell.
44:28 Speaker 02 Yeah.
44:28 Speaker 05 To raw chicken that's not pleasant. And then like the paper towels are like kind of pink.
44:35 Speaker 02 Yeah, cause all the chicken juices.
44:37 Speaker 05 Yeah, I don't love that, but you know, it's a small price to pay for gorgeous roast chicken.
44:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
44:43 Speaker 05 All right, that's a break.
44:48 Speaker 03 I had a great roast chicken, uh, just this weekend at the Clarence in Stoke Newington.
44:52 Speaker 02 There he is.
44:53 Speaker 05 In, in where now? Stoke Newington?
44:57 Speaker 03 Stoke Newington in London. I went to a place called the Clarence, hadn't been there before.
45:02 Speaker 05 Fancy?
45:03 Speaker 03 Uh, just a pub, like a fancy pub, but not, not totally, not like crazy fancy. Got there pretty late.
45:10 Speaker 05 Yeah.
45:10 Speaker 03 They're about to stop doing food.
45:12 Speaker 02 John Light?
45:13 Speaker 03 He did it.
45:15 Speaker 05 This sucks.
45:19 Speaker 03 And they were like, all we've got is the roast chicken left. So I wa- I wasn't gonna order the roast chicken.
45:23 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
45:24 Speaker 03 So I was like, fine.
45:25 Speaker 05 Are they like famous for their roast chicken?
45:27 Speaker 03 No, no, I, I, I don't, I don't think so, but like, they should be.
45:30 Speaker 05 Yeah.
45:31 Speaker 03 Because I was like, I'm really glad that that was the only thing that was there, because I wouldn't have ordered it.
45:34 Speaker 05 Yeah.
45:34 Speaker 03 And it was so good, I couldn't stop eating it.
45:36 Speaker 05 Oh.
45:36 Speaker 03 And it was for two.
45:37 Speaker 05 Was there gravy?
45:38 Speaker 03 I was there with a friend. It was like these beans and mushrooms and a bit of truffle in like a sauce on the, and then the roast chicken was on top of that.
45:47 Speaker 05 Hmm.
45:47 Speaker 03 So I was kind of getting the different pieces of roast chicken, cutting them up, then running it through that sauce.
45:54 Speaker 05 Oh, my god.
45:55 Speaker 03 And eating it. It was very good.
45:56 Speaker 05 The hunger has hit.
45:58 Speaker 03 Yeah.
45:58 Speaker 02 Love the way James describes the most normal way to eat something.
46:02 Speaker 05 Running it through.
46:03 Speaker 02 And then I'm eating, getting the, getting a bit of the, not the whole thing, just cutting a little bit off. And then I'm putting it in the sauce, I'm combining the two. And that's how I'd recommend doing it personally.
46:13 Speaker 03 Some people won't know.
46:14 Speaker 05 They won't, I know.
46:15 Speaker 03 Some people will think.
46:16 Speaker 05 They think they have to eat the sauce separately.
46:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, or like I ate the whole chicken.
46:21 Speaker 05 Yeah.
46:21 Speaker 03 Like in one go.
46:22 Speaker 02 Like a king.
46:23 Speaker 03 Like a king. I didn't do that.
46:26 Speaker 02 Yeah.
46:27 Speaker 03 So you just want people to know how I ate it properly.
46:30 Speaker 02 Does sound delicious though, doesn't it?
46:32 Speaker 05 A, a wedge of lemon, sorry.
46:33 Speaker 02 Yes.
46:34 Speaker 05 I just remembered, that's another thing, it was a wedge of lemon with the chicken that you can squirt on it.
46:38 Speaker 02 Mmm.
46:38 Speaker 05 Squirt on it. The, the words.
46:41 Speaker 03 You're not putting it in the ass? No, the, the, I, I, I once did a roast chicken at home and put the lemon in the chicken's butt. And my nephews were obsessed with it.
46:50 Speaker 05 That's cute.
46:50 Speaker 03 They couldn't believe it had happened.
46:52 Speaker 05 Yeah. Yeah. That's one of those things that I always was kind of like, this is fake. Like when people put stuff in the, the butt.
46:58 Speaker 03 Yeah.
46:58 Speaker 05 Of the chicken.
46:59 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:00 Speaker 05 Of the chicken. I'm always like, I'm always like, really? That's infusing.
47:05 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
47:06 Speaker 05 It's real.
47:07 Speaker 03 It's real.
47:08 Speaker 05 It's actually real.
47:09 Speaker 03 Loads of garlic up there as well.
47:11 Speaker 05 Yeah.
47:12 Speaker 02 Or a half an onion, done that before as well.
47:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:15 Speaker 02 It all works, but yeah, or the lemon, get a whole lemon, paste the lemon.
47:19 Speaker 03 Hmm.
47:19 Speaker 02 Do you do that one? And then just, and then put the whole, it's satisfying putting the whole lemon up there.
47:23 Speaker 05 Yeah.
47:23 Speaker 03 Yeah. I love how Ed just says things that we all do and, and like describes it in detail on the podcast.
47:28 Speaker 02 Well, no, I just. Have you done the whole lemon with the, spiked the whole lemon, put it up there? Have you done that one?
47:34 Speaker 05 I've never done it.
47:35 Speaker 02 There you go.
47:35 Speaker 03 And then neither have I.
47:36 Speaker 02 No.
47:38 Speaker 03 Not very common. Never done it. Um, do you want Claudia there for this roast chicken? Cause you.
47:43 Speaker 05 Yeah, she's really good at it. It's, it's not, she's like very much woven into this meal.
47:49 Speaker 03 Hmm, yeah.
47:50 Speaker 05 Um, we're not eating her. I want to be clear.
47:53 Speaker 03 Crystal clear.
47:55 Speaker 05 Um, but no, she is so good at making roast chicken. She knows how to trust it, you know? Tie it up.
48:02 Speaker 03 Is that, is that what trust means?
48:03 Speaker 05 I think so.
48:04 Speaker 02 I think so, yeah.
48:06 Speaker 05 Cutting to you.
48:07 Speaker 03 We had a prime minister here called Truss.
48:09 Speaker 05 Really?
48:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, not for very long. She killed the queen and left, but like, um, it was a very small amount of time.
48:15 Speaker 02 She, basically she came in as prime minister, fuck the economy, the queen died and then she left.
48:22 Speaker 05 Wow.
48:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
48:23 Speaker 02 But she met the queen when she became prime minister and then like, literally like days later, the queen died. So everyone was like Liz Truss has killed the queen.
48:30 Speaker 05 Wow.
48:30 Speaker 02 And then, yeah, it was not a successful.
48:32 Speaker 05 Yeah.
48:33 Speaker 02 Leadership, I would say.
48:34 Speaker 03 No, not great for, for.
48:35 Speaker 05 Where is she now?
48:36 Speaker 02 She sort of pops up now and again, doesn't she?
48:38 Speaker 03 No, she was, she, because she was doing something where I was like, I can't believe you've got the nerve to still show your face in public. And speak like, um, like, like you know about stuff.
48:47 Speaker 02 Yeah.
48:47 Speaker 03 She was really running her mouth off on something and I was like, I'm like, but it wasn't, you know, it was pretty, uh, just the usual conservative bullshit. But like, I was like, how are you still a thing?
48:58 Speaker 02 It was amazing. They, they basically completely destroyed the economy with this plan. And then, uh, she went, well, I'm going to go on local radio and talk about it. Did like a sort of tour of local radio stations in one day. I'm thinking it'll be easy, soft sell, and they all destroyed her.
49:12 Speaker 05 Oh, no.
49:13 Speaker 02 There's a compilation of of her talking to local radio stations, getting absolutely roasted like a chicken.
49:19 Speaker 05 You should have her on the pod.
49:22 Speaker 03 We try. We try and get her on the pod. She keeps saying no. We'd love to get trust on the pod. Trust, if you're listening.
49:29 Speaker 02 Yeah.
49:30 Speaker 03 Answer your emails, buddy.
49:32 Speaker 02 So you're going with the trust chicken rather than how do you feel about spatchcock chicken?
49:36 Speaker 05 Well, I love it.
49:37 Speaker 02 Yeah.
49:39 Speaker 05 And I'm gonna leave it at that.
49:40 Speaker 02 Yeah.
49:40 Speaker 05 But I I what I like about spatchcocking is that it's usually done for you.
49:45 Speaker 02 Hmm.
