The Dead Don’t Go To Heaven. Here’s Where They Actually Are Right Now | Suzanne Giesemann

Can We REALLY Communicate With the Dead? Suzanne Giesemann Reveals Shocking Evidence, Afterlife Secrets & the Science of Intuition Is the afterlife closer than you think? What if the difference between an ordinary thought and a message from Spirit comes down to something you can actually learn to recognize? In this episode of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, spiritual teacher and evidential medium Suzanne Giesemann shares extraordinary experiences, groundbreaking insights, and compelling examples of information she believes came from beyond the veil, including a chilling case involving a boy who knew he was going to be struck and killed by lightning. She also breaks down her experience channeling Kirk and Anne Douglas during a reading, raising a profound question: How do we distinguish vague intuition from genuinely evidential information? From the mysteries of consciousness after death to the role of the nervous system in mediumship, Suzanne explores what might be happening beneath our conscious awareness, and why some people seem more naturally attuned to other frequencies, whether connecting with deceased loved ones, spirit guides, or even aliens. Suzanne breaks down: - Where does consciousness go when we die, and how does Suzanne believe she is able to access information from beyond the physical world? - Relationship between the nervous system, intuitive perception, and mediumship, and how we may be able to train ourselves to interpret information differently - Why people frequently report unusual experiences, intuitive insights, and messages from Spirit during the overnight and early-morning hours - Can anyone learn to access the other side? How much of our perception is trainable? - What makes certain people seem more capable of tuning into deceased souls, spirit guides, or even extraterrestrial beings? - How to tell the difference between intuition from Spirit and your own thoughts - How widening our perspective beyond the “only human” viewpoint can open us to possibilities we might otherwise dismiss - What remains difficult to understand about mediumship and recent breakthroughs that have expanded her perspective - What Is REALLY Going On With Hauntings and Poltergeists? Are these experiences misunderstood phenomena, something connected to consciousness, or something else entirely? - Why she believes nobody suffers during the transition to the afterlife - Is the MBB podcast studio haunted? Suzanne weighs in on whether she senses anything unusual in the studio. - What does Suzanne think of Mayim's recent highly intuitive experience? - When should you share a message From Spirit, and when should you keep it to yourself? - What changes when we approach life from the perspective of the soul rather than identifying only with our physical existence? - Practical ways to reframe everyday challenges, consider the lessons they may hold, and approach life's obstacles from a broader perspective Plus...as humanity faces rapid change and an uncertain future, Suzanne shares a message of comfort, hope, and connection from her spiritual perspective. Whether you're curious about mediumship, fascinated by consciousness, searching for a deeper understanding of intuition, or simply wondering what happens when we die, this conversation invites you to question what you think you know, and consider what might be possible when we recognize that we may be more than just human. 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• 0:00Mayim Bialik?

  Where do people go when they die that you can access them?

• 0:03Speaker 01

  They don't go anywhere. Hundreds of television signals, right here. If the screen gets broken, where did the signal go? We're not ghosts. These are people who are still right here. My mentor, Mavis Patilla, had many experiences with Poltergeist activity. A couple who, in their kitchen, the cabinet doors would fly open. And she could see an old man standing there. He said, I want to get their attention. Their kids have brought [BLEEP] home from school, and they're up in the cabinet.

• 0:33Mayim Bialik?

  No.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  They got out of the ladder, and there were [BLEEP] in the top of the cabinet. Isn't that great?

• 0:39Mayim Bialik?

  No, it's not great. It's terrifying. Suzanne Giesemann is an evidential medium and spiritual teacher who's here to help us connect with our higher selves and hear messages from loved ones who have passed. What you're describing, people have no access to this.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  Not yet.

• 0:55Jonathan Cohen?

  For 458 episodes, she's like, I don't know what you people are talking about. Something profound has changed with her.

• 1:03Mayim Bialik?

  I was with a friend. We were talking, and the second she said it, I saw an image.

• 1:08Speaker 01

  But you knew what it meant as well.

• 1:10Mayim Bialik?

  I knew instantly.

• 1:12Speaker 01

  Now, this is going to happen for you again and again.

• 1:14Jonathan Cohen?

