337. The Unsuspected Killer - The Murder of Savannah Anderson

On this episode, Garrett and Payton cover the case of Savannah Anderson. When she suddenly misses work, a welfare check leads police to a shocking discovery. Links: Netflix Video Every Monday @11am PST, 12pm MST, 2pm EST 1pm CST https://www.netflix.com/murderwithmyhusband Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/an-unexpected-killer/crime-news/an-unexpected-killer-returns-features-savannah-anderson-case VoiceOfOC.org - https://voiceofoc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/June-25-2020-court-filing-on-Golden-State-Killer-evidence-being-sneaked-out-of-Sheriffs-Department.pdf Law. Justia.com - https://law.justia.com/cases/california/court-of-appeal/3d/203/1042.html CaseLaw. FindLaw.com - https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-court-of-appeal/1760613.html LATimes.com - https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-05-17-me-186-story.html Newspapers.com - https://www.newspapers.com/article/news-pilot-public-responds-to-sketch-of/173776023/ GoldenStateKiller.com - http://www.goldenstatekiller.com/1989-05-17.pdf Wikipedia.org - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Parker Unexpected Killer on Oxygen - https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/amzn1.dv.gti.0caa22d2-b663-4190-acef-4e08b18de288?ref_=imdbref_tt_ov_wbr_ovf__pvt_aiv&tag=imdbtag_tt_ov_wbr_ovf__pvt_aiv-20 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:01Payton Moreland?

  You're listening to an Ono Media Podcast. Hey, everyone, and welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder with my husband. I'm Payton Moreland.

• 1:08Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm Garrett Moreland.

• 1:10Payton Moreland?

  And he's the husband.

• 1:11Garrett Moreland?

  I'm the husband.

• 1:11Payton Moreland?

  You know, one thing I've noticed when I watch videos back is because we started this show as a podcast, we have a really hard time looking at the camera.

• 1:24Garrett Moreland?

  This is true. Also, there's a TV right above our camera, so we can make sure the set looks good when the camera's on. But the problem is, is our eyes naturally go to the TV, not the camera.

• 1:37Payton Moreland?

  Yeah, I just find myself talking into the abyss.

• 1:40Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 1:40Payton Moreland?

  And then being like, wait, hey, I don't, speaking of, guys, we have bonus content, bonus episodes.

• 1:47Garrett Moreland?

  True.

• 1:48Payton Moreland?

  If you didn't know, pay for it and then get bonus episodes. On our last bonus episode, in the middle, Garrett had a little adventure, killing a spider, a big spider.

• 2:00Garrett Moreland?

  You guys, it was huge.

• 2:02Payton Moreland?

  I don't even know if it made the final cut. I need to go look.

• 2:05Garrett Moreland?

  I don't know either, but it was huge. It probably crawled out of the vents and was like this big.

• 2:11Payton Moreland?

  Anyways, I don't think you got him because there are literally three times as amount of webs over there now.

• 2:17Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 2:18Payton Moreland?

  Do you see all those?

• 2:18Garrett Moreland?

  He is 100% alive somewhere.

• 2:21Payton Moreland?

  He's literally webbed that entire area. You did not kill him.

• 2:26Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, my gosh. I'm about to find it.

• 2:29Payton Moreland?

  The thing is, guys, is he's right by the slider door, so I'm kind of like, okay, he's not invading anyone's space.

• 2:37Garrett Moreland?

  No, we need to kill him. He was huge.

• 2:39Payton Moreland?

  He could go outside and inside.

• 2:41Garrett Moreland?

  Until it bites one of us, and then I turn into Spider-Man?

• 2:45Payton Moreland?

  What's wrong with that?

• 2:48Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, I need to say something. We've gotten a few gifts from people at the Bagel Shop. Thank you so much. We got, we've got a bunch of stuff. I need to make a list of everything we've gotten and say thank you to everyone. But if you've come and brought us something, seriously, thank you. It means a lot to us. We love, it's fun. We love getting gifts. It's actually, it's also cute to see like what someone's gonna bring us. So, thank you. We really appreciate it. That's it. For my 10 seconds, honestly, it's a little surreal that in six, seven weeks or so, we're gonna have a baby, you know? Like, we're gonna, we're gonna have a baby. We're gonna have a live human baby, like, outside of

• 3:30Garrett Moreland?

  the womb. And we're just gonna be taking care of it. So, anyways, stay tuned. We're gonna have a baby soon. We're excited. Peyton's been nesting.

• 3:43Payton Moreland?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:43Garrett Moreland?

  Been getting all our clothes together, getting all our stuff together. Been cute.

• 3:47Payton Moreland?

  My Into the Dark listeners have heard all about it.

• 3:50Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah. I don't know. That's kind of what I got for my 10 seconds. We're, yeah, we're gonna be parents. Again, Daisy's our first baby.

• 3:59Payton Moreland?

  And we have our second one.

• 4:00Garrett Moreland?

  Our other baby's our second baby. And then we'll see what happens from there.

• 4:03Payton Moreland?

  Daisy was outside and she's very hot. Anyone who's watching.

• 4:07Garrett Moreland?

  We're a little distracted.

• 4:07Payton Moreland?

  She's okay. I tried to give her water. She's not taking it. So, don't worry. She's not dying.

• 4:13Garrett Moreland?

  She's being a little crazy.

• 4:14Payton Moreland?

  But she looked, like, if I saw this on TV, I would feel bad.

• 4:17Garrett Moreland?

  I'm a little scared. I don't know what's going on. So, we're gonna keep an eye on her while we're recording. She's been kind of, she doesn't do this normally.

• 4:24Payton Moreland?

  Why is she, like, panting?

• 4:25Garrett Moreland?

  I don't know.

• 4:26Payton Moreland?

  I mean, she was outside, so I know she's hot, but she won't get any water.

• 4:29Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I don't know what's going on. Okay. Thank you for listening. Thank you for supporting. On that note, let's hop into this week's episode.

• 4:39Payton Moreland?

