MTGM EXTRA! "Is this the ULTIMATE ghosting?"

For consideration this week: Online comments, pigtails, hair regrowth, Vogue's birthday and a man that ghosted his family so hard you won't believe it. Tickets for Joanne's tour Pinotphile are now LIVE: www.joannemcnally.com If you’d like to get in touch, you can send an email to [email protected] Please review Global's Privacy Policy: https://global.com/legal/privacy-policy/ For merch, tour dates and more visit: www.mytherapistghostedme.com This episode contains explicit language and adult themes that may not be suitable for all listeners.

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• 1:41Speaker 03

  Hello and welcome to the bonus episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me with me Vogue Williams and shiny hair, Joanne McCall.

• 1:47Speaker 04

  I thought I'd get in there and remind myself I do know my own name. And that I'm back to life now, post Oasis. I feel great. I've had a facial, I've washed my hair, I've done it, I've done, I've had an everything shower. I've cut my fingernails.

• 1:59Speaker 03

  You never knew there was anything wrong with you, though. Like, I feel like you just, I look at you and I'm like, honestly, I'm like. That's how I feel when I look at your stories. I'm like, why does she get away with it? I don't get it.

• 2:09Speaker 04

  I mask well. It's the neurodivergent in me.

• 2:12Speaker 03

  You mask? I don't mask well.

• 2:15Speaker 04

  You mask well.

• 2:18Speaker 04

  You mask well. You do. You can switch it on. Yeah, you mask. I mean, I'm taking the piss about the neurodivergent thing. Everyone masks to a certain, like, if people didn't mask, everybody would just hate, like, you'd just be telling everyone to go fuck themselves all the time. You have, there has to be an element of masking or civilization wouldn't move forward.

• 2:37Speaker 03

  You can't be moaning at other people. I know I moan a bit, but I do keep it kind of private when I'm on, on full moan stage because like I just, internal moaning for me is better than whinging at everyone, you know?

• 2:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. And as we've discussed before, I'm very much in my, um, Dalulu Dalai Lama era, era where I realise that when people are mean to me or rude to me, what they're really doing is being mean to themselves.

• 3:03Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. I, oh, my God. I actually screen grabbed this because I wanted to show it to you. Um, someone sent me a message. It was, it's in these hidden things where you like hide words or something. Here comes some of the booze.

• 3:15Speaker 04

  Is it a crossword?

• 3:16Speaker 03

  So someone, no hide words. So people can't mail you some bullshit that you don't hear. And I went into it. I was like, oh, what's this?

• 3:23Speaker 04

  Oh, you know, yeah, yeah. Blocking certain terms. Yeah.

• 3:26Speaker 03

  Wish I bloody hadn't. Vogue, I'm a great admirer of yours and an even bigger admirer of your stunning mother. A fresh, fresh air. Have you not ever thought that at nearly 40, you should stop showing your bits in bikinis? And concentrate on a deeper image going forward in your more mature years. I'm a big supporter of all that you've achieved and love your little family. I left their full name. I won't mention it on the pod, but get stuffed.

• 3:52Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, I like, yeah, but like, uh, uh, that to me now is someone thinking that she's offering genuine, motherly advice. Like that, to her, she's just being kind. Like she, it was like, I remember years ago when I was doing, uh, I was stand up at the time, I was doing stand up about Mary Magdalene. I don't know. That was an experimental phase.

• 4:16Speaker 03

  Well, the Teresa better watch out, she's next.

• 4:19Speaker 04

  I've moved away from religion now.

• 4:23Speaker 04

  Very much based on STIs and genitals, it's done, I've evolved. But I remember a woman, an elderly, like an elder woman coming up to me and she was like, you know, obviously a big, like a big holy head on her. And she was like, if you don't mind me saying, the same thing, it always kind of, it's always a shit sandwich if they start with a compliment. And she was like, please, please, please, at your stage in life, she said, just leave Mary out of it. Just leave Mary out. She's like, why are you bringing Mary, just leave her. She was like, I really like your work, but come on now, let's not drag Mary into it. And so that's the same, yeah, I know.

• 4:55Speaker 03

  Well, you did, in fairness, it worked, you left Mary out of it.

• 4:58Speaker 04

  I did.

• 4:59Speaker 03

  This woman would be shocked because Sandra Wilson doesn't own a swimsuit. Sandra Wilson only wears bikinis. So is she gonna go now mail Sandra and tell Sandra to stop wearing bikinis?

