What I Would Tell My 18 Year Old Self | Modern Wisdom Podcast 131

Jonny & Yusef join me for the first episode of the new year as we ask each other what would we tell ourselves 10 years ago. If you were given a 30 second phone call to yourself 10 years ago, what would you say? Buy Bitcoin? Learn to meditate? End that relationship? Do not dye your hair blonde? Today you get to hear us crack under the pressure of an imaginary phone call to our younger selves and then reflect on everything we've learned. Extra Stuff: Take a break from alcohol and upgrade your life - https://6monthssober.com/podcast Check out everything I recommend from books to products - https://www.amazon.co.uk/shop/modernwisdom - Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here: iTunes: https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/modern-wisdom - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: [email protected]

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• 0:00Chris Williamson?

  Oh yes. Hello friends. Welcome to a new year and a new decade for that matter. It is the first Modern Wisdom after the Christmas break and we've come back with what might be my favourite ever topic, what I would tell my 18-year-old self.

• 0:18Chris Williamson?

  This one is almost difficult to hear. It's weird to say things and hear advice come out of your own mouth, which kind of scares you a little bit. But yeah, I really enjoyed this episode. Looking at the similarities between what myself, Johnny and Youssef have learned over the last 10 years, drawing the common lessons that we've made and also the unique ones as well. We even gave ourselves the opportunity to call younger us and tell them something for 30 seconds, which again, I weirdly felt really pressured, even though it wasn't real. I felt under a lot of pressure. And Johnny's phone call was far better than mine and Youssef's because he went last. I wouldn't, I don't think I'd actually want

• 1:02Chris Williamson?

  a phone call from me. I would want me 10 years ago to get a phone call from Johnny on balance. But yeah, what an absolutely epic way to start the new year of programming off with. I know that you want as much Johnny and Youssef, Youssef, Johnny and Youssef, as much Johnny and Youssef as you can get your hands on. And I promise I'm going to try and tie them down to the couch so that we can push as many good episodes out as we can across 2020. And finally, I'm going to guess that as you listen to this episode, there will be a number of people that come into your mind who you think that person really, really needs to hear this. If that's the case, do not be shy. My goals for this year with regards to the podcast are just the same as they were in 2019, which is to

• 1:45Chris Williamson?

  push the plays as high as possible. And the best way that that happens is by you sharing the episodes. So please do not forget to press copy link, put it in a WhatsApp chat, put it on Reddit. I don't even know how Reddit works. Just give it a share. And if you are new here, hit the subscribe button, then you will be notified every time we release a brand new episode, which is Monday and Thursday, because we're back in business after the Christmas break. 2020, let's go.

• 2:29Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 2:31Jonny?

  Right then.

• 2:32Chris Williamson?

  Right, right. Listen up here, yeah? Podcast time. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. I'm joined by Johnny and Youssef from PropaneFitness.com.

• 2:41Jonny?

  Johnny and Youssef.

• 2:42Chris Williamson?

  Youssef from Johnny.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  And Johnny.

• 2:45Chris Williamson?

  And Johnny from Youssef. Youssef's got rid of the moustache, he's back now with a beard. It's a better look.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  So much better.

• 2:52Chris Williamson?

  Less pedoey.

• 2:54Jonny?

  Well, you just didn't mention that in the last one.

• 2:56Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, we have to play the podcast game of time.

• 2:59Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, anyway.

• 3:02Chris Williamson?

  Today we are talking about advice that we would give ourselves 10 years ago. Pretty good opportunity for us to just unload all of the shit that we've learned over the last 10 years. But we're going to try and keep it to within an hour. So hopefully be nice and condensed. Maybe you can take some wisdom away that we've gleaned, hard-earned wisdom over the last few years through blood and sweat and tears and feces.

• 3:25Jonny?

  Our loss is your gain.

• 3:27Chris Williamson?

  That's a really good tagline for a product.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 3:31Chris Williamson?

  Of some kind.

• 3:32Jonny?

  Like a hair loss product or something.

• 3:35Jonny?

  Well, that'd be your loss is our gain.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, which is a bit insidious.

• 3:38Jonny?

  Because if you lose your hair, then we're a profitable business. Our business will actually know because in that instance, we're getting too much into it.

• 3:44Chris Williamson?

  Anyway, so let's, let's do some framing. Johnny, what sort of a person were you? How old were you and what sort of a person were you 10 years ago?

• 3:52Jonny?

  I was, maths time, I was 19.

• 3:58Speaker 02

  Very blonde.

• 3:59Jonny?

  Yeah, I died by hair blonde at the time.

• 4:01Chris Williamson?

  Was it highlights or was it fully dyed?

• 4:03Jonny?

  Full, heado, heado.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  I think it's the only Facebook status I remember you posting as, just as like a status. It was quoting your dad.

• 4:11Jonny?

  Oh, yeah. Said that, I, I mean, I'm not going to do it.

• 4:16Chris Williamson?

  Say it.

• 4:16Jonny?

  No, no, because, no.

• 4:18Speaker 02

  You have to start the podcast again.

• 4:19Jonny?

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  But it was, it was a derogatory remark made about Johnny's hair.

• 4:24Jonny?

  I was probably quite, so I think the thing that I would tell 19-year-old Johnny and probably 20-year-old, 21-year-old, 22, probably up to like

• 4:33Chris Williamson?

  We're getting into it already.

• 4:34Jonny?

  27. But it's just, because this is the theme, like, you think you know it all, don't you, when you're 19? You think you've got it figured out. You're like, yeah, I've been through my teens now. I know the crack, I know the score, I know the scene, you haven't got a fucking clue until you're like at least twenty eight, twenty seven, and I would say probably thirty nine year old me.

• 4:57Chris Williamson?

  He's gonna think.

• 4:58Jonny?

  Will be saying the same thing. And that probably like, yeah, I just think your entire twenties are just this one big realisation that nothing's unbelievable, if you don't know what you're doing.

• 5:09Chris Williamson?

  You're just fumbling around in a dark room.

• 5:11Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 5:12Chris Williamson?

  Picking, trying to find the light switch. Looking, uh, what's that? I can't use that. What's? I can't use that.

• 5:18Jonny?

  Oh, that's outdated.

• 5:19Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Would you, okay, so let's take it from the top. Would you tell nineteen year old Johnny to um not dye his hair?

• 5:29Chris Williamson?

  That's the question. This is the question that the internet has tuned in to hear.

• 5:34Jonny?

  Hmm. That's why everyone's here.

• 5:35Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 5:36Jonny?

  All these people here.

• 5:38Chris Williamson?

  Thousands of people.

• 5:39Jonny?

  That's why they're here today. Um, I think, I think you have to do things to learn why. So like, I'd have told myself not to, and I wouldn't have listened to me.

• 5:54Jonny?

  Maybe I would listen to me.

• 5:55Chris Williamson?

  You also don't wanna be one of those people who at the age of forty, never dyed their hair when they were eighteen.

• 6:00Jonny?

  Midlife crisis. So what, what, what happened was I finished school, I went on a holiday, like the holiday, a lot of people go on when they finish school. Um, broke up with the girlfriend I was with at the time. I was just about to go to uni, I had all this like really long summer ahead of me. And I was like, you know what? Bollocks, I'm gonna dye my hair.

• 6:20Chris Williamson?

  I'm gonna become the guy that has blonde hair.

• 6:21Jonny?

  Yeah, and I was like, I'm just gonna become this like different person. And I think going into uni, it did a lot for my confidence, and I can't place why. But at the time, like now would be really weird. Like, I think no one does that, but at the time, loads of people were. Um, so yeah, probably would do it again.

• 6:37Chris Williamson?

  So what else? What else were you? What was, what, what was your um?

• 6:40Jonny?

  I was about, I was about seventy seven kilos.

• 6:44Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 6:44Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 6:45Chris Williamson?

  That's, that's a lot of weight gain in ten years, man.

• 6:48Jonny?

  Yeah, I'd gone from um.

• 6:49Chris Williamson?

  Two kilos a year over ten years.

• 6:51Jonny?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:54Speaker 02

  Is that right, actually?

• 6:55Jonny?

  Yeah, yeah, probably around eighty kilos.

• 6:58Speaker 02

  Is that right?

• 7:00Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  I remember end of school, you went up to, was it, he was in stone at the time, so I think he kissed a hundred. Post holiday.

• 7:11Jonny?

  No, no.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  Down and then.

• 7:13Jonny?

  Almost right, but I'd been at uni for a bit.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 7:16Jonny?

  Anyway, oh, yeah, we're good, in the weeds, um, so, yeah, just come out of like doing a lot of running. So I did a lot of running when I was that age.

• 7:27Chris Williamson?

  Legs.

• 7:28Jonny?

  Legs, yeah, I was good at running, actually, um, probably thought I was just gonna follow a traditional. Path of probing didn't exist then.

• 7:40Speaker 02

  Two thousand eight.

• 7:41Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 7:41Speaker 02

  Was the.

• 7:42Jonny?

  Also did the, the, the outline of it existed, but I thought it was like, there's no way I'll ever do that as a more than a, more than a joke. Um, I was studying economics, probably pretty boring.

• 7:56Jonny?

  Bursting to get to uni and just.

• 7:59Chris Williamson?

  Blow it all out.

• 8:00Speaker 02

  Let loose.

• 8:01Jonny?

  Just give the tubes a good. Just give them a good.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  Give the pipes a clean. All pipes.

• 8:07Jonny?

  Okay. Yeah, just give it a, have a good, have a good, really get in it and.

• 8:11Chris Williamson?

  All right, so that's where you were ten years ago. Seth, what were you ten years ago?

• 8:15Speaker 02

  So.

• 8:15Jonny?

  I'm looking forward to this.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a lot of differences there.

• 8:20Speaker 02

  So, I, I think just going back one year more, so.

• 8:24Jonny?

  Yep.

