MFM Minisode 502

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:09Speaker 01

  Help us, they're everywhere. We think they're murder hornets. 911 Nashville returns.

• 0:17Speaker 02

  It's a homicide detective down here.

• 0:19Speaker 03

  Three bodies on the ground.

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  With emergencies of biblical proportions.

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  Hell, since swarms upon you and upon your people.

• 0:26Speaker 02

  That's one of the plagues of the Bible.

• 0:27Speaker 03

  And somebody's unleashing them on Nashville.

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• 1:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Hello and welcome.

• 1:48Georgia Hardstark?

  To my favorite murder.

• 1:49Karen Kilgariff?

  That's Richard Hardstark.

• 1:50Georgia Hardstark?

  That's, nope, that's Karen Kilgariff. And guess what?

• 1:53Karen Kilgariff?

  And that's the other introduction.

• 1:54Georgia Hardstark?

  And this is the minisode.

• 1:55Karen Kilgariff?

  And this is, you're the one that doesn't understand. This is the minisode.

• 1:59Georgia Hardstark?

  From your letters to our mouths.

• 2:01Karen Kilgariff?

  To God's ears.

• 2:01Georgia Hardstark?

  And then to God's ears. We're the filter, we're your filter.

• 2:05Karen Kilgariff?

  God is waiting to hear what we have to tell him.

• 2:08Georgia Hardstark?

  But we're waiting to hear what you have to tell us. It's complicated.

• 2:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Do you understand why you have to pay us $29.99?

• 2:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Uh, you go.

• 2:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, oh, good, because this is a, this is a nice kickoff.

• 2:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 2:21Karen Kilgariff?

  The subject line of this email is Grandma Spilling Family Secrets.

• 2:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 2:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Hot Glass. "Hi, y'all. My parents and I live in the rural town of Bar, Massachusetts, on a 50-acre plot of land that was bought about 80 years ago by my great-grandmother's older brother.

• 2:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 2:38Karen Kilgariff?

  When he died, he gave the land to my great-grandmother, and she split it up between her three children. They split it up to their children, one of them being my father, Capella."

• 2:48Georgia Hardstark?

  I was gonna, I was like, who is it? Jeffrey Dahmer? Like, it's just gonna be some fucking...

• 2:53Karen Kilgariff?

  Who's gonna end up?

• 2:54Georgia Hardstark?

  None other than my father.

• 2:56Karen Kilgariff?

  The plot of land stealer himself. Okay. "Since I was a baby, I've always had my grandmother and grandfather living next door to me, and family and cousins and second cousins always around. It's very fun. I would often walk next door and spend time with my grandma during the day. What a dream. We would have a few cups of tea and talk about just everything, from her childhood, political views, the birds, the drama of our small town, parentheses, less than 5,000 people, and anything you could think of. One day, I brought up our family history. Before my grandpa passed in 2018, he was huge on genealogy and creating our family tree. One of the facts that he was most proud of was tracing his side of the family's history back to the Mayflower and becoming a member of the Mayflower Society."

• 3:40Georgia Hardstark?

  They love that shit.

• 3:41Karen Kilgariff?

  They do, the blue bloods love it. "He made so many binders of our family tree and put together chart after chart of different families and connected it to ours. On this fateful day, Grandma had my grandpa's binders out and was moving them around, and me, being a murderino, asked her if we had any family secrets or murderers in those books. And she instantly said, 'Oh, yes. No one ever told you about how we're related to Bathsheba Ruggles Spooner?'" Me, having no idea who she was talking about, was instantly interested. Does that sound familiar at all?

• 4:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, you covered her?

• 4:13Karen Kilgariff?

  Mm-hmm. "We then proceeded to find her father in grandpa's genealogy binder, General Timothy Ruggles, the loyalist in the Revolutionary War, and one of the most hated generals in the area. Remember that? He was like a British loyalist."

• 4:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes, yes.

• 4:28Karen Kilgariff?

  "He lived only a town away from Bar in Hardwick, Mass. From that point, we found Bathsheba, and Grandma told me her story. You covered it in MFM 539, it keeps getting ruined."

• 4:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, with the 16-year-old fuckboy?

