Little Fish: Pope Guilty the First

Dan finally learns the truth about a playground rumour, while he, Anna and James discuss YOUR facts . This week's subjects include naughty Newfoundlanders, olive oil, and pointing at pumpkins. And the gang announce eight more Friend of the Podcast custodians. Visit nosuchthingasafish.com http://nosuchthingasafish.com for news about live shows, merchandise and more episodes. Join Club Fish for ad-free episodes and exclusive bonus content at apple.co/nosuchthingasafish http://apple.co/nosuchthingasafish or nosuchthingasafish.com/patreon http://nosuchthingasafish.com/patreon Edited by James Harkin Produced by Leying Lee Team includes Tara Dorrell, Joe Mayo and Ethan Ruparelia

• 0:13Speaker 00

  Hi everyone and welcome to another episode of Little Fish. This is the podcast from the makers of No Such Thing As A Fish, where we put down our facts and we look at the incredible facts that you guys have been sending to [email protected]. I am sat here in an undisclosed location, known only to me and my family because it's my house. And Dan Schreiber is in his house and Anna Tschidsky is in her house. And we will be talking facts. So which of you would like to go first with an amazing audience fact?

• 0:46Speaker 01

  I've got a good one from a well-named chap called Benjamin Snitkoff.

• 0:51Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 0:52Speaker 01

  And I know, really strong. And he says, I'm reading a terrific book called Gesture, which does look like a really good book, actually, by Lauren Gawne. And he came across this fact that the Kadang people of Indonesia have a prohibition on pointing at rainbows, Ursa Major and small young pumpkins.

• 1:14Speaker 00

  I know they connected for the same reason. Did the three of them have like a night out? The pumpkins, the rainbows, Ursa minor.

• 1:22Speaker 01

  And they're just banished.

• 1:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24Speaker 01

  God, I'd love to see what that night out would look like, but I do not know. It does seem pretty arbitrary, like you're getting to the end of the rulebook and you've got pages to fill.

• 1:32Speaker 00

  I've heard of people not pointing at rainbows before, actually. I think that one might be, I mean, none of these are particularly common, but I think that one's a little bit more common than the others.

• 1:41Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. Yeah, I can, I can sort of see that. If you, you know, they've got a magical quality to them.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  Are you allowed to acknowledge them? Are you allowed to be like, pss, hey, go.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  I think as, as long as you do whisper like that.

• 1:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, right.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  Hide behind a bush immediately.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  Guys, rainbow.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  I looked them up and their main prohibition seems to be about weaving. That's the main thing that always comes up is that they're not allowed to make their own clothes, which sounds like it was just really inconvenient back in the day. So you just always had to buy clothes from a different tribe.

• 2:08Speaker 02

  Promotes a social life. You get to meet others, you know?

• 2:12Speaker 01

  Do you know what, Dan? You have hit the nail on the head of why people say that they used to do it. There you go. Part of like agreements, you know, back and forth agreements with other trading groups, other people. So you should be an anthropologist because I just thought, what a stupid ban.

• 2:30Speaker 00

  But what happens when they go to market and they're trying to buy some clothes? And then the person they're buying them off points at a small baby pumpkin? And then they get into a huge argument and then that's how wars start, isn't it?

• 2:41Speaker 01

  You're right. Yeah.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  That's great. I got one here from Christopher McKay, who says, four moose were brought to Newfoundland from Miramushi, New Brunswick in 1904, 45 years before Newfoundland joined Confederation. Today, there's roughly 125,000 moose, one for every four Newfoundlanders.

• 3:08Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 3:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  All from those four.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  And I've been given a handy pronunciation guide by Christopher, who says Newfoundland is Newfoundland, not Newfoundland.

• 3:19Speaker 00

  I thought it was Newfoundland.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, my goodness, this is a, this is a hot potato. This is a young pumpkin being pointed at because it is, it doesn't seem to have a consensus amongst anyone. Apparently Christopher says, as non-Atlantic Canadians are wont to say about Newfoundland. But I found a story where it got so chaotic that in 1876, a man was shot dead over his pronunciation of Newfoundland.

• 3:52Speaker 00

  Oh my God.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  How did he pronounce it?

