Pod Insights My Brother, My Brother And Me MBMBaM 786: Flatman About this episode After almost 800 episodes we finally make the big reveal that this has actually been a yo-yo-ing podcast the entire time. We talk in-depth about these orbs and demonstrate neat tricks like the Batman Punch, The Cilantro Grab, and the Crayon Saturn.
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0:00 Speaker 00 The McElroy Brothers are not experts and their advice should never be followed. Travis insists he's a sexpert, but if there's a degree on his wall, I haven't seen it. Also, this show isn't for kids, which I mention only so the babies out there will know how cool they are for listening. What's up, you cool baby?
1:10 Travis McElroy? Hello, everybody, and welcome to My Brother My Brother, me and advice show for the modern era. I'm your oldest brother, Justin McElroy.
1:16 Travis McElroy? What's up, Trav Nation? It's me, your middlest brother, Travis Big Dog Wolf Wolf McElroy.
1:22 Griffin McElroy? Shit, he's doing remixes of some of your favorite classics. This is your sweet baby brother, Griffin McElroy, and Justin is joining us from fucking G4 TV, fucking tech TV ass attack.
1:38 Travis McElroy? It's G4 mid aughts. I got my Funko Pops in here.
1:44 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, bro.
1:45 Travis McElroy? We got a big office.
1:46 Travis McElroy? Folksy cross stitches.
1:48 Griffin McElroy? Huge office remodel and folks not watching this because it may or may not be watchable.
1:54 Travis McElroy? The fact that I'm wearing a picture of my.
1:56 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, but it's also my face and Travis's face.
1:58 Travis McElroy? My face is on this, but I can see it.
2:00 Griffin McElroy? Justin's, we're zoomed out on Juice. Establishing shot, interior, daytime.
2:06 Travis McElroy? No, don't change your shirt.
2:07 Griffin McElroy? Justin gets embarrassed and has to change his shirt. We're zoomed out, so the crop includes a little bit of desk. We've got some keyboard action on there. I think we're seeing the top of his monitor. This is the news station. It's like Justin's our man in the chair. And Travis, I noticed that maybe to match, you've also zoomed out your own camera so that your keyboard's in it. And did you just turn it backwards? The shirt?
2:31 Travis McElroy? Is it backwards?
2:33 Travis McElroy? I don't, I just, it was very distracting.
2:35 Griffin McElroy? Well, it's.
2:36 Travis McElroy? Cause it's me.
2:37 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
2:37 Travis McElroy? And I try to think about if I'm gonna be looking at a camera.
2:40 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
2:40 Travis McElroy? When I get dressed in the morning to see if I have pictures of myself or things that I made up, right?
2:45 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, you're also.
2:46 Travis McElroy? Cause I don't like to do that.
2:46 Griffin McElroy? I, I think maybe it's just the way your shit's set up now, Juice, is you're barreling a lot. You're giving me lots of little Jim Halpert.
2:53 Travis McElroy? Can I say?
2:54 Griffin McElroy? So the thing is, right to the fucking dome, dude.
2:56 Travis McElroy? If I can bring you guys inside the bit, okay? So I'm still figuring out some of the quirks of the studio, okay? You guys are down here. So do you see this blue thing?
3:05 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
3:05 Travis McElroy? That's you guys.
3:06 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
3:07 Travis McElroy? Okay. And then, and then the Hoops Troops, they're up there.
3:11 Griffin McElroy? Okay.
3:12 Travis McElroy? What I'm getting right now. This is helping me, what's helping me to remember to not focus on, cause I've been so focused on you guys.
3:18 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, but that's not, we don't pay you.
3:20 Travis McElroy? You don't pay me.
3:21 Griffin McElroy? No.
3:21 Travis McElroy? They pay me.
3:22 Travis McElroy? And what I'm getting right now is very much Justin, like news anchor. And with my thing zoomed out, you can see so many plants that I feel like I'm in the field.
3:31 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
3:31 Travis McElroy? Like I'm reporting in the field. And so Griffin, I'm picturing you in a helicopter.
3:35 Griffin McElroy? See, for me, I was thinking, I'm like the guy at the board and they switch to him like every, like just show him like, doing that to like someone in the corner.
3:45 Travis McElroy? Oh, like when Regis and Kathie Lee used to like cut to their like director.
3:48 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, they would say something like, and you know who loves stinky pizza is Teddy? And they cut to Teddy in the studio and he's not even like paying attention. He's like, over there, hit the tape.
3:58 Travis McElroy? Yeah, don't.
3:58 Griffin McElroy? That's me right now. You guys in fucking 8K, fucking Attack of the TV, TV ass news desk. And I look like a clown.
4:07 Travis McElroy? Griffin keeps holding out high definition feeds as something to be embarrassed of.
4:11 Griffin McElroy? It's, you're so crisp, dude. I can see your vascularity. It's crazy, dude.
4:16 Travis McElroy? I don't like that.
4:16 Travis McElroy? Talk about my plants, Griffin.
4:18 Griffin McElroy? Your plants look good too, dude, but you're giving me like three, three and a half K tops.
4:22 Travis McElroy? Yeah, I turned down the K's so that it wouldn't be overwhelming for Travis Nation.
4:27 Griffin McElroy? I'm getting a lot of K's by the K's right now.
4:29 Travis McElroy? I can't give Travis Nation too much. You know what I mean?
4:34 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
4:34 Travis McElroy? The loyalty is already spiking.
4:36 Griffin McElroy? Dirty dogs.
4:37 Travis McElroy? They are.
4:38 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
4:39 Travis McElroy? And I love it. I love my dirty dogs.
4:42 Travis McElroy? Oh, yeah, you do say that privately a lot. Will Batman get to heaven? That's from Matt. Thank you, Travis.
4:50 Griffin McElroy? Thanks Travis for putting that question in the show.
4:51 Travis McElroy? This is a big swing at the beginning.
4:53 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
4:53 Travis McElroy? And it's not an advice question. It's not the kind of thing we normally.
4:57 Griffin McElroy? No, I'm so confused by why you chose to lead off with it.
5:01 Travis McElroy? I think sometimes it's nice to have a good thought starter.
5:04 Griffin McElroy? Matt, Matt.
5:05 Travis McElroy? And I will say what, what Travis just said is true. Is that sometimes it is nice to have a good thought starter. That is true.
5:16 Griffin McElroy? And now, like that one.
5:18 Travis McElroy? This is, this is a boiled down, like, hey, do you want to get to the heart of morality in one simple question in a few words? Would Batman get into heaven?
5:30 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
5:31 Travis McElroy? This is going to say a lot, I think, individually about our views on morality.
5:36 Travis McElroy? So this is actually one of the things the perks of the studio does have that I think is really exciting is.
5:44 Travis McElroy? It's got this.
5:45 Griffin McElroy? Holy shit, dude.
5:46 Travis McElroy? Board that I've hooked up to our YouTube, right? So like, I can see what Travis is doing. I can see the effect it's having on our subscribers. And let me just take a quick look. No, it's not moving the needle at all, Trav. We are stuck 398. I'm so sorry, man. I'm so sorry. No new subscribers from this bit. I'm sorry they want us to-
6:04 Travis McElroy? We do need to hit a million so that my children will respect me even more. Yeah. Cause I have the silver play button up on my wall, but that's 100,000 subscribers. And I don't think that's reflective.
6:15 Griffin McElroy? If we don't get to 500,000 subscribers today, they're gonna put me back in the big button box. And you guys know I hate the big button box. They make me guess the button that lets me out, but most of the buttons just burn me and dump worms on me.
6:28 Travis McElroy? Churning out the pixels that people crave.
6:30 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
6:31 Travis McElroy? And I'm wearing a Batman shirt, which is complete, a complete happenstance for this question. So would Batman- That is still a pressing concern.
6:39 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
6:39 Travis McElroy? We are still going to address.
6:41 Griffin McElroy? Batman, okay. So we know from the movie where the boy gets, gets zapped while he's on the Ferris wheel and dies for 10 minutes, that heaven is for real. Batman is debatable. I'm guessing we don't want to get into semantics like, is Clooney getting into heaven? It, yes.
7:01 Travis McElroy? No, I think conceptual Batman.
7:02 Griffin McElroy? Okay.
7:03 Travis McElroy? A Batman of the mind.
7:04 Griffin McElroy? Batman.
7:05 Travis McElroy? Okay.
7:06 Griffin McElroy? Hmm. He's never murdered, but that's just one of the sins. So like, you don't get up there and St. Pete's like, let me check, no murders. That's cool. Go on it.
7:17 Travis McElroy? Punisher's not getting into heaven.
7:19 Griffin McElroy? Punisher-
7:20 Travis McElroy? Why can't Punisher get into heaven?
7:21 Griffin McElroy? That's the thing. Punisher's done a lot of murders, but he's-
7:24 Travis McElroy? Punisher is, hey, hey Trav, I'll just say Punisher's a vet. So-
7:27 Griffin McElroy? He's a vet and I can't believe you'd say that.
7:29 Travis McElroy? Have a good, have a good Monday.
7:30 Griffin McElroy? He's never done lust.
7:31 Travis McElroy? Is getting into heaven? Enjoy your Monday, dude.
