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Margo Price joins Norah to talk about her journey, her inspirations, and to reflect on how expansive and diverse the country music world is today.
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Hey there, I'm Norah Jones, and today I'm playing along with Margo Price.
I'm just playing along with you.
Hi, welcome to the show. This is Playing Along, and I'm your host, Norah Jones. With me as always is Sarah Oda.
Thank you for having me.
Hello.
Welcome back. Welcome back.
We're back.
We're back. This is our doubleheader first week.
It is a doubleheader.
New episodes. We also have an episode out this week with Black Pumas, and we decided to make it a twofer, and we're also doing this amazing episode with Margo Price.
Our guest today, Margo Price, she's one of the boldest, most honest voices out there in the modern country world. She is Grammy nominated. She's a total powerhouse. Her debut album Midwest Farmer's Daughter came out in 2016, and now she has a total of five albums out, including her latest project called Hard-Headed Woman, which just came out this past August. And you might hear some music from that later.
You will hear some music from that later. I'm teasing it. Oh, sorry. I'm like, what? That's what we're here for, is to play music and hang out and talk. And she's just so fun. We had such a good time. Yep. You guys talk about some of her inspirations, sort of how she got her start in music, the vastness of country music and how it's evolved over time. You're going to learn about her signature guitar and lots of good music, as always. Yep. Please enjoy. We have so much fun doing this episode. And I think you're gonna love it. Enjoy the episode with Margo Price. Enjoy. This episode is also available as video on YouTube. You can visit Norah Jones' channel and be sure to subscribe while you're there.
There is some spicy language in this episode, so listener discretion is advised. It's not that bad, but just so you know, it's there.
I was gonna get my boot going. We have a little boot on the recording. We'll see if I can stay in time with myself. I like your boots. Thank you.
One, two, three, four.
Nowhere is where
1999 I was speeding down that gravel road Past the Mercer County line Past the Mercer County line
On your way down Won't you pick me up? If there's room enough And you've got gas in the truck
If you're going nowhere, I could use a ride
Point the headlights south and drive
Thoughts go to long Between the combine clouds and the waves of doubt And the miles and miles of corn
And the miles and miles of corn
Turn the headlights off and turn the radio on. We'll be good as gone when the sun comes up.
Till the highway stops and the wheels fall and the engine runs.
Till the pavement burns and tomorrow turns into a blaze of glory.
Got no regrets, light a cigarette, rewrite the story.
On your way down, won't you pick me up? If there's room enough and you've got gas in the truck.
If you're going nowhere, I could use a ride.
Turn the headlights off and drive.
Nice.
Sounded so good.
It was great. That's such a great song.
Thank you.
I really love this song.
Yeah, I wrote it with Jeremy and also this really wonderful writer named Morgan Nagler.
I've written with her a couple of times and she's just got a great lyrical sensibility. She's actually putting out some of her own music. But she's written a lot with Jenny Lewis and Phoebe Bridgers.
Okay.
Yeah.
I don't really know anybody down in Nashville. She's sort of...
She lives in LA.
I'm trying to think how I met her. I don't know. She knows Jonathan Wilson and...
Okay, cool. I know that kind of...
Yeah, I think she lived out there in Topanga Canyon, on his property for a while.
Oh, fine.
But she's, yeah, she's great. She kind of helped that one come together. I was having like trouble with the phrasing of the tagline. And then the end, the end part was really fun. We kind of wrote that together.
It's fun and it's deceptive. There's like some, it's simple, but it's got some turns that you don't expect.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, thank you for.
I like it. And the words are just so, they feel very, you know, straight from the heart.
Oh, thank you.
You know? Where are you from? Are you from the heartland?
Yeah, I am, as you could tell. Talking about corn when you sing about corn.
Exactly.
Yeah, I'm from a little town in the Midwest. It's called Alito, Illinois.
And it's got like 3,000 people in it.
Wow, that's tiny.
It is really tiny. And my parents lived in the country. We didn't live in the town. And actually, the closest town near us was called Hamlet. And it was just like a mile up the road the other way. The bigger town was five miles away. But it has a sign that still says like, Hamlet, population 34.
Oh, my God. That's great.
Yeah. So this song kind of feels desolate like that.
Yeah, I can, I can kind of picture it.
Did you, did you grow up with a big family?
So I have two younger sisters and, and like lots of cousins and stuff.
Okay. That's a little less desolate if you're out in the, down the sticks.
Yeah, yeah. I had my sisters to play with and we spent most of our time kind of outside and like making forts in the woods and.
That's so fun.
Yeah, it was, it was idyllic. I mean, definitely had to get out of there, but I like to, I like to go back and really just like shut down. There's, my parents like.
They're all there?
Yeah, yeah. My, my like childhood home is, is still there. My, my parents still have it. And I go back and there's, they don't have any like internet service at their house.
Really?
It's really bad.
Even now?
You could go to like one spot in the house or like kind of work. So they still have a landline and yeah.
That's fun.
It is fun.
It's.
It's probably good for your kids to go visit.
It really is. We go out there and just like ride ATVs and. I don't know, go break into abandoned buildings and stuff.
Fun things that we used to do in the 90s.
Yeah. I feel like now you have to curate that kind of childhood.
Really you do.
Yeah, there's a whole movement.
I think.
I like taking the devices away from my kids and I'm like, go do something dangerous outside.
Climb a tree.
I know. Just climb the tree.
Just.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, just get outside.
I have a friend who is raising his kids like it's the 90s.
Like very intentionally.
I love that.
They don't have streaming TV even. They do, they have like a thousand DVDs and.
Fun.
It's kind of like that, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I grew up with no cable. My grandma had cable, so after school we would hang at her house and I would like watch Nickelodeon and so I could keep up with my friends.
That's good.
You know, I'd like watch MTV and stuff. But at my house, we had five channels and I never had a Nintendo. I never had a Sega or any of the video game like consoles that people had. I just wasn't very good at them.
So it was kind of nice that.
Well, it's hard to be good at them when you're not playing them all the time.
Yeah, exactly. I don't know, I just did things like, I don't know, I read a lot of books and yeah, like I said, just riding around on like four wheelers and.
It's great.
It sounds awesome.
