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Alessia Cara, the GRAMMY-winning singer-songwriter known for her honest lyrics and soulful voice, joins Norah in the studio.
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This episode is also available as video on YouTube. You can visit Norah Jones' channel and be sure to subscribe while you're there. Hi, I'm Norah Jones. Today, I'm playing along with Alessia Cara.
Hi, welcome to the show.
Welcome to the show.
I'm Nora, and this is Sarah Oda.
That's me.
Always.
Today, we're joined by the incredible Alessia Cara. Unlike Brooke Dubek, we got a callback.
Oh, boy, I was gonna say something.
That's another two reference. If you know, you know.
You finally watched it.
Yes.
I knew you would love it.
I love that she came back in in the second season.
I know. It was awesome.
She's a Grammy-winning singer-songwriter with a beautiful, soulful voice and very honest lyrics. Her debut album, Know It All, came out in 2015, and she's just put out her new album, which is her fourth album, called Love and Hyperbole. Came out earlier this year, and it's a really beautiful record, so check that out.
She's just a delight, and she's got such an amazing voice and was super fun to hang with, so I hope you enjoy this episode. We had a lot of fun making it, and here she is, Alessia Cara.
Well, thank you for coming.
Thank you. Thanks for having me.
So, where do you live?
I live in Toronto.
Is that where you're from?
Yeah, I was born and raised in a suburb of Toronto. And then I moved to the city about six years ago.
Okay.
So, yeah, I've been in the city for a while. I love it. I think it's so much fun. I always thought that I wanted to live in some sort of rural area. I never thought I was a city girl until I moved and I'm like, I love it.
Well, you're young too. It has the good energy and
Yeah.
A lot of things to do. It's such a great city. I was wondering if you wanted to try a song from your new album?
That would be lovely.
Or a few.
Yeah?
That would be beautiful. I can't wait to do this with you.
I was thinking the song "Fire" might be a good one to start with.
Yeah, yeah. That's awesome.
Pick me up and take me home. Reaching through my skin and bone. Changing my DNA. Inspired minute by minute.
All the time I used to waste. Always falling by mistake. But you're rushing my brain like it's nothing. I'm jumping in headfirst and Ooh, I'm on fire.
Ooh, I'm on fire.
Pick me up and set me free Golden boy in dirty jeans Painting in your light Wonder why I couldn't see you
All the time I used to waste Always falling by mistake But you're brushing my brain like it's nothing I'm jumping in headfirst and Ooh, I'm on fire
Ooh, I'm on fire
I wanna be where you are Anywhere else is too far I wanna be where you are Be where you are Be where you are, yeah I wanna take you places And I wanna keep you safe and And I wanna be where you are Be where you are Be where you are And ooh, I'm on fire
Ooh, I'm on fire I'm on fire
I'm on fire Ooh, I'm on fire I'm on fire I'm on
That was awesome.
Oh my gosh, that was beautiful. That thing you did, that little jazz spin you put on that break was so good.
Oh, good.
I loved that.
Oh, your voice sounds so pretty in person.
Thank you. Oh, thank you. You sound incredible too. That was so amazing.
Beautiful. I thought that was great.
Yeah, me too. I love it. It was like free and fun and feeling each other out. That was, that was great.
So that's from the new album?
Yes, it's from the new album. It was like, it's funny because like how, how we are kind of playing it now is like how it was written, which is very rare for me. I don't typically like write in the room with a bunch of people.
It's more intimate, you mean?
Yeah, I kind of just do it on my own. I get very, I guess shy to like, just like sing gibberish out into the room. It's very rare.
With other people?
With other people, yeah.
The gibberish singing thing is a real thing because it's a really good way to get stuff and sort of get a placeholder. But I imagine it would be hard to do in a room full of more than one person.
Oh, yeah.
Because I don't really do that either. But with one person, if I'm writing, I don't mind doing it.
Really? So if there's another person there, it doesn't?
If it, if it's someone I'm writing with, I'm probably pretty comfortable with them, but I wouldn't want to probably do it with a stranger.
Yeah, yeah, it's strange. I mean, I could even very like doing it just in front of anyone. Honestly, I'm like super shy that way. But I think this album was the first time I, I kind of let go of those inhibitions and just like tried things. Because I do feel like you get good stuff when, you know, you maybe have another ear to tell you like, wait, you did something that was cool. You know, that you might think is kind of in passing.
I like that.
It's like having a secretary.
Yes, exactly.
Like a note taker.