49:46 Speaker 05 I mean, you know, you can ask a butcher, can you do it?
49:49 Speaker 02 Yes.
49:49 Speaker 05 And there's something really nice. It's like remembering that you can ask a butcher to do the hard thing.
49:55 Speaker 02 Yeah.
49:55 Speaker 05 Is like one of the great joys in life.
49:57 Speaker 02 And you feel like a Dickensian person goes to a butcher.
50:00 Speaker 05 I know, I know.
50:01 Speaker 02 Would you mind spatchcocking that for me?
50:03 Speaker 03 But it has to be about meat when you ask a butcher to do the hard thing. You can't be like, I need you to go and break up with my partner.
50:09 Speaker 05 Right, right, right.
50:11 Speaker 03 I don't know. I don't know how to tell them. I'd like just to send a butcher to their house.
50:14 Speaker 02 And could you help me with the wordle? That sort of stuff.
50:16 Speaker 05 Exactly.
50:17 Speaker 03 You can ask a butcher to help you with a wordle.
50:19 Speaker 05 That would be cute.
50:20 Speaker 03 I don't think they would complain, actually. You could say to the butcher.
50:22 Speaker 02 Yeah.
50:23 Speaker 03 Well, come on, I'm stuck here. I've got one more guess.
50:25 Speaker 02 Yeah, but they always guess beefy.
50:27 Speaker 03 Always guess beefy.
50:28 Speaker 02 Yeah.
50:28 Speaker 03 Is it beefy?
50:30 Speaker 05 No, I told you it's not beefy.
50:31 Speaker 03 You ever what? It doesn't even add up. Look at the words. Look at the letters I've got right so far. How many of them fit into beefy?
50:38 Speaker 02 It's not meaty either. Stop. I know you're gonna say meaty.
50:48 Speaker 03 You good at wordle? No. Your dream size.
50:51 Speaker 05 Oh, okay, okay. Sliced tomato.
50:55 Speaker 02 Okay.
50:55 Speaker 05 Really simple. I'm from the south. It's very like nostalgic for me.
51:01 Speaker 02 Yeah.
51:01 Speaker 05 It's like really, really nice ripe tomato giant.
51:07 Speaker 02 Yes.
51:08 Speaker 05 Just cut into thick slices, salt, pepper, olive oil, walk away.
51:15 Speaker 02 You're not eating it?
51:17 Speaker 05 No. None of this.
51:20 Speaker 03 It is so good.
51:21 Speaker 05 I love tomato.
51:23 Speaker 03 Yeah, and like, people who don't haven't had a good one because like the difference between a rubbish, an everyday rubbish one and a proper good one is.
51:33 Speaker 05 It's crazy.
51:34 Speaker 03 Huge. It's so good.
51:36 Speaker 05 I know.
51:36 Speaker 03 I don't think I had good tomatoes for like, I don't know, until I was an adult.
51:41 Speaker 05 Me too, really. Yeah, I mean, that's actually, I guess that's not true. I did in like, you can in the south, you know, in the summer, get really, really good tomatoes. But like, yeah, growing up, it was like pink, like tomatoes in my mind were like the pink tomatoes on like McDonald's hamburgers, you know?
51:59 Speaker 02 Just like really watery and.
52:00 Speaker 05 Yeah, like kind of dead.
52:02 Speaker 02 Yeah.
52:03 Speaker 05 And just like, they just taste like mealy or something. But yeah, a proper ass, like heirloom tomato.
52:10 Speaker 02 With just, just salt and oil.
52:11 Speaker 05 Just salt, pepper.
52:13 Speaker 02 Pepper.
52:13 Speaker 05 Oil.
52:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
52:15 Speaker 05 And walk away.
52:19 Speaker 05 I mean, I'm sure you also probably should do some sort of acid, like.
52:24 Speaker 03 Your olive oil is that, isn't it? No? Am I wrong there?
52:27 Speaker 02 You shouldn't be hosting a food podcast, man.
52:29 Speaker 05 It's sweetie, fat. Olive, olive is fat.
52:33 Speaker 02 What are you talking about? Olive oil is acid.
52:35 Speaker 03 Sorry.
52:36 Speaker 02 Fucking crazy. Stop the podcast.
52:38 Speaker 03 I'll figure it out. Yeah. It's that. I'll summon vinegar. Is that?
52:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
52:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
52:44 Speaker 02 But that's not olive oil.
52:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, I got confused in my head with the two of them.
52:50 Speaker 05 They're often together. They're often paired together.
52:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, like me and Ed.
52:53 Speaker 02 Yeah.
52:55 Speaker 03 A double act. I guess you're the acid, considering I just got there.
53:01 Speaker 02 Can we go back to the chicken very quickly?
53:03 Speaker 05 Yes, please.
53:03 Speaker 02 Which bit of the, what's your first go to on the chicken? What bit?
53:07 Speaker 05 Thigh.
53:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
53:09 Speaker 05 It's really sorry. I just wanted to answer from the heart. Thigh.
53:13 Speaker 02 Thigh.
53:13 Speaker 05 Yeah.
53:14 Speaker 02 Good, happy, I'm happy with that answer, thank you.
53:15 Speaker 05 Thank you. Are you white or dark meat? I'm gonna actually flip it around on y'all.
53:19 Speaker 02 I'm, I'm leg all the way, so yeah, I guess dark meat with.
53:23 Speaker 05 Right, so.
53:24 Speaker 02 So thigh and drumstick, basically.
53:26 Speaker 05 But I actually have to say, in terms of a roast chicken.
53:29 Speaker 02 Hmm.
53:30 Speaker 05 Like, like a whole chicken, I'm more drumstick.
53:33 Speaker 02 Okay.
53:33 Speaker 05 Because there is something less appealing about a thigh when it's attached to the drumstick.
53:38 Speaker 02 Sure.
53:38 Speaker 05 But I love, like, when you get chicken parts in isolation from the butcher, I like a thigh.
53:45 Speaker 02 Yes.
53:45 Speaker 05 Yeah, you know, but do you know what I mean? It's kind of like when you've like ripped it off the carcass, you're like.
53:51 Speaker 02 See, I, see, I love that.
53:53 Speaker 05 You love that, yeah.
53:54 Speaker 02 It's medieval.
53:54 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
53:55 Speaker 02 I want that. And also when it's a whole chicken, I make no distinction between the thigh and the drumstick, really.
54:00 Speaker 05 Hmm.
54:01 Speaker 02 Leg.
54:02 Speaker 05 Leg.
54:02 Speaker 02 Just the whole leg, and everyone knows, in my house or wherever I'm going, legs for me.
54:06 Speaker 05 Yeah, that's sweet.
54:07 Speaker 03 Oh, really? Everyone knows that?
54:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, big time. You not know that?
54:11 Speaker 03 I guess I would assume that, yeah, eating it with Ed, yeah.
54:13 Speaker 05 Yeah.
54:14 Speaker 03 Yeah, I would assume he's gonna go.
54:15 Speaker 02 I have the leg and I have the onion at the arse.
54:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, of course.
54:19 Speaker 02 Those are the two.
54:19 Speaker 03 Eat it like an apple?
54:20 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and suck it out, don't even use my hand.
54:22 Speaker 05 Oh, my god!
54:25 Speaker 02 What bit of chicken are you?
54:27 Speaker 03 I like the chicken breast, but that's because.
54:29 Speaker 05 Is that for real?
54:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, but that's because, yeah, I know it's boring, it's because I don't like bones, and I don't like eating stuff, I know, dealing with the bones, I don't like it, so I just.
54:37 Speaker 05 Yeah, I understand.
54:38 Speaker 03 If I'm, you know, if I'm, I know it's the wrong answer, but it's what I go for every time.
54:43 Speaker 02 But that's good, we, we could have, we could share a chicken.
54:46 Speaker 05 That's true.
54:46 Speaker 02 We could share a chicken.
54:47 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah. How many, how many? What's the next?
54:53 Speaker 05 Um, no, but I, I do hope for you, through some exposure therapy.
54:58 Speaker 02 Yeah.
54:58 Speaker 05 Oh, well, that you move. Good, good, okay.
55:01 Speaker 03 But it's just not my, my go-to is like.
55:03 Speaker 05 I see, I see.
55:04 Speaker 03 I just want the one with no fuss.
55:05 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
55:06 Speaker 03 I wish it was, you know.
55:06 Speaker 05 But it's not like a, you're not like grossed out, or are you? It'd be okay if you were.