Smoking cigarettes and drinking beers, you know, the things that people used to do.
Were you, did you leave home pretty, pretty immediately?
I was ready to get out of there.
Where did you go?
I went to school in Chicago for two years at Northern Illinois University. And then just was like, I have got to get out of the Midwest. I had a cousin who lived in Nashville and I went to visit her on spring break. And I really wanted to move to New York or Los Angeles, but my parents were like, oh, you'll never be able to drive in the cities, too far away, it's too dangerous. They were right, probably.
You don't have to though.
I guess, yeah, in L.A. you can drive.
Yeah, in L.A. you kind of have to drive, but. So yeah, I moved to Nashville at the age of 20.
Wow.
It was right around the time that Johnny Cash died.
That being a big deal, but been there ever since.
Better or worse? Yeah.
Seems like it's gone great.
Yeah, I have a lot of great friends there and I mean, I do love going out and like being able to see music. I would love to live in New York at some point.
I mean, it's great, but it's hard to, I feel like it would be hard to move here after your mid twenties somehow.
Yes, because you have to like.
The quality of life is just so different.
You have to like acclimate with it.
Yeah. But I don't know. It's great.
I would love to live in a city like Nashville that's still a city, but not too small.
Yeah, but I can't, I'm from Texas. I can't do the heat anymore.
Oh, it's so hot in Texas.
Yeah, I can't.
What, what town in Texas?
I'm from Dallas.
Oh, sweet.
Yeah, I don't, I think Houston hates me. Dallas likes me.
That's funny. I don't feel like Dallas likes me.
Yeah, I feel like I always have a hard time.
That's crazy because you're from there.
I know. Maybe it's too like loaded for me, but I feel like the audiences, I'm confused by it. I don't know who my audience is there. I'm sure they're nice people. I just don't, I, I don't know.
Yeah. I like Austin, of course.
It's so fun.
Yeah, anytime I go to Texas, I can just stay in Austin the whole time or in like San Antonio and like Hill Country and all that area is my favorite.
Mine too.
Do you play locally in Nashville ever? Like just do little, you know, sneak out gigs or anything like that?
I have been recently. I was like, I have got to get back in the local scene here. Like it's so easy.
It's fun to do that.
It really is.
If you have the opportunity and you're in a town like that, I feel like.
Yeah, I love going to all the little dive bars. There's like Bobby's Idle Hour is kind of like down in like Music Row area, but it's been there forever and it's got just like this local crowd town. It's a townie bar. They're there to listen. They're like really engaged. So I went and kind of like. Would shopped a couple tunes there.
Probably like six months ago. Where else did I play? Santa's Pub. I don't know if you've ever been there.
I don't know anything in Nashville.
It's a trailer and it's like decorated like Christmas. Twenty, twenty-four, seven, three, sixty-five and you can do karaoke.
Karaoke there.
That sounds like my dream.
Yes, you should, you should go do karaoke next time you're in Nashville.
That would be fun.
People would flip out.
And then this little bar opened, Skinny Dennis, that's in Brooklyn. There's one in Nashville now.
Oh, really? Oh, cool. I didn't know that.
It's great. It's got a huge dance floor and I've popped up there like three times. Just since they've opened in the last couple of months.
And when there's dancing, there's just something, it's just feels old school.
And it's so rare now.
Man, I know. It's such a lost art.
I feel like people used to meet their partners that way, meet their spouses that way. That's one thing I do love about Texas is that everybody, it seems like people there are very serious about their two-stepping, very serious about their...
I've had some good two-stepping in Texas for sure. I don't really know what's open anymore, you know?
But some good nights off, that's for sure.
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You want to try another song?
Let's do it. What should we do next?
Well, I was thinking we could do this super fun one that I think you just, just put it out. Don't Let the Bastards Get You Down. This is a good one.
Let's do it. Thanks for printing out all my lyrics.
Oh, yeah.
I've been doing this one live a lot.
Yeah, okay.
And my, I have somebody who sings harmonies with me on it, so I have to sing them right. And I've been like, okay. Businessman, you know, you start going through it in your mind, like trying to pound it in there until it becomes just muscle memory.
Looking forward to that.
This one's so fun. I just wanted to sing harmony on like the whole thing. But I'm gonna try to refrain.
Do you want to sing any like verses or anything?
I could, but I feel like I almost would rather do a harmony on that. Is that cool?
Sing anywhere you want.
All right, all right.
You have such a great voice.
Just gonna go all over. Yeah, all your songs are just, they're just so like harmony friendly.
Oh.
I have like, have.
I had a band that didn't really like sing a lot of harmonies. My last band and I just started working with a new group of musicians after being with the same people for like 10, some of them 13 years. And everybody in this new band, they're like great singers.
That's great.
And so it's kind of like a new, it's so fun to sing harmonies.
Yeah, your band, you have like, I know one, it's Sasha.
You know Sasha Dobson, yeah, she said to say hi.
Oh, awesome.
Y'all have great harmonies.
Yeah, you know, I've always had people in my band who sang, but I've never had dedicated harmony singers. Sasha plays guitar as well and Sammy Stevens plays some keys as well, but they're really like, it's super harmony strong right now, which has been so fun.
Yeah, it adds like a whole other element, because I feel like, you know, on my records I'll have harmonies everywhere. And then live, I'll be like, am someone gonna sing that harmony?
Nobody?
Well, then the audience gets to chime in.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the guy who, well Rodney Crowe sang on this recording.
It's just like so fun. You can really hear him on the, all the cocaine in existence.
Oh, yeah, okay.
Keep those out of my business, you can really hear Rodney's voice good on that.
And then I've got this other guy singing with me who's now in my band and his name's Logan Ledger. And he's just got a voice like George Jones, like he's just got one of the best voices ever.
That's nice.
So I've suckered him into coming in and being like on a bunch of tracks on the record. And then I was like, do you want to be in my band for a while?
So I roped him in.
It's fun to change it up. It can be hard, but it's, it's fun, evolving, ever evolving.
It is, full of changes.
Okay, let's do this.
I had to warm up, my hands are like, wait a second, I should be able to play that.