7:34 Griffin McElroy? Punisher's never had one impure sexual thought, even one time. Nor has anyone who wears Punisher merchandise in real life. Never one lustful idea even crosses their mind.
7:45 Travis McElroy? I will say, we've seen Batman, we've seen Batman succumb to the charms of Catwoman.
7:52 Griffin McElroy? Oh, yeah.
7:53 Travis McElroy? Poison Ivy.
7:54 Griffin McElroy? I bet he watches pornography on his big computer in his Batcave. Uh, we all know what happens in there.
8:02 Travis McElroy? There are certain scheduled times where Alfred's not allowed to come down.
8:04 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, dude.
8:06 Travis McElroy? So if he, if he gets to heaven and we're, I think we have to assume, okay. The way we were raised.
8:14 Travis McElroy? Thank you.
8:14 Travis McElroy? The way we were raised.
8:15 Travis McElroy? Back in my day.
8:16 Travis McElroy? Okay, the way we were raised, what we understood is that the only way you got into heaven was through an abiding faith in Jesus Christ as your savior, right?
8:25 Griffin McElroy? They were way more chill than that for me. They were super chill. They did not say.
8:30 Travis McElroy? They were real, you got a different.
8:32 Griffin McElroy? They were like, just say you're saved. And I'm saying, they're like, you're good. Go for it, man.
8:35 Travis McElroy? But you don't know the content. You could say it out loud. You proclaim it from the body of the church, but only Christ knows the contents of Batman's heart. You know what I mean? So like, I can't sit here and tell you authoritatively if Batman will get into heaven because that is such a deep and personal connection between him and Jesus Christ. And if he has been saved in that crimson blood that was shed so many years ago on Calvary.
8:59 Travis McElroy? I will say, Justin, the new studio setup has really changed your views on faith.
9:03 Griffin McElroy? Dude, I gotta say, it's changed a lot about the energy of this show. I can't stress enough. We never push people to our video content in the audio feeds. You simply must see the vibe Justin's serving right now. It's really, really crazy. It's a power, it's a huge power play. It's a dominance play that I was, you did not want.
9:22 Travis McElroy? I'm turning on our religious upbringing. If you'll let me finish the thought. What I'm saying is that Batman.
9:29 Travis McElroy? I don't want to go to a heaven where someone who has worked so hard.
9:32 Griffin McElroy? Right.
9:32 Travis McElroy? Uh huh.
9:34 Travis McElroy? For the people of Gotham is not going to be admitted for why? Cause he was Episcopalian or Methodist or whatever the wrong team? Come on.
9:42 Travis McElroy? Well, I think it would more because he punched all those people.
9:46 Griffin McElroy? Punching's fine.
9:47 Travis McElroy? Got, got Jesus flipped over the tables.
9:50 Travis McElroy? Excellent point.
9:52 Griffin McElroy? There was that one day where Jesus beat ass and people really, really, I don't know. They like to bring that one up a lot. I feel like you hear less about the parables and more about the time he went absolutely ape shit on the money lenders.
10:03 Travis McElroy? Yeah, that rule though.
10:04 Griffin McElroy? I mean, yeah, but it's like the deal, he also healed people from death and he, but everyone just wants to talk about the time he went fucking John Wick ass, nobody ass on those. On those candy ass money lenders.
10:16 Travis McElroy? You know what? I wonder sometimes about the water into wine. Cause that was like his. Crappy mountain goats cassette first try demo tape and everybody's still talking about.
10:26 Griffin McElroy? I mean, that was a crazy one.
10:27 Travis McElroy? Talk about wine and water without somebody being like.
10:29 Griffin McElroy? Uh, let me.
10:29 Travis McElroy? Do you think he could do other liquids into other liquids? Or do you think he was limited to that?
10:34 Griffin McElroy? I think it's probably just that, but we're, I mean, we can talk all day about how cool Jesus.
10:37 Travis McElroy? I don't want to talk about Jesus.
10:38 Griffin McElroy? I'm talking.
10:39 Travis McElroy? I don't think Batman would go to heaven because he would request to go to hell to beat more ass.
10:45 Griffin McElroy? Oh, that's cool, dude.
10:46 Travis McElroy? I think that Saint Pete would be like, yeah, Batman, come on in. He'd be like, no, send me to hell.
10:51 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
10:51 Travis McElroy? Cause I'm gonna beat up demons. Okay, okay, wait. Hmm. If I'm Batman and I get to choose.
10:59 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
11:00 Travis McElroy? Which I like that. I would go to hell. Why? Because of the existence of Lazarus Pit. So Ra's al Ghul and his daughter Talia.
11:08 Griffin McElroy? Thank you.
11:09 Travis McElroy? Access to Lazarus Pit.
11:10 Griffin McElroy? Right.
11:11 Travis McElroy? Can bring people back from life.
11:12 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
11:13 Travis McElroy? From death.
11:13 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
11:13 Travis McElroy? Excuse me. To life. Okay, so.
11:16 Griffin McElroy? Batman won't bring people back from life. Batman's one rule is he won't bring people back from life.
11:21 Travis McElroy? Yeah. I learned my lesson. I tried to bring my mom back and she's a zombie. It's so scary. She's trapped in this big metal suit of armor. She's the big penny. I fucked up. I made my mom into a big penny with magic. She's my big penny. I'm sorry, Alfred. She's the big penny. Okay. What I'm saying is if I'm Batman and I know there's a chance that Talia Agul or her father Ra's al Ghul is going to summon me back to existence.
11:47 Griffin McElroy? Right.
11:47 Travis McElroy? With the Lazarus Pit.
11:48 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
11:48 Travis McElroy? I do not want to be pulled out of the bosom of Jesus.
11:51 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
11:51 Travis McElroy? I want to come back from hell.
11:53 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
11:53 Travis McElroy? Mad.
11:54 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
11:54 Travis McElroy? Can you imagine a Batman who was already pretty scary?
11:57 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
11:58 Travis McElroy? And then he was, he went to hell for a while?
12:00 Griffin McElroy? We get kind of a ghostwriter Batman is what you're describing?
12:04 Travis McElroy? That's probably a thing.
12:05 Griffin McElroy? There's gotta be and like.
12:07 Travis McElroy? We gotta do that amalgam crossover.
12:08 Griffin McElroy? There's gotta be like an Alan Moore strip where Batman does go to hell. So.
12:13 Travis McElroy? Alan Moore's comic strips were amazing. I used to read them in the newspaper every Sunday morning.
12:18 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
12:18 Travis McElroy? And they would crack me up.
12:22 Travis McElroy? Right below Slylock Fox.
12:24 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
12:24 Travis McElroy? His run on Mutt's was epic.
12:26 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
12:28 Travis McElroy? So good. He took Beetle Bailey in such a weird direction.
12:31 Travis McElroy? Batman gonna get into heaven, though? Travis?
12:35 Travis McElroy? Well, he'll never die.
12:37 Travis McElroy? Okay, that's interesting. This is, see, that's why I was touching on the Lazarus Pit. It's like, you're talking about a a narrative version of a Batman that can't die.
12:45 Travis McElroy? Yeah.
12:46 Travis McElroy? I don't think it's most helpful for determining an afterlife, right?
12:51 Travis McElroy? If Batman were to die, I think he would go to heaven because I think God would wanna hang out with Batman.
12:56 Griffin McElroy? You guys don't know about this. But Batman can't kill people, and so all of his bad guys, they also know they can't kill Batman.
13:05 Travis McElroy? You saw me just take Travis by the scruff of his neck and bring him back to the premise of the question and say, what will happen? And then you immediately piled on and say, no, no, no, Batman can't die. Griffin? Is Batman gonna go to heaven when he dies? Or hell?
13:19 Griffin McElroy? I'm saying Batman doesn't kill people. Batman doesn't kill people, so they know not to kill him. It's haunted house rules.
13:26 Travis McElroy? That's true, because in Batman Beyond, canonically, we get old man Batman.
13:31 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
13:31 Travis McElroy? When Batman dies, it will be him trying to do one of his sick-ass disappearances too fast. It'll be somebody turning around, right? And they're like, anyway, Batman, I was gonna, and then they turn around like, where'd he go? And then they're gonna hear, ah, fuck!
13:45 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
13:47 Griffin McElroy? He zip line up.
13:48 Travis McElroy? That's how they'll get him.
13:48 Griffin McElroy? He zip line up to the gargoyle, but he doesn't stop it. Gargoyle will fall right on him, squish a Batman pizza.
13:55 Travis McElroy? Yep.
13:56 Griffin McElroy? Now he's in.
13:57 Travis McElroy? I had it, Batman. I did that Arkham City constantly. It happens all the time. It is a hazard of the job.
14:04 Griffin McElroy? It gets a Batman, he's nervous, he approaches Saint Pete. Saint Pete's like, don't worry, punching's okay, and you never had a single lustful thought.
14:11 Travis McElroy? Also, the Joker's here.
14:12 Griffin McElroy? The Joker is here.
14:13 Travis McElroy? The Joker also got in.
14:15 Griffin McElroy? He did a lot of bad stuff, actions, but his heart and his brain was very good, and we love that here.
14:20 Travis McElroy? And he kept the tithes, man. I don't know what to tell you.