• 4:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 4:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Ah, okay.

• 4:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Bathsheba was the first woman to be executed in America following the murder of her husband, Joshua Spooner. Bath, this was, um...

• 4:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, neckbeard.

• 4:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 4:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Neckbeard, yeah, yeah.

• 4:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Neckbeard stuff. Bathsheba was five months pregnant by her 16-year-old lover Ezra Ross at the time of her death. After telling me, Grandma pulled out a signed copy of a book she'd gotten about Bathsheba called Murdered by His Wife, written by Deborah Navas, N-A-V-A-S. "The fact that I can bond even more with my grandma over true crime is an amazing thing. She's such a strong woman who married the love of her life at 18. Grandpa was in the Air Force for over 20 years, and she traveled and lived wherever he got stationed. She also raised and cared for four boys, almost all on her own at times, because my grandpa would be off around the world. She's truly an amazing woman, and I'm so glad I still have her in my life. Oh, lucky.

• 5:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 5:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Stay sexy and don't get murdered, Julia."

• 5:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Julia, so it was her, what, great-grandma? Or what was the connection?

• 5:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes, it was. Bathsheba's father is in the grandpa's family.

• 5:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 5:45Karen Kilgariff?

  And so, essentially, yeah, that he, that they were just related, I guess.

• 5:50Georgia Hardstark?

  That's very cool. You've got to do your ancestry chart stuff and talk to your grandparents.

• 5:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 5:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Got to.

• 5:56Karen Kilgariff?

  You simply must.

• 5:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Please, for us, if nothing else.

• 6:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, my childhood business venture. This one's funny. "I have no idea where this story would fit in in the list of hometown call-outs, but let's just file it under miscellaneous."

• 6:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Nice.

• 6:15Georgia Hardstark?

  "When I was a kid, on hot summer days, I would occasionally host a little lemonade stand on the sidewalk. I had no business calling it a lemonade stand since I was usually selling grape Kool-Aid. But whatever."

• 6:25Karen Kilgariff?

  So, can't you taste it? Just the words, you can taste grape Kool-Aid in your mouth?

• 6:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Like, I can. Warm grape Kool-Aid.

• 6:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Yep.

• 6:33Georgia Hardstark?

  "I'd usually rake in about $1.50, which in today's money is..."

• 6:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Wait, what year was it?

• 6:38Georgia Hardstark?

  They don't say what year, so I'm just gonna tell you. Which in today's money is $4. Like, she did the math, which I appreciate.

• 6:43Karen Kilgariff?

  But didn't include the year?

• 6:45Georgia Hardstark?

  No, enough for a couple candy bars. "One day, I came up with a brilliant plan. I had an idea to sell a commodity that had a seemingly endless supply and required very little investment on my part."

• 6:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Smart.

• 6:57Georgia Hardstark?

  "I opened my card table stand out by the sidewalk, and a nice woman pulled up in front of me. 'How much is a couple of lemonade?' she asked, looking through her purse for change. 'I'm selling grasshoppers,' I replied."

• 7:10Karen Kilgariff?

  What?

• 7:11Georgia Hardstark?

  The woman's face rapidly changed from a smile to a cringe, and she sputtered, 'No, thank you,' and drove away. Yes, I had a grasshopper stand."

• 7:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Live?

• 7:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Yep. "Earlier in the day, I had gone out into the tall grass with my butterfly net and caught an abundance of grasshoppers, putting each one carefully into my plastic critter cage that once housed my long-dead hermit crab.

• 7:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 7:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Tiny grasshoppers were marked $0.10. Regular costs, regular-sized cost a quarter. And the big-ass grasshoppers that were a bitch to catch cost a whopping $0.50."

• 7:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, rightly so.

• 7:46Georgia Hardstark?

  I feel so excited. I've seen them maybe once a year at this point. They're all fucking dead.

• 7:49Karen Kilgariff?

  The big ones?

• 7:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Any of them.

• 7:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Grasshoppers.

• 7:52Karen Kilgariff?

  She turns and looks, and there's a bunch of birds lining up to get, with their quarters.

• 7:57Georgia Hardstark?

