336. The Officer’s Secret

On this episode, Garrett and Payton explore the case of Isaiah Carvalho. When Isaiah, the husband of a police officer, is found dead inside his car, the investigation takes an unusual turn, because police already know exactly who did it. Links: Netflix Video Every Monday @11am PST, 12pm MST, 2pm EST 1pm CST https://www.netflix.com/murderwithmyhusband Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/dateline-secrets-uncovered/crime-news/dateline-secrets-uncovered-valerie-cincinellis-murder-for ABC7NY.com - https://abc7ny.com/post/valerie-cincinelli-sentencing-isaiah-carvalho-jr-murder-for-hire/11180312/ ABCNews.com - https://abcnews.com/US/husband-nypd-officer-lost-learning-alleged-plot-kill/story?id=63192370 Yahoo.com - https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/police-officer-murder-hire-plot-012553809.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEBRFuMJZ_G_dlfsEa_AtzFzxAKjACmMU8sfBvhulwqvcYYVwjb0Md-JkI59_zjqTDvHsROrsaDBnh_UMpyvEvvG4adVS6fXtcFyKiEIBYyjTPfltta1JqR_9dfI_-C0fjOQyinwnWoTFz0GQ1s382RxZDqmICoupxoBOoqwUMmm CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/valerie-cincinelli-murder-for-hire-sentencing/ ParamountPressExpress.com - https://www.paramountpressexpress.com/cbs-media-ventures/shows/inside-edition/releases/?view=59292-man-targeted-in-alleged-murder-for-hire-plot-by-his-former-nypd-ex-wife-speaks-out NBCNewYork.com - https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nypd-officer-hit-man-hire-husband-child-valerie-cincinelli/1754306/ ABCNews.com - https://abcnews.com/US/nypd-officer-charged-alleged-murder-hire-plot-husband/story?id=63107270 NYPost.com - https://nypost.com/2022/02/03/husband-of-ex-nypd-cop-valerie-cincinelli-still-fears-for-life/ CrimeAndInvestigation.com - https://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/articles/valerie-cincinelli-police-officer-who-tried-kill-her-husband Primetimer.com - https://www.primetimer.com/features/5-chilling-details-about-the-murder-for-hire-case-of-isaiah-carvalho Dateline NBC - https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/watch-dateline-episode-hit-list-now-n1294034 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:02Speaker 00

  Fall never arrives all at once. First the air, then the light. And slowly, the things you love begin to find each other. A jacket meets a dress, a hoodie slips beneath a blazer, an old cap finds a new scarf. Because you don't simply step into the season. You create it layer by layer until it finally feels like fall. Find fall your way at Ross.

• 0:31Payton Moreland?

  You're listening to an Ono Media Podcast. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder with my husband. I'm Payam Morland.

• 0:38Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm Garrett Moreland.

• 0:39Payton Moreland?

  And he's the husband.

• 0:41Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm the husband. Hello. Thanks for tuning in. Hope you guys are doing good. What do you got, babe?

• 0:47Payton Moreland?

  Just another day, just another recording, just another day in the longest summer of my life.

• 0:54Garrett Moreland?

  Summer's been really long. It's been extremely hot this year.

• 1:02Payton Moreland?

  I feel like it feels so long since hockey season. But it's because towards the end of hockey season, I was, I didn't really go because I was so pregnant. I didn't watch a lot or I was so sick.

• 1:18Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 1:18Payton Moreland?

  And then now it's like hockey season doesn't start, I feel like, until I'm like,

• 1:24Garrett Moreland?

  Due.

• 1:25Payton Moreland?

  Due. And so it's like, this has been the longest break between hockey. That's what's like, it's mirroring, yeah, in my brain.

• 1:35Garrett Moreland?

  It is kind of crazy that, does this come out in September? It's in September, right? No, August 31st, but that week, it'll be the first week of September. Cause we're recording on Friday. Yeah. It'll be September. I feel like we just hit August. Now we're in September. Next thing you know, it'll be 2027. I just felt like it was 2020. We were all stuck inside and now it's 2027.

• 1:59Payton Moreland?

  I know. It's crazy. I'm so excited for Halloween, but also so sad because I'm not planning on decorating as much this year just because of everything else that will be going on with the baby coming. But it's like making me sad because it's my favorite time of the year.

• 2:18Garrett Moreland?

  It is true.

• 2:19Payton Moreland?

  It feels like I'm having a hard time like balancing, enjoying it while also getting ready for massive change.

• 2:27Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah. Honestly, I don't really have anything for my 10 seconds. I've just been like getting ready for the baby, getting a bunch of stuff ordered, making sure we're all prepared for when this little bugger comes out. Because I have a feeling she's going to come early. Yeah, working, podcast days. Oh, Daisy picked up a chicken. Or Daisy saw chickens today for the first time, little chicks, and she loved them.

• 2:52Payton Moreland?

  Yes, but I do think she thought maybe she was their mother.

• 2:55Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 2:57Payton Moreland?

  And so she picked one up to move it. And it scared me half to death because those little things are so, so small. And Daisy is small too, but like, I'm not sure you should be picking up a fragile baby chick in your mouth.

• 3:12Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, her little mom instincts kicked in.

• 3:14Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 3:16Garrett Moreland?

  Anyway, so that was kind of cute. That was kind of fun. All right, everyone, that's what I got. So if you're ready and you're listening via audio, then you're probably cleaning or you're driving or doing something else. If you're watching on Netflix, sit back, relax, listen to some true crime.

• 3:35Payton Moreland?

  Our sources for this episode are oxygen.com, abc7newyork.com, abcnews.com, yahoo.com, cbsnews.com, paramountpressexpress.com, nbcnewyork.com, abcnews.com, newyorkpost.com, crimeandinvestigation.com, primetimer.com, and Dateline. To serve and protect, it is the promise people make when choosing to become a police officer. An oath, not just to themselves, but to everyone that they cross paths with. To be a guardian, a safe space, a trustworthy civilian servant. Both on and off duty, it's admirable, commendable. And it comes with a lot of responsibility and power.

• 4:20Payton Moreland?