• 8:25Speaker 02

  Just before eighteenth birthday was fifty nine kilos.

• 8:30Jonny?

  What do you weigh now?

• 8:31Speaker 02

  Went up, so over three months, I gained thirty kilos.

• 8:36Speaker 02

  Went up to ninety, thinking it was all muscle.

• 8:39Jonny?

  Over three months?

• 8:40Speaker 02

  It was three, probably three to six months, uh, it was when I was doing like.

• 8:44Jonny?

  Go mad.

• 8:44Speaker 02

  Pint of double cream before bed, shots of olive oil throughout the day, um, mutant mass, had consumed eight kilos of that.

• 8:52Jonny?

  Rich.

• 8:52Speaker 02

  Which is a, a one thousand calorie drink that you have, a two thousand calorie drink that you have twice a day. Um, just like plowed the food, otherwise was very.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  Religious. Um.

• 9:08Jonny?

  How did that manifest?

• 9:09Speaker 02

  Spent a lot of time in the mosque, was celibate, didn't drink, um, all of the kind of.

• 9:15Jonny?

  I have a memory of Youssef from this period of time. One of the only memories I have, we were on an art trip. It would have been like eighteen seventeen.

• 9:22Speaker 02

  Ramadan.

• 9:23Jonny?

  Yeah, and I was walking, not Ramadan, we were in uh Amble, Amble Side on an art trip. I went for a piss at like four in the morning. And there was, there was a light on, someone in a room. Put, put my head in, Youssef sat by himself, eating a green pepper, like an apple.

• 9:41Speaker 02

  So th- this is the difference between, like, the, the flipping between extremes of, at the time, probably weighed, uh, weighed under sixty kilos, um.

• 9:49Jonny?

  Shreddy though.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  Shreddy.

• 9:50Jonny?

  Shreddy brick.

• 9:51Speaker 02

  Thinking that a green pepper is the thing to eat when you've got a window of time to, to eat in Ramadan and Youssef trying to retain your.

• 10:00Jonny?

  And you're having super low volume, super high volume, super low calorie food.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  Couldn't have found a vegetable with lower calories really, so.

• 10:07Jonny?

  It's mostly air, isn't it?

• 10:11Speaker 02

  And then switched from that to the other extreme. So, yeah, very quiet, re- uh religious. Um, not, didn't really know why I was at uni or what I was doing, like went in to do maths, just because I thought, oh, I like maths.

• 10:28Speaker 02

  And then ended up kind of on the wrong track and not, so there was some lessons to be learned from that, but. The, I was also very reckless with my body.

• 10:39Speaker 02

  In the, obviously gaining mad amounts of weight, but also just. Training on and through pain quite a lot. So. There's a few training mistakes to get into as well, but I'm sure we'll, we'll get into that in a second.

• 10:52Jonny?

  Did you, you didn't squat, squatting three times a week or something?

• 10:55Speaker 02

  For a while, yeah, I mean.

• 10:57Jonny?

  Breathing squats?

• 10:57Speaker 02

  We, yeah, breathing squats, we, I mean, we rotated through all kinds of, uh.

• 11:01Jonny?

  Bladness.

• 11:02Speaker 02

  Every, every stupid diet and training.

• 11:04Jonny?

  It seems like sort of, so hearing some of the common themes between both of your guys' things, what you've both come back with is fitness. So in one form or another, fitness was still a really big bit of your life when you were ten years ago.

• 11:15Speaker 02

  It was, we were, we were pre-menopausal, so it was.

• 11:18Jonny?

  I think probably both of us pre-fitness were, um.

• 11:23Jonny?

  Probably, I don't know, maybe not for you. I was, I was fat, lacking in confidence. Like sixteen, seventeen year old me, like no female attention, no, like didn't really think very much of myself. And then fitness was my like access into gaining self belief, I think. Was that the same for you or less so?

• 11:44Speaker 02

  It was something that I just kind of.

• 11:50Speaker 02

  I'd, I'd, yeah, I don't think I've got as um as much of like a, a kind of.

• 11:54Jonny?

  Rocky story.

• 11:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, rocky kind of story for that, but um. Yeah, there was the, it was the, it's definitely the common thread that like went between extremes of just. Trying mental stuff and then.

• 12:10Jonny?

  Which, which I mean, you know, ten years later, going, joining a cult. Um, uh, for forced submersion for two hours a day, getting banned from Jasmine Pool.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Um.

• 12:20Jonny?

  It but reminders to set yourself to just eat a big bowl of spinach, like nothing's changed.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  The.

• 12:27Speaker 02

  That, that is, that is a few years ago and now, now it's very much just on maintenance mode, like it's, I think, having. Shaken all that stuff out, cleared out the pipes, it's, it's just on.

• 12:38Jonny?

  The mechanism. It's how we all met though, isn't it, fitness? In one way or another.

• 12:41Speaker 02

  It's true.

• 12:42Jonny?

  So we met, cause in the school gym, we met Chris because of propane fitness. We met Ben because of Harrison.

• 12:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, so all, all.

• 12:51Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 12:52Speaker 02

  All comes back to Babbel.

• 12:54Jonny?

  Well, I mean. Where were you ten years ago, Chris?

• 12:56Chris Williamson?

  So I would have been twenty one, so.

• 12:58Jonny?

  The central reservation in Spain.

• 13:01Chris Williamson?

  Ten years, no, that was twenty five.

• 13:02Jonny?

  Right.

• 13:03Chris Williamson?

  It was a little while before I went on TV.

• 13:04Jonny?

  So you'd have been finishing uni.

• 13:06Chris Williamson?

  No, so I did a placement year, um, and then also did a masters, so. I was at uni five years, so I only left uni at twenty three.

• 13:15Jonny?

  We met, we'd have met you.

• 13:17Chris Williamson?

  Twenty five, the years, so one year, no, sorry, twenty four. Um, so twenty one, I would have been still running Carnage, which is a big bar crawl in Newcastle.

• 13:28Jonny?

  You are still saved in my phone as Chris Carnage.

• 13:31Chris Williamson?

  I can tell the people that know me from that era because they just call me Carnage. And it's the most bizarre thing to hear someone say that now, the same as people that don't know that I used to have a massive Afro. The same as people that don't know that was on Take Me Out or Love Island, like you have these epochs of your life. Yeah. And people are riding it. And especially if you do kind of what we've done and you're in the world of online marketing or, you know, like content creation or whatever. There's, there are people that inevitably come, like there'll be people that you have listened to ten years ago that you don't listen to now. You know, like the guys from like, um, T Nation or whatever, like maybe able to quote their stuff inside out.

• 14:08Speaker 02

  So is Afro like a line in the sand for you? That like, is that a time that?

• 14:11Chris Williamson?

  I think so, yeah.

• 14:13Speaker 02

  Have you, have you had, I don't know if you've had anyone who you haven't seen since pre Afro? And then they approach you and speak to you as if, like, as the Chris that they knew and it's, and it's almost like a.

• 14:25Chris Williamson?

  As Afro Carnage. Yeah, maybe a little bit.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  Like there, there's this, there's a phenomenon where like people put you in a role that they remember you in.

• 14:33Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, well, until they update the programming, why should they consider anything? They've got to extrapolate forward. You know what I mean? Unless, unless you come and you've now got like long hair and dreads and you're covered in tattoos and you're wearing elephant pants, like, why would they presume that anything's changed? Yeah. So, um, so yeah, twenty one, I would have been fully drinking the club promoter Kool-Aid. Um, I would have just completed. So right now, considering that we're in December, um, I would have just been kicked out of Scotland by Scottish Parliament. Um, for, uh, having our personal licenses threatened for both me and Darren, uh, through on BBC Radio Parliament Scotland. Uh, because they didn't want Carnage doing multi-site, uh, bar crawl events in their cities.

• 15:12Chris Williamson?

  Uh, so we ran out, uh, I would have also just been hit head on at sixty miles an hour by a snowplow on the A one going up to Scotland. Um, which.

• 15:20Speaker 02

  Hit by a snow.

• 15:21Chris Williamson?

  Hit by a snowplow at sixty miles an hour, so a hundred and twenty mile an hour impact. Um, that was fun. Um.

• 15:28Speaker 02

  It's amazing that you were right.

• 15:29Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, it only clipped us, but the damage was intense. Every airbag deployed and all the rest of it. Um, anyway, that was, that was fun, but this was when I was. Shout, into me.

• 15:40Chris Williamson?

  Uh I was hosting in Tucked Up Palace with my top off um three nights a week Thursday, Friday, Saturday. Glitter. Yeah, yeah, stencil, spray paint. This is where I put you in like the Scott Timlin and sort of. Gary Vidal. Yeah. Uh Scott Disneyland, all that, Joss Mooney, like that, that whole crew, that was it. So that was, I think, probably um the height of or close to the height of like hyper partying for me. Um but yeah, again with that, like I'd started to attach a lot of my sense of self-worth to my success within business, to my notoriety um socially around town.

• 16:19Chris Williamson?

  I think going through school, um I'd been um less central socially with like big groups of people and stuff. And then you get to uni and it's the ultimate chance to kind of reinvent yourself and become someone and have a um tighter social circle. And um yeah, I I just had sort of found my feet with that. And then it becomes like this self-perpetuating cycle of like partying more, no more people become more popular, partying more, but no more people become more popular. Da da da da da da. And then you can always justify it because it's like, well, it's my job. Like, my job is to know people, the more people that know me, the more come to my events, the more money we make. Um so yeah, that would have been that.

• 17:02Chris Williamson?