• 3:54Speaker 02

  We don't, we don't know which of the two who got in the fight with pronouncing it either way, but it was either Newfoundland or newfound land. The, the enunciation was on found and land at the time. And so it says, mill workers in the frontier town of Larkspur, Colorado, saw two men enter a cabin in search of a dictionary. Seconds later, they heard a gunshot. And so it was mill worker William Atchison. He first off threw a punch at John P. Davis. John P. Davis then pulled out a gun and shot him in the stomach and he died.

• 4:28Speaker 00

  How do we know, how do we know what happened there? Because they've gone into the house, right? We only have the say so of the person who came out.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  Yes. And not even quite that, James, for a very long time. Because John P. Davis, who came out, immediately went on the run, just immediately fled town and no one heard from him for years and years and years, until 1912, when he was on his deathbed and he made a deathbed confession to say that we got in a fight about the pronunciation of this word and I shot him to death. And so he thought, okay, well, that's it. It's out there. I'm going to die now. It got reported in the newspapers, but then he got better. He wasn't expecting to get better. So the brothers of the deceased man came chasing after him and he had to get out of his now no longer deathbed and went on the run again. And we don't know, we don't know how the story ends.

• 5:19Speaker 01

  Sounds like he wasn't even very sick, to be honest.

• 5:22Speaker 00

  And also, I, I mean, I think I can infer what's happened here, right? This guy has shot his mate. You're only going to shoot him if it turns out that you're wrong. The dictionary proved them right and you get so annoyed that you shoot them. That's what I reckon. I can't think of any other way that that went, where he ended up shooting his mate. So I think not only, probably the worst thing about this whole thing is that he was proved wrong by the dictionary.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  You're so right. The wrong man died. He was the one that deserved to die.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 5:58Speaker 01

  Here is a fact sent in by the Reverend Canon Ben Jones, which Andy helpfully puts afterwards, he's a vicar. And he says, I-

• 6:08Speaker 00

  Not a piece of artillery.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  Well, maybe that too. He says, I just listened to your Little Fish episode from the 15th of March, where you talk about footballers in the same team with the same name. Even better, in my opinion, is that during the 2003 to 4 season, Fulham replaced the Scottish midfielder John Collins with the Liberian-born Dutch striker. James is nodding. Collins John.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  So good. I love it. They must have done it on purpose.

• 6:44Speaker 00

  I forgot about that. That's a brilliant fact.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  It's really good. No more to say on that.

• 6:49Speaker 00

  Okay. Well, in that case, here's one from Dan Connolly. And Dan Connolly said, the Louisiana Museum of Modern Art can be found in?

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Any guesses?

• 7:04Speaker 02

  Modern Art? Is that a place? I don't know. It's Louisiana, obviously.

• 7:09Speaker 00

  Oh, Dan, you idiot.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  That's so embarrassing.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  Oh dear.

• 7:14Speaker 00

  No, it's in Denmark, just north of Copenhagen. And the name comes from the estate on which the museum was built, which was called Louisiana by its first owner called Alexander Brun. And he named it after his three wives, all of whom had been called Louise.

• 7:35Speaker 01

  Isn't that amazing? I think at wife number three, you've done it on purpose. You're just on the lookout.

• 7:41Speaker 00

  Unless it was an unbelievably common name around that time.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:46Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. Like how, you know, in the ninth century, 90% of people were called John. Was there a time when everyone in Denmark was called Louise?

• 7:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. And the thing is, no one really knows what's going on because the museum was built quite a long time after this. Alexander Brun had gone. And the guy who built it, who was called Knud Jensen, they asked him about it and he said, well, I don't really know anything about him apart from the fact that he had three wives called Louise. And so I think it kind of seems like that's really all we know about this guy.

• 8:18Speaker 02

  So good. Well, while we're on names, can I chuck in another listener name fact? That's been sent in. This is from Chris Topping. Chris Topping, in 1945, Florrie and Chain received a Nobel Prize alongside Fleming for isolating the first antibiotics. I've stumbled across a researcher called Florrian Chain, who appears to be in the field of probiotics. So you've got Florrie and Chain.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  And now we have Florrian Chain. Wonderful. This is a, yeah, and Florrian Chain, not the most known names, but they were the people who helped give us penicillin. So it was Fleming who had noticed the mould in the Petri dish and, and had tried doing stuff with it, but he couldn't yield much antibiotic out of it. And it was Florrie, an Aussie, who with Chain, made penicillin into something more palatable for our bodies. And he's been called by people like former Prime Minister Robert Menzies, as in terms of world wellbeing, Florrie was the most important man ever born in Australia. He's saved up to 80 million people plus.

