Mile High Heartbreak, Eagles Rebuild?, Simmons Debut and NFL Conspiracy Theories with Neil deGrasse Tyson | Ep 209

92%ers, welcome to another episode of New Heights brought to you by Stouffers! Today, we get Travis’ thoughts on the Chiefs coming up short against the Broncos, Jason explains why the Eagles shouldn’t be looking at a rebuild, we watch some wild new offenses from college, react to Jeffrey Simmons debut, try to figure out the best team for Jonathan Taylor, and celebrate the Bucs making some buns history. We’ve also got Neil deGrasse Tyson! We ask him some incredible questions about straw holes, moon landing conspiracies, the Earth being flat, alien visitations, tush pushes, and so much more! Check out Neil’s new book at: https://books.disney.com/book/lost-in-space/ For more details on our upcoming Philly Tailgate visit: https://kelceclubhouse.com/ Watch and listen to new episodes of New Heights every Wednesday during the NFL season and follow us on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow You can also listen to new episodes on Wondery, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. . . . Watch the full episode here: Prime:https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0JLG80EV3QTOUJWLN8KSQ3OSTL?ref_=atv_dp_share_cu_r Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Support the show: STOUFFER’S: When the clock strikes dinner, think Stouffer's. AMERICAN EXPRESS: $241 billion is based on an aggregate of average spend as reported by consumers in Amex-commissioned surveys since 2012 of consumers who shopped small. Does not reflect actual receipts or sales PLANET FITNESS: At Planet Fitness, getting fit doesn't have to be a whole big thing. Get started today at https://planetfitness.com COLGATE: Colgate Total prevents problems before they start. Available on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/ColgateTotalAmazon. PEPSI: Bring great taste to your tailgate. Tailgating Deserves Pepsi. Food Deserves Pepsi. Shop now:https://click2cart.com/17090008 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:59Travis Kelce?

  Thank you to our sponsor, Colgate Total.

• 1:02Speaker 02

  On offense, it's important to prevent problems from the moment the ball is snapped.

• 1:07Travis Kelce?

  That's true. Otherwise, you're just out there running cardio. Can't get open for a big play.

• 1:13Speaker 02

  But it's not just football. There's a lot of things you need to prevent before they start.

• 1:17Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, like in your mouth.

• 1:19Speaker 02

  My mouth specifically?

• 1:21Travis Kelce?

  I mean, probably yours too, but I'm talking everybody's mouth. There's bacteria in there that can lead to oral health problems like cavities, gingivitis.

• 1:32Speaker 02

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• 1:44Travis Kelce?

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• 1:51Speaker 02

  And it's not just one contributing player either. It's a whole system. Toothpaste, mouthwash, and a special toothbrush.

• 1:59Travis Kelce?

  Now that's the squad you want, fighting for your mouth.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  Colgate Total is like having a full playbook in your bathroom, working to help prevent oral health problems before they start.

• 2:09Travis Kelce?

  Get Colgate Total on Amazon today. We're going to take a deep dive into some of the probably most pointless conversation you'll ever have, but it'll be fun.

• 2:19Speaker 03

  I try to deepen people's perspective on the world. Let them make their own opinions, but let it be based in something that's objectively real.

• 2:25Travis Kelce?

  Love it.

• 2:26Speaker 03

  So I got both brothers here, all right?

• 2:28Speaker 02

  Oh, I am a massive fan. I cannot wait to talk with you. This is such an honor.

• 2:35Travis Kelce?

  Such an honor.

• 2:36Speaker 02

  Seriously. I tried to read Astrophysics for People in a Hurry. Apparently I was in too much of a hurry.

• 2:43Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  It was hard.

• 2:47Speaker 03

  What are you saying? You need, there's a version for kids called Astrophysics for Young People in a Hurry.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  That's what I need, that's what I need.

• 2:53Speaker 03

  That's for 10 year olds.

• 3:01Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of Wondery Show, brought to you by Stofers. We are your hosts, I'm Travis Kelce, my big brother Jason Kelce out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the Heights, shout out to the Bearcats. Subscribe on YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. Jason, why don't you tell everybody what we got going on this week?

• 3:23Speaker 02

  Oh, 92% as we got a little Chiefs Broncos action, a little trade deadline coming up. Neil deGrasse Tyson is here to talk through all of our crazy space questions that we might have for an astrophysicist. So let's get into it right now with a little bit of that new news.

• 3:39Travis Kelce?

  New news.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  New news is brought to you by Stofers. And that brings us to the New Heights Tailgate. That's right, presented by Stofers. We'll be in Philly this Sunday, November 8th, before the Eagles take on the Giants.

• 3:52Travis Kelce?

  How about it?

• 3:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, baby.

• 3:54Travis Kelce?

  We got some good stuff for this tailgate or what?

• 3:56Speaker 02

  Oh, man, I think we got a lot of fun planned. We're going to be at Stateside Live. It is a free event, open to the public, no game tickets required. We're going to have food, merch, games, DJ, photo wall. Head to out of the house page on the Kelsey Clubhouse for all the details. We have some sumo suits, that's right. Obviously, there's a wrestling video went viral. So we're going to get some people in some sumo suits battling for some prizes as well as a little hobby horsing kind of contest, it appears. I don't know what the track that we've laid down for them, but there's going to be some shenanigans to watch before this game against the Giants. If you want to compete, you can hit up New Heights Social and submit all your information or I don't know, whatever Jake does after that, so.

• 4:43Travis Kelce?

  It's electric.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  We've also got another bonus episode coming out this Friday. We talked with college football coach legend Nick Saban. That's right, again, that episode will be out Friday. So follow and subscribe wherever you listen to your podcasts. That's new news brought to you by Stofers. Trav, let's start with some bold topics.

• 5:01Travis Kelce?

  All right, let's get into it. Bold topics brought to you by Pepsi and we lost to the Broncos in a nail biter. Came all the way down to the last play.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  24-28. It did come down to the last play, came down to a couple of plays right before the end of the game there. It was kind of crazy, you guys were not able to punch it in. Hard fought game. Trav, what are your thoughts following the mile high failure?

• 5:26Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't our best performance, but we fought through some adversity there throughout the game, obviously. Wish we would have finished it better. Penalties will kill you in this league and right now we are, we are killing ourselves in that regard. I'm at the forefront. I think it's my third week in a row. I've had a fucking procedural penalty that's halted the driver. We're going backwards instead of going forwards and I've been doing this too long to be hurting my team like that. And I mean, it's just inexcusable. And obviously throughout the game, there were a lot of, a lot of them that stopped drives that put us in tough positions and tough situations, including the last one.

• 6:09Travis Kelce?

  And I mean, I love JMo and JMo knows we're rocking with him every single day of the week and he'll fix it, just like I got to get mine fixed and the rest of the team that got flagged over the course of the game and is asked to get it fixed. So I'm not blaming it all on penalties. We still got to execute in the, in the run game. We had a bunch of chances down there in the, in the red zone at the end to be able to punch it in and just didn't execute, didn't execute the game, didn't execute the play as it was called, got the looks that we were looking for on the majority of them. And we just got to make a play, man. And it's just unfortunate that it happened to a team like the Broncos who are now, I believe, ahead of us in the, in the standings for the, for the division.

• 6:51Travis Kelce?

  And we just got to make sure that we, we gear back up. You know, we can't let this get us down. We got to keep fighting, keep figuring out ways to win ballgames and just know that we got everything we need right here in the building to get that done.

• 7:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, listen, you guys were, I know it comes down to last play and Jalen Moore with the false start and ended up taking back a would be touchdown to take the lead late, I mean, pretty much at the end of the game.

• 7:15Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that's going to be, that's going to be what everybody talks about, but there's four quarters of football that we could have executed way better.

• 7:21Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, really for three quarters, you guys executed great up until the fourth quarter, you guys are leading by what 11? You guys had a fourth and inches that elected to kind of punt on.

• 7:31Travis Kelce?

  That feels like a situation where we would go for it.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  It was close because you guys are already up two scores. You don't want to give them a short field. So I was like, okay, maybe that's what Andy's thinking. But I was watching, I was like, this is like a clear, I mean, I know you guys don't run sneak, but it was like, I think it was less than six inches. This thing, a matter of fact, I was waiting to see if you guys were going to challenge it because I think it was Emmett Johnson on the play before, he got forced out and it was, I mean, it was really close to that first down marker. Either way, you guys are in a position to win the game. Credit the Broncos, I mean, Bo Nix, for some reason in the fourth quarter at the end of games, even dating back to last year, he kicks it into another gear, starts pushing the ball down the field. They made some big plays when it mattered most, but you guys still had the opportunity to win it. You brought up the false start. We do have it in the rundown.

• 8:18Speaker 02

  Let's bring it up now, Brandon, because it is a, it was a touchdown that was called back due to a false start, which kind, I don't know when they were blowing the whistle or at what point that all happened, but the play did good off and it wasn't a play to touchdown. A lot of people saying this isn't a penalty. I want to go on record, this is definitely a penalty. It is hard to see from the overhead angle. The overhead angle, you don't get a good view of how much Jalen actually.

• 8:45Travis Kelce?

  Flinches.

• 8:46Speaker 02

  Flinches, thank you, flinches is the word.

• 8:47Travis Kelce?

  He flinches.

• 8:48Speaker 02

  If you get the other angle, it's clear that there's a flinch and it's obvious why the official called it. I wanted to bring this up to you though, Travis. Did you guys discuss this? This was confusing to me when I watched this live. And I brought it up to Jeff Schwartz and Mitchell Schwartz, I guess, was also confused on it. The right guard, Trey Smith, is looking back at the quarterback and Creed Humphries head is also looking down. Most of the time when the Chiefs are on silent cadence, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, Creed is the one looking back. You guys don't do guard tap with Trey looking back, do you? So I was looking at this, I'm like, why is Trey looking back there? It looks like they're doing a guard silent cadence. And before this, you can't see it in this play, it was loud and you could see Pat is

• 9:32Speaker 02

  screaming at the receivers to the left to make sure that they know what they're doing or are aligned properly. So whenever there's a holdup in the operation, that. Leads to guys being antsy, but Jalen Moore here. I don't know what happened on this play where Trey's looking back and Creed. But if you watched right when Trey turns around, for those of you watching, the tackle in a silent cadence is perifying the guy that he is blocking over here to the right and the center. And there's not a verbal aspect to this. The moment the center lifts his head up, he's gotta go. And he's gotta time that up. You're not looking at the center when it happens. You're seeing his head out of the peripheral of your left eye.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  So Trey looking back and then all of a sudden snapping forward is within that kind of plane of psyche. I don't know. You don't want all this movement happening. And I'll say this, I've said it for a while. Creed is a quick silent cadence. When his head comes up, that ball comes out fast. So that even makes the tackle more like more in a hurry to get off the snap count. A lot of guys will go up and then they'll tisk their head or something like that. Give it just a little bit more of a pause so the tackle can try and time it. Creed lifts his head up and he snaps it quick. So I can see why Jalen Moore, I don't want to make excuses for him like he's gotta be locked in. But there's a lot of shit happening inside of here. I was confused on why there's so many guys looking back in the first place.

• 11:00Speaker 02

  What was getting communicated? I kind of felt bad for Jalen, to be honest with you, because it, this whole thing came down to him getting a false start. And I don't know what the fuck is going on in there.

• 11:09Travis Kelce?

  Well, at the end of the day, we still had another play left. And I, I'll take, you know, my guys at Pat Mahomes on the six yard line with, you know,

• 11:19Speaker 02

  Fair.

• 11:19Travis Kelce?

  The game on the line, I'll take that any day of the week. So we gotta execute at the end even, even more. We can't let the, the, the penalty, you know, absolutely deflate us and not let us execute at the end of the game. And, uh, and just regroup and make sure that we, we find a way to fucking win that football game. It's just, it is what it is. You gotta, you gotta be able to, you know, play the cards you're dealt. And, uh, and like I said, just find a way to fucking get the job done.

• 11:45Speaker 02

  Well, fans pointed out this picture. You want to pull that up, Brandon? Cause I do think it's appropriate to talk about, not for the Chiefs, but I just want to bring a point up. But what quarterback sneak, not tush push is kind of the parameters for it. So before there was a tush push, you see, you guys did a great job of circling this. Who did that circle? What's this guy's name?

• 12:04Travis Kelce?

  Taylor Witt.

• 12:05Speaker 02

  Taylor Witt, good job circling the open A gap. So the A gap between, is between the center and guard. There's two A gaps. There's one between the center and right guard, and there's one between the center and the left guard. Whenever you are in a one yard or less situation and you are under center and the defense gives you an open A gap, as we can see right here with the right A gap. This is how you used to run quarterback sneaks. Whenever a team gave that A gap open, we would just automatically go into a quarterback sneak mode. It would be like an instant check at the line and you would just run sneak because it's, it's, I don't know that I've ever seen quarterbacks, and I hesitate saying that because that's an audacious statement.