  And then rolling it forward for me, there was quite an important period between twenty one and twenty four, which was when I started to properly become a businessman with regards to events, run, started running weekly Saturdays. And anyway, I think a lot of my time again there was fitness, was quite bothered about. Um my training uh was about to go, so in six months' time, I would have been going to go and do a season in Ibiza. Like fell in love with a girl out in Ibiza and went and had this like crazy holiday romance thing out there, which was like a really interesting, that beautiful experience, actually, like even ten years on, still like a lovely, a lovely thing to look back on. Uh but yeah, I think that was, that's kind of probably a pretty good landscape to do that. So to give it a headline, right, we can get into some nuance and stuff in a second.

• 17:47Chris Williamson?

  But you've got thirty seconds, you can phone yourself ten years ago from now, and you've got thirty seconds. Oh. To speak to them, and I'm gonna time it on here. Um so you can have, you can have a minute to prep. Um I actually got asked this, um.

• 18:04Chris Williamson?

  Oh no, it was in, it's in the six minute diary. It's in the six minute diary and it's like you've got thirty seconds, so I just wrote it out. Um, so I think I can probably afford to go first if you want. Okay, right.

• 18:16Jonny?

  Do you want me to time you?

• 18:17Chris Williamson?

  It's, I can watch it on here, I can see it. Okay, so ring, ring, ring, ring.

• 18:22Jonny?

  Hello?

• 18:23Chris Williamson?

  Hi mate, it's Chris, don't ask. Right, um, you need to stop drinking and focus on personal development. You need to learn to um, focus on yourself first and not on other people. Confidence comes from within. You don't know as much as you think you do. Stop getting into relationships with girls that are bad for you. No, I really mean it. Stop getting into relationships with girls that are bad for you. Um, you need to spend time around other people, you need to travel more and you need to let go of the feeling that you are not good enough. There you go, that's twenty seconds.

• 18:56Jonny?

  Oh, but uh uh.

• 18:58Chris Williamson?

  Cut the hair, cut that hair.

• 19:01Jonny?

  If, if you got that phone call, you'd just be like.

• 19:05Chris Williamson?

  Feel like Kelly's right at the plane. So the big thing, the big things for me, or like the, the big things to take out of that headline were, um, I kept on getting in and out of relationships with girls. And the longer term reason for that was because I hadn't had a lot of relationships when I was younger. I, I had a difficulty saying, no, this isn't right, because I, deep down, I don't think I felt like I was worthy. So it's like, who am I to say to this girl that like, I'm not supposed, like, I shouldn't hurt her. And I think that that stemmed from me being like, well, I'm not supposed to have relationships. That wasn't what I've grown up with. This is all new to me. This is a blessing that I should be like really happy for or whatever, whatever. Um, and then other things were, I was focusing very much so on what other people thought of me.

• 19:48Chris Williamson?

  I was bothered about like how I was regarded by everybody else as opposed to indulging in my own, like genuinely in my own interests, which is what I do now with this podcast. It's like, I get to speak to whoever I want and if people like it, great. And if they don't, then fantastic. Also, like, I'm just bothered about what I do. Pursuing all the passions that I do now, again, is mostly the same. I'm like beholden to very few people and I, I don't care. Um, so that was, that was headlines for me. So who, who wants to go up next? Johnny, Yusuf?

• 20:18Jonny?

  Yeah, I'll go.

• 20:19Chris Williamson?

  Okay, right. Ring, ring, ring, ring. Answer.

• 20:26Jonny?

  Hi, uh, it's me. Um, and you. Um.

• 20:35Chris Williamson?

  Um.

• 20:38Chris Williamson?

  Hold on, I need, I need to stop. Because I had, I had it so clearly and I had a minute ago. It's gone. All right.

• 20:43Speaker 02

  It's gone.

• 20:44Chris Williamson?

  It's gone. It's gone, okay. Well. I mean, this is, there's, there's, there's no more high pressure phone call that you've ever got to make, isn't it?

• 20:51Speaker 02

  If you got a call from your future self and it was like.

• 20:54Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Have you heard the thing? Is it in, is it in Chin paradox or something? It's like how to define your life values. And it's like, you've got one, imagine you're on your deathbed and your grandkid comes up to you and says, grandad, what's a, what's a, what's a, what's a single sense of advice you give me? Fuck, and you've got a minute. That's how to define in your life what's most important. Hmm. But with that in mind, here comes Yusuf.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  Ring, ring.

• 21:22Chris Williamson?

  Hello, Yusuf speaking.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  Ring, ring. Hello, Yusuf speaking.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  That is correct, so.

• 21:31Speaker 02

  Listen to me very carefully.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  Ditch religion, ditch the girlfriend.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  Progressively overload, pick a single programme, do it for the next 10 years, don't deviate. Only gain maximum one kilogram per month.

• 21:50Speaker 02

  Um.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Take a year, think about what you wanna do.

• 21:57Speaker 02

  And.

• 22:00Speaker 02

  I had another one.

• 22:01Chris Williamson?

  Spend time with dad.

• 22:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was, that was this.

• 22:05Chris Williamson?

  I know.

• 22:06Speaker 02

  Spend time with your parents, meditate, read, do it properly.

• 22:12Chris Williamson?

  Isn't it interesting that? Like, it's such simple shit and it's so boring. Like, if I'd got that call from me, fucking hell, all right, man.

• 22:21Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, that, well, I definitely wouldn't have wanted to hear this, don't slip a disc. Cause I, I would have been like, oh no, I wanna get like a deadlift PB even if it hurts.

• 22:30Chris Williamson?

  Like, no, that's for the rest of your life, that slipped disc is there.

• 22:33Speaker 02

  Do not slip a disc.

• 22:34Chris Williamson?

  Do not ring me. Um, yeah, it's like, if I'd got that phone call 10 years ago from fucking boring arse, 31 year old. So, you've been sober how long? Right, well, how many birds have you banged in that time?

• 22:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:48Chris Williamson?

  And you got rid of the hair.

• 22:51Jonny?

  Right, well, you must still at least be lifted. CrossFit? What? What's that?

• 22:55Speaker 02

  Oh, it didn't even exist.

• 22:56Jonny?

  I know. Um, right, Jonathan. Right, I've made a list. Are you checking it twice?

• 23:09Jonny?

  Naughty.

• 23:10Speaker 02

  Making a list.

• 23:11Jonny?

  Naughty.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  Checking it twice.

• 23:13Jonny?

  Right.

• 23:14Speaker 02

  Ring, ring. Ring, ring.

• 23:16Jonny?

  Hello. Right. One. Do five, three, one and track calories from today. Don't deviate from that until you stop progressing on the key lifts. Start, start meditating from now. Uh, Google it, figure out basic stuff, just begin, do something, do ten minutes. Um, go to things, go to events, go to things with friends, even if you think, oh, it's a bad idea, that's a waste of time. You'll remember the experiences more than things that you accumulate or buy. Um, take propane more seriously sooner. Stop pissing around with it. Learn marketing and sales, trading and coding. Hire a coach sooner. Ask for help sooner.

• 23:53Speaker 02

  That's far better.

• 23:54Jonny?

  Fuck, you've nailed it. I wrote it down. Yeah, that's true. We've progressively, mine was really messy, yours was kind of messy and yours was fucking great.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  I was thinking too much about the fitness because I've done a podcast already called, what would you say to your eighteen year old self? And it was three bits of advice, fitness wise, which is the do five, three, one for ten years, don't deviate. Uh, get as lean as possible once and then just gain like.

• 24:16Jonny?

  Slowly red. Ring, ring back.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  And stay injury free. So, but then, but then the other ones threw me off and I was like, oh, so, but yeah.

• 24:27Jonny?

  But there's so much to get in.

• 24:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. Take, take propane seriously, learn to code, learn to trade, like those that, yeah.

• 24:33Jonny?

  Start meditating, hire a coach.

• 24:35Speaker 02

  I think.

• 24:36Jonny?

  Jesus.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  Like, i- if you're eighteen, I'd say go an hour a day because you've got so much time when you're eighteen, but you think you don't.

• 24:42Jonny?

  Do what an hour a day?

• 24:43Speaker 02

  Meditate an hour a day.

• 24:44Jonny?

  Do you know what else I tell myself starting uni? Um, do, so I would try, I'd write myself a morning routine. That's still like pretty basic bitch, which would just be like, read two or three pages of something that you find interesting. Meditate and just do two pomodoras of work. Like, even if you do fuck all else for the rest of the day, just do two pomodoras. That and evernote premium. Well, it didn't exist at the time. I can remember sitting in the corner of my room at uni, writing out, Googling, looking up on like the Tesco website, making myself a diet plan. Trying to work out macros and calories because my fitness power didn't exist. I was thinking about this. Pace of progress from two thousand and nine till. People haven't got a fucking clue. And also, like, I feel like that was the golden era and it's boring now.

• 25:28Jonny?

  I remember when I thought creatine, I wasn't sure whether creatine was legal or not.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:33Jonny?

  Like, I remember. Jack three D used to have amphetamines in it.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, the the two pomodoro's thing as well, like, I'm convinced that I wasted eighteen months. Total time between.

• 25:45Jonny?

  And then you cram it.

• 25:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, between eighteen and twenty three, I think, like.

• 25:49Jonny?

  Right, right, okay. That's more macro. You don't mean over a year, you mean over several years. Okay, so.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  Dicking around.

• 25:55Jonny?

  We've heard what each of us have said.

• 25:57Speaker 02

  Oh, download cold turkey. That was gonna be step one.

• 25:59Jonny?

  Download cold. Didn't exist either. This is what I mean. Like, so my net diary was your best crack at tracking calories. You know, you know what all of us should have done, which would have fixed all of these? Buy Bitcoin. If we'd all just said, buy Bitcoin.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  God, God. Mate, who was like, mate, I'm thinking of buying this. It's called Bitcoin. And I was like, no, it sounds stupid.

• 26:18Jonny?

  Well, okay, so buy Bitcoin, buy Facebook, because it just. Buy Amazon. Buy, uh, Netflix, buy Amazon. And then just, and then don't bother with you. There's no point.