14:22 Griffin McElroy? Joker was, he was a dilly, he did 15% Batman. He went above and beyond.
14:28 Travis McElroy? Yeah, he's in, man. He got saved like six times.
14:31 Travis McElroy? All we cared about was tithing.
14:33 Griffin McElroy? That was it.
14:33 Travis McElroy? The whole time, that was the whole bit. All you had to do was give 10%.
14:38 Travis McElroy? To afford his tithes.
14:39 Griffin McElroy? That's it.
14:40 Travis McElroy? You didn't have to take care of anybody, just tithe 10%, I'll take care of the rest.
14:44 Griffin McElroy? Batman's gotta go to heaven. Next question, please.
14:47 Travis McElroy? Is learning the yo-yo really that hard, or is it just me? I'm not one trying to, okay, sorry. There's a lot of words in this one. I'm gonna take another pass.
14:55 Griffin McElroy? Okay.
14:56 Travis McElroy? Is learning to yo-yo really hard? Or is it just me? I'm not one to keep trying at something that I'm not good at immediately, but I really wanna yo-yo. Do y'all remember ever being relatively proficient in throwing yo-yo? I watched so many tutorial videos and I'm still banging my head against the wall here. Please. I wanna have yo-yo fun and also impress my BF. Thank you.
15:21 Griffin McElroy? Are you gonna say who that's from?
15:23 Travis McElroy? Hmm, yep. Yo nope in Charlotte. That's from Yo nope in Charlotte.
15:30 Travis McElroy? Now, Justin, you had a proficient yo-yo phase. Is that correct?
15:34 Travis McElroy? I, like all my fixations, I got just good enough to annoy people that actually know what they're doing. That's what I would say. That's what I would, I got just enough to act like I know too much in conversation.
15:48 Griffin McElroy? Yep.
15:48 Travis McElroy? I could do like 10 tricks. Uh, I, I will say honestly, this person is probably the yo-yo. There are some yo-yos that have a tight fixed axle that just wanna come right back.
15:58 Griffin McElroy? Tell me about it. No, I'm agreeing. This is not exasperation. This is me expressing frustration with a tight fixed axle.
16:04 Travis McElroy? Yeah, it's not, it's not frustration. That's better for looping tricks. But if you wanna, if you wanna do sleeping tricks, you need a loose axle that's gonna spin.
16:11 Griffin McElroy? You need a butterfly to DNA.
16:13 Travis McElroy? Butterfly, if you wanna do like a looping trick, like you wanna catch it on the, the string.
16:17 Griffin McElroy? We love those. Yeah.
16:18 Travis McElroy? You could mod it.
16:20 Griffin McElroy? Mod it too. Brace it, mod it, extra bearings.
16:22 Travis McElroy? Add some LEDs.
16:23 Griffin McElroy? Fatter bearings, LEDs.
16:25 Travis McElroy? Started with a yo-yo ball.
16:26 Travis McElroy? Cool babe tricks.
16:27 Travis McElroy? That's a, the yo-yo ball that comes back to you all the time.
16:29 Griffin McElroy? Now, that's interesting, cuz that's one of the worst ideas that you've done today. And it's because, did you know that a yo-yo ball is a toy invented by Satan to, to challenge us? And it makes kids see it and they say, I want that. And you say, cool, yeah, yo-yo ball? That's a staple in my youth. Let's grab it. But what you forget is that it's a heavy plastic ball that you throw. And then it actually, and they don't put this in the commercials, is designed to come right back at your teeth as fast and as hard as it possibly can. It's a plastic ball you throw that then comes right for your mouth to polish.
17:02 Travis McElroy? A self-inflicted mace.
17:03 Griffin McElroy? It's a mace. It's a morning star that you use on yourself. And it doesn't even look a little like yo-yoing.
17:10 Travis McElroy? Originally, a yo-yo griffin was a weapon. A yo-yo was designed to be at the top of a tree. And you would hide in the tree and then you would drop the tool and you would hit the person and then how you bring it back up.
17:23 Travis McElroy? Just like in Star Tropics.
17:25 Griffin McElroy? Just like, just like in Star Tropics.
17:26 Travis McElroy? Exactly.
17:27 Travis McElroy? But I don't think it was a weapon.
17:29 Griffin McElroy? I don't think they invented the yo-yo and the person who invented the weapon yo-yo was like, hey, guys, check this shit out. Wow, wow, wow, pal, in their own face to hurt themselves.
17:36 Travis McElroy? Probably the first time, though.
17:38 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
17:39 Travis McElroy? I don't think the first person to invent a yo-yo pulled off walk the dog the first time.
17:44 Griffin McElroy? It would be so cool if we never got weapons better than yo-yos. And so then all war was just sort of just doing.
17:53 Travis McElroy? And the second amendment was like, right to bear yo-yos?
17:56 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, but I think that would be better.
17:59 Travis McElroy? Yeah, Griffin, I actually do think that would be better. Is it just our country? Because I do think we will be beat up a lot. Or is it worldwide?
18:09 Travis McElroy? All the countries to agree on it.
18:10 Travis McElroy? Again, Griffin, let's say this, if it's just our country, we're going to need some very good yo-yos.
18:14 Travis McElroy? Or very big yo-yos.
18:16 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, and can't have any tight axles here because we're going up against.
18:19 Travis McElroy? The arms race is like, just keep making yo-yos bigger and bigger.
18:23 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:23 Travis McElroy? Until eventually they're like, you can't have that yo-yo is the size of a Volkswagen Beetle. You can't use that. It's a war crime to use that yo-yo.
18:32 Griffin McElroy? You can have like Duncan have its own paramilitary force that they, that they use mercenaries trained in the art of forbidden yo-yos with two strings.
18:41 Travis McElroy? Yo-Jos.
18:42 Griffin McElroy? Yo-Jos is good.
18:43 Travis McElroy? I'm kind of struggling a bit. Can I talk to you guys for a second?
18:45 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:46 Travis McElroy? Let's go over here.
18:46 Travis McElroy? I spent that time, I spent that time learning yo-yo tricks and I have not done a yo-yo trick. I have not touched a yo-yo in years.
18:53 Griffin McElroy? I know you have one.
18:54 Travis McElroy? Sitting here thinking like, a younger me, a different me.
18:58 Travis McElroy? A yo-younger you.
19:00 Travis McElroy? Would have gone to get the yo-yo and say like, for the, for the podcast, for the vine, I'll do it like, and I'm not, I'm clearly not. I'm not standing. I'm not going to get it.
19:09 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, I was surprised, dude.
19:11 Travis McElroy? I'm staying here, right?
19:12 Travis McElroy? You did see him that turn your shirt around. So like, we know that that.
19:16 Griffin McElroy? Are you afraid we'll see your back and see the design with your face on it and know that your shirt is backwards or is it an inside out?
19:23 Travis McElroy? Inside out, okay.
19:24 Travis McElroy? So that our faces are against your bosom.
19:26 Travis McElroy? So sorry, Trav, the cut wouldn't be flattering?
19:28 Griffin McElroy? You're right. I don't know what I was thinking. Hey, Justin, go get, go get your fucking yo-yo. Go get your shine box.
19:37 Travis McElroy? Okay, let me get, see, I don't even know if I have one. Sheesh.
19:40 Travis McElroy? Okay, this is the second time he's left.
19:43 Griffin McElroy? Well, he has to get his yo-yo because I want to see, I'm, I'll be honest, Travis, we just got back from what felt like our fourth tour in a month and a half. I'm feeling a little bit worn out, a little exhausted for this early morning.
19:55 Travis McElroy? And you think this yo-yo is gonna really pump it up?
19:56 Griffin McElroy? I think, I think a yo-yo trick would boost, in fucking 24K like he's serving right now.
20:02 Travis McElroy? Yeah, that's true.
20:02 Griffin McElroy? My fucking high bitrate, my high bitrate king. I can't wait to see this yo-yo.
20:07 Travis McElroy? 24 karat massive.
20:08 Griffin McElroy? See him, fuck it, 240 FPS. Oh, he couldn't find you.
20:12 Travis McElroy? I don't even have one. I don't even have one anymore.
20:14 Griffin McElroy? That's bullshit, dude. How do you?
20:15 Travis McElroy? I'm not gonna, I probably have some upstairs. I'm not gonna go upstairs and waste a bunch of pockets. Will you post it later, like on TikTok or something? No, the point is like I don't, what I was struggling with is like, why did I hyperfixate on? You know what I mean? Like, that's what I was angry about.
20:28 Travis McElroy? Because you can't control what you, if you could figure out how to decide what you hyperfixate on, we'd be unstoppable.
20:34 Griffin McElroy? Travis would be the wealthiest man in the, in the world.
20:37 Travis McElroy? I know, but if I'm gonna have the kind of brain that has, is gonna make me hyperfixate on stuff, it should, it should not be humbled in my older age to make it so that I don't seek out opportunities to yo-yo. You know what I mean? Like, I should, I should continue to want to display this, this.
20:56 Travis McElroy? Ah, what you're describing is a hobby.
20:58 Travis McElroy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but there's not so much guilt that I would hide all my yo-yos and never want to look at them again, right, Trav? Is that a hobby? That doesn't sound like a hobby to me.