  But as anyone who's experienced that kind of power will tell you, there comes a point where you reach a fork in the road. Where you must choose, do you follow the path of sacrifice and selflessness? Or do you go down the road that will benefit you the most? Because as we know, absolute power corrupts absolutely. And sometimes those who have promised to serve and protect are more focused on serving their own needs than the needs of others. Even if it means becoming the very thing that they swore to protect us from. So today's case starts in a little town on Long Island,

• 5:03Payton Moreland?

  just outside of New York City called Oceanside.

• 5:08Garrett Moreland?

  We need to go to the East Coast more.

• 5:10Payton Moreland?

  I know. We need to go to Oceanside.

• 5:12Garrett Moreland?

  We don't know the East Coast well enough.

• 5:14Payton Moreland?

  And it's here in Oceanside, just outside of New York City. In 2019, that 32-year-old Isaiah Carvalho is trying to reset his life going into his 30s. He had recently gotten separated from his wife of five years, who he had a young son with. But Isaiah was no stranger to a rocky marriage. His parents got divorced when he was young himself. And all growing up, while he swore he would never let it happen to him, life had its own set of plans. But because of his parents' divorce at such a young age, Isaiah actually became very close with his mother, Mary Ann.

• 5:59Payton Moreland?

  She was raising Isaiah and his sister as a single mom when a new man came into their life. And this guy's name was Patrick, who Isaiah really did grow to admire and respect as a father figure in his life. Now Patrick and Mary Ann, Isaiah's mom and now stepparent, really, they showed Isaiah what it was like to have a loving, healthy relationship. And as he got older, he knew it was something he dreamed of having himself one day. And another thing Isaiah really admired about Patrick, this new guy that had come into his life to raise him, he was a homicide detective.

• 6:39Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 6:40Payton Moreland?

  Someone that brought justice to the city for years while working in Queens, New York. However, Isaiah never felt being a police officer was his path. So instead, he got a job working with the Caterpillar Equipment Company. But Isaiah did grow up around the police officer community because Patrick was a homicide detective. And many of the officers Patrick worked with became like family over the years in New York, including one newer officer who walked into Patrick's office in 2010 and noticed a framed photo on Patrick's desk. And it was of Isaiah.

• 7:23Payton Moreland?

  Now, keep in mind, Isaiah is a lot older now at this point. But him and Patrick have had this great relationship. Patrick has basically helped raise him. So he does have like a current photo of Isaiah. And this newer officer, well, her name was Valerie Cincinelli. And she wanted to know if Isaiah, the boy in the picture on Patrick's desk, if he was single. Now Patrick told the 25-year-old Valerie a bit about his stepson and how, yeah, he actually is in fact, single. And her reply was, hook a girl up.

• 8:05Payton Moreland?

  So that's exactly what Patrick did for his stepson and this young girl. He showed Isaiah her photo and the two meet up for a date shortly after that.

• 8:18Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 8:18Payton Moreland?

  Now, there was a lot to be impressed by when it came to Valerie. She had begun her career back in 2007, working in the domestic violence unit at the Queens NYPD precinct. And a big reason why she even chose to be a cop actually also had to do with her upbringing. Valerie grew up on Long Island as one of five kids, and she was raised in a family of police officers too. Her father had won several awards in his position as a police officer. Her brother was an FBI agent, so it was in her blood. But Valerie also experienced a pretty tragic loss earlier on in her life.

• 9:00Payton Moreland?

  When she was just 18 years old, her mother, who she was close with, died suddenly in her sleep. Now Valerie was quickly thrown into the role of the matriarch of the house. And at 18, she is forced to kind of grow up faster than she should have. But when Isaiah and Valerie were introduced in 2010, she was actually now a single mom with a two-year-old girl of her own. Now, after just a date or two, Isaiah brought Valerie and her daughter around to spend time with Patrick and his family, even inviting them to Easter dinner at his parents' house.

• 9:45Payton Moreland?

  And things just sort of take off from there. So that's how Isaiah and Valerie meet and how they're kind of like wrapped up in law enforcement together. Now, in 2014, Isaiah and Valerie got married and soon they welcomed a son together. So now they have two kids at home. And things seemed to be going well at work for Valerie too. In 2016, she was named Soldier of the Year for her volunteer work in the local community. And then in 2017, she was awarded for her bravery after catching a bank robber in the act. Everyone said,

• 10:24Garrett Moreland?

  That's kind of cool.

• 10:25Payton Moreland?

  I know Valerie was just this all-American, modern woman. A decorated police officer who had won Cop of the Month, a volunteer, a caring wife, and a mother of two young children. Not to mention, she was athletic, she was tough as nails, not someone you would ever think to mess with. But the truth was, back at home, underneath all of this, things weren't going as well as they were in her career. By 2019, the arguments between Isaiah and Valerie had reached a boiling point. And as much as Isaiah fought to avoid the same fate as his parents, it just wasn't working out between them.

• 11:10Payton Moreland?

  Isaiah and Valerie separated and began working through a divorce settlement that year. At least until May 17th, 2019.

• 11:21Payton Moreland?

  When Valerie Cincinelli got a knock on her front door, just to catch you up. They've met, they're married, they're getting divorced, they're fighting a lot. They're in the process of this divorce, they're separated in 2019. When she gets the knock, two uniformed officers were standing on Valerie's front porch. She didn't need to be a police officer herself to know that whatever was going on wasn't good. When you have like an unannounced visit, she invited them in and as they sat her down, they broke some heartbreaking news. Her husband, estranged husband, 32 year old Isaiah.

• 12:05Garrett Moreland?

  Oh my gosh.

• 12:06Payton Moreland?

  Was found dead. They tell Valerie he had been murdered earlier that morning, shot while inside his car. His car and him were found about 50 miles away from where he lived in Oceanside, in a place called Shirley on Long Island. His car was actually parked in a Marina parking lot. He's found dead inside, but other than that, they didn't have much else to share. They were simply just letting her know. They said the investigation was ongoing, there were not any suspects or evidence yet, but they were already starting to put together some leads and they were curious if Valerie knew of anyone who might want Isaiah dead.

• 12:50Payton Moreland?

  They're like, listen, we know you're a fellow cop. We know you guys are separated and getting divorced. Can you help us out at all? And in between the shaking and the tears, Valerie told them she actually didn't know if Isaiah had any enemies, though he had been having a hard time making ends meet lately. So he started a little side business recently selling fireworks.