  Is this house haunted?

• 1:16Mayim Bialik?

  It talks.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  Have you said, who are you?

• 1:22Jonathan Cohen?

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• 3:07Mayim Bialik?

  Hi, I'm Myam Bialik.

• 3:08Jonathan Cohen?

  And I'm Jonathan Cohen.

• 3:09Mayim Bialik?

  And welcome to our Breakdown. Do we have the ability to train our nervous systems to access information that exists beyond the physical world? Suzanne Giesemann is here with us in person. She's a spiritual teacher. She is an evidential medium. And she's going to explore the mysteries of what is beyond the veil and how everyone can be trained to access the raw data that is available in the universe and turn it into meaningful information for us, for those we love, and as a way to bridge the stresses in our lives and see it as a possibility and an opportunity.

• 3:52Jonathan Cohen?

  She describes how we distinguish intuition from the stories that we tell ourselves and how to broaden our perspective and our ability to receive non-local information.

• 4:04Mayim Bialik?

  She's also going to talk about what it is like to be able to access information from people that we love who have passed on and how we can incorporate that into our lives. Suzanne is also going to be teaching a seven-week course that we want to tell you about. We're going to have a link in the show notes. It's starting December 3 on the Shift Network. Tuning your instrument for evidential mediumship. Train your nervous system to receive, recognize, and trust spirit communication. She really does have the practical ways for you to get in touch with a larger consciousness field and to use this in your daily life. So please, sign up at that link. And what a pleasure it is to welcome to the Breakdown Suzanne Giesemann.

• 4:48Mayim Bialik?

  Break it down.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  It is amazing to be here.

• 4:52Mayim Bialik?

  We've spoken to you twice, but never got to have you in person. So this is very special in particular because a lot of the work that you do is very in tune with energy, with the vibe of a room and a place. So we've had incredible conversations with you, and people have loved the wisdom that you shared. There's a lot of new stuff that we get to talk about today, and we're so grateful we can do it in person.

• 5:17Speaker 01

  It's constantly evolving, unfolding. The new stuff is awesome, so the timing is fantastic. Thank you.

• 5:24Mayim Bialik?

  I'd like to start with your day today because the reason that you're actually in Los Angeles is a series of synchronicities and kind of small miracles. Explain a little bit about what happened leading up to you being here today.

• 5:40Speaker 01

  Well, I had a new book come out earlier this year, Always Connected. And we did a promotional thing where we offered various gifts if people pre-ordered the book. And I don't like to offer my readings as gifts. I just feel they're too sacred for that. But my team just keeps pushing me and said, that's what people want. They want a reading with you. I said, okay. So we offered a random drawing for whoever pre-ordered the book. It wasn't how many you ordered, just pre-ordered the book. And I would do, I think there were five people won a reading. So I did those readings, but it took me a while to get around to it. And so the first one that I did was just a few weeks ago. And I didn't know who the woman wanted to hear from. She was just so excited to have won the drawing.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  And I said, what's your intention for our session together? She said, oh, I just have several people across the veil. I'd love to hear from anyone. So I tuned in right away, and I said, there's a woman here who has a very motherly feel, but I don't think she's your mother. And I described a very unique personality, was able to really pinpoint it. To me, that's the anchor, because I don't see them. I can't describe what they look like, but I can capture their essence. And I said, she's showing me a little bell. This is an actual bell that she had. It has a triple meaning. Like, she would teach people things, like a teacher rings a bell. But it's literally a bell she had. And the third meaning is, when you talk to me, which you do all the time, it's like a bell goes off.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  She said, I said, do you recognize this person? She says, I know exactly who it is. It's Anne Douglas. And that didn't mean anything to me. And she said, I have her bell, and she would ring it. And the staff, because the staff couldn't hear her when she called, so she'd ring the bell.

• 7:26Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, this is already, that's an enormous thing for you to pull out of clear, thin air.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  But that's maybe enormous for you, but that's what I ask the spirit world all the time. You have to give me evidence, evidence, that something verifiable that I wouldn't know and most people wouldn't know.

• 7:40Mayim Bialik?