  And there's a little raccoon rubbing his little tiny hands together.

• 7:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Finally, they've opened up one of these in my neighborhood.

• 8:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Gross, the crunch. Okay, uh, $0.10. "I had kids running from every house with sweaty change in their hands looking to buy a pet grasshopper."

• 8:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Smart.

• 8:11Georgia Hardstark?

  "I can only imagine their parents' discomfort as each child attempted to bring a big bug into the house. Most of them were told to keep the grasshoppers outside. I made $6."

• 8:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Hell, yes.

• 8:22Georgia Hardstark?

  The equivalent of $16 in today's money. "It was the most successful stand I ever had throughout all of my childhood." So smart.

• 8:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Really smart.

• 8:31Georgia Hardstark?

  "Unfortunately, my activism got the best of me as I began to feel sad for all the grasshoppers that had lost their freedom that day."

• 8:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 8:38Georgia Hardstark?

  "I snuck around to the little boxes and buckets in yards that contained the pets and released all that I found. This caused a bunch of kids to cry when they saw their grasshoppers had escaped. To recap, I captured grasshoppers, sold them to children, released them, kept the money, and comforted my customers as they mourned their losses.

• 9:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 9:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Questionable business practices at best. Fortunately, my shady business dealings eventually ended, and I did not grow up to be a con artist."

• 9:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Nice.

• 9:08Georgia Hardstark?

  "Stay sexy and don't become a grasshopper dealer if you can't handle the pressure, Kim."

• 9:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Kim, that's super genius. And the after-the-fact kind of regret and horror of what have I done? But then keeping the money is...

• 9:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, but not enough to like...

• 9:25Karen Kilgariff?

  It's so good.

• 9:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 9:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Just I've done the wrong thing here.

• 9:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Not to knock on every door and offer their money back.

• 9:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Climbing into the squirrel's house? I need those.

• 9:34Georgia Hardstark?

  So good.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  Please help us. They're everywhere. We think they're murder hornets. 911 Nashville returns.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  There's a homicide detective down here.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  Three bodies on the ground.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  With emergencies of biblical proportions.

• 9:53Speaker 03

  Oh, since swarms upon you and upon your people.

• 9:55Speaker 02

  That's one of the plagues of the Bible.

• 9:57Speaker 03

  And somebody's unleashing them on Nashville.

• 10:00Speaker 01

  Brian Philippi joins 911 Nashville. All new Thursdays on ABC, next day on Hulu.

• 10:07Speaker 00

  Whether you're buying, renting, or selling, Zillow can help make your someday today. To help find a home that fits where you are in life, or that apartment that's a little closer to where you want to be. Zillow has the right information, tools, and support to help turn your future home into a reality. Because someday starts today. Visit zillow.com/today to get started.

• 10:33Karen Kilgariff?

  The subject line of this email is "Grandpa's Witcheroo Funeral Story", and then in parentheses it says "light-hearted".

• 10:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 10:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Hi, MFM gals. You made the call for grandparents' witcheroo stories after-

• 10:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Jesus.

• 10:47Karen Kilgariff?

  We're just saying words.

• 10:49Georgia Hardstark?

  How many grandparents' witcheroo stories are there? Okay, let's hear it.

• 10:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, there's Freaky Friday. Okay, you made the call for grandparents' witcheroo stories after last week's "You're Dead to Us Cake Debacle".

• 11:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, yeah. Remember that? Oh, okay.

• 11:03Karen Kilgariff?

  Yep, the witcheroo, got it. And this Sylvester family tale immediately came to mind. My grandpa, Armand.

• 11:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 11:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Internacional. Passed in 2011. And as far as grandpas go, he was the best of the best. Kind and charming, with a playful sense of humor. He was our patriarch, who loved to joke and pull pranks on his kids and grandchildren. Growing up, he would often jokingly ask me, "Hey, do you have five bucks I can borrow?"

• 11:30Georgia Hardstark?

  That is such a good, like, scam.

• 11:33Karen Kilgariff?

  An old guy?

• 11:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Saying, "Hey, you got five bucks?" Love that.

