Patrick Mahomes' Return, NFL Season Preview & Michigan Clock Debacle with Jon Ferrari | EP 200

92%ers, welcome to another episode of New Heights brought to you by Reese’s! Today on the 200TH Episode of New Heights, we reveal the greatest New Heights moments of all time, Travis lets us know how he’s feeling headed into season 14, break down what to expect from the Chiefs and Eagles in Week 1, and which NFL storylines we’re the most excited about headed into the 2026 season. We also get a visit from our Senior Rules Correspondent, Jon Ferrari, to break down the Michigan Hail Mary disaster, debate what a hold is in the NFL, and which penalties fans do not understand. Watch and listen to new episodes of New Heights every Wednesday during the NFL season and follow us on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow You can also listen to new episodes on Prime Video, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. . . . Watch the full episode here: Prime: https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0JLG80EV3QTOUJWLN8KSQ3OSTL?ref_=atv_dp_share_cu_r Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Support the show: REESE’S: Everything happens for a REESE’S. Buy now! XFINITY: Get built-in WiFi features that protect from threats at home and online. Visit https://xfinity.com/shield to learn more. Xfinity. Imagine That. EXPEDIA: The one place you go to go places. https://www.expedia.com/ COLGATE: Colgate Total prevents problems before they start. Available on Amazon https://tinyurl.com/ColgateTotalAmazon. ALLSTATE: Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds:https://Allstate.com https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https://allstate.com/&data=05%257C02%[email protected]%257C45f90dbee0d44ff7a39d08de3db817f5%257C88b431e7cf2a43a9bd0081441f5c2d3c%257C0%257C0%257C639016058228004681%257CUnknown%257CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ==%257C0%257C%257C%257C&sdata=+RjZRr4WIXKUCd5Mz4V67QiGFN9ad/5MVueeErXApYw=&reserved=0. YOUTUBE TV: New users get NFL Sunday Ticket $240 or 8 payments of just $30/mo (1st charged at purchase). $47.25/mo or $378 for returning users. YouTube TV required. Payment plans not available everywhere. Terms and embargoes apply. Commercial use excluded. No refunds. Device and content restrictions apply. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:15Speaker 02

  Think about this, John. Think about this. Blindside blocks are more protected than receivers going over the middle.

• 1:21Travis Kelce?

  Yes.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  In other words, if a receiver's coming over the middle, I can lay into him as hard as I want, as long as I don't hit his head.

• 1:27Travis Kelce?

  Head, yeah, no head in there.

• 1:28Speaker 02

  And I don't lead with my head. On a blindside block, I literally have to go with hands. Why are we fucking playing pancake? Why the fuck can't I just clean this dude's clock? I thought we were playing football, John.

• 1:46Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. A Wondery show brought to you by Reese's. That's right. We're your hosts. I'm Travis Cousins. My big brother Jason Kelce out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the Heights and shout out to the Bear Cast. We're going 1-0. We just got done, I'm sure we'll talk about it, taking our talents back to Nipper Stadium for a day. That was pretty fun. Follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. And Jason, why don't you tell the people what's coming up for this episode?

• 2:14Speaker 02

  Shirley, Travis, 90%ers, we got a great episode geared up for you right now. We're gonna break down all of Week 1 this week in the NFL. Gonna talk about heading back to Cincinnati. We're gonna be joined by our first ever New Heights Senior Correspondent, who will give us the scoop in his area of expertise, which is officiating. Let's dive into that right now. Let's start with some of that. New news.

• 2:41Travis Kelce?

  New news.

• 2:42Speaker 02

  New news is brought to you by Xfinity. And the newest news, Travis, is that New Heights turns 200.

• 2:49Travis Kelce?

  Dude, we're, what is that, bicentennial?

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Yes, that's correct.

• 2:53Travis Kelce?

  How about that?

• 2:54Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:56Travis Kelce?

  They're letting us do this for 200 full episodes and we haven't got canceled yet? We got a good team. We gotta keep the team tight.

• 3:02Speaker 02

  Cancel myself, probably.

• 3:03Travis Kelce?

  Keep the team tight. Yeah. Well, how about it? Are we doing anything for our official 200th episode?

• 3:10Speaker 02

  Actually, funny you say that. Jake put this out on social as well as branded.

• 3:16Travis Kelce?

  Jake, this guy just had a baby. Still working?

• 3:18Speaker 02

  Well, this is pre-baby, pre-baby. This was when he was working. Now he is at home watching that baby and mama, like he should be. Like he should be.

• 3:31Travis Kelce?

  Great delivery.

• 3:32Speaker 02

  That's right. Anyways, so take a look at this list. 92 top moments from our show's past. All voted on and submitted by you all.

• 3:42Travis Kelce?

  It was not voted on.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  There was some type of, what happened? How did you make number one, number two, number three?

• 3:50Travis Kelce?

  They put this, they just put this together.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  There's no way. There's no way they put that together without putting Taylor.

• 3:57Speaker 04

  I'm dead serious. We, we, it's, we made it up. Those of us who made the 92 moments made it up. It's a preseason list people to argue about. If you want more detail, we did record some.

• 4:08Travis Kelce?

  Brandon, these are your favorite top, these are your, these are just your favorite moments.

• 4:12Speaker 04

  We fought about some. We did fight about some. I think they hold up. There was, there was a reason behind all of them. If you want the reason, we did record audio only podcast you could listen to that we're explaining these.

• 4:23Travis Kelce?

  No, no, no, you're good. You're good.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  I think that the millions of views episode that broke the internet, quite literally, probably should be number one.

• 4:33Speaker 04

  It's tough. Well, do you want the reason? Do you want the reason? I think it's tough.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  Sure. Give me your bullshit reason, Brandon.

• 4:41Speaker 04

  Why I'm being, I, I think the moment in season one of you guys being the first brothers to play in the Super Bowl and having to then record a podcast about it is something that genuinely will not happen again. To me, that was like a defining moment of the show. And yeah, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that Taylor is not the most popular goddamn thing they've ever done. I'm not saying that.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  When, when do you think it's gonna happen? When do you think it's gonna happen again, Brandon? Where somebody professes his love for the most popular person on the planet, and then they end up actually starting to date, and then they end up coming out and releasing their album a year after that? What do you think that's gonna happen again, Brandon?

• 5:21Speaker 04

  Lot of athletes got podcasts now. I don't know.

• 5:24Speaker 02

  There's only one Taylor Swift.

• 5:26Travis Kelce?

  We're gonna need a stadium tour. We're gonna need someone that goes to the stadium tour and podcasts.

• 5:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:33Speaker 04

  And gets denied elevator access and then gets mad about it. Takes it out on an ad read.

• 5:39Speaker 02

  And I'll throw Kylie up there, too. Kylie should be above the other, it should be, it should be Taylor, it should be Taylor first, and then Kylie, because Kylie's episode, then she launched her other podcast, and then that's launched into a whole fucking thing. Those two moments were.

• 5:52Speaker 04

  This is why.

• 5:55Speaker 04

  This is why you make lists to argue about.

• 5:57Travis Kelce?

  This list could have been better.

• 5:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:00Speaker 04

  It's fine. Argue about it. Get in the comments. Yell at me. That's fine. I don't read them anyways.

• 6:04Travis Kelce?

  What's the last one? What's the, what's the 92nd?

• 6:07Speaker 04

  The one that snuck on there. Ed Kelsey on child abductions.

• 6:12Travis Kelce?

  All right.

• 6:13Speaker 02

  If we're being honest, that should be high.

• 6:15Travis Kelce?

  Nice. All right. Well, there we go.

• 6:17Speaker 02

  Other new news. Shout out to Peyton and Eli for having us to help launch this season of the Manning Cast.

• 6:23Travis Kelce?

  Dude.

• 6:24Speaker 02

  Commercial just launched, it's online. I did, I did, I did see it.

• 6:27Travis Kelce?

  So good. It's too long for us to show the entire thing. It's about 20 minutes, 15, 20 minutes. It's so fucking good, though, man. They never miss. It was an honor to be some of the NFL brothers to come in and make that thing pop.

• 6:41Speaker 02

  I wish we would have gone back and forth more like the Harbaugh brothers were going back and forth. We should have, they, they killed it. We should have been doing a little bit more of that. But either way, it's out now. Check it out on social, and more importantly, check out the Manning Cast this year on Mondays. You're gonna love it.

• 6:56Speaker 04

  All right now.

• 6:57Speaker 02

  Uh, the Mannings aren't the only ones broadcasting games this year. Trav, I will be broadcasting four games this year with my friends Kurt Warner and Dave Pash.

• 7:05Travis Kelce?

  Dude, Kurt Warner?

• 7:06Speaker 02

  That's right, Kurt. Yep. The orchestrator of The Greatest Show on Turf.

• 7:10Travis Kelce?

  Fucking cool.

• 7:10Speaker 02

  Hall of Fame quarterback, and even so far, he's been nothing but helpful. You know, I'm so honored to just be in a booth and to learn from these guys.