  Our sources for this episode are oxygen.com, voice of OC.org, law dot justia, caselaw. Find law.com, latimes.com, newspapers.com, goldenstatekiller.com, and Unexpected Killer on Oxygen. For centuries, human beings have placed their faith and trust in the world's scientists, the people who tell us, hey, this is how the world works and why. But, as everyone knows, science can be fallible, and history has a way of proving us wrong. For about 1,500 years, experts told us that the universe revolved around the Earth. This

• 5:21Payton Moreland?

  is obviously now something we look back on and find ridiculous. But, science is always evolving, and technology is always improving, and the things that were once considered fact get reexamined, challenged, and rewritten. So, while science is a good tool, a foundation for how we understand and navigate our world, it can't always be trusted, which is why, when we lean on science to solve a crime, you sometimes can get it wrong, and the consequences can be devastating, like, possibly letting a violent killer go free. So, now we are

• 5:59Payton Moreland?

  heading over to the year of 1979 in Irvine, California. This is a quiet, little coastal community about an hour southeast of Los Angeles. Close enough to join the hustle and bustle of the entertainment industry, yet definitely far enough away to feel like you're kind of living in a safer, littler community, just outside the big city, at least back then, in 1979. So, that is part of the reason why Savannah Anderson liked it there.

• 6:34Garrett Moreland?

  I cannot imagine what that city looked like in 1979.

• 6:38Payton Moreland?

  I know. That's so long ago.

• 6:42Garrett Moreland?

  Crazy.

• 6:43Payton Moreland?

  Now, Irvine was vastly different from where Savannah had grown up. She was born in Salt Lake City, Utah, on December 6, 1956. An only child to her parents, Alvin and Maxine, a blue collar family who knew what it meant to work hard for what you had. So, when Savannah got old enough to pursue her own path, her parents knew she had the drive it would take to make it on her own, even far away from home. So, when she was just 21 years old, a former coworker told her about a job opportunity at a commercial credit union out in Irvine, California.

• 7:25Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 7:25Payton Moreland?

  Now, as the operations manager, he needed a secretary, and talking to Savannah is like, you would be perfect for the job. And so, she took it. Now, for those who knew Savannah, a job offer like this wasn't surprising. She had a pretty magnetic personality. She was extremely smart and sharp-witted, always on top of her game. She was responsible, trustworthy, warm-hearted, exactly the kind of person you would want to work with day in and out. And not to mention, she's stunning, okay? People said she had a million watt smile that could light up the entire city of Irvine. Yet, despite all of this, her friends and

• 8:07Payton Moreland?

  coworkers said she was actually kind of private and guarded. She wasn't someone who shared intimate details about her personal life. She kept things fairly close to the vest, but was very extroverted when it came to other people. Kind of reminds me of Garrett, honestly, a little bit.

• 8:28Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 8:29Payton Moreland?

  So, Savannah started that job. She moves from Salt Lake City to Irvine, California around September 1978. So, by January of 1979, she had really only been in the area for about five months. Now, most of her friends were her coworkers, but she had actually met someone in California, a new love interest who she was introduced to just three months after moving out west. His name was Bill Mills. Now, Bill was about nine years older than Savannah, but it seemed to work out well for her. She was mature for a 21-year-old,

• 9:12Payton Moreland?

  and she needed a man who matched her emotionally. And that was Bill. In fact, things were going so well between the two of them that, after just a few months together, Bill had already asked Savannah to marry him. And I'm not sure how official this proposal was. There was a ring, or more just like an agreed-upon, let's get married. But I know the two weren't living together yet, because Savannah had actually just gotten a new apartment. She felt the first one she had moved into in Irvine wasn't exactly what she wanted. As a young woman living alone, she wanted something safer. So, that is when, after moving there, getting acquainted with the area, she finds the Woodbridge Apartments.

• 9:57Garrett Moreland?

  Okay. Also, very familiar with every single part of this area.

• 10:02Garrett Moreland?

  In this case.

• 10:03Payton Moreland?

  You know where the Woodbridge Apartments are?

• 10:04Garrett Moreland?

  Know exactly where they are.

• 10:06Payton Moreland?

  So she, which is so funny because it's 1979.

• 10:10Garrett Moreland?

  Uh huh.

• 10:11Payton Moreland?

  But that's kind of the charm of Irvine a little bit is like, things really haven't. You like the Woodbridge Apartments still exist. You know what I mean?

• 10:17Garrett Moreland?

  Like the Truman Show down there.

• 10:19Payton Moreland?

  Um, and so, but back then, these Woodbridge Apartments were new.

• 10:24Garrett Moreland?

  Yep.

• 10:24Payton Moreland?

  Okay. It was an area that was still under construction, but had around the clock, security guards to keep an eye on the place. So sometime around April, 1979, she signed a new lease at Woodbridge and began unpacking in her new apartment. And over the next few weeks, she really made that place a home. All in all, things were going really well for Savannah. Her job, her friendships, this new move, her relationship, all of this was blossoming. She had a lot to celebrate until May of 1979. May 13th, that year was Mother's Day. Savannah spent the afternoon with Bill and a few other new friends.

• 11:10Payton Moreland?

  They had brunch, they laughed, made plans for the future. And after that, Bill went back to Savannah's apartment and the two spent the rest of their Sunday together at her apartment. They are intimate, they have dinner, and then around 10:00 PM, Bill calls it a night. He kissed Savannah goodbye and said he was going back to his place since they both had to work in the morning. They made plans to meet up the next day around 6:00 PM after work. And then after Bill left her apartment, Savannah called her mother and wished her a happy Mother's Day. The two were actually super close, so they spent the next two hours or so on the phone,

• 11:56Payton Moreland?

  just catching up. This was from around 10:00 PM until midnight. And then Savannah told her mother she loved her, you know, she's going to turn in for the night. She has work tomorrow. But the following day, Monday, May 14th, Savannah's late for work. And her coworkers immediately thought this is strange. Savannah is super on top of things, very responsible. She might only be 21. But again, she was very mature for her age. She would never not call them to tell them what was going on. However, they also knew, as did Bill, that Savannah had been feeling a little under the weather the last few days. Maybe a bad head cold, but not so bad that she like, didn't go to brunch with friends the day before.

• 12:40Payton Moreland?

  Still, maybe she went to bed and it had gotten worse overnight. So the day continued. There is still no word from Savannah. She still doesn't show up to work. In fact, her coworkers get so worried about her that Savannah's boss, a man named Ken Bergensen, offered to stop by her apartment on his way home to check on her. Like, okay, one of our employees doesn't show up, the boss is like, I might go by and check. Now meanwhile, her boyfriend, Bill, is also starting to get a bit worried. He doesn't necessarily know that she hasn't shown up to work. But around 6:00 PM, he went over to her apartment as planned, knocked on the door, but Savannah didn't answer.