Yes, exactly. So I've actually found it to be really beneficial for my writing process. So that was like the first song we did that was done in that way.
And who was in the room for this one?
This producer and great friend of mine who I've worked with for many albums now, John Levine. He's also another Canadian who lives in LA. So I was in LA with him in his home studio. And another producer named Jake Torrey, who are great, they're both great composers as well. So we, you know, put a mic in the middle of the room.
Oh, cool.
I believe it was John on keys, Jake on drums, and then just me on the mic. And we just kept looping those chords and that little drum loop and. Until the song was done, until I just, it fell out. It was so fun to do it that way.
That's great. And it's inspiring. You're just bouncing off of each other and yeah.
I think that's a way that I, I didn't really know how to write like that until maybe ten, ten or fifteen years ago. And it was super freeing.
Mm hmm.
Yeah, I've enjoyed it. It's been nice.
Yeah. Did you start writing songs when you were young?
Um, I mean, yes and no. I think I kind of did it like for fun in more of like a jokey way when I was a kid. Like I would write kind of funny or like stupid songs just for myself. And then as I started getting older, I wrote a lot of poetry and short stories. I would write stories all the time. Um, and then it wasn't until my teen years that I started like figuring out how to turn those like short stories or poems like into melody and rhythm. Yeah, so it was kind of like later in life. It was always there, like writing was always a part of my life in some way, but I never really started, you know, turning it into like proper music until my mid teens, I would say.
To me, that's young.
Really? I feel like that's older.
Well, I was much older. I was like twenty when I wrote my first, well, I wrote a couple of songs in high school, but I was twenty when I really started getting into writing.
Okay, yeah, that's kind of.
That feels old to me.
Really? Yeah, because I feel like so many people that I speak to, like a lot of artists that you hear, they're like, I've been writing songs since I was like one.
Yeah, no.
My first album for sure, but I think I didn't really become like a super confident writer until my second album, which I was about, I think I was like nineteen or twenty. So around the same time as you, um, was when I really like started practicing it fully and like doing it for real, for real.
And, and so how did you start singing? What were you into? What did you grow up around?
Singing was something that I always did do since I was super, super young. I think when I started discovering my own music and things that I was into, I, you know, discovered artists like Amy Winehouse, that she was a huge one for me. I, I loved her growing up. Um, and Coldplay I grew up listening to. My dad is a huge Beatles fan, so I was always listening to the Beatles. A little bit of everybody, I mean, like Stevie Nicks and Fleetwood Mac, Lauryn Hill, Erykah Badu, Sade, you, of course.
I always gravitated towards like the singer songwriter women who like played an instrument who were like onstage on their own. I always loved that and I always wanted to do that. So. That's cool. Yeah. And your family's Italian? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So, so did you ever hear any Italian music growing up? I did. Yeah. My mom played a lot of different Italian music. There's, I mean, you can list all of them. There's like, sorry, my mom's in the room also. She's in the courtroom. There's an artist named Eros Tramatotti. There's a really big Italian artist who I, who I got to collaborate with. Oh, that's cool. A couple of years ago, which was so cool because we grew up listening to him. Yeah. Between like my dad loving like, you know, The Beatles and Elvis and then my mom listening to Italian music and stuff. It was, it was a nice mix. Yeah. Yeah.
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Hey, it's Niall Rogers, host of Before the Moment, a Lincoln original series. I'm driving across the country, meeting some of today's most fascinating artists. We're exploring the stories before the moment that changed everything. This week, I'm joined by my friend, John Ledge. So you're helping Will.i.am write hooks. What made "Ordinary People" become the one song from those sound checks you knew you had to make your own?
I was just writing for the Black Eyed Peas. I wasn't expecting to write something for myself in that session, but I wrote the hook for "Ordinary People" and I recorded a demo and I'm like, I would rather keep "Ordinary People" for myself. The station in Chicago, WGCI, they start playing it before we're promoting it. The song spoke for itself. It became the defining song for my first album. I knew it was special, but you never know how special it's going to be and how much impact it's going to have in people's lives. And you never believe that you're going to actually change people's lives with a song.
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What do you think about trying another song?
Oh, that'd be lovely. That'd be awesome, yeah.
Do you want to try "Clearly"?
Sure.
"Clearly"?
Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Let's see if this guitar... It's got a big neck, so hopefully it's not...
Nice, okay. Too big.
One, two, three, four.
A million years later, here's you and me. A million pages worth of all our history. We were roaming in the desert, found an olive tree.