• 26:28Speaker 02

  Because those actually would be better than, because all the advice we're saying now would, yes, it would have got you to a better stage, but actually we wouldn't have had any of the insight that would have generated. The.

• 26:40Jonny?

  So this is the problem. This is one of the. It's like your future financially, you know.

• 26:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:44Jonny?

  And then you can double, just work on everything.

• 26:45Speaker 02

  Oil.

• 26:48Jonny?

  I still remember the conversation that we had where it was after the oil, when oil like tanked. And we had like, I don't know, maybe like ten grand or something in the business. And I was like, how much would we have made if we just shorted oil with all the money in the business at the time? And Yusuf was like, it would be infinite.

• 27:08Jonny?

  I was just like.

• 27:08Speaker 02

  There would, there would be, it'd be infinite with no down days.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  Every single day between, I can't remember the dates, but it was like a two year run of just that like tanking oil. So you would have, you would have

• 27:22Chris Williamson?

  And you just let it run.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  Releveraging and just re-entering the trade at fifty times leveraged, you would have jerked. It's because like

• 27:28Chris Williamson?

  You ended up with a, an anus like a windsock. As a result of that period of time, didn't you?

• 27:35Speaker 02

  It's because, yeah, because I entered far too late. It was the time when like, I think it was the Saudis or the Kuwaitis that were just dumping oil into the supply, not caring about the price.

• 27:43Chris Williamson?

  So that's an important thing. Let's say that you're, let's say you're someone who's, you can be any age and listening to it and thinking, oh, there's a couple of tiny little nuggets of wisdom in that flood of shit. That's, that's

• 27:54Speaker 02

  Really badly.

• 27:55Chris Williamson?

  That's just been put out there.

• 27:56Jonny?

  There'll be several people who just download five three one and start doing it though, won't they? And they'll be saved then.

• 28:01Speaker 02

  That's made me realise how terrible I'd be on a thirty second phone call with myself. It'd be like, oh, oh, and download Kentucky. What's that like?

• 28:07Chris Williamson?

  You'd plan it.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:08Chris Williamson?

  What you want to do is give advice that is access to advice, rather than the advice itself. Ring this person, speak to that person, do this person. Yeah. Cause then you leverage the time. Yeah. And so some people might be listening and fucking whatever age, there might be some nuggets of wisdom and we'll get into them in a second, but you've hit

• 28:26Jonny?

  Modern wisdom.

• 28:27Chris Williamson?

  Modern wisdom. It's, this is ten years ago wisdom. Uh, you've hit the nail on the head there that without context, without like the environment to absorb these understandings, it's fucking nothing. Like all of the, and I was going to do a podcast on this ages ago and I realised that it was a one sentence podcast and the question was, um, why do realisations about our lives take so long to sink in? I can tell you the equivalent of mate, you're going to get hit by a car in ten years' time and you won't believe it until you get hit by the car.

• 29:01Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 29:02Chris Williamson?

  And we are doing that constantly, riding the crest of now all the time. Like I know for an absolute fact that if I stopped doing Instagram, stopped doing Twitter, stopped doing Facebook and doubled down on podcasts and YouTube, my reach in five years' time would be bigger than if I did that. And I'd be happier and I'd be more productive. I know, I know it for a fact. But I can't bring myself to do it until the point comes when I have to do it.

• 29:28Jonny?

  I think in five years' time, it'll all just be.

• 29:31Chris Williamson?

  One platform.

• 29:32Jonny?

  Well, just search platforms. Facebook, the social stuff will be.

• 29:35Chris Williamson?

  Instagram will be one, won't it? So.

• 29:37Jonny?

  But I I just think people are fighting it, moving away. Chris is right, like, people want, um.

• 29:43Chris Williamson?

  To to be in control of that.

• 29:45Jonny?

  Yeah. It's it's where you like create a real following.

• 29:50Chris Williamson?

  Um. So, yeah, the.

• 29:51Jonny?

  I'll start a YouTube channel.

• 29:53Chris Williamson?

  Slash.

• 29:54Jonny?

  Tell yourself that ten years ago, like, really double down on getting good YouTube.

• 29:58Chris Williamson?

  Channels.

• 29:58Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 29:59Chris Williamson?

  Like, people were going.

• 30:00Jonny?

  I like learn Facebook ads, like the people who were running Facebook ads in two thousand and seven, taking candy from a baby.

• 30:07Chris Williamson?

  So that that is such a good point, like, eh, in fact, anything online, so writing a blog, doing a YouTube channel, like.

• 30:13Jonny?

  Coding, yeah.

• 30:14Chris Williamson?

  Any YouTube channel that is like, has one thousand subscribers and is like mildly successful now, would have.

• 30:20Jonny?

  Hundred thousand.

• 30:20Chris Williamson?

  Flown.

• 30:21Jonny?

  Back back then, if you use a decent camera, that was all you'd need to do to differentiate.

• 30:26Chris Williamson?

  So we can be wistfully nostalgic about the time when we could have and should have and would have as much as we want, but I think. Um, yeah, without the context, like, all of the lessons that we're talking about here kind of don't really matter. So it, and this is one of the criticisms that I get about life hacks, although I think it's slightly different because those are designed to be piecemeal tools that you add into your life. They're not lessons that are supposed to be learned.

• 30:50Jonny?

  Mm hmm.

• 30:51Chris Williamson?

  Um, but let's try and take some of the stuff. We've had this thirty, you know, ninety seconds combined time. What are some of the things that we've tried to look at? We've said, uh, with regards to training, the principle is. Find a program which forces progressive overload and stick to it and do not do not change.

• 31:09Jonny?

  So eh, for me, it's encapsulated by, I think it's just Yusuf's quote, which is, the bad news is, there's no way to accelerate the process. The good news is, there's no way to accelerate the process.

• 31:20Chris Williamson?

  Ironically, in in us trying so desperately to accelerate the process.

• 31:23Jonny?

  You knocked it.

• 31:24Chris Williamson?

  We, yeah, like, and we were vacillating with all kinds of little, um.

• 31:29Jonny?

  Cause that's it, like.

• 31:30Chris Williamson?

  And attempts at optimizing stuff.

• 31:33Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  To the point where we actually lost sight of the.

• 31:36Chris Williamson?

  Can you describe in thirty seconds what five, what five three one is for people who don't know?

• 31:41Jonny?

  So it's nonlinear periodization, which just means there is a light week, medium week, heavy week deload. And it focuses on core lifts, big, big lifts, and it's, it's built in progressive overload that can last a very long time. So if you just go to the gym and just try and lift more weight, you'll hit a robot pretty quickly. If you try and hit more reps than more weight, you'll last a little bit longer, but again, hit a robot pretty quickly. If you just stick with five through one, you start off so light, there's so much longevity built into the way it's programmed and it's so simple. You, you also learn, the nice thing about it is so many people spend all this time in the gym, they don't really know what it's like. To, to approach a barbell and be a bit worried about it. Or even.

• 32:22Chris Williamson?

  That forces you into it.

• 32:23Jonny?

  Terrified about it.

• 32:24Chris Williamson?

  Five three one.

• 32:25Jonny?

  Yeah, that forces you into a level of, of progression that you wouldn't access through like chest and back.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  The, the problem is it's very butterfly effect because if had Johnny and I had just done five three one from the age of seventeen and. Not really thought about it and should let fitness blend into the background and then five years later, both be very, um, in very good shape. Uninjured. Lifters uninjured, we wouldn't, we wouldn't have generated the insight to create a fitness website.

• 32:54Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  With loads of content and loads and richness of experience to be able to create content with.

• 32:59Jonny?

  You also don't know, do you, whether or not doing all that stuff. Create results even better.

• 33:05Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 33:06Jonny?

  That's the real, because you can't, we talk about this all the time, like.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  If you can split test it. Oh, if you could split test yourself, that would be the number one superpower, hands down.

• 33:16Jonny?

  But you'd have to be able to rerun it though, wouldn't you? Because if you were just concurrently split testing.

• 33:20Chris Williamson?

  It's, you can't get to go back, so it doesn't matter.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  If it was A B versus like hundreds of parallel split tests and then you could just.

• 33:27Jonny?

  Oh, yeah.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  Or.

• 33:28Chris Williamson?

  Um, so training, we've said the ethos for whoever is listening is find a program. Which has progressive overload built in, is that the key thing with five three one?

• 33:38Jonny?

  So I think the bigger thing, which is what I was saying with Jesus quote is whatever you do, you're gonna have to do it for a long time for it to work. So pick something that.

• 33:45Chris Williamson?

  You enjoy.

• 33:46Jonny?

  Is not that of a difficult thing to do.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  And not stupid.

• 33:49Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 33:50Chris Williamson?

  So like. Don't try and become a yoga master whilst also trying to beca- become a powerlifter.

• 33:54Jonny?

  Or like if you hate the thought of going to the gym. Don't pick going to the gym.

• 33:59Chris Williamson?

  Take up running, take up rugby, take up fucking.

• 34:01Jonny?

  And if if going to the gym for two hours is a massive problem for your schedule, don't do that either. Like, whatever, think whatever I pick to do now in in this week as an example, I'm gonna have to do that every week for the rest of this year.

• 34:14Chris Williamson?

  Can I deal with it?

• 34:15Jonny?

  Can I? Is that possible? And if not, do something else.

• 34:18Chris Williamson?

  Okay, so that's where we've gone with fitness. What else did we touch on? Um, I think yours yours was fucking amazing, man.

• 34:25Jonny?

  Loads.

• 34:26Chris Williamson?

  Um, so.

• 34:27Speaker 02

  But the so I suppose the principle behind learn to curd, learn to trade, um, it's learn Facebook ads. Th- this is all stuff that only now do we know the um, the impact of the having those skills and having learned them or started them ten years ago.

• 34:41Chris Williamson?