I was talking to Jim James about like some stretching and some things. Because I feel like I always stretch really abrasively and I'm always popping things. And he said that he had somebody that was getting him to do these more like. Fluid things with his hands.
I can just picture him doing that.
I know, right?
It's perfect.
He's doing tai chi or something.
Yeah, he's totally doing tai chi. But, uh. So funny.
I, I feel that. I've, I've had a massage therapist that works specifically on some of these tendons in my arms.
Oh, wow.
Because it's like, you know, you're holding your body in weird unnatural positions. You play guitar as well, so.
I do, but not a lot. And I feel like this tour I just did, the piano, I think I just, maybe I'm too stiff or something.
Oh, my gosh, yeah.
I got a little, I'm like, whoa, I'm getting old.
So piano was your first instrument?
And then, when did you start playing guitar?
I actually started playing with Sasha.
Probably after my second record, she booked a pool hall gig and she's like, do you want to learn to play guitar with me? And I said, sure.
And we would just go play and suck until we got better.
That's, that's how it goes.
It was so fun.
Yeah, piano was my first instrument, but I, I had this teacher I loved and then she moved away. And then I got this other teacher and she was like really strict and I didn't vibe with her as much. And then I picked up the guitar on my own.
I wish I had stuck with the piano sometimes a little bit more.
Do you still play?
I like to write on it.
Do you write?
Yeah. I think that's the best when you're a little limited.
You know?
Yeah. Yeah, it's a good starting instrument for sure. I've been sitting my daughter at it.
We put little pieces of tape all over the piano and then you can just remember where the notes are.
She's bringing him a minor key version of Twinkle Twinkle the other day.
Because he took the tape off.
She's dark.
And then it went like, it's like, whoa, that's really cool.
She's gone.
Okay, let's do this here.
All right.
Yeah, we got it.
I got it.
There's a new town coming my way On this never-ending highway I miss my baby's birthday Feeling sorry in the worst way It seems I'm always losing For another life they're choosing They make you go the distance Till you lose your own existence
Don't let the bastards get you down Don't let 'em sell your heart and steal your life Make sure there's no next time around
Don't let the bastards get you down
From Aberdeen to Austin St. Augustine to Boston We ain't about to get there To those who just can't live there They wanna wear your rhinestones Man, they ain't got the backbone Them stone-napped sons of bitches They not know your rights and rights Don't let the bastards get you down
Don't let 'em beat you up and bruise your pride
Don't give yourselves to common clowns Don't let the bastards get you down
Take one!
When your dreams are coming out of me You wake up down from nowhere Too poor to pay attention Too far in few dimension Dudes looking down their noses Thinking bullshit smells like roses But all the cocaine in existence Couldn't keep their nose out of my business
Don't let the bastards get you down.
Don't sell your heart to no businessman. Make sure to find next time around.
Keep all them haters underground. Don't let the bastards get you down. Yeah.
Great harmonies. Oh my gosh, come on tour with me.
Oh my god, I think it's my dream to just like be harmony singer.
I love, yeah, it's something that I've like had to get better at.
Yeah, it's not natural for everyone.
Yeah, yeah, especially when you're singing lead typically, but I did enjoy singing like second soprano and alto parts like in choir.
In church?
Yeah, like school choir and you know, I sang, we went to church, I sang in church a bit too. But yeah, what about you? What was your like?
My gateway?
Yeah, what was your gateway?
Definitely church in the beginning, yeah. My mom just told me this funny story, which I did not know. She said that, because I used to get all the solos, I was like five and six. And my mom said to me, she said, "It's not because you were a good singer yet, it's because you you enunciated." And she kept giving you the solos. And so I went up to her and I told her to stop giving you the solos. She told me this story last week and I was like, "What? Why?"
Why would you tell her?
She said, "Because I think every parent wants to see their kid in the front doing the solo and she should spread it around and you were getting a big head."
Oh my gosh, I love that.
I thought that was so funny. Are there videos of you singing?
There's a video of me like maybe seven and it was um, it was like a program, like a theater. It was a church thing, but it wasn't like a full choir, but um,
I had a solo and there was a microphone hanging from the rafters.
It was like, you know, five feet above me. It wasn't, it was just kind of to pick it up. And the entire video, I'm like stretching and I'm craning my neck and I'm staring at the microphone because I just want at it.
Cute.
Oh, I love that. But, but so you went to church growing up and you uh,
Yeah, yeah, I sang in church, but like I also, yeah, sang in choir and I had the same choir teacher from the age of sixth grade all the way through to senior year.
Oh wow.
And um, she was incredible. She taught me how to like sight read and you know, I did jazz choir. I did show choir and um, but she did not, she never gave me solos.
She didn't. She, and then she also wouldn't give me any ensembles or duets because she said my voice did not blend.
What?
She's probably right. My voice is very like waspy.
That's so funny. And does she come to your shows now? Is she still around?
She has shared some things. I think she's been like, oh, you know, taught her everything she knows. You're like, oh, she was like Judge Judy. She was so mean.
That's so funny.
Yeah. And then I had another, um, my mom got me like a vocal coach that was, um, we had to drive 45 minutes to get to her. Her name was Sue Clark and she was even more mean and even more knowledgeable though. She was like, taught me like mezzo soprano, like Italian style singing.
Yeah, she was, she was really great.
So you've really done it. Really?
Did you just love to sing?
I did.
I just loved it so much. I feel like I tried out for a show choir in like fourth grade and had to sing some like Christmas song and I was practicing it and I remember my mom and my grandma like coming in the room and they were like, was that you? Like, we didn't know you could sing like that. And then from that point on, I was just like, Always trying. I got my first guitar at like the age of 12 and I was always making up my own songs and recording them on my boombox.
That's cool.
On little cassette tapes and stuff.
That's good that you were writing that early.
I didn't really know to do that.
You write so much garbage.
Yeah, when you do start writing.
You gotta get the garbage out to get to the good, right?
I didn't start writing until I was like 20 and I moved to New York, really.
Wow, so fun.
What were you listening to at that age? Like what was in your house?
So, yeah, my, my mother listened to like, just kind of like pop radio, you know, whatever was like popular at the time. My dad liked oldies, so he always had on like classic rock.