• 12:48Speaker 02

  But we're talking like well into the 95% success rate with an open A gap. Like it's just very, very unlikely that a team is going to stop a quarterback sneak in this front. That being said, the reason they don't do it is because Patrick Mahomes almost ended his season, uh, trying to do it at one point. I know you guys have done it with Noah Gray. The problem with that is that obviously when Noah goes under center, teams know you're running quarterback sneak. So you're not going to get an open A gap like this. This would also be a play where I feel like you could just check dive.

• 13:22Travis Kelce?

  Well, that was the play. The play was dive.

• 13:24Speaker 02

  I know, I know.

• 13:25Travis Kelce?

  And we didn't block it right.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. I saw it on the outside. Uh, it's whatever. Yeah. For some reason they let 24 crease right in there. Whatever. Anyways, um, I didn't know this was going to be in the rundown. I saw it in the rundown. I thought it was a, I always like talking about quarterback sneak. And this open A gap is a big tell for when teams should be running quarterback sneak.

• 13:46Travis Kelce?

  We haven't been a QB sneak team really since that, uh, since that occasion. And, um, I feel like we've been pretty good on short yardage, uh, up to this season, up to this season. Right now we're, we're struggling on, on, on figuring out what the, uh, what the right magic is for, uh, short yardage, but, um, you know, I think we got the coaches and the, and the players to figure it out. We just gotta, we just gotta put our mind to it. And like I said, the play we ran was the right call. We just had to block it right. And, um,

• 14:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:15Travis Kelce?

  It's, uh, it's unfortunate that, uh, that it didn't work, but we came back on the next play. Called the right play against the right coverage, got a touchdown, but the penalty held us back. And yeah, it's just, it's, it's just, you know, execution and making sure that we're all on the same page.

• 14:31Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 14:32Travis Kelce?

  And, and the, the right plays are being called and it's our job to go out there and get it done. So.

• 14:38Speaker 02

  All righty, well, positive note, uh, we did get, I mean, Emmett Johnson, holy shit. I mean, and he had, it had been brewing, like he had been making some big plays, some explosives. You saw the elusiveness. He was outstanding in this game. I mean, really, when you guys needed it, he was the one that was providing a lot of the juice. And I mean, obviously it's, it's relied heavily.

• 15:01Travis Kelce?

  He's got a bunch of juice, man. The guy's got fucking energy. He plays the game right. He shows up to work with the right mentality. Um, he's just have been absorbing everything he could possibly learn from all the coaches, from DeMarco Murray to, to, you know, Coach Reed, Kenneth Walker, even obviously the enemy, the enemy being, you know, the offensive coordinator and him being a, uh, NFL running back, listening to everything he has to say. And it's a mentality in that room. That room is, uh, it's right now is playing as good as any room in the league. And I, I just, uh, for Emmett to finally have a huge game and get his first, uh, career touchdown. Um, I was happy as hell for him.

• 15:41Speaker 02

  That touchdown was savvy too. I mean, that little juke move right at the end of it.

• 15:45Travis Kelce?

  Right at the end.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  Stop, start.

• 15:46Travis Kelce?

  He almost fell.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  He did. It wasn't the cleanest, but.

• 15:51Travis Kelce?

  But a lesser athlete would have felt.

• 15:53Speaker 02

  That's right. My fat ass would have been on the ground.

• 15:56Travis Kelce?

  Right here, you see him trying to cut back.

• 15:58Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:59Travis Kelce?

  Oh, it still got in there though.

• 16:02Speaker 02

  Go back to the start of this, Brandon, because this has been something that I, I really like. The, um, the Eagles had a big play to Saquon down in the red zone. The Bills have been doing this for years. When you're playing these man coverage teams, the way the Broncos are and they're blitzing and stuff like that. I love when the back releases across the formation like this, because it is so hard for those guys to keep track of them. They all expect the running back to release to the side he is in, in shotgun. Go back to the start real quick. They all think he's going to go to the right if, if it's a pass play. But all of a sudden you get a little play action and he slips out of there. The Bills do a great job of this with, with Cook. I'm a huge fan of teams that do this.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  It's an underrated way to create traffic and to mess with the linebackers, which way they're kind of opening to what receiver? Like you gotta open a number three. Well, now number three is going across formation. So now it's a two by two and all this shit.

• 16:56Travis Kelce?

  Where, where it gets confusing for the most of is, uh, it's that double A look where, or you get those backers pressuring up the middle. And now it puts a read for the guy, two guys on the end to have to take the back in man to man coverage. And I think that's what Benito, uh, down here 15 was, uh,

• 17:15Speaker 02

  They think they have pure responsibility.

• 17:16Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. When he goes inside.

• 17:18Speaker 02

  They go, that's the key, because teams put pure responsibility on these pressures. Now this one might not be that. I don't want to speak for this exact pressure.

• 17:27Travis Kelce?

  I hear you.

• 17:27Speaker 02

  But I like it in the red zone for the same thing with like Saw, where it's like, hey, if you slip this guy up inside, all of a sudden the end can forget to peel. Because less and less teams do it where the mic has the back man, because you can actually block that. And it takes a little bit longer for the green dogs. So then they'll put like the pure responsibility on it. And then if he releases inside, nobody has.

• 17:47Travis Kelce?

  He had a good game, yeah. And it's, uh, hopefully more, uh, good games to come out of the, out of the young man.

• 17:53Speaker 02

  I think I liked about him too. I've known he's elusive and like, uh, like a agility guy for a while. He had some really hard runs in this game where he was breaking tackles.

• 18:03Travis Kelce?

  He's a strong back, man.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:04Travis Kelce?

  He's a strong back. There's a reason why he led the big 10 in rushing, that's for sure.

• 18:08Speaker 02

  All righty, what do the Chiefs need to do right before the Jets game?

• 18:12Travis Kelce?

  We talked about it, penalties. It is what it is. If we clean up penalties, man, and I think we could be as good as we want to be in this league. And, uh, that's the message in the building. Um, and that's the message from, from our, our, our leader up front. Um, and you know, I think, uh, we clean up a lot of these things. We keep executing at a high level, keep putting up points for our defense and our defense will clean it up as well. So I think, uh, we just gotta focus on ourselves, man.

• 18:37Speaker 02

  Jake, who are you rooting for?

• 18:38Speaker 04

  Don't make me do this, Jason.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  Well, I'm, I, I, I think it's a responsible thing. Are you rooting for your friend? Are you, we've been, we've been in this predicament our whole entire career. So now you gotta answer it.

• 18:50Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm absolutely rooting for Travis for sure. I am a hundred percent rooting for Travis.

• 18:56Travis Kelce?

  You hear that Jets fans? He's a fucking phony. He's a phony.

• 19:00Speaker 04

  I said I was rooting for Travis. I didn't say I was rooting for the Chiefs.

• 19:04Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 19:06Travis Kelce?

  Wow. You're gonna fucking be all sympathy with me now? You're like, I'm rooting for you. You don't give a fuck about me, Jake.

• 19:13Speaker 02

  You don't know a single one of those Jets players. You don't know a single one. All because your elementary school teacher converted you to a Jets fan. You're gonna abandon Travis.

• 19:22Speaker 04

  I can't abandon my team. You wouldn't want fans of the Eagles or fans of the Chiefs abandoning the team after a losing streak. So I gotta stick with my guys, but.

• 19:31Travis Kelce?

  Well, at least my sister-in-law will tell me to my face, fuck you.

• 19:38Speaker 04

  Fair enough. Fair enough.

• 19:40Travis Kelce?

  Good luck to your Jets, bud.

• 19:41Speaker 04

  Good luck to you, Travis.

• 19:42Travis Kelce?

  I'll take all the luck I can get.

• 19:43Speaker 04

  It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if the Jets continued to lose games and got a better draft pick. I'll say that.

• 19:48Travis Kelce?

  This guy's already looking at.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  This is like, that's such a broken fucking, and we're kind of dealing with right now the Eagles. Like there's people like, oh, we're gonna, we're gonna sell people just like, I just like.

• 20:00Travis Kelce?

  It's not that there's an integrity, there's an integrity that you need to play the game with.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  I know fans don't want to hear it, but like you can't just lose games on purpose to get a high draft pick and think your team's magically going to be repaired.

• 20:13Travis Kelce?

  That's just not, one player isn't gonna make things, it could make things better. I'll say that.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  I mean, listen, if it's Peyton Manning, then yeah, I guess, but I just, it's, it's gonna be hard to replace the culture of losing games in the NFL. It's just not a, as opposed to some other sports.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  It is a lot harder to have a culture of like, playing hard, physical, for each other than it is on just like, you know, having a LeBron James or something like that back there. Like I just, um, all right. You want to move on? Let's go.

• 20:47Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, let's do it. Let's move on to the Eagles. Uh, now that we're talking Eagles, Eagles 10, Commanders 27 on a little Sunday night football. Uh, the Eagles lose six straight. For the first time, uh, since 2012.

• 21:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, I remember that. That was a rough year.

• 21:04Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that was the last, uh, that was the Andy Reid finale.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was the year I tore my ACL. I was watching that. That was not a fun deal to witness take place.

• 21:14Travis Kelce?

  Well, thoughts on the game?

• 21:15Speaker 02

  Listen, we lost, uh, I, I don't really have many thoughts other than it's a frustrating, uh, team to watch right now. Obviously they've had a lot of injuries and things go wrong and you know, every step of the way, you kind of think, oh, they're about to make, you know, an improvement here. Like the offensive line last week against Dallas plays really well. I thought protected pretty well, got the run game going, especially in the first half. And they come back this week, but again, like unblock guys running through things that we've kind of seen and we've been waiting for it to kind of really correct. And you know, they have, they've had guys in and out of the lineups. Obviously they're playing with a backup quarterback. They're onto their sixth string running back basically now because Saquon still is hampered a little bit. And then defensively, you know, the second half has just been,

• 22:00Speaker 02

  you know, their Achilles heel really most of the season, but especially these last two games. Like,

• 22:07Speaker 02

  you know, it's, it's been a tale of two halves for the offense and defense for the most part. And it, it reared again, you know what I mean? Like they're, they're in it in the second half and you know, I know that the offense isn't doing the defense any help. They've been put in bad situations like they've, I don't know where it is now, but going into last week, they were like the fourth most snaps as a defense because there's a lot of three and outs.

• 22:32Travis Kelce?

  It's just impossible. Yeah, it's impossible to, to ask the defense to be able to keep.

• 22:37Speaker 02

  Well, it's not impossible. Like Minnesota's right up there. Their offense is atrocious and that's the only reason they're winning games because their defense has sustained. But it is definitely harder to do than if the offense was well functioning in the second half, especially.

• 22:50Travis Kelce?

  I'll ask you this, knowing the answer. Where does a team sit mentally? After six straight losses?

• 22:59Speaker 02

  Well, that's the thing, man. I don't think you've ever had this. What's the most, what's the most losses you've ever had in a road trip?

• 23:05Travis Kelce?

  Five.

• 23:05Speaker 02

  Five? What year was that? Last year?

• 23:07Travis Kelce?

  Uh, I think it was 2016.

• 23:10Speaker 02

  16.

• 23:10Travis Kelce?

  We ended up making the, we rambled off 11 in a row.

• 23:13Speaker 02

  Fuck yeah. Hopefully the Eagles can do that. Um, dude, when you lose games consecutively, it really tests the fortitude of the locker room. That's just the reality of it. It tests the leadership, it tests the coaches. It is very easy to be a leader and a coach when things are going well in the NFL. Where it really tests people is when things aren't going well, you're searching for answers. How well do guys stay together? How well do people try and figure out answers and have hard discussions and remain accountable to themselves and not start thinking about what's gonna happen down the road, or I'm getting the blame, or all of these other things. And losing consecutive games,

• 23:57Speaker 02

  losing in general is just like a poison in a lot of ways. It can be great. It can humble you and force you to have real discussions that make you better as a player and as a team. But it can also, you know, it happens over and over and over again. It really can have a compounding effect as a group in your psyche. Um, so they're getting tested right now, but I know a lot of those guys personally. I know Jordan Mulatto, I know, I know Saquon Barkley, you know, there's guys out there that are, are definitely taking accountability and trying to get this thing right. And they need a win bad. They need a win bad just for, you know, that little bit of optimism of like, hey, what we're doing

• 24:40Speaker 02

  is we're on the right track. We're, just keep putting your head down and working and keep grinding. Finish just a little bit harder. Do your job just a little bit with more strain. All these little things and with each successive loss, it becomes harder and harder to keep the team together, to be honest with you.

• 24:58Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. I mean, it just takes the wind out of your sails. And, uh, you know, it's, uh, it's, it's gonna challenge the leadership and it's gonna challenge the, uh, the integrity of the office. And, and you just gotta keep showing up to work and keep finding ways and, um, attack the problems. Can't run from this shit in this league, man. That shit's just only gonna keep getting more and more exposed.

• 25:18Speaker 02

  Like we have on here, what should Eagles fans be watching more? We should be watching for them not making these mistakes. Like the controllable things should be getting fixed.

• 25:25Travis Kelce?

  That's the thing.