• 5:07Speaker 04

  You see, there's always the rule that women in particular, if they feel like they've been pressured to cover up, if they're, if they feel they can't dress a certain way at a certain stage, then they feel like, they're like, if I'm playing by the rules and I'm embarrassed to be in a bikini, in a bikini at 40, then you should also be embarrassed, folks. So I'm just reminding you, you should feel shame, remember? Feel shame and leave Mary out of it.

• 5:29Speaker 03

  Do not, I wouldn't even dare talk about Mary. But the thing about it is, as well, can I just say, like,

• 5:34Speaker 04

  And you've great, and I'll interrupt you there now. You've great bits. God knows I've seen enough of them at this stage to know.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  Great bits.

• 5:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're an eight out of 10 on the bit front.

• 5:45Speaker 03

  They're fully intact, but the thing about it is,

• 5:48Speaker 04

  They are, we see them clearly through your pants.

• 5:50Speaker 03

  I don't love my legs. I've always said I don't love my legs. I don't hate them anymore. But I actually don't mind my stomach. So like, I look better in a bikini because it kind of detracts a bit from the legs. So like, and also, I'll wear whatever I want.

• 6:05Speaker 04

  Exactly, you don't need to justify it.

• 6:09Speaker 03

  And if I wanna wear a thong bikini back to front, I will, because I've great bits.

• 6:13Speaker 04

  The only thing I cannot support an older woman doing is wearing pigtails. Anything else, I'm fine with it. I think an older woman wearing pigtails? Pigtails? Pigta- pigta- pigtails. Oh my god. Is that an English accent? What happened there, Jo?

• 6:29Speaker 03

  Pigtails.

• 6:30Speaker 04

  Pigtails.

• 6:31Speaker 03

  A pigtail.

• 6:32Speaker 04

  I've been on the phone to Rick, my UK agent.

• 6:35Speaker 04

  Pigtails.

• 6:36Speaker 03

  Do you want, you have space buns which are, which are two pigtails buns.

• 6:40Speaker 04

  And you're right, it's on the nose, it's on the nose. And I said to Sue the last time, Sue Brophy does my hair and makeup around, the last time she was pulling them up into space buns, I said, Sue, am I allowed to still do this? And I think she'd won up, so she was like, fuck you, yeah. She's like, I'm not taking it down and starting again.

• 6:55Speaker 03

  Especially with all your hair, it's like now fuck.

• 6:56Speaker 04

  That's it, she's like, you're grand. No, but pigtails on an older woman, they're the only thing I do, I do kind of think, mm, breakdown.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, pigtails not great. Yeah, I agree.

• 7:07Speaker 04

  Do you remember, do you remember I planted that, that white thirsty thirst trap when I was in Cape Town?

• 7:15Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, I really enjoyed that.

• 7:16Speaker 04

  And you could see like.

• 7:16Speaker 03

  It disappeared it for a while and then brought it back because I was upset.

• 7:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. And I remember, like, I, not, no, not, I got it, I got it, not like massively mean or anything, but just kind of like, I was a bit disappointed you've gone down that route, la la la, yeah. I was like, sorry, I had, it's like, just because I'm a comic, doesn't mean I have to be in bits all the time, do you know what I mean?

• 7:37Speaker 03

  And also, I don't know what, I don't know what people think you're, like, I always get that if I get photographed on the beach, it's like, oh, look at her showing off. What do you want me to wear to the beach? Like, do I have to wear a full woolen suit? Or do you mind if I wear a bikini?

• 7:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know. Again, when they're being mean to you, Vogue, they're only being mean to them, well, they're not actually, they're being mean to you, but in, on a deeper level. You know what I mean? It's because they're unhappy with themselves.

• 8:03Speaker 03

  Well, anyway, I found, I found it interesting.

• 8:04Speaker 04

  Why am I not a fucking wellness girl at this point?

• 8:07Speaker 03

  Well, I could point to quite a few reasons why that would be the case.

• 8:11Speaker 04

  But publicly, why am I not? Privately, it's fine.

• 8:15Speaker 03

  Can you imagine, Joanne does a video where she's, where she's making her own almond milk or something, which would just be greedy, it just would be very weird.

• 8:22Speaker 04

  Almond? What's an almond?

• 8:24Speaker 03

  Almond, almond. What do you say?

• 8:27Speaker 04

  Almond!

• 8:29Speaker 03

  Almond.