No use in going back, deciding who was wrong. And toss the blame between us like a basketball. I've learned that it takes two to tango after all.
Smoke cleared, we heal. And no, I don't hate you.
We're on borrowed time and I don't want to waste it. I feel the ocean between us closing in. Now we're closer and I see the fences mending slowly. Can we be open? Forget about the rest and start over. For the first time, I can see you clearly.
For the first time I can see you I visit the beginning and we've really grown I've analyzed the ending through a telescope Some things can work out until they just don't
Smoke cleared, we healed And no, I don't hate ya Yeah Where I'm borrow time and I don't wanna waste ya I feel the ocean between us closing in Now we're closer And I see the fences mending slowly Can't we be open? Forget about the rest And start over for the first time
I feel the ocean between us closing in We're closer And I see the fences mending slowly Can't we be open? Forget about the rest And start over for the first time I can see you clearly
First time I can see you
When you were starting to play out, you know, where did you start playing? Did you play in bars? Did you play at home? You did a lot of stuff on YouTube, I know.
I did, yeah. I was super shy. I mean, I still am, like we were talking about. I'm a shy writer. I was a very shy singer as well. So I did a lot of it just at home by myself when like no one was around. That's where I like really practiced and did everything. And then I didn't have a band until my first band, you know, since I got signed. Like that was my first time working with a band, doing proper shows.
And was it hard to make that adjustment? Or was it just like a relief to have people to do it with? You know what I mean?
Yes, it was honestly the latter. It was definitely a relief because you know, when you're up there and as such a shy person, it's kind of all reliant on you. And you know, I wasn't the most phenomenal guitar player and I can't really like shred and fill in space. So I always felt like it was super naked up there. And it's scary. It's scary when it's just you, you know, because every mistake can be heard and you know, it's just, it's very bare. So once I had this group of people around me to, one, make my songs sound so full and rich, which is wonderful, but then also just to have people up there with me, felt really nice. And it quickly became like a little family, you know? It was very nice.
That's the best, the family vibes on the road.
It's so nice.
It's the only way.
To be close to the people you're traveling with.
Totally. Especially when you're on, you know, you're on one bus. It's, you know, I think people think touring is maybe something that it isn't and they don't realize how tight knit you are and how oftentimes very, you know, not glamorous it can be.
Not at all.
Not at all. There's nothing glamorous really about being on a tour bus. So if you're around a bunch of strangers or you don't get along, it can be taxing. It's, you know, so it's, it's so nice to have a team that I really love and feel very close to.
Has it changed a lot over the years?
It's changed slightly. Um, one of my band members, actually Eric, I think he... Did some of your tech, Eric Krasinski, he was here.
Oh.
I think he's the one who kind of put us in contact many years ago.
Okay, cool.
He's doing producing now, so he doesn't really do too much live stuff anymore. And then unfortunately, my bass player passed away.
Oh, no.
This year, which was very devastating.
That's hard.
Yeah, so my drummer's still the same, thank you. My drummer's still the same. You know, a couple of things have moved around, but I still feel very close to everybody, even the ones who aren't touring with me anymore.
I feel super close to them.
That's good.
And we talk all the time, so, yeah.
Yeah, things change, but, yeah.
But also being young, because you started out so young. To be on the road that young, it can be really hard.
Yeah, it was challenging. It was very challenging.
Were you the youngest of the bunch, or were there a lot of other young people within the group?
I was the youngest. I had, my guitar tech, Leo, was around my age. He's like maybe three years older than me. Everybody else was a lot older than me, though.
Okay. That's a whole other thing, too.
Yeah, and they were all men. Like, I have my manager, Victoria, but she wasn't on the road road with us very much. So, she's the only girl that was on the road. Now I have a, my bass player now is a girl, which would be so fun to have her on the road. But yeah, when you're traveling with a bunch of men who are a lot older than you, it can be very challenging.
That's the thing, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know what your experience was like, or if you had many other women on the road or people your age. Thankfully, it did become a family. It felt like I had a bunch of big brothers around me all the time, which is very nice, but...
It was a good situation.
Yeah, yeah. But there is that little void of just having, you know, people your age.
Yeah, it's a different thing.
Yeah, it's a different energy.
I had, I had someone in my band early on who was my best friend and my, my age, and we just goofed around the whole time. And the rest of the band was like 10 to 15 years older than us. And when I think back, I just think of us being so annoying, probably, to them, just like doing pranks.
My best friend used to travel with me, too, and I feel like that was our dynamic as well, like...
Like mooning people.
Oh, oh, wow!