• 25:26Speaker 02

  It's one thing about a guy getting beat. You penalties, you know, like knowing your assignment, going to the right guys. All of these little things that has to be getting cleaned up and it was starting to last game reverted back a little bit in this game. You want to see that stuff beginning to get taken care of. You want to see guys fighting. You want to see who's fighting. I had a very rare career where I played over a decade with four different guys through four different head coaches. Do you know how rare that is to have that kind of continuity in a building through rebuilds multiple times? And that's one thing I think a lot of the fans right now are like, oh, like

• 26:07Speaker 02

  we're gonna trade Saquon, we're gonna trade this. One thing the Eagles have done a great job of in all these transitions. They prioritize talented people, talented players, talented coaches, talented front office people. And they, in general, even in transitions, they retain players that they know are a part of playing the way they want to play. Leaders, guys that play the game the right way and work hard that they want to be in there. We're gonna keep talented players. We're gonna keep Brandon Graham, Brent Selig, Jason Peters, Lane Johnson. Uh, you know, Brandon Graham, Fletcher, we're not gonna get rid of these pieces. They're gonna be a part of what we're building on in the future.

• 26:51Speaker 02

  And they did the same thing with Stout, who was retained through Chip Kelly and retained through Doug Pearson. The same thing with Deuce Staley. They kept around Corey Olin for a number of those years. They kept around Dave Fifth, the special teams coach. They kept front office people in analytics realm of like, anywhere where people bring in value, they always prioritize keeping talented individuals in the building.

• 27:10Travis Kelce?

  Right.

• 27:10Speaker 02

  Eagles fans the rest of the way. I don't like hearing the whole rebuild thing because I just firmly don't believe in that kind of mindset. You try and win and then obviously you're going to be in a mindset of trying to acquire resources to continue to build a roster more when you realize you're short in areas like the Eagles are.

• 27:28Travis Kelce?

  Anybody that's screaming rebuild, show me one rebuild. Like show, show me where the rebuild has ever like, that mentality has ever paid off.

• 27:37Speaker 02

  I mean, I guess recently you could point to like New England in some ways after the Bill Belichick thing with Drake May, but I just, I, my, my thing is you,

• 27:48Speaker 02

  there are a lot of teams that start rebuilding and then they're rebuilding for a decade. We, we grew up in Cleveland. Browns have been rebuilding for fucking 20 years. 20, what, not since 1996, the Browns are rebuilding, right?

• 28:02Speaker 02

  The Jaguars are finally on track with Liam Cohen. They got a great roster now. They've been rebuilding for how many years? And you know, there's a reason why teams like the Steelers and, uh, teams like the Chiefs and teams like, where there's sustained success. There's a culture I hate, and again, I hate using the culture word. I brought this up on the, there's a way of going about business that is demanded and, um, understood when you have retained people. You can't just be like, oh, we're gonna trade all of our assets for draft picks and build brand new. And then these guys are just gonna know how, what the expectation is in practice, what the expectation is in games. And

• 28:48Speaker 02

  there's a shared vision of football that I have. I have a very unrealistic sense of the NFL because I only play with the Philadelphia Eagles. And I learned my entire craft from Brent Selig and Todd Harramans and Michael Vick. And all of those guys that learned from Brian Dawkins and there's retained knowledge that happens when you, when you have uh, pieces that sustain all this stuff.

• 29:13Travis Kelce?

  I hear you on that.

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• 29:19Travis Kelce?

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• 30:17Travis Kelce?

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• 30:34Travis Kelce?

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• 31:03Travis Kelce?

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• 31:14Travis Kelce?

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• 32:05Speaker 02

  All right. Let's get into the rest of week eight. No more undefeated teams are left. That's right. The Lions beat the Minnesota Vikings in an outstanding game, Trav. I don't know if you were able to.

• 32:15Travis Kelce?

  The only thing I saw was the CFL play or what people are calling the CFL play, which was, I'm not going to lie. I feel like it's a slap in the face to the defense that this even fucking worked, right?

• 32:26Speaker 02

  I don't know. So Ryan Pagnetti, actually, senior correspondent on numbers for New Heights, has been showing a lot of these motions and formations where they line up deep, they get like a running start and then they go lateral or they'll line up deep and they get, catch a ball going a thousand miles an hour. I can't tell yet if this is good shit or not. Like I really, it's, he catches it going so fast.

• 32:49Travis Kelce?

  Does he?

• 32:50Speaker 02

  But I feel like you're, you're kind of tipping your hand a little bit. Like what else are you going to do from this formation? Now, what teams are starting to do, which I kind of like, is they're running straight ahead and then right before the snap, they're either turning left or right. So they're kind of like rolling into a motion.

• 33:08Travis Kelce?

  Oh, you're talking about like the banana motion that Husek and they were doing?

• 33:12Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no. This is more in college. They really haven't started doing it in the NFL yet. But like, imagine if you're, so like typically if you're in motion on the right side, you go, you go laterally to the left, right? So what these guys are doing is they're, they're running straight, which is an illegal motion if the ball was snapped, but right before the ball is snapped, they either round it to the right or round it to the left. And the reason it's interesting to me is if you're a defense, you don't know, is this going to turn into a three by one? Or is this going to turn into a two by two? And it happens really quick as well.

• 33:48Travis Kelce?

  This is hilarious. I haven't seen this.

• 33:50Speaker 02

  So they're doing it a little bit in like the lower levels. It's not that common yet.

• 33:56Travis Kelce?

  I mean, that's how, that's how it happens. It starts at like the D3 school and everybody's like, that was kind of sweet. A lot of like, what is it called? Trick plays?

• 34:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:06Travis Kelce?

  I mean, it's coming from a grainy film from a school that doesn't have any stands. That's just, you know what I mean? It's just like, guys that just love ball. They're just sitting there thinking about crazy shit.

• 34:17Speaker 02

  There's some interesting things happening with like stuff like this play where Amon Ross, 15 yards deep catches a bubble going a thousand miles an hour. And then some of these motions where they're actually running forward like a CFL motion. So you build up speed and then you round it out at the end. I don't know if it's useful or not yet. It's hard to tell, but it's cool watching people kind of do new things to me. Did you see what Chip did this past week? Chip Kelly? We don't even have this in the rundown.

• 34:42Travis Kelce?

  No, I didn't even realize he was in Northwestern, but I did see this. He ran a kind of like a snake play from a three.

• 34:49Speaker 02

  It was a switch motion. Yes. Like a Maryland eye offset. It was, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 34:54Travis Kelce?

  Brilliant. Brilliant. Took the cap off the defense, pulled some defenders out of the middle of the field.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  Look at this formation.

• 35:03Travis Kelce?

  I mean, it's, it's brilliant. You can get a clean release because this is, I mean, it's technically single high and he's running right down the middle of the fucking field.

• 35:13Speaker 02

  It's kind of like, uh, this is what you have to do if you're Northwestern. We gotta outthink these guys.

• 35:21Travis Kelce?

  We gotta use our degree, boys.

• 35:23Speaker 02

  Any place that has one of the top ranked law schools, we're going to have to come up with a place like this to try it.

• 35:30Speaker 02

  But, um, dude, he also won a game earlier this year, uh, doing like wing T plays. He ran like wing T offense and like had a huge upset. It was like plays from when we were in high school, fucking in Cleveland Heights. I'm like, what the fuck is Chip doing over there? Bro, I, I, I don't know if that was against Oregon or something. He beat some team and it was like wing T football. It was incredible.

• 35:53Travis Kelce?

  He just said, fuck it. I'm about to run midline.

• 35:55Speaker 02

  He just was like, we'll run a Navy offense with no film prep.

• 36:00Travis Kelce?

  I mean, fuck it.

• 36:03Speaker 02

  It's amazing. Look at this shit.

• 36:04Travis Kelce?

  They did not do this all game.

• 36:06Speaker 02

  Bro, I promise you, Penn State.

• 36:11Travis Kelce?

  Midline.

• 36:12Speaker 02

  Midline, but then the reverse to the F.

• 36:14Travis Kelce?

  That was nasty. And it was a good ass cut. Oh my God. That's filthy.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  The chips doing some fun shit in college. Either way, I like doing all this creative stuff. Shout out to Amon Ra. We'll see if it, if it works in the future.

• 36:30Travis Kelce?

  The one thing that's, if you don't get those blocks.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 36:35Travis Kelce?

  Fucking clothesline at full speed, trying to catch the ball.

• 36:39Speaker 02

  As we said, no more unbeaten teams with the Vikings lost to the Lions, but there is still a winless team, the Chargers, which is just like, I mean, this is one of the favorites coming into the season. This has been the wildest story of the year.

• 36:52Travis Kelce?

  It's, it's pretty wild. Yeah. I, nobody, nobody in a million years saw this one coming.

• 36:58Speaker 02

  No one did not see this coming. Everybody thought they were like, almost like a Superbowl contender. It is just not worked out in LA for the Chargers at all. Um, and we are also one week away from the NFL trade deadline. Uh, so far we have some notable trades. Obviously Jeffrey Simmons, for everybody that watched Monday Night Football, he made his impact right away. My goodness.

• 37:20Travis Kelce?

  It was unbelievable, like week for him. You know, you could tell he's, he's got a little bit more energy now he plays. I hadn't seen him get that fired up, uh, from getting a sack in a long time. And Simmons is an unbelievable player and both on and off the field, man. It's a Walter Payton man of the year as well.

• 37:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. Jeffrey is, Simmons is incredible. You know, there was a great clip of Jim Schwartz on Day on Jeremiah's podcast and Jeremiah asked him, you know, what is the position that like makes the biggest difference on defense? Like what's the most important position essentially? And without like even questioning, he said defensive tackle.

• 37:59Travis Kelce?

  Three tech. Oh, is it like three tech? Yeah.

• 38:02Speaker 02

  I mean, honestly, he said he preferably two really good tackles because then there's nothing you can really do as an offense. Like the only thing you can really do is slide to one of the guys. So if you have two really good ones, you're going to get a guaranteed one on one, but. Mainly, he was just talking about defensive tackles and the way they can take over the games. And like, like when, and I disagree with them so much. Everybody talks about the ends and the ends are important. I don't want to like take away from that. Obviously they're highest paid for a reason. But when you have a defensive tackle that can take over the interior of a line of scrimmage, you can play more soft boxes. You can condense things and like let that guy just eat on the inside. When I think of the best, the Super Bowl teams, like whether it's you guys with Chris Jones, whether it's

• 38:45Travis Kelce?

  You guys with

• 38:46Speaker 02

  Us with Jalen Carter or Fletch. Most of these Super Bowl teams and defenses that are really good have great defensive tackles a part of it. So I don't know. This is a huge gift for the Bears who really, this could kind of turn around that defense. They had to do a lot of creative things defensively to generate pressure and do some things. Last night, if that's any indicator against Seattle, Simmons is going to bring a lot to that side of the ball for them. So that's a huge trade.

• 39:11Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 39:11Speaker 02

  Quentin Nelson went to Seattle. I don't, I feel weird about this one because I just have been a big, huge fan of watching him play in Indy his whole career to then

• 39:19Travis Kelce?

  It doesn't feel, it doesn't feel right quite yet. Like him seeing

• 39:22Speaker 02

  Even though it seems like he's very happy about it.

• 39:25Travis Kelce?

  Oh, don't get me wrong. He's in an offense that's, you know, suits his skillset and he's, it's just in the look of it. I can only see him in a Colts uniform and it's just, but he, uh, he had a, I mean, he had a stellar game as well. He was, they showed a few highlights of him getting after the Bears defense.

• 39:42Speaker 02

  And then, uh, DeForest Buckner went back to the Niners from Indy. Indy is selling everybody. Obviously there's a lot of word out there that they're selling Jonathan Taylor is now on the, uh, the trading block. He was in tears, I believe. Did you see that picture after the game? Like you could see the emotion on his face because I think he knows it's probably his last game as a Colt.

• 40:03Travis Kelce?

  It's a frustrating situation for him.

• 40:05Speaker 02

  Oh, maybe that, yeah, maybe I shouldn't read into it too much. Uh, but everybody kind of wants to see where Jonathan Taylor is going to end up. What's a perfect place for Jonathan Taylor to end up? Where could we think? Who could really use?

• 40:18Travis Kelce?

  Go ahead, stay right there in Indianapolis. Stay there, Jonathan.

• 40:23Travis Kelce?

  Go ahead, I mean, stay there. Be in that one organization your whole life. Trust me, drinking from two guys that have been there. It's the best.

• 40:34Speaker 02

  Trying to think like, who's a contender and just needs offensive help? Like ridiculously bad. I think Minnesota needs it. I don't know if it's the best scenario for Jonathan because their offense is not that great. Like, is he really going to bring a lot? But I feel like the Vikings would be pretty incredible. Seahawks, I mean, listen, they let K nine go. Would they make a move for a guy like Jonathan Taylor? I don't know. Yeah, those are my two favorites probably. What about you?

• 40:58Travis Kelce?

  I told you, I think you should just stay with the Colts.

