£10,000,000 From Selling Nudes | Chelsea Ferguson | Modern Wisdom Podcast 139

Chelsea Ferguson is the founder of AdmireMe.vip. We're constantly being told that you can be anything you want and if you discover your passion in life you can find someone who will pay you for it... Well what if that passion is taking nude photos of yourself? Thankfully, even that is now an option now. Today we get to learn how Chelsea created a a £10m business in 16 months with only £45k of investment and a pair of breasts. Extra Stuff: Follow Chelsea - www.admireme.vip/chelseafergo Follow Chelsea on Twitter - https://twitter.com/chelsfergo Take a break from alcohol and upgrade your life - https://6monthssober.com/podcast Check out everything I recommend from books to products - https://www.amazon.co.uk/shop/modernwisdom #chelseaferguson #admireme - Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here: iTunes: https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/modern-wisdom - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: [email protected]

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• 0:00Chris Williamson?

  What's your revenue to date so far?

• 0:02Speaker 01

  Nine point eight million pound in sixteen months, nearly ten million.

• 0:07Chris Williamson?

  Ten million pounds from selling nudes?

• 0:10Speaker 01

  Yep, I'm making ten grand a week most weeks selling me nudes and that's just on top of whatever else the company makes. Fifty grand a month sometimes I make because of being the sex industry, you don't realise how much you're discriminated against. I had an account with Barclays which had had a million quid through and they sent me a letter saying we need you out by the end of the month. We don't want your money basically because it's dirty money to them. And it's funny because in the strip club over the years, the ones who used to come in the most was the bank managers. They were, they were the ones, man. We just do it on our phones in a first tune.

• 0:41Chris Williamson?

  Smoothie fanny over with Facetune?

• 0:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, just you know, in case you get any stubble rash.

• 0:45Chris Williamson?

  Have you considered releasing an app that's like V Tune?

• 0:48Speaker 01

  I was a bit like, because obviously everyone's seen my tits over the years, but I was like, do I want to put my fanny on the internet? And now it's like, uh.

• 0:59Chris Williamson?

  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Chelsea Ferguson in the building.

• 1:06Chris Williamson?

  How are you?

• 1:07Speaker 01

  Fine, you?

• 1:08Chris Williamson?

  Very good, thank you. Thanks for coming on.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  It's all right, no better to do.

• 1:16Chris Williamson?

  That's funny, man. So we've been friends for ages. We've been friends like ten years.

• 1:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's crazy, no?

• 1:21Chris Williamson?

  And we've been through having different jobs, you've been loads of different jobs. First, first things first, right? You're at a party, someone comes up to you and says, hi Chelsea. I'm a new human who doesn't know anything about you. What, what do you do for work? What's your answer to that?

• 1:39Speaker 01

  If I'm drunk or like it's like a young crowd, I'll just be blurt out like, I'm porn Sammy, like as a joke. And well, it's not really a joke because I have sucked dick on camera as well. Eh, no. And if it was like, you know, like an older woman, which usually the young ones know I am, so it would be like an older person. And I would just say that I own a website and then if they push me into saying what kind of website, I'll say a porn website.

• 2:03Chris Williamson?

  A porn website?

• 2:04Speaker 01

  A porn website, yeah.

• 2:05Chris Williamson?

  So is that the class of websites that Admire Me is?

• 2:09Speaker 01

  I class it as that, yeah, because it's like adult entertainment, isn't it?

• 2:12Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  And everybody's pretty much shagging on there and stuff. There is people that don't, but like, yeah, it's obviously not safe for work.

• 2:20Chris Williamson?

  Not, definitely not safe for work. No, yeah. So. Someone, again, listeners, some people know who you are, some people won't. What's admire me?

• 2:29Speaker 01

  Uh, admire me is a website where, um, men and women can make up their own profile, some couples as well do. And make your own profile, set your own price and then upload basically nudes, pictures, videos, like home movies, whatever you wanna upload. And you charge whatever you want. Then you can like charge extra for premium posts and things like that. So that's the gist of it really. And it's just been crazy. I didn't even think, because there's so much free porn, I didn't even think that it would be. Like a thing really, and it just very much is a thing.

• 3:00Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, so what's, what's your revenue to date so far?

• 3:04Speaker 01

  What's revenue turnover?

• 3:05Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 3:06Speaker 01

  We're about nine point eight million pound in sixteen months. I'm trying to look at. Work out, about sixteen months, I think, yeah. Nearly ten million.

• 3:18Chris Williamson?

  Ten million pounds?

• 3:19Speaker 01

  Turnover, yeah.

• 3:20Chris Williamson?

  Ten million pounds from selling nudes?

• 3:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:24Chris Williamson?

  That's a lot of nudes.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  It is a lot of nudes.

• 3:26Chris Williamson?

  Have you got any idea how many nudes it is?

• 3:29Speaker 01

  I don't actually, that's an interesting question. Good question.

• 3:32Chris Williamson?

  Have you seen, um, oh, this, yeah, thank you.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  That's all here for, but I don't have the facts.

• 3:36Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, but that's me, like, that's like me saying to you, some good nudes that Chelsea, you know, well, I'm a professional.

• 3:42Chris Williamson?

  Have you ever seen Pornhub at the end of the year? They get a data team, they've got a big data science team right in the back end that do all the trends. So it's like the most popular porn in India and like how many people are watching on mobile and what the average.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 3:56Chris Williamson?

  Blah, blah. So you should.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  We have all, we have got all that, like to say like who's on computer, who's on phone and, um. Like more stuff like that, but I'm not interested in stuff like that. So I never look. If you had Rebecca, yeah, my cousin, my CEO. She has all, she likes all numbers and stuff like that. She knows. Or I don't even have the logins for the back half. Like, this is my company and I don't even have the logins.

• 4:19Chris Williamson?

  Why? You're not trusted?

• 4:21Speaker 01

  It's not, it's not that I'm just not trusted, it's just that I don't care. Like, she, she'll message me and go, oh, we're nearly hitting ten mil. Like, she'll just fill me in. And I'll just. You know what I mean, she I trust her.

• 4:31Chris Williamson?

  So what you, what do you care about with regards to the business?

• 4:33Speaker 01

  I do care like.

• 4:34Chris Williamson?

  No, no, my point is where, where, where is your?

• 4:37Speaker 01

  Like, my job really is like, um, being relevant online, making sure I'm always like tweeting, like recruiting new people. Getting the words out there, arguing with people online.

• 4:48Chris Williamson?

  Lots of arguing, yeah.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  Putting right viral tweets, viral Facebook statuses, posts, whatever.

• 4:54Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  Just getting my name out there, suppose, um, more, like, just so people click on me and be like, who's this and what's this?

• 5:01Chris Williamson?

  Exposure, yeah.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, so that's my job.

• 5:03Chris Williamson?

  I get you. So how did it start? How do you, how do you start thinking, I wanna make a website? Where I can get amateurs at home and some pros as well, as we had mutual friends.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 5:16Chris Williamson?

  Sienna Day was on, um, but yeah, how do you, why?

• 5:21Speaker 01

  Um, though I was on another site which done pretty much a similar thing. And their site was shocking, they never spent any money on it, it was always breaking down, um. Losing money at a writing centre, um, they never replied to your emails for weeks, like it was shite.

• 5:38Chris Williamson?

  That's as a actress.

• 5:40Speaker 01

  As a, as a.

• 5:41Chris Williamson?

  What do you call yourself?

• 5:42Speaker 01

  Uh, on mine, we call us VIPs, but on that one, it was just, you were just a model, I guess.

• 5:48Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, okay.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  It was just, I was like, under term for it. But, um. Yeah, they were just shite all round. So I was like, I can't live like this, like this money is mint, but I can't live like this, like. It was just answering your message, everything was a nightmare. So I said, why don't we try and make ours, like make our own? So it was like forty five grand of my own money. I didn't get a loan, I didn't have, I don't have rich parents, like. I literally done it as a risk with my own money that I made. And we just like went to a web company and obviously just went from there really.

• 6:20Chris Williamson?

  Where do you get forty five grand from?

• 6:21Speaker 01

  I had, I just had it.

• 6:22Chris Williamson?

  Because you've been stripping for a while, right?

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Stripping and obviously I used to sell noodles on a different site and.

• 6:27Chris Williamson?