  Clear as a bell.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  Clear as a bell, exactly. So she went on, and then a couple of other people came in. And then some man came in, and I said, he's, this man is funny. He's playing a trumpet, but he's really not playing it. He's literally showing me that he was playing a trumpet, but he didn't really know how to play the trumpet. And he's actually imitating some famous big band trumpet player. And she goes, oh, yeah, that was in Man with a Horn. And I said, you know what this is? She says, yeah, he played him. But it didn't register, because I'm really tuning into this man.

• 8:13Mayim Bialik?

  So she's saying he's an actor? He's someone who was pretending to play something?

• 8:17Speaker 01

  She didn't say that.

• 8:17Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  She said exactly what I reported here. And it just, I didn't realize, I'm tuning into an actor. But I said, well, he just saluted me, so I know he was in the military and probably junior to me. And she said, oh, yeah, he was in the military. So then we got back to Anne Douglas, and then she kept talking about her husband. That's her husband. It wasn't until the reading was almost over, I said, wait, Anne Douglas and her husband, the actor? She said, yeah, it's Kirk Douglas. I worked for them for 16 years. I was their personal assistant.

• 8:49Speaker 01

  It was only at this moment that I said, this is Kirk Douglas. He was in the military. He was in the Navy, and he would have been junior to me. He only got to the rank of lieutenant junior grade. But in wartime, certainly, I would just give him full credit for serving beautifully. But he played in the movie A Man with a Trumpet, who imitated a big band player who I wouldn't have known, so I didn't get his name.

• 9:12Jonathan Cohen?

  Man with a Horn is 1950 musical drama.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  And so at that point, when I knew who we had here, because I can't see him, I got a little more of his personality, and I said, Mr. Douglas, tell me something about you. I don't know. And he showed me which one. He said, I was in a movie, just like It's a Wonderful Life, but with ghosts.

• 9:37Speaker 01

  And it turns out, she's, and right away, my client, Kim, says, she's not really a client because it was a gift, my sitter, Kim said, oh yeah, that's Illusion, it's the movie Illusion, which I don't know anything about, but if you look it up, it's just the same theme as It's a Wonderful Life, but in that one, the guy who came through was an angel. In the movie Illusion, the guy that came through was a ghost. So what was really funny was two nights later, in the middle of the night, Kirk Douglas dropped in on me, woke me up, and it was his voice this time, absolutely his voice, and he says, there are no damn ghosts, Suzanne. Just cracked me up, because that's right, we're not ghosts, these are people who are still right here.

• 10:18Mayim Bialik?

  Can you explain a little more what it means when people who have died come in, or they, they have a voice that you can hear? What are we actually, what are you experiencing? You as the person that we see here?

• 10:35Speaker 01

  I'm experiencing actual presence that is tangible to the point that I can feel their physical symptoms, I feel their personality, I get a little lightheaded when they first step in. So it is a physiological experience for me, which is something that I've trained myself to notice, because at the beginning, I couldn't differentiate a presence, and that's what's become so important. But I just came from visiting Kirk Douglas's office, that's what was so cool. And I said this morning, I said, okay, Kirk Douglas, your wife, Anne, feel free to be with us the whole time. So I was there with Kim, their personal assistant, and the timing is divine, because tomorrow movers are coming in to take out

• 11:18Speaker 01

  all the memorabilia and auction it for their foundation.

• 11:22Jonathan Cohen?

  So you got to be there just before it all gets taken apart?

• 11:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. And in fact, Kim had a gift for me, which kind of blew me away. This is an original love letter that Kirk Douglas wrote to Anne Douglas, with his signature.

• 11:39Mayim Bialik?

  19, what year?

• 11:41Speaker 01

  1976.

• 11:43Jonathan Cohen?