• 41:00Speaker 02

  Perfect. I get it.

• 41:03Travis Kelce?

  Tampa Bay also, uh, became the first NFL team since 1974 to win a game without completing a pass. Are you fucking serious?

• 41:12Speaker 02

  Fucking insane. Baker Mayfield's stat line was oh, for three. He threw three passes the entire game.

• 41:21Travis Kelce?

  Oh my gosh.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  It was a fucking monsoon.

• 41:24Travis Kelce?

  Didn't even attempt to pass in the final 28 minutes.

• 41:28Speaker 02

  So this is my biggest reason, Travis, that I am against domes. I love when the elements

• 41:36Travis Kelce?

  How fun was this game to watch? Is, I, I kind of want to go watch

• 41:39Speaker 02

  I'll be honest, I was not watching this game in a lot of detail.

• 41:41Travis Kelce?

  I want to go, I want to go.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  Now I want to go, let's go back and watch it. Let's go back and watch it.

• 41:45Travis Kelce?

  Go back and watch it for sure. Because there's probably just like

• 41:48Speaker 02

  Insane.

• 41:48Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. It's just the boys are in the backyard just fucking handing that bitch off.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  There's probably a lot of people that were like, this is the most boring game of all time.

• 41:57Travis Kelce?

  No, dude, what, what was the score?

• 41:59Speaker 02

  Like 17 to, it was low. It was like 19 to seven or something like that.

• 42:03Travis Kelce?

  16 to zero.

• 42:06Travis Kelce?

  They didn't even kick extra points.

• 42:09Speaker 02

  Dude, I just love when you gotta get, you gotta get creative. It's like, all right, we're not throwing the ball. I just love when this, this kind of shit happens. Snow, weather.

• 42:18Travis Kelce?

  Baker getting downfield.

• 42:20Speaker 02

  Go, go, go, go, go.

• 42:22Travis Kelce?

  Uh, get him, get him.

• 42:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:27Travis Kelce?

  Let's go, where'd he get dirty? Where'd he get dirty? Six. Where'd he get dirty?

• 42:32Speaker 02

  Fuck yes.

• 42:33Travis Kelce?

  He's like, listen, if we're not passing the ball, I'm getting dirty. I don't give a fuck.

• 42:36Speaker 02

  But these games just end up being so much, just like it's a shit show in the best possible way. Love every second of that.

• 42:43Travis Kelce?

  I'm with you, dude.

• 42:43Speaker 02

  All right, that's it for all of our bold topics from week eight. Bold topics once again is brought to you by Pepsi. All righty, as we said, uh, at the top of the show, we have a special guest for this episode that we've been waiting to get for a while. Hopefully all of you 92%ers are finally happy that we got him. Please welcome Mr. Neil deGrasse Tyson.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  All righty, our guest today is the six foot two astrophysicist from Columbia University. He has 27 honorary degrees. He's a Grammy Award winner. He was awarded a NASA distinguished public service medal. He was named People Magazine Sexiest Astrophysicist Alive.

• 43:22Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  Jason's dream guest since we started the show. That is true. Neil, 92%ers, please welcome Neil deGrasse Tyson.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  Oh, so I have to, I have to correct a couple of things in that intro.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  Hit me, hit me.

• 43:39Speaker 03

  If I may, okay. So yes, it is 22 honorary doctorates, but I don't want anybody to be impressed by that. You should instead be impressed that I attended 27 graduations.

• 43:53Travis Kelce?

  You're a better man than both of us.

• 43:55Speaker 03

  That's the real, that's, that's the achievement that I sat through 27 graduations. A, B, the sexiest astrophysicist alive. That was 45 pounds ago.

• 44:06Speaker 02

  Ah, come on now.

• 44:09Speaker 03

  And B, I don't think that was one of the more competitive categories.

• 44:16Speaker 03

  Okay, no, think about it. Then sexiest action star, sexiest news anchor. There's some handsome men in those categories, you know? So I don't get big headed about that. That's all. Yeah.

• 44:29Speaker 02

  Fair enough. Neil, it's a complete honor to have you on the show. We are not lying. We have been hoping to get you on, uh, since we started this. I've been a big fan of the way you talk about space, the way you engage people who like myself, who don't know anything.

• 44:45Speaker 03

  And I've had people come to me and say, did you know that Jason Kelce name checked you on his bucket? Jason, how, how do we, what?

• 44:55Speaker 02

  Needless to say, we are very happy to have you on. Um, we do have a New Heights question that is beneath you, but we are going to ask it.

• 45:02Speaker 03

  No, no, nothing beneath me.

• 45:03Travis Kelce?

  There's going to be a few of these.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  All righty, so the first one that we need to get out of the way. How many holes does a straw have?

• 45:11Speaker 03

  How many holes does a straw have? A straw have? Topologically, it has one hole.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  Topologically, what is topologically?

• 45:21Speaker 03

  It's a, so it's the study, it's a mathematical branch of studying that studies surfaces, shapes in one dimensions, two dimensions, uh, in multiple dimensions. And so it follows surfaces and the holes that are in the thing really, really matter. So you could take a donut, which has a hole.

• 45:42Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 45:42Speaker 03

  And if it's made of clay, you can distort it and make a straw out of it.

• 45:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 45:48Speaker 03

  It still has one hole. Okay, you can distort the clay of a donut and make a coffee mug that has a little ring for your finger to go through it. If it has two holes, you make different kinds of objects with that. So it's unambiguous. Mathematically, a straw has only one hole. How many holes did you want it to have?

• 46:07Speaker 02

  Well, I, this is where we get, so Travis, Travis is right on this. He was, he always knew it was one hole. I, my argument was there's an entrance and an exit. And I look at it as though the two ends are two separate coming in and out. So like, picture this, you're in a cave. If you're in a cave, Neil.

• 46:26Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 46:26Speaker 02

  Is there a hole on either end or are you just in one giant hole?

• 46:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, so that's a great question. I hadn't thought about the cave version of this.

• 46:38Speaker 02

  We go deep here, we go deep here.

• 46:39Speaker 03

  Here's the one, here's, here we, we've all thought this as a kid. If you dig a hole through the earth, that comes out the other side and then you jump in. If I described that to you, I'd say you're jumping in the hole.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 46:52Speaker 03

  And someone on the other side would say they're jumping in their hole.

• 46:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 46:55Speaker 03

  Right?

• 46:56Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 46:56Speaker 03

  And by the way, if you fell through, you'd come out the other side 45 minutes later.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 47:03Speaker 03

  That's the strength of gravity pulling on you to, to accomplish. In fact, we, we have a, my, my own podcast, Star Talk, we did a little thing on a hole through the, through the earth. So no, no, everything between those two exits, the, the entrance and the exit, topologically is one hole.

• 47:20Speaker 02

  Understood.

• 47:21Speaker 03

  Just deal with it.

• 47:22Travis Kelce?

  Okay.

• 47:24Travis Kelce?

  That's a win for the good guys.

• 47:26Speaker 03

  By the way, if you try to use it as a mini telescope and you look through it.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 47:31Speaker 03

  It's one hole through the straw. It's one hole.

• 47:34Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 47:34Travis Kelce?

  How familiar are you with, uh, how funny the NFL players conspiracy theories can be?

• 47:40Speaker 03

  No, no couple, but no, not in general. No.

• 47:43Travis Kelce?

  You can't go an entire week without hearing somebody say, we didn't go to the moon.

• 47:49Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 47:50Travis Kelce?

  So here's my

• 47:52Speaker 02

  We, we need your help. We're listening to your help.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  Okay, so this is where the bat signal, the bat signal comes in. We need emergency help.

• 48:01Travis Kelce?

  Somebody who actually knows what they're talking about.

• 48:02Speaker 02

  There's a couple, there's a couple here. Like we, what is the best?

• 48:06Travis Kelce?

  One, one, do you think we did? And two, do you believe that the footage we gave the world is real?

• 48:15Speaker 03

  Of course it is.

• 48:18Speaker 03

  It's not, okay. The good thing about science, it's true whether or not you believe in it.

• 48:27Speaker 03

  So yeah, so I would ask if you so here's what you do. Ask other questions back to this person. Okay. You they saw the rocket launch. Okay. They're not denying the rocket launch. Where did they think that rocket was going? The Piggly Wiggly down the street to get some groceries? No, you can add up all the fuel that's in that rocket. And with a little bit of physics, you can show that's enough fuel to orbit the earth, leave earth, go to the moon, orbit the moon, come back to earth.

• 49:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:02Speaker 03

  A, there's that. Okay. Now, we went to the moon nine times. Okay.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  How about that?

• 49:11Speaker 03

  As Apollo eight through Apollo seventeen. Okay, Apollo eight didn't land, Apollo thirteen didn't land, but they went to the moon. You would have to say that we faked the moon landing nine times.

• 49:29Speaker 03

  Who does that? Who does that? So let me keep going. You tell me when to stop. Okay.

• 49:36Speaker 03

  That NASA was gonna lose the contest with Russia. And so the Soviets, and so they went to Hollywood. It's a Hollywood, don't tell anybody, but we're gonna have to fake this because we're not ever gonna get there. We gotta beat the Russians. And so they said, we'll get our best special effects people. We'll study the problem. A week later, they come back to NASA and say, we studied the problem. And what we've concluded is to make the most convincing fakery, we should do this on location.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  Great. That does that does lead me to one of my favorite videos I've ever seen.

• 50:14Speaker 03

  What's that?

• 50:14Speaker 02

  Debunking the myths about this conspiracy. There's a Stanley Kubrick video on online where he goes into, not only did we not fake it, but the technology of the camera things you guys are saying, we couldn't even the the frames per second. We couldn't slow down at that time. It wouldn't even be possible to do what you guys are saying.

• 50:36Speaker 03

  Generally, so everything is a conspiracy if you don't know anything about anything.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  I'm just saying.

• 50:48Speaker 03

  And and you hear, you know, one of them is, well, the, you know, in the daytime, you can see the stars on the moon. How come the photos don't show stars in the thing? Well, because the camera is exposing for the light available to it. And starlight is really, really, really dim compared with the sunlight illuminating the surface of the moon. So it doesn't have the right exposure for that. It's a simple explanation, but people are so conspiracy driven that they're not looking for the answers that will resolve their suspicions. And 100% of conspiracy theories are they, they, they already know what they need the answer to be.

• 51:30Speaker 03

  And if something doesn't fit, they either say it's being withheld or that they are.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  Withholding it.

• 51:40Speaker 03

  That way they can bridge the gaps in their knowledge and in their awareness of reality. So that we, when we brought back moon rocks, we, we spread them around the world. This is what you do as scientists. This is how, this is how that works.

• 51:54Speaker 02

  This is my debunking of moon landing.

• 51:57Speaker 03

  By the way, we haven't even gotten to aliens yet. And you're jumping all over. We're just talking about the moon.

• 52:02Speaker 02

  The two biggest ones, for some reason, in NFL locker rooms that are kind of crazy are we didn't go to the moon. And then flat earth. I'm sure you have heard, unfortunately, of people that somehow believe that the earth is flat and not round.

• 52:17Speaker 03

  I don't hit people over the head. We live in a free country where we tell ourselves we do.

• 52:27Speaker 03

  Okay, so, so in a free country, you think whatever you want. Okay. I'm not gonna chase you down. But if you think earth is flat, I just don't want you to become head of NASA.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  We could stick to football with.

• 52:45Speaker 03

  Play on a flat field.

• 52:51Speaker 03

  That's fine.

• 52:54Speaker 03

  Even the field is curved.

• 52:58Speaker 03

  You have a drainage curvature. Right, right. So, so I, I, there are plenty of jobs for you if you need earth to be flat in your cosmology. But here's the best one. Ready? You, you guys play football. Here it is. I live on the East Coast. It's Sunday. Everybody's playing their games. Okay. You guys play in the winter where the sun sets early. There's no daylight saving time. I am in the dark in New York City, watching the 49ers at home, and the sun is up. That can only happen if earth is round. Football players.

• 53:41Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 53:43Speaker 03

  Best example of a round earth. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. Okay. Because just you can't have sunshine in San Francisco and darkness in New York unless earth is round. And, and, and now there's a, there's a funner way to show that. That's the blunt, easy way to convince people in the locker room what's going. You guys don't watch your own games. We watch your games and I can see the multiple games, some are in sunshine while others are in darkness. Okay.

• 54:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 54:12Speaker 03

  B, here's a fun one. You lay down on a beach. Okay. Your feet facing sunset, if you, if the configuration is right. Your feet are facing sunset and you're laying down and you're looking straight along your body.

• 54:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 54:28Speaker 03

  The instant the sun sets, immediately stand up. And then the sun rises again.

• 54:36Speaker 03

  In that moment, you're seeing beyond the curvature that laying down flat dip. You have to do it quick. You gotta be able to get it quick. It's harder in sand, but you can do it and the sun shows up again. So these are experiments you can do.

• 54:49Speaker 02

  It'd be especially big for me if I was looking at my feet because my belly would make it fat.