• 9:28Speaker 02

  And if you remember, the very first time that penicillin was used on a person, it was in Oxford and it was a police officer. And unfortunately, it worked at first, but then they couldn't yield enough to keep it going, to save him, and he, he died. But they were the doctors that were part of that process, that were doing the first tests on humans to show that it could be something that would save us. So, yeah.

• 9:52Speaker 00

  I've never heard of them. Like honestly, I'd never heard of those two names ever.

• 9:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. You've got to be the guy who comes up with the accidentally discovered, went away on holiday, came back to find mould in my Petri dish. You can't just be the, oh, we turned it into something that was genuinely useful, turns out.

• 10:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 10:08Speaker 01

  How annoying.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  And the other guy, Chain, equally amazing. He was a Jewish scientist in Nazi Germany. He came over to the UK. He was given a position at the University College Hospital by a friend of the podcast, JBS Haldane. And he then met up with Florrie and they, they came up with the method. So yeah, awesome history. Two unrecognized people, certainly on a popular scale, who changed the world.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  So cool. And then this Florrian Chain person who came up with Yakult, apparently. That's basically probiotics, isn't it?

• 10:41Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. I see. I think, I think they work in probiotics. I'm not necessarily sure they invented Yakult.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  Something similar.

• 10:50Speaker 02

  Apologies to Florrian if you did.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  Very cool. Such a cool connection to see. That must've been a really exciting moment. I have a fact here from Giles McNeil. This is such a cool fact. Very cool spot. The fact is that before the song Heartbreak Hotel was sung and recorded by-

• 11:09Speaker 02

  Elvis Presley.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  Elvis Presley. It was first sung and recorded by an Elvis impersonator.

• 11:17Speaker 01

  What? And it was before Elvis was even that famous. What is going on? This is this person who writes in, Giles is citing rock and roll researcher Andrew Hickey, who says that Heartbreak Hotel is written by three people called Tommy Durden, May Axton, and Glenn Reeves. And it was Glenn Reeves who didn't want credit for the song himself, because apparently he thought it was ridiculous. So instead, he thought, there's this bloke called Elvis, who I've heard sung a few little ditties here and there. I think it might suit his silly voice. So he recorded a demo of the song, but did it in an Elvis impersonation to send to Elvis to say, look how much this suits your style. And he sent the Elvis impersonation to Elvis

• 12:00Speaker 01

  himself. And then Elvis thought, yeah, that's, that's good. I'll do that. Impersonating my own self.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  That's very cool.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  So cool.

• 12:09Speaker 02

  I read a fact the other day, which is to do also with a songwriter for an Elvis song. I think it was for Hound Dog. This person was out on an Atlantic ship out in the ocean, and something happened. There was a disaster and the ship went down. They had to be rescued. People thought they might have been dead. They were brought back to the mainland, probably America, I'm guessing. And at the, at the sort of dock, standing there was the co-writer of Hound Dog yelling to the guy on the ship who's just been saved, Elvis has recorded Hound Dog. Elvis has recorded Hound Dog. He was like, yes, this is the greatest. It's more important than saying, are you okay?

• 12:56Speaker 00

  Okay, here is an email we got through from Joshua Gani. And Joshua said that they found a news article, and they've read it many times because they love it so much. And they wanted to send it us to see if we would enjoy it. And it was about an Australian man who became wedged naked in his washing machine during a prank. And this, this man is known only as Lawrence. And he told the newspapers that he decided to have a bit of sneaky fun while in the nude, but climbed in the washing machine and found that he couldn't get fully out and had to call for assistance. Basically, he got in, crossed his legs, and then couldn't uncross

• 13:41Speaker 00

  them in a way that he could get back out again.

• 13:45Speaker 00

  And so the article's really good. There's so many good lines in it. For instance, the self-proclaimed practical joker says he is known among his friends as Lawrence, he's always nude.

