Has Nara Smith been gaslighting the girlies?!

Joanne's back from Ibiza via Manchester Airport, where she lost the will to live somewhere between Terminal 1 and Terminal 3. Vogue is calling Nara Smith out for gaslighting the girlies, plus Joanne has a Netflix special and is furious that Ray Gun got a documentary first, Noel Edmonds is releasing lobsters into the sea, Brendan chugged a live oyster the size of a child's leg, and there's a special place in hell for women who don't tell other women they've had a facelift. Put that on a tote bag. My Therapist Ghosted Me is a Global Production. Tickets for Joanne's tour Pinotphile are now LIVE: www.joannemcnally.com http://www.joannemcnally.com/ If you’d like to get in touch, you can send an email to [email protected] mailto:[email protected] Please review Global's Privacy Policy: https://global.com/legal/privacy-policy/ For merch, tour dates and more visit: www.mytherapistghostedme.com http://www.mytherapistghostedme.com/ This episode contains explicit language and adult themes that may not be suitable for all listeners.

• 0:02Speaker 00

  This is a global production.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  Sometimes feminism's hard, okay? Sometimes you need to know someone's had a facelift to support them. I'm sorry.

• 0:11Speaker 02

  That was like when I was Googling Julipa because she was such a ride. It made me feel bad about myself. And I was like, is a Julipa before and after? And they were just the same.

• 0:21Speaker 01

  Bumbleholly Smith, Slimmy Z Smith, Phony Golden Smith, Whimsy Lou Smith, scratch cooking videos. And I'm sorry, that's what she does.

• 0:35Speaker 01

  What a stunning pre-pod pep talk from Imo. For our listeners, Imo just said, right, let's record this shite.

• 0:44Speaker 02

  I get it. I get it.

• 0:48Speaker 01

  Imo slowly isn't the will to live. Where's Joe, by the way? Does anyone know where he is?

• 0:53Speaker 02

  Where's Jewa Joe? Is what I, yeah.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  Jewa Joe.

• 0:57Speaker 02

  Jewa Joe is away again.

• 0:59Speaker 01

  Julipa Atiwell, he's away again.

• 1:02Speaker 02

  Hello and welcome to my therapist hosted me with me, Vogue Williams and Joanne McNally, who's no longer in Ibiza.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm recording this shite from.

• 1:16Speaker 01

  She even did, she even did the Irish accent on shite.

• 1:22Speaker 01

  So I am, I have left the island of Ibiza. I have travelled back. People were like, are you still there? I was like, yeah, it's a classic two week holiday.

• 1:32Speaker 02

  Two weeks is too long. People don't like two weeks.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  And I, two weeks is too long in Ibiza, really. Ibiza is a kind of a, it's a grab and go of crack. Do you know what I mean? You go in, but because I was actually.

• 1:42Speaker 02

  You did quite well for two weeks, let's be honest.

• 1:44Speaker 01

  Well, I genuinely now, I feel tired now today. I, I, I'm wearing the sunglasses. I don't know how this, this is one of those days you'd rather not be on camera. But look, I'm a pro and I'm here.

• 1:53Speaker 02

  I think you look amazing, like you're from the Matrix. That's what I.

• 1:57Speaker 01

  I look like someone from the fifth element because the top is quite sci-fi and the glasses, I'm obviously trying to cover my teeny tiny piss hole eyes. But because I was quite, I was quite reserved, like it was just a lot of the time, especially when Brendan came, we were just having like, I was having a couple of glasses of wine at lunch and that was kind of, at one, Vogue, you would have loved it. At one point, me and Brendan were on the beach talking shit and he's like, I'm really tired. I was like, so am I. And I looked at my phone, I said, Brendan, we cannot go to bed. It's seven o'clock in the evening. We cannot go to bed at seven.

• 2:28Speaker 02

  You can go to bed at seven. That's the best time to go to bed.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  I forced him to wait up until half nine and then I was like, all right, go on, you can go to bed now.

• 2:36Speaker 02

  When the sun's still up and you get into bed, oh, I leave the curtain open.

• 2:40Speaker 01

  I don't care. You're supposed to be like flailing around like a wet fish in the car park of Universal, licking the curb, not, not just, not just doing your skincare routine and reading your novella.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Reading my book with the window open, knowing I'm the first to bed. I'm like.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  That's my high.

• 2:59Speaker 01

  Aroused by the smugness of it all. Yeah.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  I know. So it was, it was, it was, it was quite a calm trip, but I do feel a little tired. But the plane home, the airport home from Ibiza, now it's not as bad as it was.

• 3:12Speaker 02

  Spectacular. It's like Disneyland. I had a great time there.

• 3:15Speaker 01

  There was a lot of, there was a lot of runny noses on the plane home, I would say.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  I love all the people falling asleep in the airport. Like there was one guy and he was just like flat out on the ground, nothing underneath him, just lying on the ground. And then I threw something at Amber because she was standing beside the bin, which was beside the man, and it landed beside him and he didn't even wake up. We couldn't pick it up just in case. And then just watching everyone fall asleep, I just love that. And I was smug, obviously, because I had been in bed at 11 o'clock.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course. It's, it's Burger King does a great business.

• 3:45Speaker 02

  11 o'clock, 7 o'clock.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  2pm.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  She's like.