• 7:21Speaker 02

  Cause I really, we did a test run down in Houston, and it was everybody's challenge as I expected it was gonna be. And I just, Kurt has been so helpful. So has Dave. But excited to go over there and be overseas with those guys and call a few games this year. No doubt about it. And we got some great games. Got some great games.

• 7:43Travis Kelce?

  There you do. You got a little Eagles Jaguars out in London, Week 5. Week 4, you got another London game, Colts versus Commanders. Week 7, you got Steelers and Saints in Paris. Paris.

• 7:55Speaker 02

  Right. First game in Paris. First game in Paris. Kylie speaks French. Hopefully she can come along and translate for me.

• 8:03Travis Kelce?

  Let's go. And then Week 16 is to be determined.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, that'll be a flex game on a Saturday.

• 8:09Travis Kelce?

  Nice. Well, never say never. Let's see if I'll get flexed.

• 8:13Speaker 02

  That'd be great.

• 8:14Travis Kelce?

  Did you request the international games on purpose, or was that just the, the ones?

• 8:18Speaker 02

  I mean, that was what was available. Right. Yeah. So ESPN bought NFL Network. So now that NFL Network package that used to be, or still is with them, now ESPN is kinda handling. So, yeah, I mean, that was kinda the opportunity there. I mean, they're not adding, actually, they took away Monday night games. There's no more double headers on Monday night, so it's only one game every Monday night, which I think is the right move. The double headers are fun, too, but it feels like Monday night should be a standalone game.

• 8:45Travis Kelce?

  Now, I'm never gonna complain about a lot of football, man, but it feels like it took a little bit of the magic out of like the one game you get to see on Monday night, the one game you get to play in on Monday night. Like, let, let, let the, let the show be the show, man. When the lights are on, baby. There's nothing like playing on Monday night, man.

• 9:03Speaker 02

  So, yeah, ESPN took away some of the games in that regard. So obviously, they're working with the new NFL Network games. Listen, man, I've always been curious what it's like up there in the booth. Seems like a lot of fun.

• 9:16Travis Kelce?

  Hell, yeah.

• 9:17Speaker 02

  Thankfully, they're not putting me, you know, I got some help. I got some seasoned veterans up there with me.

• 9:21Travis Kelce?

  I was gonna say, yeah, you got a good crew.

• 9:23Speaker 02

  Cause I am very much a rookie.

• 9:26Travis Kelce?

  Turn the lights on, man. You'll see that blinking red dot, man. You know you're live. And go out there and have some fun, dude.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  Start going.

• 9:31Travis Kelce?

  All right now, well, that's it for New News brought to you by Xfinity. Let's get into some bold topics. Bold Topics is brought to you by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. How about it? It's kickoff week, baby, and football is officially back.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  Yes, it is. Not only are we kicking off, we're kicking off Monday Night Football with the Kelsey Brothers. The Broncos take on the Chiefs, and I'm gonna be in the house to watch it all happen. Trav, how's it feel going into season 14?

• 10:02Travis Kelce?

  God, I'm fired the fuck up right now. There's nothing better, man, than the feeling you get going into Week 1. You get a fresh start, especially if you got a sour taste in your mouth from last year. It, you get a fresh start with a new team. Everybody's healthy. Everybody's ready to fucking rock and roll. There's a lot of juice in the building right now, man, and we're excited to get after it on Monday night.

• 10:23Speaker 02

  Is it better or worse to start off on the national stage?

• 10:28Travis Kelce?

  Man, give me the fucking lights, man.

• 10:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:31Travis Kelce?

  Put me under the lights, dog. Every game. I fucking love it, man. There's nothing better than primetime football. The magic is in the air. You feel how intense the game is, especially if it's a divisional game. Everything's, everything matters a little bit more. The team knows you a little bit more. You gotta be more dialed in. And I know Sean Payton's got those, those guys fired up and ready to rock and roll too. So I'm looking to, you know, get after it, baby.

• 10:54Speaker 02

  Well, it is not without change. Obviously, the Kansas City Chiefs have had a lot of continuity over the last, I don't know, seven, eight years, whatever you want to call it. Andy Reid's still at the helm, but Eric Biennium is back as the offensive coordinator. Pat Mahomes is back from his ACL injury. We have some new guys out wide, new running back. Where do you guys feel as an offense and how you've gone through this whole offseason and where you guys are at heading into a game against who probably, a team that probably was the best team in the AFC last year. Not throwing shade at New England, but if Bo Nix doesn't get hurt, I have a feeling they might find their way into the Super Bowl last season.

• 11:34Travis Kelce?

  I hear you. And you were talking about continuity from over the years. Well, one thing we have new this year is a guy named Kenneth Walker. Might have heard of him winning the Super Bowl last year and winning the Super Bowl MVP last year. And it's going to be exciting to see Arrowhead get to see that guy. It's definitely been a different feel this offseason. From, from everything that happened last year, who, who we brought in and how we've reshaped this organization from the inside. I think it's, it's, like I said, I keep saying exciting, man. I cannot wait to get out there and show everybody what we've been working on. And especially, you know, getting out there and see Kenneth Walker in a Chiefs jersey, man. That dude is an absolute beast. And I think we'll be handing the ball off to him quite a bit.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  Walker is a bit thicker than I remember. Than I, than I thought. Dude, watching him in Seattle and then seeing him in person, and thicker in a good way, like enormous thighs, a big old BBL on the backside of it. Like, he's got some girth to him that's got some ability to sustain. Bill Belichick, he knows. Good way to check it out. You gotta check out that rear end on guys. That'll tell you a lot. Unless you look at Jason Kelce, then don't, don't judge me too hard. You know, in Seattle, heading into the playoffs, when Charbonne went down, I was curious to see how he was going to do as a featured back with a bigger workload, because he seemed like

• 13:01Speaker 02

  more of like that, like scat back, quick explosive playmaker. But then you watch him play all plays, and man, this guy's like running through dudes. Like, he is a strong player. So.

• 13:13Travis Kelce?

  K9's the real deal, man. And he's not, not only is he the, the type of athlete that you want, but it's in type, in terms of the mentality and being a teammate. And I mean, he checks all the boxes, man. He's just, he's, he's one of the best in the league right now. And he, and he got compensated, deservedly so in the offseason because of the hard work he's put in and how he's conducted himself as a professional, knowing about the situation that was in Seattle. And that's why he was ready to just step in whenever his number was called. So we're excited to have him as a Chief.

• 13:44Speaker 02

  You guys got a new running back, receiver. Lot of, you know, we got Worthy coming back, Rashid Rice. What is the deal with Cyrus Allen though? I want to, I want to talk about the Bearcat grad.

• 13:54Travis Kelce?

  Cyrus, baby.

• 13:55Speaker 02

  Lot of noise coming out of camp that he's been looking really good. What, what kind of playmaking ability and what will he bring to the offense, you think?

• 14:05Travis Kelce?

  You know, I think right now it's, we got a stacked, stacked wide receiver room. And I know, I know Xavier Worthy is taking that next step. Rashid Rice has been proven in this offense. And he's, he's looking as prime and as ready as he's ever been. And then Ty Quan Thornton's a tall, long pass receiver downfield that made a lot of huge plays for us last year.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  Not about him, yeah.

• 14:30Travis Kelce?

  And, and you know, there's, there's a handful of others like, like Nico and Jalen more that, I mean, I could go on. But I think what, what you're alluding to is the, the excitement you saw through or heard through camp, his playmaking ability, the preseason catches he's had. He's got a lot of explosiveness in terms of his, his playmaking ability. And he's got a savviness to his routes that you just can't teach. You know, some guys just have a good feel for it. And he's one of those guys, man.

• 14:59Speaker 02

  Well, the biggest news, I think, that everybody's gonna want to talk before the game, Pat Mahomes is officially back from his ACL injury. Only nine months ago, there was a lot of questions on whether Pat would be able to get back in, in terms of playing for this game. He will be out there. We are going to see the best quarterback in the NFL play this Monday. What version are we going to see? A big part of Pat's game is his ability to create. And that's one of the reasons you guys have been so good is off the schedule, you know, play breaks down, he'll scramble around, he'll run it, he'll find you, he'll find somebody. Like, that's been one of the really explosive areas of his game. Is that still there? Do you see that in practice?

• 15:41Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm not going to tell you what I'm seeing in practice, but what I've seen is a guy do everything he possibly can to be ready for week one. What he's done to get to this point is second to none. And you saw that switch flip when he, when he had the surgery of how he was going to be determined to get healthy for the season. And we're excited that he's, he's going to be out there rocking with us on week one. You know, in terms of his ability to move around and stuff like that, he's a competitor, man. And he only knows one way to play the game. When that ball snap, I expect to just see Patty Mahomes out there playing football.

• 16:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, the one thing that I think, so if I'm being like very honest, part of me thinks back to Carson Wentz. And when Carson went down with the ACL injury, he wasn't the same in that regard of creating and figuring things out off schedule and outside the pocket. The difference, I think, with Pat, I just, that dude seems to just find a way. Like, no matter what it is. And that's just one of the ways that he does it. And if that's not there, he just seems to me like the type of guy that has that it factor, that he's going to find another way to do it.