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:27Speaker 01

  I just like. I guess I just have loads of money already, but now we have more.

• 6:31Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, well, how hilarious is it that you've you've earned money on one site, then used that money to create their biggest competitor?

• 6:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:39Chris Williamson?

  That's like so funny. That's like me winning a race in Nike shoes.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:43Chris Williamson?

  And using the prize money from winning the race to create a better pair of shoes.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:46Chris Williamson?

  Under my own brand.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  Well, I've made like five hundred thousand pound on this other website, so they took a hundred thousand pound in in fees off me, yeah. But they never, they never like, they were shit. So like, I was losing money where they, because they were, things didn't work and it was just annoying me. I was, I paid them all this money. They didn't care. I was emailing them, they didn't reply for weeks. And sometimes they didn't reply at all. And I'm like, what are you taking this hundred grand for? Like, you're literally taking it. So don't fuck off with it. So I was, we were just sick, so I just decided to make that one. So that was addressed to it.

• 7:21Chris Williamson?

  I get you. Cause I mean, if you look at it from a normal business perspective, right? Let's say that you were some stationery company, which you're absolutely not. Um, if you're a sta-, you could be. If you're a stationery company and you had a client that was worth five hundred thousand.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  Happy, wouldn't you?

• 7:38Chris Williamson?

  You'd have an account manager.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 7:40Chris Williamson?

  They might even assign them like a P A of some kind.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  Exactly. They just didn't care. So.

• 7:44Chris Williamson?

  You must have been.

• 7:45Speaker 01

  That's why we we care. Like, we ask, like, if you email us, if we're away, you get emailed back within, like, minutes. Do you know what I mean? Everybody gets dealt with. Every single situation gets dealt with personally. Sometimes we ring them, like, to sort it out, like, you know, if there's an issue and we we actually genuinely care, wanna be the best. We don't, we don't wanna just take people's money. In fact, the the company itself. I make most of my money from selling my own nudes, but the company itself obviously makes a good profit. But every single penny pretty much of the profit, the company goes back into the company. It costs a lot to run it, like a lot, like tens of thousands. Tens and tens of thousands per month.

• 8:22Chris Williamson?

  Where, where's the cost? Yeah, so is it online advertising, is it upkeep for?

• 8:26Speaker 01

  It's just like the, uh, the, obviously the sheer size of it, uh, there's been, I think, I wish I knew the facts. And there's something about four hundred thousand customers have been through it. So it's just like the volume of like people and obviously the, the profiles and it goes up to the cloud in the sky or something. This is like, I don't know that, I'm not very good at computers. So obviously we've got a team that does all that, but yeah, go apparently to keep it in this cloud in the sky costs a lot of money.

• 8:53Chris Williamson?

  So you've got you, you've got your hosting.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  Stuff like that.

• 8:56Chris Williamson?

  Support on the back end, all the inquiries of some guy who desperately wants to.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, we've got, I've got twelve members of staff in the office, all girls, um, like women, um, so.

• 9:07Chris Williamson?

  Are they all on the site as well?

• 9:09Speaker 01

  No, none of them, no.

• 9:11Chris Williamson?

  So you're the only one, you're the only one that's monetising yourself?

• 9:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, cause they're all like normal girls, I guess. Like they're all me, some of them are my relatives, people I've known for years, people I can trust, you know what I mean? Um, so yeah, it's crazy, but, um, twelve of them in the office. And like two of them are like over sixty and then there's like, I know, and then there's like old Becky who's like forty and then. Kim, she's about thirty seven and then the others are like younger, but they're just, I just have normal admin jobs. As far as they're, they're sitting there looking at cocks all day, but they're, as far as they're concerned, it's just a normal office job, like they don't see it as anything else, they're just replying to. Twitters, you know, your marketing, you know, things like that and that's it really, like.

• 9:53Chris Williamson?

  Okay, so you've spent forty five grand.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:55Chris Williamson?

  You've got this website, what's the website do? Like, what, what, what's the, the crux of it? It's able to host images and videos and detach.

• 10:03Speaker 01

  And money and take money, we go to, to, to, to, uh, payment provider who takes the money and then.

• 10:09Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 10:10Speaker 01

  Takes a little cut and then gives us the money and all that.

• 10:12Chris Williamson?

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, that's it really.

• 10:15Chris Williamson?

  That's where you're at, you're at forty five, forty five grand, you've got this website and you've got you and, uh, Paratits.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, me and the, me and all the followers that I've accumulated over the ten years of being a stripper and stuff, so like.

• 10:27Chris Williamson?

  What do you do then? What do you do after that? Cause it's not just you, there's tons and tons of people on that now.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, so obviously I've got a lot of friends in the industry, I had a lot of friends who was on this shit site, so I was messaging them like. We've got a good site coming out, if she's interested, give us a go and like. Everybody pretty much have come on straight away, stayed on because they loved it. And all we keep doing is obviously making it better and better and listening to people, see what features they want. And yeah, just like making it better really, we're just trying to be the best really.

• 10:57Chris Williamson?

  I get you. So that was, and that was sixteen months ago.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  September two thousand eighteen.

• 11:03Chris Williamson?

  That is a terrifying, like.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  Numbers and all.

• 11:06Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, the, the numbers, what did you think? You must have thought like.

• 11:09Speaker 01

  Well, we made a million in the first three months.

• 11:12Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 11:12Speaker 01

  So we turned over a million in three months.

• 11:14Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 11:14Speaker 01

  Um, and we would, it was just crazy because we'd come into loads of problems because you would think like, we're basically more money, more problems, like. Because of being the sex industry, you don't realise how much you're, um, like discriminated against. So I, I had an account with Barclays, which had had a million quid through. And they sent me a letter saying, um, we need you out by the end of the month. We don't want your money, basically, because it's dirty money to them and. About their reputation and so I had to be out of Barclays Bank. Couldn't get with any other bank, even like the Coots and all that. Couldn't get with any of them banks in England. So I've got a bank in Germany. I've got a personal bank in Santander and Halifax, but for me business, I've got, because I had so much money. And yeah, basically I've got a bank in Germany for that.

• 11:59Chris Williamson?

  That's crazy.

• 12:00Speaker 01

  Nobody wants my dirty money.

• 12:02Chris Williamson?

  That's weird.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  It is funny because like in the strip club over the years, the ones who used to come in the most was the bank managers. They were, they were the ones, man, like they, as soon as I mentioned bank and you were like, ching, they're getting VIP.

• 12:15Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, everyone, all the girls go over.

• 12:17Speaker 01

  They're the, the ones, like there was a guy who used to come in every, like three nights a week to see the same girl, like for years, never done it for anyone else. And just him. And he was like, one of the top ones at HSBC.

• 12:28Chris Williamson?

  Have you ever thought that it might be an ex-client of yours that's at Barclays? He's just thinking, fuck right, lads, we need to, we really need to get that Chelsea bird off. Because if she finds out that I work here, my missus is gonna be.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  Nah, because I don't even frigging know anyone's name. And my memory is awful.

• 12:45Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, okay, so you've, you've finally, you've managed to get yourself a bank account. But if you've done, so you've been going sixteen months, if it took you three months to make your first mill. That means that in the remaining thirteen months, you've done eight, which is actually even more impressive, or nearly nine, actually.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  No, it's nearly ten.

• 13:02Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. So nearly nine, like, that's.

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:05Chris Williamson?

  So, okay, so when, there must be a point where it really, really started to lift off. What happened there?

• 13:10Speaker 01

  Every single month it goes up, apart from January, which is just after Christmas.

• 13:15Chris Williamson?

  Is people not wank so much in January?

• 13:16Speaker 01

  I think they wank, they wank as much, but they must go on the free porn in January because they're kind of hard hours. But, no, this is, obviously this month's been shit because it's just after Christmas, everyone's skinned. But every other month leading up to that was like up and up and up. Every single month was, was smashing the month before. So, it's going on.

• 13:35Chris Williamson?

  Because the model's subscription, right? It's not like, you don't buy photos, I don't buy a, a, a photo from you.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  No, you buy a subscription to see the photos and the videos that I've got on there.

• 13:47Chris Williamson?

  And that.

• 13:48Speaker 01

  So I don't know what I've got on, like eight hundred pictures and videos for forty ninety nine or whatever it is.

• 13:52Chris Williamson?

  And that's, that rolls on every month, right?