• 54:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, another curvature right there.

• 54:59Speaker 03

  Okay, here's what you do. You, you put a little dip for your butt to sink in and then your belly goes horizontal.

• 55:08Speaker 03

  Is that what happens after you retire? The belly comes back?

• 55:11Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, it went away for a little bit. It's back in full force now. I need to get back on the diet.

• 55:16Speaker 03

  Man, yeah. And Travis, you're still active, right, dude?

• 55:19Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I'm still.

• 55:23Speaker 03

  Why am I looking at you? Shouldn't you be on a field somewhere training?

• 55:26Travis Kelce?

  I just did. I just did. We do this after the training on Tuesdays. Tuesdays are our off days.

• 55:30Speaker 03

  Okay, okay.

• 55:31Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, we're, we're allowed one off day out of every seven days. Union, the union held strong for us.

• 55:39Travis Kelce?

  Get an off day and I'm spending it hanging out with the coolest guy.

• 55:43Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 55:44Travis Kelce?

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• 55:49Speaker 02

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• 55:54Travis Kelce?

  That's true. Otherwise, you're just out there running cardio. Can't get open for a big play.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  But it's not just football. There's a lot of things you need to prevent before they start.

• 56:05Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, like in your mouth.

• 56:07Speaker 02

  My mouth specifically?

• 56:08Travis Kelce?

  I mean, probably yours too, but I'm talking everybody's mouth. There's bacteria in there that can lead to oral health problems like cavities, gingivitis.

• 56:20Speaker 02

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• 56:31Travis Kelce?

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• 56:38Speaker 02

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• 56:46Travis Kelce?

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• 56:49Speaker 02

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• 56:56Travis Kelce?

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• 57:00Speaker 02

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• 57:03Travis Kelce?

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• 57:14Speaker 02

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• 57:18Travis Kelce?

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• 57:25Speaker 02

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• 57:31Travis Kelce?

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• 57:35Speaker 02

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• 57:41Travis Kelce?

  Tailgating deserves Pepsi. Food deserves Pepsi.

• 57:48Speaker 03

  Did you, uh, did you play any sports growing up? Yeah, I did. I wrestled.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  I knew you were wrestling. What was your weight class?

• 57:53Speaker 03

  So I was in, in high school, I was undefeated and captain of the team and I wrestled 190. And that was important because the next category above that was called unlimited.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  Heavyweight. Yeah, you're, you're into the, yeah.

• 58:11Speaker 03

  I had very good incentive to not go come in heavier than 190. But then, just in all fairness to the world out there, I wrestled in New York City, which is not so much a wrestling. We can still kick your ass in the streets of the Bronx, but sure, sure. But it's, it's not a, it's not a wrestling town. When I got to college, then I wrestled like these corn-fed boys.

• 58:38Speaker 03

  You know, then you know, they came right off the farm. Ma, where I put the cast?

• 58:45Speaker 03

  It's a whole other world of wrestlers. And so I had a losing record in college, but I loved the sport so much. And by the way, I was fast and I had good reflexes. So the football coach always wanted me to play football. And I'd say, no, I want to respect my knees a little better than what that.

• 59:02Travis Kelce?

  I can understand that for sure. Jason actually wrestled through middle school.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  Middle school. I played hockey in high school, but.

• 59:08Speaker 03

  Okay, what, what, how much did you weigh in middle school?

• 59:11Speaker 02

  I was 100 and I think the 65.

• 59:15Speaker 03

  Okay, that's up there in middle school. Yeah, yeah.

• 59:18Speaker 02

  I think it was the notch right below heavyweight for middle school.

• 59:20Speaker 03

  For middle school. I also have very long arms. And it's like three or four inches longer than my height. So in wrestling, it, and I have very good reflexes. I just reach in and snap your ankle, not snap it, grab your ankle and trip you down.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  That's what I was. Okay.

• 59:36Speaker 03

  I was very good at that, but since I was typically taller than my. My average opponent, since we're the same weight, if you do the physics of that, they will have bigger muscles than I will. So I don't want to get inside their grip. I have to stay elusive of them.

• 59:50Travis Kelce?

  Keep them out of your chest.

• 59:51Speaker 03

  And I used to dance. I was a performing member of three different dance, college troops, not the bullshoys. But, but ultimately, I was very flexible. And so I can maneuver and move in ways that my wrestler would be surprised by it. And so, yeah, I told, I very much enjoy, I also rode heavyweight eights in college. So yeah, I was, I was, I was very athletic. Yeah.

• 1:00:15Travis Kelce?

  Wow. I had no idea. So, so.

• 1:00:17Speaker 03

  But the difference is, I was never paid to be an athlete. Okay?

• 1:00:23Travis Kelce?

  You unfortunately chose the sports that really don't give you that option. I guess, I guess pro wrestling, you could have.

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  No, I wasn't gonna go there.

• 1:00:34Travis Kelce?

  Have you ever had the desire to actually go into space?

• 1:00:39Speaker 03

  People ask me that. That's very typical. But when they say space, they're thinking these rockets that are going up, that, you know, the Bezos Branson, billionaire boy, space race. And I'm going to demo this for you. We happen to be in my office where I have everything. So let me reach behind me and get Earth. Okay. So this is a schoolroom globe of Earth. All right. And let me just to put this in context, this is a scale size. I don't have, there might be people who are only listening to this podcast rather than also watching. But I have a schoolroom globe and I have a, a model of the moon that fits in the palm of my hand. Okay. These are to scale in size.

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:01:25Speaker 03

  But you can ask, well, how far away is the moon? Now, we've all seen pictures of the Earth and moon in textbooks and they both fit on the same page, leaving you to think that the moon is closer than it actually is. On the scale of a schoolroom globe, the moon is 30 feet away.

• 1:01:40Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:01:41Speaker 03

  It's three rooms over. Okay. That's why it takes three days to get there at seven miles per second. Okay. Now, you can ask, where is the International Space Station? It's about a half inch above Earth. Where is the billionaire boy's Bezos Branson rockets taking people?

• 1:02:00Travis Kelce?

  Not going there.

• 1:02:01Speaker 03

  The thickness of two dimes above Earth's surface.

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:02:07Speaker 03

  Where did crazy man, Red Bull, Felix Bumgardner, where was he? The guy who jumped out of a perfectly good balloon?

• 1:02:15Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  He was the thickness of one dime above Earth's surface. My point is, I'm an astrophysicist. When you ask me, do I want to go into space? It is not boldly going where hundreds have gone before. Send me somewhere, the moon, Mars and beyond. My answer to that question would be yes.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 1:02:36Travis Kelce?

  You're trying to go see a new galaxy or see our galaxy.

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  Give me a new place, give me a place to go. Yeah. Then I'll talk, give me a good Netflix account.

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  Some good music streaming, some fun books and I'm, I'm all in. There was a guy who had a, who had a now defunct initiative called Mars One, where people would travel to Mars one way on a spaceship. And they would send supplies in advance and you pitch tent and you just live there. Like the pilgrims came across the oceans. And I interviewed one of the guys who signed up for this and had all these sponsors. There's a Dutch guy who started it, had all these sponsors, like it looked pretty real for a while there. And one of the guys who signed up was kind of geeky, maybe in his low 30s. And I had him as a guest on my podcast and I said, well, why do you want to go? He said, I need a sense of adventure. And I had the money and, and I said, what is your,

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  I said, are you married? He said, yes. What does your wife say about this? And he said, oh, she was very encouraging.

• 1:03:38Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:03:41Speaker 03

  Dude, I don't want to be the one to break it to you.

• 1:03:46Speaker 03

  Your wife is encouraging you to go one way to Mars.

• 1:03:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, you should totally go.

• 1:03:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, so, yeah, space, I love space. I want to make sure there's money to bring me back too. That's, you got to check, double check. Given budgets, you never know.

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  You mentioned like the Branson and like all these, the private sector that the space.

• 1:04:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's the way to say it. Yeah.

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  Where do you fall in line with what they're trying to do for space exploration versus obviously conventionally NASA and the more government run?

• 1:04:21Speaker 03

  Perfectly intelligent question. I.

• 1:04:27Travis Kelce?

  He doesn't have many of them.

• 1:04:28Speaker 03

  No, no, I didn't mean it that way.

• 1:04:34Speaker 03

  Travis, an intelligent question finally made it up.

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  So do you ever think about going to space?

• 1:04:48Speaker 03

  So I try not to go too public on this, only because these are people with ambitions and dreams. And I don't want to, you know, I don't want to, because big dreams often spawn smaller dreams that were unimaginable that are still of great benefit. Okay. So I don't, so I try not to stand in the way of anybody. What I will tell you is, there's only one reason we went to the moon. It's not because we're Americans and it's in our DNA and Kennedy had stirring words. We choose to go to the moon, not because it's easy, but because it's, it's not because of any of that. It's because the Russians beat us at practically every space metric there was.

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  They had the first satellite. They had the first mammal, the like of the dog. Remember that? They had the first human, the first woman, the first dark skinned person. Remember Cuba was on their side. They had the first space station. Kennedy said, oh my gosh, we're so far behind. We have to leapfrog this. Let's go to the moon. They haven't done that yet. Okay. So all of our resources get directed to that. At its peak, NASA was getting 6%, not more, but still a huge number, 6% of the total budget of the country.

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  That's huge.

• 1:06:05Speaker 03

  Was, was, was devoted to going to the moon.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:06:08Speaker 03

  We got to the moon. We looked around and said, wait, where's Russia? Oh, they're not coming?

• 1:06:17Speaker 03

  That was the end of the Apollo program.

• 1:06:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:20Speaker 03

  Okay. We could have stayed in 1972. We didn't. Did we go back in 1980? No. 1990, 2000, 2010? No. Oh, we're going to go back in the 20 teens and ask people, why are we going back to the moon? Because we have the Artemis program, right? Why are we going back? Oh, it's the right thing to do. It feels right. We're Americans. Another delusional state descends upon us. You know what happened in the 20 teens? China says they want to put taeknasts on the moon. That was a flame under our butt right there. And, and, and moon, that's our place. That's where our flags are. So Trump, because that's his, his 2016 to 2020, Trump said, we're going to go to the moon.

• 1:07:01Speaker 03

  Biden comes in, he doesn't undo that because space transcends partisan politics. NASA has 10 NASA centers in eight states. And those eight states variously vote in the last 10 elections, general elections, four red, four blue, five red, three blue, five blue, three red.

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:23Speaker 03

  If someone wants to go into space, that's insufficient for you to know how they vote. And so, so it transcends, so it continued from, from Trump to Obama. I mean, from Trump to Biden and then back. And so we're going back to the moon, park the curtains, China is in there. And that, we, we don't want to lose this second race to China. And so you're talking about a private enterprise. I'm going to tell you this, it's really expensive to go in space. It's even more expensive to do something in space that no one has done before. Governments do that because we are geopolitically driven to do it.

• 1:08:04Speaker 03

  We didn't go to moon to make money on it as a private enterprise might want to. We went to the moon to beat the Russians and there's always money to beat your enemy. Okay? So, private enterprise, when SpaceX brought cargo to the space station, batter headlines, is this the new frontier, private enterprise? They took cargo to the space station. NASA's been doing that for 20 years. All right. Yeah. They can do it more efficiently and do it more with a higher reliability. Yes, that's where the private enterprise comes. But to do something in space first?

• 1:08:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's interesting.

• 1:08:38Speaker 03

  ROI on that.

• 1:08:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a great point.

• 1:08:42Speaker 03

  Okay. Now, now, now our boy, Mr. Trillionaire, he could do it as a vanity project. But he's not going to do it on SpaceX's dime if SpaceX is publicly traded. Because the investors will say, you're doing what? Well, I want to be the first people on Mars. At what cost? About a trillion dollars. Will someone die? Probably. What's the return on that investment? Uh, nothing. That's a short meeting.

• 1:09:12Speaker 03

  But if you join together with Bezos, they could send someone to Mars. But it's not a business case. You can't make a business case on that.

• 1:09:18Travis Kelce?

  I have, I'm so curious on your take on the comet Atlas.

• 1:09:23Speaker 03

  Okay, you're talking about 3I Atlas.

• 1:09:25Travis Kelce?

  That one, the one that was, that just absolutely shocked the world on what it looked like, how it was flying.

• 1:09:32Speaker 03

  Okay, so it's good. We're going back.

• 1:09:34Travis Kelce?

  What on earth do you, what do you, do you fully believe it's a comet?

• 1:09:38Speaker 03

  I got you, I got you, I got you, I got you here. So.

• 1:09:42Speaker 03

  My whole lifetime, one of the holy grails of solar system astronomy was we've got our comets and we've got our asteroids that are bound to the sun, orbiting the sun, but we're floating in space orbiting a galaxy that has a hundred billion other stars. Surely there are some wayward comets or wayward asteroids homeless through space that we would encounter in our trip around the galaxy. Just to be clear, we are Earth moving around the sun. The sun and all the planets are moving around the center of the galaxy as a unit. And in doing so, you'd expect to encounter some interstellar.