• 13:25Payton Moreland?

  Her door was locked, all of her curtains and blinds were drawn, and he didn't have a key to her place. And it's 1979, so no cell phones. So instead, he has to drive all the way home to try and call her at home, even though he was just outside. So he goes home, he tries calling her, no response there either. So over the next hour or so, he tried her a few more times, figuring, okay, maybe she just fell asleep. Maybe she was running late from work. But by 7:25 PM, with still no response from Savannah, Bill, her boyfriend, is really starting to panic. He remembered her saying she wasn't feeling very good the day before. And now all these different scenarios are playing out in his head.

• 14:10Payton Moreland?

  Like maybe she'd gotten so sick, she couldn't get out of bed. Maybe she was disoriented, like her illness had gotten worse and she had fallen and hurt herself.

• 14:19Garrett Moreland?

  So no one's actually checked inside her home?

• 14:21Payton Moreland?

  No, because it's locked.

• 14:23Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 14:23Payton Moreland?

  But this is when Bill is like, okay, I'm just going to call the police for a welfare check. Like have them go over and be able to do this. So they tell him, yep, we'll send someone over right away. So Bill gets back into his car to actually meet the police there at Savannah's Woodbridge Apartment. And he arrived around the same time as the police, around 7:30 PM. So this is an hour and a half after they were supposed to meet. And when police arrive and Bill arrives, they find someone else was already there knocking on Savannah's door and it was her boss.

• 15:01Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 15:01Payton Moreland?

  Ken Bergensen. So when they all arrive, he's like, oh, I'm here because Savannah didn't show up for work today.

• 15:09Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 15:09Payton Moreland?

  Like she has, she's been gone all day long. And this is when everyone at the apartment, the police, Bill.

• 15:17Garrett Moreland?

  It's like we need to get inside.

• 15:19Payton Moreland?

  This situation is serious. Now, what makes this even more concerning is they point out Savannah's car is still sitting in her parking spot.

• 15:29Garrett Moreland?

  Yep.

• 15:29Payton Moreland?

  So they knew she didn't make an impromptu drive like back home to Salt Lake or anywhere else. That's when the officers have someone from the apartment management team let them in. So they go get officials and they're like, please let us into this apartment. And almost as soon as they enter.

• 15:48Garrett Moreland?

  Oh gosh.

• 15:50Payton Moreland?

  They find Savannah.

• 15:51Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 15:52Payton Moreland?

  She is lying face up in her bed, completely naked. Okay.

• 15:58Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 15:58Payton Moreland?

  She has towels over her head and she is surrounded in a pool of blood.

• 16:04Garrett Moreland?

  Oh my gosh.

• 16:05Payton Moreland?

  So her body on the bed. And she's also cold to the touch.

• 16:10Garrett Moreland?

  Uh huh.

• 16:10Payton Moreland?

  Police are like, Savannah has been dead for some time.

• 16:14Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 16:15Payton Moreland?

  They also noticed that her bedroom is in disarray, like there's been some sort of struggle there. I mean, this is a crime scene. There's blood spatter all along the headboard of her bed.

• 16:25Garrett Moreland?

  Oh my god.

• 16:26Payton Moreland?

  And there's a giant bloody drag mark from the bedroom, leading to the bathroom. But Savannah herself isn't really covered in any blood. She's sitting in a pool of blood, but her body isn't super bloody. There doesn't seem to be any stab or gunshot wounds that they can see. But when they finally remove the towels from her face.

• 16:52Garrett Moreland?

  There's a gunshot?

• 16:53Payton Moreland?

  They see that her head has been severely beaten with a blunt object.

• 16:59Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 16:59Payton Moreland?

  And there appears to be fingernail marks around her throat, as well as a ligature mark that shows she was clearly being strangled by something and had tried to stop it. And if that wasn't enough, her legs had appeared to be spread apart, like her body was posed on this bed.

• 17:20Garrett Moreland?

  Uh huh.

• 17:21Payton Moreland?

  Um, and the sheets were pulled all the way down. So it's a very gruesome way to leave a body. And police are also like, this feels very sexually motivated, this entire crime. So putting all of the pieces together, they realize Savannah's killer also probably washed her. Because there was no blood on her body, they believe that the killer had killed her, dragged her body from the bedroom to the bathroom.

• 17:51Garrett Moreland?

  Then back to the bedroom?

• 17:52Payton Moreland?

  Um, because there's diluted blood around the sink and the bathtub. And then after that, it seems as though the killer brought her back to the bed, put her on top and staged her body after she was killed.

• 18:04Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 18:05Payton Moreland?

  And as I said, she was naked, but Savannah was still wearing a nice watch that was loosely fastened to her wrist. And the necklace she had on was backwards with the clasp in the front. And police are starting to wonder, did this, was this jewelry put on her after she died as like part of the staging? Like she wasn't even actually wearing this. Now, if the attack was as brutal as her injuries in the crime scene suggested, it didn't make sense that those items would have even stayed on really. So investigators are thinking, someone killed her, cleaned her up, and then staged her body to honestly look like she was still alive.

• 18:46Payton Moreland?

  They covered her face in towels, so you couldn't see the damage to the body, like the actual killing.

• 18:53Garrett Moreland?

  Interesting. Like I wonder why? Like I, I mean, we'll find out, but yeah, kind of unique situation.

• 19:00Payton Moreland?

  Police also determine at the scene, just based on what they have seen. They decide that the sexual assault in this case probably happened after all of this. So washed the body, put some jewelry on, covered the face. And then she was sexually assaulted. Now, the question is, who would ever do something as horrific as this? Detectives wonder if it's someone Savannah knew, since the door was locked. Did she let them in willingly? But they also find that her window to her bedroom is unlocked from the inside too. So could that person have gone in and out through the window?

• 19:45Payton Moreland?

  So maybe the person could have like come in and out through the open window and didn't like have a key that they then used to lock up after they left, but it doesn't really help narrow things down much.

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• 22:30Payton Moreland?