• 16:45Travis Kelce?

  There's just the competitive edge to him. And he, he understands, he understands the game to a certain degree, man. If one thing doesn't work, he has the ability to tweak how he's playing or tweak what he's doing to still get that same success. And that's why we love him, man.

• 16:58Speaker 02

  Huge division implications at play. That one is gonna be fun to watch. Good luck, Trav. See you on Monday.

• 17:07Travis Kelce?

  Thank you to our presenting sponsor, Reese's.

• 17:11Speaker 02

  The chocolatey peanut butter is back. And quick question, when teams travel overseas for a game, why do they bring extra bags?

• 17:20Travis Kelce?

  Isn't it for equipment or more Reese's? Because you're flying pretty far. You gotta pack snacks, right?

• 17:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's no way a guy's checking extra small bags of clothes. That's a Reese's bag. That's right. Absolutely Reese's bag.

• 17:36Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, 100%. You know, somebody's got a whole carry on dedicated to peanut butter cups. You know I do. Priorities, man.

• 17:44Speaker 02

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• 17:54Travis Kelce?

  Football's back. And when your defense is locked in, you don't even have to think about it. You just play.

• 18:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, that feeling that everything's handled so you can just focus on the game, that's what this season's all about.

• 18:06Travis Kelce?

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• 18:19Speaker 02

  Come on in, Brandon.

• 18:20Speaker 04

  Hey.

• 18:21Speaker 02

  Don't be shy.

• 18:22Speaker 04

  You know, we travel a lot for work.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  We do, we do, we do.

• 18:25Speaker 04

  I'm always out there in Kansas City or in Philadelphia. And I don't have anything set up to keep tabs in my home while I'm gone. I'm not really much of a big old cameras everywhere kind of guy. But I'd still love some kind of way to know what's going on without having to watch a live feed. You guys, you guys know anything like that?

• 18:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, we actually know.

• 18:43Travis Kelce?

  We just happened to be in the middle of speaking about it.

• 18:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:47Speaker 04

  What? Oh, well, go ahead.

• 18:49Speaker 02

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• 19:00Travis Kelce?

  It's not about the over monitoring. You're just in the know. And on top of that, Xfinity's cybersecurity blocks threats on your devices before they even hit.

• 19:11Speaker 02

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• 19:19Travis Kelce?

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• 19:29Speaker 02

  Thank you to our partner, Expedia.

• 19:32Travis Kelce?

  So when you're planning a trip on Expedia, do you have it totally planned out?

• 19:37Speaker 02

  Come on. Who knows really what they're doing week to week? Well, nobody knows.

• 19:45Travis Kelce?

  Great point. No shame in that. Expedia lets you keep it open. Start with a flight, then add the rest later and save up to about 30% doing that.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  So you could book a flight now and just deal with the rest whenever?

• 19:59Travis Kelce?

  Exactly.

• 20:00Speaker 02

  That's what you're saying?

• 20:01Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 20:03Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Get the flight, hotel, get later. With a swim-up bar, if you want it. Car later, yes. And the more you book, the more you save. So that's why, even though you're doing it later on, the more you book in the bundle, the more you save. You can save up to 30%.

• 20:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, the more you book, the more you save. So more is more.

• 20:21Travis Kelce?

  More or less. And if you want a cocktail with a full meal skewered on top of it, that could probably be arranged too.

• 20:29Speaker 02

  Expedia, the one place you go to go places.

• 20:32Travis Kelce?

  Sign in to save. Savings vary.

• 20:36Travis Kelce?

  Let's get to a little Eagles commanders. First look at new Philly offense. That's right with Sean Mannion at the helm or calling the plays right now. What do you, what do you want to see the Eagles offense go out there and do immediately?

• 20:51Speaker 02

  What do I want to see them do? I mean, I want to see them score touchdowns.

• 20:54Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, but let's get a little bit more, let's dissect it a little bit more.

• 20:58Speaker 02

  I'm really looking forward to seeing what the new offense is going to look like. I don't think we've, and not only do I not think, they've flat out said they have not shown what this offense is going to look like yet in the preseason. Um, you know, we know what this looks like in the McVay Shanahan tree with the under center, the motions, the outside zones paired with the boots, paired with the drop back play actions, paired with the screens, how it all looks similar, how they build leverage and angles in the run game and in the passing game. I always have enjoyed watching these offenses on other teams. Uh, very much looking forward to seeing what these guys look like this Sunday against the commanders. There's a lot of new on both sides of the ball. Eagles, obviously new

• 21:42Speaker 02

  offensive coordinator, first time Jalen's ever run a system like this. First time this team has done something like this offensively. Pretty much the exact same things happening over in Washington. They just hired a new offensive coordinator, David Blatt, who's also in this background. So obviously Jaden Daniels has done a lot of the college no huddle, spread, RPO, zone read offense to this point in his career with Cliff Kingsbury. Now all of a sudden they're going to be doing this as well. He's going to be more in the center. So we're going to see both offenses doing similar changes and it'll be interesting to see how much they change, how much they kind of keep some semblance of what they did, or is it all going to be brand new? And it's going to be interesting watching both of those teams. Obviously, Washington had a ton

• 22:24Speaker 02

  of injuries last year. Jay Daniels was hurt for a very large portion of it. So was McLaren. So it's going to be, uh, it's going to be interesting to see what they look like as well offensively. And then for us, going up against Washington, going up against Washington's defense, they're not even going to be this Dan Quinn defense. Dan Quinn comes from the Pete Carroll cover three, not a whole lot of variety, right? They're going to play a four down front. It's going to be, you know, pretty much cover three all day. Like that's what they do. They live in it and they know where their weaknesses are and they adjust accordingly. Quinn had started to adjust a little bit when he was in Dallas where he started blitzing a little bit more, playing

• 23:06Speaker 02

  more cover one, trying to throw teams off. Now it appears that they're going to be pretty much running Minnesota's defense under Brian Flores. They hired Durante Jones, who's from the Brian Flores tree. Couldn't be more different. Way more middle field open, too high shell looking defenses. They pressure at an absurd rate, but they play palms and quarters behind it. So this is going to be a way different looking commanders team. And I'm looking forward to see what that looks like, how well they execute that. I mean, it's, it's been highly successful in Minnesota. I do think you got to have some guys at linebacker to make that system work.

• 23:45Travis Kelce?

  Drafted one.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  And that's right. So like Brian Flores from the New England tree in New England, they had the, Jamie Collins, Hightower, all these guys that could be on the line of scrimmage and physical and holding down a point. They could be off ball and coverage. It was, it allows them to be multiple. And even though it's a different thing that they're doing in Minnesota than what they ever did in New England, they like that versatility still. You got a guy like Van Ginkle up in Minnesota who brings a lot of value. Ivan Pace Jr., another Cincinnati guy, I think has been a good piece for them throughout the last couple of years. It doesn't surprise me to go out with the seventh pick overall and get styles from Georgia. Those guys, because they have to operate in so much space when they do pressure and play an umbrella on top, they have to, they have a lot

• 24:30Speaker 02

  of room to roam in that middle ground of coverage. And then on top of that, they got to be able to hold up against offensive lineman in the run game if they're going to mug all these guys up. So I can't wait to see what all this looks like. It's a lot of creative, it's a lot of creativeness and new things that are trending in the NFL. How well do these teams incorporate them? And then obviously, I mean, Philadelphia Eagles, their front, how they, Washington's already banged up, right? They're, they're missing Laramie Tunsil, Allegretti, our guy Allegretti from

• 25:01Travis Kelce?

  Nikki Allegretti.

• 25:03Speaker 02

  He's been hurt for a lot of the preseason. He's coming back for this one, it sounds like.

• 25:07Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  They're already banged up. I mean, this is what we've been waiting for. Philadelphia's been waiting to see what this offense is actually going to look like, what Jalen Hurts is going to look like, how Saquon Barkley is going to do in this operation. And we're going to get our first taste of it this week. I never liked playing new coordinators week one. Like if I had my choice, I would rather have a coordinator that we had tape on the previous year. When you're facing new guys, it's like, you know, what exactly are they going to do? It's a little bit more unsure.

• 25:37Travis Kelce?

  It's a lot more of, yeah, adjustments and, and figuring out what they're, what they're going to do in the drives. But I mean, and that, and that's the thing. If you, if you look at what Dan Quinn's done a lot in the past, it doesn't matter if he's a new coordinator at another team, you know, you typically have got a good understanding of just his track record.

• 25:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 25:57Travis Kelce?

  But with, uh, Durante Jones not necessarily being a D coordinator in Minnesota or, um, just coming in and kind of being a fresh face with Dan Quinn. I think it's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting to see how it all unfolds. And you know, uh, the good thing about this Philly offense is it's, it's good versus all, man. You got fucking ball players, man.

• 26:18Speaker 02

  You do got playmakers.

• 26:19Travis Kelce?

  You got, you got ball players. You got, uh, Jalen, uh, Saquon, man. If they come out running that, running the ball and getting downhill, I can see, I can see them, uh, handling this game, uh, willingly, man.