  Wow.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, so pretty cool. But I could feel him around all morning, it was, and he kept telling me things that I couldn't know, and she would validate it, Kim would validate it. And, you know, why do a reading besides to show the continuity of consciousness? But really, it's about what do they have to say to us, what messages? And their messages were how grateful they were to have lived lives of service. He said, it's all about service. And in fact, one of the pieces of evidence she gave me, Anne Douglas, when I didn't know who I'm talking to, I said, she's showing me an African American man, so let me tune into this, because you can feel why they're saying it. And I said, she's

• 12:25Speaker 01

  saying that equality was so important to her, and I know that she served somehow with the African American, African American community. And it turns out that the Anne Douglas Homeless Shelter for Women came about when she visited a homeless shelter in Los Angeles and said, where are all the women? And there were no separate shelters for women, and that a large part of the community that they were serving through their philanthropy was African Americans.

• 12:51Mayim Bialik?

  What is this information that you get? How do you explain it to someone, let's say, who's maybe skeptical, or doesn't understand? You know, how do you articulate where this information is where dead people go? Like, I mean, I guess that's the question.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  That is the question.

• 13:08Mayim Bialik?

  Where do people go when they die that you can access them?

• 13:12Speaker 01

  They don't go anywhere. They are fields of information, just like you are, and you are, and I am. And we're constantly accessing this information through a nervous system right now while we're in a body. And when we no longer have the body, that information comes through in a different way, it's through knowing. And so I tell people right now, we'd all agree that there are hundreds of television signals right here in this room, but we need a screen to display it on. But if the screen gets broken, where did the signal go? The people we were seeing on the screen didn't go away, that signal is still here. It's

• 13:55Speaker 01

  a very basic concept that I've been sharing for, for years, when I first started to ask, where did they go? How is this possible? So we can, as I've learned, and much more in depth lately, train our nervous system to take raw data, information that's right here, and with intention to narrow the field of data, to just the loved ones connected to you or you for this time together, that's what comes into our awareness. But what I've really learned, it's fascinating, heck out of me, is that a lot of processing of that

• 14:35Speaker 01

  data takes place beyond our conscious awareness. So by the time something comes into our awareness, it's not necessarily the raw data, it's what we are meant to hear.

• 14:49Jonathan Cohen?

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• 18:40Jonathan Cohen?

  How do you reconcile the notion of the radio signal, and people are just here as frequency or bits of information, with all the accounts we have of people with near-death experiences, experiencing, and these vivid descriptions of heaven and the afterlife, and this experience of, you know, being there with a physical body that is, I don't, reborn isn't the right word, but everyone's 35 and having this experience.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 19:12Mayim Bialik?

  Everyone's 35.

• 19:13Jonathan Cohen?

  And that feels like a place.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  I'm so glad you asked that, because saying that we're all information makes it seem very impersonal. What we're tapping into are what, as an analogy, different channels, different networks. So if we stick with the TV analogy, we're having the, this is the Earth Experience in a Human Body channel, and we're totally focused on it, we as conscious beings. And when we no longer have this body, and that story has played out, then we instantly become aware of the new reality, it's just a different program. So if you want to go back to, go to the virtual reality simulation, this is the human in a body headset. Meditation

• 19:59Speaker 01

  can allow you to change the program, put on a different headset, and then...

• 20:05Speaker 01

  We can, using psychedelics, meditation, imagination, experience different programs. And so when you're in each program, it's your current reality and it would appear solid.

• 20:20Mayim Bialik?

  One of the things that really struck me and has for years about your work is many mediums or intuitives kind of say, "I've figured it out," and come to me because I have the truth. And what you teach is that there's nothing particularly special about the ability that you have because it is one that you do teach people.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:47Mayim Bialik?

  So what is that like? Explain to us what it means to go from someone like, you know, who might be like, "I don't know what any of this is and I can't tap into anything and like, I don't think there's dead people," right? Like, that are speaking to me. What can you teach?

• 21:02Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh. First, we have to teach people that this is real because until you believe it, you're going to dismiss it and you won't have the experience. You might have the experience and just blow it off as imagination or not even notice. This is important, pay attention. So, once you shift your attention there and we've opened people's belief systems to what is possible, and it's possible for you, then you teach them to set a very clear intention. That's going to narrow down the data that you access. Then you teach people how the information is accessed through the nervous system. And that, you've probably talked about this a lot, is what people call the clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, the clairs, using non-physical senses to access data

• 21:47Speaker 01

  the way we do with our physical senses. So, you teach the people the clairs and I'm taking it a step further now in my teaching to show people, you can actually train your own nervous system to receive data in specific ways that you, that will be meaningful to you. And it's going to be different for every person because we all have different memories, we all have different focuses of our physical senses, different nervous systems.