• 3:49Speaker 02

  The drug dealer, the drug dealer ITech sends me a list of books. These are actually really popular this summer.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  Restaurant recommendations, stuff like that. Yeah. Ibiza airport, it's mostly, the departure is mostly just zombies eating Burger King. Do you know what I was saying? Imo, you could tell me this, as you are a British white person.

• 4:13Speaker 02

  Is she?

• 4:14Speaker 01

  Is she? Are you, Imo?

• 4:15Speaker 02

  We, we, do you know how many years I spent thinking Imo was from Australia? Our group is called Imo is Australian. Yeah. When she told me she wasn't Australian, I was like, sorry? This whole time, for years, I thought she was Australian.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  That's how involved Vogue is with the, with the crew. And the blonde Aussie one, what's her name? Well, to be fair, actually, you do have a sunny vibe, not obviously in what you say, but how you look.

• 4:45Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  You do. Doesn't she have a sunny look?

• 4:48Speaker 02

  She does have a sunny vibe and she has got a sunny personality when she's not recording this shite.

• 4:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah. When she's free to live her own life.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  But I would say, white British people, I wonder if it's okay to say, well, it's happening. It's coming out of my mouth. English, white, white British people go a level of brown that I don't see in white Irish people. So when I was in the airport, I was mesmerized by the mahogany skin. Like Irish whites, we don't go that dark. There's definitely some genetic thing going on there. Like there was a girl, it was a girl, and I was so jealous. I fried myself. Look at me. I'm whiter than when I went. Look at this. Look at that.

• 5:39Speaker 02

  There is literally not an ounce of colour.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  I don't even have a tan line and like, I went down to the, and like, look, I'm like, you know, tan responsibly, blah, blah, blah. But like, I was down in the oils. I, I was really going for it. And at one point I was like, oh, I think I'm burning. And I was real happy about it. I was like, there's, there's heating that back there now. There's heating that back. And obviously Brendan doesn't want to touch me, so I couldn't get him to put any, any P20 on my back.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  As a gay man, obviously, my, my skin.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  I can't bear touching people's backs and I never.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  It is very intimate.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  I never ask anyone to do my back just in, in case they ask me to return the favour. I'm like, I'd rather scald, I will scald my back. Speny goes.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  It is intimate. He does, yeah, and he's British white. He's white Brit.

• 6:23Speaker 02

  He's a white Brit and some people, he put up this post and some people were like, oh my God, what bear by Vogue are you using? I was like, not bear by Vogue. Actually, I don't want to be associated with that. That's not the colour we use.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  It's, it's, but it is, there is something, something different in you, Imo. Something, it must be your Aussie, your Aussie background.

• 6:44Speaker 02

  Imo's a ghost. My father is a Joanne, so I don't, I don't tan that well. What was that?

• 6:52Speaker 01

  Busy. Look at you.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  What was that, what was that girl who was on a, who was doing a call with this woman who talks of ghosts and she's, talks about the child in the background?

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 7:02Speaker 02

  There's a ghost behind you. Imo's a ghost.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  Because there was, there was a spirit behind you.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  It's so funny. And the daughter is like, that's very rude.

• 7:16Speaker 02

  She looks like a ghost.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  I forgot about that. So funny.

• 7:28Speaker 01

  The most exciting part of my Ibiza trip was also a very special thank you to the Hyde Hotel.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  For putting up with you.

• 7:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:37Speaker 02

  I need to do, did you stick to your own bedroom this time?

• 7:41Speaker 01

  I just spread my business around, as you know, test all the rooms.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  Do you want to let yourself into a suite? Oh, is this not my room? How did I not know?

• 7:49Speaker 01

  They were very, they were very nice to us. It wasn't, it wasn't a hashtag gifted situation, but they were very sad. So just to say.

• 7:55Speaker 02

  What I liked about that hotel is it was like the one that I stayed in Ibiza. It's like you can go out and have the crack, but you can also like, you can sleep and relax.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  Bedtime.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:05Speaker 01

  The most interesting thing to happen in Ibiza really was I watched Brendan Courtney eat an oyster the size of a child's leg.

• 8:14Speaker 01

  We were in a restaurant, living our lives, and someone, a woman comes around to the table. She's wearing like a chain mail glove. And she's like, do you want me to like, do you want to shuck an oyster? Kind of vibes like, and she shucks it out. So he was like, yeah, I, I'm not into, I like to chew my food like an adult. I don't like this chugging.

• 8:32Speaker 02

  You can give it a little chew, a little chew.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  Why don't people chew? What is this? Why, why are people chugging? Why can't you chew an oyster?

• 8:39Speaker 02

  You do, you do, you do a little chew, but you don't like chew it to mush because it would, it would get too seafoody or something.

• 8:46Speaker 01

  Well, what's the point of them then?

• 8:48Speaker 02

  Listen, I went through, I, I took up oysters when, late in life.

• 8:52Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 8:53Speaker 02

  I took oysters about three years ago and I loved oysters. And for about six months, all I wanted to eat was a bloody oyster. Then I went skiing and they had oysters on the menu and I thought, you know what? I'll have oysters because I love them, forgetting I was 10,000 years away from the sea.