  The detectives do get one lucky break. The killer left behind a bloody handprint leading from the bedroom to the bathroom. And there were some smudged bloody fingerprints on the toilet seat as well. Now, since there's no murder weapon at this scene, they can't find anything that could have caused this blunt force to her head and no DNA testing at the time. The detectives realize this might be their best chance at catching this person is these fingerprints, handprint. But first things first, they need to find out approximately what time Savannah Anderson died. What were her last moments like?

• 23:12Payton Moreland?

  Now unfortunately, part of that process means breaking the news to Savannah's parents that their only child, their little girl who had just moved to California, had been killed and brutally killed. Now through this process, police learned that her mother was likely the last person to speak to her before she passed away because remember she tells police Savannah called her, they spoke from about 10:00 PM to 12:00 AM that night after Bill had left, which tells them she must've died somewhere between that 12 o'clock hour and then when she was supposed to be at work around 9:00 AM the following morning. So somewhere in the middle of the night.

• 23:53Payton Moreland?

  And at the same time, police also had Bill Mills and Savannah's boss, Ken Bergensen, down at the station. Obviously they just were both at the crime scene, but there were some things they were questioning about her boyfriend, Bill. For example, he was the last person to see her on the night of the 13th and said he left her house around 10:00 PM before she made that call to her mom. But what if he then went back to the apartment in the middle of the night? And then the next day called the police to cover his tracks?

• 24:26Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 24:27Payton Moreland?

  Obviously something they have to consider.

• 24:29Garrett Moreland?

  They have to look into it. I feel like it's not him, but.

• 24:31Payton Moreland?

  But Bill stuck to his story. He's like, no, I had nothing to do with this. He also allowed them to take his fingerprints and palm prints. He's like, you found prints? Take mine. Compare them to the ones at the scene. However, when they asked him to take a polygraph, Bill says he does want to talk to his lawyer first. And after his attorney advised him not to, Bill followed his advice. So he refuses to take the poly. Now this obviously doesn't lower the police's suspicions of Bill, but at this point it's also not like, they have a ton of evidence saying it's Bill.

• 25:08Garrett Moreland?

  I feel like it's different. I feel like now if you say no to a polygraph, police are like, okay.

• 25:13Payton Moreland?

  Right.

• 25:13Garrett Moreland?

  Back then it was like, oh, you won't take a polygraph?

• 25:16Payton Moreland?

  Yeah. And also if you talk to a lawyer, they're going to say, don't take a polygraph.

• 25:20Garrett Moreland?

  Don't do that.

• 25:21Payton Moreland?

  So police figured, listen, we'll just run the prints side by side. Like these prints are bloody, so we know this most likely came from the killer or someone would have had to come in afterward and put these prints in. They're like, we'll just run the prints and get our answer. But for now, all they could do was let Bill go and move on to the next person who had been at her house that night when they showed up, and that was her boss, Ken. So Ken was the person who got Savannah the job at the credit union. He knew Savannah and her family back in Salt Lake City. He said he saw Savannah as a daughter. The two were pretty close. He had helped her with her move when she first came out to Irvine. They had gone out for drinks and lunch a few times, but Ken insisted, it's not romantic. This was just like a family friend.

• 26:06Payton Moreland?

  I know her parents. In fact, Ken is happily married. He said he was at home with his wife the night Savannah was killed and she vouched for him as well. Ken also handed over his palm and fingerprints for comparison, after which he was allowed to go home that night. But the following morning, police went to Savannah's office to make sure Ken wasn't leaving anything out of the story. They spoke to multiple coworkers who were all devastated about this news of Savannah. But each of them said, there's nothing going on between the two of them as like that they're aware of. It was just all of us were worried that day. So he offered to go check on her again. He sees her as a daughter.

• 26:50Payton Moreland?

  He knows the family, like when she didn't show up to work, it was pretty normal that he would be like, let me run by her apartment. So ultimately her job is a total dead end in the investigation, which is when they turn to the next closest people in Savannah's world, and that is her neighbors. So the day after Savannah is found dead, police go back to her neighborhood to start canvassing. And as they speak with her neighbors, they learn no one heard any screams or unusual activity the night before. Many of them still didn't even really know Savannah since she had only moved in about a month or so before.

• 27:32Payton Moreland?

  But as I mentioned, one of the things Savannah liked about this neighborhood was that there were security guards that switched off shifts around the clock. So detectives track the two down that were working that night and call them in for questioning, starting with a man named Charles Doyle. So he is one of the security guards. Now, a typical shift for Charles at the apartment complex was either walking or driving around the complex, looking for anything unusual, mostly just like theft or break-ins, that sort of thing. And when asked if he knew Savannah Anderson, he said he had actually helped her out shortly after she moved in.

• 28:14Payton Moreland?

  Apparently Savannah had gotten locked out of her apartment and he, this security guard, helped her gain access. He said he didn't have any keys, but he had noticed that her bedroom window was open. So he helped her climb in through there. Again, this is a little sus because the bedroom window was also open when she was murdered. And he had prior knowledge to the fact that she kept her bedroom window open. He's like, but I never went inside her apartment. I literally just boosted her up so she could get in. But he says something fishy to the police as well, along the lines of quote, if you find my fingerprints there, though, that's why, which is alarming.

• 28:57Garrett Moreland?

  Which, I mean, yes, that is very alarming, but also-

• 29:01Payton Moreland?

  Because he's saying he didn't go inside.

• 29:02Garrett Moreland?

  But also, oh, okay, well.

• 29:06Payton Moreland?

  But he's saying, but I did help her into her apartment, so who knows?

• 29:09Garrett Moreland?

  He's paranoid.

• 29:11Payton Moreland?

  Yeah, I mean, if this girl brutally murdered-

• 29:13Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I would have been like, well, if you find fingerprints, it's probably because I was with them.

• 29:16Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 29:17Garrett Moreland?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 29:18Payton Moreland?

  So this gets detectives wondering. Does this guy know that she often kept her window unlocked? And then he got inside? Well, as Charles begins to tell them about the night in question, things only start to look even worse for him. He says that he was supposed to show up for his shift at midnight on the fourteenth. It was like around when she got off the phone with her mom, but he ended up being about 10 to 15 minutes late. And when he got there around 12:15 a.m. or so, he remembered seeing Savannah through her window talking on the phone, which, okay, kinda lines up with her mom's story, 12, 12:15. Now, Charles was there to relieve the other security guard. This was a guy named Robert Sellers.