55:10 Speaker 03 I'm not grossed out by it, I'm just like, this is a, this is a load of fuss.
55:14 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
55:14 Speaker 03 I've got to, I had to wash some part of myself after this.
55:18 Speaker 05 Yeah.
55:19 Speaker 03 I don't want to.
55:19 Speaker 05 Yeah, that's true.
55:20 Speaker 03 I wish they'd remove the skeleton like they do with the.
55:22 Speaker 02 And.
55:23 Speaker 05 I know, and it would be easier.
55:24 Speaker 02 Yeah, so much easier. Just get a floppy chicken and put that in the oven. Yeah, yeah.
55:29 Speaker 05 My niece is like, she's seven, but like for a few years now, she has this like amazing like primal thing in her where she just like will eat a full like a turkey leg. She will get the meat off of a turkey leg or a chicken leg. It in a the most, she's just, no one's taught her, I guess.
55:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
55:50 Speaker 05 And she gets more off the bone than like any of us do.
55:53 Speaker 02 Amazing.
55:54 Speaker 05 She's just like.
55:57 Speaker 05 And then it's like completely clean.
55:59 Speaker 02 Like a piranha, like.
56:00 Speaker 05 Yeah, exactly. What was like, I was trying to remember what the animal was.
56:04 Speaker 02 That's great. I'd be proud, I'd be, I'd be so proud of my niece.
56:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, that is like, that's who you you'd like to adopt.
56:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
56:11 Speaker 03 A child like that.
56:12 Speaker 05 Yeah.
56:13 Speaker 02 Or have a child.
56:14 Speaker 05 Huh? Or have one.
56:15 Speaker 02 Yeah, if I have a child, I'd like them to eat all the chicken off.
56:20 Speaker 03 Yeah, but if you have a child, you don't know what the child's gonna turn out like, but I think you would go to the adoption place and go.
56:27 Speaker 02 Here's my non-negotiable.
56:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
56:29 Speaker 02 I'm gonna throw a chicken leg into this room of children.
56:32 Speaker 03 Yeah.
56:33 Speaker 02 And the first one to strip it to the bone is coming home with me.
56:35 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
56:37 Speaker 03 I've never been to Nashville. I'm going for the first time next year.
56:40 Speaker 05 Are you doing a show?
56:40 Speaker 03 I am, yeah. I'm very excited.
56:42 Speaker 05 What, what, it, where?
56:44 Speaker 03 Off the top of my head, I don't know. I've left my phone in the other room. Uh, Bonito's uh Googling it though. Back in the day, Bonito used to get mistaken for you.
56:52 Speaker 05 Well, that makes a lot of sense to me.
56:54 Speaker 02 Yeah.
56:55 Speaker 05 By the way, when you opened the door, I was like, brother.
57:02 Speaker 05 Wait, at the Tennessee Performing Arts Center, T-Pac. That T-Pac is where you would go like on school field trips. Like, we're going to T-Pac. Yeah, and you would see like The Miracle Worker, the play about Helen Keller.
57:17 Speaker 03 Wow, so that's gonna be.
57:18 Speaker 02 A lot of school trips.
57:19 Speaker 03 Helen Keller's the person who did that chicken.
57:23 Speaker 03 What? The chicken you said was Helen Keller, wasn't it?
57:26 Speaker 02 No, that was, that was Thomas Keller.
57:30 Speaker 05 Thomas Keller, yeah.
57:32 Speaker 02 Alan Keller didn't do the chicken, man.
57:34 Speaker 05 That would be so funny if I just started saying that. If I, if I really believed it.
57:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. So I want to get school field trips coming to see me.
57:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
57:42 Speaker 05 Well, is, is James C. Polk at T-Pac?
57:44 Speaker 03 It is.
57:45 Speaker 05 It's sold out.
57:46 Speaker 03 I didn't know it was sold out. That's great news.
57:49 Speaker 05 I'll post so it really sells out.
57:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. Thank you, John.
57:51 Speaker 02 What if it's sold out with one school?
57:53 Speaker 03 Oh, my fucking school. Did school kids come to see me?
57:57 Speaker 05 Well, that's huge, by the way. Congrats. That's, that's a gorgeous theater. I'm excited about that.
58:02 Speaker 02 I've been to Nashville too. I've been already.
58:04 Speaker 05 Okay. What, did you do a show?
58:06 Speaker 02 No, no, no. I was filming something. It's many years ago.
58:08 Speaker 05 What was it?
58:09 Speaker 02 It was a pilot for a show called Almost Royal, actually, which you were talking about shutting down Vimeo's paywall. We, uh, we started and ended the BBC America Original Comedy Commission department.
58:22 Speaker 03 It's good show.
58:23 Speaker 02 Pretty good. Pretty good.
58:25 Speaker 05 Did it, did it?
58:26 Speaker 02 We did two seasons, two seasons of it. Two seasons and then they're like.
58:29 Speaker 05 Nashville?
58:30 Speaker 02 No, we did one. We just did the pilot in Nashville.
58:32 Speaker 05 That's so weird.
58:33 Speaker 02 Which was in the first season and then travelled around for the rest of it.
58:35 Speaker 05 Did you have hot chicken?
58:36 Speaker 02 We didn't actually have hot chicken.
58:38 Speaker 05 Damn. It is. I love it. Yeah. I mean, so do, so does everyone.
58:42 Speaker 02 What's the famous, what's the famous place where it does like all the different like levels of spice?
58:47 Speaker 05 Probably Hattie B's or Prince's or something.
58:49 Speaker 02 Prince's is the one.
58:50 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
58:50 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
58:52 Speaker 03 Nando's.
58:53 Speaker 02 Nando's.
58:54 Speaker 05 I had Nando's for the first time, actually, in Vancouver where I was shooting Eternity. And I, I called Claudia and I was like, I had the most amazing, like, like peri peri chicken, like with amazing sauces. It was kind of like, like a, I was like, it's like a chain. And, and I was like, Nando's. She was like, yeah. I didn't realize it's like absolutely huge.
59:17 Speaker 02 Huge here. Yeah, yeah. Everywhere.
59:18 Speaker 05 Yeah, but not America.
59:20 Speaker 02 No, not in America.
59:21 Speaker 03 And there are some in Australia where Claudia's from.
59:23 Speaker 05 Yeah.
59:24 Speaker 03 But they're bad.
59:25 Speaker 05 Why?
59:26 Speaker 03 Just, that's not the, we, we do it right here. I don't know how we, I don't know how we've nailed it because it's not, it's not like English cuisine. But we've seemed to have nailed Nando's. And then we go to Australia and go, oh, great. They've got Nando's here.
59:40 Speaker 05 Yeah.
59:40 Speaker 03 And then we leave very upset.
59:41 Speaker 05 Oh, no.
59:42 Speaker 03 It's not the same.
59:43 Speaker 05 Shit.
59:44 Speaker 02 It's our fault for not trying new things, though. We shouldn't go to Australia and go, oh, great, the chain we like in England.
59:49 Speaker 05 Yeah.
59:50 Speaker 02 No?
59:51 Speaker 03 I'm just learning there's not any in America. And I'm thinking I'm going to cancel this tour.
59:53 Speaker 02 Yeah.
59:54 Speaker 05 Oh, no.
59:55 Speaker 02 You can go to Prince's Hot Chicken.
59:57 Speaker 03 It's not Nando's, is it?
59:58 Speaker 05 Maybe I'll send my family to your shed. And it's sold out.
1:00:03 Speaker 03 Yeah, but I'll.
1:00:04 Speaker 05 When is it?
1:00:04 Speaker 03 I'll have tickets for myself that I can give to people.
1:00:08 Speaker 02 What if your family come but they don't show up on time, James? What are you?
1:00:11 Speaker 05 I don't know.
1:00:11 Speaker 02 Imagine if they're like walking in.
1:00:13 Speaker 05 I said, like, come in. Oh, everybody. Look who's here. The not so earlys.
1:00:20 Speaker 03 Dream drink.
1:00:22 Speaker 05 I'm not done with my sides.
1:00:24 Speaker 03 Apologies. I thought I thought we'd walked away.
1:00:26 Speaker 02 No, we were.
1:00:26 Speaker 05 Oh, no, that's just from the.
1:00:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, but you're walking to another side.
1:00:31 Speaker 05 Yeah, you're exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're walking to duck fat potatoes.
1:00:36 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
1:00:37 Speaker 05 You know, the kind that you parboil them and then you scuff them up.