• 11:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Some mental- Knowing full well I was six years old and broke as hell. It was silly, but his shrugality often became a benchmark of family stories. When he passed away at the age of 80, my family was understandably devastated. In the days leading up to Armand's funeral, we gathered at his home to sort through his belongings, plan arrangements, and make sense of our collective grief. Emotions ran heavy up until the morning of the funeral, when my Uncle Bruce, Armand's youngest son, frantically yelled from the back room of the house, "Hey, has anyone seen my suit?" Bruce had flown in for the occasion and left his freshly pressed suit hanging in the closet of his childhood bedroom. Now, said suit was missing. As I stood up to help my uncle look for his funeral best, I glanced over at my dad, Gary,

• 12:23Karen Kilgariff?

  who looked like he'd just seen a ghost.

• 12:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, no.

• 12:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, no, my dad whispered-

• 12:28Georgia Hardstark?

  What the fuck? Okay.

• 12:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, no, my dad whispered under his breath. Turns out, in the haze of planning his own father's funeral, my dad saw a new suit hanging in the closet, assumed it belonged to Armand, and dropped it off at the funeral home before viewing. That's right, grandpa was buried in a brand-new suit, and his son now had nothing to wear. Once we realized what happened, every single one of us in that house succumbed to full-blown laughter. Despite the heaviness of the moment, the idea that our ever-frugal grandfather pulled a fast one felt so fitting.

• 13:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Hell, yeah.

• 13:01Karen Kilgariff?

  He made-

• 13:02Georgia Hardstark?

  I didn't even think about that. Oh, my god.

• 13:06Karen Kilgariff?

  It was his last prank, and one we'll never forget.

• 13:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Damn.

• 13:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Stay sexy and don't bury grandpa in someone else's suit. Rachel Sylvester.

• 13:13Georgia Hardstark?

  I love- that was his final prank?

• 13:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 13:17Georgia Hardstark?

  I can't believe that.

• 13:18Karen Kilgariff?

  It's so good.

• 13:19Georgia Hardstark?

  I love it.

• 13:20Karen Kilgariff?

  And then the, like, that one uncle is just, like, wearing his weird old green blazer from 1958.

• 13:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally. Like, if it was an asshole grandpa, it wouldn't be funny, but it's fucking hilarious because it's Frank Grandpa. Okay. This is- da-da-da-da-da, I'm not telling you the name of this. Something, something, Karen, Georgia. Steven Pets. This isn't a trash mom story so much as a mom's trash Tinder date story. My parents were unhappily married for 25 years before finally divorcing in 2015.

• 13:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Dang.

• 13:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Guys, the split was neither clean nor amicable. And my mom, Michelle, swore never to date again. So imagine my shock a few years later when I found out she'd joined Tinder. She only went on a handful of dates, none of which went anywhere, but she stayed in touch with a couple of guys, meeting up occasionally for a coffee or a dog walk. Wink, wink, right?

• 14:14Karen Kilgariff?

  A dog walk?

• 14:14Georgia Hardstark?

  A coffee or a dog walk.

• 14:16Karen Kilgariff?

  But isn't it horrible for older people on something like Tinder?

• 14:21Georgia Hardstark?

  If it was a few years ago, then that's- there weren't really that many options, right?

• 14:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, I guess that's true. Plenty of fish, of course.

• 14:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. I think that one's terrible, though, isn't it?

• 14:31Karen Kilgariff?

  I have no idea.

• 14:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Is it Christian? I don't know. One such guy was Kevin, a perfectly nice but-

• 14:35Karen Kilgariff?

  Farmers-only? Sorry.

• 14:38Georgia Hardstark?

  One such guy was Kevin, a perfectly nice but otherwise completely forgettable dude with a giant tattoo of his dead wife's face on his leg.

• 14:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Kevin?

• 14:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Kevin.

• 14:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Jesus.

• 14:49Georgia Hardstark?

  One afternoon, my sister called with breaking news. So this is later, after they had gone on some dates.

• 14:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 14:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Kevin had added my mom to a WhatsApp group, a WhatsApp group called Tinder, along with several other women he'd matched with. That's right, Kev, who was supposedly away on a spiritual fast, had somehow managed to add every single one of his Tinder dates into one group chat. He thought he was categorizing, like, his contacts-

• 15:16Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right.