Yeah, like, I mean, you know.
Doing like kid things.
We were really just teenage boys, I guess.
Exactly, yeah. Yeah, it's the same exact, it was the same exact dynamic with my best friend and I. I feel like everybody was just so sick of us.
But yeah.
You don't realize until you're older, but gosh, we had fun.
Yeah, I know. Oh, my gosh.
We were just having a good time.
So much fun, yeah. Because you have to have moments to be a kid. I feel like this, this industry can kind of launch you into adulthood really early on. And so it's nice to just have moments to just be a young person, you know?
And I also think we do this because we love it. And it is fun.
So you got to find a way to keep it fun.
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My first ever In the World show was when I was 10, and I sang at a pub called The Georgian Devonshire. I was so nervous. I was 10, so they let me in only to sing my song and then they kicked me out right after. And then I remember I wrote, I've been writing since I was 10, so I, I wrote this song called Lady in the Mirror. Made this little track with it, but I just like pressed it. And I remember I sang this song and there was like five people in there. And I remember how myself I felt, and I felt like I understood myself and understood what I needed to do.
So does that take us back to, I sing just to know I'm alive?
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So you're going on tour. That's exciting.
Yeah, I'm so excited. It's been a long time since I've toured because my last album I released amidst COVID times. So I haven't toured since 2019.
Oh, that's a long time.
Yeah, for sure. It was like a very transformative six years. I mean, as any six years are, I think. Six years is a long time, but yeah, I just feel really excited. I feel like very antsy to get back out on stage.
It's gonna be fun. It's gonna feel really good.
Yeah, I think so. I hope so. I know it will, but I'm like obviously nervous because.
Yeah, I was gonna say, are you a little bit, since you haven't done it in a while?
Yeah, yeah, to some degree. It's like riding a bike. It's like wobbly at first, right? So I imagine I'll be a little bit nervous in the beginning. I'm always nervous, but it feels like I'm doing it again for the first time in a weird way. It's strange.
But that's kind of a beautiful thing, I think. Yeah. Because there's that first time excitement and energy coming back in, you know?
I'm excited for you and I hope you bring your dog for a little part of the tour.
Me too.
Practice having the dog on the bus.
Yes, I think it'll be good. The Canadian run is pretty short, so that might be a good tester.
That'll be a good tester.
See if she'll be a good tour dog or not.
That's good. I find that it's really hard to get off the road and not know what to do with yourself sometimes. So did you end up finding like little other things to do with yourself? Any hobbies?
Yeah, there were a few different things, honestly, that I picked up. I'm like such a hobby person. I'll like hyper fixate on something for months and then find another thing. I mean, first of all, I like really tried to practice cooking. I got into cooking a lot. Random other things, I got into like tarot cards and learning how to read tarot. So I do that. I learned like all about like perfumes and scents and I started collecting. perfume, which was like a random thing. But it's just been become like a part of my life now. Like I know all about like the notes and the top notes and all the different perfumes.
Well, you smelled really good when you came in, remember?
Thank you.
I was like, you smell nice.
Whatever that is. My favorite compliment. I appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah, I've been really into the alchemy of perfume. So those are like some little things that I've been into.
It's funny. I've always felt like not being on the road for a long time and not having any plan to look ahead to. It's a weird place to be for a musician.
It can be hard, especially when, you know, a lot of my friends and people in my life are not in the industry. So they have regular jobs. And so when I'm just like sitting at home, they have lives and I'm just like, what am I doing? And it's strange and I'm sure you probably find this too. It's like this job is very like zero or a thousand. There's no like in between.
There's no 100.
Yeah, yeah. It's like you're either on and you're like touring the world and go, go, go. Or you're just like having an off period where you're doing nothing. And that can be very jarring emotionally, mentally, physically. So yeah, it's always so strange because you know, everyone in my life just like has their day to day routine. And I find when I'm home, it's very weird. I feel like what do I do with myself, you know?
It's a test, I think.
Yeah, for sure.
Well, I've seen some of your clips on YouTube. You should definitely start a comedy routine.
Really?
Yeah, you're funny, man.
Totally.
Oh my gosh, I love that. Thank you.
You should do like a sketch show.
Oh my God, I would love to. Honestly, that's been kind of like a secret dream of mine to like start acting and like.
And I mean, in school, I started like in high school, I was like a theater kid. So I did a bunch of plays and I was always doing like, you know, improv and stuff. So it's always been something that I've found fun.
I could see that being a thing for you.
You think?