21:09 Travis McElroy? No, I'm saying that if, what, what you had was a hyperfixation, which burns fast, burns bright.
21:16 Travis McElroy? Right.
21:16 Travis McElroy? You're talking about a lifelong interest in a thing that you demonstrate and practice regularly.
21:22 Travis McElroy? I'm looking for ashes. I'm looking for ashes where there is nothing, right, Travis? It just like, it was like a comet. I'm like.
21:27 Travis McElroy? Yes, burn fast, burn bright, burn out.
21:29 Travis McElroy? Hurricane season. It's just, it's not happening.
21:32 Travis McElroy? All of my loves, all of my hobbies, live fast, die young. You know what I mean? That's me. I have the James Dean of hobbies.
21:40 Travis McElroy? Sure, I gotta say though, Travis. You really delivered on leather work. You talked a lot about leather work. Yeah, man. And when that one paid off, that one hit big and was very impressive. Yeah. You really played it close. I'm so sad that I'll never do it again. Yeah. It's so sad to know.
21:54 Griffin McElroy? That's a 2025 thing, dude.
21:56 Travis McElroy? I know. I wish. I still have so much leather to use. I've spent so much on tools.
22:01 Griffin McElroy? He's got a big box of grommets that he's gonna throw in the dumpster.
22:04 Travis McElroy? Yeah. The key, the key time to make friends with one of us is right at the end of one of those cuz God almighty, am I looking to unload stuff? Dude, juiced. Anybody who makes a passing interest like, hey, you know, I've always kinda wanted to uh, pick up the yo-yo. Here's five. Here's five yo-yos. Take seven yo-yos. I never wanna see a yo-yo again. I'm so embarrassed. One of them is like handcrafted from an artisan who specializes in making yo-yos and I spent $5,000 on it. It's yours, please.
22:32 Griffin McElroy? I think, I don't know if Travis, that yo-yo you gave me cost $5,000. Are you serious?
22:38 Travis McElroy? Yeah, man.
22:40 Griffin McElroy? Thank you, man.
22:41 Travis McElroy? Yeah, that was made by Harold Duncan Senior. That was a Harold, that was an HTS. Yeah, man.
22:48 Griffin McElroy? I mean, it was made out of graphics cards, so that's why it was pretty uncomfortable.
22:52 Travis McElroy? That explains every time I did a walk the dog, a bitcoin fell up.
22:55 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, exactly.
22:57 Travis McElroy? That's why it was worth so much money.
22:58 Griffin McElroy? I don't know, I don't know if yo-yo is extra hard. I don't know if yo-yo is like more than other things beyond your ability, but I do think yo-yo belongs to a special class of skill or activity that is difficult to practice because after you do it uh, once or twice and you fail, you feel like the world's biggest asshole. Piano, I can sit down at and I can play my scales until they get good and I don't feel like an asshole the moment I mess up, but you drop a ball, the yo-yo don't come back up and you have to spend like 15 seconds winding it. I'm not gonna do that more than two or three times and so I'm simply never going to get better at it.
23:32 Travis McElroy? I mean, I've been trying to learn how to juggle for, I mean, it's been 11 years. I've had juggling balls like handy.
23:38 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
23:39 Travis McElroy? And I can do like, meh, five passes and then I'm done.
23:41 Griffin McElroy? Five is crazy, dude.
23:43 Travis McElroy? I will say that.
23:44 Griffin McElroy? I get three and I'm like, I'm juggling, baby. I'm juggling.
23:46 Travis McElroy? I get one and my brain gets so excited that my hands absolutely just.
23:50 Griffin McElroy? Every, Travis, every single fucking time, dude. Here's, here's a thought. I'm juggling, mama, look at me!
23:56 Travis McElroy? Yeah.
23:56 Griffin McElroy? Dad, fall, dad, dad, dad.
23:58 Travis McElroy? Two passes. I'm juggling, I'm dead. But this is when having hyper fixation brain is, is a great skill. Because like the other day, my kids got like a paddle ball game. I picked it up once. I was immediately bad at it. And I said, oh, this brings me no joy. And I had no desire to continue learning it whatsoever.
24:18 Griffin McElroy? I thought that was gonna go a different way.
24:19 Travis McElroy? I would have played with my kids, I think, in that case.
24:21 Travis McElroy? No, then I, then I just watched my kids do it and I'm like, have fun, guys. But if something doesn't immediately bring me joy.
24:27 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
24:27 Travis McElroy? I don't have to care about it anymore.
24:29 Griffin McElroy? That's what Marie Kondo says. She said, give them one shot.
24:32 Travis McElroy? One shot.
24:32 Griffin McElroy? She says, this, she says, everyone gets one shot and if not, you're gone forever.
24:37 Travis McElroy? I will say also, the, the one gag with yoyos, if you can do the one thing where you throw it at the ground and it stays down there for a bit.
24:45 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
24:45 Travis McElroy? You can do a whole fucking lot of stuff.
24:47 Griffin McElroy? That's the basis of most tricks.
24:48 Travis McElroy? All you gotta do is fuck around with the string and not do it so hard that the guy comes back up.
24:52 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
24:52 Travis McElroy? And then you can like twist it, you do walk the dogs, the same idea. It's all the same junk. It's just spinning.
24:58 Travis McElroy? Also, get like a, like a toothpick that you want in that cool leather jacket. And now you're just doing it on the street corner and I know you're waiting for something to go down.
25:06 Griffin McElroy? Is there an opportunity here for us to make a kind of like perfect synergistic? Like a hyper fixation kind of, um, like all day carry, all day. What's that called?
25:21 Travis McElroy? Everyday carry.
25:22 Griffin McElroy? Everyday carry situation where it is a yoyo, but it's also like on one side of it is.
25:27 Travis McElroy? Boy, you are really, you're a tough target to bring down, aren't you there, Jason Bourne? Can't remember the acronym for EDC. Griffin, highly muggable over here. If you needed a soft target.
25:36 Griffin McElroy? Good fucking luck. What do I have on me?
25:38 Travis McElroy? All day carry though.
25:39 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
25:39 Travis McElroy? There are things that I'm like, I can't put this down once.
25:43 Griffin McElroy? Uh, my glasses, I think is probably it. My guilt, my glasses. Yoyo on one side. Virtual pet on the other side. It's got, um, a lighter, maybe? It also does a lighter. And it's just like, all of these like cool little affectations, hobbies, fixations that you could do. Fidget. Well, no, cause I don't, you know, I guess it could be a spinner if you, if you want it to be, but I'm thinking beefy or something.
26:11 Travis McElroy? I mean, yoyos were the original spinner.
26:13 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, no, I know. And that's why I'm saying we should get one, but I guess I'm just saying there should be a yoyo with a giga pet in it. So what's, what else are we doing here today, guys?
26:24 Travis McElroy? Well, Griffin, I'm glad you asked. We're gonna take a quick trip to the money zone.
26:37 Griffin McElroy? A yo-yo that has a giga pet in it that like you feed by doing yo-yo tricks is so fucking insanely valuable of an idea.
26:45 Travis McElroy? No, it's great.
26:47 Travis McElroy? It's great, Griffin.
26:48 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, I know. I'm just saying, I feel bad that someone's gonna take-
26:51 Travis McElroy? But it's not funny, you know, like, great ideas aren't always funny.
26:55 Griffin McElroy? That's, that's true. That's true.
26:58 Travis McElroy? That's why we save those for the money zone.
27:01 Griffin McElroy? You're right.
27:01 Travis McElroy? You know-
27:02 Travis McElroy? It's not called the funny zone.
27:03 Griffin McElroy? No, we can be, we can really let our hair down and be pretty serious here.
27:07 Travis McElroy? It can get pretty tough to keep track of your money, dollars and cents. It's going in, it's going out. Where's it going?
27:14 Griffin McElroy? Yep.
27:14 Travis McElroy? Well, you need a friend. You need, hi, I'm Justin McRae, paid endorser for Rocket Money. You need a friend in your corner, somebody who's gonna be watching your transactions, someone who's gonna say, hey, did you forget about this subscription? I can cancel it for you, or at least try.
27:27 Travis McElroy? And Justin is willing to be that for you. Justin's gonna do that for each one of our listeners.
27:32 Travis McElroy? Justin's gonna fix your business. No, I'm, I am sadly announcing the closure of Justin's iFixit.
27:40 Griffin McElroy? I fix it.
27:41 Travis McElroy? Money, all-in-one financial accounting services.
27:44 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
27:44 Travis McElroy? I'm sorry-
27:45 Travis McElroy? And iPhone screen repair.
27:46 Travis McElroy? And iPhone screen repair.
27:50 Travis McElroy? Yes. Travis, my iPhone screen repair and money financial guy business is down the tubes because Rocket Money is putting me out of business.
27:59 Griffin McElroy? Oh, man.
28:00 Travis McElroy? These guys are using computers.
28:01 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
28:02 Travis McElroy? Oh, that's way back then.
28:04 Travis McElroy? Yeah, my yellow ledger, keep track of your finances in, is utterly humiliated by Rocket Money's ability to find subscriptions you forgot about and try to cancel them for you, to help you to balance your finances, to keep track of where your money's going, all that good stuff.
28:21 Griffin McElroy? Travis, one time, Justin's yellow ledger fell off his desk and it fell open and it was completely empty. And I was like, what the fuck is he doing in there?