• 13:54Speaker 01

  Or you can cancel it straight away. You just pay the one-off kind of thing, see what you want to see and then cancel it.

• 14:00Chris Williamson?

  As with, you know, everyone that's listening has got some membership that they don't use, membership to a gym, Netflix.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  Literally, like, my, my Amazon, my Amazon Prime, I literally didn't even log into it for about two years, it was just paying eight ninety nine a month. And then my, um, my gym in Hartley, I've got two gyms in Hartley Pool that I pay monthly. I go to one and beat the one for about eight months. And it's just been rolling on twenty quid a month. So that's probably why, what a lot of people do, just like, sign up and then think, I'm rest cancelled.

• 14:26Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  Which I always do, like.

• 14:29Chris Williamson?

  And then, like, that cumulative thing over time obviously is why, yeah, is why you're going to continue to get it. So. Coming to the girls and, and stuff that work for you, obviously, you're actually enabling. A lot of people, girls and guys, actually, that's a, that's a question. What's the split, girls and guys?

• 14:47Speaker 01

  Oh, we, we pretty much like ninety nine percent women, us, like, I know there is a lot of guys that do it on other sites, like the shit one. Um, but, uh, we just didn't really get, we got some guys on there, but, um, mainly women on it. I've got quite a few couples and stuff. Like couples that you've seen, their kinky sex life or whatever, um, which is quite popular as well, but, um. Yeah, it's mainly women.

• 15:10Chris Williamson?

  Vast, vast, vast majority girls.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  I think what it is, I've got all these followers from over the years, like on my Twitter, which is obviously how I got like famous or whatever, I like seven hundred thousand at one point, but now I'm down to about five hundred thousand, five hundred and odd. And but I can retweet like the girls and obviously I've got the horny men waiting, customers waiting because that's who follows me. I can't really retweet a guy because I haven't got guys, I haven't got like gay guys waiting, do you know what I mean? My followers are straight men.

• 15:41Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that's interesting. You've got a very narrow, it's very large but very narrow market.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just straight, yeah, straight men really.

• 15:50Chris Williamson?

  They just love wanking.

• 15:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:52Chris Williamson?

  Um, yeah, that's interesting. I think the, the, the thing that struck me and it was the conversation that we had with Sienna that really, really like shocked me was, if you haven't listened to that, by the way, link will be in the show notes below. It's a conversation with a porn star who's also on Chelsea's site. And she's like real funny, exactly the same as you, real charming, like great. Anyway, what she said was she is now in complete control of her own income.

• 16:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:18Chris Williamson?

  Whereas previously in the porn industry, she would go and work for Brazzers or.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  Then you don't wear ends of cotton.

• 16:25Chris Williamson?

  Well, yeah, and, and, and on top of that, it's like she gets a day rate. I don't know what a day rate is.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:30Chris Williamson?

  Five grand or whatever for the day, something. Uh, I might have like totally undersold it there, sorry, Sienna. Um. She gets a day rate and that's it. Like you've made your money.

• 16:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:40Chris Williamson?

  And the content, the actual monetization of the content occurs for Brazzers to DVD membership site and you know, all that, like reselling across onto adverts and stuff like that. Whereas now what you're talking about is girls who are able to create their own content. I'm gonna get, you know, this is a setup that's probably far more sophisticated than what almost any of the girls will have on there. And we're just filming some of it for YouTube.

• 17:05Speaker 01

  We're just doing all phones.

• 17:07Chris Williamson?

  Phone.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  Bit of Facetune.

• 17:08Chris Williamson?

  Phone bedroom.

• 17:09Speaker 01

  Smokey Fanny over.

• 17:10Chris Williamson?

  Smokey Fanny over.

• 17:11Speaker 01

  You know, a bit of.

• 17:12Chris Williamson?

  With Facetune?

• 17:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, just you know, in case you get any stubble rash.

• 17:15Chris Williamson?

  Have you considered releasing an app that's like V Tune?

• 17:24Speaker 01

  Laughing at your own joke.

• 17:26Chris Williamson?

  Someone has to. Um.

• 17:29Chris Williamson?

  Right, okay, so we know how many, we know that it's almost exclusively girls.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:33Chris Williamson?

  That are on the site. What's the sort of content that people are putting up? You've said mostly solo stuff.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  You know what?

• 17:37Chris Williamson?

  The video, is it, is it photo, is it what?

• 17:39Speaker 01

  Every single profile's different, like, I can't say what one person does another. Um, but one thing that is a bit like, ah, crazy, I don't know what the word is. But basically, everyone thinks, oh, you've got to go on there and get smashed all over, suck everyone off and that's how you make your money. But, like, yeah, I have got some videos like that of ex-boyfriends, like, you know, sucking them off and stuff like that. But some of me top earners who are made over like a hundred grand, two hundred grand, like in me top ten. One of them only does topless, she does do fully nude but from far away, like not like showing dead clothes. And she's one of me top earners. Uh, another last Gemma Lucy, who you, uh, she won't mind me mentioning.

• 18:22Speaker 01

  She's, she's one of me top earners and she only shows, well, she's, I think she does fully nude, but not like sex tapes or anything. Uh, quite a lot of the girls in me top ten uh, don't do sex videos. So there is loads of girls that do that. It tends to be the ones who weren't as well known, like, so they obviously feel like they have to put more.

• 18:41Chris Williamson?

  Compensate for the lack of audience.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, the dirtier you get, the more subscribers you get. But some girls who already had followers, people are just happy to see that it boils, to be fair.

• 18:50Chris Williamson?

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:50Speaker 01

  So you can still make money just by doing that and there's loads of girls that do. But it's about realising what's best for you and whether you want to put that next step out there.

• 18:59Chris Williamson?

  Mm.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  Like I was a bit like, mm, because obviously everyone's seen me tits all the years, but I was like, do I want to put me funny on the internet? And now it's like, uh.

• 19:08Chris Williamson?

  So the people that are listening, that was the blowjob miming, the blowjob miming movement, which is famous. Um, yeah, I, I, well, that's, that's a good question I really want to get on to, which is, you've got these girls who are on there, who are completely in control of their own earning, that may be making great money now. But their nudes are on the internet. Now, they're on the internet but paywalled.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, but people do steal them and.

• 19:34Chris Williamson?

  So you had this problem today, right? Like literally today, you you when you walked in, you were like, my nudes have ended up on the internet.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  No, no, my nudes ended up in a WhatsApp group.

• 19:42Chris Williamson?

  Your nudes ended up in a WhatsApp group, like what's happened there?

• 19:46Speaker 01

  There must be some kind of WhatsApp groups out there which just has loads of men in, like it must be just for prayer or whatever. And a couple of me mates have messaged me like, obviously in the group, saying, um, all your nudes have been put in this group. It's not the first time it's happened. Obviously, they all do the rounds. Like basically, someone will go on, screenshot all my shit and send it around.

• 20:03Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, so is it, there's no way of securing the content, because someone can just press screen record, right? And then play your video on their phone.

• 20:11Speaker 01

  There's like, I think there is some kind of software that some bank can access, where if you screenshot it doesn't work or something. But we, I think we like looked into it and it was gonna be like really hard to do. And also, if people wanna do it, they're just gonna get another phone and take the picture. So nothing is ever gonna be one hundred percent safe. So you need to realise if you are gonna do this, they are gonna be on there for the rest of your life. They probably will ruin any future prospects that you're thinking about doing. Unless this is gonna be your career and you're gonna smash it, buy some houses, make sure you do properly and don't be, have nothing at the end of it. But also, at the same time, it's not like stripping, because like obviously I was a stripper and you barely ever seen I last over forty in the strip club.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  Like that was pretty much like it. But in this, you do get like MILFs and things like that. And because it's just online, I think people just think, fuck it, I can still do it. Like, I don't have to physically go to the strip club. So people just keep doing it over a certain age, I guess. And now, so now you could keep doing it for longer, but do you wanna do it when you're forty, fifty? Probably not.

• 21:11Chris Williamson?

  Hmm, well, it depends. If you've got.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  If you're making something, I always say, keep doing it till you stop making money. And if you're still making good money, why would you stop? And people ask me, why are you still selling nudes when you own the company? I'm like, because I'm making ten grand a week most weeks, selling me nudes. Like, and that's just on top of whatever else the company makes. So like, why, I'd be stupid to stop. Like fifty grand a month sometimes, I think.