• 30:04Payton Moreland?

  He said, Robert or Bob, Bob as they called him. He said Bob approached his vehicle around 12:30 a.m., already partially changed out of his uniform, and he was carrying his shirt and his belt with him.

• 30:19Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, um, okay.

• 30:22Payton Moreland?

  He then just gets the daily report from Bob, you know, like, hey, Bob, what'd you see while you were on security guard? And he was like, oh, you know, take it away, take the night shift, and Bob gets into his car and leaves. But here's where things get even weirder. Charles says he drove around for the next hour, so that's his job. But then he drove back to the carport and actually fell asleep in his car for a bit. Claims he was later woken up by the sound of a car door slamming. He looked over and saw it was his coworker Bob, who was now back in the middle of this night shift.

• 31:00Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, no.

• 31:01Payton Moreland?

  Charles says Bob came over, asked him, hey, you wanna grab some food? Before he went back to a nearby base where he was a Marine. And Charles is like, maybe this guy's just like having a night, you know, and now he's come back and seen his little friend said, you wanna grab some food?

• 31:19Garrett Moreland?

  How many people do you think are out there?

• 31:23Garrett Moreland?

  That would kill people that we just don't know. Does that make sense?

• 31:26Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 31:28Garrett Moreland?

  Like, how many people are capable of murdering somebody? I'm not talking about self-defense.

• 31:34Payton Moreland?

  I think probably a lot more than we see.

• 31:35Garrett Moreland?

  Murdering somebody. I think so, too. I mean, I can name a few people I've met that if they murdered someone, I would be like, you know, honestly, not surprised.

• 31:46Payton Moreland?

  Yeah, same.

• 31:46Garrett Moreland?

  Like, not surprised. Which is kinda scary.

• 31:50Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 31:51Garrett Moreland?

  Which makes me realize a lot of it maybe is about, like, timing.

• 31:56Payton Moreland?

  It also makes you realize, like-

• 31:58Garrett Moreland?

  People are nuts?

• 31:59Payton Moreland?

  Becoming a civilized-

• 32:03Garrett Moreland?

  Human being?

• 32:04Payton Moreland?

  Group of people probably stopped a lot of people from murdering who would just have it in them.

• 32:09Garrett Moreland?

  Hundred percent.

• 32:10Payton Moreland?

  Because it's like illegal and immoral and like we're taught from a very young age, right, from wrong, whereas like that hasn't always been the case in history.

• 32:20Garrett Moreland?

  It's kinda crazy.

• 32:21Payton Moreland?

  So anyways, even though Charles is on shift, he says sure to Bobby. He's like, yeah, let's do it. Let's grab some food. So between 1:00 and 2:00 a.m. Charles said they leave the apartments, and they went to a diner about 10 minutes away to get breakfast. Now, I have no idea if he's supposed to leave his post like this or not. If he's allowed a break, like, maybe this is his little lunch break, you know? But I can say with some confidence that he doesn't sound very good at his job if before leaving, he was also taking naps in his car. But nonetheless, these two guys get a bite at the diner, these two security guards.

• 33:02Payton Moreland?

  And then Charles said Bob took him back to the complex where he dropped him off around 2:30 a.m. To finish his shift, and then Bob was gonna, I don't, I don't know, I guess, go finish the rest of his night, because he's apparently working the day shift and party in the night shift. Now, Charles says the rest of his shift that night was totally uneventful, and then he clocked out at 6:30 a.m., just as planned. So the police are like, okay, well, like, this girl gets murdered and you just happen to have fallen asleep for part of your shift and left for part of your shift when you're the security guard? Just seems sketchy, but they're like, let's check in with Bob, see if his story matches before the two can talk, and so they bring Bob Sellers in for questioning.

• 33:47Payton Moreland?

  Now, on paper, the 22-year-old Bob seemed a little more put together than Charles. He had enlisted in the Marine Corps when he was around 17 and was still stationed at Camp Pendleton, about 45 minutes away, but he worked as a security guard at the complex just for some extra cash. He said he was also familiar with Savannah and had actually spoken to her and her boyfriend briefly on the night of May 13. He also claimed he saw Savannah talking on the phone until about 12:00 a.m. that night. And he confirmed Charles was actually late for work by 15 minutes or so. He said it was about 12:30 a.m. when he leaves his shift

• 34:31Payton Moreland?

  and goes home and takes a shower. He said he was supposed to be at the Pendleton base around 6:00 a.m. the following morning for a shift there, but found he wasn't tired after going home and showering, so he decided to head back to the complex to see if Charles wanted to grab some food. But here's where their stories differ, because up till this point, it's basically the same story. Charles said it was between 1:00 a.m. and 2:00 a.m. when he was awoken in his car nap by Bob to go get food at the apartment complex. And Charles said they were done eating by 2:30 a.m.

• 35:10Payton Moreland?

  But Bob says, I actually didn't get to the complex until around 3:30 a.m. To wake him up. So there's a two-hour window of time. They're completely off.

• 35:24Garrett Moreland?

  Interesting, okay.

• 35:26Payton Moreland?

  One is saying it started around 1:00, and the other is saying it started around 3:00, 3:30.

• 35:31Garrett Moreland?

  Somebody's lying.

• 35:32Payton Moreland?

  Or someone just wasn't keeping track of time, I guess.

• 35:35Garrett Moreland?

  True.

• 35:36Payton Moreland?

  But Bob offers them something else, says there's this waitress named Gail who actually served them at the restaurant. He's like, I know her, I eat here pretty often. She can vouch that, like, we were there together and what time. He also willingly gives over his finger and palm prints for them to test, as did Charles, to be clear. But to get to the bottom of this timeline issue, detectives decide to bring them in together, put them in the same room and say, okay, guys, what time did you go to the diner? And it's during that conversation that Charles Doyle goes, okay, you're right, maybe I am confused. Maybe Bob's timeline is more accurate, because, like I said, I'd fallen asleep, a little disoriented.

• 36:22Payton Moreland?