1:00:41 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
1:00:42 Speaker 05 And then you put duck, like duck fat in a sheep pan, get it so hot in the oven, put those potatoes on that pan. So they're like sizzling and they just, there's, it's crazy. The way duck fat is like kind of sweet. It's like caramel or something. It's so crazy. Anyway, that's on period. And you know, you know what else I would put on the duck fat potatoes? Chicken salt.
1:01:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah. I still don't really know what chicken salt is.
1:01:11 Speaker 05 I don't either.
1:01:12 Speaker 02 No.
1:01:13 Speaker 05 But it is special.
1:01:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:01:14 Speaker 05 I think there's MSG in it.
1:01:16 Speaker 03 Hmm. Gotta be.
1:01:17 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:01:18 Speaker 03 Absolutely gotta be.
1:01:19 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:01:19 Speaker 03 They are very, very, it's very nice. I've only had it on fries.
1:01:23 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:01:23 Speaker 03 But.
1:01:24 Speaker 05 It's so nice. And so, yeah, tomatoes, potatoes. I would also do like maybe just a really simple arugula salad.
1:01:30 Speaker 02 Nice.
1:01:31 Speaker 05 Lemon, olive oil, salt, pepper. But like really big arugula is the best, like from the farm, not the tiny ones you get at the grocery store.
1:01:41 Speaker 02 How big are the big ones from the farm? Cause I think I've only seen the tiny one.
1:01:44 Speaker 05 I feel like this, when they're like, when it's.
1:01:45 Speaker 02 Like one leaf, it's like that.
1:01:46 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:01:47 Speaker 02 Wow.
1:01:47 Speaker 05 It's like the shape of arugula, but it's a little more like. It's like, it's more like free, it's less.
1:01:53 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:01:54 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:01:55 Speaker 05 Yeah. Yeah.
1:01:57 Speaker 03 Those are delicious, especially with a roast chicken. Oh, good.
1:02:00 Speaker 05 I know, I'm so excited.
1:02:02 Speaker 02 Who did the scuff first on the potatoes? Because now that's like, it's genius.
1:02:07 Speaker 05 No, I know. And it is like, it is something that has entered my mind because of weird like food obsession, like, like in, on Instagram.
1:02:15 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:02:15 Speaker 05 Like, that is like trendy or something, the scuffing.
1:02:18 Speaker 02 The scuff, I mean, everyone does the scuff now. You gotta do the scuff to get the crisp. I mean, the first place I heard about the scuff, we've talked about this before, was Michael Caine.
1:02:27 Speaker 05 Really?
1:02:27 Speaker 03 Of course.
1:02:28 Speaker 02 He did, he did an interview in a newspaper where he said, this is how I do my roast potatoes. And he did the scuff. And this was years ago.
1:02:34 Speaker 05 Wow.
1:02:35 Speaker 02 It's Michael Caine's scuff.
1:02:36 Speaker 05 That's crazy.
1:02:37 Speaker 02 And I'm sure someone else did it first, but he knew.
1:02:40 Speaker 03 We gotta get Caine on this pod, man, and ask him about the scuff.
1:02:43 Speaker 05 I know.
1:02:44 Speaker 03 Ask him where he heard about the scuff, you know? I bet he'd love that. If you ever do a film with him, you can bring up that, the scuff.
1:02:50 Speaker 05 I think y'all are more likely to do a film with him than me.
1:02:53 Speaker 02 No way.
1:02:53 Speaker 03 Are you crazy? We're podcasters.
1:02:58 Speaker 05 But you're British.
1:03:00 Speaker 03 He's, he's in loads of American films.
1:03:02 Speaker 05 That's true, that's true.
1:03:03 Speaker 03 He loves it.
1:03:04 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:03:04 Speaker 03 He doesn't do any English films anymore. He did an English film that day.
1:03:08 Speaker 02 And he only does films where he can hit the last shots of the day. We talked to Nick Frost about this, didn't we?
1:03:13 Speaker 05 My stomach, by this entire time, you have to do a global pass.
1:03:18 Speaker 02 No, we're gonna turn it up.
1:03:20 Speaker 03 Yeah. You'll get.
1:03:21 Speaker 05 It does make sense. The more we talk about the food, it's like.
1:03:23 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:03:23 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. And Michael Caine.
1:03:26 Speaker 05 Nick Frost.
1:03:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, sorry, Michael Caine makes them order his shots in the day to be like far away and then getting closer and closer in so he can put his normal trousers on. And then.
1:03:36 Speaker 05 Oh, oh, literally.
1:03:37 Speaker 02 Put his normal clothes on. So, yeah, and then the last shot of the day is the close up. So he's fully in his own clothes. So he can just go home.
1:03:43 Speaker 03 That's great. I forgot that.
1:03:44 Speaker 05 That is so funny.
1:03:46 Speaker 02 It's brilliant.
1:03:47 Speaker 05 Well.
1:03:47 Speaker 03 You should do that, John.
1:03:48 Speaker 05 I know, I know.
1:03:49 Speaker 03 Start doing it.
1:03:51 Speaker 05 For just the power.
1:03:52 Speaker 02 What's the next film?
1:03:55 Speaker 05 Here we go, it's called Here We Go. I'm kidding.
1:03:57 Speaker 03 Oh, okay.
1:03:59 Speaker 05 I don't have, do I have one? No.
1:04:00 Speaker 03 When you, when you, when you do an H sound, I thought you were gonna say you were in the Harry Potter series.
1:04:06 Speaker 03 Really gonna laugh.
1:04:09 Speaker 05 No.
1:04:10 Speaker 03 It really makes me laugh that there are actors who know they're in it and they haven't been announced yet. I just, it makes me laugh all the time.
1:04:18 Speaker 05 Wait, wait.
1:04:19 Speaker 03 Just thinking about all, all, all the actors who have been cast in it already. And so they know they're definitely in it.
1:04:24 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:04:24 Speaker 03 It hasn't been announced and they're just sitting around every day going, oh shit. Oh my god, that's gonna, oh my god. Okay, let's, let's see how this one goes down, because they're, they're announcing this person today. Let's see if people embrace, oh, I was worried about this. I was worried about this. I shouldn't have said this. I'm fucking Voldemort. I'm Voldemort, that's a huge part. A huge part. They're not letting anyone get away with this.
1:04:51 Speaker 03 I just wanna get away with it. I hope when, when, when we announce my one and everyone, everyone knows that I'm in it. I hope that everyone just responds like they did in the old days to Harry Potter. And I just think it's exciting. That's, is that too much to ask? I thought it'd be exciting.
1:05:04 Speaker 02 And then if I'm asked about it in the press, why I did it, I'll just go, I didn't know there was.
1:05:09 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:05:09 Speaker 02 I've never heard of any.
1:05:10 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
1:05:10 Speaker 03 Yeah. I'll say, I didn't know there was any controversy, or I'll say that we, we, we don't agree.
1:05:14 Speaker 05 Yeah, I don't have a phone.
1:05:15 Speaker 03 We don't agree, but I can still work with her. And then people go, yeah, Joe Watt, fair enough.
1:05:20 Speaker 05 Has she been on the pod?
1:05:22 Speaker 03 Yeah, sure. Yeah, we don't agree with her, but we'll happily give her this platform.
1:05:26 Speaker 02 We've all got different opinions, you know.
1:05:27 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. We'll, we'll pay her to come on the pod. We know where that money's going.
1:05:33 Speaker 03 Um, have you made a note to take that out?
1:05:36 Speaker 05 No, no, you better, you better.
1:05:38 Speaker 03 Sometimes he makes little notes.
1:05:39 Speaker 02 That's a clip.
1:05:40 Speaker 03 Hmm. That better be a clip. That is a clip. You can put, you can, he's really, he's longing for clickbait these days because he's trying to get his YouTube channel off the ground.
1:05:48 Speaker 02 His, it's ours, James.
1:05:49 Speaker 03 It's his.
1:05:50 Speaker 02 It's our podcast, man.
1:05:51 Speaker 03 I don't give a shit about this.
1:05:52 Speaker 02 His YouTube channel.
1:05:54 Speaker 03 It's his, it's his little project. I, I.
1:05:56 Speaker 02 His little project.
1:05:57 Speaker 03 His project, the YouTube thing.
1:05:58 Speaker 05 It's all of ours. It's mine too, if you think about it.
1:06:02 Speaker 03 Congratulations, Joe.