• 9:08Speaker 02

  I got such bad food poisoning that I could never, ever eat an oyster again.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's fair. And they are the food of the past. Now, that's not, that's nothing against you. I know you're salt of the earth. You're Vogue from the block, but I.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  Apparently they used to be a real working class food and then the posh people got their little paws on them and now they're delivered in this kind of like really fancy.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  I know, I loved, I loved being fancy. Now all I eat is caviar, you know?

• 9:35Speaker 01

  Oh God, slumming it. What is caviar? They're eggs, aren't they?

• 9:40Speaker 02

  Fish, fish eggs. They just taste like salt.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  I mean, honestly, the less you know about your food, the better. Peta, don't come for me.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  Who was I looking at? And she was talking about Miranda Kerr. And now she is absolutely beautiful, but like she was talking to somebody, I'm really sure it was about, it was caller daddy. And she was like, no, it was Morgan Stewart was interviewing her. And she was like, well, what do you eat? And she's like, well, I don't eat sushi. Oh God, no sushi parasites. I don't eat kale because like, it's not good for you. I don't eat this spinach because it's not good for you. I'm like, what do you eat? Like, there's nothing left.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, I don't think both, I don't think it's one or the other. I think a woman can enjoy a dib dab and look good, you know? Also, if I've got a parasite at this stage, I'm 43, I'm, frankly, I enjoy the company. If I have one in me, I'm not gonna get rid of it. I love animals. I'm an animal lover. Stay in there. Do you know what I mean? Stay in there. Like, what's the, you know what I mean? You know, I watch these TikTok videos where people pulling worms out of women's arses. I'm like, I just don't believe it. I'm not buying it. Fake news. Anyway.

• 10:47Speaker 02

  It does, it does happen, tapeworms, and they're very long. I've seen them coming out of our arses.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I started, I started Googling oysters, because I was like, what's the crack? Because Brendan didn't feel good. Okay. And there was definitely a bit of a flex. He felt the pressure. She whipped out an absolutely huge one. I was like, chug, chug. So he did. And then for the rest of the day, he said he could feel it like moving inside him. And then we were trying to figure out, does it have a brain? And then, so they're, Isaac, have you just chugged an animal? Like, what?

• 11:18Speaker 02

  A live animal.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  A live animal. So they are alive, but they're not sentient. But they are alive. Like, I don't know, I'm not, I'm not suggesting you can keep them as a pet. I just mean.

• 11:29Speaker 02

  To have it going around. Well, but people do eat live things. I once had to eat alive worms on Bear Grylls. You wouldn't be allowed to do that now. But they were live worms. And then I kind of just swallowed them because they tasted so bad. And then he was like, did you not chew them? And I was like, no, was I meant to chew them? Or are they just gonna wriggle around in my body forever?

• 11:46Speaker 01

  Why can't you eat worms anymore? Have they unionized? I missed all that.

• 11:50Speaker 02

  I don't know. I just don't think you're allowed to eat animals on TV anymore.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, not live ones, probably. Yeah. I mean, there's something off about. Anyway, then I kind of went down a whole oyster hole. And then Vogue was telling about Noel Edmonds releasing two lobsters back into the sea. And everyone's going mad. But actually, he's at, we're saying, fair play to you, Neil. They were like, yeah, of course, they're probably gonna die immediately. But like, they were gonna die anyway. And we appreciate the sentiment.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  And the thought was there. Did you ever see those releasing videos? Somebody was releasing, I can't remember, it was a tiny fish, back into the sea that they'd saved. And the fish like swam for about four seconds and then it got eaten by a bird.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  Oh no. They mean well. They mean well.

• 12:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, the kindness is there. And that's what Noel Edmonds is up to these days. I did wonder, where has he gone? What's he doing? Neil's nemesis. Neil can't bear them. I don't know why. They look the same, but just can't bear Noel Edmonds. I must send him the story.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  He'll, he'll, he'll get a great kick out of that now. He said, Noel is enjoying a very, what seems to be a wholesome retirement on the Isle of Man with his wife. They seem to be very happy. They're just knocking around the place, kind of fucking breaking out animals and releasing them into the wild. Do you remember he was always, do you remember, do you remember he started the radio show for the, for the pets, radio station on some sort of psychic phone line for your dogs? So there's always been a touch of that, touch of that.

• 13:14Speaker 02

  Touch of niceness.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  That kindness. Yeah. Anyway, we digress. Who are you interviewing?

• 13:20Speaker 02

  No, hang on. I want to know why you're in Manchester first.

• 13:22Speaker 01

  Well, I couldn't get a direct flight back from Ibiza to Dublin, where I'm going back to do some work. And so I got a connecting flight. But it was one of those connecting flights that you have to connect yourself.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  Instead of getting like, instead of getting kind of messed, you know, and they're like, connecting flight, and they shimmy you in like, one of those little airport trucks and all your bags go with, this was a more, oh, I have to get my own bags and all. And of course, because I was in charge of it myself, I missed the connecting flight.

• 13:56Speaker 02

  Oh no.

• 13:58Speaker 01

  Sorry. Also, do you know it takes 25 minutes to get from Terminal One to Terminal Three in Manchester Airport? I did not.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  Well, if, do you know what? If I was flying through Manchester Airport, I probably would have known that, yes. And I would, I would be in Dublin. I'd be in Pat's house now. And look at you.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  You will be, you will be. I was used to do a voiceover there this morning and all of it. It's, it's, people aren't pleased with me. But I was like, where's my emergency truck? I was like, I'm gonna have to get an Uber to the next terminal.