• 8:29Speaker 04

  The L is silent.

• 8:31Speaker 03

  Sorry, I didn't know you were forgetting about the L. No, in my house, it's not, it's almond milk.

• 8:36Speaker 04

  What do you say? I'm not ganging up on you, but I'd put the L in as well. Almond milk.

• 8:41Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, Joanne is so Parisian, almond milk.

• 8:45Speaker 04

  Well, it's not Parisian, it's basic linguistics. Ask, ask ChatGPT tea there.

• 8:52Speaker 03

  No, stop wasting the water. Everyone's at that ChatGPT shit. You tell me about the water, it's all I can think of. I deleted the app.

• 8:58Speaker 04

  I just asked normal Google. Just ask you, the way not to waste the water is to stop saying thank you to ChatGPT. That saves a good bit of water. Just take your shit, just get your information and run.

• 9:07Speaker 03

  Okay, fine. She's gone for her first sleepover today.

• 9:11Speaker 04

  Oh, did you kick her out?

• 9:12Speaker 03

  No, I was only sending tea because he goes over to my brother's house and they love it. Well, it's, I think I'm gonna have, I know I'll get a call at like seven o'clock to go pick her up because she'll be whinging. But anyway, you have to give them a go.

• 9:23Speaker 04

  Give them a go, you have to. It's the time she's stood on her own little feet. What did it say, Jo? The Americans definitely say almond. Almonds.

• 9:30Speaker 03

  Oh my god, Joanne's gone continental.

• 9:33Speaker 04

  What can I say? I'm, I'm trying to crack America, you know. Gotta get down.

• 9:36Speaker 03

  Do you eat basil?

• 9:38Speaker 04

  I don't eat ba- basils, no. Come here, enough of the, enough of the chit chat.

• 9:45Speaker 04

  I went to see Evita last night.

• 9:48Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, how was it?

• 9:49Speaker 04

  The show that you couldn't go to and, well, when I say, you really missed a trick there. It was phenomenal. Now, it took me, it took me a minute to get into it. The second I sat down, I was like, I wanna leave. Because I realised I was stuck there. You know, you know the way musicals, they always go, they always, you know, they go on for quite a long time.

• 10:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:09Speaker 04

  And there was.

• 10:09Speaker 03

  I'm fifteen, perfect.

• 10:13Speaker 04

  There was, it was, it was a long, long show. But once I kind of got into the swing of it, I was, I, oh, it's, you're one Rachel, what's her face, who kind of tanked Snow White.

• 10:25Speaker 03

  Oh, Rachel Zegler.

• 10:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, because she was very pro Palestinian at the very start. When America, a lot of Americans were still trying to, not Americans, you know, the kind of America-Israel collab as such. And, and Disney obviously has Israeli connections, blah, blah, blah. But anyway, and she kind of, when I say, this woman, the fucking star quality, I've never seen anything like it. The voice on her. She's, she's, she's so beautiful.

• 10:52Speaker 03

  Gorgeous.

• 10:53Speaker 04

  Oh, she's insane. It's insane.

• 10:55Speaker 03

  Now, how long was it? Are you pretending it was long and it was more like the wicked thing when you thought it was an hour and a half long? And it was actually two forty?

• 11:03Speaker 04

  No, no, it was long. Like, it was, it was, do you know what? It was, it, it ended as, it ended when it needed to end, which is my, the biggest compliment I can give to a musical.

• 11:13Speaker 03

  Is it Don't Cry For Me, Argentina? Is that it?

• 11:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:16Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 11:17Speaker 04

  I had to make it happen.

• 11:22Speaker 04

  Oh, it was ju- and then she goes out and does the balcony scene on the balcony in the Palladium. And there's like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people.

• 11:30Speaker 03

  It was in the Palladium?

• 11:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was in the Palladium. And do you know what I said when I was sitting there looking at the Palladium? I said, me and Vogue sold this out a couple of times. It's not fucking mental.

• 11:40Speaker 03

  Did you remember we used to say that to ourselves every time we got, well, no, we used to go on stage in, in what was it called? The Apollo and you'd be like, I did this three times on my own.

• 11:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, I did. Do you know why? Because the start, there was, well, I won't, I actually won't say why on the podcast, but there was a reason why I was doing that. I was asserting authority. I was asserting authority when I thought someone was disrespecting us. That's what I was doing. I was being a mother.

• 12:02Speaker 03

  You were always looking after me. It was good times.