• 15:17Georgia Hardstark?

  When they all started to ask what the fuck was going on, his explanation was that he simply meant to separate his family, friends, customers. He then swiftly and unceremoniously left the group.

• 15:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Left them behind together?

• 15:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. Oh, fuck, and he fucking split.

• 15:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Have fun, you guys.

• 15:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Tragically, my mom did not seize this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to form a John Tucker Must Die-style girl gang. But the women did spend a respectable amount of time comparing notes and talking shit about Kevin before parting ways.

• 15:46Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, what-

• 15:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Those are your new best friends.

• 15:48Karen Kilgariff?

  What choice did they have?

• 15:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Book club. Immediate book club.

• 15:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Immediate book club, and also, it's just that idea, it's the especially corny idea that it's like, "I'm on a spiritual retreat. I'm so zen, and I'm so tapped in, except for how I'm a douchebag on dating apps."

• 16:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, and I'm lying in bed at the spiritual retreat categorizing people I've known.

• 16:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Butt's kind of big, hair's too short.

• 16:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Not long after my mom got permanently banned from Tinder for reporting nearly every profile she saw, convinced they were all fake. Spoiler, they were not.

• 16:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Michelle!

• 16:24Karen Kilgariff?

  She gets banned.

• 16:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 16:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Like, "This guy's not real."

• 16:28Georgia Hardstark?

  This can't be real.

• 16:29Karen Kilgariff?

  It's too good to be true.

• 16:30Georgia Hardstark?

  These days, she's off the apps entirely because she, quote, "Couldn't bear the thought of sharing closet space with a man ever again."

• 16:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 16:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Just naked- get a naked man, and you never have to worry about it.

• 16:40Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right, a nudist.

• 16:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. Thank you for everything. Shout out to my sister, Amy, fellow longtime murderino. We're not talking right now, but hopefully we'll be cool by the time this is read.

• 16:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Amy, listen to me.

• 16:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Amy, it's your fault.

• 16:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Amy, wait, did it say older sister or younger sister?

• 16:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Uh, my sister. Mm-mm.

• 16:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Listen, girls.

• 16:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Laura and Amy.

• 17:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Laura and Amy, we understand. Stuff comes up all the time, there's fighting, there's stuff in life. I'll say what my mom used to say when me and my sister used to fight. "Your sister is the only person you have. I didn't have a sister. Don't you understand how lucky you are?"

• 17:16Georgia Hardstark?

  And if you ever tour internationally again, please add Cape Cod to the list. And then there's a note from someone- Molly, is it you?

• 17:23Karen Kilgariff?

  It says-

• 17:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Cape Town. Whoa, Cape Town.

• 17:26Karen Kilgariff?

  I was gonna say. Is the note that Cape Cod is not in Europe?

• 17:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Cape Town. That's- yeah, that makes way more sense. No, this is the second Cape Town request I saw in the inbox today.

• 17:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 17:37Georgia Hardstark?

  There are murderinos aplenty down here in Cape Cod.

• 17:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Down in Cape Cod, Cape Town.

• 17:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. Stay sexy and don't try to separate your family, period, friends, period, customers. Laura.

• 17:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Laura, stop fighting with your sister, you lunatic. I would kill to know what they're fighting about.

• 17:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, god.

• 17:56Karen Kilgariff?

  I hope it's something heavy.

• 17:58Georgia Hardstark?

  I hope it's something petty.

• 17:59Karen Kilgariff?

  But some- I hope it's this- You said you were gonna get Mia Frosty, and you didn't, and now we're not talking for eight months.

• 18:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Better be.

• 18:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. That's the stuff that's really satisfying.

• 18:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 18:14Speaker 07

  They're everywhere. We think they're murder warnings.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  911 Nashville returns.

• 18:20Speaker 02

  What's a homicide detective doing here?

• 18:22Speaker 03

  Three bodies on the ground.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  With emergencies of biblical proportions.

• 18:26Speaker 03

  I will send swarms upon you and upon your people.