• 14:26Speaker 02

  People aren't pleased with me. She's pulled with Joanne.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  I did. Now, do you know what? I held my shit together till the very last day. And then, yeah, some stuff started to kind of fall to the wayside.

• 14:38Speaker 02

  With five minutes before and you're like, whoa, it's weird. I can't get back to Ireland.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  But they sold, it was sold to me as something possible.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  You're someone that wouldn't really care that like, that's happened. I'd have an, like, I would have a canary. Isn't that what they say? I'd have a canary.

• 14:58Speaker 01

  You people relying on you. No, you people relying, no one cares if I live or die.

• 15:02Speaker 02

  Well, you had people relying on you for a voiceover.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  That's professional reliance. That's totally different.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  Remember we were in Dubai? We got to Dubai and like, we were, we were flying home after we did ghosted out there. And like, they were like, sorry, you're actually not booked on the plane. And Joanne was like, but like, I am booked on the plane. They're like, yeah, we've overbooked it. And she was like, okay. And I was like, okay. Okay. I would have, I'd die. And then only something happened. Someone didn't show up and she was led on. I was like, you were really cool about that.

• 15:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't care. I know. It's the, it's, it's, like I say, there's a certain, there's a certain freedom to being a single person, freedom forward slash loneliness forward slash freedom again. And my, my feelings change on it hour to hour. But I was halfway through Manchester Airport on this pilgrimage to the Terminal Three. And I literally just, I just lost the will to live. I just sat down. I was like, fuck this.

• 15:57Speaker 02

  Too much after Ibiza.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  It's too much after Ibiza. I have two suitcases, two carry-ons. Because I was gonna do the photo shoot out there.

• 16:05Speaker 02

  Two suitcases?

• 16:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  Fucking hell.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  Anyway, that's why I'm in Manchester. And when I say the accent.

• 16:14Speaker 02

  I know, the accent is delicious, isn't it?

• 16:16Speaker 01

  Very good. Very good. Had all those lads on the plane back not been 18 and on drugs.

• 16:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, were they, was it a while? Was it a Ryanair flight home?

• 16:25Speaker 01

  I would have been winking Mcwinking. However, they were way too young and high. So I left it.

• 16:31Speaker 02

  Were they still high or not asleep?

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Well, there was, there was definitely, there was a mix of the two, I'd say.

• 16:37Speaker 02

  Oh my God, that's what I'm.

• 16:38Speaker 01

  It's like a death plane. It's kind of like, it's a, it's a plane of two tails.

• 16:43Speaker 02

  It's like Lost, the show Lost. You're just kind of in this weird vortex.

• 16:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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• 17:54Speaker 01

  Speaking of weird vortex.

• 17:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:59Speaker 01

  I wanted to talk about yesteryear.

• 18:03Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  And then we want to talk about Narith Smith.

• 18:07Speaker 02

  Not just Narith Smith, the whole trad wife.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  Exactly. And her husband, Lucky Smith. Where do we start?

• 18:16Speaker 02

  Lucky's a good name. Lucky's a ride.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  Apparently they all, it's very common for Mormons to give themselves, to give their kids like really whimsical names. It's like a whole thing. Also.

• 18:26Speaker 02

  One of her kids is called Whimsy Woo or something.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  Swimsy, I think she's, one of her kids has just, no, has just gotten the all clear from cancer. I think that's whimsical. Rumble, I have her kids' names here. Rumble Honey Smith, Slim Easy Smith, Phony Golden Smith, Whimsy Lou Smith, Scratch Cooking Videos. And I'm sorry, that's what she does.

• 18:47Speaker 02

  The god for scratch cooking. They didn't do very well out of the name game. I love those names. All of those names are cool. Honey Boo Boo.

• 18:55Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, Vogue, these are making your child's potential name look boring by comparison.

• 19:01Speaker 02

  I should write, when I, when I announced the birth of our child, I should put it in the caption. Nara Smith's children are called blah, blah, blah. So I, I thought about using it as inspiration, but then I decided to go with plain old.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  Scratch cooking.

• 19:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. So you finished Yesteryear. It got a lot towards the end.

• 19:23Speaker 01

  I was about to say, trigger warning, not trigger warning, spoiler alert.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  Spoiler alert, yeah.

• 19:27Speaker 01

  We are going to talk about Yesteryear.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 19:29Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna say the end, and I have 30 minutes left in my audio.

• 19:34Speaker 02

  You had 30 minutes left last week.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  No, 47.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 19:39Speaker 01

  I think I had an air in town.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  But also, because I'm doing this audibly, I do, I tend to rewind a lot of stuff because I'm obviously, you know, I get distracted by like just seeing things.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  That's why I can't listen. Yeah, I can't listen to audio at all. I'm like, oh God, I've done the Christmas shopping in my head and I don't know what's happening in the book. Yeah.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  Exactly. So there has, and also because Yesteryear gets so insane at the end, I'm genuinely be like, what? And then I'm, I'm like, scratch it back. 30 seconds, 30 seconds, 30 seconds. And you have read it, haven't you?