• 12:04Speaker 04

  I was, but I was, I was like, I've been, I've done all this already. All of it's been done. But yeah.

• 12:10Speaker 03

  Come on.

• 12:10Speaker 04

  When she went out and she sang on the balcony, I cried and you know how medicated I am. That's not an easy thing for me to do. Only out my left eye, which then I went home to Google, but apparently it's fine. But I cried heavily out my left eye. Yeah, I know, yeah. I would highly recommend, but it's all sold out. I had to find a ticket and now to get tickets and we paid for them, but I, I, because I'd done the play. I was like, come on, fucking come on, please.

• 12:34Speaker 03

  Well, I'm going to a play, I'm going to a play next week in Dublin called The Weir and Brendan Gleeson's in it.

• 12:39Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 12:39Speaker 03

  And it's meant to be incredible. I think there's some tickets left. I think it's pretty much sold out. It's in the Olympia and I can't wait. I want to start getting back into the play era because I'm not going to scare anyone, but I did get a touch of. Oh god, it's winter. Cause I went, when I was in Edinburgh, I was like, oh, it's winter. But I suppose it's always winter up there. But it just reminded me that winter is coming. So we need to get back into going into venues and stuff. We can't be standing outside in the streets having a drink anymore. Too cold. We'd be doing the Edinburgh Fringe in like Poncha's North, it was raining so heavily.

• 13:09Speaker 04

  But then when the sun comes out, oh, it really makes an effort. Really ma- I love Edinburgh. Fucking, I just, I, well, I was gonna say I'd die for it.

• 13:17Speaker 03

  Do you know my mom used to live there?

• 13:18Speaker 04

  I wouldn't die for it, but I'd weekend there.

• 13:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, my mom used to live there.

• 13:21Speaker 04

  It's enough, I think, to give them. Did she?

• 13:25Speaker 03

  Why did they send me to Aberdeen Uni when they lived in Edinburgh? And there's four unis in Edinburgh. Why didn't I go to uni in Edinburgh?

• 13:30Speaker 04

  Well, you know the way I'm talking about having this gay baby, I'm gonna have a gay baby with my friend Ross. Well, the father will be gay, but I, the baby will be either gay or not gay. I don't, I don't really care. If it's a son, obviously I'd want it to be gay. If it's a girl, I really don't give a shit. Anyway. Obviously, we're thinking about it, talking about it, blah, blah, blah. And I was driving past a really lovely boarding school the other day. And it boards like juniors. And I was like, perfect. I was like, Joanna, you haven't even had the kids. And you're already going to the Uber. Pull in there, I need to do a tour of that boarding school.

• 13:57Speaker 03

  Gotta sign up.

• 13:58Speaker 04

  Taken at three, and it's three years' age.

• 14:03Speaker 04

  I'll see it for a week. It'll go to its gay father until it's three, and it'll go to boarding school. Crap.

• 14:09Speaker 03

  God, this really takes the pressure off me because it's quite full on with three kids. I don't know if I need a gay baby on top of that.

• 14:14Speaker 04

  Not at all. Throw them in the fucking boarding school, I'm on.

• 14:19Speaker 03

  Oh, you won't want to, once, once they're there, you just won't want to. I'm telling you, I don't want mine to go to boarding school, honestly. I'm thinking of losing their mind with how bad it is or something.

• 14:26Speaker 04

  I think, I think once it arrives by airplane from the surrogate in America, I will be, I will be attached.

• 14:32Speaker 03

  Do you know, did you see that AI thing where they're basically creating a woman's womb? And the baby is born.

• 14:38Speaker 04

  Oh, I'd love that.

• 14:40Speaker 03

  I don't know. I don't thi- I think, I think there's nothing wrong. Give it a look, go yourself, give it a lash. Yeah. Even, I vomit the whole way through, I vomit the whole way through. And honestly, it is, if you can do it, I would do it.

• 14:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, we'll see. We don't know, we don't fucking know what the situation is, you know?

• 14:59Speaker 03

  To get a bit of excavation done. I should really go do that again. It's always nice to know.

• 15:03Speaker 04

  Exploratory. I need to be explored.

• 15:06Speaker 03

  I'll go with you. It's a date. It's a date. We'll go. We'll get our eggs checked. Yeah.

• 15:10Speaker 04

  I was doing-

• 15:11Speaker 03

  We've got our vaginas buzzed together. Let's just do all lower area things together.