Yeah, I think you're good at it and you know, you like it, so.
Yeah, it would be fun. I don't know. I have to just get over the fear of like that I'm not good at it or that I wouldn't be good at it and just like try it.
Yeah, maybe. Who knows?
You're good.
You're good doll. You're gonna go far.
Thank you. You're gonna be a star.
You're gonna be a star. That's great.
I appreciate it. Thank you so much.
Well, thanks so much for doing this.
Do you want to do one more song?
Oh, I'd love to.
Do you feel like it? This was the first one that really stood out to me. I love this song.
Oh, thank you.
This is "Subside."
Yeah, it's got a really cool chord structure.
Mm-hmm.
And I love the words on the chorus, too. And there's like three choruses, and they're all really good.
Yes, thank you. Yeah, this is very strangely structured.
How did that happen?
I don't know. This is how I wrote it. I don't know why. It's so interesting. When I, you know, I've been rehearsing it with my band and like playing it live, I'm always like, where does this start really?
It feels like an endless loop, almost. Like, there's no real start or end. It's just kind of...
I kind of love that.
I love loopy songs.
Me, too.
But it's cool. It's when it gets to the first thing, I'm like, oh, I love this chorus. Oh, wait, there's another chorus.
There's another chorus.
I love that chorus. They're all good.
That's what they say. Time's just pocket change. That I'm wasting away. Grieving what's still alive. And fighting with an ache that won't subside.
Nothing good ever lasts. The girl I was never came back. Stayin' up, falling off track. So much I wish I knew. Flew too close to the sun. Who I was, she was made of. Through a punch, had to take one. That's what they say. Time's just pocket change.
That I'm wasting away grieving while still alive and fighting with an ache that won't subside is it already over?
Sidewalks scraping our knees going halves on a tangerine wanna know why everything worth holding turns to a blur in the distance that's why I'm clenching my fist I know all of this is what it is you don't get the same day twice still every night there's something that won't heal don't feel right
nothing good ever lasts the girl I was never came back stay or not, falling off track so much I wish I knew flew too close to the sun who I was, she was made up threw a punch, had to take one that's what they say time's just pocket change that I'm wasting away
grieving while still alive and fighting with an ache that won't subside
All of this is what it is. You don't get the same day twice. Still every night. There's something that won't heal. Don't feel right. Good if it lasts. The girl I was never came back. Stay in love, falling off track. So much I wish I knew. Flew too close to the sun.
Who I was, she was made of. Through a punch, had to take one. That's what they say. Time's just pocket change. That I'm wasting away. Grieving while still alive. And fighting with an ache that won't subside.
You're awesome. Thanks so much for doing this. Thank you. This was so fun. Great to hang and play. I hope we get to do it again sometime. Yes, I would love to. Maybe when I have my sketch comedy show, I'll come back. We'll do an interview about that. Can I be on it? Yes, absolutely. Yes, that'd be amazing. That'd be fun. And, you know. Have a great time on tour. Thank you. Everybody's gonna be so happy. It's gonna feel good. Yeah, it's gonna be great. Thank you so much. I appreciate your time. All right. Aw, that was so fun. She's so sweet. Her voice is amazing. I know. It's so gorgeous in the room. It's like, it's like butter. Butter. Butter. Also, she's hilarious. She's so fun. Like, if you go down the YouTube rabbit hole of her stuff that she's put up, she's really, really funny. She's got all these skits and stuff that she does. And she does great impressions.
Yes, she does. We forgot to go there. Ding. Next time, we're friends now. Okay, cool. Actually, I didn't get her number. It's fine. Okay. Call me Alessia. Call me. We don't have to put that in. But we will.
No, we had so much fun. She's great. If you'd like to know the songs we played on this episode, the first song was called "Fire", from her album Love in Hyperbole, released in 2025. The second song is called "Clearly", from the same album. And the third song is called "Subside", also from the same album. Special thanks to Alessia Cara for joining us today. We'll be back next week with Sarah McLachlan. Woohoo! Norah Jones is Playing Along is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Visit Norah Jones' channel and be sure to subscribe while you're there. I'm your host, Norah Jones. And this episode was recorded by Matt Marinelli, mixed by Jamie Landry, audio post-production by Greg Tobler, artwork by Eliza Frye, photography by Sherwin Linaz,
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She's been thinking about this sleepover all week, but I think about her food allergies all the time. Fortunately, her doctor prescribed Zolair, omalizumab. It's proven to significantly reduce allergic reactions if a food allergy accident happens.
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