• 18:29Speaker 02

  That's one of the plagues of the Bible.

• 18:30Speaker 03

  And somebody's unleashing them on Nashville.

• 18:33Speaker 01

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• 18:40Karen Kilgariff?

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• 19:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 19:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Hi, Karen in Georgia. You know what they say, longtime listener, first time writer. I've been listening to your podcast backwards with new weekly episodes sprinkled in here and there, obviously, for about two years now, so forgive me if I'm confused on which pets are with us and which ones have walked the rainbow bridge.

• 19:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh. That's such a good way of like categorizing where you are in this place.

• 19:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Also, this is a person who knows us well enough to be like, I have to apologize, I don't know what pets are dead or alive.

• 19:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Shockingly, Mimi's still kicking. I cannot believe it.

• 19:48Karen Kilgariff?

  What a supermodel.

• 19:49Georgia Hardstark?

  She does not, she doesn't have long for this world, but I have been saying that for at least five years.

• 19:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, well, and I think that it's the fury that's keeping her alive.

• 19:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Absolutely.

• 19:58Karen Kilgariff?

  That's the way to go.

• 20:00Georgia Hardstark?

  She's so angry. Okay.

• 20:01Karen Kilgariff?

  I do have to say, and I don't want to bum anybody out, but Frank, Frank's last visit at the vet, the tests, the tests weren't great.

• 20:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Frank's immortal.

• 20:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Frank is, I said, the vet called me and was just like saying, you know, there's lumps and bumps and he's got all kinds of stuff going on. And, and I go, well, he is kind of old. And she goes, he's 18 and two months.

• 20:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Holy shit.

• 20:27Karen Kilgariff?

  He's so fucking old.

• 20:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 20:30Karen Kilgariff?

  But the thing is, my thing is, when I go to feed him breakfast or dinner, the joy and the tippy tappy dancing, I'm like, that's, when that goes, I'll start getting worried, but that's still here.

• 20:41Georgia Hardstark?

  That's so cute.

• 20:42Karen Kilgariff?

  So.

• 20:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Mimi and Frank holding on, they're like grandma and grandpa.

• 20:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, we have to put them in a room because they could fight and just kill each other.

• 20:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Should we do a betting poll? Who goes? Stop it.

• 20:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Like cockfighting kind of?

• 20:55Georgia Hardstark?

  No, just see who goes first.

• 20:57Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, oh.

• 20:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Or whatever.

• 20:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, yeah, that's sad.

• 21:00Georgia Hardstark?

  It's so sad. Why are we even?

• 21:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Because we can't handle our feelings.

• 21:04Georgia Hardstark?

  I know.

• 21:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, so, forgive me if I'm confused about which pets are with us and which ones have walked the rainbow bridge. Well, you don't have to be confused anymore because we put our gambling, fucking gambling together. Dead pets gambling. Either way, love to you all. I'm writing in because I just listened to the mini-sode about talking about dad lore and wanted to join in on the fun with a twist. Grand lore. Much like Karen's, my grandmother moved here from Ireland in her mid-teens. She had many stories to share, and yet one my family and I truly treasured the most was when she partied it up in a remote cabin with the one and only Gordon Lightfoot.

• 21:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Wait, who's Gordon Lightfoot?

• 21:43Karen Kilgariff?

  He's saying the wreck of the Edmunds Fitzgerald.

• 21:45Georgia Hardstark?

  What?

• 21:46Karen Kilgariff?

  He's saying the wreck of the, that 70s sundown.

• 21:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, yeah, okay, yes.

• 21:52Karen Kilgariff?

  And then it says, yes, a true Canadian classic. One day, we were visiting my grandparents when she recounted the time her and my grandfather had gone on vacation to Rosneath Manor in the Muskogus in Ontario, Canada, where she had met with a very young, pre-fame Gord. Here's where many shenanigans took place, lots of illegal activities, and then in parentheses, 420 Blaze it.

• 22:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Grandparent threesome?

• 22:19Karen Kilgariff?