• 15:16Speaker 04

  I was doing Darren Garry's podcast yesterday, Last of Your Life, and we were talking about you. And she was like, is it annoying that she's so gorgeous? I said, she is, I said, but she's, I said, she's got a very wide gait. And I said, so. I said, Darren, if it makes you feel any better about yourself, it is wide. I said, it's the widest one I've ever seen. And that's always-

• 15:32Speaker 03

  It's not that wide.

• 15:33Speaker 04

  And every time she rocks up full hair, makeup, in a bikini and her abs, I just think, wide gait, wide gait, wide gait, wide gait.

• 15:39Speaker 03

  It's not that wide. I'm telling you, I have, I have looked at it and it's not that wide. I think the only problem I have when I walk is the arms move too much. And I've been told, Shaggy from Scooby Doo, and I really try and control the arms. But if I'm not thinking about them, they're going up to my ears and stuff.

• 15:53Speaker 04

  If you could have, if you could have one piece of my body, if you could swap, is there any piece of my body you would swap?

• 16:00Speaker 03

  Your legs. I'd love your legs. And I wouldn't mind your arms, to be honest with you.

• 16:03Speaker 04

  Really?

• 16:03Speaker 03

  And your boobs.

• 16:06Speaker 03

  And your hair.

• 16:07Speaker 04

  Sure, I have nothing left. You've scared me alive, woman. I said one thing. I'm like potato head, you've taken all the features off of the arms and the legs.

• 16:18Speaker 04

  Bald potato.

• 16:19Speaker 03

  There's not a stuff I've had my eye on.

• 16:23Speaker 03

  I'll take that.

• 17:03Speaker 04

  I think I would take your hands, arse.

• 17:09Speaker 03

  Arse.

• 17:10Speaker 04

  Abs, eyebrows, teeth and lips.

• 17:17Speaker 03

  I got, I'm gonna say it now, I got a lip flip. Because I spoke about it in my book, I got botox, so I got a lip flip. If anyone's ever heard of it, because I've just noticed it kick in and when you said that, your lips. Because I was like, people are gonna think I got loads of filler on my lip. I got a lip flip, which is like botox at the top of your lip. And it makes your lip kind of sit up a bit. And you kind of notice it kicks in when I was trying to drink out of that straw there, it was like.

• 17:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'd run them for you like a fish, yeah.

• 17:40Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 17:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, it looks great when your mouth is just like not moving, but the second you have to put anything in it.

• 17:47Speaker 03

  I know, but I was, when Katrina Ryan tells you to do something, you just say, yeah, go for it.

• 17:50Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 17:51Speaker 03

  She told me to shave my head, you'd look better, I'd say, okay, fine, if that's what you think.

• 17:55Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's one thing I will say about you. I don't think you could pull off a shaved head. And I'm always very, I'm always very honest with you. And I think that's where I don't think.

• 18:08Speaker 03

  It's a bit flat at the back as well. And the neck is too big for a shaved head. Like, my neck is so long, it kind of looks giraffe-like at times.

• 18:16Speaker 05

  There's only one way to find out, I mean, for charity, maybe?

• 18:20Speaker 03

  No, Sharon, no. My hair doesn't grow like Joanne's. Joanne's with, Joanne would shave her hair and one day be back the next.

• 18:26Speaker 04

  Can I, have I talked about, have we, have we given an update on your, well, your, your, your farce of a pumpkin seed tit growth journey? But my actual, real journey of regain, working on my hairline.

• 18:40Speaker 03

  Well, regain is like chemical, like the sunflower seeds were only just a little go. And I actually think they've gotten smaller.

• 18:48Speaker 04

  Remember I went to ask the scalp dermo in the Montrose and she was like, told me to use regain and I, and I've been blasting it on. And when I say actual regrowth, I cannot get over, I, I honestly can't get over that it works. And this is.

• 19:01Speaker 03

  Also, you haven't been dying your hair blonde, so you have to take that into account as well. You dye your hair blonde. Like, my friend does my hair over here and she's like, you can't get your hair dyed. And I was like, why not? I was planning to get it dyed this week. And, and she's like, you can't, it's literally breaking off. Blonde breaks your hair off.

• 19:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, no, it is, it's shit, it's shit crock, yeah.

• 19:21Speaker 03

  Hello, hello ladies and Joe. I've just listened to your bonus pod about the poor woman who was ghosted by her shitbag partner of five and a half years and wanted to share the story of my ex-father-in-law. Did that woman ever get back to us, Joe? No?