  So advice to people now for them to take, it's less of a global heuristic.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  It would be look, look ahead and say what is going to be the skill or the the feature or whatever that is going to be most valuable in five years' time, and how can you get an edge on that now? So that's a very, that's almost impossible.

• 34:58Chris Williamson?

  Alexander Cortez podcast I did with him at the start of the year, he said if he was to give someone skills, it would be um, coding, website, copy, um, the ability to sell.

• 35:09Jonny?

  Hmm.

• 35:09Chris Williamson?

  Uh, and uh, like speaking, so ability to be on podcasts, to speak live, to have to handle with people.

• 35:17Jonny?

  Communicate.

• 35:18Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 35:18Speaker 02

  So so the last three, I think, would be useful, but what we don't know is, is the future of coding actually gonna become less valuable as, because coding as a skill becomes less code intensive and easier as time goes on, because the tools with which you code with become more and more complex and have larger building blocks to be able to put things together.

• 35:39Chris Williamson?

  About making a website, you need to know HTML, you're a ten years ago.

• 35:43Speaker 02

  But now, yeah, so so actually it's useless to know HTML now if you have to make a website, because even if you were to hand code it in HTML, you you're no better.

• 35:50Chris Williamson?

  Going to be as good as Shopify or.

• 35:52Jonny?

  Ten years ago, you could have been the guy who created Wix.

• 35:55Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you have to either be one at one second order level.

• 35:59Jonny?

  You know, the hardest thing about all this is is that right now we're in the position that we're speaking to. Because our ten in ten years ourselves will be saying the same thing. And you just told you, you just gave yourself the advice you needed.

• 36:12Chris Williamson?

  Well, a lot of it's.

• 36:12Jonny?

  Give up on social and focus on.

• 36:15Chris Williamson?

  I it's but it's pulling the pin. It's not just about telling me advice, isn't it? It's fucking doing it.

• 36:19Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 36:20Chris Williamson?

  Like, you know, you know, like, have known fine well what would probably have been optimal with your training. Or with your your diet or whatever. And another thing we have to consider, it's all well and good going, I'll just stick to five, three, one for ten years. But it's like, yeah, all right, mate. I'm not a robot. I'm not, I I need to have variety in my life. Yeah, and we're not utilitarian fucking machines here. Like, I want to have variety. Um, but.

• 36:42Speaker 02

  But do you want variety more than you want results?

• 36:44Jonny?

  It's, yeah, do you want entertainment by the process or the progress?

• 36:48Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  Is that from a seminar somewhere?

• 36:50Jonny?

  It's it's just something that I came up with in an email.

• 36:53Chris Williamson?

  Webby.

• 36:54Jonny?

  Um.

• 36:55Chris Williamson?

  Do the webby. Splitting up with girlfriends, fucking hell, man. I mean, this wasn't one for you, but Jesus Christ.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  It was one for me.

• 37:01Chris Williamson?

  Oh, fuck, it was?

• 37:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:02Jonny?

  That wasn't one for me.

• 37:04Chris Williamson?

  Wasn't one for you?

• 37:04Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 37:05Chris Williamson?

  Was that because you were single?

• 37:06Jonny?

  Uh.

• 37:07Chris Williamson?

  Did you like your girlfriend?

• 37:08Jonny?

  Just broken up with a girlfriend at the time.

• 37:10Chris Williamson?

  Job done.

• 37:11Jonny?

  Um, but I I did definitely spend too long in relationships that I should have gone out of sooner.

• 37:16Chris Williamson?

  Why did you stay?

• 37:17Jonny?

  I I just needed somebody to sit down and explain box A, box B to me. If someone had done that, I think it would have been like the clouds parted and I'm like, right, right, okay, I can't open.

• 37:28Chris Williamson?

  I get it. You can't open that loop without closing it, but it's a complex thing.

• 37:31Jonny?

  Just so just don't don't stay in a situation that's bad and expect it to get better.

• 37:37Chris Williamson?

  Some cost.

• 37:37Jonny?

  Yeah. So that's the I did that with my job. I did that with relationships. I did that with some friendships. I did that with injuries and training programs. Like, so many things you think, like, this is a problem. I'm experiencing discomfort from this, but it's all right.

• 37:51Chris Williamson?

  It'll get better.

• 37:51Jonny?

  Be better next week.

• 37:52Chris Williamson?

  It'll fix itself.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  I mean, it it's kind of obvious. It's a bit clib to say this, but all of our thirty second calls are his three things to stop, his three things to start.

• 38:00Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 38:02Speaker 02

  Go ahead.

• 38:02Chris Williamson?

  Go.

• 38:03Jonny?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 38:03Chris Williamson?

  But I mean, what else is there?

• 38:05Speaker 02

  Well. You can only start or stop things.

• 38:07Chris Williamson?

  Things, yeah, that's it. Or keep going. Um.

• 38:09Jonny?

  But I I suppose it's with what you just said before, the box A thing is like, when you're in a winning scenario, absolutely double down on that. So rather than.

• 38:19Speaker 02

  Podcast platform.

• 38:20Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  Youtube, yeah.

• 38:21Jonny?

  And what you were saying about.

• 38:24Jonny?

  Were you saying pulled in loads of different directions?

• 38:26Chris Williamson?

  That was me, I think.

• 38:28Jonny?

  Was it? Right. So like, rather than thinking, I was what you were saying, I think on a previous episode of like, you're doing. A and B in the sc- the cost of switching between the two. Like, if you find something that you're doing in anything in life, like a skill that you're really good at, or a sport that you're really good at, or like.

• 38:44Chris Williamson?

  You're all in.

• 38:44Jonny?

  Whatever, just absolutely hammer down on that.

• 38:47Chris Williamson?

  So I mean, this is, again, it's, if I was to predict the advice, in fact, let's do that after this. Let's predict the advice that our ten year self from now will give ourselves now.

• 38:57Jonny?

  So great that this will hopefully still be on the internet.

• 39:00Chris Williamson?

  It will, unless, unless, of course, it's post apocalyptic death world.

• 39:04Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 39:05Chris Williamson?

  And we're all Mad Max.

• 39:06Jonny?

  The great leveler.

• 39:08Chris Williamson?

  The Russians.

• 39:08Jonny?

  The Russians, yeah, it is. You'll be fine now.

• 39:11Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 39:11Jonny?

  You will, you can just go back to Egypt. Um, yeah, so, yeah.

• 39:16Chris Williamson?

  They give you all the AK forty sevens and stuff anyway.

• 39:19Speaker 02

  Go back to Egypt.

• 39:23Speaker 02

  Take your pyramids with you, mate. Towel head.

• 39:28Speaker 02

  It's not even a racist term. It's like a, it's like a childish insult, isn't it?

• 39:32Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 39:32Jonny?

  Dear brain.

• 39:33Speaker 02

  Towel head.

• 39:33Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 39:35Chris Williamson?

  Um, okay, so we've got some stuff about relationships that we've, we've doubled down on things that we've. Or we've stuck in things that we're losing trades essentially and we've just let them run. I was talking to Chris Sparks, uh, yesterday, productivity expert, poker guy, and he lives on risk, right? Top twenty poker players on the planet, he, he lives risk for a living. That's his job to work out how much risk he's in.

• 39:56Jonny?

  Managers.

• 39:57Chris Williamson?

  And he does, and what he said was, um, at his end of year review, everything is up for sale. And I was like, what do you mean by that? And he said, nothing gets grandfathered in from year to year, nothing that I do.

• 40:09Speaker 02

  It's cool.

• 40:09Jonny?

  Yeah, so everything has to earn its right.

• 40:12Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, and he said he has two choices with everything that's in his life. Are you writing it down? Yeah. I recorded the call. I'll just send you the call. Oh, Chris, yeah. Sorry, Chris, if you're listening, mate, I didn't ask you permission. I'm sure you'll be fine with it. Um. So what he says is, as he ends the year, and this is such a clever heuristic, man, oh my god. As he ends each year, he has, looks at all of the different things that he's doing with his life. Relationships, friendships, business, hobbies, passions, et cetera. And he has two choices. One of them is double the amount of time that he's invested on it, and the other one is get rid.

• 40:51Chris Williamson?

  So practically, you have to cut, don't you? You have to cut fifty percent of everything you're doing.

• 40:57Chris Williamson?

  Right. Well, actually, no, sorry, you don't have to cut fifty percent of everything that you're doing, because you could get rid of a load of little things. Right, okay. You could actually cut ninety percent of the stuff that you're doing, and it still only be fifty percent of the time. I suppose what you're saying is. Ten percent of the stuff that you're doing, and it'd be ninety percent of your time. Yeah, yeah. But it's the, the idea of always be, always be questioning everything that you're doing, always be removing. Always be narrowing, always be niching harder into what you are good at. So all you do is one, one thing. It's terrifying. Yeah, because the first part, you're like, oh, that's hard. And then you're almost like, right, double or quit, you're like. And that's, that's the way, and he thinks about it from poker player's perspective, right?

• 41:37Chris Williamson?

  Like, every single year, at the end of every year, this is gonna go out probably just shortly into the new year, like. So every habit, every relationship. Everything that you do, you have to either choose whether you're going to double down on it, or whether you're gonna get rid of it. And I think it's, it's scary, but it's the way, it is precisely the way that everyone that we know is the best in the world at what they do. We don't know anyone, like, polymaths of fucking new age media do not exist. Like, does Gary Vee's as close as you're gonna get? But he's still one thing. He's still just produce content, mostly video and audio. I've seen him as Instagram, to be honest. Repurpose around different platforms. Like, there's no one, you know.

• 42:20Chris Williamson?

  James Clear, just double down on habits, just become the best on the planet. He's big, he's actually big on, like, he credits his business growth to, he just wrote two articles a week.

• 42:34Chris Williamson?

  Like one of his habits was writing. So he's like, I'm just gonna write two excellent articles every single week.

• 42:39Jonny?

  It's what we did for three, four years, isn't it?