And then my grandparents loved country music and so I would hear that like via them. You know, I was into like a lot of rap and stuff when I was like
in junior high, you know, I wanted to listen to like what was popular, but I also
That was the time.
Yes, I mean, I loved Fiona Apple's like record. I remember that coming out when I was in like sixth or seventh grade and also like Jewel's first album, Pieces of You, I really, I loved that and Lucinda Williams and Gillian Welsh. I remember when your album came out, I was waitressing in Nashville.
My first waitressing job and it would be on all the time.
Crazy.
Loved your records too.
It feels like yesterday, you know? It's crazy.
Yeah, it goes so fast.
It goes so fast. That's cool.
I am grateful that I had like a well-rounded kind of musical education. I mean, I just love all the music from like the 60s and the 70s and I don't know. I often feel that I was born in the wrong time or something.
Yeah, I feel that way.
Yeah, there's like older things. I draw a lot of inspiration from from old things. And even like the 90s, I'm like, I thought it was like shit when we were in it. But I'm like, oh, my gosh, music was so much better even back then.
It was fun.
In the early 2000s.
It's so nostalgic now, too.
That's what my husband always plays. And the kids, they know it.
Yeah, they know all this 90s music.
Like, what does he play for them?
He plays, I mean, we have our hair metal phase, and then we have like the good 90s, like Reality Bites era type of music.
Cool.
It's funny what kids gravitate towards when you're playing music all the time at home.
Too. It's like, that's what you like?
They can be a little desensitized to things. At least my kids can. I think
I'm always trying to play my my son, who's a teenager, like, things that I think he'll like. I'm like, you need to check out Ween.
Okay, get in, put on, put on White Pepper.
Yeah. And does he pretend not to like it?
No, he actually really likes Ween. I'm trying to think of what else he's into. But my daughter, I feel like she's the one who is just like, she's always singing. She's always has a song in her head. And if like, we're writing or something, she'll start singing along to it.
And she'll suggest song lyrics.
That's great. That's fun.
Happy, happy musical family.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, she just learned how to whistle, too.
She's like whistling all over the house.
Has she made it to any of the records yet with her whistles?
Actually, yes, I was telling you about how my husband got the Tascam 388, like recorder. And he's got this song that she sings on.
Called Little Bird. And it's just the, it's the cutest thing ever.
And she's done some like album art and stuff for us. We're always like, could you make a poster?
Yeah, she seems to be very creative and.
Yeah, just into all things, all things musical.
They like having jobs too, I think.
Little tasks.
Absolutely.
Put those kids to work.
Yeah, we tried to get our daughter to sing on some stuff because she's, she's actually a really good singer, but she rejects it every time we try. She won't let us make her do it, you know?
Yeah, I know. I, I never want to like push it too much because it's like music for me was like kind of a rebellion.
You know, like rather than getting the straight job and just like settling down and having kids and stuff right away. I found myself, I don't know, being pulled to this career that everybody told me that I couldn't have or that like wasn't a real job. So with my kids too, I'm like, are they going to rebel and like become accountants?
I know, it's crazy.
We just put my daughter in violin lessons and she's a natural at it. She's so great at it.
She's got a good ear.
She does. And her, the way that she holds it and everything, her fingering is really beautiful. And I go and I take alongside her.
Oh, that's fun.
I've always wanted to play.
Me too. I just want to fiddle around like
Isn't it right?
Country style, you know?
Yeah. I just want to like do a little song. But she, again, it's like I don't want to push her like too much to do it because I just don't want to make it like a, a chore or like a job that feels arduous.
It's a delicate balance.
It is, yeah. She jumped up on stage with me at Red Rocks last summer.
Oh, fun.
Danced around and she keeps saying she's going to do it again. But yeah, we'll see.
Not actually any like getting into the mic, but she wants to.
I'm sure. I'm sure she's down.
That last year, finishing that record was the hardest experience of my life. To find your creativity and to believe in yourself, because somewhere in the midst of it, I stopped believing that my voice mattered and that I could find it again. That's a challenge. I was not feeling very confident creatively, only, again, defiant in my belief that what this is about is express something honest. Say something honest.
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You want to play another song?
Yeah, let's do it. What else we got here? I forgot what I said over.
How about "Close to You"? How long did you guys work on this new record?
Forever.
Yeah. Yeah, I started writing it like back in 2003. And yeah, went in to record it like last summer.
Wait, you said 2003?
Yeah, we started writing songs for it.
Some of these songs are that old.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, then we went into, I was kind of in between like management for a while and was trying to just be on my own and like be free, but it's kind of hard.
To navigate the music business when you don't have anybody advocating in there for you. So it took me a minute to get into the studio.
But like Rodney Crowell was really encouraging when I was like showing him a bunch of the new stuff we were playing, like him and Emmy, we had some kind of songwriter round and I played "Close To You" for them and they were like, "Wow, what a great song." So it's like, okay, I got them in my corner. I'm gonna eventually get into the studio. And then, yeah, we did it like last, last June. And just like by the time you get all the little accoutrements and like features and things on there, it seems like it takes longer than it should sometimes.
Yeah, and for me, the mixing is the real pain ride.
Yes.
The music can be quick and fun and easy and then...
You just want to change a few things in the mix and balance it out and then all of a sudden it becomes this huge project.
For me.
I spent a lot of time mixing. I think in the past I would just kind of be like, "Oh, you, you know, you do it. I'll come in and listen a little bit." And like I would definitely, you know, give opinions and thoughts, but like this time I was in there so much that my ears really felt fatigued and would like hurt.
At the end of the day, like I don't know how engineers do it when they're listening to something for 12 hours, like it's so hard to explain, but it's like, no, your ears like they ache.
No, I can't do it. I have to go in at the end and just be like...
Change this.
Yeah, yeah. It's a lot. I think this time I kind of like, we kind of lost our minds doing it. My producer, Matt Ross Fang, and I like, and we were just having so much fun working on it that it was like, we almost didn't want it to end.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
It's a fun process.
This is a really special, this is a really special one. But after a certain point, you have to stop or you'll burn the beans.
Exactly. I always overcook it.
Yes, you only like go back and you're like, oh my god, the first mix was better. Like, what did we do?
And then your engineer wants to kill you.
