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Meshell Ndegeocello

Norah Jones Is Playing Along

48m
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Norah Jones welcomes singer, songwriter, bassist, and producer Meshell Ndegeocello for a special episode featuring intimate musical performances and wide-ranging conversations. The guest explains how she transitioned from writing on guitar during her first year of sobriety to collaborating with producer Craig Street on her acclaimed third album Bitter, and shares the story of acquiring a broken bass from a guitar store in the Chelsea Hotel that supposedly belonged to Jaco Pastorius. Throughout the session, the host and the guest perform stripped-down versions of songs including "Bitter," Curtis Mayfield's "Power to the People," and selections from the guest's James Baldwin tribute project, "No More Water." They also discuss their upbringings, religious backgrounds, the complexities of viewing the world without genre or political divisions, and finding empathy in turbulent times.

  • When facing creative blocks or difficult production environments, returning to basics and collaborating with trusted friends can help salvage a project. 8:32
  • Singing and playing bass simultaneously can create a creative contradiction between the insular focus of a bassist and the audience engagement required of a singer. 15:21
  • Listening broadly to music from bluegrass to jazz helps dissolve rigid genre categories and reveals that songs are simply sound waves. 18:16
  • Cultivating empathy for everyone, including soldiers and figures on all sides of conflicts, is essential as we age and seek to understand human violence. 25:38

Chapters

  1. 0:00
    Podcast Intro and Host Greeting

    The episode opens with the host, Nora Jones, introducing herself and the format, mentioning the guest and the music project.

  2. 1:35
    Introduction of Michelle and Daggy Ocello

    Nora introduces the guest, Grammy‑winning bassist and producer Michelle and Daggy Ocello, and highlights her current James Baldwin tribute project.

  3. 2:56
    Musical Roles and Creative Process

    Michelle explains how she separates her bass and vocal roles and shares insights into her creative approach and past collaborations.

  4. 3:30
    Musical Collaboration and Song Selection

    The hosts and guest discuss the songs they will play together, including “Bitter” and “Power to the People,” and the process of choosing tracks.

  5. 7:31
    Personal History and Influences

    Michelle recounts her early career, relationships with producers like Craig Street, and how her experiences shaped her music.

  6. 9:19
    Touring and Performance Reflections

    Michelle shares her touring experiences, the emotional impact of performing, and her thoughts on the audience’s reception.

  7. 13:00
    Closing Reflections and Thank You

    The episode concludes with gratitude, final remarks, and a recap of the songs played during the session.

  8. 33:40
    Exploring Identity, Race, and Spirituality

    The conversation turns to Michelle’s views on identity, religion, and spirituality, reflecting on her upbringing and beliefs.

Highlights

  • 7:31

    Producing Bitter After Flamesstory

    The guest explains how her third album began with another producer and went up in flames, leaving her with a dollar left before she called Craig Street.

  • 11:37

    Meeting at New Bluestory

    The host and guest reminisce about meeting about twenty-five years ago when the host played in Ilhan's band Wax Poetic at New Blue.

  • 15:06

    Contradiction of Bass and Voiceinsight

    The guest contrasts her experience playing bass, which requires complete insular focus, with singing, which requires engaging an audience.

  • 16:24

    Acquiring Jaco's Broken Bassstory

    The guest describes finding a broken bass in a guitar store near the Chelsea Hotel that a store clerk claimed belonged to Jaco Pastorius.

  • 21:43

    Power to the People Performanceinsight

    The host and guest deliver an emotionally charged duet of Curtis Mayfield's classic civil rights anthem "Power to the People."

  • 34:53

    Reconciling Nihilism and Faithinsight

    The guest shares how adopting a worldview of absolute nothingness led her to a dark nihilism, prompting her to search for a balanced middle way.

Quotes

  • “She has been a pioneering voice since the 90s until now.”
    Unnamed speaker · 1:50
  • “I don't think in genre.”
    Unnamed speaker · 18:22
  • “I was just like, oh, my God, you're so cool.”
    Unnamed speaker · 9:51
  • Granger 0:13–0:33
  • Before the Moment 12:25–13:12
  • Toyota 13:19–13:52
  • Before the Moment 32:07–33:01
  • Toyota 33:08–33:39
  • Before the Moment 42:31–43:22
  • Toyota 43:01–43:57
  • Toyota 53:45–54:21
  • Before the Moment 54:24–54:55
  • Chase Freedom Flex 55:00–55:35
  • Food Lion 55:42–56:12

About this episode

GRAMMY-winning singer, songwriter, bassist, and producer Meshell Ndegeocello has built a singular career and left a lasting influence on generations of artists.

Transcript

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Topics

  • Music Production
  • Songwriting
  • Bass Guitar
  • Civil Rights
  • Faith and Spirituality
  • Sobriety
  • Jazz and Soul

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