• 13:15Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 13:16Payton Moreland?

  And she's like, I don't know if this will be helpful. This is all I know. And really Valerie seemed to be in complete disbelief over this entire situation. Thankfully, she wasn't alone when the news was broken to her. With her at home was actually her new boyfriend, 54 year old John Deruba. And he appears just as distressed and heartbroken over this situation as Valerie is. They both seem like this is some shocking news and Valerie seems to think it's heartbreaking.

• 13:56Payton Moreland?

  But police also know, okay, this John, this John Deruba is sitting here in this apartment. And they know he's part of the reason that Valerie and Isaiah had split up in the first place.

• 14:13Garrett Moreland?

  Not saying they did anything because we're not even close to done with the story yet. But, but I'm trying to say is, say you killed someone, cops come to your house. You're supposed to act surprised. Do you think you could do it?

• 14:27Payton Moreland?

  No.

• 14:28Garrett Moreland?

  Like, I feel like I would just be like, oh my gosh, are you ser-? And it would just be so obvious that.

• 14:33Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 14:33Garrett Moreland?

  Like you, there is nothing like a raw reaction. I think it's, I think it's pretty difficult to imitate a raw reaction.

• 14:41Payton Moreland?

  I think some people, maybe even like people who are able to actually kill other people are kind of good at it. But then you have like Chris Watts.

• 14:50Garrett Moreland?

  Actors are good at it, actresses and actors.

• 14:52Payton Moreland?

  Yeah, but then you have like Chris Watts, who you only need to watch two seconds of that police body cam footage to know he's lying. Like it is so, he is so uncomfortable.

• 15:03Garrett Moreland?

  Are you, no, are you serious?

• 15:04Payton Moreland?

  Like he, he's to the point where he's like, having a hard time responding because he's lying.

• 15:11Garrett Moreland?

  And that's what I mean. It's not that you have to act surprised because it's not like it's a fake, like you're an actor or an actress. It's that if you get caught, you're going to prison for life.

• 15:22Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 15:22Garrett Moreland?

  So all of that combined.

• 15:24Payton Moreland?

  Writing on it.

• 15:24Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 15:25Payton Moreland?

  I actually always think about that because I watch body cam footage a lot, especially of homicide investigations where the killer themselves is the one who calls the cops. So then they are the ones who are on the body cam footage. It is its own little unique corner of true crime because when you're watching this body cam footage in the future and knowing, oh, this person actually eventually confesses or eventually gets charged with the murder, you start to like.

• 15:56Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, you pick and.

• 15:57Payton Moreland?

  You just watch it and you're like, wow, this is so uncomfortable. How can they sit here and fall to their knees and wail?

• 16:06Garrett Moreland?

  I know.

• 16:06Payton Moreland?

  When like they're faking it.

• 16:08Garrett Moreland?

  It's, it's awkward, isn't the right word. It's uncomfortable, it's uncomfortable.

• 16:13Payton Moreland?

  And sometimes it really is, you know, oftentimes in our stories, we hear of detectives who are like, it just felt wrong. It just felt wrong. I don't really know, you just got a weird vibe. I don't know, nothing they really said, but then you watch like body cam footage and you're like, yeah, that just feels wrong. That just feels wrong.

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• 19:05Payton Moreland?

  So police are here, they've just broke the news, but they also know about Valerie and John. They know about this history. So it started not too long ago, actually, about a year earlier in 2017. John was outside of his house in Queens where Valerie typically patrolled as a cop. He was washing his car that afternoon when Valerie stopped her cruiser with her partner and yelled out to John. She literally yells out of her car, she introduces herself and she's flirting with him.

• 19:44Payton Moreland?

  Just this random guy that she comes across washing his car and John flirts back and he eventually asks her, are you single? Valerie told him, no, she was married. But then her partner, her police partner that is sitting in the car with her chimes in saying, she's not happily married though. So clearly Valerie has opened up to people in her life that her marriage isn't going well and she's open about it enough that she's comfortable enough to just like, take a shot and flirt with a random person in front of her partner. Now here's the thing about Valerie and John, there was a big age gap between the two of

• 20:29Payton Moreland?

  them about 20 years, but neither one seemed to mind.

• 20:35Payton Moreland?

  So despite being married, John and Valerie exchanged Instagram handles and began messaging soon after that. And I do find this little interesting Valerie's username at this time, which again, this is 2017. Her username on Instagram is homicide hands.

• 20:54Garrett Moreland?

  Oh.

• 20:55Payton Moreland?

  Which she is a police officer.

• 20:57Garrett Moreland?

  I guess that's true. Okay.

• 20:58Payton Moreland?

  But it is just.

• 21:00Garrett Moreland?

  It's a little weird, but she is an officer. So I mean, I guess I could do.

• 21:04Payton Moreland?

  Yeah. So her and John are messaging, the messages get more and more frequent until John asked her, hey, would you be willing to meet up in person? Valerie says yes, but if they were going out in Queens, they had to be careful because Valerie still worked with her father-in-law, Patrick, who introduced her to her husband, and she didn't want word to get back to him that she had been spotted around New York with another man because she is still married. So John agreed to be her little secret. Soon they were sneaking around, meeting up in hotel rooms, and John was really starting to fall for her. He even told some of his friends

• 21:44Payton Moreland?

  that Valerie was the one, and he introduced her to his 14-year-old daughter who was excited for her dad since she had been encouraging him to date for a while. And keep in mind, he's 20 years older than Valerie. So he's definitely probably more in a place of I'm looking for a wife.

• 22:00Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 22:01Payton Moreland?

  Plus, John believed it wasn't one-sided. He believed this little affair, this little fling through it, that Valerie was falling for him too, despite having a husband and kids at home. There was one point when she was on vacation with Isaiah, her husband, but was texting John throughout the trip. She even sent John a picture after she wrote their names in the sand. It really seemed like she wanted to leave her marriage and she wanted to leave her marriage to be with John because Valerie complained non-stop to John about Isaiah. She said, he never paid attention to their children. He was constantly

• 22:42Payton Moreland?

  playing video games rather than spending time with the family. And she also told John during this time that Isaiah was abusive. Now, John was shocked by this because here was this take no crap, police officer who literally worked in the domestic violence unit with the NYPD. She is loud. She stands up for herself. How could she also be a victim of DV herself? And yet, he doesn't doubt her. He doesn't doubt it, especially when they have a close call with Isaiah about six months into this little affair.