I'm taking a painting class right now.
Ooh, fun.
And I find that I'm over, I like go past something that's good every time and I ruin my painting.
No, are you, what kind of medium are you doing?
It's acrylic.
Acrylic.
It's fine, because I'm not trying to be a painter. I just love it. It's so fun, but...
I picked up painting too during the pandemic.
It's fun.
I've got a bunch of easels and like canvases and things, but it's hard. Well, I started with some watercolors, which is like so challenging.
It's really hard.
And then I tried to do some acrylic and then I ended up, I did oil too. I did all of them.
I don't know. I think oil might be like the easiest because you can keep changing it and it doesn't quite dry.
It doesn't dry.
But...
But acrylic, you can just paint over it, but yeah.
That's true.
You can't.
What's your favorite thing you've painted?
There's a couple landscapes I'm into.
I did a portrait of my daughter that I like, but I don't think she likes it.
I gotta see it.
Yeah. I don't know. I'm just way into it and I have way too many mediocre crappy paintings right now in my house, but...
Oh, it's so fun.
A lot of them go in the basement. It's fine.
I know. I have mine all stacked up in my attic. I don't really want to sell any of them because I don't think they're good enough to sell.
But, um, yeah, I always, I love doing it. I've painted a lot of weird things. I've painted like some trees and some landscapes, but I've also painted like, um... One of my first paintings was of a dead bird. It was like hanging, like a hunter, like.
It's probably interesting painting, yeah.
By its foot. What else did I paint? I painted a picture of a woman swallowing a snake.
Ooh.
I don't know, but like I said, they're hiding up in their closet.
You're a little twisty. I like this.
Yeah, we'll have to share some paintings.
To show and tell.
I love it. This lady in my class is painting her, this dream she had. And I just, it's just such a cool idea.
What is the dream? What was the dream?
I'm not sure yet. It's still evolving, but.
That's really cool.
There's wolves.
And a pickup truck. It's pretty cool.
Ooh, nice. I like that.
I just like the idea of that.
You know, it's kind of scary, actually.
I know. I love, I've been keeping a dream journal too, where I'm like, I need to be writing some of these things down.
It's a good idea.
I had really bizarre dreams when I was pregnant.
I don't know if that happened to you, but.
I don't remember it.
I had like one dream, I was in the back of a truck on this road that we used to drive on when I was a teenager. And it was called Hill Jump Road. And you would like get in the back of the pickup truck and then some upperclassman would be like driving you around.
That sounds so scary.
Up and down these hills and it was Hill Jump Road. But I looked in the front of the cab and there was a deer. No, it was a horse, excuse me, a horse was driving the car and it couldn't really steer. Just a stressful.
That is stressful. You could paint it and then reframe it and like, you know.
You'd be like, what is going on here? Yeah, it sounds like a King of the Hill episode.
Totally. I was gonna say, it also looks like a cartoon that I've seen. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, I can't wait to see this woman's painting. I'll have to send it to you when she's done. I'm invested now.
She's really good.
I gotta remember where I put my capo.
It's an A and then F sharp minor, so.
There it is.
Yeah, cool.
Okay, great.
One, two. One, two, three.
Okay, wait, I'm gonna stop one second. I wanna make sure it's in tune. And also, do you wanna sing a verse on this one?
Yeah, would that be cool?
I would love you to.
Should I do the "I left my phone in a truck stop diner" verse?
Okay, cool.
Awesome.
Do you wanna harmonize it?
Fun, sing, oh yeah, I can try to.
If you wanna harmonize over it. I think I have your phrasing pretty close.
It's a little out on the piano up here, too, I think.
No worries at all. I just got my piano tuned in my house. We have a 1966 baby Baldwin.
Baby grand Baldwin. And it's so humid and stuff there.
Oh, in Nashville, yeah. It is, right?
Like, I worry about my guitars all the time. I have like dehumidifiers going, but.
It's better humid, right? Or no, then the stuff starts coming undone.
Yeah, right, I think they like it dry for the guitars.
That's right, I always get confused.
I get confused, too.
I used to have a whole humidity system for my piano. I would always forget to water it.
Oh my gosh, yeah, what is, how old is this piano?
This is an old Steinmate. I think it's from like 1913. I'm not, I'm not great at remembering, but it's really beautiful.
A hundred plus years old. Is this what you tour with, or this stays here, then?
I actually tour with a Yamaha, which I like a lot. And I've only had this piano on tour for like a year now, so it changes.
Sometimes I'll tour with an upright, cuz I just.
I love uprights.
The piano on stage is so big and it blocks you from everybody.
I hear that.
I really love it, but.
Uprides just sound so cool. I love tack pianos, too.
I do, too.
Yeah. So fun.
You ever played Neil Young's upright?
I was just thinking about his upright.
I love his upright.
I love it so much. It sounds so good, you played it?
I have.
On my own set, like, but.
He let you play it?
Oh my gosh, that's awesome.
The Bridge School benefit that they did for a long time. I remember the first time I got to play it for some reason. And then after that, every time I did it, I was like, please let me play Neil's piano.
Oh my gosh, it's, it's so beautiful.
It's so beautiful.
And sonically, it's, you just can tell it's the one that he's had forever.
It's got, it's got the vibes.
And mistakenly.
I love him so much.
Yeah, me too.
Okay, so you'll take two. Okay.
Oh, actually, it's a waltz, so.
Oh, is it?
Is it? No, it's not.
No, it's not.
No, hey, yeah.
Who's playing guitar on that?
I think, um, I play some of the guitar. My husband does some of the like more like finger picky stuff.
Is he doing the solo-y stuff?
Oh, so that is my guitar player, Jamie Davis.
That sounds great.
Yeah, thank you so much. And then I had Russ Paul play pedal steel. He's.
That's awesome.
Yeah, he's the one who always says, "Don't burn the beans."
Okay, guys. One, two, one, two, three. One, two, three.
Walked out of my job, drove across the delta. I had to be close to you. Rolled the windows down, singing to Lucinda. I had to be close to you. I didn't wanna hear what my mama would say. I didn't care if I was pissing my money away. All I knew, I had to be close to you. Left my phone in a truck stop diner.