  They're all stoned and just like getting grabby. Singing and songwriting, and most of all, laughs, shared among old and new friends. So no, we're being, we're the sex pests in this situation. I'd like to think every time she heard a Gordon Lightfoot song, she remembered some fun memories from her younger years with the man who she shared an unforgettable vacation with. Oh, and my grandfather, too. I hope she's at rest now with my granddad, her husband of 60-plus years, and my dad, whom she loved like her very own son.

• 22:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh.

• 22:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Stay sexy. And why do you call it treasure? I must not be caught up to that part yet. Uh, Slancha Gillian. P.S. Attached is a photo of June and Gord having a grand old time, as she would put it.

• 23:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 23:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Here it is. Grandma hanging out with Gordon, a young Gordon Lightfoot, pre-beard.

• 23:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Such a good photo. He is so cute. Look at her beehive, her bouffant.

• 23:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Those old Kodak, like three by threes. It's, that's every picture my parents have of like, right when my sister was born.

• 23:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 23:26Karen Kilgariff?

  And now it looks like it's from ancient Egypt.

• 23:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Grandma looks high as fuck, I will say.

• 23:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Grandma was having the time of her life. And she's like, I'm going to set you up, rock and roll star.

• 23:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Amazing.

• 23:38Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, and to have that captured on film.

• 23:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, wow.

• 23:42Karen Kilgariff?

  What a life.

• 23:43Georgia Hardstark?

  So it's very cool. Okay, last one. This is a little long, but it's a good one. It's a famous person hang.

• 23:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Hell, yes.

• 23:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Hello, how are you? I'm good.

• 23:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Me too.

• 23:58Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm a stand-up comedian based in Montreal. Last summer, I had the privilege of getting a spot in the Just for Laughs Comedy Festival.

• 24:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Congratulations. It's a big deal.

• 24:07Georgia Hardstark?

  I nabbed one of the hourly sought-after, middle-of-the-day outdoor stage on the festival promenade spots. Karen will know how amazing these are.

• 24:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Very, very bad.

• 24:17Georgia Hardstark?

  And I was on, no, I was over the moon. I think so.

• 24:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Outside during the day?

• 24:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Middle of the day, outdoor stage on the festival promenade. Oh, so like not in a bar or in a.

• 24:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, kind of worst-case scenario. Outside and during the day for comedy is literally just inviting people to talk while you're talking. It's just, it's like you're selling knives at the county fair. It's awful.

• 24:40Georgia Hardstark?

  It's so funny that you were joking. She knew you know that she was fucking around. And I was like, I don't get it. I think she's being sincere.

• 24:45Karen Kilgariff?

  What's happening?

• 24:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, and I was over the moon about it. And it says, really, truly, I would have taken anything and I was incredibly grateful.

• 24:52Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, that's the whole idea, right? It's like, they'll be grateful, set him up in the fucking alley.

• 24:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Not anymore for Sadie. As a Just for Laughs comic, I was given two festival passes, one for me and one for my girlfriend Hillary, which granted us access to a bunch of shows for free and access to the after-parties, baby. At these after-parties, I had the pleasure of chatting with some of my favorite comedians. Everyone was lovely and getting to meet some of my comedy heroes was huge for me, but the nagging imposter syndrome, I felt, made things a little bittersweet. As a local comic with only a couple of years of experience under her belt, I didn't have much to offer when it came to networking. So these interactions made me feel like I was taking up too much of important people's time. But then I met Alan Cumming.

• 25:36Karen Kilgariff?

  What?

• 25:37Georgia Hardstark?

  I'd been chatting with my friend Andrina outside one of the party venues. She was rolling a cigarette when a festival volunteer approached us. With an over-the-top level of urgency, he asked, are you rolling cigarettes? Alan, Alan Cumming would really like a rolled cigarette. Can we have one? I tried my best.

• 25:53Karen Kilgariff?

  There you go. No.

• 25:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Being my typical dumbass self, I tried to joke, actually, she told me I could have the rest of these. He didn't laugh. He had no time for my BS. Yes, obviously, of course, we assured him Alan Cumming could smoke with us. For the rest, do we need to tell everyone who Alan Cumming is?

• 26:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, I mean, if you don't know, Alan Cumming is a, uh, I think he's originally Irish, but I actually don't know.