• 20:10Speaker 02

  I've read the whole thing and I, like, I, I was, I, it was very confusing and I did, I actually even from reading it, I did go back a few pages. I was like, what have I missed here? But there's nothing that you missed. It is a good, it is a good book. It is worth a read.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  It is actually, because remember we both, there was one point where we were both a bit disenchanted with it. And then I've actually come back around to it now completely. And like, I do feel like there's a lot to be said for, if you, if you keep going back to listen or to read something, you're obviously enjoying it. Do you know what I mean? Like you are, like, you know, there's like, I give up on stuff all the time. But the end, someone messaged me and she was like, the end is so insane. Because I thought I was, I felt like I was on fentanyl when I was trying to make sense of the end. It hits a point where you're like, I hear, what the hell?

• 20:52Speaker 02

  I know. Yeah. Well, but that's what makes it so, you'll never in a million years guess the ending, not in a bazillion years. But there is a woman, there is a trad wife that's like that. But anyway, Nara Smith went on the Call Her Daddy podcast.

• 21:07Speaker 01

  She did. Now, she's been on a few podcasts. For anyone living under a rock, will we explain who Nara Smith is?

• 21:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  Nara Smith is a, she's, she's only, she's only 24 years of age.

• 21:19Speaker 02

  She, well, she's 25, but she has four children.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  At 25. Do you know what I was saying to, to, to Jamie Thigston, who I'm doing the radio show with at the moment the other day? I was like, there is no, and I, this is no shade to anyone who wants to have kids young, but for me, I just honestly, I, I just wouldn't have been able for us.

• 21:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  I think you have to, it's just so full on how she's done all that. She really obviously has her shit together.

• 21:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I think she's spoken about this as well. So she, she, she's a huge TikToker, basically. She's one of the biggest content creators online. She's married to a guy, Lucky Smith, who is, was a giant supermodel, like was kind of front page of GQ magazine.

• 21:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, he still is.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  I don't know if he's as big as he was. I think she's now, she's the star.

• 22:03Speaker 02

  She's the star. I'd say she's the main breadwinner, but he is going out and about and do, like, he models for Kevin Kline and, uh,

• 22:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:11Speaker 02

  and Ralph Lauren and like he's, and he's gorgeous. But he, so he was a Mormon or he is a Mormon.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  He is a Mormon. The two of them are freakishly attractive. Like, they're like, especially now, she's like freakishly hot. And it seems to be all natural as far as I, as far as I'm aware.

• 22:28Speaker 02

  Don't know if, I don't know if it is natural. Emo, you'll have to check me there. And you know, he is, I don't care if it is or not. She still looks great, but I just, I'm, I'm unsure if it is all natural.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:40Speaker 02

  But maybe I'm, I'm sure, I'm sure, I know.

• 22:43Speaker 01

  Spoofers in the world.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  Well, that was like when I was Googling Dua Lipa because she was such a ride. It made me feel bad about myself. And I was like, is a Dua Lipa before and after? And they were just the same. I was like,

• 22:55Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 22:57Speaker 01

  Feminism's not, sometimes feminism's hard, okay? Sometimes you need to know someone's had a facelift to support them. I'm sorry. It's just the way it is.

• 23:06Speaker 02

  Makes you feel better about yourself.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. I can't be progressive all the time. There's a special place in hell for women who don't tell other women they've had a facelift. Put that in a tote bag, Emo.

• 23:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, a hundred. Well, no, I was, I was like that about the old botox for a while. So I'm glad that I've.

• 23:22Speaker 01

  You were. You were.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  I mean, it was so obvious. She couldn't miss, look, look, say to me now, I've never, ever seen such movements. It's terrifying. I look like, I feel like I look like my brother now.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Which one?

• 23:34Speaker 02

  Frederick.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  You don't look like, sorry, I shouldn't even ask which one. You don't look like either of them. If you said Al's, I would be like, yeah, actually, yeah.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. Emo, anything? Maybe I'm wrong.

• 23:44Speaker 04

  Hmm. Google's AI overview says that she has not confirmed any plastic surgery or cosmetic procedures.

• 23:51Speaker 01

  She, they're both supermodels. They met at some runway party fashion, like champagne event, whatever, some Gucci thing years ago. And he is very traditional. So she's basically been, what we're saying is cosplaying that kind of trad wife culture online where she does these, like I've written down here, scratch cooking videos. And it's this kind of ASMR voice. It's like this, like my husband said this morning.

• 24:15Speaker 02

  She's wearing like a Scapparelli gown and like these clothes that are like 15 grand.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  So I made chewing gum from scratch. It's this, my children said they wanted scones. So I, you know, built a beehive to make honey. Like it's all that shit, right? And so, I mean.

• 24:31Speaker 02

  I once saw a girl make paper because she said her kids wanted just a bra.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  That can't be real. That's not real.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  I swear to God, she made paper and colors. And I'm like, go to the shop. Come on. This is time wasting here.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  That's ridiculous.

• 24:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:45Speaker 01

  I mean, look, it's, a lot of it's sometimes, it's clickbaity. And like, I mean, that's rage bait now, to be fair, to any mother trying to keep her shit together.

• 24:50Speaker 02

  If you sit and watch Nara's, have you, remember that Christmas, I was texting you and you were trying to ring me and I was like, I actually can't answer. I was so deep into watching Nara Smith that I couldn't stop and I didn't want to lose my place on her Instagram. It is so, it's so engaging to watch.