• 22:16Mayim Bialik?

  I want to check in with Jonathan here because, you know, you both have energetic abilities that I do not. In terms of your experience, what about this makes sense to you and your framework? Or does everybody have a different way that they go about it?

• 22:34Jonathan Cohen?

  I don't get messages from people on the other side. Just know something-

• 22:39Mayim Bialik?

  Not with that attitude, you don't?

• 22:41Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 22:42Jonathan Cohen?

  Or if I do, I'm not aware of it. So, I understand frequency. I believe that we can tap into things. I experience information like a data stream and I believe that we can put our consciousness towards a specific question with a specific intention. For example, you know, moving my consciousness outside of my everyday reality, which it gets stuck in, and so I try to go higher and sort of elevate to sort of a universality location. I believe that possibilities, probabilities exist there and we can get information about, you know, is this dynamic helpful for me? And, you know, is there more information about this opportunity that may end up falling apart and it sort of looks really good in the materialist worldview, but actually there

• 23:27Jonathan Cohen?

  are things behind the curtain not being revealed to me that I can, I believe we can pick up on. But I have always gotten stuck in the evidentiary part of, "Show me something that is so unmistakable that I can bring it back," like the bell.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  The bell.

• 23:41Jonathan Cohen?

  So, I kind of, I feel like I get scared almost because I'm like, grew up in a world where all this energy stuff was like way out there. And I was young when I started and I was trying to bring this experience back to kids in high school who were like, "What the heck are you talking about?" And so, I think I still carry some of that self-consciousness of being like, if I'm working with someone or I'm trying to bring a message back, well, if it doesn't resonate, then what? What does that mean?

• 24:13Speaker 01

  That is so common. It's very common and very human. So, you just set it aside and really, this is, that's a big challenge. Some people want to do it to impress other people and you learn very quickly, this is about serving those in spirit and the people here. It's about the healing ability.

• 24:30Mayim Bialik?

  I would want to impress people. I'm going to be honest. If I had this ability, I'd be like, "Who wants a reading? Who wants to know?"

• 24:36Jonathan Cohen?

  I would want to impress people, but I wouldn't want to be like, "What about this?" And people are like, "Look," that feeling of being looked at, like, "What are you talking about? You're spewing nonsense." You just like, it struck out.

• 24:46Speaker 01

  You have to get used to that as well. I mean, I was the A student, you gotta get it right, right? And this is an art and you get things wrong every reading. And that's one of the most challenging things is when people say, "No, that's not right." So, then, right on the spot, you go back and I know this spirit person is right here and I'll say, "Why did I just get that?" And sometimes it's in my perception it was skewed and most of the time it's static, static.

• 25:17Mayim Bialik?

  Okay. I want to, I want to throw something out there that's a little bit out there that we didn't even talk about bringing into this episode, but the way you described it, when you talked about, you know, the stories and interpretations that we put onto, let's say, even unconscious, right? Reception of information, you know what I thought about? Aliens. I'm going to tell you why. We've talked to a lot of people in the last year or so who have put forward this theory that perhaps what some people call aliens, right? Is the best that they can do to articulate an experience they're having.

• 25:57Mayim Bialik?

  And some brains will make it an alien and some brains will make it a ghost or some brains will say, "It's an orb, it's a light, it's a feeling," right? And we're all just trying to articulate some interface with either a non-human intelligence, something outside of this material world. It had me thinking about that when you talked about, like, what's the story we put on it? We might be all having some sort of interface and our cultural background, the historical background that we come from, the place that we live, the religion we were raised in, the biases we have, possibly our political party, right? Can form the story that we tell.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  So, hopefully, well, that's, that's on the grand scale and I'm sure, I'm very aware that that is possible, that consciousness is going to show up hopefully in a way that's meaningful for you and helpful. So, when you're sitting with somebody who is desperately grieving a loved one and wants to hear from them, we really narrow that field down to, we want to hear only from loved ones who have passed. And that's hopefully what we get. And my system is, if it's really you, you have to give me verifiable information. I don't know about you, but I also have to feel you. I have to capture their essence.