• 26:31Speaker 02

  One thing I'm going to be looking at, and I think if you're watching the game, go ahead and take a look at it. You're going to see some exotic looks. If this is at all like Brian Flores, there's going to be some exotic things early. And that's one thing I always felt like when we played Brian, there was going to be six or seven looks for the game that were going to be, give you issues early. But if you were able to, you know, kind of remember these and kind of log them, you'd start to see them repeat themselves. And then as the game went, it was like, oh, here comes this one. Here comes this one. And if you're not ready for it, it can be overwhelming, but, um, I'm going to be looking to see if that pattern holds up.

• 27:08Travis Kelce?

  Well, uh, good luck to the Eagles. I mean, you know, good luck to the commanders and good luck to everybody else in the fucking league.

• 27:14Speaker 02

  Well, we're about to get to the rest of the league. Outside of the Eagles, we do have week one coming up. Lot of, lot of exciting storylines to keep your eye on. Here's some of our favorites. Trav, what are you looking forward to watching week one?

• 27:27Travis Kelce?

  Outside of Chiefs Eagles, I will say, um, even though they're in the division, I am intrigued, uh, to see how the entire AFC West offenses look. I think, uh, you know, the quarterback situation in Las Vegas, um, Herbert taking another step. Um, I think, uh, Bo Nix and the gang. I'm, I'm just interested to see what my division, uh, has to offer in terms of, uh, firepower, man.

• 27:56Speaker 02

  Same. I, I'm, the Chargers are one of the teams I'm looking forward to watching the most. Mike McDaniel, I think is one of the best schemers. Like obviously it didn't work out in Miami as a head coach, but if you watch the scheme that they implemented every Sunday, there was some really creative, unique blocking schemes, the way they utilize motions, the way they would throw these like screens kind of out to the flat, but with route concepts downfield. Like I really am excited to see what this looks like in LA. Really excited to see AFC North. I mean, we grew up in the AFC North. Not so much excited to watch Cleveland, to be honest with you. Like I hope they do well. I'm always excited to watch the Browns. But I, I did, I think Baltimore is going to make a major comeback with Jesse Minner. I think that just starting with something fresh,

• 28:40Speaker 02

  they were ravaged by injuries last year, which derailed that season in itself. I think Minner is doing a lot of creative things defensively and is bringing some forward thinking to fronts and coverages and blitzes. And I mean, you watched the preseason game that they did against the Eagles. They were doing, he did a simulated overload front pressure in a preseason game. I can't wait to see what this guy has in store for the regular season. Um, and on top of that, they got Lamar coming back. And then Joe Burrow. I mean, I'm always excited to watch Joey B play with Higgins and, uh, Jamar Chase.

• 29:15Travis Kelce?

  NFC West, baby. We got a, a good one early over there down under, um, with the Niners and the Rams. Uh, obviously the Rams, all the moves they made, uh, or the big move they made. Um, and then, uh, seeing where the 49ers are right now and, uh, how great they've been in years past. You know, that division is just, it's packed with the Seahawks too, making the, you know, defending their title. Um, I'm interested to see just how, how competitive, uh, each game is over there.

• 29:43Speaker 02

  I had the Rams down as another storyline, just obviously everything with Aaron Donald and Myles Garrett, uh, which we have found out Aaron is not playing week one. Travis, that's correct?

• 29:53Travis Kelce?

  Correct. That's where I just.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  He's not traveling. So, you know, we'll have to wait another week to see what that looks like with him and Myles on the field at the same time, which is an offensive lineman. I can't wait to see what teams do to try and mitigate the chaosness that's going to be up front for them. I can't wait to see how they on, uh, on the defensive side.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  Try and prevent teams from doubling and sliding and doing all these things. What are they doing to try and protect the players? But I'm also always fired up to watch the Rams. The Seahawks were awesome to watch last year on defense. I've really liked the way they play. Leonard Williams just got a brand new contract, outstanding player.

• 30:36Travis Kelce?

  Lost some pieces on the defensive side, so it's going to be intriguing to see how they fill those roles.

• 30:39Speaker 02

  They still got that big pterodactyl nickel. What's his name?

• 30:44Travis Kelce?

  I forget his name too.

• 30:45Speaker 02

  It's like. Inman Warrior or whatever, gosh.

• 30:48Travis Kelce?

  That guy fucking wrecks havoc, man.

• 30:50Speaker 02

  The nickel position has turned into such like a crucial piece on defense.

• 30:55Travis Kelce?

  I mean, if you look what Minter did with Derwin James, he's got another one, another kind of big safety like that. And Kyle Hamilton, who can come down and play that nickel position or, you know, however, they run their, their, you know, personnel is out there. Somebody that can play in the box and play free.

• 31:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. If you look at the best defense in the NFL right now, I think that you, the common denominator is they have a guy that plays that position, can play the run really well, can match up with anybody in the pass game. Like it's a spot that is turned into one of the most valuable on the team, right? You got Petrie in Houston, Cooper Dejean in Philadelphia, Hamilton in Baltimore. Just saying, I'm looking forward to seeing what Dallas looks like.

• 31:37Travis Kelce?

  I will.

• 31:37Speaker 02

  I mean, I am, I'm looking forward to seeing what it looks, I mean, offensively, they're already, they're loaded.

• 31:41Travis Kelce?

  They are fucking loaded.

• 31:42Speaker 02

  Dude, they made no off, offensive acquisitions this offseason. Every draft pick, every free agent, it's like 30 some players new, all defensive guys.

• 31:54Travis Kelce?

  Looks like the old head ball coach said, I'm good on offense, baby. It's crazy. Y'all get that shit figured out over there. We're, we're rolling.

• 32:03Speaker 02

  It is insane. I've never seen anything like that.

• 32:06Travis Kelce?

  I mean, the biggest thing is they, they, they found a way to get Pickens back. I think whether it's franchise or whatever it was, I think.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  However, you gotta do it.

• 32:14Travis Kelce?

  You get that two-headed monster outside, the numbers man, with a good run game, Dak's going to figure some shit out. Yeah.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  All right. And that wraps it up for Bold Topics. Bold Topics, once again, was brought to you by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV.

• 32:29Travis Kelce?

  I bought it.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  All right. And we got out of the house this weekend. Out of the house is brought to you by Expedia. We went back to a UC game. Connor Barwin and Brent Selig joined us as well as Kylie for the Bearcats taking on Boston College.

• 32:44Travis Kelce?

  Well, the real reason we went back was Jason got inducted to the Hall of Fame and, and I wanted to make sure I was there for my big brother. And sure enough, it was, it was a nice old Cincinnati ass whooping. That's right. We've been, we've been pretty good on opening day, better in the start of the season than at the end. But Jason, how'd you, how'd you enjoy getting back?

• 33:05Speaker 02

  First of all, a preface, it was, I think the induction ceremony is still in October. So this was just going to the game where they're kind of honoring us and saying that Connor and I are being inducted in this year's class. Along with Bob Huggins will also be inducted this year in the Bearcats Hall of Fame. We got to see the new facilities that they just built for the football team and.

• 33:25Travis Kelce?

  Shout out to Larry Shakely.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  That's right. That's right. And it was incredible to see how much has changed. Every time I go back, it doesn't, I mean, the campus looks the same in a lot of ways, but it's been incredible how much they continue to change and continue to move forward. You know, there's a lot going on in higher education right now. I mean, not just football, football has all this NIL stuff, everything happening on that front. There's also, you know, colleges are closing left to right, not so much the big schools, but like Kylie's college and Cabrini isn't there anymore. Kids are starting to weigh like the expense of going to college and all of these different factors. So it's just an interesting time at that level. And I really enjoyed talking to President Neville.

• 34:10Speaker 02

  I really enjoyed seeing all the good things that UC is doing and continuing to do to move forward.

• 34:17Travis Kelce?

  That's the thing, man. How much has grown in just in terms of the, the kids? There was, I think there was close to 25 or 30,000 when we were there and now it's all the way, it's, it's over 50,000, which is insane.

• 34:29Speaker 02

  Something that was really cool they offered this year was any in-state kid that qualifies to get into Cincinnati, whose parents make less than 75,000, doesn't pay for school. And I'm just, I, I feel like they're continuing to push forward into this, making UC a viable option for kids from all walks of lives who can afford it and having job opportunities right out of college.

• 34:52Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 34:53Speaker 02

  Cincinnati started the co-op program. That was the first university to really institute that. They've done a lot of things. They've always been really connected with the business leaders in the community of Cincinnati, whether it's the hospitals, the, the businesses like P and G. It's a very well-established and entrenched part of that community. And it's good to see that it's being stewarded in a way, both athletically and academically, that is headed in a direction that I think it needs to go in the future.

• 35:26Travis Kelce?

  Hell yeah, brother.

• 35:27Speaker 02

  And outside of that, it was just good seeing everybody, right? Got to see a lot of former teammates, all the people that were in, that were there when we were there and are continuing to do great things.