I had to be close to you. Honked my horn at the Tennessee border. I had to be close to you. Knocked on your door and kissed your mouth. I squeezed you tight and I said it out loud. One thing's for certain, I had to be close to you.
Close to you All the dead ends I've been down so long Close to you Nowhere else that I belong
Down to the pub to buy a couple rounds I had to be close to you
We shot some darts while the rain came down I had to be close to you
We talked about heaven, we talked about hell We played the jukebox while democracy fell Walls across the floor I had to be close to you
Paid our tab, stumbled outside I had to be close to you
Your leather jacket was soaking wet I had to be close to you
No one else could understand How you pulled me in with your calloused hands The way it feels I had to be close to you
Close to you All the dead ends I've been down so long
Close to you
Nowhere else that I belong
I walked out of my job, drove across
That's pretty.
Oh, that higher harmony on the chorus is so nice.
It's a great harmony. I just ripped it from your album.
I'm so glad.
It's so great.
My fiddle player, Kristen Weber.
She's beautiful.
She sings such great harmonies.
That's great. Yeah, it is a great harmony. Yay.
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I'm not sure why or how the music comes to me, but I think people who love music and write music, our brains are just filled with music.
Right.
Like, we have listened to so much music. We've been a part of so much music. I think of the story that I want to tell, the mood that I want to create with the music, start playing chords, see where they lead me.
Sometimes, I'm just not even thinking about music, right? And I hear this little thing, and I go, oh, that could be this.
You know, you just have to be ready.
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Can you tell me about your guitar?
I'm so excited. I'm so glad you asked. I just put out this signature J45.
With Gibson.
Went to the factory in Montana and got to see how they make them. And, um, oh, my gosh. Yeah, it's really a dream come true. I have a 1965 Cherry Burst J45 that I play all the time. And I got it 10 years ago when I signed my first album deal. And it's been damaged like once while flying. And so it's really nice to have like, we kind of made this. So I can take it and it's protected also from I've strummed quite furiously.
It's got a double picket line.
Yeah, so on my, on my vintage one, there's like scrapes and scratches. Like, it doesn't look like trigger.
Not quite.
But it's getting there.
It's pretty. Who drew the birdies on it?
Um, yeah, it's, these are like red-tailed hawks. I always see them when I'm out. They're kind of.
I want to say my spirit animal, but, um, yeah, they, they came up with this whole design. Robbie Johns, um, over at Gibson had a lot to do with like the, finding the rosewood and, um, coming up with all the details.
That's great. It's beautiful.
I'm so thrilled. Thank you.
Is this your first signature guitar?
It is.
Yeah. I, um, I've been waiting for like three years also for this to come to fruition.
This and the album. Yeah, it is. Yeah, they sent like one model and I like played it and we made some adjustments on the neck.
I like all different kinds of guitars, but I really like Gibson's because at least like the J45 that I have, it's got just like a little bit of a thinner neck.
It's easier for small hands.
Same. I have, um, I'm horrible with names. I'm not a gearhead, but I have a really thick neck, beautiful old guitar there. What is that, Matt?
It's a J45?
Is that a J45 right there?
What year is it? You don't know? It's old, it's 40s, it's like a 40s J45, but um,
Very cool.
It hurts my hands.
It's just, I can tell that neck is really big.
Yeah, it's like a baseball bat.
And then that gut string you have over there, it looks like the neck's even three times the size.
Yeah, it's really wide.
I love the gut strings.
Yeah, but I like the thin one next to it.
This, this one over here?
Yeah, it's just a thinner neck.
So cool.
It doesn't sound as fat, but it's easy.
It's okay. Do some little Django licks on there.
Same.
So, um, the first time I met you was at the Willie show, right? Was that the first time we met?
I think it was.
It was the only time we've really met.
The Willie Nelson 90th?
Oh, my gosh. What a legend.
I mean, he's just my all time favorite.
I know.
Um, but also that was such a special weekend, wasn't it?
I think it's my favorite show I've ever played.
I really can't think of an artist who brings together more people from different genres and like, I mean, when you see like Snoop Dogg and George Strait cheering a trailer, like where else would that happen? Only Willie.
It felt like a real family. Everybody just came together and I didn't know a lot of people personally, but it felt like we were all connected.
Oh, my gosh. And your duet with Chris was really, really. I was sitting in the audience for that. I was bawling.
And the duet that he did with Roseanne, it was just such an emotional weekend.
It was so beautiful. It was a very emotional weekend. I think I was standing next to you and there's a great picture of us with smoke between us.
I was just telling Greg, my publicist sat on the way over, there's like a photo where I'm like holding a joint and I think it's like wafting in your face.
I think the smoke is blowing directly in my face and I'm like, I'm looking up and like I'm smelling it and I'm in heaven and it was just so great.
And when we started doing All Fly Away, that second night, I think, I just started uncontrollably sobbing.
Yes, I'm crying just thinking about it.
I know, I could see.
I just, yeah.
I think I looked over at you and you were crying too and I was just like, it wasn't even just a tearing up. I was just uncontrollably sobbing and trying to sing at the same time.
Yes, but it's like tears of joy.
Totally.
And just like the gratitude to be able to stand in the same space as so many of the people on that stage that night.
Yeah, and it was just, it was so emotional.
I mean, I, oh, I partied so hard that night when I got back to the Sunset Marquis.
Well, I did too, a little bit, but.
I think you were staying across the way from me and I could see you in your hotel room and I was like, hi.
I know, it was so crazy that I think like Jack Johnson was like above you and he like was waving down.
I know. It was so fun at the hotel.
That was, that was a weekend I will never forget, like.
Yeah, it was special.
Very surreal.
Only Willie can bring us all together.
It's so true. I mean, he's just, he's such a pioneer in like the way that he has developed his sound and created something that's like, it's so unmistakable, like when he plays, you just, you hear his guitar, you're like, that's Willie.
Yeah, or Sings.
I feel like hearing you sit behind the piano is the same way.
Oh, thanks.
I've been listening to your records for two decades.
That's crazy.
Literally, I remember Waitress singing and just like your album had come out, had come out and getting to sit here with you and hear you play is like, you just have a style that is so uniquely your own.
Thanks.
Really beautiful.