• 13:59Speaker 01

  And why do we know why he's got that nickname? It's just...

• 14:02Speaker 00

  I think, I think it's might be something to do with his practical jokes. But on the other hand, like, who is he trick, who's he joking if he's climbing into a washing machine naked?

• 14:14Speaker 01

  That's a funny joke for someone else who's trying to put a wash on. That's a good practical joke. If he lives alone, and it's just his washing machine, it's very confusing. But provided he's got a housemate.

• 14:24Speaker 00

  Do you think like, his trick is, the housemate throws the clothes in, and then he quickly puts all the clothes on, so he's not naked anymore, and then climbs out and goes, ta-da?

• 14:33Speaker 02

  Oh, that's so good. Yes.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  And they go, God, I didn't know it had that kind of cycle.

• 14:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think that would have to be an industrial sized washing machine, wouldn't it? Do you think, I couldn't, I couldn't get into any washing machine. But if I go to the laundromat, I reckon I could definitely get into one of those.

• 14:50Speaker 00

  I think like, some places would have top loaders that you would be able to get into. You know, in the olden days, they were a bit more common, weren't they? And I think in America, they might be more common, maybe.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  But that wouldn't be impressive, I don't think, getting in a top loader. I assumed it was a front loader, because that's what's really impressive. If you can get into one.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  Is it about being impressive? Or is it, oh, you're naked in a tubler? That's hilarious.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  You're right, you're right. It's not a circus. It's just a weirdo. You're right.

• 15:18Speaker 00

  Anyway, so they, they worked through his bathroom cabinet of soaps and lotions, tried to work him free. And then in the end, they turned to olive oil, and they managed to get him out. And they said, actually, it was useful that he was naked, because it made it easier for him to slip straight out. If the olive oil was on his clothes, then it might not have been quite as slippy, or easy to slip him out.

• 15:43Speaker 02

  Very nice.

• 15:44Speaker 00

  And he said that the whole thing was like a birthing. And he thanked the emergency workers for keeping their composure and not asking too many questions.

• 15:56Speaker 02

  I sympathize with the locked legs. I've had that before, where I put my legs into a, into a, like, cross them over each other, and I locked in, and I couldn't get out.

• 16:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, bad for men. Men are particularly bad at crossed legs, I think. Much worse than women. That's so weird, the olive oil thing, because it's been in the news this week that a girl got wedged between two rocks on a school trip in somewhere like Dorset or Devon. And she was stuck for ages, and they tried loads and loads of stuff, like chipping away at the rock. And eventually, it was olive oil that freed her.

• 16:26Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 16:26Speaker 01

  So always carry olive oil with you on a survival expedition.

• 16:30Speaker 00

  That is amazing. As a kid, you would always hear of people getting their head stuck in railings, wouldn't you?

• 16:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:36Speaker 00

  Like, basically, kids' heads grow as they're getting older. And suddenly, a railing that you can put your head in and out of suddenly becomes a railing that you can only put your head in, and you can't get it out because your ears get stuck.

• 16:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 16:49Speaker 00

  My memory of that is, people would always use, maybe the olive oil when I was a kid, because I think olive oil only became fashionable when I was in my twenties. But I think people would use like, vegetable oil and soap and stuff, wouldn't they?

• 17:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. That was, as a kid growing up in Hong Kong, one of the big TV shows was Full House. Don't know if you got it here, but Bob Saget was dad. And there was a group of daughters in the family. And the middle girl, there was a rumor that she was at Disneyland or a theme park, and she had put her head through the rails by a roller coaster, and it came down, and it took her head straight off, and that she was dead. Now, back in the day, there was no internet, so that was just at school. That's what we thought had happened. She had died. That was always part of, I haven't actually Googled it.

• 17:34Speaker 00

  Oh, well, look, we're, we're working from home. You're on your laptop. Why don't you check?

• 17:39Speaker 02

  You guys get on with the business of actual facts, and I'll...

• 17:42Speaker 00

  I just feel like you can't leave that hanging.

• 17:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:45Speaker 01

  I was desperate for the happy ending reveal, and it turns out she's now Madonna.

• 17:50Speaker 00

  Because especially if she was killed in that way, I'll definitely cut it.