• 23:25Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 23:25Payton Moreland?

  Valerie and John were looking for a place to sneak off to, and they chose a parking lot in Long Island for that night's location. The two of them were fogging up the windows when they looked up and they see Isaiah wandering around the parking lot, looking for Valerie, his wife.

• 23:47Garrett Moreland?

  My gosh.

• 23:48Payton Moreland?

  In the middle of the night. Apparently Valerie had forgotten to turn off her iPhone's location tracking that night. Now Isaiah never actually catches John and Valerie in the act because they see him first, but he's clearly on to something like he's out looking for her in the middle of the night.

• 24:09Garrett Moreland?

  That's wild.

• 24:10Payton Moreland?

  And Valerie was desperately trying to keep the truth from him, which was why John found it weird when Valerie told him to come over one night to the house she shared with Isaiah. This wasn't like something they normally did. So John said when he pulled up, his heart started racing as he noticed that Isaiah's car was in the driveway. And that was when Valerie texted him, oh, I don't want you to come in, just stay in the car, park about a block away, and then quote, watch the show.

• 24:43Garrett Moreland?

  What's up?

• 24:44Payton Moreland?

  10 minutes later, a police car pulls up and out comes Isaiah in handcuffs. He was placed under arrest that night for supposedly smacking her phone out of her hand.

• 25:01Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 25:02Payton Moreland?

  This is something Valerie, obviously as a cop knows, is considered disorderly conduct. This is an offense under the New York laws. Now, I don't know if she told John, oh, he only got arrested that night because he knocked my property out of my hand, or if she just let him believe that this was like a full-blown, and I'm not saying that's not aggressive or abusive. I just don't know what details if she lied.

• 25:28Garrett Moreland?

  Let it up to whatever John's imagination.

• 25:30Payton Moreland?

  Yes, because her husband's getting walked out in handcuffs and clearly this was planned because she texted John beforehand so that he could see this. And I don't know if she's doing this to prove to him that their relationship is violent. I don't really know the point other than that this has been reported.

• 25:50Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 25:51Payton Moreland?

  So.

• 25:52Garrett Moreland?

  Interesting.

• 25:53Payton Moreland?

  After this, apparently Isaiah packs up his things and moves out of the house. I guess maybe he's over it because she called the cops on him for hitting her phone out of her hands, whatever it was, just to get her off his back. He pleaded guilty to the charges and decided to just file for divorce. So meanwhile, John and Valerie are basically free to carry on with this affair, but they no longer really have to do it in secret because her own husband filed for divorce. But it wasn't all puppy dogs and rainbows from there. It wasn't like, okay, we're finally getting divorced and I can go be with my lover.

• 26:38Payton Moreland?

  No, John began struggling financially, mostly because of his new relationship with Valerie. He was paying for almost everything in her life, new jewelry, clothing, tires and brakes for her car. He was helping her out with her kids and her mortgage payments, obviously because her husband filed for divorce and moved out. Now it got to a point where John wasn't even able to make some of the payments on his own house in Queens because he was spending so much money on Valerie. And she wasn't exactly showing gratitude for it. Instead, John said that once her and her husband were officially going through separation

• 27:19Payton Moreland?

  and divorce, he started to notice more and more how Valerie had a jealous streak in her. And we're not talking about other women. Okay. Apparently Valerie is showing jealous behavior of his relationship with his 14-year-old daughter.

• 27:40Garrett Moreland?

  Oh.

• 27:41Payton Moreland?

  Which is just like.

• 27:42Garrett Moreland?

  What is going on? This is, I don't even know what's going on right now. Weird. This is a weird case.

• 27:49Payton Moreland?

  It's just feels so

• 27:53Payton Moreland?

  wrong to get mad at a man for having like a good relationship with his daughter and you thinking, well, I should come first, like above the kid. You know what I mean?

• 28:06Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 28:08Payton Moreland?

  Like, obviously it's not her child, but still just not a good, a good place to put anyone in. Now, John noticed Valerie would give him a hard time whenever he chose his daughter over her. She would want to know why he was spending money on her and not on Valerie and her own two kids.

• 28:26Garrett Moreland?

  I bet you that happens a lot, though.

• 28:27Payton Moreland?

  Oh, it's got to.

• 28:28Garrett Moreland?

  Cause it's all. I mean, I guess I say it's weird, but I bet you it happens all the time.

• 28:33Payton Moreland?

  I feel like it's a very easy.

• 28:35Garrett Moreland?

  And I think it's, sorry, I think it's more of not jealous of the kid, but because that kid's connected to the ex.

• 28:43Payton Moreland?

  And not your own.

• 28:44Garrett Moreland?

  Correct. I think it's probably where it stems from, if I were to guess. I don't know.

• 28:48Payton Moreland?

  Let me say this very carefully. I don't want my words to be misconstrued. I do not in the slightest think this is okay. I think people should seek help for behavior like this because it is coming from insecurity, most likely from ego. In the same sentence, psychologically, it is an easier concept to understand than other concepts that we see in true.

• 29:16Garrett Moreland?

  Honestly, I mean, not that I don't think it's weird, but like, but it happens all the time. So I don't know.

• 29:20Payton Moreland?

  Which is why I think you're saying that's because it almost feels like you can psychologically see how this happens. I still don't think it's okay. It comes to a point where it drove a wedge between John and his daughter. So now his own daughter is like, your new girlfriend just wants you to move on with her and her kids. She wants to forget about me. Keep in mind, this is his only child, but John just couldn't pull himself out of it. He said he was addicted to Valerie. She was almost like a drug to him. However, things come to a head about 11 months into their romance. One day, Valerie came out of the shower to see John texting someone and she demanded to know who he was texting. And

• 30:03Payton Moreland?

  John, who knew Valerie was envious of his daughter, said, oh, it's just an email. I'm sending an email. Now Valerie didn't believe him, so instead she grabbed her gun out of a duffel bag. Keep in mind, she's a police officer and points it right at John's face.