• 21:33Chris Williamson?

  Well, I think the the beauty is, from an economics perspective, the fact that it's a membership site. Because it will accumulate over time, your churn rate, how many people actually end up dropping off and say, oh, unsubscribe from Chelsea's tits. Like this month or whatever, like. You've got to presume that if, until you hit like a critical mass, and there's a lot of men that are aged like eighteen to fifteen.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  There's a lot of men out there.

• 21:57Chris Williamson?

  There's a lot of men.

• 21:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're never gonna run out of men.

• 21:59Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, you might do. If you, if you conquer the world of men with, with your site, that would be impressive.

• 22:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:06Chris Williamson?

  Okay, so we, we've touched on it there, like that some of the girls might have an issue then reintegrating. Um, back into a normal job. Also, I'm gonna guess like if someone, uh, one of the girls was also a employer at Asda.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  You could probably get sacked, yeah. My friend got sacked, she was at, um, uh, like a, one of the ones who. Helps all people in a home or something, a care worker. And, yeah, they, they basically said like, you're gonna have to resign or we'll sack you kind of thing. Um, cause we've seen what you're doing online. It's unfair really, because all you're doing is helping people, plus you're helping people.

• 22:44Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, just two different types of helping people.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  An all round good girl.

• 22:48Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, she really is.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  No, but like, it is shocking really, that you can get sacked for stuff like that. There is some jobs, like other people I know have got normal jobs who do it. And like their bosses know and they're like fine about it, but it just depends on.

• 23:01Chris Williamson?

  Those jobs, do you know?

• 23:02Speaker 01

  Um, I don't actually know what she does, you know, but she's my group chap, but she, she does, uh, I think it's just like, she's like a receptionist or something like that. But it depends obviously who your boss is and like what, what the industry is, I suppose. Um.

• 23:14Chris Williamson?

  If you're like a primary school teacher or something, probably gonna go down badly.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  Exactly. One of my friends actually, she wasn't on my site or anything, but she's a teacher. And, um, she actually got a warning at work because it was when my Snapchat was big, you know, and it's got millions of people on it. Um, and like we went on a night out and I was like filming like, was, and she pretended to touch me, Fanny, like, or, and I was. Like, it was just, we were just like messing around and she went like that, um, pretended to check this for everyone who was only listening. Um.

• 23:42Chris Williamson?

  Thank you, thank you for clarifying that.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  They literally printed it off into a big, like, eh, fucking, what's that?

• 23:48Chris Williamson?

  Life size, life size.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Massive and put it on, put it on the board in, in school and was like, um, is this you on Chelsea Fergus's Snapchat and that? And she was like.

• 23:58Speaker 01

  Like.

• 23:58Chris Williamson?

  Looks a lot like my fingers.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  And she basically got like a disciplinary or something over it.

• 24:02Chris Williamson?

  Wow.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  And like that was something outside of where on my Snapchat that like nothing to do with her Snapchat, nothing. And she got in trouble over it.

• 24:09Chris Williamson?

  So it seems like there's kind of two, uh, two cultures running in parallel here, right? One of them is the side that you're coming from, which is it's just nudes.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:23Chris Williamson?

  It doesn't matter.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  You're not helping anyone.

• 24:25Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. And then the other side appears to be the Barclays Bank, the primary school concerns where they're hyper sensitive.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:33Chris Williamson?

  To this sort of stuff. Um.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  I think everyone's just hypocrites to be honest, because they're all be frigging looking at it. Like, not one man on this planet would tell me they haven't fucking been on porn. So, so why, so why can, why can you go and wank over it, but people can't have jobs? Like, you know what I mean?

• 24:48Chris Williamson?

  It is, it does seem oddly like a double standard. It's, I think it's something about. Someone's private life is allowed to be theirs privately.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:59Chris Williamson?

  And the concern is then when they make that public.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I suppose.

• 25:02Chris Williamson?

  And for maybe an older generation, there's an, like an ick factor. It's still associated with sex work, which it's, it's, you know, you're not, it's not like you're prostituting yourself to someone. You're not, you know, s- street curl crawling. Yeah, you're not doing that.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:19Chris Williamson?

  Um, and bizarrely as well, it's, if you were to look at it from a, like a public health, safety perspective. Lot more, a lot less dangerous than having to be on the street.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:30Chris Williamson?

  All this sort of stuff. And, you know, everyone's got a phone.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:33Chris Williamson?

  So in one way or another, I don't know. I, I, I think it'd be interesting to hear everyone that's listening, you know, like leave, leave your thoughts in the comments below. I really would like to hear sort of where your stance is on this. Um. Do you think it's your job to warn the girls about the implications of, of, of being on the site? Do you have like a process? Do you be like, look, you, you kind of need to be aware that this is going to be around or?

• 25:57Speaker 01

  I don't think it's my job. I think obviously these are adults, so you have to be eighteen, but I do stress it a lot. Like I've done like my own YouTube videos, if anyone wants to check those out.

• 26:06Chris Williamson?

  Link, link in the show notes below.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  Um, uh, and I did like a, like a Q and A about like admire me and how to make money and stuff like that. And in that I do say like. If people said, can you do it anonymously, I'm like, look, yes, you can do it anonymously, anonymously. But nothing stays anonymous for long in this world.

• 26:23Chris Williamson?

  How would you do it, from the neck down or whatever?

• 26:25Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, yeah, basically. And some girls do still make money, but all it takes is someone to go, I know that's her so and so's bedroom. Like, you can tell, you can, you're about, someone's about, I can see her tattoo, she has that tattoo. Look into it a bit more and then it's all exposed, because bitches be bitches. And people can't stand to see anyone else doing anything. So obviously they'll try and ruin a good thing for you. So I just, I do warn people and say like, this is on the internet for the rest of your life, so just make sure, especially when they're a bit younger as well, like eighteen and stuff, like, you make these, I mean, imagine someone's.

• 26:55Chris Williamson?

  A rash decision.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  If you did what I did when I was eighteen, to be on the internet now, I'd be like, oh, but you just have to think.

• 27:01Chris Williamson?

  Some of the stuff that you did when you were about twenty one is probably on the internet still.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, will be.

• 27:05Chris Williamson?

  You, you had a, you had like a, a quick take off with that industry. Um, so one of the other things that I wanted to talk about was a Facebook status that you put up recently.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:15Chris Williamson?

  Um, you, well, I'll tell you what, why don't you describe what you posted?

• 27:18Speaker 01

  Um, so I know, like, calls a ruckus to be honest, like, so I posted a picture of me house, which is a five bedroom detached house with a double garage. And, uh, I had my Lamborghini and my Range Rover Sport on the drive. And I've got Chelsea on the Lambo and Fergo on the, Range Rover, that's my number plate. Um, if anyone wants to check the picture, it'll be on my Instagram, Chelsea Fergo. Um, and I put it on Facebook, the picture, and the caption was, all from showing me fanny to strangers.

• 27:50Chris Williamson?

  Wasn't it then like, subscribe here?

• 27:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:52Chris Williamson?

  Like, oh, oh, help me put petrol in my Lambo. Help me put petrol in my Lambo, subscribe here.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  Forgot about that, but yeah, so it was, yeah, all from showing me fanny to strangers. Help me put petrol in my Lambo. And then the, the link, and it got like, I can't remember how many shares, thousands and thousands of shares, thousands of comments.

• 28:10Chris Williamson?

  It was in, it was in like the star and the sun and stuff.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was on a few different webpages and. Everyone was like calling me worse and shit. Like some of the stuff people say, man, I'm like. Oh, we're on like just out of order. Like you just wouldn't even like say it's like.

• 28:24Chris Williamson?

  Why do you think people react that way?

• 28:26Speaker 01

  So fucking jealous. Like, people can't bear the fact that just getting me funny out has got me all that. Do you know what I mean? They think, you know, you can have some money, but not as much like the. If I was showing me funny to everyone for free, right, they'd be all over it. The minute I'm making money off it, they don't like it. The minute I've got the car, the dream car that most men would fucking stick their cock in. The exhaust if they could, like, it's the be like the best car, one of the best cars in the world, like. And I've got it, and that's why people don't like it. But I fucking worked hard. I played my dues. I worked in McDonald's for two and a half years. I worked in Wacky Where I was washing pots. I worked in call centres. I worked for Vodafone. I used to get shit every fucking day. I used to work Monday to Friday, nine to five in a call centre, Friday night, Saturday night in a night couple, three in one.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  Then Saturday day, Sunday day McDonald's and that was my life for like from like seventeen, eighteen, nineteen. Like, I've fucking been there. Like, I've done the shit job. So why can't I do this now? Like, I earned it. So fuck them.