28:28 Travis McElroy? It's terrifying, dude. Rocket Money has saved users over 2.5 billion, including over 880 million in canceled subscriptions alone. Their 10 million members save up to $740 a year when they use all the app's premium features. Well, this is weird, Griffin. I'm looking at Justin's yellow ledger right now and I have the moonlight reflected in the Osiris stone.
28:51 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
28:51 Travis McElroy? And it's a bunch of names and the worth of their souls next to.
28:56 Griffin McElroy? Okay, it was the Osiris stone that we were missing. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. Go to rocketmoney.com slash my brother today. I'm reading the ledger now. That's rocketmoney.com slash my brother. Rocketmoney.com slash my brother.
29:10 Travis McElroy? Griffin, your name's in here.
29:13 Griffin McElroy? Yes, and my, don't tell everybody my soul value, because it's embarrassing.
29:17 Travis McElroy? 53 cents.
29:19 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
29:20 Travis McElroy? Man, I wish I hadn't worked so hard in that last ad, because this next ad is for Smalls, and I'm gonna work a lot on this one, too.
29:26 Griffin McElroy? The biggest Smalls head, like ever.
29:27 Travis McElroy? Smalls, but the fact is, I want to talk about Smalls, because my cats love it so. I have, I have a much better relationship with my cat.
29:34 Travis McElroy? You say Smalls is killing you?
29:38 Griffin McElroy? I don't think they would want that, man.
29:39 Travis McElroy? Yeah, because that's kind of a negative connotation, man.
29:41 Travis McElroy? You're killing me, Smalls, you know?
29:43 Travis McElroy? You guys remember that?
29:45 Travis McElroy? No, yeah.
29:45 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, totally, but I don't think they, they probably don't like it. Like, if you call your company Smalls, you probably learn to not like when people say that.
29:51 Travis McElroy? What about, you're saving me, Smalls?
29:53 Griffin McElroy? That's cool.
29:54 Travis McElroy? You're protecting me, Smalls. You've, you're putting your body between me and danger, Smalls.
30:00 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
30:00 Travis McElroy? Yeah, so the cats love this stuff. They got Smooth Bird, Smooth Other Bird, Smooth Pig, no matter which animal you want smoothed up, Smalls is gonna do it for you. They're gonna put it in, uh, ship it to you. Smooth. It arrives frozen. You get the amount of food you need, right? You defrost what you need, so it's fresh when your cats want it and it's ready, and they really, really like it. They will bother me in the morning until they get to enjoy it.
30:25 Travis McElroy? Smooth criminals.
30:27 Griffin McElroy? They will do that.
30:30 Griffin McElroy? They'll serve you criminals.
30:32 Travis McElroy? You know.
30:33 Travis McElroy? But all smoothed up.
30:34 Travis McElroy? You know how hard it is to do two ads back to back.
30:37 Griffin McElroy? I know, man. Travis and I are trying to help. Travis and I are trying to help and hop.
30:41 Travis McElroy? No, but it's just not, it's not helping. It's not. Well, whatever you do, the call to action.
30:45 Travis McElroy? Smooth move.
30:46 Griffin McElroy? What are you waiting for? Give your cat the food that they deserve.
30:49 Travis McElroy? The song Smooth by Rob Thomas and Santana.
30:52 Travis McElroy? You're not doing a good enough job because you're just reading it like a cat food ad. This is important. What are you waiting for? Give your cat the food they deserve. For a limited time, because you're a Mabim Bam listener, you get 60% off your first order plus free shipping. When you head to smallest.com slash my brother. One last time, that's 60% off your first order. Plus free shipping when you head to smallest.com slash my brother.
31:16 Travis McElroy? Cause you're so smooth and they sell you smooth burn to feed to your cat.
31:26 Travis McElroy? Okay, um.
31:27 Griffin McElroy? Wow, I'm watching the subscriber.
31:29 Travis McElroy? Delicious.
31:29 Griffin McElroy? Damn, the subscriber count going down?
31:31 Travis McElroy? That.
31:31 Griffin McElroy? This isn't even live. No one's hearing this as we record it. How is the subscriber count plummeting?
31:36 Travis McElroy? Damn it.
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33:07 Travis McElroy? Now, Justin, I see there that you have a yo-yo.
33:12 Travis McElroy? I didn't want to talk about it, but yes, I did find one during the break, Travis.
33:15 Travis McElroy? You didn't want to talk about it, but you came in carrying it.
33:18 Travis McElroy? Yeah, well, I guess you're right. Yeah, I found one. I had one upstairs.
33:23 Griffin McElroy? Is that like a tin Christmas yo-yo? What kind of yo-yo is that?
33:26 Travis McElroy? This is a magic yo-yo.
33:27 Griffin McElroy? Magic yo-yo? Hold on, dude.
33:30 Travis McElroy? What? In what way?
33:32 Griffin McElroy? I feel like you're trying to trick me or something, dude.
33:35 Travis McElroy? No, no, no, I got it.
33:35 Griffin McElroy? Are you about to like try to sell it to us for a lot of money?
33:38 Travis McElroy? Oh, I would never. No, I would never.
33:40 Griffin McElroy? He couldn't part with his magic yo-yo.
33:42 Travis McElroy? No, no, no, no, a magic yo-yo.
33:43 Griffin McElroy? Well, at least let me.
33:44 Travis McElroy? Other yo-yos, maybe, but.
33:45 Travis McElroy? At least let me make an offer.
33:48 Travis McElroy? I can't.
33:49 Travis McElroy? Five thousand dollars.
33:50 Travis McElroy? You're embarrassed.
33:50 Griffin McElroy? Looks like you have the loop maybe sized for one of your kids.
33:54 Travis McElroy? Sorry, it's a sliding loop. Are you?
33:57 Travis McElroy? Why are you talking about the visual? Justin, he doesn't understand.
33:59 Griffin McElroy? I don't really know much about.
34:00 Travis McElroy? So look, so this is a loop, right? See, I made a loop for my finger.
34:04 Griffin McElroy? Oh, so it can slide. You've made a snare. Okay.
34:07 Travis McElroy? I'm gonna stand up. I haven't tried.
34:09 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
34:10 Travis McElroy? I'm gonna see what I can.
34:10 Griffin McElroy? And we'll describe it. Sorry, this has been a really visual episode, but that's, I mean, Justin's new desk is a celebration.
34:17 Travis McElroy? Justin's a video-forward person.
34:18 Griffin McElroy? Here we go. Okay, can't see it higher. Wow, it's, wow, he's sleeping. It's hanging, dangling. He's got, he did the thing and it went right into his fucking hand. Yeah, I haven't done this in years. Make it roll down, though. Make it grind down your headphones wire. That shit would be so dope. Oh, he's got it in the cradle. He's got the baby in the cradle. He gets it back up. He's throwing. He yoink it back down. He throw it back up. Now go back down. Oh, shit. He's the world's strongest man.
34:48 Travis McElroy? It's his muscle and it's back to his hand.
34:50 Griffin McElroy? And, oh, good recovery. He beefed it, but then he pulled it back up. Now.
34:54 Travis McElroy? Even that's part of the trick.
34:56 Travis McElroy? Justin, you're ready to start telling kids not to do drugs.
34:59 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, man.
35:00 Travis McElroy? Okay, it's the cradle again.
35:01 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, well, you just saw the cradle.
35:03 Travis McElroy? Again, like it's that easy.
35:05 Travis McElroy? I mean, it's just, you already showed us that one.
35:07 Travis McElroy? That's the only ones I know.
35:08 Griffin McElroy? You got, you can.
35:08 Travis McElroy? Walk the dog.
35:09 Griffin McElroy? DNA it. Do DNA.
35:12 Travis McElroy? The dog got away.
35:13 Griffin McElroy? The dog ran away, dude.
35:14 Travis McElroy? That's runaway dog. That's runaway dog is a cool.
35:16 Griffin McElroy? Juice, that looks awesome, man. You still got it.
35:19 Travis McElroy? Yeah, imagine my relief, dude. I used to be able to do a lot more tricks, but honestly, in the studio, wait, his?
35:24 Griffin McElroy? Gotta be careful. Yeah.
35:25 Travis McElroy? Can't take the risk, you know?
35:26 Travis McElroy? Expensive equipment in there.
35:28 Travis McElroy? Sure, man. Yeah.
35:31 Travis McElroy? All right. So
35:33 Griffin McElroy? Did you get out of breath?
35:33 Travis McElroy? Did you get heartburn from that?
35:36 Griffin McElroy? Was it heartburn or out of breath from YoYo? Which one was it? What are you doing?
35:40 Travis McElroy? Nostalgia?
35:41 Travis McElroy? Nostalgia burns sometimes.
35:42 Griffin McElroy? Makes your tummy hurt?
35:44 Travis McElroy? My friend recently completed her first marathon. After cheering her on as spectators, my four-year-old daughter was so excited about it. She told me she was going to draw a congratulations picture for my runner friend. She drew a stack of pictures while I was busy. I grabbed the most polished of the lot and gave it to my friend the next day. It was a picture of Saturn. And it had some letters next to it and a pretty shockingly good stab at the word Saturn next to it. Brothers, my husband drew the picture and most of the letters. I just gave my friend a picture of Saturn. My 34-year-old husband drew in crayon. Help. That's from doodled out in Timor.