• 30:22Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 30:23Payton Moreland?

  She told him if he ever lied to her again, she would quote, blow his head off. So this, it, this, this interaction gets to the point that John knew he had to do something. So he calls NYPD and spoke to their internal affairs office.

• 30:40Garrett Moreland?

  I am going to speculate right now what's going to happen. I'm guessing that the husband wasn't actually abusive and she's nuts. That's what I think's going on right now, but I'm going to feel pretty bad if that's not true. So hopefully that's what happened.

• 30:57Payton Moreland?

  No matter what, this behavior is alarming and abusive that she is showing to John. I mean, yeah. So he calls NYPD and he's like, listen. Your cop Valerie, yeah, she held her gun to me and said that she would blow my head off and I'm kind of in fear of my life, like that she so easily did this, that she works for the police. Now thankfully, the NYPD took his complaint seriously. They took away Valerie's gun and they put her on modified duty while they looked deeper into the matter. And they also moved her off the domestic violence unit and switched her over to the video interactive patrol enhanced response unit.

• 31:41Garrett Moreland?

  Nice.

• 31:42Payton Moreland?

  Otherwise known as the Viper, which Garrett would be part of the Viper.

• 31:48Garrett Moreland?

  No, not true. I'd be secret agent. I'd be out there doing crazy stuff.

• 31:53Payton Moreland?

  Okay, the Viper unit monitors the security cameras around the city.

• 31:58Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I bet you that.

• 32:00Payton Moreland?

  You don't want to do security cameras. You're obsessed with security cameras.

• 32:03Garrett Moreland?

  But I bet you the Viper, no offense to anyone who's on the Viper, but I bet you everyone who's on the Viper is trying to get out of the Viper. Could be wrong.

• 32:12Payton Moreland?

  It is probably a lot of useless footage, but when they do hit gold, that's gotta feel pretty good.

• 32:18Garrett Moreland?

  But I would assume like, I don't know how much about the chain of command and how it works, but you know, people are trying to get to certain positions.

• 32:25Payton Moreland?

  Her bosses are like, you work in the domestic violence unit and you held a gun to your boyfriend's head and threatened to kill him. So you're getting moved to Viper because he reported it. We're looking more into it and John breaks up with her. Okay. He's like, I don't, I'm not putting up with this behavior. This is not healthy. So Valerie hits an all time low. Okay. So she has destroyed her marriage to be with John. She's going through this divorce and now John just broke up with her and she just got her gun taken away and demoted at work.

• 32:57Garrett Moreland?

  Nice.

• 32:57Payton Moreland?

  And Isaiah is also ready to close the chapter on her too. Like I said, in late 2017, Isaiah is really ready to move forward with the divorce proceedings. And it was at this same time that his stepdad, Patrick, gave him some news. Someone had come to him saying they thought they could help Isaiah out with his divorce. And this is where this case really takes a twist. Okay. Because Patrick, who works with Isaiah's wife that he's divorcing, comes to him and says, Hey, someone came and visited me and said they could help you out.

• 33:39Payton Moreland?

  It was John Deruba, her ex boyfriend. This hitting him out of left field and not knowing what he had to say. Isaiah actually accepts an invitation to meet up with John, basically his ex-wife's boyfriend, ex-boyfriend at a restaurant. And this is when John kind of breaks everything to Isaiah. They get to the restaurant and he's like, listen, yes, I'm her ex-boyfriend. Like we broke up, but also we had been having an affair while you guys were still married. Definitely since before the separation, John wanted to apologize about the role he had played

• 34:22Payton Moreland?

  and how he had definitely believed Valerie when she told him Isaiah was the abusive one in the marriage. John told him, he also found text messages on Valerie's phone between her and Isaiah. And when he saw Isaiah texting her about how badly he wanted to make things work for the sake of their son, he realized that Isaiah probably wasn't the monster she had made him out to be. Basically, John meets up with Isaiah because he wants to clear his conscience and make things right with Isaiah. Now, of course, that didn't change the past, but it did help John really close the book on Valerie because he's now kind of taken team Isaiah, at least for a little while.

• 35:07Payton Moreland?

  Now Valerie continues calling John throughout the rest of 2017 and 2018. She's like, please, don't leave me. I love you. And it got to be so much that John actually filed a restraining order against her. And then around March of 2018, she violated that restraining order by making contact with John yet again. And if I had to try and digest this psychology as someone who does not have a degree in this and is speaking just purely from my human experience, I would say everything crashing down on Valerie from the evidence we have about her personality,

• 35:50Payton Moreland?

  this was probably absolutely devastating to her that everything crashed down. And now John not only wants nothing to do with her, but literally wants nothing to do with her so much. He took a restraining order out on her and I'm assuming she just can't handle it, like her ego and how she got herself in this situation cannot handle the fact that he doesn't want her anymore. And so she's going to the lengths of literally breaking a restraining order to try and get with him, to try to win him back.

• 36:24Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah. I mean, I think that she has probably always been like this and that people like this are used to getting their way all the time. And so when they don't get their way, it's usually not very happy. So happens. You meet people that get their way all the time and we all see it, whether it's like you're at a restaurant or you're at a bagel shop or you're anywhere, right? When people are used to getting their way out of the time and they don't get their way, whether it's in work, business, whatever it is, usually it's an unhappy sight.

• 36:55Payton Moreland?

  My guess would be she doesn't even really like John that much. Her ego just cannot handle this blow to the point that her own brain is convincing her that in order to feel better and to have her ego feel better, she just needs him to like her again. Like she, she literally can't handle it, which is why she's breaking this restraining order. And after this time that she breaks the restraining order in March of 2018, John had her arrested. But John knew if he wanted this to be over, he would have to face her in court for what he imagined would be

• 37:37Payton Moreland?

  one last time. Instead, the opposite happened.

• 37:43Garrett Moreland?

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• 38:49Garrett Moreland?

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• 39:47Payton Moreland?