• 42:41Chris Williamson?

  Were they all excellent? We stopped there. Were they all excellent?

• 42:44Jonny?

  They were.

• 42:45Chris Williamson?

  They were all, yeah.

• 42:46Jonny?

  Articles.

• 42:47Chris Williamson?

  We put a lot of time into that, really.

• 42:48Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 42:49Chris Williamson?

  Wow. So, yeah, I mean, that's uh something that you can try and take away, and I will be trying to as well. Um, if you have something in your life, you have a lot of things in your life. If you feel like you're spinning a lot of different plates, question why they're there. And think about, hang on, like, uh, what is it there for? Is it there because it's grandfathered in? Because it's already got a seat at the table? Or does it actually deserve to eat? And if it doesn't deserve to eat, then like it can make room for someone that does.

• 43:17Chris Williamson?

  We're all a bit stunned by that double down.

• 43:19Jonny?

  It just makes you think, doesn't it? And it just, and the thing we just said about, like, what you just said about how. Cause people follow, like, this is very businessy, I suppose, but people follow, like, good writers, good podcasters. People who are really influential on Instagram, people who are great on LinkedIn, Twitter, and they're like, right, well, I need to do all of those things. But none of those people are worrying about anything other than that thing.

• 43:45Chris Williamson?

  That thing, yeah.

• 43:45Jonny?

  And that's why they're there.

• 43:47Chris Williamson?

  So the problem with spreading yourself too thin is if you have a hundred units of talent and you spread it across ten things. Even if you are absolutely maxing out within each of those areas, you can only become as good as the ten out of one hundredth person that's in that category.

• 44:01Jonny?

  Where you'll, you'll just be beaten by the person who's doing one less platform than you, or one less thing than you. And you'll be annihilated by the person who's doing one of those platforms.

• 44:10Chris Williamson?

  You just get outcompeted by someone who's prepared to go all in on something.

• 44:14Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 44:14Chris Williamson?

  But by that same token, because we don't have the benefit of fucking divinity moving forward. We all also want to hedge. We're also not purely utilitarian beings. So it means that we want to have uh, different things going on so that we have variety that keeps us feeling alive, that keeps us having this diet of different things that make us feel interested and stuff like that.

• 44:35Jonny?

  Hmm. And different things serve different purposes as well, don't they? Like, it's not like, there's no such thing in anything that is a, that is a catchall. This is the one solution. This is the best thing. Like, there's no best training methodology. There's no best diet approach. There's no best recovery method.

• 44:52Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 44:52Jonny?

  But it's about like picking the most effective for you, isn't it?

• 44:57Speaker 02

  True, like you and to pick the optimum blend for the person that you want to be like, because going ten ten Xing down on the one thing means that you become by definition a one dimensional person. And if that's the goal that you're looking for and the person you want to be in ten years' time, then that's it. But yeah, otherwise it's it's like, but I mean, the principle still applies because you then you still cut out or double the things that you do care about, but you just pick that mixture yourself and say, right, that's that's the formula.

• 45:29Chris Williamson?

  I still think as well that a lot of, a lot of what most people will have the problem is a problem of abundance, not of scarcity.

• 45:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:37Chris Williamson?

  The problem is that they're trying to do too many things, not that they're trying to do too few too well.

• 45:41Jonny?

  Too many choices, isn't it? It's it's not like.

• 45:45Speaker 02

  I don't know what to do. Know that I'm sorry.

• 45:48Jonny?

  They have what like a a lack of.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  A too few, too well problem. Yeah.

• 45:52Chris Williamson?

  Not at all, no one. Um. Okay, so I mean, that's, we're all kind of a little bit shook after the fucking.

• 45:59Jonny?

  Ba- based on that, what is one thing that you know that you should be doing but aren't now?

• 46:08Chris Williamson?

  That's probably the wrong question to ask, I think.

• 46:10Jonny?

  Why?

• 46:12Chris Williamson?

  Because I am doing all of them. It's what things should I get rid of?

• 46:16Jonny?

  Is it not? Is there not something that you're thinking like, I really should be? Like, if you were to give yourself advice, you're like, I really should be doing this more, or I really, I should be putting more focus on this.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  Doing it more is different to to like doing it at all.

• 46:28Chris Williamson?

  Alright, yeah, fuck. That's adding that, putting another fucking seat.

• 46:30Jonny?

  So where where should your focus be based on?

• 46:34Speaker 02

  Because I asked our coach, um, like, should I, do you think I should learn to code?

• 46:40Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  Because that's something I'm not doing at all now and.

• 46:42Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  And he said, no, probably not, because it's not, it it's not a good, like, it's such a big learning curve and it's not a good use of your existing skill set.

• 46:52Chris Williamson?

  Mm hmm.

• 46:53Speaker 02

  Just pay someone to code and do the things that you do best.

• 46:56Chris Williamson?

  One of the things that's interesting, I guess, as you get older, is that the groove that you have greased is increasingly difficult to get out of. It's like, okay, I have this amount of time and the opportunity cost of spinning back around.

• 47:11Speaker 02

  Starting.

• 47:11Chris Williamson?

  To go and go like, okay, I'll code, I'll start coding now. It's like, well, hang on, you have all of these skills, all this experience, all this run now and all of this platform, whatever it might be that you have. And you're going to choose to no longer leverage any of that. So there has to be this acceptance of like, look, where am I now? What is the position that I am in right now and what are the skills that I have moving forward? Cause I think all of the things that we've chosen, that we've said there, like, um. Already leverage on stuff that we do. So for me, it was like, look, stop thinking about what other people think. That would have made me a better club promoter. I already was a club promoter. Um, focus on yourself and indulging in the things that you genuinely care about. Like, that was something that I was massively lacking in. So that was getting rid of something I didn't need.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  So what is an extra skill you can bolt on that won't just nullify all the previous experience that you've got? So in learning to code, I think if you have the skill of selling and then you add learning to code on top of that. Then you've got a combination that most salesmen or coders don't have the opposite of. And I think the people that do best at the moment, like at big tech companies, because. They can sell and code, they can build something.

• 48:21Chris Williamson?

  And then market it.

• 48:22Speaker 02

  Match it to the market and sell it. Whereas a lot of good coders don't think about front end or user experience or code or, or, um. Sales and they're just focused on like the product and end up having this gap. Or they create something that the market doesn't need. So actually marrying those two skills would work really well, but.

• 48:42Chris Williamson?

  It's trying to find the.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  What's easier, teaching a salesman to code or a coder to sell?

• 48:47Chris Williamson?

  I think they're two, they're two country things, aren't they? Why wouldn't you just, why wouldn't you just get a marketing specialist? Yeah, so that.

• 48:55Speaker 02

  Or you could say the same thing about why not just get a coder.

• 48:59Chris Williamson?

  Well, yeah.

• 49:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:01Chris Williamson?

  Like, you don't need to be.

• 49:02Jonny?

  Learn to sell and pay someone to code.

• 49:04Chris Williamson?

  Or learn to code and pay someone to sell.

• 49:05Jonny?

  But the person who can sell will be able to deal with the world once coding's just automated.

• 49:12Chris Williamson?

  So I spoke to Benjamin Dennehy, the UK's most hated sales trainer yesterday. Kiwi guy. And he was like, when the cockroaches rule the earth and the atomic bombs have all gone off, he's like, people still need me.

• 49:23Jonny?

  Yeah, you still need to sell.

• 49:25Chris Williamson?

  Still need to sell the atomic bombs?

• 49:26Jonny?

  Yeah, yeah. It's it's finding, so like the, in all the the platform questions, like the thing that remains in all of it is email. So the thing that like Netflix, John Lewis, like Amazon, all these companies send email.

• 49:43Chris Williamson?

  Email's Lindy, isn't it?

• 49:45Jonny?

  Lindy?

• 49:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is.

• 49:47Jonny?

  I don't know what that is.

• 49:48Chris Williamson?

  What? Okay, so Lindy, the Lindy effect is a mental model which describes the degradation of non-perishable goods and services. Uh, I think it's just like items essentially. So for instance, nineteen eighty four is a Lindy book. It's been around for thirty five years. Always therefore you can presume it's going to be around for at least thirty five more.

• 50:07Jonny?

  Right.

• 50:07Chris Williamson?

  Atomic habits has been around for one year despite the fact.

• 50:10Jonny?

  Oh, that, right, okay. Like, all right.

• 50:13Chris Williamson?

  Emails Lindy, like emails been around for ages.

• 50:15Jonny?

  So it's likely to.

• 50:16Chris Williamson?

  Be around.

• 50:17Jonny?

  So there's a, there's a graphic that's like going around the internet at the moment of like, things that happen per minute on the internet. Have you seen it?

• 50:22Chris Williamson?

  No, things that happen.

• 50:23Jonny?

  Yeah, like per minute. So like the number of Snapchat sent, the number of Instagram.

• 50:26Chris Williamson?

  Okay, okay.

• 50:27Jonny?

  And like, everyone expects, like, oh, it'll be like YouTube minutes, watch whatever. But it's like, email, like dicks on all of it. Like, the number of emails sent per minute on the internet is astronomical. But there are people who are like, oh, well, email, email doesn't work. I need me on social media. But then, like, people would not send emails. If people were not reading them, like, it would be the most asinine waste of time.

• 50:49Speaker 02

  Like, everybody at work.

• 50:51Jonny?

  Is email.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  Sending emails.

• 50:52Jonny?

  So like, the, so I see, whenever we're talking about that side of things, like where do we put our attention? It's like, well, as long as you've got an email list, as long as you're emailing. If you decide that Twitter's the thing, you just send them.

• 51:03Chris Williamson?

  Tell, tell all your emails. So like, there's a, I think, often, in every, like, area of your life, sorry, there's a, there's an email marketing version.

• 51:12Jonny?