1:06:03 Speaker 05 Thank you.
1:06:03 Speaker 02 Yeah. Welcome to the big time.
1:06:05 Speaker 05 Thank you, guys.
1:06:09 Speaker 00 I've got big news. I switched to Verizon and got the new iPhone 18 Pro. Shh. I can keep my old phone and I also get the latest iPhone every year. Shh. Anything else? Verizon let me choose Apple Watch Series 12 or iPad on them.
1:06:22 Speaker 01 Everybody, listen up.
1:06:23 Speaker 00 Shh. Switch to Verizon and get the new iPhone 18 Pro now. No trade-in needed. And the latest iPhone every year with Simplicity Plan. Plus, choose Apple Watch Series 12 or iPad on us. Simplicity Plan with Simplicity Pro required. Plan and device payment purchase are separate agreements with separate terms. Service plan for Watch or iPad required. Additional terms apply for all offers.
1:06:46 Speaker 02 Your dream drink.
1:06:47 Speaker 05 I definitely think I would want Coca-Cola.
1:06:50 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:06:50 Speaker 05 Like an ice cold Coke.
1:06:52 Speaker 02 Hmm.
1:06:53 Speaker 05 And I also think, and okay, this is actually something I struggled with on the way here and y'all can help me with this, is like, I do want sparkling water. I do want Coke, but I also want champagne.
1:07:04 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:07:05 Speaker 05 And that's insane to have that many sparkling drinks.
1:07:08 Speaker 02 That's so fizzy.
1:07:09 Speaker 05 It's crazy.
1:07:09 Speaker 03 You're gonna be on the ceiling like Charlie Bucket.
1:07:14 Speaker 02 Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?
1:07:15 Speaker 05 Oh, oh, oh, and I played Charlie.
1:07:17 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:07:18 Speaker 05 Yeah, in third grade I played Charlie.
1:07:19 Speaker 02 Did you?
1:07:20 Speaker 03 You did?
1:07:20 Speaker 05 Yeah, in my third grade play.
1:07:23 Speaker 02 Was it at T-Pac?
1:07:24 Speaker 05 No, at my school. But there were, there was like one girl from my school who actually played Helen Keller at T-Pac. That's why I said that, by the way.
1:07:35 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:07:36 Speaker 05 And I was so jealous.
1:07:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, you wanted to play Helen Keller?
1:07:40 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:07:41 Speaker 03 Yeah, I bet you'd have been good at it.
1:07:43 Speaker 05 Thank you. And you get to do like crazy, have you ever seen The Mirror Coroner?
1:07:47 Speaker 02 No.
1:07:48 Speaker 03 No, I've seen clips of it.
1:07:49 Speaker 05 Famous like fight scenes with Annie Sullivan, the teacher who's trying to like tame her.
1:07:54 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:07:55 Speaker 05 That's the play. That's not me.
1:07:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:07:56 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:07:57 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:07:57 Speaker 05 Um, but yeah, it's like, it's, it's wild. There's like crazy fight choreography in it.
1:08:02 Speaker 03 Physical fighting.
1:08:03 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:08:04 Speaker 03 Oh, wow. I've not seen.
1:08:05 Speaker 05 She really resisted for a while there.
1:08:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, but you gotta see the play to find out.
1:08:10 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah. Check it out.
1:08:11 Speaker 03 When you play Charlie Bucket, that's exciting.
1:08:13 Speaker 02 That's the exciting part to play.
1:08:15 Speaker 05 It will, I have to say, no.
1:08:17 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:08:18 Speaker 05 Because it's just like, I, it was too, like, sincere or something. It wasn't funny.
1:08:23 Speaker 02 Right. You wanna be Wonka really, don't you? You wanna be Wonka.
1:08:26 Speaker 05 I wanted to be Wonka. I wanted to be anyone else, honestly. I wanted to be Violet Beauregard.
1:08:31 Speaker 02 Oh, of course.
1:08:31 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
1:08:32 Speaker 05 Or Vrupasol.
1:08:33 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:08:34 Speaker 05 I want to, I want to like have something to do.
1:08:35 Speaker 03 Spoil.
1:08:36 Speaker 05 I didn't wanna be like, da ba da ba da.
1:08:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:08:39 Speaker 05 And I was really kind of paralyzed. I didn't know what to do.
1:08:42 Speaker 02 Who was playing Wonka?
1:08:44 Speaker 05 My, my best friend at the time, Jay.
1:08:46 Speaker 03 Still friends?
1:08:47 Speaker 05 No.
1:08:48 Speaker 03 That, that, that ended.
1:08:49 Speaker 05 That ended then.
1:08:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:08:50 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:08:51 Speaker 03 Yeah, all the other kids are more fun to play.
1:08:53 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:08:54 Speaker 03 Augustus Gloop, Mike TV.
1:08:55 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:08:56 Speaker 03 Violet Beauregard, Vrupasol. You can really get into those characters.
1:09:00 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:09:00 Speaker 02 This is a, an easy thing to say, but if, when we were at school, when we were school age, Gloop, personally, I would have been Gloop. This guy's got Mike TV written all over him.
1:09:09 Speaker 05 Oh, my god.
1:09:10 Speaker 03 I'm not getting cast as anyone else.
1:09:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
1:09:12 Speaker 05 Were you bigger?
1:09:13 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I would have really leant into Gloop.
1:09:17 Speaker 05 Oh, I wanna see pictures.
1:09:19 Speaker 02 Yeah, I can find some.
1:09:20 Speaker 03 Beautiful then, beautiful now.
1:09:21 Speaker 02 Yeah, beautiful baby boy.
1:09:23 Speaker 05 I bet, I bet y'all were so sweet.
1:09:26 Speaker 02 But we didn't do that. We did a production of Oliver. Um, and I played Charlotte, the undertaker's daughter.
1:09:33 Speaker 05 Is that true?
1:09:33 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I went to an all-boys school and I was, you know, I was like, hey.
1:09:38 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:09:39 Speaker 02 I'll play that part.
1:09:40 Speaker 03 Guess. Now, Ben hates guessing games on this podcast, but I'm gonna do it. So you got three guesses. Who played the Artful Dodger in that same production? It's a famous person. It's a musician. You have three guesses.
1:09:51 Speaker 05 Okay, okay, okay. Um, a musician who's British.
1:09:54 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:09:55 Speaker 05 I literally can't think of anyone. A British musician.
1:10:00 Speaker 02 Well, you know, male, and you know male, you know male, because it was all boy school.
1:10:04 Speaker 05 Will you give me a subtle hint? Just help me along a little bit?
1:10:07 Speaker 03 They're in Mumford and Sons.
1:10:10 Speaker 05 That guy, Mumford.
1:10:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:10:12 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
1:10:14 Speaker 02 Yeah, Mumford.
1:10:15 Speaker 03 Well done, first guess.
1:10:16 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:10:17 Speaker 05 Wow.
1:10:17 Speaker 03 Yeah, Mark's mum.
1:10:18 Speaker 05 Do you know him now?
1:10:19 Speaker 02 Yeah, I was cool with him. Yeah, I saw him the other day, actually, but we don't really see a lot of each other.
1:10:23 Speaker 05 Are you?
1:10:23 Speaker 02 No, we ran into each other, you know, celebrity, uh, party.
1:10:27 Speaker 03 Picking pockets.
1:10:29 Speaker 03 Picking pockets as usual.
1:10:31 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:10:32 Speaker 05 It is funny that people do that, that like schools do that show and then like you have the what's her face, you know, like as long as he needs me.
1:10:40 Speaker 02 Yeah, Nancy.
1:10:41 Speaker 05 The and she's like abused, right?
1:10:43 Speaker 02 Yeah, and she's killed. She's killed at the end.
1:10:45 Speaker 05 Oh, my god.
1:10:45 Speaker 02 Bill Sykes kills her at the end and then the police shoot Bill Sykes. It's awful.
1:10:49 Speaker 05 Wow.
1:10:50 Speaker 02 And also like it's a posh school, right? So it's like loads of kids dressed up as workhouse children singing food glorious food.
1:10:56 Speaker 05 That's really funny.
1:10:57 Speaker 02 And they really like none of us had an idea of what they were actually singing about.
1:11:01 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, of course.
1:11:02 Speaker 02 Very well, very well fed boys.
1:11:04 Speaker 05 Yeah, and now and now look at you.
1:11:06 Speaker 02 And now look at me.
1:11:07 Speaker 05 Food podcast.