• 26:16Georgia Hardstark?

  It says it right here. Wait, hold on, Scottish.

• 26:19Karen Kilgariff?

  He's Scottish?

• 26:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. If you watch Traitors, he's the host of Traitors.

• 26:22Karen Kilgariff?

  He's the host of Traitors.

• 26:23Georgia Hardstark?

  He's huge.

• 26:24Karen Kilgariff?

  But he's also the director of the anniversary party.

• 26:27Georgia Hardstark?

  The one you were in. Okay, so you personally are friends with him.

• 26:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Not in the least, but I have met him and he's amazing.

• 26:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay. For the rest of the night into the AM, we hung out on a curb in Montreal chatting with Alan Cummings as if we were old friends. He talked about his partner and we talked about ours. He shared some hilarious anecdotes about the Broadway production of the children's book he and his husband had written about their two dogs, The Adventures of Honey and Leon.

• 26:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 26:52Georgia Hardstark?

  He also dropped some hot celebrity dating gossip that I locked away in the vault out of respect. And it says, I can be trusted with your secret, celebrities. Eventually, my girlfriend joined us and upon hearing that she was a lawyer, Alan shared some stories from his time on The Good Wife.

• 27:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Nice.

• 27:08Georgia Hardstark?

  The highlight of my night and possibly of the entire festival was making Alan Cumming laugh. When I told him I was a comedian, he said in his charming Scottish accent, I'm not going to pretend, oh, and you're a good one, I bet. With that, the imposter syndrome evaporated. Shortly after I received my compliment, I decided it would be best to wrap up the interaction before I ruined it somehow.

• 27:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Smart.

• 27:30Georgia Hardstark?

  I turned to my girlfriend and said, well, it's getting pretty late. Should we think about heading home? And to this, Alan responded, what? I thought we were having a nice party on the sidewalk. Okay, Alan, I said, we can hang out a bit longer. Stay sexy and don't question your achievements, but if you do, hopefully there'll be a famous Scottish bisexual somewhere nearby to set you straight. Cheers, Sadie.

• 27:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Sadie, what a great.

• 27:55Georgia Hardstark?

  He's like your fairy comedian godmother. And I have a photo of the girlfriend, Sadie, and Alan Cumming.

• 28:01Karen Kilgariff?

  No, what?

• 28:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, look at him.

• 28:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Look at him and look at them.

• 28:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Everyone's teeth are amazing, first of all.

• 28:08Karen Kilgariff?

  I feel like Alan Cumming, I love that he gets to have this time because he really is kind of taking over in this way. He's, he's already been doing it. He's a pro. He's good at everything. And now he's just like, yeah, I'm just going to go be a badass bitch in the streets.

• 28:24Georgia Hardstark?

  I love it.

• 28:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Love him.

• 28:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Amazing. Yay.

• 28:26Karen Kilgariff?

  So good.

• 28:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Um, we're still accepting celebrity paying outs, guys, good or bad.

• 28:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Did you get booked at Just for Laughs? Who did you meet when you were there? Let us know.

• 28:36Georgia Hardstark?

  We probably hate them. But thanks for listening and thanks for being here.

• 28:44Karen Kilgariff?

  And stay sexy.

• 28:44Georgia Hardstark?

  And don't get murdered.

• 28:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye.

• 28:47Speaker 07

  Elvis, do you want a cookie?

• 28:56Karen Kilgariff?

  This has been an Exactly Right Production.

• 28:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Our managing producer is Molly Smith.

• 29:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Our consulting producer is Kate Schellbach.

• 29:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Our creative lead is Allison Agosti.

• 29:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Our associate producer is Tessa Hughes and our editor is Aristotle Acevedo.

• 29:09Georgia Hardstark?

  This episode was mixed by Leona Scolacci.

• 29:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Email your hometowns to [email protected] and follow the show on Instagram at MyFavoriteMurder.

• 29:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Listen to My Favorite Murder on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 29:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Or watch new episodes every week on Netflix. Search for My Favorite Murder, add us to your list, and hit the double thumbs up button.

• 29:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Goodbye.

• 29:36Karen Kilgariff?

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