• 19:34Speaker 05

  Not yet, but I still believe.

• 19:35Speaker 04

  I believe too. I think if you write once, you write twice.

• 19:39Speaker 05

  She's busy.

• 19:40Speaker 04

  Always a write, once a writer, always a writer.

• 19:42Speaker 03

  But what if she misses it? She might miss the pod and not hear it.

• 19:46Speaker 05

  I mean, I could email her back.

• 19:48Speaker 04

  Sorry, is that your, is that your wife who just messaged?

• 19:50Speaker 05

  That's my, that's my wife on the, yeah.

• 19:51Speaker 04

  I just on the WhatsApp. She did a poo at nursery with three exclamation points.

• 19:54Speaker 05

  That's the thing.

• 19:55Speaker 03

  That's brilliant, but no, not these days.

• 19:58Speaker 04

  You guys.

• 20:01Speaker 03

  In 2007, my then father-in-law-to-be went on a fishing trip with a friend. They are European and this was just off a coast. They resided that he knew well.

• 20:10Speaker 04

  Gay.

• 20:11Speaker 03

  When he didn't return when expected, his wife of 25 years and two sons started to call to try and find out where he was.

• 20:17Speaker 04

  Dead.

• 20:18Speaker 03

  One, two, skip a few. Coastguards were called. Boat found. Body was not. Funeral took place.

• 20:25Speaker 04

  Dead and gay.

• 20:27Speaker 03

  Two, you're really on the gay chat today.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  Two years later, my husband received a text message from someone he hadn't spoken to for a long time to say how nice it was to catch up with his dad on the plane.

• 20:40Speaker 04

  No. No.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  And how they should catch up soon. It's been too long. Needless to say, everyone was very confused how a dead person could be on a plane and very much alive.

• 20:56Speaker 03

  Turns out, after amounting some debt and meeting a new woman, he felt the only way he could start a new life was to fake his own death and leave his wife of 25 years and his sons of 22 and 15 years old behind.

• 21:12Speaker 04

  Oh my, this is huge in Japan, by the way. Go on.

• 21:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I've heard that. Is faking your death the ultimate ghosting? I'll let you decide.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 21:22Speaker 04

  Okay, I'm downloading my thoughts here.

• 21:27Speaker 03

  I mean, I think that is desperate.

• 21:29Speaker 04

  What a gunt, I think. We'll start using gunt instead, Jo, because you don't have to bleep it out.

• 21:34Speaker 03

  Oh, fine.

• 21:35Speaker 04

  What a gunt of a man. Imagine putting your family through that. And do you know what? The money thing, that's a real issue with men in particular. They're always gambling and a lot of them, they unalive themselves because they've got themselves into all sorts of debt and all that stuff. But adding another woman in the mix, it's too much.

• 21:54Speaker 03

  It's too much. You don't get to the bar.

• 21:56Speaker 04

  I can take you killing yourself off for financial reasons, but add romance in. What a gunt.

• 22:02Speaker 03

  Your young kids feeling like they've lost their dad and you're actually alive, just going and living another life. And actually being able to be happy away, living another life, that is just... I've heard stories like this before.

• 22:13Speaker 04

  How do you get away with it, though? Like, there's a lot of talk goes into that. You can't just... It's not that easy to start again. Do you know what I mean?

• 22:21Speaker 03

  I mean, but in Japan, yeah, you can go missing. They have a service where people can actually make you go missing, can make you disappear.

• 22:27Speaker 04

  They work too much in Japan.

• 22:29Speaker 03

  Well, no, they're allowed to have naps during the workday. I told you that.

• 22:31Speaker 04

  I think they just pass out. I don't think that's napping. I think that's just like, oh, if I don't lie down, I'll die thing. Anyway, this is terribly sad because you're like, you've grieved a man already and now you know he's alive. But you're like, you're already dead to me and now you're dead to me again because I know you're a gunt.

• 22:50Speaker 03

  And you felt so... And you were so upset that he lost his life and you actually were so nice about him and went to his funeral, organised a funeral. Do you know how much a funeral costs? Absolutely cost him a bloody fortune.

• 23:00Speaker 04

  I would love to know how many women versus how many men have killed themselves off, put their family through hell and started a relationship with another woman. That's what I would like to know. How many women have done that versus how many men?