• 35:37Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. And make Cincinnati home for, for the next wave of kids, man. It's the best. I mean, I second everything you said, you, you were saying about the University of Cincinnati, how it's growing. And just, you know, seeing that it's still that, that segue into, into the modern world, man. The kids, that's where we grew up and to see that, you know, athletes and students are, you know, getting even better opportunity and better life there as, as much as we've seen the campus grow and more things be at their.

• 36:12Speaker 02

  Disposal. No, I think what you're saying is, and this is the same thing I feel whenever I'm on the college campus. You're dealing with young people that are excited about what's to come in their life. They're away from their families for their first time.

• 36:22Travis Kelce?

  That's exactly it.

• 36:23Speaker 02

  And it's, it's, whenever you're there, you just get swept up in that. Whether it's with the football team, whether it's just walking around campus. I love being back around college campuses and being back at Cincinnati where we went through that ourselves. It just makes it even more like hit home. So.

• 36:43Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 36:44Speaker 02

  It was awesome being back. Got to see a bobblehead of myself. I don't know if you saw this, Travis.

• 36:48Travis Kelce?

  I did see it. I did see it. It was a banger. Real life Bible, bobblehead too.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  Was the con, was the contrast this high in real life? Like, look at how tanned Kylie and I, I feel like this is like, somebody edited this.

• 37:02Travis Kelce?

  Oh, you guys are in great, no, you, this is how tanned you are right now.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  That's how dark my skin looks right there?

• 37:07Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Nothing like a little garage beer pub.

• 37:11Speaker 02

  How unathletic do my calves look in this bobblehead? Like they just gave me.

• 37:15Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. It gave you cartoon legs, man. Those look like the legs of Peter Griffin.

• 37:22Speaker 02

  That's right. No definition. Fuck.

• 37:26Travis Kelce?

  Jason, did you get Adriaticos for the plane?

• 37:28Speaker 02

  Our plane got delayed because there were some thunderstorms coming in, so we had time to go get Adriaticos before we left. Did not disappoint. What do you get on, on your Adriaticos?

• 37:38Travis Kelce?

  I usually do the pepperoni sausage meat lovers type deal.

• 37:41Speaker 02

  I'm a big pepperoni banana peppers fan.

• 37:43Travis Kelce?

  We need to get back to the square pizzas, even though when it's, even when it's like the, the medium though. I want the medium squared. I need the medium squared too. The circles, I don't like the circles. I don't get as much.

• 37:56Speaker 02

  I was a major fatty. I was a major fatty at Cincinnati. After the game, we went and got Adriaticos. Do we went and got Adriaticos? Then we went to Skyline.

• 38:07Speaker 02

  And we were contemplating going to Grater's right after that. We thankfully did not do that.

• 38:12Travis Kelce?

  Grater's would have been the perfect cap to the evening. Which one still hit the same?

• 38:18Speaker 02

  They both still hit the exact same.

• 38:20Travis Kelce?

  Nice. All right. I just wanted to.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  Had a nice three-way and a cheese coney. Adriaticos, I mean, it was fantastic.

• 38:27Travis Kelce?

  That sweet and spicy sauce, man. They got that shit figured out, dog.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:33Speaker 02

  I'm all in.

• 38:34Travis Kelce?

  I don't know. I don't know if there's more. I don't know why there's not more.

• 38:39Speaker 02

  I don't think everybody's a fan of like the thicker, doughy, like slices.

• 38:44Travis Kelce?

  Come on. If it's made like that, why wouldn't they be?

• 38:47Speaker 02

  Well, I, I'm in it. I mean, we grew up on Pan Pizza from Pizza Hut. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I'm, I'm in on the thick.

• 38:54Travis Kelce?

  Come on now.

• 38:55Speaker 02

  Like New York style is awesome as well. I like, I like a lot of different ranges of pizza. I think I'm getting pizza tonight, actually. Now, the more that we're talking about it, I think it might be pizza night tonight.

• 39:05Travis Kelce?

  Well, that's out of the house, brought to you by Expedia. Bearcats, let's keep this thing fucking going, baby. Let's get to 2-0.

• 39:13Travis Kelce?

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• 39:21Travis Kelce?

  That's true. Otherwise you're just out there running cardio. Can't get open for a big play.

• 39:27Speaker 02

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• 39:31Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, like in your mouth.

• 39:33Speaker 02

  My mouth specifically?

• 39:35Travis Kelce?

  I mean, probably yours too, but I'm talking everybody's mouth. There's bacteria in there that can lead to oral health problems like cavities, gingivitis.

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• 40:13Travis Kelce?

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• 40:15Speaker 02

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• 40:23Travis Kelce?

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• 40:46Travis Kelce?

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• 40:59Travis Kelce?

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• 42:26Speaker 02

  And we're into our last segment before we wrap, which is going to be our first time ever bringing in an expert to explain the game of football besides us. That's right. We don't know everything. We damn sure don't know everything. So this year, we decided we're going to start bringing in senior correspondents to try and educate us and you guys on different aspects of the game that we might not be the best at informing you on. And our first ever senior correspondent will be Mr. John Ferrari as our senior corresponding of rules. That's right. Please welcome John.

• 43:01Speaker 05

  Go Birds, Jason.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  Go Birds.

• 43:03Travis Kelce?

  Welcome to the show, baby.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  What is your title with the Eagles? So I can get that right. I don't want to fuck that up.

• 43:09Speaker 05

  Assistant GM.

• 43:10Speaker 02

  Assistant GM?

• 43:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:12Speaker 02

  Whoa, Jesus. I thought it was going to be something with like rules. Assistant GM? Fuck yeah, John. Way to go. All right.

• 43:19Speaker 05

  I'm no chimp in a suit here. This is.

• 43:24Travis Kelce?

  Hilarious, Jason. You're wearing something with rules?

• 43:28Speaker 02

  Well, that's, so John, why don't you give a background real quick of how you've gotten to this point, where you started in the league?

• 43:35Speaker 05

  Yeah. I was at the league office, I was at the league office for 10 years. I worked for the management council when we did the CBA back in 2011. And then management council, you get to know all the teams. We had new work rules, so I was in charge of helping to institute those work rules. So got hired here in 2016 when Coach Peterson got here in that transition. So been lucky to be here for 11 seasons, two Super Bowl wins.

• 44:03Speaker 02

  Shout out. There we go.

• 44:04Speaker 05

  And when I was at the league office, I did some special projects for the competition committee. I worked for Mike Pereira when he was running officiating for Dean after that. So had some experience coming here with, with the rules and the rulebook and officiating in particular.

• 44:20Speaker 02

  Well, one of the things I miss most from being with the Eagles, and I'm not just blowing smoke up your butt, John, the meetings on Saturdays where we would go over things that teams did wrong the week before, things that teams went right, and also just educating us on what are penalties, what's not penalties. It feels like you always had a good grasp of all this stuff. So we had some controversial ones early on, and we also thought maybe we'd open the floor up to you telling us which rules fans misunderstand the most. Cause we got a whole season coming. Twitter is already losing their minds on blown calls by officials. It's one of my least favorite things, especially now that money's on the line. Everybody's complaining about officials. Where are fans right and wrong?

• 45:03Speaker 05

  First of all, Travis, what he's leaving out is Saturday meetings, they used to boo me when I would get on the stage.

• 45:12Travis Kelce?

  Clearly, the entire football team thought you were a part of the rules.

• 45:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly.

• 45:20Speaker 05

  It was from a place of love. That's what I told myself as I, as I cried to sleep every night.

• 45:25Travis Kelce?

  And to be fair, it's just a nice Philly welcome, isn't it? Just you get some booze right away.

• 45:29Speaker 05

  That's right. That's right. Okay. So here's Michigan, the Michigan game. I think the first thing for the, for the, they were in the tank for Michigan crowd. The hard thing is, to me, the biggest play of that game was at the end of the first half with nine seconds after the interception. So Michigan throws an interception. He's down by contact on the 27 yard line and he takes his helmet off to celebrate.

• 45:56Travis Kelce?

  Can't do it.

• 45:57Speaker 02

  Automatic penalty.

• 45:58Speaker 05

  Nobody calls it. It's not called.

• 46:00Speaker 02

  Interesting. Okay.

• 46:01Speaker 05

  So, so the next play, Western Michigan kicks a field goal. If they had forced that penalty, all of a sudden it's a 58 yard field goal or something like that. So that, to me, if we're in the tank for Michigan, we're off to a bad start, right? Then Michigan had, I think Michigan had 10 penalties, Western Michigan had four. So again, the whole, the flow of the game didn't suggest that we're, we're trying the big. Yeah, it does suggest that. So, but then the end of the game, so.

• 46:31Speaker 02

  I was about to say, so end of game did seem like that a little bit.

• 46:36Speaker 02

  What, what? And first of all, how does something like that happen?

• 46:40Travis Kelce?

  Let's give some of our viewers some context here. So Michigan is losing the game to Western Michigan by, I believe about five points.

• 46:50Speaker 05

  It's 12 to seven.

• 46:51Travis Kelce?

  There you go. So they're, they're, they're losing by five and they're going to, they're, they're going to try and throw a hail Mary with seconds left. I think there was roughly nine to 10 seconds left. John, I'll let you take it.