• 29:24Chris Williamson?

  I, hey, I, uh.

• 29:26Speaker 01

  I get proper mad about it, eh?

• 29:27Chris Williamson?

  I, I think, like, you know, I think rightly so because there's people that are doing. Much more outlandish things and making much less money and being given much less shit. So there was some real vitriol comments. I had a little bit of a scroll through and, and I had a look at them and. People are really, really becoming upset. They're very, very upset. And I think, I think a lot of it is them being triggered by the fact that.

• 29:52Speaker 01

  They probably work harder than me now. They probably work seventeen hours a week, don't get to see their family, work away from their family. And don't get her have a lamb, but don't even get her have the range, like, don't get her have a house. But that's not my fault. Like, cause men, you men created the industry. You are the. Pair bets who want to pay for it. So why, why should I, you be mad at me because someone give me. The option to make the money, like.

• 30:16Chris Williamson?

  The fruits of their labour essentially.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  Like, you know what I mean? Like, yous all wanna see it. So if you pay to see it, then I make money, like. That's just fact.

• 30:25Chris Williamson?

  I think, yeah, it is, it is so interesting that you have this. This level of jealousy and as well, you are right, there is a. The amount of work that you need to do now to earn the money that you do. Compared with the, you know, like when you think about your hourly wage now compared to the hourly wage from McDonald's, it'll be orders of.

• 30:44Speaker 01

  I was on four pound an hour, I remember.

• 30:47Chris Williamson?

  Wow, you're also showing your age a little bit there, I think, because that would have been when it would be legal to, it's fine, I was on, I was on the same.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  It was three, I was somewhere else before that cafe and I was on three sixty, I think there, and that was when I was fifteen. But then when I was sixteen, I was entitled to four pound ten an hour.

• 31:01Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, so what am I gonna spend all this extra money on? In fact, I used to go out Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, always get pissed, always come home with a takeaway, always go to a taxi home. And always still have money in my hand, like, ah, things were cheap back then, take me back. You used to get like five bottles for a fiver and that.

• 31:17Chris Williamson?

  I don't think that you really need to worry about that anymore.

• 31:19Speaker 01

  No, I know, but it still annoys me like how cheap things used to be, now they're not. I know it's all relative.

• 31:23Chris Williamson?

  You're one of those people that posts about the price of Freddos every couple of years, like the Freddos have gone up by another five pence.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  Fuck Freddos, I need the big fucking multi pack box. Freddos are about that big, that's doing a doom note for me. I'm a fatty no days.

• 31:36Chris Williamson?

  So, yeah, I think it is, a lot of it is the fact that it's, it appears from the outside in easy money. Or as you like, unearned money, unjustified money. But this is the bizarre thing, you look at anyone. Anyone who has come up with a product that has a disproportionate place in the market. I could do with Johnny and Yusuf here to explain this bit, but the kid who made Unfold, have you heard of Unfold? It's an app that allows you to make really pretty Instagram stories. It's actually a life hack on a previous episode that we featured. This, this guy's made it, some dude in America, he's maybe twenty, he's early twenties, something like that. He's just sold it to Squarespace, you know, people that make websites, like wix dot com or whatever, make, allow you to design your website. One billion.

• 32:22Chris Williamson?

  Uh, the kid, I don't know what he is, he's under thirty.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 32:26Chris Williamson?

  One billion, and it's like, well, that, that kid there has done a thing. He doesn't need to work for the rest of his life.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  Look at Snapchat as well, whoever made that sold that for, I can't remember the amount, but huge to Facebook. Who obviously Facebook bought Instagram, didn't they? They bought, they buy all them.

• 32:42Chris Williamson?

  WhatsApp.

• 32:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, WhatsApp, Facebook, Instagram and Snapchat, I think are all owned by the same person. So all they did was make an idea, all it's, it was for nudes originally Snapchat, then as soon as it was bought by Facebook, I was fucking kicked off. With me ten million followers, I was livid.

• 32:57Chris Williamson?

  Is that many people you had on Snapchat?

• 32:58Speaker 01

  Ten million views I used to get on my story.

• 33:00Chris Williamson?

  Do you mean?

• 33:00Speaker 01

  They were all over the world, like it was cra- that was a crazy time, I could have been a millionaire then if this had been out then, but it wasn't.

• 33:07Chris Williamson?

  Ah, because you'd have had access.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  I have a millionaire now, but I mean, I'm bigger millionaire.

• 33:10Chris Williamson?

  You had access to the market back then, more easily.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, literally, anything I put on my story, I used to get people coming to strip clubs and queuing up for me, and that was in Newcastle, imagine if it had been a site online.

• 33:20Chris Williamson?

  So one of the maddest stories I've got about you, and this is going back a little way, you'll be able to tell me when it was, I want to say like eight years ago. So it was when you were going and doing a nightclub P A.

• 33:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:30Chris Williamson?

  So you'd fly over to Ireland.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 33:33Chris Williamson?

  And do a nightclub P A, like a reality TV person in the club for five hundred quid or a grand or something. And then go and strip on the night time in like a local strip club.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  I didn't do it in Ireland, but yeah, I've done it in other places where it was like a, I would go and do the P A and then strip as well, so I would like make like a few grand or whatever.

• 33:54Chris Williamson?

  Didn't you do, was it a thingy Rhino?

• 33:56Speaker 01

  Steam and Rhino, I've done, I've done Lad Bible's first birthday, when they first started, I was their guest at, um, Steam and Rhino in London.

• 34:04Chris Williamson?

  Stripping or just as a guest?

• 34:05Speaker 01

  Stripping.

• 34:06Chris Williamson?

  Could you imagine if Lad Bible, Lad Bible, if you're listening, how the fuck do you get away with some of the stuff that you post? You had Chelsea Ferguson at your first birthday party getting a, getting him out.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:16Chris Williamson?

  Unbelievable.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Getting me fanny out, just twenty quid.

• 34:19Chris Williamson?

  Getting your fanny out for twenty quid.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  Those were the days, I do miss stripping actually, but I just can't be asked. I just loved it, like it was fun. I used to love meeting people, like my fans or whatever you want to call them. I used to love meeting people, like, I used to love getting drunk with them. I used to obviously make money, but I used to have, like, even if it was my birthday, everyone was like, you're going out for your birthday, I might go to work. Cause I had more fun in the strip club than I did out, like, do you know what I mean? I had more fun in there, so I do miss it, but it's just not a part of my life anymore and I couldn't go back now.

• 34:47Chris Williamson?

  I wanted to get into this as well, actually. So the the girls that work in a strip club, anyone who's been in a strip club will know that the the girls are a community there, right? It's the same as any workplace, the people that you work with at McDonald's, yeah. But it's a very unique environment there. Um, if you had a daughter, would, and she said, hey mum, I'm I'm twenty years old, I'm twenty one years old, I'm considering of going and starting stripping. What do you think you'd you'd say?

• 35:15Speaker 01

  I think, I've always thought like, yeah, I wouldn't care if my daughter done it, but I think if I did have a daughter, I'll probably think different because I know that the drugs that comes with it, like everyone's on coke, everyone's like, you know, that's part of the job.

• 35:30Chris Williamson?

  Why why do you think it's part of the job?

• 35:32Speaker 01

  Because it keeps you awake, so fucking six in the morning. Like, so like, unless you, well, there was loads of girls that frigging drove to work and drove home, like, so that's normal, get people. But like, a lot of the drugs went on and that's where like, a lot of people are like, oh, do you want to try this? And like, and then the parties and yeah, I think that would be the bit that put me off really, but I think nowadays with that many kids taking drugs, it's probably gonna happen anyway.

• 35:56Chris Williamson?

  It'd be a challenging question, at least for you, though. So it's not as if you're just thinking, yeah, yeah, fine darling, get cracking.