  So Charles is kinda the one who admits, maybe I could be wrong. But to check one more box, they also go to the diner to speak to Gail, and here's what's weird. There is no Gail working there, at least not at this time. But there is a waitress who says, no, she remembers two security guards coming in that night, though she didn't seem to recall exactly what time it was. So it's just a little weird, like, he, he gives this waitress by name, says, I'm a usual here, like-

• 36:49Garrett Moreland?

  And then she wasn't there.

• 36:50Payton Moreland?

  And then they're like, we don't even have a Gail working here, but then another waitress is like, yeah, but I was working that night, and there were two security guards who came in.

• 36:57Garrett Moreland?

  But could they have, could it have been two different security guards for another place? I don't know.

• 37:01Payton Moreland?

  I mean, what are the chances of that? The whole thing is just like a little eyewitness messy, you know, like, just those eyewitness testimony messiness.

• 37:08Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I just think somebody's lying. Somebody knows what's going on here.

• 37:12Payton Moreland?

  Or is this just your typical, you're relying on people to remember, and they don't?

• 37:18Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 37:19Payton Moreland?

  So at this point, the best thing for detectives to do is just wait for the prints to come back from the crime scene, and meanwhile, the coroner's report is also being completed. Now, this gave investigators a bit more clarity on her cause and time of death. So they officially determined she had likely died around 2:00 a.m.

• 37:38Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 37:38Payton Moreland?

  On May 14. She'd been struck in the head multiple times, which we know she had broken fingernails and wounds on her hands and arms, which showed that she definitely fought back. And they also found semen on her body. But because DNA testing was not available at the time, they were not able to determine if it was her boyfriend, Bills, remember? He claimed they had been intimate that night, or was this the attacker's semen? Now, ultimately, they found her cause of death to be strangulation. She had been beaten, but she, her official cause of death was strangulation. Done by a ligature about two inches wide, they presume most likely a belt.

• 38:22Garrett Moreland?

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• 38:29Payton Moreland?

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• 40:24Payton Moreland?

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• 41:08Payton Moreland?

  Simply Safe, ahead of crime and in real time. Now unfortunately, the results from those finger and palm prints are going to take a little longer. So finally, two months later, police hear back on the analysis and all of the samples they had turned in to run against them. And it turns out, none of the people they had gathered prints from, not her boyfriend, her boss, the two security guards,

• 41:30Garrett Moreland?

  Not one match?

• 41:31Payton Moreland?

  Were a match for the bloody prints found inside the home.

• 41:35Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 41:35Payton Moreland?

  All four of them are cleared as people of interest and the detectives go back to square one.

• 41:41Garrett Moreland?

  That sucks. I mean, that's great, but that sucks.

• 41:45Payton Moreland?

  Now, the detectives are really grasping at straws here. They begin looking into anyone in the area who had criminal background. They compare prints in national databases to the ones they have on file. But after still coming up empty-handed, they have to consider another terrifying possibility. What if Savannah was the victim of a serial killer? Now, it's not totally out of left field, okay? Between 1976 and 1979, the year Savannah died, at least six other women in the Orange County area had been killed under mysterious unsolved circumstances, all with the same MO.

• 42:30Payton Moreland?

  Their killer actually became known as the Bedroom Basher.

• 42:34Garrett Moreland?

  I thought he was, I thought you were going to say the Golden State Killer.

• 42:37Payton Moreland?

  They targeted young women who lived alone, sexually assaulted them and then bludgeoned them to death.

• 42:43Garrett Moreland?

  Wait, you shook your head yes. Is that the same person?

• 42:45Payton Moreland?

  We'll get there.

• 42:46Garrett Moreland?

  No way. Guys, I'm getting smarter.

• 42:50Payton Moreland?

  Yeah, that was actually a good poll, but also I did mention it in the case sources, but I don't think you were.

• 42:54Garrett Moreland?

  No, I wasn't paying attention.

• 42:56Payton Moreland?

  Now, police were still on the hunt for this serial killer at the time of Savannah's death. And considering the circumstances, they begin to wonder, could the security guards just have been a distraction? Did the Bedroom Basher commit another crime right under their noses? Well, six months after Savannah's death, someone actually spots the supposed Bedroom Basher leaving a victim's home. They give a description of the man to a sketch artist, describing him as having olive skin, dark eyes, a mustache and a pock marked face. They say he's in his late twenties or early thirties.

• 43:40Payton Moreland?

  Unfortunately, it doesn't do much to help catch the serial killer. And with no one arrested as the Bedroom Basher, Savannah Anderson's case remains unsolved as well. And suddenly, it's 1984. It has been five years since Savannah's death and her case file is sitting in a drawer. That is when Detective Larry Montgomery, a homicide detective with the Irvine Police Department, decides to take another look at Savannah's case. With a fresh set of eyes, he considers whether Savannah could be another victim of the Bedroom Basher serial killer. But the closer he looks, he decides the less it makes sense.

• 44:24Payton Moreland?

  Mainly because of how the attacker cleaned up Savannah and put towels over her face. Not only does it not match the MO of the Bedroom Basher, it also feels kind of personal. He thinks this was someone who most likely knew Savannah, who had feelings for her and wanted to have his way with her sexually. So he decides to dig back into the old leads and not just assume she is one of the victims of the serial killer. And there's one thing that really stands out about the testimony of Charles Doyle, the security guard. And it's not the discrepancy in the timeline. It's something Charles had actually originally said about Bob.

• 45:10Payton Moreland?

  That Bob mentioned wanting to take Savannah out for a drink. Charles said Bob found Savannah, the murder victim, very attractive. Plus, Charles mentioned it was a bit strange for Bob to come back and ask him to breakfast that day. And this is because police were like, okay, is this something you guys did often in the middle of your shift? Like leave the shift to go get breakfast? And Charles was like, no, it was a bit strange that he came back to work and asked me to go to breakfast. We weren't really close friends. We'd never gone to breakfast there before. So Detective Montgomery goes back over those prints and he sends them to the FBI to get another opinion on them.

• 45:54Payton Moreland?

  Now eventually, they come back with totally different results.

• 45:59Garrett Moreland?

  How does it even happen?

• 46:01Payton Moreland?

  Than the first scientist.

• 46:02Garrett Moreland?

  How does that happen?

• 46:03Payton Moreland?

  24 points of identification this time that are a positive match for one of the suspects.

• 46:11Garrett Moreland?

  Hey?

• 46:11Payton Moreland?