• 17:54Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. She was not. She is alive.

• 18:02Speaker 01

  She's alive!

• 18:03Speaker 02

  She's alive! Yeah. Missing half a head, though. That's, okay. Just took off the top.

• 18:11Speaker 00

  Here's one from Alexis Grant. A lot of heliconia are hummingbird pollinated, so heliconia is a type of plant. And the hummingbirds sometimes also move flower mites that live in the heliconia around inside their nostrils. The mites only get off when they get to another flower of the same species, even if the hummingbird visits flowers of multiple species.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. What if the hummingbird sneezes really violently when it's visiting a plant of another species? They still manage to cling on to those nose hairs and wait?

• 18:45Speaker 00

  Does not recount, the email from Alexis. But I think it's pretty amazing that they're using these hummingbirds as Ubers.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, really good.

• 18:54Speaker 00

  And know when to get off as well.

• 18:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, so more like a bus, I suppose.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  Like pigeons on the underground.

• 19:00Speaker 00

  Yeah. These heliconia are quite cool, because they want their pollen to get into the hummingbird's face, as well as the mites. They don't care about the mites, they just want the pollen. And they have like, a jack-in-the-box mechanism. So when the hummingbird goes into the heliconia plant, it goes boing, boing, boing, boing, and then hits them in the face, and they get a load of pollen all over them.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Is that why it's called helico? Because helico, you assume is a spiral? And is it like a spirally spring that boing, boings up, do you think? Email doesn't recount, does it? It doesn't bloody recount.

• 19:32Speaker 00

  You know what? I was Googling heliconia, and it's also the name of a butterfly, and it's also the name of like, a mountain in Greece or something. So I won't, I thought, when I was Googling it, oh, I bet it's named after that mountain in Greece. But I didn't check it out, because I thought, no one's going to ask that.

• 19:50Speaker 01

  No, it'd be a real dick move, wouldn't it? When we know that you probably haven't happened to Google the answer yet. What kind of person does that? Can I share another fact? Sent in by Rick Minat. I know it's a fact Andy would want us to hear. He says that while discussing the relative safety of being stuck on a train engine during a tornado, I discovered that manufacturers are required by law to test the windows on engines by launching a 24-pound cinder block into the glass at 30 miles an hour.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 20:22Speaker 01

  So good. And then he said, seeing as it's an amusing fact about a dull subject, I thought Andy would enjoy it. But he does provide the workings, and it is indeed true, cinder blocks are held at 30 miles an hour. I don't know what from, from a, from a cannon?

• 20:37Speaker 02

  That's incredible. Yeah, that's amazing.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  Really cool. A fun job to have, being the person who holds that.

• 20:43Speaker 02

  I wonder what the protocol is. You've just got to sit in a, in a train while it passes, right? There's no, there's nothing else really you can do.

• 20:51Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 20:51Speaker 01

  What do you mean, sorry?

• 20:52Speaker 02

  If you're in a train during a tornado.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  Oh, you're still thinking about the tornado? I thought you meant while they're testing it by throwing the cinder block at it. I don't think they actually put anyone in it this time.

• 21:01Speaker 02

  Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, or conductor here. We're just being held at this station to quickly run a cinder block into the window next to you.

• 21:09Speaker 00

  I reckon they'd go into a tunnel, wouldn't they?

• 21:11Speaker 01

  Oh, good shout, good shout.

• 21:13Speaker 02

  I don't know. Yeah. How many tunnels are out there in Kansas, you know?

• 21:16Speaker 00

  No hills to go through, is there?

• 21:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's famously flat.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  A tough choice for that train driver.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  When your conductor says, this train now terminates at Oz, you know,

• 21:29Speaker 02

  you're in trouble.

• 21:30Speaker 00

  You know, in The Wizard of Oz, the book, I don't think it says tornado. I think it says cyclone. And when the book was first published, the head of the US Meteorological Organisation wrote to L. Frank Baum saying that there is never in history and there never will be a cyclone in Kansas because it's physically impossible to have cyclones in Kansas.

• 21:54Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  Really?

• 21:56Speaker 00

  And there's some technical difference between a tornado and a cyclone because you do get tornadoes there for sure.