• 36:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, go and get, yeah, it's not about, I don't even care about the the the getting naked part, and because they are, you are safe, like you are safe in the clubs, like, obviously with the bouncers, for certain clubs, you might not be so much, but the ones I was in, you were and they weren't touching you or anything like that, so you can do it and it's safe, like, I think if it was for the drugs, then yeah, I would probably say, yeah.

• 36:24Chris Williamson?

  Why do you think the, so the atmosphere that you're talking about there, right, the the the girls and stuff like that? I really wanna try and get into the effect of girls treating men as transactions.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:40Chris Williamson?

  Because I'm friends with some strippers and you'll be friends with hundreds. Um, and there is, with some of them, uh, what I think is a negative mindset about men.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  You just don't trust them, like, every time men have come in the strip club and stuff, they're on their stag do, they're getting married, they're trying to get a blowjob, like, literally, like, the ones that you, then there'll be one, one who sits in the corner goes, I don't want dancers, I've got a girlfriend, I'm in love. Oh, how cute, so how cute. And then after a few drinks, he's like, oh, fuck, and go on. Then then he's the worst one. Going, how much of fuck you. I'm like, I had faith in you. I had, we were all rooting for you. And you let us all down, but give me your money. So it's so tough to like, trust people and like, I have so many tru- trust issues. From the strip club, like, I'm only just starting to like, probably forget, not forget, but.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  Like my boyfriend now, like he, like, everything he tells me, I just take it as the truth, which is obviously what all these other girls take from their boyfriends who have been and asking me for a blowjob. So like, you just don't know what I believe, do you? But you can't live your life being cynical like that. So. I think getting away from the strip club has helped me in a way. It also killed my sex life, my sex drive. I never wanted to have sex.

• 37:53Chris Williamson?

  I remember you posting about that a long, a long, long time ago.

• 37:55Speaker 01

  I've always, I'll literally, for the ten years I was a stripper, I hated sex. I never wanted to be sexy, like, at home. I was there being sexy at work, like, putting on the act of being sexy. But as soon as I was at home, I was in a juicy chackey. I wasn't sharing my fanny all week till my next shift. Like, I was literally like, I've got no interest in sex at all. And that's, and then obviously that, like. Affected me relationships and stuff like that, but I just, I think it ruined, it actually ruined it for me.

• 38:21Chris Williamson?

  It's one of the.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  And all the strippers that does as well.

• 38:24Chris Williamson?

  The analogy that I draw for people when they talk to me is like, hey, man, like, you've got the night off this weekend, do you wanna go out? And I'm like, no, I understand that you think this is fun, but what you do for fun is what I do for work.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  Exactly. I like that, yeah. So true.

• 38:38Chris Williamson?

  And I can kind of see that with you. The, the unique thing, I love the outliers in these situations. And Sienna, who was sat here, is a pure outlier. So Johnny was like, you know, you, you've been at work all day. You've been DP'd by two huge men from Amsterdam or whatever. And you get home and your boyfriend says like, honey, do you, do you fancy, uh.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:57Chris Williamson?

  Do you fancy having some sex this evening? And she was like, no, fuck it, of course I would. Because she's one of those girls that's built for the, she seems to be built for the industry.

• 39:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's why she does it, because she's horny, isn't she?

• 39:08Chris Williamson?

  But you might class yourself a little bit more as a sexually a normal.

• 39:12Speaker 01

  Big blagger. Like, I've blagged me way through this industry, like, pretending I'm a horny bitch, like, you know, it's not, it wasn't true. Like, now I'm in a relationship with somebody that I love, like, I'm like, it's different, but. When I was in relationships before, like it wasn't the same, do you know what I mean? It was like, it was tough and I just didn't feel it at all. And people never believed me. I was always be like, I'm no slag me, you know, I'm fucking boring. And I still say I'm boring now, I'm like missionary with the lights off and that.

• 39:43Speaker 01

  No, that's not completely true.

• 39:44Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 39:45Speaker 01

  Um, but.

• 39:46Chris Williamson?

  Sometimes the lights run.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  Some- sometimes we dim them. It gets wild. Sometimes it's on the couch, not just in the bed.

• 39:52Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  Though people ask me things like, where's the wildest place you've had sex? I'm like, on the couch. That's true. I'd never fucking have sex in anywhere crazy. Like, I wouldn't. I don't like, I like to be comfortable, I don't wanna be done.

• 40:03Chris Williamson?

  There's part of the discussion that we're having here where people seem to think that it's this window into your life. And I think that's part of the attraction of sites like admire me. And I think this is, I'd like to get your thought on this. Why I think that these direct to client or direct to consumer sites like yours are effective, is that it feels a lot more.

• 40:28Speaker 01

  Personal.

• 40:29Chris Williamson?

  Personal.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  That is why it works, yeah. There's loads of free porn, obviously.

• 40:33Chris Williamson?

  You can go on Pornhub and watch anything, but you don't know them.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  You don't know anything about that girl. And this sounds so fucking stupid. Like, I don't know where, what she's been up to today. I don't know what her likes and dislikes are. I don't know why I'm American now. But like, that's what people like, like if you live in the street, right? Say there's a fit girl who lives at number fucking twenty, right? And you always see her every day going to work and you're like, wonder what her asshole looks like.

• 40:55Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  So say there's an option.

• 40:56Chris Williamson?

  Do you often wonder that?

• 40:57Speaker 01

  Well, I'd like, not personally, but obviously I know what men are like. They would look at a girl and be like, oh. Like, especially if she's like, say, like a cute girl next door type who you would never believe in a million years would show her nude. Makes you wanna see even more. Like, someone's out there with a fanny flap out already, you're a bit like, I've seen it, do you know what I mean? But if your tees, if you, well, if your tees or you don't intentionally even, you might just be going about your daily business. Men are intrigued by it. So then they're like, oh, I wish there was an option to see her naked. Now there is. And then they're like, obviously, I bet you any money, I don't know all the statistics, but I bet you any money that most of my subscribers will be people I know personally. I can just imagine it. There'll be people I've known from school, there'll be people who have worked in McDonald's, there'll be people who've known me for years, who've always wondered what me fanny looks like.

• 41:41Chris Williamson?

  Now they know. Now they can, now they can find out for, for a mere fifteen.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  I think it's forty nine hour fifteen, I don't even know.

• 41:47Chris Williamson?

  Forty nine nine discount available on this show.

• 41:51Chris Williamson?

  So, yeah, tha- tha- that's, that's, that's the reason why I think people like it, it's the fact that it feels very personal .

• 41:57Speaker 01

  And you can chat to them, so.

• 41:59Chris Williamson?

  Okay, so it's kind of interactive as well .

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, so people chat, yeah, they wanna know what you've been up to.

• 42:03Chris Williamson?

  What's your, have you not got, you must have, have to have a P A for all of your subscribers.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  I've got like, I had about three thousand at one point, but like subscribers, but I'm, I'm at about two thousand, obviously it's January. Um, not every single one wants to message, some, some people just wanna go on and fucking have a wank and go, do you know what I mean? And that's fine, but then there's, I think there was just some, I have some lonely people out there wanna chat to you, cause they might not have anyone else to chat to, which is obviously is quite sad really, but. Like, that's another, it's just a service that you provide, like, they might not wanna see an escort, cause they might not feel comfortable doing that, they might not be confident. Might just wanna chat to you and pretend you're their online girlfriend or something, like, there's nothing wrong with that, like, it gives them a bit more of a personal experience. Some people might be virgin, they might not dare go out there, some people have mental health issues, they might feel like too anxious to speak to a girl, especially somebody who's like.

• 42:52Speaker 01

  Oh, so he does what we do, like, he wouldn't talk, probably come up and talk to us, like, quite intimidating, so. There's all these reasons really, that people wouldn't understand, I guess, and I say we're in that situation.

• 43:03Chris Williamson?

  Hmm, completely, yeah. I wanna get back to the, the conversation about the relationships thing. Do you think that the girls that are on the site, so we've talked about stripping and some of the sort of side effects of that, and I think that's super interesting that.

• 43:17Chris Williamson?

  Girls that are strippers see a very particular demographic of men.

• 43:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:21Chris Williamson?

  That inevitably, it, no man is at his most honourable in a strip club, even the one who doesn't do anything .

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:28Chris Williamson?

  There's titties everywhere, you know , yeah.