  Robert Sellers.

• 46:13Garrett Moreland?

  How? I don't understand how. Also, this is the Golden State Killer because I remember his name was Robert.

• 46:19Payton Moreland?

  No, this is not the Golden State Killer.

• 46:20Garrett Moreland?

  I told you.

• 46:23Garrett Moreland?

  Is it really not? Is his name Robert?

• 46:25Payton Moreland?

  No.

• 46:26Garrett Moreland?

  The Golden State Killer's name is not Robert?

• 46:27Payton Moreland?

  I don't think his name was.

• 46:29Garrett Moreland?

  Did I make that up?

• 46:30Payton Moreland?

  It's not, there's a lot of Robert killers.

• 46:34Garrett Moreland?

  Don't, I hope your name's not Robert.

• 46:36Payton Moreland?

  No, there is.

• 46:37Garrett Moreland?

  Hold on, let me see this. Golden State Killer's real name is Joseph James D'Angelo. I mean, it's kind of like, it's kind of like a Robert name.

• 46:49Payton Moreland?

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:51Garrett Moreland?

  You know, I feel like it's kind of like a Robert name. Dude, this guy looks like a complete just creep.

• 46:59Payton Moreland?

  Bob?

• 47:00Garrett Moreland?

  No, Joseph James D'Angelo, the Golden State Killer.

• 47:03Payton Moreland?

  The cop?

• 47:04Garrett Moreland?

  Yes.

• 47:05Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 47:06Garrett Moreland?

  He just looks crazy looking at him.

• 47:08Payton Moreland?

  He's so old now.

• 47:09Garrett Moreland?

  He's just like, ah. Anyways.

• 47:11Payton Moreland?

  And also like, I still just can't get over the fact that one day he just stopped killing after being like a totally crazy serial killer.

• 47:19Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I don't understand the psychology behind that goes way over my head.

• 47:23Payton Moreland?

  People literally thought he either died or went to prison.

• 47:26Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 47:27Payton Moreland?

  Okay, anyways, that's a different case.

• 47:29Garrett Moreland?

  Uh huh.

• 47:29Payton Moreland?

  We are talking about Robert Sellers.

• 47:32Garrett Moreland?

  Robert.

• 47:32Payton Moreland?

  Bob. He is the security guard who came walking out with his belt in his hands. And.

• 47:40Garrett Moreland?

  So why did the prints all set a match? What is happening here?

• 47:44Payton Moreland?

  It turns out the science back then just wasn't there.

• 47:48Garrett Moreland?

  No, okay.

• 47:49Payton Moreland?

  The blood was too thick on the prints to get an accurate read with the technology they had the first time around. So I don't know if at the time they knew, oh, actually, this is just not really testable. Or if they were like, oh, when we run the tests, it doesn't work and that means they're cleared. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not sure how, oh, the first time it's not just, oh, we can't tell. And it's no, this isn't his prints.

• 48:21Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 48:21Payton Moreland?

  But either way, they have new technology now with running these prints. That can kind of dig through the blood a little bit more and find the identifications better. And he has 24 points of identification, which means it is now time to track down Bob Sellers. Now they discover that Bob hasn't gone far in the past little bit. He's now living in a mobile home in the town of Brea about a half hour away. And he's got a wife who he actually met just a year after the murder. But on March 29th, 1984, they actually just moved straight in and arrest him. They're not even gonna bring him in for interrogation first.

• 49:04Payton Moreland?

  They also search his trailer and they also find the belt that he was wearing the night, the one that Charles claims to have seen him carrying.

• 49:14Garrett Moreland?

  Yes.

• 49:14Payton Moreland?

  Out, not wearing. And they also find Bob's baton. And they believe this is actually.

• 49:23Garrett Moreland?

  Like the weapon?

• 49:24Payton Moreland?

  The weapon that was used to cause the injuries to her face. So they find all of this in the trailer and they kind of confront him with it. They're like, listen, Bob, your prints, your prints actually do match now that we have a little bit better technology. We've found the belt you were wearing. We have the baton. We have eyewitness saying you walked out carrying your belt and shoes. We know you went back later to try to get the next security guard away from the crime scene, which I think in their head, they're being like, you were trying to make it seem like someone else came in and the security guard was gone and missed it. That's why you came back and asked him to go to breakfast. It was completely planned. And they confront him with all of this and he confesses to the crime.

• 50:09Garrett Moreland?

  Really?

• 50:11Payton Moreland?

  He does, but he tells a different version.

• 50:14Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, great.

• 50:15Payton Moreland?

  Yeah, you know, they always do this. He actually tells multiple versions. So here's version one, okay? He says, okay, yes, I killed her, but let me tell you what happened. That night Savannah invited me into her apartment during my security guard shift. They had a drink together and she came on to him despite the fact that her boyfriend had just left.

• 50:40Garrett Moreland?

  And despite the fact that

• 50:43Garrett Moreland?

  she was covered in blood and killed.

• 50:45Payton Moreland?

  Yes. He said she grabbed him inappropriately and that's when he used his baton to get her to stop this. He was like, whoa, whoa. Said he began beating her, quickly realized he had gone too far and she was no longer breathing. He said he took off her clothes. He washed her up in the bathroom, put her back in bed. And when he heard Charles pull up for his shift, he took off his shirt because it was covered in blood. And after he said hi to him, he went home and washed up but couldn't sleep. So that's when he went back and asked Charles to get food. He said, no, no, no, I never quote, made love to Savannah.

• 51:25Payton Moreland?

  Okay, that's a way to say completely sexually assaulted. Yeah. He said neither before or after the attack. Now, when Bob was questioned again, he told the same story, but police knew they're just, this isn't, this isn't all. Because they know Savannah died from strangulation, not blunt force trauma. So finally, after speaking to the police for a fourth time, he gives them a more honest retelling. He's like, fine, I climbed in through her window while Savannah was on the phone with her mom and I hid in her bedroom. When she finally finished talking to her mom, she came into her bedroom, saw the security guard standing there

• 52:08Payton Moreland?

  and immediately started screaming and fighting him. Bob said he panicked and fought back because of course she initiated.

• 52:16Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 52:16Payton Moreland?