• 22:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, right.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. Well, I bet he felt stupid.

• 22:07Speaker 01

  But that ruined the massive paycheck that came his way.

• 22:11Speaker 00

  Okay, okay. Well, it is the end of your facts, as amazing as they were. Like every week, we really love getting your facts. And if you have any facts indeed, then send them to podcast at qi.com and he will check through them and send us the very best for a future little fish. But before we go today, we have the small matter of dishing out some of our facts to custodians on Patreon. So who has a fact to give out?

• 22:40Speaker 02

  Uh, let's give a, let's give a fact to Tova Cooper. Your fact is now the millennium bug is going to hit in 2038.

• 22:50Speaker 00

  Uh oh. That, when we did that fact, it felt like a long way in the future, didn't it?

• 22:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're close now. We're getting close. Um, yeah.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  That's kind of, that's kind of sort of a scary fact to have framed up on your wall, as I imagine this person will.

• 23:06Speaker 02

  It's a good reminder. It might make you live life a bit more, knowing that the end of time is, is on its way.

• 23:11Speaker 00

  Oh, yes. Memento Mori.

• 23:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  Although if you do want reassurance, I think it was just like the three computers that still work off an old system will break down. Just in case you do look at it every day and have a small heart attack thinking the end is nigh. I think it just means your old computer might have a rough time.

• 23:29Speaker 00

  Okay. Well, that's nice to know.

• 23:31Speaker 01

  How about this from Michael Woolard? This is the fact that the diaries of scientist Richard Buckminster Fuller took up 80 metres of shelf space.

• 23:41Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 23:42Speaker 02

  Well, legend.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  A self-involved teenager he was.

• 23:46Speaker 00

  Or he just liked a big font.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. Font. Do you write your diaries in a font? Actually, people probably do type up their diaries now, don't they?

• 23:55Speaker 02

  I loved doing that particular fact when you find a character like him, spaceship Earth and all of those incredible inventions that he did.

• 24:03Speaker 00

  He only slept like 20 minutes at a time or something. He had, what was it called? Dimaxian sleep or something that he did?

• 24:09Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  Yes, wasn't that his word that he made up, dimaxian, which was like, and he, all his designs were based on this dimaxian concept? And I can't remember what it was. It was just like to the max.

• 24:19Speaker 02

  Sleep maxing.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  Sleep maxing.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  Let's give another one out. This is for Jonah Yerick and your fact is in 1511, the people of Brussels protested against the government by filling the city with dozens of pornographic snowmen.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  It's great.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  This, that was a great one to return.

• 24:41Speaker 02

  1511 to be doing that is a, that's, that's one of those, aren't we all the same, you know, no matter which bit of history?

• 24:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. I can't remember how porny they were. Do we think it was just sort of carrots for penises?

• 24:54Speaker 00

  I think they were, they were a little bit more than that. Wow.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  You're right though. Like back then it might've been just the snow woman was showing her ankle, you know?

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 25:04Speaker 00

  Or like maybe all snowmen are pornographic, but you can't really tell because it's so cold. You just can't see their genitals.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 25:13Speaker 00

  Okay, this one is now going out to Alex Borodovsky. And Alex, your fact is that in 2015, Australian scientists named a newly discovered species of fish, the blue bastard.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Love it.

• 25:30Speaker 00

  I think the reason was that it was a bastard to catch. I think that's why they called it a bastard.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  It wasn't that it was just always born out of wedlock.

• 25:38Speaker 00

  I don't think so.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  This one is for Hamish McClellan and this is that Harris Hawks stand on each other's shoulders to get a better view.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  I can still picture, I think there's one photo of, I want to say four Harris Hawks standing one on top of the other. I may have hallucinated that, but this is amazing because you'd think they'd just fly.

• 26:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, you would. So why do they do it?

• 26:03Speaker 01

  Uh, I guess it's hard to fly on the spot or maybe they're disguising themselves to get into a club.

• 26:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. They just have one overcoat over them. Is that right?

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Exactly. Stole it from a snowman.

• 26:16Speaker 02

  That's a good point. At what point is a height that it's worth expending the energy? It certainly can't be just double your height because that's why they stand on their shoulders, but.

• 26:25Speaker 01

  Worth expending the energy to fly?