• 1:10:25Travis Kelce?

  Something.

• 1:10:26Speaker 03

  Some things. Okay, so we've been looking for decades. Our telescopes have gotten better and better and better. And only in the last few years have we found interstellar objects that we can confirm. 3I Atlas, the 3I is the third interstellar object discovered, 3I. That's what that stands for. What made that object intriguing was it entered the solar system. It did a hook around the sun because it's feeling the sun's gravity. There's not much strong gravity out there in space. It's going to see the sun. The sun is going to have an influence on it, but the sun is not going to capture it. Oh, no, it's, it's, it's an interloper. So it comes by and you track its orbit, its trajectory.

• 1:11:10Speaker 03

  And you say, wait a minute, it is not following Newton's laws of gravity in its trajectory around the sun. Something is changing its path. Well, that's exciting. What is it? Okay, I, I happen to have a colleague who was a big fan of that changed trajectory being the willful act of aliens. Well, the press couldn't get enough of that. Okay. A respected astrophysicist is saying, maybe it's aliens that, now, it turns out, just between you and me.

• 1:11:49Speaker 03

  If there's anything we don't understand in the world.

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  Aliens.

• 1:12:01Speaker 03

  It's aliens, okay?

• 1:12:02Speaker 02

  It used to be God, then it turned into aliens.

• 1:12:04Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 1:12:10Travis Kelce?

  But in terms of the first, like you said, this is the third one, 3I.

• 1:12:13Speaker 03

  Well, let me, let me finish this out. So it turns out asteroids are just rocks. They have no way to internally change their trajectory, but comets, they're made of ice principally. Ice, as it comes near a heat source, can evaporate. Okay, and if you evaporate, you can outgas and create a little push.

• 1:12:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:37Speaker 03

  A little bit of thing that changes your trajectory beyond what pure gravity would do for it. And so if we change that trajectory, it won't behave in a, now, had the thing stopped, backed up, looked around and it went out. It's like, yeah, oh, hey, give me some aliens for that.

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 1:12:58Speaker 03

  But it was a very smooth exit out that was slightly off trajectory. So essentially, everyone who studied this, other than this one colleague of mine, who, who was alien adjacent in his interpretations, we were perfectly content. And by the way, it's, so as a comet, as a comet, by the way, it's only the third of these objects discovered. You'd expect everything about it to be new. And it was fascinating the way it looked. We don't know, it's new. Let us, let us be befuddled. But you're not letting us be befuddled because you're, not you, the, the press's headlines were scientists are stumped. Well, we design experiments every day of our lives to be stumped.

• 1:13:42Speaker 03

  That's what discovery is about. That's why we build new telescopes, to be stumped. So don't get, don't get weirded out when a new thing gets discovered and we don't quite fully understand what's happening with it. That's what science is.

• 1:13:56Travis Kelce?

  So the first two, I mean, I, I know we talked about the, the, it being the third. In terms of the view of it, in terms of the view of it, this was, that was what was more thrown off by me is that it had an odd shape. And on top of that, it had like the, I don't know whether it felt like it was like from Star Wars or what, but it felt like it had lights all over it.

• 1:14:19Speaker 03

  You're looking at the artist renderings of it. You've seen too many sci-fi movies. It had a peculiar shape. All I'm saying is it's a new class of object.

• 1:14:30Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:30Speaker 03

  So we don't have enough of them to even know if it's peculiar. Maybe they all look like that. So we, we just take good data on it. And if memory serves, because my field of specialty is not the inner solar system. But if memory serves, the first two were, were, were asteroidal, right, rocky. And this one was the first of the comets. And we have a few more since then. And we might be up to six or seven now. And so there'll be more and we'll have a catalog of them. And so there we have it. And almost every bit of excitement that you were generating from this was the press reporting on the alien adjacency that existed in some members of the research community, but, but definitely not in the majority.

• 1:15:14Speaker 02

  You brought up aliens before we, we're running out of time, so we need to make sure we at least.

• 1:15:18Speaker 03

  We have the whole universe. Does Travis have to go back to practice? What is he?

• 1:15:24Speaker 03

  And we, we haven't even talked about the tush push.

• 1:15:26Travis Kelce?

  Work on these glutes.

• 1:15:27Speaker 03

  We're gonna work on these glutes. We haven't talked about the tush push.

• 1:15:30Speaker 02

  Well, let's, let's focus on the.

• 1:15:31Speaker 03

  I have a whole thing, I have a whole post on the tush push because everyone was explaining it wrong. They were getting the physics wrong. And then I had NFL Films come to my office. And you know what they did? They, they, they gave me this.

• 1:15:49Travis Kelce?

  I love it.

• 1:15:50Speaker 02

  That was a great piece, by the way. That was an awesome piece.

• 1:15:52Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:15:53Speaker 02

  Aliens, real quick, what are your thoughts on have aliens been to Earth? Ranging from have aliens been here? Are there aliens? We grew up with a father that, no joke, like, we would go up into his office and you could hear the SETI radio frequency where they're listening for extraterrestrial activity in space.

• 1:16:13Speaker 03

  He's a fan of aliens.

• 1:16:15Speaker 02

  We have a mom that watches every show of Ancient Aliens. And we tell her, we tell her to steer clear, but she just can't do it.

• 1:16:25Speaker 03

  It's a little infectious. It's a little, and plus he got the, he's a very affable guy, the guy with the hair that sticks up.

• 1:16:31Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:16:31Speaker 03

  You gotta love him, you know? So.

• 1:16:34Speaker 02

  So ranging from, ranging from the pyramids are like sources for extraterrestrial life.

• 1:16:42Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:16:45Speaker 03

  It's somewhere in the universe. How much is Beagle? I gotta get the Saturn.

• 1:16:51Speaker 03

  So, once again, there's the, I don't quite understand it, it must be aliens. So, so in my alien book, by the way, I have a whole other book that's great for the holiday season called Lost in Space. That's published with National Geographic. It's like, and they don't know how to do ugly. It's a beautifully illustrated book. That's 5,000 facts for navigating the universe. But let me finish with the alien. So in the book, I ask other questions that other people aren't asking. And similar to the flat earth, have you wondered why San Francisco's game is in sunlight and the Giants at home or not? Have you thought about that? Okay, other questions. You look at ancient drawings and there's like a bubble head, beams coming out of fingertips and they're levitating.

• 1:17:34Speaker 03

  And it's quite fanciful.

• 1:17:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:38Speaker 03

  Here's some questions I would ask. Maybe that was the kindergarten class.

• 1:17:46Speaker 03

  Just consider that. I'm just putting it out there. Or maybe that was their fantasies. We have fantasies today. Go to any sci fi, look at the creatures we create in our current imaginations in our sci fi storytelling. Why are you denying ancient peoples creativity?

• 1:18:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:09Speaker 03

  This is stuff they're thinking of. Maybe they're imagining their gods. Okay? We, our gods, we have Thor with a hammer that he throws up in the sky. We have Jesus who walks on water with halos and we imagine all kinds of things for our gods and our other characters, especially in the world of science fiction. I'm, I'm fine saying maybe this is that they're being imaginative. Don't take that from them. Don't do that. A couple of other things. In Peru, there are these drawings on the, it's called the plains, the Nazca plains. One of them has these huge lines that crisscross. And there's a guy named Eric Van Daniken, who wrote, booked Chariots of the Gods,

• 1:18:50Speaker 03

  who, who everything, he would go places, wouldn't understand and say, must be aliens. He imagined that these were runway for aliens would direct it because you can't see these patterns on the plains of Peru. They're too big. You have to see it from above. And so they must have been directed from above. Here's the problem. Aliens, if you can travel through the vacuum of space.

• 1:19:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:13Speaker 03

  You don't need runways.

• 1:19:17Speaker 03

  Stink this through. Okay? So, so my Take Me To Your Leader book is a full exploration of other questions people aren't asking about this, but they're not from the side of the gullibility lane. It's from the skeptical lane, but I'm still with you on this. I want, I want to meet the alien as much as you do. That's the title of the book, Take Me To Your Leader. And, and imagine the aliens land on the 405 in Los, in Los Angeles. Okay? The freeway. Nobody walks anywhere in Los Angeles. So they're just cars. What's the first thought the aliens gonna have? That the dominant life form is an automobile? What else are they gonna think?

• 1:19:57Speaker 03

  And they'll see these automobiles lining up, going to a slow line to get fast food handed through a window into the vehicle, and they don't get out of the vehicle to eat. Okay? And these, so these are life forms with squishy things on the inside. And then a car hauler drives by. That one is clearly pregnant. Okay? So, so the book, it's, is, is an attempt to get you just rethink the whole thing. And, and, and, and here's one, if, if an alien kind of walks towards you and has these appendages, don't reach out and grab an appendage and shake it. You don't know what part of the anatomy that is of the alien, and I don't think you want to find out.

• 1:20:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:47Speaker 02

  You mentioned the tush push. When we ran the tush push, did we actually affect the earth's rotational?

• 1:20:54Speaker 03

  You did see in the bin. Oh my gosh.

• 1:20:56Speaker 02

  I saw this bin. Are you kidding me? I loved it.

• 1:20:58Speaker 03

  Oh my gosh. Okay.

• 1:21:00Travis Kelce?

  Now, you know, he is the tush push. He's the, he's the culprit.

• 1:21:03Speaker 03

  He's the one pushing the tush.

• 1:21:09Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no. You are the foundation of the tush push that's happening on your back.

• 1:21:14Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 1:21:15Speaker 03

  Okay, so I have two posts. One is on NFL Films. They came here and they, they did a bit on it. And then we have a subset of that that we published as part of my podcast. It's because my co-host Chuck Nice is an Eagles fan. He's born and raised in, in Philly. And so he couldn't get enough of this. So, so here's the thing. You have nothing if you're not connected to the earth. Nothing.

• 1:21:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:42Speaker 03

  So watch what happens. The, the, the, the, the urge of the defense is when they see the quarterback jump up with the ball. The quarterback is now airborne. Okay? That is not connected to earth. They will jump up and try, because there's a big mound of men beneath them. They'll jump up to try to counter that.

• 1:22:03Speaker 02

  I love when they do that.

• 1:22:04Speaker 03

  The most they can counter, that is their own body weight.

• 1:22:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:22:11Speaker 03

  Okay? So if they can jump at all, make him 250, 270 pounds, whatever is in that range. That's the highest force they can initiate against the quarterback because they're both airborne. However, your airborne quarterback is connected to two people behind him, one on each tush.

• 1:22:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:22:34Speaker 03

  They are, they are connected to earth. So they can now push not only with the weight of the quarterback, but they can push with their, with their deadlift weight against earth. And you all are football players. You can deadlift more than your own body weight.

• 1:22:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:22:55Speaker 03

  Much more than your own body weight. So two people pressing against the earth are now pushing with 500 pounds each? The airborne person at the side doesn't stand a chance. Everybody in that mass of men who is not touching earth is useless in what's happening. So as long as the two pushers, there could be one pusher or two pushers, it'll be more than anything they're putting against them. You're gonna push the quarterback over. And once the person commits to where the quarterback is, the pushers can slide the quarterback 18 inches to the right.

• 1:23:31Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:23:32Speaker 03

  And the person who jumped against them's got, they can't move their body 18 inches to the left. They can't do that because they don't have anything to push against. In wrestling, and I did this with the, the host from NFL Films. I said, I used to wrestle. Watch this. And I did a, I did a body throw with him. The moment he left the ground, I can do whatever I want with him.

• 1:23:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:23:55Speaker 03

  He's got nothing. He can't push against anything. He's just this ballistic thing that I can put wherever I want. So what makes the tush push unstoppable is the quarterback who is functionally airborne is still connected to the earth. And the pushing against the earth, the earth has to respond. You have this mass of 300 pound men digging in, oh, by the, the bottom layer. By the way, yes, the quarterback is not only going where the, he's getting pushed, this mat of men, because you get to, you know, you know, when you're hiking it, you get underneath their defensive line and you're digging against the turf. And, and so that whole system is in motion.

• 1:24:40Speaker 03

  So not only is the quarterback moving relative to the mound of men, the mound is moving. That's why you'd be two yards away from first down. You execute the first, the tush push, the quarterback is five yards in on the other side. How did that happen? Because the mound was in motion in addition to the two yards that you were trying to get by pushing him over. So, and we showed the video in slow motion and everybody who's not connected to the ground is just falling off.

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:25:08Speaker 03

  And, and so, yeah, it's basically when properly executed, it's, it's brilliantly conceived. And congratulations on, on that 92%.

• 1:25:23Travis Kelce?

  What's the science on stopping it?

• 1:25:25Speaker 03

  Uh, so you need to get at least as low as the person plowing under you. Because once they plow under you, you just get lifted up and you're no longer connected to earth.

• 1:25:37Travis Kelce?

  But do we need to as well, as well?

• 1:25:40Speaker 03

  So it's like two sumo wrestlers.