  So it's like, right, I want to work on my, like, spirituality. Like, is it reading? Is it, like, yoga? Or is it just twenty minutes of meditation every day? Like.

• 51:24Speaker 02

  It's the email marketing.

• 51:25Jonny?

  Like, so to me, I think probably the the meditation, twenty minutes meditation. If I'm not doing that, then I've got no business like reading a self-development book.

• 51:33Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 51:33Jonny?

  Do you see what I mean?

• 51:35Chris Williamson?

  It's the, it's.

• 51:35Jonny?

  I think I've lost you soon.

• 51:37Chris Williamson?

  No, no, it's a. It's just a hub and spoke spoke model. So it's like the hub in the middle. The thing which is going to be there for the longest is email and then everything else is just extraneous bullshit.

• 51:47Jonny?

  Mm hmm.

• 51:47Chris Williamson?

  Like.

• 51:48Jonny?

  Okay.

• 51:48Chris Williamson?

  You build on top.

• 51:49Jonny?

  Still adds to the picture, but is.

• 51:51Chris Williamson?

  I'm I'm building a business. I'm I'm working really, really hard on my Instagram. It's like, okay, how long is Instagram going to be around for? How many people have you got on your Insta? I've got two hundred thousand. How many people get on your email list? I've got two thousand.

• 52:02Jonny?

  Mm hmm.

• 52:02Chris Williamson?

  Right, okay. Well, what happens when Instagram fucks off because email isn't?

• 52:05Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 52:06Chris Williamson?

  Um, okay, so.

• 52:07Jonny?

  It's just in terms of allocating your attention. So it's like with fitness and nutrition, like, are you aware of your calorie intake? Right, well, okay, well, if not, like, don't worry about supplementation, like, don't worry about.

• 52:18Chris Williamson?

  Calories always gonna matter.

• 52:20Jonny?

  Are you progressively overloading in something? And then.

• 52:23Chris Williamson?

  Don't worry about cross.

• 52:24Jonny?

  Are you doing email marketing? Yes, no?

• 52:27Chris Williamson?

  If no, go back to, are you doing email marketing?

• 52:30Jonny?

  It's the way to see it is like, if you and I are starting like a tic tic channel.

• 52:35Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 52:36Jonny?

  And I have an email list of a hundred thousand people and you have zero, who is going to win at the game of growing a tic tic? What is it? Is it channel? TikTok? Tic Ticks email list. Dean looked so upset there. I knew that I'd said something wrong.

• 52:50Chris Williamson?

  Dean worked in social.

• 52:51Speaker 02

  Is TikTok the thing that you sing into and then like?

• 52:54Chris Williamson?

  It's the new version of Vine.

• 52:55Jonny?

  Like.

• 52:55Chris Williamson?

  It's the new version of music.

• 52:57Jonny?

  Sing star. Tic Ticks what we use as a task management.

• 53:00Chris Williamson?

  With Pomodoro integrated.

• 53:01Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 53:02Chris Williamson?

  Okay, so we've got, we've got about ten minutes left. Um.

• 53:07Chris Williamson?

  We've spoken about the fact that sticking to the program is a good idea. We've spoken about the fact that doing less better or doing less more essentially is a pretty good heuristic to use. Young relationships should be let go of more freely than you think at the time. They just probably won't matter as much as you think they do.

• 53:36Chris Williamson?

  Seems pretty obvious looking back, doesn't it? How many people do you know that get together during freshers week at uni and then stay together?

• 53:44Jonny?

  They they do exist, but like.

• 53:48Jonny?

  This is a.

• 53:49Chris Williamson?

  Throw it out.

• 53:49Jonny?

  Do you think to say?

• 53:50Chris Williamson?

  Pull the pin.

• 53:51Jonny?

  A lot of people um that I know who've like been in relationships a long time, since we're like seventeen, sixteen, tend to have some kind of turbulence in their relationship because they haven't had the freedom aspect. There are obviously examples of of that not being the case.

• 54:07Chris Williamson?

  Well, Darren, clearly.

• 54:08Jonny?

  People that get their entire lives.

• 54:09Chris Williamson?

  Business partners and and his missus got together in like, I think, second year of uni, like halfway through the second year of uni. And they're like the fucking British version of the American dream, white picket fence, two dogs, two kids.

• 54:20Jonny?

  I mean.

• 54:20Chris Williamson?

  Amazing. But the problem is, they are the problem. They are precisely the problem because they give hope to the nineteen year old.

• 54:27Jonny?

  Who thinks that's the model.

• 54:29Chris Williamson?

  That this is what's gonna happen. So you, Darren, are the issue, okay?

• 54:33Jonny?

  Um it's like trying to, it's like saying like, oh, well, Alan Shearer just played loads of football, so that's what I'm gonna do, because that'll work for me.

• 54:40Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Okay, so what else?

• 54:42Jonny?

  Quite that. Survivorship bias. Yeah.

• 54:44Chris Williamson?

  What what else have you got on your phone, Johnny? What else was in that list that we've made?

• 54:47Jonny?

  Uh.

• 54:47Chris Williamson?

  You basically did the list for us three.

• 54:49Jonny?

  The the catchall thing that I added at the end that just covers everything is ask for help.

• 54:53Chris Williamson?

  Does that get a coach?

• 54:54Jonny?

  Yeah, well, so it was do five three one, start meditating. So do like, so don't, when you're, do things go to events, they're almost always a good idea. It's like, there's so many things that I'm like, I shouldn't do this, I shouldn't go to that, I won't go to that party, I won't meet that person for a coffee. It'll be shite. You go and it's mint.

• 55:11Chris Williamson?

  Awesome.

• 55:12Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 55:12Chris Williamson?

  Say yes to more adventures.

• 55:13Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 55:14Chris Williamson?

  Saying.

• 55:14Jonny?

  The trouble with that is you you you can, I imagine, get in there, some deep water quite quickly.

• 55:19Chris Williamson?

  You just say yes to everything.

• 55:20Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 55:20Chris Williamson?

  Have you have you ever been even close to that?

• 55:23Jonny?

  No, but that's coming from a, that's coming from someone who'd probably err on the side of like, that seems like a bad idea.

• 55:27Chris Williamson?

  Introversion, yeah.

• 55:28Jonny?

  Um whereas if you're like, I'll go to everything, and you start going to more.

• 55:32Chris Williamson?

  I know more people that are on, and this might just be like my sphere of awareness bias, but I know more people that err towards our side, which is say, need to say yes to less in terms of business. Projects and need to say yes to more in terms of experience and adventure.

• 55:50Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 55:50Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 55:51Jonny?

  Yep.

• 55:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:53Jonny?

  Start taking business more seriously sooner.

• 55:57Chris Williamson?

  I could have, that would have been fucking terrible for me. I'd already like completely linch pinned my sense of identity to the success of the business.

• 56:05Jonny?

  Right.

• 56:06Chris Williamson?

  Like if we had a bad night at work, I was a bad person. If we had a good night at work, I was worthy.

• 56:10Jonny?

  Right, okay.

• 56:11Speaker 02

  So doubling down on that would have.

• 56:13Chris Williamson?

  Would have been, it would have, for me, the, a better piece of advice would have been to have said, um, you are not your accomplishments.

• 56:21Speaker 02

  Sounds like you, you almost merged your social life with your, with your sense of this is business progress as well. Like whenever you went to a party, whenever you were like.

• 56:30Chris Williamson?

  Super messy.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, so.

• 56:32Jonny?

  Hard to not be the case when like probably everyone's, everyone else's social life is your work life. At uni, like you are the party guy.

• 56:41Chris Williamson?

  It's the inversion of what is still now. If you, if I speak to someone, hey man, like what are you up to this weekend? Like you fancy. Meeting up or whatever. It's like, oh yeah, like let's go on a night out. It's like, well, no, like that's what I do for work. I know it's what you do for fun. But what you do for fun, I do for work.

• 56:58Speaker 02

  Like another to have a cup of tea and.

• 56:59Chris Williamson?

  Well, just for anything that's not that, but for them it's the novelty. It's the same as fucking Sienna Day. It's like, if you've spent your entire day, we did a podcast with a porn star, if you haven't heard it.

• 57:09Chris Williamson?

  If you've spent your entire day getting DP'd off a huge Amsterdam man.

• 57:15Chris Williamson?

  And his friend, like, and you come home and your partner's like, oh, hi darling, how are you? Got my friend round here. He just fancies a bit of a go on you while there.

• 57:25Speaker 02

  But she, she is an exception.

• 57:26Chris Williamson?

  She'd be like, oh, I'm so fucking horrible.

• 57:28Jonny?

  Yeah, that might be her idea of the best evening ever.

• 57:31Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, true.

• 57:31Jonny?

  So.

• 57:32Chris Williamson?

  She really does. She's a goer.

• 57:37Jonny?

  The best thing about that podcast on YouTube is that the frame that she's in, you're also in. So there's times when she's talking about the most like vivid stuff and you're just like.

• 57:53Jonny?

  You should watch it, it's good. Um, so yeah, so start taking your business more seriously. The thing is, I don't, again, looking back, like, had we done that, it might have wrecked it. Cause I think probably there's part of the fact that we were just doing, because we just absolutely love doing it.

• 58:05Chris Williamson?

  And so it was emerging.

• 58:06Speaker 02

  Like, that's what got the organic inquiries was the fact that it was just putting out content.

• 58:10Jonny?

  Yeah, because we were just interested in it.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  It's what we tell our business clients now, isn't it? It's like, make content first, don't just go be the weird uncle at the barbecue that tries to sell straight away. Give first.

• 58:21Jonny?

  Start from passion. And just like the Google game takes a long time.

• 58:25Speaker 02

  We were ranking number first page on Google and getting organic inquiries for coaching clients from just like standard WordPress template that we were just bashing out.

• 58:35Jonny?