Well, you too. It's so fun to like actually be able to share our music with people and. You know, it was fun to see you at the Willie thing, but we didn't get to play together. So now we finally get to do it.
Yeah, I know. That was, it was a whirlwind of a weekend.
Like, I feel like it was long, though, you know? There was like the rehearsal day and then it was two nights of the show.
Oh, my gosh.
So it felt, you know, substantial.
Like, talked to Paul Simon.
I talked to Keith Richards. I, they both signed, I have a guitar that I have been bringing around and making everybody sign. Who else did I get to talk? Oh, Beck got a bee sting on his hand backstage.
You did?
And I, I brought him like some tobacco and some, I was trying to help the stinging go away.
Yeah, it was funny.
Yeah, like, where are you gonna find, like, all these people in the same room?
Yeah, and everybody sounded great.
It was really fun.
Yeah, they did a good job, like, picking all the songs and, I mean, he's got such a catalog to choose from, it's really hard to decide.
And both shows were completely different.
You sang a different song each night, right?
Yeah, like, no repeats, right? What did you do?
I only repeated the Bobby, Bobby Nelson piano thing.
Of course, you've gotta do that, Down Yonder, right?
They wanted me to do another one the second night, but I was just, I was like, I really don't wanna fuck it up. And, you know, I don't really play that fast usually, so I was like, I can do Down Yonder. Can I just do that both nights, please?
It's classic. That's what he opens every show with.
Exactly, yeah. Yeah, but I didn't, I didn't remember hearing the other one when I saw Willie with her so many times, but, but yeah.
Did you get to talk to Bobby over the years?
I did. I, I think the first time, well, I opened for Willie right before my first record came out, and so I got to meet them all then.
But then I think I played like at his 70th birthday party.
Nice, oh, my gosh.
Then 75th, then 80th, then 85th.
Yeah, it's kinda crazy.
I played at his, I'm trying to think if it was his 89th or, I can't remember which one it was, but it was like out at Luck and they had a-
Oh, fun. You know, I've never been to Luck.
I know, I don't know why.
Yeah, you gotta get out there and play.
They, they like do more shows and stuff out there now, too, just like, not even just Luck, but just, they'll do like- I think Lucinda Williams and Waxahachie just played a show there.
Oh, cool.
It's so cool because they built that whole set for Red-Headed Stranger. And then at the end of the movie, they were supposed to burn the town down.
Oh, that's right.
But he changed the whole ending because he's like, no, I want to keep this. And so you go there and it's just like, there's a bank and there's a bar.
It's the West.
Yeah, it's so cool.
That is cool. I gotta go. I don't know why I haven't been.
Absolutely. Let's go together next year.
Yeah, let's go.
Let's do it. It's really fun.
Yeah, I would go.
It's crazy. There's cops everywhere because they have to keep it safe. But everybody's smoking doobies and it's Texas.
It's like a lawless city.
Like a tiny little village.
It's its own thing.
They just can't, they can't crack down on that at luck.
I think a couple of the cops that work there, they actually got married out at luck and met out there. So they're pretty chill.
That's pretty cool. That's great. Your relationship to country music and the whole genre and everything that comes with it. It feels like you're in the Willie vein of it.
No, thanks.
You know, whatever that means. But I don't know how you feel about the industry. It's just such a big, it's a big, it's a big place.
It really is. And I think, yeah, I think country music, it's like so many people try to own the genre or say that it's one thing or say that it's the other. But it's actually so many different things. And I think Willie was definitely one of the people paving the way for artists that didn't want to fit inside a small box.
Yeah, which I feel like is almost every artist I know.
But then people get caught up in the business part of it and it becomes something else sometimes. But glad you're not in that.
Yeah, I definitely have like a love-hate relationship with. Country music and just with Nashville in general. Like, I kind of stay on my side of town. I stay in East Nashville.
It's a thing.
I thought so, but I don't know a lot about it.
Yeah, it's, um, like, the last couple of records I made were like more in the rock, like psychedelic vein. And I, I think I did need just a little space from, like, you know, people always saying like, "Oh, you're a country singer, you're a country singer." It was like, well, actually, I was in a soul band for a bunch of years and like I sang, you know, Italian, like-
Opera.
Opera style singing and I've, you know, just, I love folk and I love the blues and like, there's just so many different things that become the melting pot of like-
You know, what you do. So I, I felt like I needed to get out of it in a way, but then, you know, you start getting carried away with like too heavy of, you know, jams. It's like, do you need a 20 minute go to space?
No, but maybe you need it.
It was fun. I enjoyed it. You know, I liked to get behind the drums too and like play drums and whatever. But I wanted to get back to the song and to like the storytelling and it's, it's been nice to put on those like old records, like, you know, Redhead of Stranger and stuff that I just absolutely adore and, and go back to what I love about country music.
There's so much to love.
Yeah. No, it's funny, it's funny nowadays when you hear somebody say they like country music, you don't know what they're talking about.
You don't.
Until they explain the artist they like and you're like, okay.
That's that and that's maybe a little different from what I was thinking.
Right, right.
It's all good, it's just, uh, it's so vast.
It really is. It really is. And I try not to judge because at the end of the day, like, any artist who is out there like singing their songs and trying to, you know, connect with people through music, like, they're not the enemy. And I think, you know, for a long time, it was just, I had a really big chip on my shoulder about a lot of these like bro country dudes.
And I guess because some of it seems like inherently misogynistic or like-
Well, that's a whole other thing.
I mean, that's-
That's okay to be bent out of shape about.
Okay, good, alright, yeah. Still screw those people.
Yeah, screw that, yeah.
But I, I love like that the Americana- Genre, you know, it used to be called like alt-country.
Yeah, I remember.
What did you get classified as?
Well, people still think of me as a jazz singer because I was on Blue Note, which is a jazz label, but, and I came from jazz. But my first record kind of had a mix of stuff in it.
So people always say that to me and I, I don't get offended at it because I love jazz, but I definitely, I'm like, I wouldn't say that.
You're beyond, you're beyond just being a jazz musician.
Absolutely. And Willie too, it's like he had so much jazz influence.
But like made it all his, made it all his own.
I think it's the best compliment when somebody tells you, you just sound like you.