• 47:02Speaker 05

  Nine, nine seconds. Yeah. So they throw the hail Mary. The, it's incomplete and the clock shows zero. Western Michigan's celebrating on the field. So what you guys have to understand is you see the seven officials are in college, the eight officials on the field. There's a whole other replay apparatus that's helping them. The replay official who's operating on a different system called the Hawkeye system. He's taking all the, all the cameras in the stadium. He's using all those cameras. Those cameras are operated by NBC, but they're independent. So he or she can look at whatever view they want to look at at any time. That system is also synced to the game clock. And then Hawkeye and the network are synced

• 47:44Speaker 05

  to each other. So everybody should be synced. So that game clock has integrity in terms of the video and how it's synced to the video. So that play happens, replay looks at it. There's a defender out of bounds. As soon as that defender is airborne and touches the ball, the games, the clock should stop because it's like the ball touched out of bounds. It's the same as if it's, but it, so it touched that defender's hand. Where I think they went awry is at some point in that game, that syncing that I described came unsynced. And what replay was showing was different than what the network was showing. And I think Mike Pereira said this to The Athletic yesterday. In that case, when they're not

• 48:24Speaker 05

  synced, you go with the TV, you go with network. And they went with the replay official who was operating with what he thought was correct. But what I think, where I think they erred was that they didn't go with TV.

• 48:37Travis Kelce?

  You gotta go with whatever the, the viewers are seeing because that's.

• 48:40Speaker 02

  Millions of people are watching.

• 48:43Travis Kelce?

  We gotta make better decisions of that.

• 48:45Speaker 05

  So that's where they, they went away from what is the standard practice in the Big Ten.

• 48:51Travis Kelce?

  So you don't think the Big Ten called the officials and said that there was an extra second on the clock and we, it would just happen to be unsynced at this point? Don't, we don't know how, but it just happened to be unsynced and we're not going for the broadcast copy. We're going to go with what we have in the booth that no, nobody else gets to see.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  That nobody else could see.

• 49:16Speaker 05

  That's right. Well, they showed it. What they did was the next day when the Big Ten released the statement, they showed the Hawkeye sync. So what that guy was seeing was accurate. He saw a second. Again, where I think they aired was that they also didn't say, well, the network is showing something else and we're supposed to go with that. But what he, what he did in that moment, I don't think was, was questionable. He saw a second on the clock and was going with that. They just got, maybe got a little overly excited there and didn't go back to TV.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, but regardless, it does seem really fishy. It's super fucked up for Western Michigan. Like, I don't know how they're not losing their minds more than they are. So the replay official is seeing the Hawkeye. Is there not a TV version up there?

• 50:02Speaker 05

  There is.

• 50:02Speaker 02

  So he's seeing both.

• 50:03Speaker 05

  He's seeing both.

• 50:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right. But he only looked at the Hawkeye? He didn't know that, that it was unsynced?

• 50:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, and I'm, I'm going off the NFL system where the replay official can also see the TV feed. Can, can see both. So that's what they can see. That's how Hawkeye works. It's, you, you can, the default view is the TV view. So, but his clock was different than TV's. And at some point in the game, at some point in that, from that pre-game syncing, it came undone. It was a tough weekend for the back all around, so.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  And there's nothing that they can do retroactively at this point?

• 50:39Speaker 05

  No.

• 50:39Speaker 02

  Like, the game is what it is.

• 50:41Speaker 05

  That's a, no.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  They can't come out afterwards and be like, hey, that last play didn't count? Because actually the game-

• 50:46Travis Kelce?

  They already did that, actually. They, they, they just did it within, the fans still being in the stadium.

• 50:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's right. And you can, you can see, by the way-

• 50:54Travis Kelce?

  Wait, wait, wait, this isn't over yet.

• 50:58Speaker 05

  Western, Western Michigan's on the field celebrating and you can see them celebrating. And then you can see the Western Michigan coach pushing them back to the sideline because-

• 51:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 51:07Speaker 05

  Whatever official on field said, hey, we're still looking at this.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  Hey, we're looking at, it's being reviewed.

• 51:11Speaker 05

  Right. So that part of it at least did happen fast, but-

• 51:14Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 51:14Speaker 05

  It was unfortunate all around.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  Very unfortunate, I think, at this point. I mean, every replay official just needs to double check any situation like this with the TV clock, right? Like, before you make any decision, make, it shouldn't be off of the Hawkeye. Like, what's the point of looking at Hawkeye? Just look at what everybody else is watching for like a second thing. You know what I mean? Something with a game clock should be caught, shouldn't even come down to it. Who cares if it's seen, I just go off the TV copy.

• 51:40Speaker 05

  That's right. And the reason he wants to look at Hawkeye is so he can look at all the different angles, right?

• 51:44Speaker 02

  For sure. Yeah, you get more access to that, but in terms of just the timing, why are we even looking at Hawkeye? Let's just look at the game clock.

• 51:53Travis Kelce?

  I could just see some ornery old dude sitting in his chair, just be like, the, the Hawkeye. Oh, we got a, we got the fucking Hawkeye over here telling me there's a tenth of a second left. The fact that they called it the Hawkeye is, is so good.

• 52:09Speaker 02

  Let's move on to another one that I saw, which was the next day in the Notre Dame game. There was something that got all of offensive line Twitter in an uproar, Travis, which is that a snatch was called a hold. John, you have the clip that we're referring to?

• 52:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, we have the, we have the clip here.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  All right, before you give your ruling, Travis, is this a hold? Is this not a hold?

• 52:31Travis Kelce?

  No, I'm gonna always favor the offensive line.

• 52:33Speaker 02

  I like, I like where your head's at. I like where your head's at.

• 52:36Travis Kelce?

  Hands are inside.

• 52:38Speaker 02

  So this is what I thought immediately. This gets mis-officiated a lot in the NFL and in college, where if you go straight down, hands inside, that's a legal snatch to me. Like, that's more the defensive lineman being out of balance and out of control. I'm just helping him go where he's, his momentum's taking him. John, I sent this clip to you and you had an interesting response. So what is your reasoning behind why this was called what it was?

• 53:04Speaker 05

  So, first of all, I agree with you about the snatch. The snatch is not a, is not a foul. I think this is a foul. And again, this angle doesn't show it great because he's controlling him inside the collar. The control inside the collar is what makes it rise to the level of holding. You know, I think about, you, you know, you ever see a dog with a backpack on hiking? And the dog has the backpack and on the back of the backpack is a little handle? And you can control the dog with the handle, right? You can put the handle, you can grab the, the handle on the backpack and you can move the dog wherever you want it to. That to me is, it's the same thing when you get inside the shoulder pad, inside the collar. You can control that defender and move him where you want to move him. So even though they keep good feet, even though his hands are inside, it's the collar and the grab down,

• 53:50Speaker 05

  not the snatch itself that makes it a holding, in my opinion.

• 53:53Speaker 02

  And this is relatively new, because when I was still in the league, they really weren't officiating grabbing of the collar. Matter of fact, I did it all the time. I loved grabbing people with the collar.

• 54:02Speaker 05

  You were great at it.

• 54:02Speaker 02

  Because for exactly what you said, you can control them very well, especially at the second level. I grab them by one arm, I kind of steer them where I want them to go. So this is relatively new in terms of the NFL saying they want grabbing of the collar being called as a hold. Is that correct?

• 54:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, a couple of years ago, I think it was 24, it might've been 23, the competition committee looked at it and they said, you know, that is, that, that leverage that that collar grab gives you is an unfair advantage to the offensive lineman. And the collar grab, the sustained collar grab, not a quick one where you get your hand, then you get your hands off of it. But the sustained collar grab, they want that for holding, if they can see it. Now, a lot of times when the hands are inside, the official can't see it, you know?

• 54:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 54:45Speaker 05

  It's the, it's the umpire or the referee from behind the play. He might be blocked out, but if he can see that sustained collar grab, they want that for holding, regardless of the feet, regardless of anything else like the snatch, which would other, like I said, would otherwise be legal.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  Well, I gotta say, I, I do think it's bullshit. I think this sucks. Blocking people is hard enough, but Schwartz Brothers, AQ, all of my offensive line brethren, this is the way they're calling it now, apparently.

• 55:10Speaker 05

  And then here's an example where, look at 60 here, no problem, right? So that's where-

• 55:16Speaker 02

  He's just hitting the arm down. He's not grabbing him by the arm.

• 55:19Speaker 05

  Just like a receiver running a route who has the right to not, that defensive back's hands down. You have the right to get, that's why the snatch is legal, because you have the right to get those hands off of you to free yourself to move wherever you want to move. So you have the right to do that. That's why the snatch is legal. Here's one where, J.C. Tretter actually is the center here and Betonio's the guard here. Betonio is in the collar here. You can't really see it, but he's in the collar. That's holding. What J.C. does here, he's trying to get off that snatch, that's legal. So there we have two on the same play.

• 55:52Speaker 02

  So J.C.'s grabbing him, he's not in the collar. So you can still, you can snatch from the shoulder pads if the guy is out of balance.