• 23:14Speaker 03

  It's 100% men and 0% women, I'd say, sorry.

• 23:17Speaker 04

  I would estimate, and I'm actually going to look into it for the next podcast.

• 23:22Speaker 03

  Are you, though?

• 23:23Speaker 04

  No.

• 23:25Speaker 03

  Well, just stick up for women, that's it.

• 23:27Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's a disgrace.

• 23:30Speaker 03

  That is the ultimate ghosting. I mean, that's a really, that's really bad.

• 23:34Speaker 04

  So I'd say it's not uncommon. I would be like, if my fella died, I'd be like, until I see that gunt's body.

• 23:42Speaker 03

  And I'd be opening up the coffin and the ground as well, just to make sure. I'd be like, I am watching the ground go on top of that coffin.

• 23:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'll set fire to him myself. And then I'd be looking at the book of condolences and any women I didn't, any women I didn't know, I'd be like, who's she? How do you know her? Get him back up. I need to ask him. This is bullshit. Exhumed this lad. Tell him I've been in his DMs and we need to talk outside immediately.

• 24:08Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:09Speaker 04

  They're all out of, do you want to stop? They're not all out of, sorry.

• 24:11Speaker 03

  That's the ultimate ghosting.

• 24:13Speaker 04

  I'm back with the, I'm back seeing a therapist.

• 24:15Speaker 03

  Oh, great. I think that's really good for you. I love that.

• 24:18Speaker 04

  Yeah. So it's, it's very much about trying to be more positive about, um, like, uh, relationship. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm being more positive. So maybe that man had his reasons. Fair play to him.

• 24:32Speaker 03

  I would say, having been through lots of therapy, that I think he is wrong.

• 24:36Speaker 04

  I think he's overfounded, that man. And I, I, I need to be more generous in, in my feedback towards men and their actions. And I, I, maybe that man was overfounded.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  Well, that's it. I always have to say, I always have to end it.

• 24:49Speaker 04

  I know. I'll just keep chatting.

• 24:52Speaker 04

  See, I don't have kids or a husband. I'm completely alone, folks. So I'll just, I've now nothing to do with it.

• 24:57Speaker 03

  You're the least alone person ever. And you have so many people that you hang out with all the time. You have a better life than I do.

• 25:01Speaker 04

  I've no sense of purpose and I have a bad attitude, apparently, according to my therapist. So I have nothing to do but chill.

• 25:05Speaker 03

  He didn't say he had a bad attitude. I don't believe that.

• 25:07Speaker 04

  No, he didn't say the bad attitude. He didn't say the bad attitude.

• 25:10Speaker 03

  I'm still not ever been called controlling, only because I was called out in it.

• 25:14Speaker 04

  He's like, stop being such a gunt. I was like, I'm sorry.

• 25:17Speaker 03

  You're a bloody gunt.

• 25:19Speaker 04

  Vogue, you are controlling.

• 25:21Speaker 03

  In a good way.

• 25:22Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, in a good way. Come on. I'm a good organizer. I'm a good planner.

• 25:27Speaker 04

  You are, you are, you are. I wish I was actually, I wish I was a little bit more controlling, actually. I'm, I'm quite avoidant, which things, and then things build up. Do you know what I mean?

• 25:36Speaker 03

  We, we get on so well, though.

• 25:38Speaker 04

  You're more, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're more like, let's get this done and dusted. Yeah. And you deal with things quite well. And you're a good communicator, I would say.

• 25:46Speaker 03

  Thank you very much. Wow, we're full of the compliments today.

• 25:48Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 25:49Speaker 03

  It's like that you.

• 25:50Speaker 04

  I told you, I'm being more positive.

• 25:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, it's really, it's wow, I feel great about myself. Thank you very much. I had a great time.

• 25:56Speaker 04

  I'm on tour.

• 25:59Speaker 03

  When can I go see you?

• 26:00Speaker 04

  You still come to the Apollos. There's tickets, there's, there's four Apollos sold, there's tickets left for the last Apollo.

• 26:07Speaker 04

  And the rest of them are gone. And, and Clarnia Castle Bar, it's, that's, that's happening this side of Christmas. The Dublin ones this side of Christmas are gone, but Clarnia Castle Bar, there's still tickets for thousands. If anyone cares to put me out of my misery and buy one of those tickets, that'd be fantastic.

• 26:21Speaker 03

  Thanks, everyone.

• 26:22Speaker 04

  Thank you.

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