• 26:27Speaker 02

  To fly, exactly.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Once sort of hawk number 19 says, shall I go up there? It's just like, shall we all just fly? This is getting silly.

• 26:36Speaker 00

  But also I think like, if you're a hawk, right? Let's be generous and say they're two feet tall, which I bet they're not. Like if you were to get three of them on top of each other, that's still only, what, six feet?

• 26:48Speaker 01

  What are you looking over?

• 26:50Speaker 00

  Exactly. The only way it could be possibly useful is if they're in like tall grass or something.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  Oh, maybe it's that or a very low wall.

• 26:59Speaker 00

  Or a ha ha.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Ha ha ha, yeah.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  We'll never know unless we listen back to that episode.

• 27:07Speaker 00

  Okay, uh, here is another one. This one now is under the custodianship of Carla. And Carla, your fact is that Pope Innocent the Eighth was given the nickname the Honest because he was the first pope to acknowledge that he had illegitimate children.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Good on him.

• 27:25Speaker 00

  A load of blue bastards.

• 27:30Speaker 02

  Oh, that's so good. Pope Innocent the Eighth.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  So noble, so noble. But it was back in the day in the Catholic Church. I think like everyone could shag as much as they wanted. I think I remember reading that the only reason people made celibacy a thing was because people kept giving their illegitimate sons loads of land that otherwise would have gone to the church. And so the church decided to say, okay, you've got to stop having sex because we want your land. God doesn't actually care. God is pro-sex. I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure that's one of the main, you know.

• 27:59Speaker 00

  How interesting. Okay. Who's the new pope? What's he called?

• 28:03Speaker 01

  God, I should know that.

• 28:04Speaker 00

  Robert Provost? I don't know what his papal name is.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 28:08Speaker 00

  But Rob, you need to get on this.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Get, bring shagging back.

• 28:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. I wonder what, at the meeting when they were like, okay, listen, Pope Innocent the Eighth has been having a lot of kids. Um, what are we going to do about the name? Do we go for Pope Guilty the First or do we go for the Honest and just lean into it and just say, well done? And they clearly went for that. Um, uh, let's get another one. This is for Jill. Jill, your fact is now that in 2015, Spanish builders accidentally destroyed a 6,000 year old Neolithic tomb that looked like a picnic table and replaced it with a new and better looking picnic table.

• 28:50Speaker 00

  That's just progress. That's just improving the area.

• 28:55Speaker 01

  You're right. This is great. This is one of yours, wasn't it, Dan?

• 28:59Speaker 02

  It was. It's one of my favourites, I think.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  It's amazing.

• 29:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. Some of these are like little children, aren't they? When you hear them again, it's like, yeah, there you are. Where have you been?

• 29:07Speaker 01

  What have you been up to lately?

• 29:09Speaker 02

  Well, you're moving into Jill's now. You're going to be on her wall. So enjoy. Yeah. Really lovely.

• 29:15Speaker 01

  All right. Here's a final one. And this is to move into the home of Michelle Kilpatrick. Here you go, Michelle. Here's a fact for you. And that's the fact that for Queen Elizabeth's coronation in 1953, people dressed up as television sets.

• 29:29Speaker 00

  Lovely. Because they were new, basically.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  That people were excited because it was on telly. Yeah. Stuff was on telly. People had tellys.

• 29:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  It's like us. It's like how we always dress up as, um, TikTok now.

• 29:42Speaker 02

  Yes. I'm dressed up as TikTok right now.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  You are? Yeah. It's a really good costume.

• 29:49Speaker 00

  Okay. Thank you very much to Michelle, Jill, Carla, Hamish, Jonah, Alex, Michael and Tova. You now have some brand new facts to hang on your wall and we really hope you cherish them and enjoy them. If you too would like to become a custodian of a fact, then go to patreon.com slash clubfish and join at the highest level. And that is where you can do that. But if you do not want to do that, then do not worry because we will be back next week with another little fish. And in a couple of days with a big fish. For now, it's goodbye from me, James Harkin. It's goodbye from Daniel.

• 30:27Speaker 02

  So long.

• 30:28Speaker 00

  And it's goodbye from Anna Tashinsky.

• 30:31Speaker 01

  Bye.