• 25:05Speaker 01

  That was your, that was your annual, that was your annual call for me, Vogue, and you didn't answer it.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  I can't, Joanne, I'll lose my spot.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  You won't be getting one again now. Lose my spot. I have to say, and I know people, she's hugely popular. She's got millions of followers. I do find it annoying. And I, I, I find the voice, I find that affected intentionally. I find, I find the voice irritating. She's more like a Disney princess with a KitchenAid sponsorship.

• 25:35Speaker 02

  It kind of makes me feel like I'm poisoning my family, if I'm honest, because she goes on about when she's cooking all this stuff from scratch. And I'm like, oh God, I'm just, I'm just nowhere near that.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  It's a, it's a, it's a trad wife cosplay.

• 25:48Speaker 02

  Didn't you tell me she cooks for 12 hours a day? And it's just like, so she's essentially filming for 12 hours a day. But like, the thing about it is, she, like, I look at the stuff that she's doing and she's on a farm and she's going out like collecting all these veg and stuff.

• 26:01Speaker 01

  It's idyllic.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  You kind of forget that behind that, she's not really, she's just flinging the veg aside and just walking back in. Someone else is bringing that veg in.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  It's fake news. It's kind of, it, yeah. And I think that's why women are annoyed now with the whole thing because the, you're monetizing a, like a kind of a female oppression really, or you're, you're presenting it as kind of this idyllic wholesome lifestyle, but really behind the scenes, that's not the situation at all. Anyway, the tide has turned. The trad, I think it's actually also connected to the Yesteryear thing. I said, I'm like, why is she suddenly on Call Her Daddy? And she, she has done pods in the past, but people are saying, she's like, what do you mean? I'm a trad, I never said I was a trad. You projected that on me. It's like, ah, come on now, Nara. If it looks like a tree and smells like a tree, it's a tree. You knew what you were doing. And now it's fallen out of favour.

• 26:48Speaker 02

  And I just think when you're kind of, it, it's like, it's, it's selling a life to these women that are following it and actually not being truthful about it because behind the scenes you are making a lot of money and you are working. Do you know what I saw in the paper the other day? I saw, remember I was doing my little trad wife thing where I would pretend to do little recipes, but like, I'm, I'm, I, I, listen, I'm known Nara Smith. And so I was just cooking normal things. And I saw this thing and it was like.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  It's just like waffles and all, like beans on toast.

• 27:15Speaker 02

  The worst celebrity chefs. And it was me and Brooklyn Beckham.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  You're joking me?

• 27:24Speaker 02

  And I was taken down from my cleanliness. So they were like, she's touching the chicken and then touching other stuff. I was like, oh God.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Where was this?

• 27:36Speaker 02

  It was in the Daily Mail, obviously.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  Oh my God, of course. I'm obsessed with you. You should just call it the Daily Vogue and be done with us.

• 27:45Speaker 02

  Pregnant Vogue Williams, pregnant.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  Pregnant Vogue Williams. Those videos, you were clearly like, that, that wasn't a serious, that wasn't a serious.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  There might have been contamination going on. I don't know.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, there might have been a couple of deaths. Come on, come on, you know?

• 28:00Speaker 02

  It was a stomach bug. It wasn't me.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  I like to think I'm, I like to not know if I'm gonna survive one of your meals, Vogue. It's thrilling.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  Like you can talk. I went into Joanne's kitchen, which is downstairs and her room is on the top floor. And I was like, Joanne, there's, there's eggs frying here. And she's like, yeah, they're crying. Just leave them.

• 28:21Speaker 02

  Are you sure?

• 28:23Speaker 01

  That's how I cook omelettes.

• 28:25Speaker 02

  You just fuck off out of the kitchen and go upstairs. And they can fend for themselves.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  They're not going to fry any quicker when I'm watching them.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  I leave them to do their own thing. I give them their own privacy and I go off and I do my bits and I come back and they're ready. And then I spend two years trying to clean the pan. Standard. But the Nara Smith thing, I think what is interesting about it, and I think the reason the internet's having such a strong reaction to it is you were selling, you were selling a certain, you were selling trad whiffy. And now it's fallen out of favour and you're denying and you're kind of gaslighting us a little bit, Nara, and I like you. I like you, prefer your real voice, but you're kind of gaslighting the girl I was now by saying, you're just projecting stuff onto me. Come on now. By the, like, if you did the math and everything she was preparing, she would have been 48 hours a day in the kitchen. It's, it's.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  And yes, I get it. Sometimes I'm like, it's kind of just installation art almost because she is wearing these like couture outfits and stuff. But I do think you're better off and you go, do you know what? Yeah, it was a bit, it was a bit trad wifey because that was kind of a hot thing at the time. She's, she's in the Mormon community. He's a Mormon. Mormons are traditional. And they do cash. That has been proven to me. Someone confirmed that for me. So I, I am obviously myself, I'm going to be in Salt Lake City on October 8th. Tickets available. Lots of them.

• 29:47Speaker 01

  I am willing to trad it up if you want me to. I'll bring my air fryer. Someone else's baby in a rolling pin.