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• 40:28Payton Moreland?

  ahead of crime and in real time. On the day of the hearing for this, John claims he and Valerie go to court and he hasn't seen her. He makes eye contact with her when she entered the courtroom and he said, it was like all the feelings he had for her came rushing back. And I'm just like, John, no, don't fall for this. So the two, I guess, continue to make eye contact or make eyes at each other throughout the trial about him having a restraining order on her. And when they broke for recess, Valerie's dad actually walks up to John and asks him a favor. He's like, Hey, would you just consider dropping the charges?

• 41:13Garrett Moreland?

  Oh my gosh.

• 41:15Payton Moreland?

  So Valerie doesn't lose her job. He, he basically tries to play on his heartstrings. He's like, that's her livelihood. Her kids' well-being depend on it. Like she just, she likes you. Can you please just drop the charges?

• 41:29Garrett Moreland?

  She held the gun to my head. No, thank you, sir.

• 41:32Payton Moreland?

  John caved. He goes back in the courtroom and says, I'd like to drop the charges. I made it all up.

• 41:38Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, hello?

• 41:39Payton Moreland?

  He even admits to perjury.

• 41:41Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, no.

• 41:42Payton Moreland?

  Doesn't have to go through this.

• 41:43Garrett Moreland?

  What happens next? She kills Isaiah.

• 41:46Payton Moreland?

  And that wasn't even the end of it.

• 41:47Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, my gosh. You've got to be kidding me.

• 41:50Payton Moreland?

  After that day in court, the two of them rekindle their relationship.

• 41:55Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 41:57Payton Moreland?

  John.

• 41:58Garrett Moreland?

  What? Hello?

• 42:00Payton Moreland?

  Can't stay away. And Valerie definitely is feeling on top of the world because she's won. Like, this is what, this is all she wanted.

• 42:09Garrett Moreland?

  Look, this is what they do. This is what they do.

• 42:13Payton Moreland?

  Valerie says she's willing to put the past in the past, which is so ironic. Valerie's the one who's like, listen, I will forgive you for calling my boss on me and getting me demoted. I will forgive you for teaming up with my ex-husband. I will forgive you for taking a restraining order out on me. Let's just have a fresh start.

• 42:36Garrett Moreland?

  Nice.

• 42:37Payton Moreland?

  And John's like, yeah, you're right. I am a horrible person. So by that summer, the two were living under Valerie's roof with her son. But it wasn't long until history started to repeat itself. She still refused to accept John's daughter. Nothing changed. She's still the same person. She just finally got John to like her back again. And she's also like, not only do I not accept your teenage daughter, I don't want her living with us.

• 43:04Garrett Moreland?

  What?

• 43:04Payton Moreland?

  And once again, John allows her to have her way. He told Dateline, quote, I was so in love with her. Anything she wanted me to do, I would do. So John arranged for his teenage daughter to go live with some friends of his because Valerie, his cuckoo girlfriend doesn't like her.

• 43:28Garrett Moreland?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:29Payton Moreland?

  And yet Valerie continues to fixate on his relationship with his daughter. She begins stalking his daughter on social media to find out where she was at any given time. She wanted to know everything she was posting, doing, who she was hanging out with. It got to a point where Valerie asked John to cover up the tattoo of his daughter's name.

• 43:48Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 43:49Payton Moreland?

  That he had. And he did it. But John admitted he didn't always feel like he had a choice. If he didn't obey Valerie's rules, she would take drastic measures. He knows this just as well as anyone. She would lock him out of the house. There were nights she forced him to sleep in his car. It was getting wildly out of control. It was abusive. John isn't sure how to stop it or get out. And then comes the accident. Around fall of 2018, Valerie was transporting an inmate at work and they tried to attack her. They almost broke her shoulder, leading to an extensive surgery. And after that, she was in bed for about three weeks. John ends up playing the role of caretaker, tending to her every need.

• 44:34Payton Moreland?

  That also meant dishing out her medication, a cocktail of painkillers and Xanax. And around the same time, the divorce proceedings between her and Isaiah were coming to a head. And when Valerie learned that Isaiah was actually entitled to some of her pension, she lost it. She started saying things to John about how Isaiah had to go. He was ruining her life. He was gonna take her money. Now, at first, John believed it was just the medication she was on, like, talking like this, that she wasn't thinking straight. But as time went on, Valerie healed, the medication subsided. She doesn't stop talking about getting rid of her ex-husband.

• 45:19Payton Moreland?

  Valerie even started to ask John, do you know anyone who could help me out with this? John's like, no. But she didn't let up. And eventually she makes an even crazier proposal. One day, Valerie said something to John along the lines of, you know, if your daughter was dead too, we could just live with my two kids. We'd be rid of everyone that's causing us issues and we would be happy.

• 45:48Garrett Moreland?

  Gosh, this is crazy.

• 45:51Payton Moreland?

  And it was in this moment that apparently everything changed for John, despite the abusive, mentally, emotionally relationship he was in. This was no longer a wife who was upset about a divorce. This was a crazed maniac who was now threatening to kill his own child to make their life easier. But instead of going to the police, John tries to just defuse Valerie. He even pretended to entertain it. Maybe she would change her mind. So he told Valerie, he found someone who could do the hit. Take out both Isaiah and his daughter for seven grand.

• 46:32Payton Moreland?

  Now, of course, John was not actually speaking to anybody, nor did he have any intention of following through with it. But Valerie apparently did. She took $7,000 out of the bank and gave it to John for the supposed hitman. And instead, John goes straight to the FBI. Now, after telling them about Valerie's plan and going as far as to take out cash for it, the police come up with a plan of their own. And you have to imagine, like, he shows up to the FBI. He's like, I have the literal cash. She's been talking about hiring a hitman to kill her ex-husband and my daughter. And I was just trying to see if, you know, maybe she was just going through something, but then she actually took the money out. She literally wants to do this.

• 47:18Payton Moreland?

  So they want to record John's conversations with Valerie going forward. So now John is kind of becoming a little informant, as he should. So starting around May 8th, 2019, nine days before Valerie ends up getting the knock on the door from police, John started wearing a wire around the house. It's a giant risk, but he committed to do the part.

• 47:43Garrett Moreland?

  I'm just like, never mind. I'm not gonna say anything because it's mean towards John. Okay, I'm gonna say, just can't, I'm not gonna say it.

• 47:50Payton Moreland?

  Don't say it.

• 47:51Garrett Moreland?

  Not gonna say it.