• 55:59Speaker 05

  No doubt. You have the right to get those hands off of you. And if that means you need to snatch, if that means you need to throw his arms to the side, whatever you need to do to free yourself, you're allowed to do that.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  I guess I just don't see how it's that big of a difference, whether I'm grabbing the outside of the, like the armpit of the shoulder pad, jersey area and snatching him like that versus the collar, even though, I guess the major difference is, I felt like I always had really good control in the collar. Like, I, I did a thousand of these on screens where I'd almost bait him upfield and then essentially throw him to the ground.

• 56:30Speaker 05

  You can control them better. And I think the, the coaches on the competition committee had that conversation when they made this a point of emphasis and said, there's a different, that's different than even grabbing outside the frame, holding in here. Again, because it's hard to see also. So I think by calling it, they wanted to try to discourage it, even though we all know it happens from time to time.

• 56:50Speaker 02

  Well, I can't wait to see offensive line's Twitter's reaction to all this. I love always giving it a, yeah. All right, let's go over what your, your big penalties that you think, you always see Twitter getting in an uproar over and you think are very commonly misunderstood.

• 57:06Speaker 05

  So I think what's misunderstood, and, and Trav can speak to this a lot better than I can, because he's done this for a long time, is people don't understand and fans don't understand how hard it is to block in the NFL. And how hard it is, especially when you're outside the tight end or outside the tackle, how hard it is to block. There's a lot of space. So you have to be aware of blindside blocks, meaning blocking backwards towards your own end line. You have to be aware when you're flexed, you have to be aware of a crackback block where you block inside. You can't block high or low. And then you have to be aware of blocks in the back. So you've got to get them on the side. It is, you have to check a lot of boxes to legally block, especially in the run, in the run game,

• 57:49Speaker 05

  when you're blocking outside in, and it is really hard. Like, I'm gonna show you an example here. So this is Kaderius Tony here at the top of the screen. So he's flexed. So he's flexed and he's blocking back in towards the ball, okay? So he, just like a, a, a pass rusher hitting the quarterback, he has to hit that opponent in that target zone, okay? He can't hit him in the head, neck area and he can't cut him. He's got to hit him in that target zone. Trav, am I right?

• 58:14Travis Kelce?

  Correct.

• 58:15Speaker 05

  So you see here, he comes in and he makes head, neck contact. That's a foul for, that's a foul for an illegal crackback block.

• 58:21Speaker 02

  John, I hate that this is a penalty. I hate it so much.

• 58:25Travis Kelce?

  It's so rough, man.

• 58:26Speaker 02

  I get it, and I know that it's trying to reduce the head, the head-to-head hits, and the person initiating the contact has the most control over that. My problem is the defenseless thing. You're a defender. There, I don't understand why defenders get defenseless. Like, have your head on a swivel? That was like the whole part, like, I get a receiver going for a ball, I get a quarterback is in the pocket throwing it. I don't understand it. And I know that defenders get pissed up. Think about this, John, think about this, because you're about to show another version of this, I think, which is the, the one where you go and you're blocking back towards your own end zone.

• 58:57Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 58:58Speaker 02

  Blindside blocks are more protected than receivers going over the middle.

• 59:04Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 59:04Speaker 02

  In other words, if a receiver's coming over the middle, I can lay into him as hard as I want, as long as I don't hit his head.

• 59:09Travis Kelce?

  Head, yeah, no head in there.

• 59:11Speaker 02

  And I don't lead with my head. On a blindside block, I literally have to go with hands.

• 59:15Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, and it's-

• 59:17Speaker 02

  Why don't we fucking play a pancake? Why the fuck can't I just clean this dude's clock? I thought we were playing football, John.

• 59:24Speaker 05

  You used to be able to. But here's, here's what I would say, Jay, Jay, here's what I would say. This defender here, this defender here gets the same protect, the receiver running the route that you just said.

• 59:33Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah.

• 59:34Speaker 05

  This defender gets the same protection. They're both considered, with a receiver running the route, they're both considered defenseless.

• 59:40Speaker 02

  Okay, all right, I'll grant it, I'll grant it. As much as I, and to be fair, I also liked watching receivers get their heads knocked off. I just like watching people get destroyed. It's like, deep in my bones of 90's football, has, hasn't gone away. I do like that people aren't lying unconscious on the field as much, though.

• 59:57Speaker 05

  Now, here's another one, and Trav, I'm sure you probably remember this. This is back from, to, this is 23. So Trav's gonna go on motion here. He's gonna come back, he's never set for a complete stop.

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  Oh, oh!

• 1:00:10Speaker 05

  This is also a crackback block.

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  He can't do this?

• 1:00:13Travis Kelce?

  No, because I didn't come set, I'm a guy in motion. If I'm, if I'm gonna do this, I gotta, I gotta plant my feet and set myself in the, technically in like that tackle box area.

• 1:00:24Speaker 02

  Okay, okay.

• 1:00:25Speaker 05

  He doesn't have to get set for a full second. He just has to come to a complete stop because they were all set for a second before the motion. So all it is is a complete stop. And then he can cut him.

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  Cut it. Okay.

• 1:00:36Speaker 05

  It's hard to block in the NFL. It's really hard.

• 1:00:38Travis Kelce?

  The toughest one for me is, uh, is the crackback, man. If you catch, if you catch somebody not looking at you, it's like back in the day, you would just, you would lick your chops to be able to get a guy not looking at you because you catch him slipping. And nowadays it doesn't matter if it's like if, if a, if a 320 pound D tackle is chasing the ball, you'd say I'm a wide receiver at two, 200 soaking wet. My ability to just try and put hands on a man that big and stop his momentum from getting to the ball carrier isn't, it's damn near impossible, especially if he has that, the running starter, he's hauling ass. Like the only way to stop that man from getting to the ball carrier is to put some oomph into him

• 1:01:21Travis Kelce?

  or to try and, try and like stop him by, by not necessarily like leading with your head, but if, but the whole, he's a defenseless player. I can't imagine, I can't see how that's the case.

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  But this is my thing, even if you, even if you want to grant him the defenseless positions that receivers and these crackback, uh, block positions get, I, I don't understand why, when you're all of a sudden peeled around, you can't as hit him thick right in the body.

• 1:01:51Travis Kelce?

  Right in the body. Yeah.

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  Well, you can't want to take his ribs out. No, you got to hit him with the hands. Remember I'm talking, we're talking about when you're facing your blind side.

• 1:01:59Travis Kelce?

  Yes.

• 1:01:59Speaker 05

  He's talking about this play in particular here. So like this was, this is my, this is our teach tape, Trav, about how to do it here. Coming back towards the ball.

• 1:02:09Travis Kelce?

  Come on, come on.

• 1:02:10Speaker 05

  Show the hands.

• 1:02:11Travis Kelce?

  All hands, all hands.

• 1:02:13Speaker 05

  And then, and then look at this, look at, look at Jason here. Look at this. Then the hands go up. I'm, I'm innocent. And then he looks at the official.

• 1:02:19Travis Kelce?

  Don't you call that shit. Don't you call that.

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  Probably shouldn't do that. That's admission of guilt is never a good idea.

• 1:02:25Speaker 05

  You know, it used to be that you could hit him as hard as you wanted in the target, in that target zone, but it was, it was only a flop foul for blind side block if it was in the head neck or you cut him. Now they want any for, they wanted any forcible contact because I'll take, and I'll tell you the play that did it. It was this play that made, changed the rule. This play changed the rule. That was legal at the time. Okay. So.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  What's wrong with this?

• 1:02:48Travis Kelce?

  Courtney twins. I knew it was the McCourtney brothers that they probably.

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  Is this Jager? Is this Devon? Is this Jager?

• 1:02:55Speaker 05

  I think it was Devon. I think it's Devon. That's why that Travis Benjamin block became the poster child for why they added any forcible contact going backwards.

• 1:03:04Travis Kelce?

  What happened to him? Did he, did his, did his career end? Why was, why is that the block?

• 1:03:09Speaker 05

  No, I think he came back and won, won two Super Bowls, I think.

• 1:03:12Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. What are we talking about? There's nothing wrong with that hit other than you gotta keep your head on a swivel. I don't fucking get it.

• 1:03:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, I think we've, I think we've gone overboard on blind side blocks. That's all I'm saying. If I, I'm willing to concede cutting in head area. If somebody doesn't see it coming, that you, you shouldn't hit that. But this is football. Like I don't like that my block, I like basically am like just tagging him. I feel this, that's a little too far.

• 1:03:35Speaker 05

  They do employ a common sense, some common sense when it comes to what is forcible on that, right? If it's not, it, it has to be forcible. If you make some contact.

• 1:03:43Speaker 02

  But I want to be forcible. I want it to be.

• 1:03:46Speaker 05

  You want to send a message. I understand what you want.

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  I want to play football, John. I want to play.

• 1:03:52Speaker 05

  And I want you to play football.

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  To summarize, if you're outside the tackle box, you come in, you can't hit in the head area or below the waist.