• 1:25:44Speaker 03

  One, if one tries to get low, the other gets as low, right? They get low. And it just comes right at each other. They're both touching the mat. So the, the defensive line has to get as low as the offensive line. And you give the camera in there. It's like, you know, their, their helmet is on the, the helmet is on the, on the, this turf, come to eat on the turf. Okay? I saw that.

• 1:26:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:26:07Speaker 03

  They gotta get as low so that that offensive line does not move at all. Y'all weigh the same. Y'all can do the same deadlifts. So you can prevent that line from moving. And that prevents the mat of men from getting those extra five yards. That'll stop that. Then whoever you're sending up to block the quarterback, he needs a tush push.

• 1:26:31Travis Kelce?

  He needs, they need the tush push.

• 1:26:33Speaker 03

  And if the quarterback slides over, you slide him over.

• 1:26:39Speaker 03

  He's your puppet, your airborne puppet, because he's useless otherwise, unless he has a tap, tap roots back into the ground. And if you push against earth as much as you guys did, yes, it affects the rotation of the earth as it must.

• 1:26:51Speaker 02

  That's amazing. So good. Neil, unfortunately, we don't have time. We, that's all we have time for. And there's so many more questions I have for you. Like, I don't know if there's any way that we can do, like, I, I still don't understand dark matter or dark energy. I'm so lost in that chapter. I don't know where to begin.

• 1:27:10Speaker 03

  Um, but neither does anybody else. So, okay. And, and, and here's something to take to heart. The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you.

• 1:27:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:27:23Speaker 03

  There's some crazy stuff happening out there.

• 1:27:25Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:27:26Speaker 03

  But if I could just, so this is my alien book, does it spend 10 seconds plugging the other book?

• 1:27:29Speaker 02

  Please, please.

• 1:27:30Speaker 03

  Yes. It's, it's 5,000 facts to navigate the universe, all organized in a Star Talkian way. Because in my podcast, you can hear a number and you can Google a number, but on my podcast, the number comes alive. So, you know, uh, what, so how wide is the, how big is the sun? You might ask me. You can Google that and they'll tell you. 864,000 miles across. Or if the sun were hollow, you could pour 1 million earths into its volume and still have room left over. So that's a fact you're never gonna forget. Okay? And, and so this book is filled with that and it's gorgeous and it's heavily illustrated. And you just pick it. It's like a coffee table book, except you're gonna steal it from.

• 1:28:16Speaker 03

  Dudes, this has been a delight. I mean, I'd love talking to athletes. You guys.

• 1:28:20Speaker 02

  And that factoid right there is why I've always just been such, you, you make it so digestible for people that are trying to learn and interested in this stuff, but they don't have the background that the scientists do.

• 1:28:31Speaker 03

  Well, yeah. I mean, because I, I live in that intersection and I'd love delivering that.

• 1:28:35Speaker 02

  This has been incredible.

• 1:28:37Travis Kelce?

  Thank you for the time. Thank you for the insight and appreciate you making it fun, man.

• 1:28:41Speaker 03

  All right. Keep looking up.

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  All right, that's it for Neil deGrasse Tyson. Did not disappoint at all. I have a thousand more questions for him.

• 1:28:52Travis Kelce?

  That's the thing. Hopefully the 92%ers loved it. We were just being, you know, fans of his and wanting to get some, some questions answered by somebody who actually knows a lot about.

• 1:29:03Speaker 02

  That was probably the dumbest interview he's ever done in his life.

• 1:29:06Travis Kelce?

  1,000%.

• 1:29:07Speaker 02

  So how is the Kelsey Brothers podcast? Oh, they asked me about flat earth, moon landing conspiracies and aliens. I mean, god damn it.

• 1:29:16Travis Kelce?

  What did you want? What did you want me to ask him?

• 1:29:18Speaker 02

  I don't know. That's what the people want to hear, I guess. All right. Well, thank you for coming on, Neil. And let's get to our last segment here. New Heights Top 10. Travis, you want to set it up?

• 1:29:27Travis Kelce?

  New Heights Top 10. This week, Top 10 is brought to you by American Express. Brandon, come on down.

• 1:29:37Speaker 05

  I'm here. I'm here. I thought that was a good interview. I thought you guys did great.

• 1:29:42Travis Kelce?

  Really? Thanks, Brandon.

• 1:29:43Speaker 05

  I thought you guys did great.

• 1:29:45Travis Kelce?

  You don't think he, he thought I was stupid when I asked him if he ever wanted to go to space?

• 1:29:50Speaker 05

  No, no, it was great. It was great. It was good. I don't know what he expected coming on here.

• 1:29:54Travis Kelce?

  I immediately asked him. I was just like, that was probably the stupidest question he's ever been asked.

• 1:29:59Speaker 05

  What do you think of like the moon?

• 1:30:00Travis Kelce?

  He wants to go to space.

• 1:30:02Speaker 05

  What do you think of the moon?

• 1:30:03Travis Kelce?

  This man thinks about space every day of his life.

• 1:30:10Travis Kelce?

  Of course he's.

• 1:30:11Speaker 05

  We didn't, yeah, we have a lot of questions still on the table.

• 1:30:14Speaker 02

  The questions were so dumb. I asked him one question of like somewhat serious. He was like, oh yes, that's a perfectly intelligent question.

• 1:30:22Travis Kelce?

  It was like, oh, you got, you know what that is?

• 1:30:25Speaker 02

  This isn't just a fuck around? Okay. Uh, so.

• 1:30:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, I have a lot more questions left. We didn't get to a lot of my.

• 1:30:35Travis Kelce?

  And even that question was just like. It wasn't about anything.

• 1:30:40Speaker 02

  It wasn't even great. It was just like a fucking.

• 1:30:43Speaker 05

  It just sounded like they were written by somebody who skipped a lot of science classes.

• 1:30:50Speaker 05

  Seems like we got a theater arts major behind the scenes here who's got a lot of learning to do.

• 1:30:55Travis Kelce?

  Would you want me to ask him about nuclear fusion? Would you want me to?

• 1:30:58Speaker 02

  Kevin Green used to shout, power equals mass times acceleration.

• 1:31:03Speaker 05

  What? Why do you have a drill?

• 1:31:05Speaker 02

  Uh, because I'm bored and I'm trying.

• 1:31:07Travis Kelce?

  You got that.

• 1:31:08Speaker 05

  Well, don't let, don't let us get in your way.

• 1:31:12Travis Kelce?

  Because I'm bored. This is being a man. He sees it. He sees a drill and has to pick it up.

• 1:31:18Speaker 05

  Give it a look. Give it a look. Give it a little. Give it a little. I gotta hear it.

• 1:31:21Travis Kelce?

  This, this is the most dad thing I've ever seen you do. Jason, you're literally.

• 1:31:29Travis Kelce?

  Oh my gosh. You're literally working right now and you saw a drill. It was like, I need it in my hands. Drill something. Yeah.

• 1:31:38Speaker 05

  Hold it higher. Hold it higher.

• 1:31:40Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:42Speaker 02

  Shit, I just lost my bit.

• 1:31:45Travis Kelce?

  Oh no.

• 1:31:47Speaker 02

  All right, let's go.

• 1:31:48Speaker 05

  All right, we're supposed to, we're gonna do this top 10 thing really quick, as we said earlier. We're gonna start in the world of baseball. Brewers, World Series champions. We're gonna go to some fan reactions. This is from at Joey fucking Miller on Instagram.

• 1:32:01Speaker 02

  At Joey fucking Miller. They allow you to make that kind of handle?

• 1:32:21Speaker 02

  Look at how many holes are in the fucking ceiling.

• 1:32:23Travis Kelce?

  Regular season wildcard. That's hilarious.

• 1:32:32Speaker 05

  Joey fucking Miller, where are we putting him? Is that even a play? I don't know what to do with this one.

• 1:32:36Speaker 02

  I just hope he doesn't hit a stud. Otherwise he's breaking his own fucking head.

• 1:32:40Travis Kelce?

  I was gonna say, bold move.

• 1:32:43Speaker 02

  I'm in love with that. I'm also in love with the fact that the Brewers won. I know Travis, soft subject with the Guardians. Uh, I just, I'm a big fan of the fact that the team that spent the most money didn't win the World Series this year. So I'm gonna go high. I'm gonna go high.

• 1:32:58Speaker 05

  Personal shot at my.

• 1:32:59Travis Kelce?

  Didn't even make it in the World Series.

• 1:33:02Speaker 02

  Listen, I'm a, I'm a fan. I, I love, I love Freddie. I love a lot of the Dodgers players. I just, we know where I stand on this and I'm not taking it back. Brewers, I'm gonna put this one fan. I loved it. Willing to, uh.

• 1:33:17Speaker 05

  Joey fucking Miller.

• 1:33:19Speaker 02

  Have to hire out contractor work to replace drywall. I will go.

• 1:33:23Travis Kelce?

  You gotta keep that. What?

• 1:33:24Speaker 05

  We should put, we should sell drywall on Kelsey clubhouse. We should sell punching walls on Kelsey clubhouse.

• 1:33:31Speaker 02

  I have never done that in my life.

• 1:33:33Speaker 05

  None of us have. Nobody in this call's done this.

• 1:33:38Speaker 02

  All right. Uh, what do you think? Three? I think that's, I should be up there. That's a good, that's a good fucking bit. All right. I can go three.

• 1:33:44Speaker 05

  Three.

• 1:33:45Speaker 02

  First one he comes by.

• 1:33:46Speaker 05

  Congrats, Joey fucking Miller. This one, um, this one got sent to us by at pop takes on Twitter. It is a play that I think Jason, you know, is coming. This is from the Cardinals game.

• 1:33:57Speaker 02

  Ah, it's definitely the best play from a center I think I've ever seen.

• 1:34:04Speaker 02

  Watch, watch Frothold.

• 1:34:07Travis Kelce?

  Oh, I saw this. This is, oh.

• 1:34:13Speaker 02

  My twofer.

• 1:34:14Speaker 05

  A dribbling, a dribbling down the field.

• 1:34:17Travis Kelce?

  That's a welcome to the NFL moment for the, the old Ohio State Buckeye first rounder right there.

• 1:34:22Speaker 02

  I mean, it's just an incredible high. And I know there's a lot of people online to discrepancy. People like, oh, he hit him. He hit him in the back. That's a textbook block in the back. Listen, it ain't like Caleb didn't see him coming. Like he was kind of like giving him his back. Like I'm not, whatever. I don't care. I don't care if it is a block in the back. That dude ran 30 yards down the field, threw him on the ground and then hit him again on the ground. I'm all in on that as a fucking top play. I don't, it didn't get called. Fuck yeah. I love it.

• 1:34:50Speaker 05

  Didn't get called. It's not penalty.

• 1:34:52Speaker 02

  Two.

• 1:34:53Speaker 05

  Two.

• 1:34:54Speaker 02

  The highest I'm ever gonna put offensive lineman.

• 1:34:56Travis Kelce?

  Listen, we've done, we've done this too many times and got, and had to settle for a number one. That wasn't so higher picks. I'm with you. I'm with you.

• 1:35:03Speaker 02

  When's the last time you saw an offensive lineman have a highlight like that?

• 1:35:07Travis Kelce?

  When Jason Kelce played for the Philadelphia Eagles.

• 1:35:09Speaker 02

  Never had a highlight like that. That was an insane highlight.

• 1:35:11Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, you did. They just called the block in the back.

• 1:35:13Speaker 02

  They did against Ryan Clark. It was very similar.

• 1:35:19Speaker 02

  And I didn't think that was, listen, a block in the back, the spirit, the spirit of the block in the back penalty is that the guy doesn't see you coming. So you're hitting him when he's not aware that you're there. Caleb saw the fucking guy running for 30 yards at him. You can't just turn your back and like, oh, he hit me in the back. Good no call. Good no call.

• 1:35:39Speaker 05

  All right. Two, two. All right. This one got sent to me from Don Bartlett, Don Bartlett Hall on Twitter. This is from the NBA. This is the NBA. We're, we're switching sports up here.

• 1:35:49Speaker 02

  Switching sports. Who interests?

• 1:35:51Speaker 05

  We're going, we're going over the map. Listen, people are sending me plays now. I think we're getting, this, this segment has legs.

• 1:35:56Travis Kelce?

  Give me some shit.

• 1:35:56Speaker 05

  Love shit. I'm always online.

• 1:35:58Travis Kelce?

  Tag Brandon.

• 1:35:59Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 1:36:00Travis Kelce?

  And that's the hashtag, tag Brandon.

• 1:36:02Speaker 05

  I don't love that. Uh, Victor Wimminyama off the glass to himself.

• 1:36:17Speaker 02

  Is that not a travel?

• 1:36:18Travis Kelce?

  No, he's just eight feet. So it looks like he's traveling.

• 1:36:23Speaker 02

  No, but if you throw it off, I thought it, I guess it's only the free throw that it has to touch the rim. I didn't, this feels like it should almost be illegal to like throw it off the glass and run and fucking get back up and get it.

• 1:36:34Speaker 05

  Kobe did it.

• 1:36:34Travis Kelce?

  No, it's a rebound. Yeah. A lot of people have done it.