• 47:52Payton Moreland?

  If the roles were reversed and this was a girl, we would be talking about how it's emotionally abusive relationship and she's been.

• 47:57Garrett Moreland?

  It is emotionally abusive.

• 47:59Payton Moreland?

  And it is. He's being groomed.

• 48:02Garrett Moreland?

  It's true.

• 48:03Payton Moreland?

  He even went to get matching till death tattoos with her to just keep up this charade.

• 48:08Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, my God. I mean, eh, I get that.

• 48:10Payton Moreland?

  Uh, he's trying to be safe.

• 48:12Garrett Moreland?

  He's trying to die.

• 48:13Payton Moreland?

  Meanwhile, a clueless Valerie keeps hounding him. When are these murders gonna happen? Like, I paid you. I gave you the money. When is this gonna happen? So John puts his daughter into hiding and pretended to text with the hitman saying, hey, the hit would happen near Isaiah's office in Long Island. John even got the two of them on tape talking about how the murder. John even gets the two of them talking on tape about how the murder would not look as suspicious at that location, since it was in a bad part of town. And as for John's daughter, Valerie seemed equally as eager to remove her from the equation with these hits.

• 48:53Payton Moreland?

  John told her that that situation was a bit trickier since the hitman didn't want to kill her near her school. So Valerie, again, this is all on tape because he's now working undercover.

• 49:05Garrett Moreland?

  Like, how does she just believe all this? Like, she's kind of dumb.

• 49:10Payton Moreland?

  I think she's a little egotistical.

• 49:11Garrett Moreland?

  That's what I mean, though. Like, the fact that she's just thinking all this is actually happening is hilarious. It's funny.

• 49:17Payton Moreland?

  Maybe he's a good actor. Maybe he's doing a good job undercover.

• 49:20Garrett Moreland?

  He's crazy.

• 49:21Payton Moreland?

  Keeping up the charade. So she's like, oh, let me tell you how we can murder your daughter. At one point, she says, quote, okay, so she leaves school. You said he knows exactly where she lives, right? So what's the problem? She told John he should, quote, run her the F over. How about that?

• 49:41Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 49:42Payton Moreland?

  At this point, the FBI have, they have the entire Sunday.

• 49:46Garrett Moreland?

  Nice.

• 49:47Payton Moreland?

  They just need a cherry on top.

• 49:48Garrett Moreland?

  Arrest her at this point.

• 49:50Payton Moreland?

  And they had to work fast because if Valerie didn't think John's hitman was gonna follow through, she might just do it herself, find one of her own. So around May 16th, the FBI went to one more person that they need to clue in on this undercover operation.

• 50:04Garrett Moreland?

  Isaiah.

• 50:05Payton Moreland?

  Isaiah himself. Agents went to his parents' house where he was now living and told him, hey, so, yeah, we've actually been working with John, you know, the guy that your wife cheated on you with, uh, because she's trying to kill his daughter and you. And we've been working undercover with him and we have it all on wire. She's really trying to get you killed. So we gotta fake your death. Would you agree?

• 50:28Garrett Moreland?

  Cool.

• 50:28Payton Moreland?

  Can you help us so we can put her in jail? He's like, sure, yeah, obviously. So on May 17th, they led Isaiah to the same parking lot that was discussed between John, Valerie and the supposed fake hitman. They had him sit in his car. They tossed broken glass on him while he hunched over in the passenger side. And then they took dozens of photos from all different angles to find the best one. And at this point, you might be thinking you've heard this story before, but we have covered two cases now on this show of women who have hired, tried or attempted to hire hitman and or hitmen to take out their husbands. And then in one of the other cases, the husband also participated in a fake photo shoot to

• 51:13Payton Moreland?

  try to make it seem real. And then the other one, there was no photo shoot, but they did

• 51:18Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 51:18Payton Moreland?

  lie to her. So that might be why you're being like, this sounds familiar. I guess we have quite the MO here. I also think how uncomfortable would that be to like, be with all these FBI agents? You don't know, you show up to this location, they're like, hey, look dead. Play dead, like, look dead, we gotta get a good picture. We gotta make, it's just so weird and uncomfortable. So over at Valerie's house, John, her boyfriend, knew what the plan was. He was waiting with bated breath, knowing a knock would be coming to Valerie's front door any minute. He also knew Isaiah was not dead, but Valerie doesn't know this. She thinks the hit has gone through.

• 52:01Garrett Moreland?

  They go over there, they knock on the door, they tell her that Isaiah is dead.

• 52:05Payton Moreland?

  We're back to the beginning. Around 10 a.m., that knock finally comes in, the same knock we talked about earlier. Valerie welcomed the officers into her home. She pretended to be shocked and heartbroken, even offered up a possible motive. Remember, she's like, well, maybe robbery over his fireworks side hustle, remember? Now, after the waterworks subsided, the officers left and said they'd return with more news later. But now it was John's time to shine, though he didn't have to do much. Almost as soon as the door shut behind the officers on tape.

• 52:39Speaker 04

  Delete my [BLEEP] text. You're not keeping anything on the [BLEEP] phone.

• 52:43Payton Moreland?

  She told John, delete every conversation you had with the hitman. But before he could even do that, a text message came in from the supposed hitman that was actually the FBI agent. It was the photos that had been taken of Isaiah that proved he was dead. So John's like, look, the hitman just sent me the photos.

• 52:59Garrett Moreland?

  Why they're dragging the song so long?

• 53:01Payton Moreland?

  So that it's an open, there's no way to argue it. There's no defense.

• 53:05Garrett Moreland?

  It's like, how?

• 53:06Payton Moreland?

  Also, you don't think this is a little fun for them?

• 53:09Garrett Moreland?

  Sure, but it's just kind of getting ridiculous. Like, okay, like chop, chop.

• 53:12Payton Moreland?

  Babe, most of the time they're investigating a murder that has already happened. This is the one time they actually get to like, save someone.

• 53:19Garrett Moreland?

  It's also dangerous.

• 53:21Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 53:22Garrett Moreland?

  To be just letting it drag on the song like, okay, let's move on, let's arrest her, chop, chop.

• 53:26Payton Moreland?

  I think their excuse would be, we don't want her to be able to have any angle in court.