1:11:08 Speaker 02 Food podcast.
1:11:09 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:11:09 Speaker 02 It all links back.
1:11:10 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:11:11 Speaker 02 And also the, we talked about this on the podcast before, so you can cut this Ben, but I just want John to know, all of the adult roles were played by the teachers.
1:11:18 Speaker 05 That's so funny. That's crazy. Give those to the kids.
1:11:23 Speaker 02 Yes, the best roles.
1:11:24 Speaker 05 That's crazy. Like, I guess we'll do it.
1:11:27 Speaker 02 My maths teacher played Bill Sykes.
1:11:29 Speaker 05 That's insane.
1:11:30 Speaker 02 Mr. Hassan.
1:11:31 Speaker 03 I say keep it in, Ben, because it is funny every time.
1:11:35 Speaker 05 Or else there's gonna be this weird.
1:11:37 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:11:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, exactly. You gotta keep it in.
1:11:39 Speaker 02 The headmaster was Fagan.
1:11:40 Speaker 05 That's.
1:11:41 Speaker 03 I don't think I did know that. I don't think that's come up before. The headmaster being Fagan, that is.
1:11:47 Speaker 02 Nancy was played by the head dinner lady.
1:11:49 Speaker 05 Is that true?
1:11:49 Speaker 02 Yes, that's true.
1:11:50 Speaker 05 That's crazy.
1:11:51 Speaker 03 That one, I I support that.
1:11:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
1:11:53 Speaker 05 Can you imagine being one of the teachers and being in it? And it's like, just I'm just like thinking about getting ready for the show. And and knowing that you're supposed, like it's for the kids, like and you're not supposed to be excited, but actually secretly being so excited to see.
1:12:08 Speaker 02 This is my, this is my moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:12:11 Speaker 05 So embarrassing.
1:12:11 Speaker 03 Talking about it at home to your partner.
1:12:14 Speaker 05 It's whatever. Yeah.
1:12:15 Speaker 03 I'm trying to learn the line. That's one kid playing the undertaker's daughter. And he just doesn't, every time I deliver my lines, he just freezes up.
1:12:23 Speaker 02 I sma- I smashed it, man. I was brilliant.
1:12:25 Speaker 05 I bet you were so good.
1:12:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
1:12:27 Speaker 03 Um, so I think you should have all three of those.
1:12:29 Speaker 05 Okay, thank you. It's kind of weird, but.
1:12:31 Speaker 03 I don't think it's weird.
1:12:32 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:12:32 Speaker 02 This is your dream.
1:12:33 Speaker 05 Thank you, thank you. Ice cold champagne.
1:12:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, a particular champagne?
1:12:39 Speaker 05 I don't really know anything about champagne, but you know, crisp, dry.
1:12:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:12:44 Speaker 05 Ice cold.
1:12:45 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:12:46 Speaker 03 And real pain for your champagne friends?
1:12:47 Speaker 05 And I bet I don't know. I don't know if champagne is dry. Wait, sorry, what did you say?
1:12:52 Speaker 02 My favorite thing is when James does a little joke and no one picks up on it. And you so quickly moved on.
1:12:59 Speaker 05 A real.
1:13:01 Speaker 05 A real pain for my sham friends.
1:13:03 Speaker 03 Do you want champagne for your real friends and real pain for your sham friends?
1:13:08 Speaker 02 Such a shit joke, man.
1:13:09 Speaker 03 It's not a joke, it's a saying. I invented it.
1:13:12 Speaker 02 I think it started as a joke, though.
1:13:14 Speaker 05 That's really a saying.
1:13:15 Speaker 02 I think the saying is supposed to be like, ooh.
1:13:17 Speaker 03 Well, it's a saying that I just know it as a saying that people say. They say champagne for my real friends and real pain for my sham friends. I'm asking you if you would like real pain for your sham friends, Jay, if you're listening.
1:13:31 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:13:31 Speaker 03 Would you like real pain for your sham friends?
1:13:33 Speaker 05 So you're basically, the choice is you're choosing between giving your real friends, you're falling asleep. You're choosing between a reward, a gift for your real friends, or hurting people.
1:13:47 Speaker 03 No, you do both. I'm saying, I'm gonna give people like Claudia champagne because she's your real friend.
1:13:53 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:13:54 Speaker 03 And people like Jay, will you want her?
1:13:56 Speaker 02 Real pain.
1:13:56 Speaker 03 Real pain because he's your sham friend.
1:13:58 Speaker 05 Just like.
1:13:59 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:14:00 Speaker 05 Physical pain.
1:14:00 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's real. Yeah, it could be, however you interpret it, I guess, physical pain or emotional pain.
1:14:06 Speaker 05 I'm giving champagne to my real friends.
1:14:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:14:09 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:14:10 Speaker 05 And, yeah.
1:14:12 Speaker 03 And real pain to your sham friend?
1:14:14 Speaker 05 No, I'm making a choice. I'm just giving champagne.
1:14:18 Speaker 02 You've offered a choice, James.
1:14:20 Speaker 03 I'm saying I'd do both. I'd give like champagne to Ed, who's my real friend.
1:14:24 Speaker 05 Yeah, sweet.
1:14:25 Speaker 03 And real pain to Benito.
1:14:26 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:14:27 Speaker 03 Like it gets put through an industrial fresher or something.
1:14:30 Speaker 05 No.
1:14:32 Speaker 02 What sort of glass do you want the champagne in?
1:14:34 Speaker 03 A real glass?
1:14:35 Speaker 05 Not, not a flute.
1:14:38 Speaker 02 Not a flute, no.
1:14:39 Speaker 05 I just don't, I'm not at a wedding, you know? That being said, I don't know the alternative.
1:14:48 Speaker 02 One of the more bowl-like ones?
1:14:50 Speaker 05 Yeah, maybe just like, actually, yes, just like a wine glass.
1:14:54 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
1:14:55 Speaker 03 I hate all the different glasses. Like, why can't we just have it all in a tumbler in just a normal glass? Like, that is, I love drinking out of a normal glass.
1:15:03 Speaker 05 Okay. I have to laugh because there's a huge reason, actually.
1:15:08 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:15:09 Speaker 05 You know, for something like champagne, you have to have the stem so that your hand isn't warming it up.
1:15:15 Speaker 03 I can't believe I have to tell you that.
1:15:18 Speaker 03 You're the one with the food podcast.
1:15:20 Speaker 02 He thinks olive oil is acid, if you remember.
1:15:23 Speaker 03 Well, if I'm drinking my tumbler of olive oil.
1:15:26 Speaker 03 Well, Hank can't warm that up.
1:15:28 Speaker 02 Also, the shapes of wine glasses are important.
1:15:32 Speaker 05 I didn't know that.
1:15:32 Speaker 02 Cause some of them have like a wide base.
1:15:34 Speaker 03 Queens breasts and this stuff.
1:15:35 Speaker 02 A wide base to aerate and you can get some movement in there, but also then a sort of narrow top sometimes to funnel the sort of aroma and stuff upwards towards the nose, but and keep it within the glass as well.
1:15:48 Speaker 03 No one's ever done that.
1:15:49 Speaker 05 Can you believe they can make, this is similar to like anchovy stuff. Can you believe they can make glass so thin?
1:15:56 Speaker 02 It's mad, isn't it?
1:15:57 Speaker 05 It's crazy. We take, we take all that shit for granted.
1:16:02 Speaker 03 When it is really thin though, like super, super thin.
1:16:05 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:16:06 Speaker 03 All night I'm resisting biting.
1:16:08 Speaker 02 Biting it, yeah.
1:16:09 Speaker 05 That's so funny.
1:16:11 Speaker 03 All night I'm resisting just to.
1:16:12 Speaker 05 I don't think about that, of course, like, cause, cause you think it's gonna taste like sugar a little bit.
1:16:16 Speaker 03 It just, it just seems so tempting, not even the, the way it's gonna taste, just like.
1:16:20 Speaker 05 Texturally.
1:16:21 Speaker 03 It seems so close to breaking.
1:16:23 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
1:16:24 Speaker 03 That I'm like, I'm just like, don't fucking buy it.
1:16:28 Speaker 02 You must have worked with sugar glass before.
1:16:30 Speaker 05 Yes, absolutely.
1:16:32 Speaker 02 That must be crazy cool.
1:16:35 Speaker 05 I think, I think. Genuinely think it's so cool.
1:16:38 Speaker 02 That must be a good day on the set.