• 27:18Mayim Bialik?

  For people who might be listening who like have no access to this, right?

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Not yet.

• 27:24Mayim Bialik?

  Right, not yet. The metaphor is, imagine you have a radio and you can turn the knob and you can get stations, right? But what if instead of, you know, the cutoff being 88.9 versus 106.7, what if what we're actually experiencing is about like 100 to 103.5? It doesn't mean those other frequencies don't exist, but if you do not have the equipment to tune, you're going to get a much smaller view of what reality is. So, I might say, "Oh, my radio's only tuned to 100 to 103.5, that's all there is."

• 28:06Mayim Bialik?

  And you might say, "Well, I have the ability to tune all the way into the 80s and all the way up into the 106s," right? I'm just using like the FM frequency.

• 28:16Jonathan Cohen?

  Maybe she can go to 500.

• 28:18Mayim Bialik?

  We then can say, like, "How far can you expand it?" Like, and it's not that, I don't get to say that it's not real. I get to say, "I don't have that tuner."

• 28:27Speaker 01

  That's not your reality.

• 28:28Mayim Bialik?

  Correct.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  And that's why I haven't had the experience of communicating with extraterrestrials, but I know that's-

• 28:34Mayim Bialik?

  Yes, that person.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  Touche. But that's that other person's reality.

• 28:41Jonathan Cohen?

  Can you give us some examples of unbelievable things that have come through? Last time you talked a little bit about investigators and people who are using it in such tangible ways to help identify missing people. Those stories for me are so powerful because they just send a chill down your spine because it's so urgent and practical and the need is there. Sometimes even in grief, it kind of feels like, you know, grief is such a human process, why don't we just let the other side go?

• 29:13Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 29:14Jonathan Cohen?

  A little bit. Why are we constantly trying to communicate?

• 29:16Mayim Bialik?

  I want to solve crimes.

• 29:17Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Okay. This is so great because when I was sitting in Kirk Douglas's office with Kim, all of a sudden I got a hit. I said, "Oh, I had forgotten that story. This one has to come up today." And I wrote it down, but I didn't need to because of the guides are saying, "It's going to come up, don't worry and this is the perfect entree." This is great because it's, it shows us that we all have help from higher consciousness. You could call them a guide, whatever you want to call it, it doesn't have to be a loved one. In this case, I was due to give a keynote presentation at a conference in Sedona. I was staying at a friend's house, it was the night before. I had put together about 18 slides. I really just wanted to speak it just temporaneously, but I like showing evidence that has come up in slides. So, I was all set.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  3 o'clock in the morning, I'm awakened and my guides said, "We want you to go back to another presentation you gave and pull out these specific slides of this woman and her-

• 30:12Mayim Bialik?

  That's how the information comes to you?

• 30:13Speaker 01

  So clear.

• 30:14Mayim Bialik?

  Is it a voice?

• 30:16Speaker 01

  Thoughts.

• 30:17Mayim Bialik?

  Thoughts.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  That sound like they're talking to me.

• 30:19Mayim Bialik?

  Is it your voice?

• 30:20Speaker 01

  It's my voice. My voice in the thoughts, but I know it's my guys.

• 30:23Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, fine.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  And they showed me the specific slides. It was about a woman who'd had a breakthrough using my methods and connected with her own daughter who had passed. And she wrote to me and she said, Suzanne, I had a breakthrough. It took a year and a half. I know it took you three years to connect with your stepdaughter, but this was a year and a half. I've tried every day. And when I felt my daughter, I said, well Suzanne says, ask you to tell me something going on in a family member's life that I don't know. So I said to my daughter, what's going on with your brother right now that I don't know? And my daughter showed me a White House. So I wrote it down, a White House. She said, 10 minutes later, I get a text from my son, Mom, look where my partner and I are. We just made a decision to come here on a spur of a moment.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  And they're standing in front of the White House. So this was a huge breakthrough for this woman. And I made a slide of the picture, because she sent it to me, of the picture of her son standing in front of the White House and a picture of her daughter across the veil, and the big words breakthrough. So clearly, I was supposed to tell that story at the conference. So we get into the conference and the next day, I'm on the stage, there are 600 people in the audience. And I flipped the slide to the next one, showing that the ones that I had been guided to put in, had no intention of telling this story. And you know, sometimes people in an audience will squirm or they'll heckle you or something. And it's, you know, this woman in the very front row is making motions and like disturbing me.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  And I looked down like, what? And she goes, and she said, that's me. That's my daughter. I went, you're Trisha Rivas?