• 1:04:00Speaker 05

  In that target zone.

• 1:04:01Speaker 02

  And that is if you are outside, two yards outside the tackle.

• 1:04:04Speaker 05

  Yep. So, and that is, and again, you gotta be traveling upfield there like Kaderius Tony was. You gotta be moving upfield because if you're going back, you can't make any forcible contact. You gotta lead with the hands. Like we're talking.

• 1:04:15Speaker 02

  You gotta go hands.

• 1:04:16Speaker 05

  This is why it's so hard because you've got to think about exactly where you are, what direction you're traveling, where the opponent is, what is he looking at? There's so much to think about in those blocks, which obviously we know come on you in a second. Do you think this is entertaining to America? Do you think they're fascinating?

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  Who cares? It's entertaining to us.

• 1:04:32Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. No, it, it, it, I had fun doing it.

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think, I think, I think, I think Americans would really appreciate a more well-rounded showing of what penalties actually are. I think you could actually do a service because I think a lot of people do, and this is just one example, holding, like what is holding, what's not holding? One that gets me is like OPI, offensive pass interference, like I, as an offensive lineman, I still don't understand, like a guy's pressed on him and he's shouldering through, but because they know that it's a pick route, they're just going to call it. Like what's the parameter that we're using here? I, I think that it gets really gray in some of these calls. And I think that you know a lot more of the nuance on to why these get called. So do you Travis, in some of that one in particular, I'm

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  sure. But there's a lot of nuance that the average viewer doesn't understand. And you see him say it all the time on Twitter. So we could do a service to, uh, to the Twitter verse here with John Ferrari. If you, if you'd be open to it.

• 1:05:34Travis Kelce?

  With our senior correspondent.

• 1:05:36Speaker 02

  Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to do this and explain these things to us. Can't wait to see the commanders game this week. Best of luck, brother.

• 1:05:43Speaker 05

  Appreciate you guys. You guys do a great job. Trav, good, good luck to you guys.

• 1:05:46Travis Kelce?

  Thank you, brother. We'll talk soon, man.

• 1:05:47Speaker 02

  All right. That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to John Ferrari. Thank you to all the United 2%ers for tuning in. You can follow us on New Heights Show with one S on Instagram and Twitter and all that other jazz. Uh, listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. See you guys next week.

• 1:06:04Travis Kelce?

  All right. Now, once again, New Heights, a wonder show brought to you by Reese's. As Jason just said, follow the show on all social media. And thanks to our New Heights production team. You guys are gonna have to chop this one together, uh, but we love you guys, man. You guys are the greatest. Thanks for making us look great, sound great, uh, cause you guys are great. And to the 92%ers, we'll see you next week. Peace.

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  A fucked up knuckle on a football player's hand is kind of like a hockey player missing a tooth. It's just like, almost like a rite of passage. Know what I mean? You gotta have something wrong.

• 1:06:44Speaker 02

  You gotta have something wrong with one of them fingers. Let me see your hands, Travis. Let me see your hand. Yeah. You see that, that ring finger on the, on the, on the right hand is a little fat? That, that, yep. That knuckle right there. That's, that's arthritis kicking in. Look at that. Well, hold on. Look at the middle finger on the left hand. Hold it out straight again. Does it go all the way straight? Let me see it from the other side. Uh, that's kind of a normal one. It's got a little bow to it, but I don't think it's football. I think it's just inbreeding. What do you think? Uh?

• 1:07:16Speaker 02

  My hands actually made it out pretty good. They don't look like Chuck Bennericks or Brian Baldingers.

• 1:07:20Travis Kelce?

  You're good. You just.

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  That pinky's a little fucked up. Well, that one, that's, that's the giveaway, right? That's how I close my hand. I gotta close my like this. I can't go, I go like that, but then that finger just kind of points down.

• 1:07:32Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  It's down, down.

• 1:07:34Travis Kelce?

  Jason, why don't you tell the people what happened to that finger?

• 1:07:37Speaker 02

  It's called jersey finger. I was doing a one-on-one rep, nose guard, hit a quick like little deal like that. And my finger got stuck in the jersey. It was actually on that like Friday practice when there's, there's no pads. You know what I mean? It's just like.

• 1:07:50Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  It was a Thursday. I don't know. It just kind of shitty circumstances. Then, so when you tear a tendon off of an attachment point, you have, kind of have like two weeks to fix it. Otherwise the tendon starts losing its blood supply and, uh, it just doesn't function ever again. So I had to decide whether I was going to go on IR for a full season to just cut the tendon out of my finger.

• 1:08:15Travis Kelce?

  There was no in-between? There wasn't like a, throw a club on it?

• 1:08:18Speaker 02

  They were like, we can fix it, but he's just going to re-tear. Essentially was what they said.

• 1:08:23Travis Kelce?

  Like the rehab, the rehab was so long that you, once you get it done, you're done for the rest of the season.

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  I would have been out for the full regular season because of a torn finger tendon and I would look like the biggest, biggest pussy on the fucking planet.

• 1:08:37Travis Kelce?

  You would have had, you would have had dads from the 1960s and 70s. They're riding lot, cut it off.

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  That's right. That's right.

• 1:08:48Speaker 04

  Kelsey, I thought he was tougher than that.

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  You see, you see Jason just went, went on IR this week. What? Oh my hell no. What'd he do? He tears me.

• 1:08:54Travis Kelce?

  Finger.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  His, his finger's hurt.

• 1:08:59Speaker 02

  Can't be doing that, dog. Can't be doing that.

• 1:09:02Travis Kelce?

  So you just said adios. So now you can't even make a fist.

• 1:09:05Speaker 02

  Well, I can make a fist. I just have to make it, it kind of is like a, it looks weird. Looks fine there, there, but that finger doesn't ever.

• 1:09:12Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. It still looks like you give somebody a bloody nose. You're good.

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  I mean, it, it's fine. It's really annoying in golf and my hand always hurts, but it's fine.

• 1:09:22Speaker 02

  I had to go in and cut it out. Brandon, do me a favor. Pull up Brian Baldinger's hands. Let's show, let's give the people, let's give the people what they don't even know they want.

• 1:09:33Travis Kelce?

  Before they, before they knew that they get taped fingers.

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  That's right. Yeah. That's a football player right there, baby. No ifs, ands or buts. That's a guy that.

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  There's a photo of Bennericks that should be like in the, in the Louvre. Look at this motherfucker. Look at this shit.

• 1:09:55Travis Kelce?

  That's what. That's what playing center looks like.

• 1:09:59Speaker 02

  Hockey players got gaps in their, in their teeth. Football players can, can point around a corner.

• 1:10:16Speaker 04

  Him, me, him or me? Him or me? Who are you pointing at?

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  Anthony Muñoz had some messed up fingers.

• 1:10:21Travis Kelce?

  What is that?

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  No fix. He's just stuck with it.

• 1:10:26Travis Kelce?

  You gotta be able to fix that.

• 1:10:28Speaker 04

  How do you get in your pocket?

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  How does it not just get caught on stuff?

• 1:10:34Speaker 04

  How do you get a shirt on? How do you get like through a shirt sleeve?

• 1:10:37Travis Kelce?

  That thing gets jammed in the door every week.

• 1:10:39Speaker 04

  Anthony.

• 1:10:40Speaker 02

  It's the price to pay to be an all, all pro hall of fame left tackle.

• 1:10:45Speaker 04

  These are podcasting hands.

• 1:10:47Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:10:49Speaker 04

  You want to know what high school tennis and a career in media looks like? Beautiful. Look at that. I'm grabbing shit.

• 1:11:00Speaker 04

  Well, look at this shit. Look, it's unscrewed right off the top. Sorry.

• 1:11:05Speaker 02

  Oh man.

• 1:11:06Speaker 04

  Anybody else you want to gander at?

• 1:11:07Travis Kelce?

  I think that's all we needed.

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  I mean, Ronnie Lot, you gotta, we, we mentioned Ronnie.

• 1:11:11Travis Kelce?

  We want to throw the Ronnie's. We gotta tell the story too.

• 1:11:14Speaker 02

  I mean, I don't know that I know the 100% truthful story. I just knew the story that it was broken or whatever. And he had to cut it off in order to play in the Super Bowl was what I was told. Is that the actual story of Ronnie Lot? That's, that's what I always thought it was.

• 1:11:29Speaker 04

  Cutting his finger off mid-game is the title of this video. Jesus.

• 1:11:34Speaker 02

  Why does it still have a nail? If you cut your finger in half, does this just to start, get a nail?

• 1:11:38Travis Kelce?

  We need to get Ronnie on here.

• 1:11:39Speaker 02

  Is it just like so much of the, it's like halfway through the pinky? Is that what it is? And so there's still a little bit of nail left. It's just like, he, he like clipped it right through the point of it.

• 1:11:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  There's Chuck. Look at that Chuck Bennerick, baby. Look at them fingers.

• 1:11:56Speaker 04

  All right. Tune in next week. We're going to show you guys some fucked up feet.

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  Concrete Chuck, except his hands.

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  They made his entire body of concrete and his hands of hanger wire.