That's what you, that's what you strive for.
That's right. Absolutely. I know I do. I'm still trying to remind myself that all I have to be is me. I don't have to try to fit in any cowboy hat or.
It's true.
But you look damn good in a cowboy hat.
Thank you. It's good when you don't want to wash your hair and you just throw the hat on.
No, I mean, you do sound like you and that's what's great.
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I was just writing for the Black Eyed Peas. I wasn't expecting to write something for myself in that session, but I wrote the hook for "Ordinary People," and I recorded a demo, and I'm like, I would rather keep "Ordinary People" for myself. This station in Chicago, WGCI, they start playing it before we're promoting it. The song spoke for itself. It became the defining song for my first album. I knew it was special, but you never know how special it's going to be and how much impact it's going to have in people's lives. And you never believe that you're going to actually change people's lives with a song.
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It's been a real pleasure. I think we should wrap it up with a Willie tune.
Let's do it.
Yeah, I'm glad you suggested this one. This is one of my faves that I have never covered. I've done a lot of Willie tunes, but never this one. I love doing these old Redhead and Stranger songs. They're the best.
They're so good. I can't believe it's like the 50-year anniversary.
Is that it?
Coming up.
It's just so wild.
It's amazing.
All right. Okay, let's do it. I love it.
Oh, boy.
Okay, so do you want to take the first one and I'll take the second verse?
Sure.
Yeah, you do the first one.
All right. You got to get that boot in there.
Yeah, I'll get a little stomping.
I don't even remember how it starts. We just hang on to C?
Let's just hang on to C. Okay.
Last night I came home and I knocked on my door. I called to my love as I have before. And I knocked, and I knocked, no answer there came. No kisses greet me, no voice call my name. And I couldn't believe it was true, oh Lord. I couldn't believe it was true. My eyes filled with tears, I must have aged ten years. And I couldn't believe it was true.
My shock was so great, I was quivering yet. I tried to forgive, but I cannot forget. My heartbreak and loss is another man's gain. But her happiness, I hope, will remain. And I couldn't believe it was true, oh Lord. I couldn't believe it was true. My eyes filled with tears, I must have aged ten years. And I couldn't believe it was true.
And I couldn't believe it was true. Oh, Lord, I couldn't believe it was true. My eyes filled with tears. I must have baked ten years. And I couldn't believe it was true. My eyes filled with tears. I must have baked ten years. And I couldn't believe it was true.
Oh, my God.
Nice. I love that.
That was fun.
Yeah, that was so fun. We need to do that live sometime.
Yeah, that was fun. Have you ever done that one?
I have. It's been a minute. I just did, um, let's see, what was the other one? That I just did. I've done Hands on the Wheel, too.
Oh, that's one of my favorite ones to do. When you get to the chorus, it's just like, it's best.
It's crazy how he like does something and then it's like, you just assume it's a Willie song until like later you go look it up and you're like,
Oh, Fred Rose wrote that.
Yeah, he didn't even write that one.
Doesn't matter. He owns it.
He owns it now. Yeah. I guess that's like why they used to call it like a cover song because it would be covering up the original one.
Oh, interesting. I didn't know that. No, I've never, I've never known why they called it that.
Yeah. I just learned that like a couple of months ago.
Do you do a lot of covers?
You know, I, I love to write my own songs, but this record that I have coming out, I have a song that a friend of mine wrote. It's called "Love Me Like You Used to Do."
Oh, nice.
And he like wrote it for me like five years ago. And then I also did a cover of a song called "To Stone to Cry" that my friend Andrew Combs wrote.
I do like to play covers, especially when I'm on tour.
Live, it's fun.
Yeah, if I'm in a certain city, or if it's like, you know, somebody's birthday, like, it's like, oh, it's, you know, Dolly's birthday, let's do a Dolly song, or something like that. But I think it was Chris Stapleton who told me once a long time ago, he's like, you know, I used to think I had to write everything myself, but he's like, it's okay to cover other people's work.
Totally. As long as you feel like you're singing the truth. I think that's all that matters.
I really feel like any time that I learn a song, it's kind of like an insight into how it was written, or like, I don't know, I always compare it to like, you're trying on a suit, and then you know how to sew the suit better, or something. This is kind of a dorky analogy.
No, I know what you mean. I feel like doing this podcast is so good for me, because I keep learning people's songs.
And then they'll make it their way, and my, you know, my knowledge bank can...
Totally, yeah.
And eventually, I'll probably steal something by accident.
Yeah, that's how it is. Yeah, like the nuance of the way that somebody will like, I don't know, go to a chord that you wouldn't have thought of.
Yeah, it's interesting. So many people have very specific things they go towards, and you notice patterns, and then you realize, like, oh yeah, we all have our little things.
Our little quirks, yeah.
Yeah, our little turns. Well, this was so fun. Thank you.
Thank you so much for having me.
Yay!
Yes!
That was great.
That was amazing.
She's so fun.
What a beautiful voice. So strong, and like, crystal clear.
Yes, and I just want to hang out with her all the time.
Yeah, she's sweet.
I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. If you want to know the songs from this episode, which I know you do, they were, in order, "Nowhere is Where", from Hard Headed Woman, which has just been released, "Don't Let the Bastards Get You Down", from Hard Headed Woman as well, "Close to You", from Hard Headed Woman, and "I Couldn't Believe It Was True", which was written by Eddie Arnold and Wally Fowler. It was originally performed by Eddie Arnold, and covered by Willie Nelson on his album Red Headed Stranger, that came out in 1975, one of my faves. Special thanks to Margo Price for joining us today. Thank you so much for listening and don't forget to check out the episode with Black Pumas, which is also out today. And we'll be back next week with Jason Isbell. Norah Jones is Playing Along is a production of iHeart Podcasts and I'm
your host, Norah Jones. This episode was recorded by Matt Marinelli, video by Heckmore Media, mixed by Jamie Landry, video editing by Marcus Rutledge, audio post-production by Greg Tobler, artwork by Eliza Frye, photography by Shirvin Lenez, produced by Norah Jones and Sarah Oda, executive producers Erin Wong Kaufman and Jordan Runtog, marketing lead, Queen Aniki. Have a great one.
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