  But you said, you said for articles like literally seven or eight years ago that are still like the key drivers of our traffic. That's why I think search based stuff, like, and it'll be the same for YouTube.

• 58:48Chris Williamson?

  Lindy.

• 58:48Jonny?

  Like you'll have, I imagine there'll be episodes of Modern Muslim that are still ticking over daily.

• 58:53Chris Williamson?

  When we don't have stuff that surges virally, there is like ten episodes on YouTube that just do five K a day.

• 59:00Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 59:01Chris Williamson?

  Between them all.

• 59:01Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 59:02Chris Williamson?

  It just sits at that. And that's now the new baseline.

• 59:04Jonny?

  So that's the thing, like, compare that to Instagram. Imagine if you tried to get five thousand users a day on Instagram, the work required for that every day, whereas YouTube's just like, just lazy, it's the lazy river of the internet, isn't it? It's brilliant. Um, learn marketing and sales, we've covered that, learn trade, learn the code and ask for help.

• 59:23Chris Williamson?

  The ask for help thing's a big one, man. Like,

• 59:25Jonny?

  especially when you're that age, when you're young, like, I think you, you resist. I certainly resisted. Like, I didn't hire my first fitness coach, which is mental, till like,

• 59:33Speaker 02

  Twenty three, was it?

• 59:34Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 59:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:36Jonny?

  So I tried for ages on my own, struggled on my own.

• 59:39Speaker 02

  I wouldn't have it eighteen, I would have been like, oh, what do these guys know, like?

• 59:42Jonny?

  We had hours and hours of conversations trying to figure out, like, is it all right to have two high carb days or, or is one?

• 59:49Speaker 02

  Oh, that's stressing me out so much.

• 59:50Jonny?

  Yeah. So much so, one of the most, the highest performing things we ever did was got John Kiefer on the podcast right before car backloading was released. That hadn't, there was no thought in that other than we just need to understand whether it's all right to have fat in your backload or whether it has to be just carbs.

• 1:00:08Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that was why you asked him for podcasts.

• 1:00:10Jonny?

  And we asked him on the podcast, then I went on his podcast. And that was all just out of like desperation of like, John, how does insulin work? Please.

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  In that programme, like I remember, so you don't have carbs during the day, you have just fat and protein. And then five P M, K F C bargain bucket, uh, which is mostly fat dominant anyway.

• 1:00:31Jonny?

  And certainly from a calorie perspective.

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  And then, and then a drink that was one hundred grams of dextrose, uh, a hundred and fifty milligrams of caffeine.

• 1:00:40Jonny?

  Uh. The five.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  P M, yeah, five P M, lucine.

• 1:00:44Jonny?

  Because of like blood four or something, isn't it?

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:46Chris Williamson?

  Caffeine was shuttling it.

• 1:00:47Jonny?

  Yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah.

• 1:00:49Speaker 02

  Lu- lucine hydrolyzed whey, like the most, all the most disgusting powders just put into one thing. And you just blug it down, try and like, hold your nose, make sure you don't vomit for the next couple of minutes and you're like.

• 1:01:00Jonny?

  What I really missed about that though, was that it was, it was exciting as fuck, wasn't it? Like, I remember.

• 1:01:05Chris Williamson?

  New frontiers.

• 1:01:06Jonny?

  Yeah, I remember like, it was six A M and we were Skyping with, with John Kiefer for our podcast and like, being just beside myself with excitement about it.

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  And like doing the programme, like the.

• 1:01:16Jonny?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:17Speaker 02

  After having like five hundred grams of sugar. And just training.

• 1:01:22Jonny?

  I remember having my carb backloading protocol included.

• 1:01:24Chris Williamson?

  You did it for ages, didn't you?

• 1:01:25Jonny?

  Uh, so I remember you text me saying, can I have, it was a picture of birthday cake saying, can I have birthday cake for carb backloading? I was like, why did you have birthday cake? Why, why you want birthday cake? And your reply was, just said, it says on it, party, and I like to party.

• 1:01:43Chris Williamson?

  If, if anyone needed an explanation of the sort of asshole that I was ten years ago.

• 1:01:48Jonny?

  That was it.

• 1:01:49Chris Williamson?

  Party Chris.

• 1:01:50Jonny?

  I remember you used to eat, um, tins of chicken.

• 1:01:53Speaker 02

  Why, uh, chunky chicken?

• 1:01:54Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:55Speaker 02

  Still in there.

• 1:01:56Jonny?

  That's amazing, do you still eat it?

• 1:01:59Chris Williamson?

  That's real.

• 1:02:00Jonny?

  Is it like backup stuff?

• 1:02:00Chris Williamson?

  Desperate, yeah. Fuck, I've got no food, like.

• 1:02:04Jonny?

  Chunky chicken with rice.

• 1:02:06Chris Williamson?

  With rice, yeah.

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  Good meal, man.

• 1:02:07Jonny?

  And you, I remember your reasoning for carb backloading was, it was a reason that you had to go to the gym. Cause if you didn't train, you couldn't have carbs.

• 1:02:14Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:15Jonny?

  So it was like burger and cheese and egg.

• 1:02:17Chris Williamson?

  Oh, a way to do it.

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  Um.

• 1:02:19Jonny?

  Okay.

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  Calories, boring.

• 1:02:21Chris Williamson?

  We're coming to the end, uh, uh, uh, what are some of the things that you've realised during this conversation, John?

• 1:02:30Chris Williamson?

  That wherever you are giving people the most advice, it's probably where you need the advice the most. That's something I hear a lot at the moment. How so? Like, I think the stuff that you, all this stuff that we've just said is all advice that we all need right now. And like, if you think about all the stuff you tell your friends, all the advice you're giving to people. Like, look at that area of your life yourself, because it's probably the area that you talk loads about, but you don't actually do much in. Well, fantastic of talking a good game. Yeah. And of giving people advice that we wholeheartedly require ourselves. Exactly. What about you, Seth? Anything, any little gems come out of this one? Short oil. Yeah, short oil. Five acres and short oil.

• 1:03:13Speaker 02

  Well, like, all of the things there, like, we've gone general and specific. And actually, all that advice does apply for the next 10 years too.

• 1:03:22Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:22Speaker 02

  If anything, it's such a useful exercise.

• 1:03:25Chris Williamson?

  It's the best. We've been, we've all been tricked, haven't we? And given ourselves.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  What is the advice we need now?

• 1:03:29Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  For our 40 year old selves.

• 1:03:31Chris Williamson?

  What would you give, what advice do you give yourself now? Should have been the title of the podcast. There it is. There it is. But we'd have said the wrong shit then. We would have done, yeah. Because we've said the right stuff now. Yeah. Goodness for that. Parting thoughts, I think definitely, you know, Chris Sparks's conversation I had with him yesterday, that motherfucker. Like, saying

• 1:03:54Chris Williamson?

  nothing gets grandfathered into your life just because it's already there. Relationships, business, projects, passions, everything. And at the end of each year, everything's up for sale. Nothing gets a seat at the table, it has to earn its place to eat. And you either get to double down on it or it gets kicked out. Like, if you even manage to do

• 1:04:15Chris Williamson?

  10% of that heuristic each year, like, fucking hell.

• 1:04:20Jonny?

  There was a, when I was in the throes of fitness obsession, there was a photo that Martin Burke and uploaded onto Facebook with a glass of wine, like shredded glass of wine. And the photo just said, don't take this fitness stuff too seriously, let the good times roll. And he then got, had a bit of a breakdown and it wasn't on the internet very much. But like, I think sometimes though, like probably a bit of advice I would have also should have had 10 years ago is like, it's all right to not like have all the answers, be exactly where you think you need to be, be making progress all the time. Like you can just have a good, have good fun.

• 1:05:02Chris Williamson?

  Don't take it too seriously.

• 1:05:03Jonny?

  Yeah, let the good times roll.

• 1:05:05Chris Williamson?

  That is a great parting thought. Yeah.

• 1:05:07Jonny?

  Thanks to Martin.

• 1:05:10Jonny?

  And always remember that Martin Burke and is and has always been right about everything. Seriously.

• 1:05:15Chris Williamson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:05:16Jonny?

  In fitness.

• 1:05:16Chris Williamson?

  Okay. Every time we question something, we'll think like, oh, it's a bit off on there and then like.

• 1:05:21Jonny?

  We get a little idea of our own.

• 1:05:22Chris Williamson?

  Half a decade later.

• 1:05:23Jonny?

  We realise Mark was right the entire time.

• 1:05:26Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I mean, it's gonna hurt, it is gonna hurt if we look back at this in 10 years' time and all of the things that we've said are just like, ah.

• 1:05:35Jonny?

  But that's the motivation to not let that happen for heaven's sake.

• 1:05:38Chris Williamson?

  That is, that is the motivation, isn't it? It's trying to foresee what, what should I be? And the question that we're asking is what should I spend my time doing?

• 1:05:44Jonny?

  Hmm.

• 1:05:45Chris Williamson?

  We have a limited time on this planet, right? Like very few minutes. How do I make the most of them? And the first thing, I know that if Chris Sparks was here, he would say the first thing that you need to do is work out what you want. Because if you don't know what you want, you are actually flying in the dark. You're actually, you're just going, well, what, like, why should I do this? Because it gets me closer to end goal. And if you don't know what end goal is, what the fuck are you doing? So.

• 1:06:13Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:14Chris Williamson?

  Anyway, there may be some things that you want to discuss. You know where I'm at, at Chris Welleks on all social media, or leave questions in the comments below. Love to have a discussion about it. These guys at Propane Fitness and what's the business one?

• 1:06:28Jonny?

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• 1:06:44Jonny?

  I can't tell you that you just, you'll have to go to that.

• 1:06:47Chris Williamson?

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• 1:06:48Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:49Chris Williamson?

  Cool. Thank you very much for tuning in. Like, share and subscribe. Really appreciate you for dropping by. Okay. Bye then. Yeah, bye then.