• 29:55Speaker 02

  She'll put the eggs on in London and fly to Salt Lake City.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Our friend Dan, our friend Dan lives in New York and he sent me this thing and it's a sign outside a shop. And it's like, come in, it's like ketamine therapy. So in New York, you can literally just walk in somewhere and you can do cash therapy. So it is a thing over there.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, big time. Like Mormons, so and Nara doesn't do this either. They don't drink coffee.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  What?

• 30:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. So it's, it's like, yeah, but Lucky's family are all, they're big, they're heavily involved in the Mormon church and the community. And now it's been seen reading the Mormon book. And I think that is why they end up getting married so young and they have kids at 18. They are living a more slightly traditional life. I know, it's, what it was like, they are doing things quite speedily and it is, they are, I would call it quite a traditional life. But like, whatever, like it's none of my business. They can do what they want. But when she's, when she denied selling the kind of trad wife aesthetic. I was like, that's just bullshit now, Nara. Come on. She's making her money.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  Turning their backs on it now, are they?

• 30:58Speaker 01

  I think so, yeah. I think it's falling out of favour now because.

• 31:02Speaker 02

  Because it's just.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  I think it's, we see it as the facade that it is, do you know what I mean? And the problem with trad wifing, the actual trad wifing is women have no power, no money, they can't, they have no autonomy in the marriage. And it's kind of, it's incredibly toxic. But like, when Nara Smith's selling it as a, as a kind of a couture experience, it becomes more appealing, but it's not real. It's not real. But no, I don't think I'm the internet, I guess.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  I think if you're a woman, go out there and do what you want. Have a job or stay at home, whatever you choose to do.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  Did you hear the news about Raygun? Well, you did because you actually sent it.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  Sorry. Only, Raygun has a Netflix documentary about her and Netflix are very lucky. They finally gave me a special.

• 31:48Speaker 02

  Yes, I'm sorry. Can we have a moment for that? Juan McNally has a special on Netflix.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, Penelope's going, it's going to Netflix. I know. It's very, I'm very excited and I don't really. I'm not particularly sentimental and I wouldn't be full of feeling about things.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  Netflix was always one of your things that you really wanted to achieve.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  Big time. It was. It was kind of the goal. I'm a bit, I'm a bit troubled now. I'm like, I don't know. I'll have to go back to the drawing board now.

• 32:16Speaker 02

  She's going to switch careers up again. She's going to go back into PR if anyone needs some public relations.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  I've always wanted to be a nurse. Go back to nursing now. But, but like I say, Netflix, they're very lucky. They finally cracked. I did have to go to LA and doorstep them to get it. But anyway, it's not the point. That, because if I knew that Raygun had a documentary on Netflix and I was still here with my little fists out like Oliver Twist. Please sir, can I have some more? I would have been absolutely fuming.

• 32:48Speaker 02

  What's Raygun's documentary?

• 32:50Speaker 01

  God love her. Like, I don't know. If I Google it there, is she, is it? Is she, it's like the story that won't die. It's like, do you know the way we've all had kind of embarrassing moments in our lives? And there's a lot of talk at the moment about how like everything worth having is on the other side of cringe and how you kind of push through that feeling. And I do believe that. Like, I think calling someone cringe, it's like, it's, it's, it's not really a great slag, really. You're just kind of saying that you, you've more, or you're a bit, kind of, what would I say? You're maybe a bit envious that they have the balls to do something you don't have the balls to do. Like, I don't think it's a fair criticism, however, we all do it. But this woman, imagine having an experience that humiliating.

• 33:31Speaker 01

  And the story will not die. It just won't die. Like, how do you cope?

• 33:38Speaker 02

  I think it's, I don't know. Like, did she definitely not know that she was that bad?

• 33:45Speaker 01

  I, the woman has taken breakdancing off the Olympic itinerary.

• 33:53Speaker 02

  I mean, it's just, and it wasn't her fault at the end of the day. Who else like tried to join from Australia? It's a very big country. I think, I was talking about the story that her brother has been done for some kind of crypto crime, hasn't he?

• 34:06Speaker 01

  Oh God, I'd say she, I'd say she begged him to do that.

• 34:09Speaker 02

  Just please take the heat off me.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  Please God, take the fall, will you? Yeah. Crypto. Like, no one cares about it. Do something crypto-ish. I want to know, is she involved in the documentary or is this kind of, is this going to be another kind of like Tyra Banks in America's Next Top Model documentary? Where they kind of annihilate her? Or is she in on it? Are they going to be saying to her what's going to happen?

• 34:30Speaker 04

  This is Untold Raygun, Breaking Badly, takes viewers inside the rise, fall and reinvention of polarizing figure Rachel Raygun Gunn.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Raygun Gunn? It's a double barrel?

• 34:43Speaker 04

  Raygun Gunn. Raygun in British comments.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  Gunn. What's the?

• 34:48Speaker 04

  Gunn.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  What's the?

• 34:51Speaker 02

  Good title.

• 34:51Speaker 04

  It's Rachel Gunn, Raygun.

• 34:56Speaker 02

  I thought her name was Raygun. Rachel Gunn is her name.

• 34:59Speaker 04

  Her name is Rachel Gunn and therefore they shortened it to Raygun.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:03Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  So.