36:18 Griffin McElroy? That's okay.
36:20 Griffin McElroy? That's okay. That's a sweet gift regardless of who it came from. It's still like sweet that someone did a drawing for someone else. I assume your friend is either named Saturn or maybe they have a like they have, they have, they like Saturn. Love the, they're a fan of the planet. The planet is like one of their faves.
36:38 Travis McElroy? I think the problem here is that when you are judging a child's drawing, especially a four-year-old versus a 34-year-old, there's different subjective criteria that one would use to be like, this is amazing versus like, oh, you did your best, right? And if you reveal after they've been very impressed by this pretty good drawing of Saturn, and then you're like, actually, that was my husband drew that. It might take something away.
37:04 Travis McElroy? I usually, I will say that don't judge too harshly because I am usually trying to like, keep my light under a bushel a little bit when I'm drawing with the kids. You know, I don't want them to get discouraged when they see me drawing Saturn and they're like, God, I'll never.
37:17 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
37:17 Travis McElroy? Never.
37:18 Travis McElroy? Do you ever find yourself drawing with the kids and you draw something and about three quarters of the way through, you suddenly are struck by how proud you are of the thing you're drawing? And you're like, man, I hope I get a really good, I drew a kick-ass like healer family.
37:33 Griffin McElroy? Oh, wow.
37:34 Travis McElroy? Yeah. And I was like, everybody stop what you're doing. Hey, look at this. Look how good this is.
37:40 Griffin McElroy? Yeah. I would love to be able to draw and be able to draw something other than just like a dog's face.
37:46 Travis McElroy? Like a good drawer.
37:47 Griffin McElroy? Like a good drawer and not even a good drawer, like can do a bait. Like if you asked me to draw right now an apple, the result would be humiliating. And that's like one of God's most basic fruits.
37:58 Travis McElroy? Draw it upside down.
38:01 Griffin McElroy? What?
38:02 Travis McElroy? So it's a technique used because we in our heads have developed images of how things are supposed to look.
38:09 Griffin McElroy? And so I'm sorry, as sorry. Yeah, you understand that as Travis is saying this, you need to get out of pen and paper and attempt. I have E Ink, so all.
38:18 Travis McElroy? Yeah, so we get these things. It's like, you know, when you draw a house, right? Everybody starts to default to like triangle roof, rectangle windows, right? Instead of drawing what an actual house looks like because we have shorthand images in our head. And we are often trapped in those images and it's difficult to make a real thing. So by drawing it upside down, you remove that subconscious bias of what things look like. And you start to actually think about the lines of the thing you're drawing, what the thing looks like.
38:49 Griffin McElroy? God.
38:52 Travis McElroy? Griffin is about to show us an apple that is going to absolutely knock us off our ass.
38:58 Travis McElroy? Yeah, we're gonna shit.
38:59 Griffin McElroy? Holy shit.
39:01 Travis McElroy? He's doing it.
39:04 Travis McElroy? He's doing it. Look. Oh, my God.
39:07 Griffin McElroy? Uh huh.
39:08 Travis McElroy? He's doing it. How do you like these apples?
39:10 Griffin McElroy? Now, at this point, it's gotten to a joke because I feel like maybe it's not gonna be a great picture of an apple.
39:14 Travis McElroy? Justin?
39:15 Travis McElroy? I work hard on it.
39:17 Travis McElroy? He's doing a good job.
39:18 Travis McElroy? You work hard on jokes sometimes.
39:19 Griffin McElroy? But the problem is that the screen, I think, changes based on how it's like tilted. So the apple's gonna look upside down no matter what.
39:27 Travis McElroy? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:30 Travis McElroy? That's a pretty good apple.
39:32 Travis McElroy? I mean, it's really not bad, Griff. It looks better. It looks better.
39:35 Griffin McElroy? It's auto correcting. It's fucking stuck.
39:37 Travis McElroy? Anus at the bottom. We can look at it upside down. We know. Now it's so close to the anus. Now get back from the anus, please.
39:45 Griffin McElroy? That's the bottom of the apple. The bottom of the apple has.
39:49 Travis McElroy? The bottom of the.
39:50 Travis McElroy? You're not supposed to do that.
39:51 Griffin McElroy? The bottom of the.
39:51 Travis McElroy? Stop turning it.
39:53 Griffin McElroy? The bottom of the apple is where the, I don't know what the fuck's going on down there, but he's got a little, like a little hole. Um, that's. Trav, that's really strong. That's really powerful. Thank you for that tip.
40:03 Travis McElroy? Yeah.
40:04 Griffin McElroy? We're all, we're all just like, I love this being a space of self-improvement. And where we can yo-yo and we can draw and we can have fun and like. Create.
40:12 Travis McElroy? I mean, we've forgotten how to create, I think.
40:14 Griffin McElroy? I feel like maybe that's, maybe that's true.
40:17 Travis McElroy? Now, do you just mean the three of us?
40:19 Travis McElroy? Yes.
40:19 Travis McElroy? Oh, okay.
40:20 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, not like America. He's not like.
40:22 Travis McElroy? No, no, no. Look on TikTok, man. People are making.
40:24 Travis McElroy? Yeah, that's true.
40:26 Travis McElroy? Yeah, it's been us.
40:28 Griffin McElroy? How about another question?
40:29 Travis McElroy? I love that. I needed cilantro for a recipe, so I walked to the grocery store to get some, but they were out. On my way back home, I passed the herb garden of a local elementary school. I make this walk all the time and in retrospect, I've always noticed that these herbs appear poorly tended.
40:46 Griffin McElroy? You just realized.
40:47 Travis McElroy? Nah, I just. And are often going to seed or otherwise seem uncared for. So I reached through the fence and yanked out a clump. Is it okay to steal from children if they don't seem to respect God's gifts? That's from the Brooklyn Bambino Burger. Did anybody else think that when they were like, I noticed that these plants weren't very well tended? I, there was some small part of me that thought like, so I took them under my wing and I started growing them and helping them to find their.
41:10 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
41:11 Travis McElroy? No, you just grabbed a big handful, huh?
41:13 Griffin McElroy? Cause you got, you got big pesto plans. Well, sorry, kids. Sorry, kids, I've got noodles and nothing else going for them. So I need these more than you do.
41:24 Travis McElroy? Sorry, kids. I, I mean, I think I'm, I'm maybe unorthodox about this. But here's my opinion. I think if it's growing in the land.
41:34 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
41:35 Travis McElroy? We, nobody owns the sun. Nobody owns the dirt. If it's growing in the land, it's all of ours.
41:42 Griffin McElroy? No, well, no, not in.
41:44 Travis McElroy? Maybe that's a little bit far to take it.
41:46 Griffin McElroy? I mean, it's absolutely deranged what you said, cause that means you can just go to farm and like, get it, get it.
41:53 Travis McElroy? They're not gonna notice one corn gone. You are talking about ethics. What I'm talking, you're talking about the law. I'm talking about ethics. There's no, there's no farm guards.
42:02 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
42:03 Travis McElroy? In the scenario I'm describing, you have an armed battalion.
42:08 Griffin McElroy? Whoa.
42:09 Travis McElroy? Defending the, the cilantro.
42:10 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
42:11 Travis McElroy? If there's nobody defending mine.
42:12 Griffin McElroy? If the need is there, obviously, yeah, I mean, it should be, it should be, um, yeah. No kids are gonna notice this unless it's someone's science experiment. That's a real danger you didn't even think about.
42:23 Travis McElroy? I think if you went to the cilantro farms and you were stopped by a garden and he said, halt citizen, dis- exploit your business. And you're like, I just need some cilantro. I want some.
42:34 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
42:34 Travis McElroy? Like a reasonable amount? Like a handful. I feel like if you're, they would give you some. Like that's not gonna move the needle for them.
42:41 Griffin McElroy? Yeah. You've taken such an extreme position so quickly that I feel like your brain began showing you illusions, beautiful illusions of things that don't exist, like cilantro guards.
42:52 Travis McElroy? Don't let me be a cautionary tale, people. Don't end up like me. You gotta have your head on a
42:56 Griffin McElroy? It was really instant too, because you were like, I think, one, I think it's okay to grab this cilantro. Two, there are armed guards at every cilantro farm.
43:04 Travis McElroy? It's become almost like a post-apocalyptic thing where cilantro has become money.
43:09 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
43:10 Travis McElroy? And like, there's a Fort Knox of cilantro with guards and like a year in town, but instead of going to the bathroom, it's cilantro.
43:19 Griffin McElroy? I wanna make something very clear to everybody who does not have elementary school aged children. When you see produce in the garden, that is like a class project. It ain't usually the kids who are getting those buds and those fruits to come up out of the ground out of nothing. That's mostly an adult, that is mostly an adult job. There's nuance to that process that a lot of kids aren't gonna be able to to handle. So do know that you're not stealing from children. You are stealing from some adult and maybe this, this moment in the garden is the highlight of their day.