• 43:30Speaker 01

  When I go to strip clubs myself and I get a dance, like, I can't help myself, so obviously they can't help themselves .

• 43:36Chris Williamson?

  So tha- that's, that's one particular part of it, but the girls that are working online. Uh, do you think that they're potentially gonna come up against some relationship problems? They've got to have a very specific type of boyfriend that's gonna be accepting of his girlfriend. Getting naked on the internet, his friends could pay, you know, it's a common joke in some of the WhatsApp chats that we're in, where it's. You'll see a guy start to go out with a girl, the girl's on that, and you're like, hang on a second, mate, for fifteen quid, I can see your girlfriend's vagina?

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know, but I, I just think like. How many girls, you'll probably know, how many girls' fannies have you seen in town? Like, girls who you, who were nurses, who were teachers, who had normal jobs, but they've sent the nudes to one person and it's been sent around, because that happens all the time. So just because I've charged for mine and she's sent it for free and everyone's still seeing it, because that's what happens. Anyone who's ever sent a nude has been seen by more than just the person who you've consented to, don't care what you say. So at least I can say, like, I got fucking paid for mine and paid plenty. But, back to the relationship thing, I think it actually helps sex lives. If, obviously, if you're already doing it and you meet a guy, he must obviously know what you do, so he's accepting it because he's chose to be with you, knowing that you do it in the first place.

• 44:47Speaker 01

  And then I guess if you were, just started doing it when you'd already had a relationship, like, say, me and you were in a relationship, been together years. And then I say, why don't we do this, like, make videos, like, do it anonymously, like a lot of couples do. Like, your face wouldn't be in it, like, with a mask on or whatever. And, like, people do do that, and I think it probably helps some sex lives as well, because you feel like, oh, let's make some videos, a bit naughty and, like, it's a bit kinky and. Like, everyone's different, and everyone has a different, like, what they're into kind of thing, but it's always, like. People who at least expect as well, there's people doing it anonymously with normal jobs and, you know, like, it's a little, like, secret, dirty little secret or whatever, like.

• 45:25Speaker 01

  There's some, there's so many different people on there, it's not just, like, people like me who, like, say, oh, there's me asshole kind of thing out there. Everyone knows, Charles Ferguson, lives in Artigal, that's her asshole. There's loads of, like, people who do it, like. You know what I mean? The more, like, subtle about it and stuff like that.

• 45:44Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I understand what you mean. So I think that the final concern that I have, the final question I've got regarding relationships. And this is specifically a problem with girls, and it's one that I see in strippers, and I know that you will have done as well. It's when girls see men as transactions, not investments. So they don't see themselves needing to actually put care or attention into a man. Because their industry, that man is just, let's say you're in a strip club, it's a twenty pound dance, thirty pound dance. Let's say that you're online, that man is just a fifteen pound subscriber. Have you ever noticed in yourself or in any of the girls that are around you, like, that kind of culture coming through?

• 46:27Speaker 01

  I know some girls, like, one of me good friends actually, who, uh, lives in London, she's actually an escort. And she hasn't had sex for free in over five years. She says, I won't fucking dare have sex for free. Like, she literally has no interest in being in love, no interest in being in a relationship. To her, everything is a transaction. If you wanna speak, if you wanna speak to her, if you wanna take her for dinner, everything is a transaction with her. That's her personally. Me, I'm like an old romantic. I love being in love. I love being in a relationship. And I am in a relationship now and really happy. And, yeah, like for me, it's. I have quit stripping for somebody before and like it wasn't always about money for me.

• 47:09Speaker 01

  I love the job. I love making good money, but that wasn't the be all and end all of it to me. But there is girls like my friend who. All she cares about is the money. She.

• 47:19Chris Williamson?

  Do you know if she was like that before? Did you ever know before?

• 47:21Speaker 01

  I I haven't known her that long, um but she just doesn't care at all. Like she gen- she's like got a man's mindset. You know, like some men who are like just fucking chuck, that's all they care about. They have no interest in being in love, some people. She's like that.

• 47:36Chris Williamson?

  Do you think she'll change?

• 47:37Speaker 01

  I don't think she ever will. Like she, it's literally like who she is. Like, she doesn't care about any, any man.

• 47:44Chris Williamson?

  How, how old is she, ish?

• 47:45Speaker 01

  She's older than me. She's about thirty seven.

• 47:48Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 47:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, looks amazing as well.

• 47:50Chris Williamson?

  You've got to be a very unique woman, I think personally. You have to be a very unique woman to get to forty without kids.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:59Chris Williamson?

  And look back and think that was the right decision. Now, that's not me saying that there aren't girls out there. For whom that's the truth and there are. There's some real high performers. There's women who just don't want to have families. There's men that don't want to have families and they can create perfectly loving partnerships and beautiful families without the children.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  With the kids, uh with the dogs.

• 48:16Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, exactly. You know, like dog mum type thing. But I do worry that. Some girls might be prohibited from having a relationship. Perhaps because they struggle to find a partner who's comfortable with what they do or did. Perhaps ones who maybe have reframed relationships in this kind of new way. Transactional thing. I don't really enjoy sex anymore. Sex has kind of been a bit.

• 48:44Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, it's been dirtied for me somehow. Um, and you know, I, I, I just, I think. It definitely seems like you're coming at it from the right standpoint, and it's nice to hear that. The person at the head of the company has your mindset as opposed to your friends from London.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:00Chris Williamson?

  Because if it was that much more aggressive militant money-making mindset, that would inevitably trickle down to the girls. If your boss, boss, boss, boss, never has a relationship, doesn't care about someone. I don't think that sets a tremendously healthy example for what most girls just, they should have. Most girls should have relationships, they should be in and out of romantic relationships. Same way that most guys should be in and out of romantic relationships.

• 49:27Speaker 01

  I think the world's changing now, Chris, honestly, like, girls realise that we don't need fucking men anymore, like, that is the truth. But like, I think men are gutted because they've kind of lost their like, their power, I guess. Women have took, took over now, like, we're like, if you wanna fit into my life, like, this is what I do. This is what I've always been like anyway. Obviously, I love being loved, but I've always never compromised who I was for anyone. So I've always said, this is me, this is what I've done, this is what I'm gonna do. You either fit into this life or you don't fit in at all, because I'm not changing. This is me. And I've done it before, I've changed for somebody and it ended up being, and he lost everything. And he lost everything and I wouldn't have been here talking on this conversation.

• 50:08Speaker 01

  Like, he tried to make me lose every single penny that I had. And luckily I ended up fucking him off in the end and thinking, no, you know what, I know I'm capable of something amazing and here I am now. But like, like I said, I'm in love now and I'm really happy and, like, I've, I've, I haven't had to change anything about myself, like. He loves me exactly who I am, like, literally everything about me, so I don't need to, like, change anything. But, that, men are just mad because we, we're kind of like, we're making our money, we're travelling the world. We're buying everything ourselves, whereas before, men were like, we, we are alpha male, we make money, women stay at home. And that's where a lot of men's mindset still like, I wouldn't make her wifey, bitch, you haven't fucking got nothing I want anyway.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  Like, what the fuck, you wouldn't make me wifey. What have you got? A fucking BMW on lease, fuck off. Do you know what I mean though?

• 51:03Chris Williamson?

  Well, I think in that situation, they would be your wifey.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  Well, exactly, but like, you know what I mean? Everyone's entitled to be happy. If people wanna be in relationships, be in relationships. If you don't wanna be, don't wanna be, don't do it. And just do what makes you happy. And I've always done that, apart from the one time when I sacked everything off. So I thought, I'm gonna have to give this a real chance. I'll, I'll stop stripping, I'll do it normally. And it just like, it just made me unhappy, made me not be who I was. It made me try and like, fit into this real world with a real job and it just wasn't me, like, I didn't wanna do that again, like.

• 51:37Chris Williamson?

  I think when you, when you look at it now, so there's top end athletes um who need to make a decision between their sport and their family, right? You know, if you're a, a female sprinter who's thirty years old, you've probably got maybe another Olympics or another couple of Olympics and that's it. But also that biological clock's going and you're thinking, well, hang on a second. I need to make a decision here between whether I want a family, do I want to continue down this road with my sport? Everyone who's making these, men do it, women do it in, in um high pressure positions, people that are lawyers, that are doctors, stuff like that, working long hours, they would need to take time off, potentially take a pay cut, not be overlooked for promotion, all this sort of stuff, happening all the time.