• 35:07Speaker 02

  Listen, I wasn't here to talk about her Netflix documentary. I was here to talk about her brother going to prison for 12 months for crypto crimes.

• 35:14Speaker 02

  But this is much more interesting.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  Well, because I did wonder, because like I say, I think if it's, if it's, I would, I think for her, if I was her publicist, because I am an ex-publicist. I would be like, this is your time to kind of take back the narrative and explain your situation and get people kind of on your side and stop kind of annihilating you. So I really hope that she is heavily involved in this and that it's a passion piece. Rather than another takedown, do you know what I mean?

• 35:43Speaker 02

  I don't think it would be another takedown because that would just be cruel. I just.

• 35:48Speaker 02

  But I, I heard they were making something on that Willy Wonka thing as well. You know, the thing that they had up in Glasgow, the Willy Wonka experience that never was.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  Oh, that'd be great. That'd be really good.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  There's a really good one to watch on, on Netflix at the moment. I've heard the Concordia. It's about that boat that, that crashed. Now it killed like 36 people, but basically the captain had brought it too close to shore to go and wave at people and he completely grounded the whole boat. It still sits there years later. He was one of the first off the boat. The Concordia is such an amazing story because he literally, the, the, the captain of the ship wants to just show off by waving at people that were on the shore of this island, ended up grounding the whole boat. I think about 36 people died, but the big thing was he got off the boat as one of the first. And as the captain, you're meant to make sure that everybody gets off the boat safely. There he is sitting on the shore.

• 36:43Speaker 01

  You gotta go down with the ship. You gotta go down with the ship. Look at the Titanic.

• 36:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, we don't know. That was very brave in the Titanic when he just stood at the wheel.

• 36:54Speaker 01

  The wheel.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  What's it called?

• 36:58Speaker 01

  I guess it is called a wheel. I don't know. I never really thought about it before.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  It's very stoic of him. Not like your man just waiting on the side to be arrested. He is in prison now. I think he got life imprisonment.

• 37:10Speaker 01

  The, the, the, the ship driver.

• 37:13Speaker 02

  The captain, yeah. Well, 36 people died because he wanted to show off.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Oh my God.

• 37:20Speaker 02

  I know.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  I like a wave as much as the next man, but that's outrageous. Were the 36 people that died, did you just drive into them on the shore? Were they on the boat, on the shore?

• 37:30Speaker 02

  They were on the boat. They were on the boat and the boat's still there because it's going to cost so much money to try and take the boat away from, from the site that they've just left it there. It's a huge cruise ship. I'm obsessed with cruise ships. I, I, I just, I find everything about them fascinating. I don't know if I'll ever find myself on one, but I just think that they are like, it's such a, have you ever watched this thing on YouTube as well? There's another one to watch of people who miss the tender back to the cruise ship and the cruise ship fucks off without them. Because there's a certain time and if you miss the time, the cruise is going with all your belongings and it's tough luck.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  There was a woman died recently. I, I, I read it. I was sorry, listened to an interview. Her daughter was on Oprah or something. I might need to fact check that. There was a woman died. They left her on the island behind and it was, and it took them two days to realise she wasn't even there.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, an older woman. The grief gazette is back here.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. But I mean, it just, it needs to be said. It's actually quite serious. That captain, that captain, I guarantee that was for Instagram he was doing that.

• 38:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, he could have been.

• 38:36Speaker 01

  He was trying to get a real gun.

• 38:37Speaker 02

  Initially, I thought he was waving at a girl, but it turns out he was walking. I think one of the, one of the ship's people had asked the captain, oh, can we go in close? My friends are on that island. We want to wave at them. And the captain agreed.

• 38:49Speaker 01

  This is content gone wrong. This is like the stories where you hear people who are trying to take a selfie with a view in the back and they fall off a cliff.

• 38:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. Soft. There's loads of ones of them that are terrifying. God. Right, I have to go. It's Spencer's birthday and we are going for lunch and I'm going to go shopping with him and buy him a gift.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  Is he 48 now?

• 39:11Speaker 02

  No, he's fucking, you won't believe what age he is. Guess.

• 39:15Speaker 01

  Well, for legal reasons, I hope he's at least 24.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  He's, he's 38.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  Oh, I forgot. Hurry up, Spencer. Hurry up.

• 39:23Speaker 02

  I know. How is he 38? And then I'm like, oh my God, you settled down really young, too young.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  It's because his family's got money. He somehow figured out how to delay time.

• 39:34Speaker 02

  I think that, yeah.

• 39:35Speaker 01

  He should have been 40 years ago.

• 39:38Speaker 02

  Stealing time off of their people.

• 39:43Speaker 01

  That's what he's doing.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  I'll give you 500 grand for two years. Okay, sold.

• 39:47Speaker 01

  They're like done.

• 39:49Speaker 02

  Bye, everyone. Thanks for listening.

• 39:51Speaker 01

  Nara, um.

• 39:55Speaker 01

  I mean, if you wouldn't mind a reshare, I'll tag her, I'll tag her in the poster. See what she does with that.

• 40:00Speaker 02

  I dare you. Tag her and see if anything happens. I dare you.

• 40:03Speaker 01

  I actually love the voice. I think it'd make it lower. Yeah. I think it'd make it more, like more kind of whimsical.

• 40:10Speaker 02

  Be more Nara.

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