43:52 Travis McElroy? Yeah, I bet it's also, it's interesting. You know, question asker, you talk about how, how, let me see if you see, they seem, uh, in retrospect, I always noticed that these herbs appear poorly tended and are often going to seed or otherwise seem uncared for. You know what would probably discourage me as a plant tender? When people keep reaching through the fence and helping themselves to goddamn handfuls of my cilantro.
44:18 Griffin McElroy? The fences, the fences, the fence is a bit of a deal breaker, huh?
44:23 Travis McElroy? The fence is rough, man. I, I feel like you're not contributing. Sorry. I feel like you're not contributing to the overall health of the cilantro patch.
44:31 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
44:32 Travis McElroy? And maybe you are making it look not even worse than it already does.
44:35 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
44:35 Travis McElroy? Take a cilantro, leave a cilantro, is what Justin's saying. Yeah, or at least some seeds.
44:40 Griffin McElroy? Yeah. Yeah.
44:42 Travis McElroy? Why'd they put the cilantro so close to the fence?
44:45 Griffin McElroy? Fucking honeypot. John Cimone's is watching, waiting.
44:49 Travis McElroy? They're not learning about gardening. They're learning about sting operations.
44:52 Griffin McElroy? Yeah. Yeah.
44:54 Travis McElroy? It's a plant. I recently, I don't know if you guys knew this, I recently had, found myself having a cry sesh in the car and stopped in the Wendy's drive thru for a pick me up.
45:04 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
45:04 Travis McElroy? It was obvious that I had been crying, but the lady at the drive thru window didn't treat me any differently than normal. Guys, if people at the windows, sorry, if people at the Wendy's windows are gonna start treating people different because they've been crying, that's gonna be an exhausting day for them. They can't handle that emotional up and down.
45:18 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
45:19 Travis McElroy? Okay, they're gonna see a lot of people crying today. They can't, they can't open up a vein for everybody that, that rolls through. It's obvious I've been crying. The lady at the drive thru window didn't treat me any differently than normal. It was nice, but I kinda wish she had felt a little bad for me and given me some nuggets for my troubles. Is there any way I can make myself look more pitiable in the drive thru? And which fast food chain drive thru seems most charitable?
45:41 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
45:41 Travis McElroy? That's from McCharity Case in Columbus. Thank you.
45:44 Griffin McElroy? That's awesome.
45:45 Travis McElroy? That's a good one.
45:46 Griffin McElroy? That's a good one because it is extremely relatable.
45:52 Travis McElroy? Yeah.
45:52 Griffin McElroy? To, I, it makes me so deeply uncomfortable when someone leverages some kind of personal difficulty or hardship into some sort of goodwill currency that benefits them vis a vis free nuggets for crying in the car. My fear is that if you codify that too much, then people are going to start making themselves cry so they can get free nuggets at Wendy's.
46:18 Travis McElroy? You can't institutionalize kindness like this. It has to be spontaneous.
46:22 Griffin McElroy? Has to be, has to be.
46:23 Travis McElroy? The problem is, it's a, it's tough to communicate with the audio of the drive thru that you've had a hard time and that you're going to need some nuggets for it, right?
46:33 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
46:33 Travis McElroy? Cause I don't think you can eat, maybe with your order, maybe it's like, I'll take a hamburger and, oh, no wait, that was Steven's favorite. I like chicken. You know what I mean? Like, put a little narrative in there.
46:45 Griffin McElroy? That's, uh, that's dense.
46:49 Travis McElroy? It's a lot to chew on.
46:50 Griffin McElroy? It's a bit dense to drop, because that's usually like the, one of the first things you say over the loudspeaker. It is like, usually it's, hi, welcome to Wendy's, and you would say like, uh, give me just a minute, please? And then you would say, let me get it. And then, then you say, give me a hamburger. No, that was Steven's favorite. I like chicken.
47:07 Travis McElroy? The idea that I would, dude, are you serious? The idea that I at the drive thru window would say, give me just a minute, please? Are you fucking crazy?
47:15 Griffin McElroy? You don't do.
47:15 Travis McElroy? It's my time.
47:17 Griffin McElroy? You never have other people in the car?
47:20 Travis McElroy? I have to be, do you remember how that used to get?
47:22 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
47:23 Travis McElroy? In the car?
47:23 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
47:24 Travis McElroy? Apparently that's just genetic and it sucks, but I've inherited it. I can't drive through ordering. I've become the world's worst man.
47:31 Griffin McElroy? You just have to blast, you have to blast through it in one go. No time for deliberation.
47:35 Travis McElroy? I need everybody. I'm as I am pulling up usually about two blocks away.
47:40 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
47:40 Travis McElroy? That's when the conversation begins. I want, and the orders are in.
47:44 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
47:45 Travis McElroy? Before I see a sign.
47:46 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
47:46 Travis McElroy? We're locked. Okay. Call me Mr. Berzai. It's for Rosen.
47:50 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
47:51 Travis McElroy? Okay. No, thank you, kid.
47:52 Travis McElroy? I don't want to name names, but there is another adult in my family unit. Who is often in the car with me and my kids when we go through the drive through. I don't want to name names.
48:04 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
48:04 Travis McElroy? But she, I think has what Dana Carvey had in Clean Slate about the Wendy's drive through menu.
48:12 Griffin McElroy? Good.
48:12 Travis McElroy? Where she needs, she needs to see it fresh every time.
48:17 Griffin McElroy? What if they have new shit?
48:18 Travis McElroy? No, no Travis, that's, you sound so stupid dude. The Wendy's menu is always changing. If she doesn't take the time to peruse, how's she gonna know about the mozzarella pretzel burger?
48:28 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
48:29 Travis McElroy? Excellent point, Justin.
48:30 Griffin McElroy? Gotta know the latest stuff.
48:32 Travis McElroy? What if Wednesday has a new milkshake?
48:34 Travis McElroy? That's my time to chat with the drive through person while she decides and tell them about all the hard stuff I'm going through.
48:41 Travis McElroy? She should be looking this up on her phone before, before you even go. She should be on her phone looking this.
48:46 Travis McElroy? I'll let this hypothetical person know that that's your advice, Justin.
48:49 Griffin McElroy? What's the softest fast food brand? Who's, which fast food brand is gonna, is gonna give you the most for your tears?
48:56 Travis McElroy? I was, my first gut said White Castle.
49:00 Griffin McElroy? No, they're too, they're too like Bing Bang Boom. They have like two things on the menu. They want to get you in and out as quick as possible. They're not going to give you nothing.
49:07 Travis McElroy? And Arby's?
49:09 Griffin McElroy? Arby's.
49:10 Travis McElroy? Arby's would try to give you more and you'd be like, um, I actually, this is as much as I need. But they have a history of slipping an extra curly in a regular fry or some regular fries in a box of curly.
49:23 Travis McElroy? Occasional bagel, that's true.
49:25 Travis McElroy? Yeah, they, they, they're giving out freebies left and right.
49:28 Griffin McElroy? I think Jack in the Box. I think Jack in the Box, Jack in the Box, fun food and.
49:35 Travis McElroy? And cheap food. They can give you a taco for 50 cents.
49:38 Griffin McElroy? That's exactly it. They've got, they've got fun shit just lying around. They'll, they'll pitch something at you if they think you're having a tough one.
49:44 Travis McElroy? I feel like Popeyes, especially red beans and rice. To me, I feel like if you ask really nicely, that's free.
49:52 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
49:52 Travis McElroy? Like if you, if you're like, I really need.
49:54 Griffin McElroy? I'm really do, super.
49:56 Travis McElroy? I'll tell you where you're not getting anything for a hard time. Taco Bell. Because no one's going through Taco Bell on the best day of their life. Yeah, you're here. Yeah, we know. Yeah, man. We know. You made, and I know you didn't have a big graduation today. Weird. I'm saying that at best Taco Bell is a little reward or treat or cheer me up that you're getting for yourself. Yeah. Right? You're at Taco Bell. You are already, you have, you have already done the self-care for them, right?
50:25 Griffin McElroy? Right.
50:26 Travis McElroy? This, this is the end of the road on self-care. You already needed this.
50:30 Griffin McElroy? Nowhere else to go.
50:31 Travis McElroy? Taking care of it already.
50:32 Griffin McElroy? I'm trying to sit in farther away from the mic just so I can be kinda like one of the boys, like one of the guys.
50:38 Travis McElroy? How's it feeling?
50:39 Griffin McElroy? I mean, I am so far from my computer that I can't read the words on it anymore.
50:44 Travis McElroy? Yeah.
50:45 Griffin McElroy? But I do feel like more, Travis, you can't zoom in now. How?
50:50 Travis McElroy? That's like, you gotta understand. How far can I go? Audio podcast.
50:54 Griffin McElroy? I know, dude.
50:55 Travis McElroy? How far can I go? The Halloween, be, listen, the Halloween I've been, this Halloween I've been. I can go into four, four times zoom? All right. This Halloween, I've been toying with the idea of being the Grinch. Unfortunately, being the Grinch for Halloween seems like a full performance, tiptoeing around being a nuisance and other Grinchly behavior. I'm already pre, I'm a pretty fun-loving guy, so being a grump doesn't come naturally to me, and I have no acting background. How can I better prepare myself for the coming days to be able to pull off a Grinch costume, or I'm doomed to just be a boring green bummer? That's sort of nervous Nellie in Norwalk. P.S. I already spent a hundred fifty dollars on the costume.