1:16:40 Speaker 05 It is, it is.
1:16:42 Speaker 02 In search party, did you have to smash some stuff up? Cause that show went wild, right?
1:16:46 Speaker 05 That shit went wild. I had my hair fall out. I had a rash all over my body. I shit in my pants.
1:16:54 Speaker 05 I got to do such fun stuff, but I don't think I ever did that.
1:17:01 Speaker 03 Your dream dessert, here we are.
1:17:03 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:17:04 Speaker 03 The best one.
1:17:04 Speaker 05 Well, I might need y'all's help.
1:17:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, happily, happily.
1:17:07 Speaker 05 Because I feel like this is actually very British.
1:17:12 Speaker 05 Like, like bread pudding.
1:17:14 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
1:17:14 Speaker 03 Great.
1:17:15 Speaker 05 Right? Is that really British?
1:17:16 Speaker 02 It feels British.
1:17:17 Speaker 05 Yeah, like, cause I, I was, it would almost be too on the nose to come in and say sticky Joffrey pudding. But it's actually texturally not what I want. Yeah. I want bread pudding.
1:17:27 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:17:27 Speaker 05 I want the little occasional moments of like crisp.
1:17:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. Crispy, crispy top.
1:17:32 Speaker 05 Yeah, the little crust.
1:17:34 Speaker 02 Crispy, almost like caramelized sort of on the top as well.
1:17:37 Speaker 05 Yes, cause that's, that's why I get confused, cause I want the caramelization. But I don't necess, I'm, but I don't.
1:17:47 Speaker 05 Necessarily want like butterscotch. So I mean, I love butterscotch. I guess I'm struggling. It's like I want the flavors of sticky toffee pudding, but I want the kind of all the chunks of the bread pudding.
1:17:59 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:17:59 Speaker 05 Yeah, maybe there's some sort of combination we could do.
1:18:01 Speaker 02 Cause you get bread pudding in the States, right? But you would call it bread pudding. Here we would call it bread and butter pudding, I think.
1:18:08 Speaker 03 We do call it that.
1:18:09 Speaker 02 We call it bread pudding as well. It's two different things, actually, isn't it?
1:18:11 Speaker 03 It depends where you go, but like I think bread and butter pudding is more common here.
1:18:14 Speaker 05 What is bread and butter pudding?
1:18:16 Speaker 03 It's pretty much the same.
1:18:17 Speaker 02 It's more like a custard sort of in it. It feels more custardy.
1:18:21 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:18:22 Speaker 03 Might be some raisins in there.
1:18:23 Speaker 05 I love that. I love bread pudding with raisins in it. And then an ice cream.
1:18:30 Speaker 02 Yeah, well, it depends. It's your dream.
1:18:32 Speaker 05 I think you.
1:18:33 Speaker 03 There's a place near me to hear that. What do you think of this?
1:18:35 Speaker 05 As women, we often don't, you know. Um, no, I I would do ice cream. Really hot bread pudding, obviously, fresh out of the oven. Ice cream, you're putting it on, it's slightly melting.
1:18:46 Speaker 03 There's a place near me that does deep fried bread and butter pudding with cold custard. What do you think about that?
1:18:52 Speaker 05 Deep fried? Like as in like in a?
1:18:54 Speaker 03 They do, but it's not like crazy. Like it's.
1:18:58 Speaker 05 Are they? Are they putting some sort of crust around it? Like a or batter?
1:19:02 Speaker 03 No.
1:19:03 Speaker 05 Okay, well, that, okay, good.
1:19:05 Speaker 03 So it is like just a very crispy on the outside.
1:19:07 Speaker 05 I bet it's so good.
1:19:08 Speaker 03 It is so good.
1:19:09 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:19:10 Speaker 02 You look really horrified.
1:19:11 Speaker 03 You did look horrified.
1:19:12 Speaker 05 I know because you know what I was, you know why? It's because of when people do like deep fried Oreos or something and there's like a batter around it and then they.
1:19:18 Speaker 02 You're from the south.
1:19:20 Speaker 05 I know, I know, I know.
1:19:22 Speaker 02 I've, you know, when I went, uh, chicken fried steak.
1:19:26 Speaker 05 I know.
1:19:26 Speaker 02 I saw that on menus a lot.
1:19:27 Speaker 05 It's so crazy.
1:19:28 Speaker 02 And then I saw something called chicken fried chicken, which didn't make sense to me at all.
1:19:32 Speaker 05 They're being cute.
1:19:33 Speaker 02 They're being cute. Okay.
1:19:34 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:19:34 Speaker 02 But they prepare the chicken like it's a steak and then fry it like it's chicken.
1:19:40 Speaker 05 Wait, how did, okay, so they're like.
1:19:42 Speaker 02 Chicken fried steak is like steak, but with like.
1:19:45 Speaker 05 Steak that's like pounded out like schnitzel.
1:19:47 Speaker 02 Round it out and then like battered and deep fried.
1:19:49 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:19:49 Speaker 02 But then I guess chicken fried chicken is like pounding out the chicken like you're preparing it like it's chicken fried steak, but then frying it like it's chicken.
1:19:58 Speaker 05 Isn't that just back around to being schnitzel again?
1:20:01 Speaker 02 I think it is.
1:20:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was like it.
1:20:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, but they call it chicken fried chicken.
1:20:05 Speaker 05 You had that in in America.
1:20:07 Speaker 02 No, I just saw it on a menu.
1:20:08 Speaker 05 Oh.
1:20:08 Speaker 03 And you never forgot it.
1:20:09 Speaker 02 Never forgot it. Think about it every day.
1:20:11 Speaker 05 Crazy, that's crazy.
1:20:12 Speaker 02 Rent pudding.
1:20:13 Speaker 03 But but a bit caramelly.
1:20:16 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:20:16 Speaker 03 With some ice cream.
1:20:17 Speaker 05 But caramelly and like I don't like, I guess I don't know enough about it. It's like you're achieving a caramel flavor. But not from pouring a caramel sauce on it.
1:20:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, I guess it's like a sugar top, right?
1:20:29 Speaker 05 Yeah, that caramelizes naturally in the oven.
1:20:33 Speaker 02 But you know, this is your dream. Maybe you put a tiny little jug of butterscotch sauce on the side for you and then you can just.
1:20:38 Speaker 03 Dip it.
1:20:39 Speaker 02 Dip and add.
1:20:39 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:20:40 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
1:20:40 Speaker 03 And you want raisins in there as well.
1:20:42 Speaker 05 And well, now I'm confused. I don't know, man.
1:20:45 Speaker 02 This is where we like to get guests to.
1:20:49 Speaker 05 A state of total confusion.
1:20:50 Speaker 02 Confusion, just tired, you've really been through it. You never want to eat food again. You will hate all these foods now.
1:20:57 Speaker 05 No, that's not true. I could never. Do you think my meal is good?
1:21:02 Speaker 03 Well, let's see. I'm gonna lead it back to you now and.
1:21:05 Speaker 05 Stop! Stop it!
1:21:09 Speaker 03 You would like sparkling water.
1:21:10 Speaker 05 Let me see.
1:21:12 Speaker 02 No, that's magic. That's junior magic.
1:21:14 Speaker 03 You would like homemade sourdough. You would like your own homemade crustini with butter, anchovy, shallot, parsley, lemon juice and parmesan. Main course, you want.
1:21:23 Speaker 05 This is a trick.
1:21:24 Speaker 03 The Thomas Keller roast chicken with aioli and chimichurri and a wedge of lemon. Side dish, a sliced tomato with salt, pepper and olive oil, duck fat potatoes with chicken salt.
1:21:34 Speaker 05 Is it really?
1:21:35 Speaker 03 A rougarde salad, big from the barb.
1:21:42 Speaker 05 Thomas side.
1:21:45 Speaker 05 I thought it was pepper.
1:21:48 Speaker 03 It would be good if it was. Benny was a magician. He could have done that. He knows how to do that trick.
1:21:52 Speaker 02 That is so funny, man. That's the most.
1:21:55 Speaker 03 That is the most that anyone's ever been. Like, I have to see that. I can't. I can't not know how.
1:22:03 Speaker 02 Happened.
1:22:07 Speaker 05 No one's ever grabbed it.
1:22:08 Speaker 02 No, no, no.
1:22:09 Speaker 03 No one's ever grabbed it.
1:22:10 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:22:10 Speaker 03 No one's ever been like, no, stop talking. I have to know how this is being done. Have you ever been to the Magic Castle? You get kicked out in seconds.