• 1:36:36Speaker 02

  Fair enough. Fair enough. I love that he's like, the rim is in his hands and his foot is already on the fucking ground. It's just fucking insane.

• 1:36:48Speaker 02

  It's incredible. Well done. Hey, you should just keep doing that. I don't know how you defend it. Uh, four.

• 1:36:54Travis Kelce?

  Four it is.

• 1:36:55Speaker 05

  Four, four. All right. You're on the board, Wimby. We're gonna go to back to college football. A lot of people tagged us this one. Uh, I'm gonna give the credit to Si Nikki on Twitter. Hit us with this one, but a lot of people blew us up. It's a tight end freshman, true freshman, Mark Bowman.

• 1:37:12Travis Kelce?

  Oh, I've seen this one.

• 1:37:13Speaker 05

  You know what's coming.

• 1:37:14Travis Kelce?

  I mean, this is fucking electric. Unfortunately, it is against Ohio State Buckeyes. Catch, nasty catch, hurdle.

• 1:37:20Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:37:21Travis Kelce?

  Keeps it going though. Keeps trucking.

• 1:37:23Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:37:26Speaker 02

  Does he score?

• 1:37:27Speaker 05

  No, dude, it's the one thing that holds it back. It's the one problem.

• 1:37:31Travis Kelce?

  Put the ball in your left hand, big dog. Stiffy the last dude. Dude, it was still epic though.

• 1:37:38Speaker 02

  That is incredible. I think that's one for me.

• 1:37:41Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that's one. I don't.

• 1:37:43Speaker 02

  It definitely is one if he scores. I think it's still one. Hurdle, truck stick, break a tackle.

• 1:37:51Travis Kelce?

  Look at the boys out there fighting for him too, man. Oh.

• 1:37:54Speaker 02

  Gosh, that was an incredible play. Well done. I'm going one. Fuck it. We're, we're locked in.

• 1:37:59Travis Kelce?

  We're going one. We're going one. We're going one.

• 1:38:02Speaker 05

  All right, we're gonna go one.

• 1:38:03Speaker 02

  We got nothing but five through 10 left.

• 1:38:04Travis Kelce?

  I love a tight end. I love a tight end highlight.

• 1:38:06Speaker 02

  This reminds me of Brian Leonard. Did you ever remember Brian Leonard at Rutgers? They used to call it the Leonard League.

• 1:38:12Travis Kelce?

  He won 100% used to fucking jump over everyone.

• 1:38:15Speaker 02

  All he used to do. He was fucking incredible at it. Pull up Brian Leonard highlights real quick.

• 1:38:21Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:38:22Speaker 02

  He said no.

• 1:38:23Speaker 05

  No. Uh, we're gonna go back to the NFL. We have Mr. Justin Jefferson, one handed snag in the end zone.

• 1:38:31Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:38:31Speaker 05

  I feel like he does this every week.

• 1:38:33Travis Kelce?

  This was nasty.

• 1:38:35Speaker 02

  It's impressive. It's just, this is what's crazy about the NFL. Like the standard now of the one hand catches to like stick it. You know what I mean? Like it's still a great catch, outstanding concentration.

• 1:38:46Travis Kelce?

  Top 10 worthy for sure.

• 1:38:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. But like now these dudes, like, uh, for Washington, um, Chig, uh, Chicago. Yeah, that one was actually a fucking better one. Cause he freaking like.

• 1:38:59Speaker 05

  Dude, Aaron is losing his fucking mind. That's on, that was on our list. We didn't, yeah, damn it. Aaron's gonna yell at me about that. It's my list, Aaron. Sorry, buddy.

• 1:39:08Travis Kelce?

  You said it's my list.

• 1:39:10Speaker 05

  Wasn't for a touchdown. Oh, a first down. Great. Who cares?

• 1:39:14Speaker 02

  I'll, what do you think? Seven?

• 1:39:16Travis Kelce?

  Seven, eight.

• 1:39:17Speaker 02

  Seven, eight. Yeah, seven. We'll go seven, seven.

• 1:39:19Speaker 05

  All right, we're gonna keep, we're gonna go back to college here. Now this one's very important. Please think carefully where you're gonna rank this one. This is from the Urocy of Texas. Big man.

• 1:39:32Speaker 02

  Vito.

• 1:39:32Speaker 05

  Don't you fucking dare, don't you fucking dare. 300 pounds of big man running downhill. Check it out.

• 1:39:38Travis Kelce?

  I like to watch fat boys running.

• 1:39:43Speaker 05

  Look at my boy. Look at him.

• 1:39:46Travis Kelce?

  He's checking.

• 1:39:48Speaker 05

  He's chugging.

• 1:39:52Speaker 02

  Like a tractor trailer. Great call. Really good call by the play by play.

• 1:39:56Speaker 05

  Look at that scoop. You can't teach that.

• 1:40:01Speaker 05

  Come on. Come on. Look at my man. Look at my man.

• 1:40:04Travis Kelce?

  I'll go 10 just because it's fun to see fat boys run.

• 1:40:07Speaker 05

  Look at him. Look at that belly.

• 1:40:10Speaker 02

  Look at how big his knees are.

• 1:40:12Travis Kelce?

  We gotta cover them knees, big boy.

• 1:40:14Speaker 05

  All right, where are we putting my man?

• 1:40:16Speaker 02

  10.

• 1:40:17Speaker 05

  Oh, fuck off, Jason. God damn it.

• 1:40:19Speaker 02

  It's either 10 or veto. Travis is the one who said it.

• 1:40:22Travis Kelce?

  I said 10.

• 1:40:23Speaker 02

  Listen, he's not doing anything other than scooping.

• 1:40:26Speaker 05

  He's 300 pounds. He hit like 17 miles an hour.

• 1:40:28Travis Kelce?

  We did it veto at Brandon.

• 1:40:29Speaker 02

  He's a college football player. He should be able to run. Like, what are we talking about?

• 1:40:35Speaker 05

  I fought for you, Texas. Remember that. Next time you're giving away fan tickets. Um, okay. They've never hit me up before. I guess I'm no Glenn fucking pal. All right, we're gonna go to high school football. High school football. I gotta give you some context. This team is down 30-25. This is Whitesboro High School. Uh, 3.6 seconds left. This is to advance to the sectionals.

• 1:41:01Travis Kelce?

  Oh, I saw this. This is actually nasty.

• 1:41:05Travis Kelce?

  You're dead.

• 1:41:06Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:41:07Travis Kelce?

  But you're alive.

• 1:41:09Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:41:12Speaker 02

  Are you fucking kidding me?

• 1:41:14Speaker 05

  Whitesboro.

• 1:41:15Travis Kelce?

  That's number one word. That's number one word. See, this is a thing.

• 1:41:19Speaker 02

  That should be one.

• 1:41:20Travis Kelce?

  100%. But.

• 1:41:21Speaker 02

  And it's gonna be five. Fuck.

• 1:41:23Speaker 05

  Sorry, Whitesboro.

• 1:41:25Travis Kelce?

  That was epic.

• 1:41:26Speaker 02

  God damn, that's insane.

• 1:41:28Travis Kelce?

  Heads up play. A lot of guys at the end of games won't just like throw it back like that. Like I, I, like he would have just tried to fucking, I don't know, stay on his feet and just stumble and say, but he just said, fuck it. I'm giving my team a chance.

• 1:41:48Travis Kelce?

  And this, and the guy that dies right here.

• 1:41:52Speaker 05

  The kid getting up is honestly, that's.

• 1:41:55Speaker 02

  So good.

• 1:41:59Travis Kelce?

  Gotta love it.

• 1:42:00Speaker 02

  That's incredible.

• 1:42:01Travis Kelce?

  Gotta love it.

• 1:42:02Speaker 02

  Oh man, that should be number one for sure.

• 1:42:04Travis Kelce?

  Should be number one, but we'll go five. Blind rankings.

• 1:42:06Speaker 02

  Yep. Sorry, guys. It's the best we can do.

• 1:42:09Travis Kelce?

  We're just going off of how Brandon's done these in the past.

• 1:42:12Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:42:12Speaker 05

  That's, you're trying to outthink me. You're trying to outthink me. You shouldn't do that. I'm not even thinking at all. Um, all right, we're gonna go. You can't fool somebody who's not even trying. Uh, we're gonna go back to the NFL. Where's my guy? Show him every week. Friend of the show. Gotta get him on at some point. Big man, Darnell Washington with the sweet fee.

• 1:42:34Travis Kelce?

  Oh, that's nasty. That's a hell of a release too.

• 1:42:39Speaker 05

  Go.

• 1:42:40Travis Kelce?

  It's a hell of a release too.

• 1:42:44Travis Kelce?

  Would have been so nasty if he scored right there.

• 1:42:49Travis Kelce?

  So nasty.

• 1:42:51Speaker 02

  Fake bubble.

• 1:42:53Travis Kelce?

  Got the knees up.

• 1:42:54Speaker 05

  Look at that big man.

• 1:42:56Travis Kelce?

  He was, he was, he wasn't getting hocked.

• 1:43:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:43:01Travis Kelce?

  He's, he got the knees up and got the fuck out of there. God damn, he might be my favorite player to watch in the NFL right now, man.

• 1:43:08Speaker 02

  I do love watching plays. Um.

• 1:43:11Travis Kelce?

  And especially hearing Tomlin say he's a great dude, man.

• 1:43:14Speaker 02

  I'll go nine.

• 1:43:15Travis Kelce?

  I'll go nine.

• 1:43:16Speaker 05

  Fee House that I would argue for more. All right, we're gonna keep it moving. We're gonna keep it going tight end. For some reason, big tight end week. Uh, we're going another one-handed snag. Raiders, Brock Bowers.

• 1:43:28Travis Kelce?

  Brock, he gets another one-hander.

• 1:43:36Travis Kelce?

  Insane. No way.

• 1:43:40Speaker 02

  Have to stick.

• 1:43:40Travis Kelce?

  Oh my gosh. This dude is filthy, man.

• 1:43:47Travis Kelce?

  This dude is just filthy.

• 1:43:49Speaker 02

  Jay Jeta. It's gotta be above Jettas.

• 1:43:52Travis Kelce?

  So it's gotta be six. That's all we got left.

• 1:43:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:55Travis Kelce?

  God damn, that's top five worthy.

• 1:43:57Speaker 02

  I think there's eight is available.

• 1:43:59Speaker 05

  We have one more left.

• 1:44:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'll go six.

• 1:44:02Speaker 05

  All right, it's at six. That's at six. All right.

• 1:44:04Travis Kelce?

  God damn, Brock, keep going, Brock.

• 1:44:05Speaker 05

  Man, we're leaving some good plays on the board. Oh shit. I'm gonna go weird on this last one. Bear with me. Maybe this is a veto. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's not. I don't know. This, I've watched this a bunch over the weekend. She's everywhere. It's not a football highlight. This is Thomas Jefferson High School senior Leila Clark in the TJHS band. Absolutely fucking ripping thunderstruck on the xylophone.

• 1:44:30Speaker 02

  I saw this.

• 1:44:36Speaker 05

  Come on, Kayla.

• 1:44:42Speaker 05

  Are we ranking Kayla?

• 1:44:47Speaker 05

  Listen to it.

• 1:44:50Speaker 02

  This is where it gets hard.

• 1:44:52Speaker 05

  She stays with it.

• 1:44:54Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:45:04Speaker 02

  I mean, she's clearly the highlight of this song.

• 1:45:06Speaker 05

  She fucking rules, dude.

• 1:45:08Travis Kelce?

  This is her song.

• 1:45:11Speaker 05

  She is from Pittsburgh. I want to point that out. Thomas Jefferson High School, from Pittsburgh.

• 1:45:16Speaker 02

  I just love the focus. She will not be deterred.

• 1:45:19Speaker 05

  No. Look at, she's locked the fuck in.

• 1:45:22Travis Kelce?

  I mean, it's either we rank it or we don't even show this. Because it's just so mean to veto it.

• 1:45:28Speaker 05

  No, this, listen, play the game, Travis.

• 1:45:31Speaker 02

  I think we voted, I think we voted eight. I think we go eight.

• 1:45:34Travis Kelce?

  All right, let's go eight. Let's go eight. It was impressive. It was impressive.

• 1:45:38Speaker 05

  Gotta get the band kids involved.

• 1:45:39Speaker 02

  I'm all, I'm all in. I'm all in.

• 1:45:41Travis Kelce?

  That's your top 10 brought to you by American Express.

• 1:45:45Speaker 02

  And that wraps up this episode of New Heights. Thank you to Neil deGrasse Tyson for hopping on. Thank you to all you 92%ers for tuning in each week and, uh, until next time.

• 1:45:55Travis Kelce?

  Once again, New Heights a Wondery Show brought to you by Stouffer's. Follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. Thank you to the New Heights production team every single time. We appreciate you guys more than you know. And thank you to all the 92%ers for tuning in. We'll see you guys next week. And don't you forget about that Nick Saban episode this Friday. You're not gonna want to miss it.