51:25 Griffin McElroy? Cool.
51:26 Travis McElroy? Okay.
51:26 Griffin McElroy? Glad that you included that. It does.
51:28 Travis McElroy? Camel Knights, several years ago, we had a very realistic Grinch.
51:33 Griffin McElroy? Okay.
51:33 Travis McElroy? Remember it came out and kidnapped Dwight?
51:35 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
51:35 Travis McElroy? And this very realistic Grinch, I will say, did a lot of realistic actions. And a lot of realistic motions, once they became the Grinch. And I will say that no one liked it. That had to be near it.
51:51 Griffin McElroy? No.
51:51 Travis McElroy? No.
51:51 Griffin McElroy? Kids.
51:52 Travis McElroy? We didn't like.
51:52 Griffin McElroy? Kids, but also grownups. No.
51:55 Travis McElroy? Grownups, nobody liked it. Very impressive. But when they would get into the full.
52:01 Travis McElroy? I've been raised from childhood to be afraid of this guy.
52:03 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
52:04 Travis McElroy? You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't feel good.
52:05 Travis McElroy? I will say this, what you're forgetting is there are two parts to the Grinch's journey.
52:11 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
52:12 Travis McElroy? Yes, yes, there's the, the curmudgeonly grumpy Grinch.
52:16 Griffin McElroy? Right.
52:17 Travis McElroy? And then there's the heart three sizes Grinch.
52:19 Griffin McElroy? Oh, this is the Grinch after he gets saved.
52:21 Travis McElroy? I'm, yes, I'm saying.
52:22 Griffin McElroy? Born again.
52:23 Travis McElroy? Reformed Grinch behavior.
52:25 Travis McElroy? I wish the movie went a little bit longer.
52:28 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
52:28 Travis McElroy? Cause I would love for the Grinch to, after 20 minutes, be like, well.
52:33 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
52:34 Travis McElroy? This has been fun.
52:36 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
52:37 Travis McElroy? Okay.
52:38 Griffin McElroy? That movie, if it went on for.
52:39 Travis McElroy? Bye.
52:40 Travis McElroy? We're gonna start small, a little change every day.
52:43 Travis McElroy? Been great. I've lived all alone.
52:45 Griffin McElroy? Right.
52:46 Travis McElroy? For 50 years. I need to go, or I'm gonna scream.
52:50 Griffin McElroy? There's, if there's 20 more minutes on that movie, the movie ends with them having the roast beast, and they're all having their big meal and having a great time. 20 more minutes runtime gets us, Grinch finishes his meal, goes, oh, I'm stuffed. I'm gonna, I'm gonna get some rest, guys. I'm pretty worn out from all the Christmas celebrations. But he can't because of their Bing Bang Boomers and their Zip Zappers and their Troubadings, their Bloopers. And it's like.
53:13 Travis McElroy? He's trying to sleep.
53:15 Griffin McElroy? Yeah. Oh, oh, that's right. That's, this fucking sucks.
53:18 Travis McElroy? I still hate it.
53:19 Griffin McElroy? I fucking hate, I need rest. I'm so tired. That's why. That's right.
53:24 Travis McElroy? I was up all night stealing your stuff and then bringing it back. I'm exhausted.
53:28 Griffin McElroy? I'm fucking tired.
53:29 Travis McElroy? You come downstairs at like 3:00 in the morning and the Grinch who you asked to stay with you as your guest is putting all of your presents into a bag. It's like you prom.
53:37 Griffin McElroy? You promised me.
53:38 Travis McElroy? You said you were done.
53:39 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
53:40 Travis McElroy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just the loud ones, though. You can keep the slippers and the robe and stuff.
53:45 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
53:45 Travis McElroy? The fling lacs and the snooze bats and all that stuff. That's all good. Just throw away the alarm clocks.
53:50 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
53:51 Travis McElroy? Right? And the whiz trumpets.
53:54 Travis McElroy? The whiz trumpets. Put those in the whiz garbage.
53:57 Travis McElroy? Thank you.
53:58 Travis McElroy? Hey, thanks so much for listening to our podcast. We, we hope you've enjoyed it. We hope you've enjoyed yourself while you're listening to it. We hope you shouted some of your own jokes as we encourage you to.
54:09 Griffin McElroy? Do we? Do we? I mean, I guess in when it's not a live show, go ahead. But I don't want to train people into that particular.
54:17 Travis McElroy? That's true.
54:18 Griffin McElroy? That behavior. Um, hey, we have some new merch over at McRoyMerch.com that we would love for you to, uh, to go check out. I'm pretty sure you can still get that hunger beanie, which looks rad. Prep yourself for the cold winter months. Uh, speaking of the cold winter months, we're coming back to Huntington for Candle Nights, baby.
54:36 Travis McElroy? That's right.
54:37 Griffin McElroy? Home for the Honda days. December 6th at 7:00 PM Eastern Time, we're going to be performing at the Keith Albee in Huntington, West Virginia, doing our Candle Nights spectacular. We're also going to be recording it for video. And there's going to be a digital premiere of the recording of the show on December 19th at 9:00 PM Eastern Time. We're going to be in the chat for that. Um, and all the proceeds from, from Candle Nights, as always, will be donated to Harmony House, which seeks to end homelessness in the Huntington area through permanent housing and supportive service programs. Bit.ly/candlenights2025 is where you can go get your ticket for the show or for the live streaming version.
55:14 Travis McElroy? Important to note, your in-person ticket also includes the stream ticket.
55:18 Griffin McElroy? Yes, absolutely. Um, and yeah, it's going to be a hoot. We're really excited. It's been a minute.
55:24 Travis McElroy? Uh, also November 3rd, so I think that's next Monday. Yes. Um, at noon Eastern Time, Champions Grove for 2026 goes on sale. Um, come hang out with us at Ravenwood Castle in Hocking Hills, Ohio, for a weekend full of, uh, gaming and hanging out with people at Fun and Fence and get to meet some, uh, RPG, TTRPG creators and.
55:52 Travis McElroy? Dress up and have fun at a castle in the woods. You can go to championsgrove.com to get all the information. One more time, tickets go on sale on November 3rd at noon Eastern time. Championsgrove.com. Okay, this is also extremely important. If you go to, I'm in a pumpkin carving competition. It continues until Halloween. If you go to givebutter.com slash HCMVIPs. That's Heinz and Child's Museum. It's a fundraiser for them. I carved a pumpkin. I'm currently, and I don't want to worry anybody. I'm currently being beaten by Tony Stroud, who's the chief legal officer at Marshall University. He says that he, in his bio, says he has no artistic ability. So if I get beaten by him, I don't need to tell you how hard that will hurt.
56:37 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
56:38 Travis McElroy? So please support the museum, but most importantly, help me beat Tony Stroud, a stranger I've decided to make an enemy of.
56:46 Griffin McElroy? Tony Stroud.
56:47 Travis McElroy? Nope.
56:48 Griffin McElroy? Nope. Tony Stroud carved this pumpkin in a cave. Hey, do you guys?
56:54 Travis McElroy? Do you guys? Has, Tony Stroud falls asleep with nightmares about me in his mind.
57:00 Griffin McElroy? Whoa.
57:00 Travis McElroy? I.
57:01 Griffin McElroy? Oh, you're deep in there, huh?
57:03 Travis McElroy? I don't know Tony that well, so I, I don't know.
57:05 Griffin McElroy? I don't know that you should say what you just said then, man.
57:07 Travis McElroy? Yeah, I maybe I do need to take that back. Tony Stroud, I take that back.
57:12 Griffin McElroy? Yeah.
57:12 Travis McElroy? I'm sorry, you're currently beating me, so you clearly have a lot of powerful friends and I don't want them to.
57:17 Griffin McElroy? And I think it's entirely possible. Justin is having Tony Stroud based nightmares and he didn't want to like, he's embarrassed.
57:22 Travis McElroy? I'm saying Tony Stroud has the juice in my town to have me killed if I get out of line. So I would love it if you would go to HCM, sorry, givebutter.com.
57:32 Griffin McElroy? Yeah. Hey, your internal temp got a little high there.
57:36 Travis McElroy? All right, good to know. Well, that's perfect timing. That's gonna do it for us for this week. Did you say, say thanks to Montane?
57:42 Griffin McElroy? No, thanks to Montane for the use for a theme song. My Life Is Better With You. It's a great track. Justin's camera got so hot that it stopped working, which is, I'll say, a flaw in the new system, maybe.
57:52 Travis McElroy? Well, as long as you don't podcast for so fucking long, dude.
57:57 Travis McElroy? What you did for an hour and one minute, man?
57:59 Griffin McElroy? Yeah, it's out of sight. Uh, here's a, here's a final fear for us to read. Uh, here it goes. "I want to be faster than my fear of the ghost woman in the movie Talk To Me, who sucks on a guy's toes in his sleep." Sounds pretty, that sounds like, uh, yeah, that's fear.
58:14 Travis McElroy? My name's Justin McElroy.
58:15 Griffin McElroy? I'm Travis McElroy. I'm Griffin McElroy.
58:17 Travis McElroy? This has been My Brother, My Brother, Me, Kiss Your Dad, Squirt.
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