1:22:17 Speaker 05 I actually was like, you are such a good performer.
1:22:21 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:22:22 Speaker 05 That you you are remembering.
1:22:23 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:22:24 Speaker 03 Memoized.
1:22:24 Speaker 05 And you're like, really committing to like staring looking down with your eyes.
1:22:29 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:22:29 Speaker 05 I was really impressed.
1:22:30 Speaker 03 That would be good.
1:22:31 Speaker 05 Oh.
1:22:32 Speaker 03 Maybe I've got to do that.
1:22:33 Speaker 05 Y'all really got me. This is crazy. Do do people know it's an iPad?
1:22:37 Speaker 03 No, they don't know.
1:22:39 Speaker 05 Oh, I'm sorry. Are you?
1:22:40 Speaker 02 No, but we love that.
1:22:41 Speaker 03 Oh, no, no, no, the listeners, they can know. That's fine. But I thought you meant guests.
1:22:45 Speaker 02 We love that you were so into it and so wowed by it. A lot of guests just like, a lot of guests.
1:22:49 Speaker 05 Don't want to ruin it for your listeners.
1:22:50 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:22:50 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I I've ruined it on other episodes before by going, oh, he's he's typed this in wrong. He's still typing it now.
1:22:57 Speaker 05 Okay, okay.
1:22:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's fine.
1:22:58 Speaker 02 Also, when we do the show live, that's that's how we do it.
1:23:01 Speaker 05 It's sent.
1:23:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, and then James once logged into the wrong thing and ended up playing a Lewis Capaldi video. So they know.
1:23:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, they know.
1:23:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:23:10 Speaker 03 And you want ice cold Coca Cola and uh.
1:23:13 Speaker 05 Did you give it potatoes, tomatoes?
1:23:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:23:15 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was what you were grabbing.
1:23:17 Speaker 03 You you you were losing your mind during that bit, so you won't remember any of that.
1:23:23 Speaker 03 A really dry champagne as well.
1:23:24 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:23:25 Speaker 03 And for dessert, like a sticky toffee butterscotch flavored bread and butter pudding with cold ice cream. With some raisins.
1:23:31 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:23:32 Speaker 03 Yeah. Feel good?
1:23:34 Speaker 05 I I still feel a little confused about my own dessert, but like, that's not, that's that's my fault. That's not y'all.
1:23:40 Speaker 03 I think it'll be good.
1:23:40 Speaker 02 It is a great menu.
1:23:41 Speaker 05 Oh, thank you.
1:23:42 Speaker 02 And you know, you know what it says to me? Quality and simplicity.
1:23:45 Speaker 05 Thank you. I'm actually proud of the simplicity.
1:23:48 Speaker 02 Hmm, yeah. That the anchovy thing.
1:23:50 Speaker 05 Wait, you guys? Oh, my God, I literally skipped the most important thing. I'm just gonna say it really fast. I, this is crazy. The Martha Stewart mac and cheese.
1:24:01 Speaker 02 Oh.
1:24:02 Speaker 05 So I know you're thinking, bread pudding and mac and cheese. What? Like, this is so, but the Martha Stewart mac and cheese is unbelievable. Add it to the iPad.
1:24:13 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
1:24:13 Speaker 05 And then, because and and so and whatever, there's fresh grated nutmeg in it. You're using really quality cheeses for the bechamel.
1:24:21 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:24:22 Speaker 05 And on top, you do these croutons, whatever. I made it. I used.
1:24:27 Speaker 03 Japanese milk bread.
1:24:29 Speaker 05 For the croutons and it was out of this world. And that is like literally to me, the most important part of the whole meal. And I can't believe I left it out.
1:24:37 Speaker 03 Wow.
1:24:38 Speaker 02 Well, no, that's good because we're ending on it. So this will be the memory that most people will have is the Martha Stewart mac and cheese.
1:24:42 Speaker 05 Yes. And you can look up the recipe.
1:24:47 Speaker 02 I really hope people watch this one. If you're listening, I hope you go, go and watch it.
1:24:51 Speaker 05 Yeah, I was throwing to the camera.
1:24:53 Speaker 02 John's doing a lot of good stuff down the camera.
1:24:55 Speaker 03 A lot of good facial stuff.
1:24:56 Speaker 02 Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much, John.
1:24:58 Speaker 05 Thank you, guys. It was so fun.
1:25:05 Speaker 02 Well, there we are, James. That was a lot of fun.
1:25:07 Speaker 03 Fantastic. Thank you so much, John.
1:25:09 Speaker 02 Thank you, John. That was so much fun. And I would say, if you've listened to this, go and watch it as well.
1:25:14 Speaker 03 Yeah, watch the, watch it on YouTube. This episode, John is.
1:25:17 Speaker 02 He's so funny.
1:25:19 Speaker 03 Like so many faces that were making me laugh.
1:25:22 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:25:22 Speaker 03 Like, I just would laugh so much at John's facial expressions.
1:25:26 Speaker 02 Right down the camera as well.
1:25:28 Speaker 03 Real good stuff.
1:25:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, really good. And John didn't say oat milk.
1:25:32 Speaker 03 So we can tell you that eternity will be in cinemas from December the 5th.
1:25:36 Speaker 02 Yes, it will be.
1:25:37 Speaker 03 Probably would have told you that anyway, but like.
1:25:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:25:39 Speaker 03 Maybe we didn't have to kick John out of the dream restaurant.
1:25:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, which was good. Yes.
1:25:43 Speaker 03 Although I nearly kicked him out for grabbing my iPad.
1:25:45 Speaker 02 He grabbed the iPad at the end. I mean, hopefully go and watch that as well. That was amazing. He was so frustrated that he didn't know how it was done.
1:25:51 Speaker 03 It was like, I really did feel like a magician.
1:25:54 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
1:25:55 Speaker 03 I was like, I'm blowing his mind.
1:25:56 Speaker 02 And because you've got a smart jacket on today.
1:25:58 Speaker 03 That's probably why he thought it was magic.
1:25:59 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:26:00 Speaker 03 So I'm dressed smarter than usual. It's like, this must be.
1:26:03 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:26:04 Speaker 03 A magician.
1:26:05 Speaker 02 This guy's a, this guy's a dapper, a dapper trickster.
1:26:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
1:26:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:26:09 Speaker 03 A dapper trickster.
1:26:10 Speaker 02 Uh, don't forget to check out the Patreon for Flicking the Bean with Edwin Coffey and the Great Unboxito.
1:26:15 Speaker 03 Yep. Get on that. You can watch both of those.
1:26:18 Speaker 02 And that was the last episode of the series, James.
1:26:20 Speaker 03 It was. Um, so au revoir to series fourteen.
1:26:24 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:26:25 Speaker 03 But beyond the new to, uh, series, I guess fifteen.
1:26:30 Speaker 02 Christmas specials first.
1:26:31 Speaker 03 Which is coming up. And there are two incredible Christmas specials with guests that it blows my mind.
1:26:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, two great guests and two great guests you never hear about together.
1:26:42 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's the only clue you get.
1:26:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:26:43 Speaker 03 You would never hear about these two people together.
1:26:46 Speaker 02 And they're not together because they're separate episodes, but and there'll be best ofs as well, James.
1:26:50 Speaker 03 The only episodes you need to listen to every year.
1:26:52 Speaker 02 That's for you when you're cleaning your house.
1:26:53 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:26:54 Speaker 02 Thank you very much for listening to this series. We will see you at Christmas time. Bye bye.
1:26:59 Speaker 03 Goodbye.
1:27:14 Speaker 00 I've got big news. I switched to Verizon and got the new iPhone eighteen Pro. Shh. I can keep my old phone and I also get the latest iPhone every year. Shh, anything else? Verizon let me choose Apple Watch Series twelve or iPad on them.
1:27:27 Speaker 01 Everybody listen up.
1:27:28 Speaker 00 Shh. Switch to Verizon and get the new iPhone eighteen Pro now. No trade in needed. And the latest iPhone every year with Simplicity Plan. Plus, choose Apple Watch Series twelve or iPad on us. Simplicity Plan with Simplicity Pro required. Plan and device payment purchase are separate agreements with separate terms. Service plan for Watch or iPad required. Additional terms apply for all offers.
Previous Kunal Nayyar Next Chris McCausland (Christmas Special) Page updated November 1, 2026 · transcript and summary are machine-generated