• 53:30Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, but there's zero angles at this point. It's kind of ridiculous. Sorry, just, I'm just saying. It's like, what if all of a sudden she grabbed a knife right now and stabbed John? It's like, oh, actually, if we would have came in 10 minutes earlier, that wouldn't have happened.

• 53:43Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 53:44Garrett Moreland?

  I don't know, just saying.

• 53:45Payton Moreland?

  So he shows her the pictures, the fake pictures. He's like, look, he's actually dead. Again, all of this is caught on tape. But after hearing Valerie tell John to delete the photos in their conversation, the police are like, hey, we don't want them actually deleting anything or her deleting anything. So we need to move in. So seconds later, again, they just walked out. Seconds later, there's another knock at the door. They open it. Valerie is placed under arrest. Uh, when she gets to Brooklyn where she's booked, this is when they finally tell her, oh, Isaiah is actually still alive.

• 54:19Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 54:20Payton Moreland?

  They let her go this whole time being confused. Her plot was a dud. John had been wearing wires. Uh, Isaiah was in on the whole thing. Everyone was in on the whole thing. And you're being charged with conspiracy to commit murder.

• 54:35Garrett Moreland?

  I'm curious to see what her conviction is because obviously hiring a hitman is horrible, but she didn't kill anyone. So I, I feel like they tend to be all over the place. Sometimes they're five years, sometimes they're 25 years.

• 54:49Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 54:50Garrett Moreland?

  They never seem to be very consistent.

• 54:52Payton Moreland?

  Yeah, I would agree with that. So I know you said there's no defense, but our girl Valerie comes with a defense.

• 54:59Garrett Moreland?

  I mean, I'm sure.

• 55:00Payton Moreland?

  At trial.

• 55:00Garrett Moreland?

  They all do.

• 55:01Payton Moreland?

  She blames it solely on John. Uh, her and her defense team say John coerced Valerie to make these statements, knowing the FBI was listening in. They said he set her up. They said any conversation she entertained was purely statements of fantasy about killing her ex and John's daughter. And John saw this as an opportunity to exploit her vulnerability. They also argued that no money ever changed hands outside of John and Valerie. They're like, no, like a hitman never actually got this money. Valerie just gave the money to John, which normally in these cases, they do try to get the money transfer. Um, they take it a step further saying, actually, it seems like Isaiah and John have conspired

• 55:45Payton Moreland?

  to work together to ruin Valerie's life. Like, aren't we here? And these two seem to be targeting her.

• 55:51Garrett Moreland?

  You know, sometimes people just don't deserve a defense. Like I get, we live in a country where that's obviously important, but you have your unique situations like this where it's like, okay.

• 56:03Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 56:04Garrett Moreland?

  We're just gonna waste taxpayer dollars and whatever, but I don't know, I think it's kind of funny.

• 56:09Payton Moreland?

  And then another thing they bring up is they're like, also, why did it take John so long to go talk to the police when she apparently had been talking about killing these people for a while? And the prosecution has a reason for that. They say he was in love with Valerie. He was under her spell. There was a little abuse, a little grooming going on here.

• 56:30Garrett Moreland?

  Going on, yeah.

• 56:31Payton Moreland?

  He didn't want to ruin things with her. He really wanted to see the best in her. But clearly, when he realizes she's dead serious, he does go to police and that's all that matters. So at the end of this, in April of 2021, Valerie decides to change her plea. And she agrees to a plea deal. The murder-for-hire charges were dropped and instead she pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice for encouraging John to delete that photo and the text messages. Valerie was given four years in prison.

• 57:03Garrett Moreland?

  Told you guys.

• 57:04Payton Moreland?

  Which is exactly.

• 57:06Garrett Moreland?

  Exactly what I said. They tend to be all over the place. You, you plan to hire someone and you can get out of jail in four years. It's insane.

• 57:13Payton Moreland?

  The thing that really, really sent it over was the fact that no money was actually ever given to a hitman. That was like.

• 57:20Garrett Moreland?

  You know, that's ridiculous though. Like, how much more evidence do you need? That is so insane.

• 57:25Payton Moreland?

  They were trying to cross their Ts and dot their Is. They still ended up leaving a loophole that to them proved this was not a murder-for-hire. No one was ever hired.

• 57:35Garrett Moreland?

  Okay. Did it go to a jury? Was it just a judge who decided this?

• 57:38Payton Moreland?

  She pleads her, they give her a plea deal.

• 57:41Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, my.

• 57:42Payton Moreland?

  They didn't want to take their chances.

• 57:43Garrett Moreland?

  You guys are kidding me right now.

• 57:46Payton Moreland?

  So she pleads and she apologizes and she says, quote, can't believe I allowed myself to get to that place, that dark place. Isaiah is one of the few victims we get to cover who actually walked away with his life.

• 58:00Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, seriously.

• 58:01Payton Moreland?

  And he says he owes that to John for going to the FBI. Valerie was released in October 2022. Since then, Isaiah says, I'm actually still constantly looking over my shoulder because she tried to kill me once. Like, what's stopping her from doing it? And she only had four years in prison. But the situation did come with a silver lining. He was given custody of his son, an outcome that could have gone completely different had Valerie Cincinelli actually gotten her way. And that is the attempted murder of Isaiah Carvalho.

• 58:36Garrett Moreland?

  That's the crazy part is you can go to jail for like 15 years for dealing marijuana, but you attempt to kill someone, four years.

• 58:44Payton Moreland?

  Or robbing a bank where you don't.

• 58:46Garrett Moreland?

  Just a few years. He'll change when he get out.

• 58:48Payton Moreland?

  Like, how?

• 58:50Garrett Moreland?

  That's a little frustrating.

• 58:51Payton Moreland?

  How is this not the same thing as armed robbery?

• 58:53Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 58:54Payton Moreland?

  Like, how is attempt, like, hiring, attempting to hire a hitman, not the same thing as going somewhere with a deadly weapon and using threat?

• 59:04Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 59:05Payton Moreland?

  I don't know. It's a crazy case. Thank you guys so much for listening and we will see you next time with another one. I love it.

• 59:12Garrett Moreland?

  I hate it.

• 59:12Payton Moreland?

  Goodbye.

• 59:21Speaker 05

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