• 52:21Chris Williamson?

  The difference is that the industry is dominated by women, the one that you're talking about. And it was only a hundred years ago that women didn't have the vote.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  I know, it's mad, isn't it? They, I'm, I'm telling you now, in the next like twenty years, like, things are gonna be even more different, I think. And women are just gonna, like, I know more and more lesbians now, like, this is crazy. I know more and more girls. You, you go like, she's not your, your normal looking lesbian. And they're getting in relationships with girls, good looking girls of each other because they're just fucking sick of men. Like, like honestly, like, uh, it's mad, because everything's changing. Soon men will be extinct.

• 53:01Chris Williamson?

  Well, I mean, the, the, the problem with lesbian relationships is that they need men to make more lesbians.

• 53:06Speaker 01

  True.

• 53:07Chris Williamson?

  You know what I mean? You can't have more lesbians without more men. But I, I totally get it. And, you know, bizarrely, from, from my side as well, like the sort of girls that I'm attracted to are girls who have agency over their life. For me, I get uninterested in a girl as soon as I sort of know everything that there is to know and I'm no longer challenged or engaged with them. So bizarrely for me, I probably should actually start looking on, uh, admire me for a girlfriend. Um, but I don't want to pay fifteen. Hmm. Interesting.

• 53:36Speaker 01

  So I'm only five ninety nine.

• 53:38Chris Williamson?

  Five ninety nine. Cool. Okay. When, when, when the, when the discount codes are up, you can let me know and I'll find. But yeah. It will be interesting to see what happens. You've this sort of industry now that is being created, that direct to customer, um, photo and video membership site. As far as Sienna is concerned, she's been in the porn industry for quite a while, has completely changed the game for that. So.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:04Chris Williamson?

  Talk us, what, what happens next? Right? Like, do you just keep growing the site?

• 54:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're trying to make a site as best we can and then, um, just, I don't know, I want to do like, I want to go into other areas of like other fields, not so much the sex industry. I want to go into like normal things.

• 54:20Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 54:20Speaker 01

  I don't know what yet.

• 54:21Chris Williamson?

  So here's a question, actually, a good way to sort of round it up. One of the concerns we've spoken about today is the fact that girls are potentially restricted with what they can do career wise outside of that.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  Hmm. So you're best off setting yourself up with your money, basically.

• 54:35Chris Williamson?

  That's my point.

• 54:35Speaker 01

  And buying your houses or getting yourself doing, some girls do it on the side from doing nails and then buying their own shop and, you know, things like that you can do yourself, restaurants, bars. You know, I mean, the frigging beauty industry now, hair and beauty, there's so much money in that now, like. Like makeup, things like that, that never ever gonna die down, like nails, extensions, eyelash extensions. Everyone I know's got frigging eyelash extensions, like every, I don't have them on. People can't be arsed, every other, every other lot I know has them on, every other lot, them individual ones. Everyone's doing it, so, and they're like sixty quid, you know, for them, and they're like, it takes an hour to do them, so people are making good money. There's all these different industries that you can put your money into courses to learn more things and.

• 55:20Chris Williamson?

  But you've just got to get that capital and.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:22Chris Williamson?

  Potentially.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  Save your money, obviously don't blow it all on like Louis Vuitton and shit like that.

• 55:25Chris Williamson?

  And a Lambo and a quarter million pound handbag, what was the handbag you run about?

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Oh no, I haven't got a quarter million.

• 55:30Chris Williamson?

  What was, what was that?

• 55:31Speaker 01

  Mine's a Hermes, Hermes Birkin, I've got a seven grand mine, wasn't.

• 55:35Chris Williamson?

  It's a code what?

• 55:35Speaker 01

  Hermes Birkin.

• 55:37Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  Um, but there is ones for like two hundred and fifty grand, obviously I don't have one like that. Um, but yeah, like obviously I've got loads of.

• 55:45Chris Williamson?

  If you lost your phone on a night out and lost a handbag, I've lost a grand phone and a seven grand handbag.

• 55:49Speaker 01

  I would never take that handbag out.

• 55:51Chris Williamson?

  Wow.

• 55:51Speaker 01

  But, um, I don't go out. But, um, yeah, like obviously I bought a Lambo and stuff like that, and that was because I've already got two houses that I own outright with no mortgage. And, yeah, I already got a lot of handbags and stuff and I just felt like treating myself to something crazy, so I got the Lambo. But I could have bought another house for that, but like, I just think fuck it, you only live once, don't you?

• 56:12Chris Williamson?

  I think especially with the sort of income that you guys have got growing up.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I make like fifty grand a month, so.

• 56:16Chris Williamson?

  What's gonna happen?

• 56:16Speaker 01

  Uh, it's exactly the same one.

• 56:19Chris Williamson?

  I love it.

• 56:20Speaker 01

  But I might, I am gonna buy some property, rent them out, and then I'm looking into like other businesses that I won't say, because I don't really like talk about. And if I don't know, it's definitely gonna happen.

• 56:29Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's just me, like, my plan really.

• 56:33Chris Williamson?

  It sounds bizarrely, one of the things that hopefully will be really interesting to hear from the people that have been listening today is, were you the person that they expected to hear?

• 56:44Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 56:45Chris Williamson?

  Like.

• 56:45Speaker 01

  I would like to hear that too. People always say they're surprised by me, obviously my YouTube videos show a bit of my personality, which I've only just started doing. But I know there's more to me, like you've known me for years, there's more to me than just tits and arse and fanny, like.

• 56:57Chris Williamson?

  That's a big part of it.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, but like I am like a normal person underneath, like I'm just boring if anything, I just like sitting in the house in my jammies with my dogs, walking my dogs. You know, I'm just like a normal person really, who just happens to have shown my body and made some money, but I don't feel any different as a person, I don't. A lot of people are like, oh, you've got no self-respect and stuff like that. I'm like, self-respect is like choosing to do something that I've chose to do, being happy, confident, making money, not hurting anybody. I can sleep at night knowing I'm doing what I'm doing for myself. Me mum was proud of me, like, you know what I mean, like, she, she was proud of me. She used to like, show everyone me nuts and zoo covers and like in the shop she worked in Tesco.

• 57:38Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 57:39Speaker 01

  She blessed my daughter and stuff like that. She was always proud of me. So, and me dad doesn't care at all. Like, I know you're probably thinking, your care, your care was set in a sense, but me dad's still laid back and like, he's just like, doesn't care at all. Like, I always joke about being a paunchstand in front of him and stuff. Just doesn't care.

• 57:53Chris Williamson?

  When he gets a, a Sunday lift to the pub in Lambo, he probably thinks.

• 57:58Speaker 01

  When he's insured on it, someone, he was like, rang me, goes, I'm gonna come, she lives in Durham, I don't know where he goes. So I'm gonna pop down, I'll come see you for a bit. And then, can I take your car out for a drive? I went, yeah, if you want. So he comes down, come see me for a bit and then goes for a drive in the car, then drops it off.

• 58:10Chris Williamson?

  The arse off the Lambo.

• 58:11Speaker 01

  Takes his high-end die.

• 58:16Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, dad will do a car swap for the week. You could get the dogs in the high-end die though, because you can't get them in the Lambo.

• 58:22Speaker 01

  Oh, no. That's why I kept the Range Rover, because the boot's big enough for the dogs, but if not. Yeah, it's a nightmare. Like, the Lambo's so unpractical. Impractical? Whatever the word is. Anyway, it's not practical.

• 58:33Chris Williamson?

  It's fast as fuck.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  It's very fast.

• 58:35Chris Williamson?

  Uh, look, where should people go? They wanna find out more about you. They wanna find out about the site. They got an inquiry. Where, where do they go?

• 58:41Speaker 01

  If you wanna see me tits for free, go on me Twitter, at Chelsea Fergo. If you wanna see what I get up to on a day-to-day basis, my Instagram, at Chelsea Fergo. If you wanna come and see me fanning me arsehole and me sucking a dick, it's add my email dot V I P forward slash Chelsea Fergo.

• 58:55Chris Williamson?

  There you go. That's all you need. Leave something in the show notes below. Thanks. It's been a pleasure, man. Thank you.

• 59:00Speaker 01

  Thank you. Nice to see you.