  The fight as he's just loitering in her bedroom after breaking in through her window. He says he strangled and beat her until he realized she was dead. Said he then left through the front door and greeted Charles. After that, he went home, washed up and then came back to clean up her body. That's when he put her back into bed and had intercourse.

• 52:41Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 52:42Payton Moreland?

  With Savannah, which again, you are raping a dead body. I don't know.

• 52:48Garrett Moreland?

  It's illegal, by the way, just in case anyone is curious out there, it's not allowed.

• 52:52Payton Moreland?

  The way he's describing it as like making love and having intercourse.

• 52:56Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, like it was some consensual thing.

• 52:59Payton Moreland?

  I'm like, okay, call it.

• 53:00Garrett Moreland?

  You killed her.

• 53:01Payton Moreland?

  Call it what it is. Like you're dummy, you're definitely playing down what you did.

• 53:06Garrett Moreland?

  I mean.

• 53:07Payton Moreland?

  Obviously, he's going to.

• 53:08Garrett Moreland?

  Obviously, yeah.

• 53:09Payton Moreland?

  It's just annoying.

• 53:10Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 53:11Payton Moreland?

  But as he was leaving, he said Charles actually caught him in the parking lot. So as a distraction, Bob was like, oh, haha, I just came back to see if you wanted to go get food.

• 53:22Garrett Moreland?

  Ah, okay.

• 53:23Payton Moreland?

  So he's like, I didn't actually plan this. It was more that he just like caught me, but if you remember, Charles said he banged on his window. So these, these stories still aren't quite matching up. Anyways, he says he sat through an entire meal. And Bob also admitted he did it because he was obsessed with Savannah. He thought he could convince her to like him back. But when she found him standing there and panicked, as any woman would, so did he. But, but he still played out his fantasies of her. Even after she was dead, despite the fact that he's saying he was just there to confess his love. 28-year-old Robert Sellers was charged with murder, sexual assault, attempted sexual assault and burglary.

• 54:07Payton Moreland?

  The prosecution argued that Bob had sexually assaulted Savannah twice, once while she was alive. And then again, after she died.

• 54:15Garrett Moreland?

  Ooh, what a weirdo.

• 54:18Payton Moreland?

  His defense argued that between his two jobs, he was so overwhelmed by the lack of sleep, he wasn't thinking clearly because he had already confessed. So they had to say, they'd come up with a defense that wasn't, he didn't do it.

• 54:33Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I get it.

• 54:34Payton Moreland?

  The jury convicted him of first degree murder and sexual assault. But afterwards, his lawyers appealed the verdict and it was overturned on a technicality. They said there was not sufficient evidence Savannah was assaulted prior to her death. Only after. So they're like, you charged him with raping her while she was alive and we know he did it while she was dead. Overturned.

• 54:56Garrett Moreland?

  Like I truly, I truly don't understand the justice system when it comes to like finer details like this.

• 55:05Payton Moreland?

  And they also said, and you charged him with sexual assault, but since we're saying it only happened after she died, that's technically not sexual assault. That's a different charge.

• 55:14Garrett Moreland?

  Killed someone. Who gives a, like, he killed someone. Who cares?

• 55:18Payton Moreland?

  Instead of going for a retrial, Bob just pleads guilty.

• 55:21Garrett Moreland?

  Thank goodness. Okay.

• 55:22Payton Moreland?

  Uh, he's given 25 to life with the possibility of parole.

• 55:27Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 55:28Payton Moreland?

  Now, as for the bedroom basher, his victims got some justice too. After years with no answers, DNA samples left at many of his crime scenes finally turned up a match. Now Garrett had already actually very smartly guessed that it was the Golden State Killer. Cause as we know, he moved. There's also Richard Ramirez, who was kind of the night stalker who kind of moved throughout this area. Now, I don't know what was going on in California in this seventies and eighties, but neither of them turn up to be the bedroom basher.

• 56:07Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 56:07Payton Moreland?

  In 1996, the bedroom basher was identified as 41-year-old Gerald Parker.

• 56:13Garrett Moreland?

  Gerald.

• 56:14Payton Moreland?

  He was charged with six counts of first degree murder. As of 2017, he was still on death row.

• 56:20Garrett Moreland?

  Oh my gosh.

• 56:21Payton Moreland?

  Turns out, Robert Sellers never made it out of prison alive despite pleading guilty with a possibility of parole. In 1999, he died there under unknown circumstances. So he didn't actually stay that long. But this case is a reminder that science, however powerful, is only as reliable as our understanding of it. Which is, if we can't get through the blood, that doesn't mean it's not a match. It just means we can't get through the blood. But did we know that at the time?

• 56:53Garrett Moreland?

  Interesting.

• 56:54Payton Moreland?

  Because when we get it wrong, justice doesn't just suffer. Sometimes a killer gets way more free time than they ever deserved. And that is the murder of Savannah Anderson.

• 57:06Garrett Moreland?

  Wow, that's crazy. I've never heard of that. Never heard of that.

• 57:11Payton Moreland?

  There's just a lot going on in the seventies and eighties.

• 57:17Payton Moreland?

  Truly.

• 57:17Garrett Moreland?

  That's.

• 57:18Payton Moreland?

  Into the nineties.

• 57:19Garrett Moreland?

  That's nuts.

• 57:20Payton Moreland?

  I mean, I know we have stuff going on today, but that was a wild time.

• 57:24Garrett Moreland?

  You would think as we progress as a society and continue to advance as a society, we would like stop killing people, but no, it doesn't happen. Does not happen. Just for some reason, can it continue to happen?

• 57:39Payton Moreland?

  Yeah, I don't think it's going away anytime soon.

• 57:42Garrett Moreland?

  Unfortunately.

• 57:42Payton Moreland?

  Obviously, there's like forces at play. The reason there were so many rampant serial killers was because they were getting away with it. It's a lot harder to get away with it now. People are caught after one or two. There are still serial killers out there right now, though, active ones. And like you said, how many people are just walking by or in your life?

• 58:03Garrett Moreland?

  That's why I'm not friends with anybody.

• 58:05Payton Moreland?

  Do it. Who could do it?

• 58:10Payton Moreland?

  I think a lot more than we think. All right, you guys. Thank you so much for listening or watching today's episode and we will see you next time with another one. I love it.

• 58:20Garrett Moreland?

  And I hate it.

• 58:21Payton Moreland?

  Goodbye.

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