• 32:07Mayim Bialik?

  Whoa.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  This is your daughter? We'd never met. I taught her on an online course. And she gave me permission to share the story, sent me the photos a year ago. Her daughter, her guides, who knows, knew she was coming. She was gonna be in the audience.

• 32:27Mayim Bialik?

  Why? My question is why? Am I allowed to ask why?

• 32:30Speaker 01

  Yes. Because 600 people saw this moment that nobody could deny, because there's a picture of me on the stage going like that, because it was such a setup from spirit. And the fact that the audience was full, the theater was full. But she walks in the theater with her daughter, late, and heard her daughter in spirit say, Mom, go to the front. She goes down to the front row, and the guy who holds up the sign that says you have five minutes left, had put his coat across two chairs. And he said, you want this seat? She sits right in front of me, not knowing I'm gonna bring up her daughter. I bring up her daughter, and she holds up the picture, and the whole, and she holds it for the whole audience to see like this.

• 33:11Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, that's like if it was a magic trick or a mentalist, right?

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, and, but it was clearly, I can backtrack till three in the morning, when the guide said, put these slides in. Because she's, she didn't, they didn't finish the sentence, because she's gonna be in your audience in the front row, and this will be a moment. So not only did it help those 600 people, how many people are we gonna reach with this right now? You see, the ripples continue. So people, I call those NOEs, no other explanation moments, right? I didn't have that thought. The thought arose in awareness, because my guides knew I would wake up and hear them and do it, right? I follow orders.

• 33:48Jonathan Cohen?

  Did it have to be three in the morning? Don't they communicate earlier?

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Sometimes one o'clock, sometimes five o'clock, but that's an optimal time for anybody to get a message, because there's no static in the line.

• 33:59Mayim Bialik?

  Are you often awakened?

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Yes. Ask my husband. I keep a pad of paper by the, by the bed. We, oh, you know about my film Wolf's Message?

• 34:09Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, there, we recreated how Wolf came to me in the middle of the night, and we called it the bedroom scene, you know? Because we did, we had me showing how he came to me, and I reached over to that pad of paper and wrote down what he was giving me in the middle of the night. Tremendous evidence.

• 34:25Jonathan Cohen?

  If people haven't seen that film, do you want to tell us a little bit about it?

• 34:28Speaker 01

  Oh, well, this is the young man that absolutely left evidence that he knew he was gonna be struck and killed by lightning. And it happened the next day. And when people found the drawing that he showed, in that, the exact location where it was gonna be happened. And what would happen afterwards? His parents planted two red roses at the base of the tree where he was stuck. And in the poem and the drawing that he left the day before, he drew that tree and the two red roses at the base of it. So the, the film Wolf's Message that's on YouTube now, shows that evidence, talks about how this is possible.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  And that became the basis of all of my teaching, which I called The Awakened Way. This shows that we're not only human.

• 35:16Mayim Bialik?

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• 36:01Mayim Bialik?

  And maybe you've already noticed signs, like synchronicities, that kind of like gut feeling, the moments that line up like a little bit too well? Now you want to know what they mean and what to do with them, and this is where you get those answers. Every episode closes with a lovely guided practice, so you don't just walk away feeling inspired, you walk away with tools that you can actually use. New episodes of Dear Gabby drop every Monday. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Catch the full video episodes at youtube.com/gabriellebernstein. Let us tell you about the Insights at the Edge podcast, one of the most trusted long-running conversations in the mind-body-spirit space. Hosted by Tammy Simon, founder of the multimedia company Sounds True, Insights at the Edge

• 36:45Mayim Bialik?

  features in-depth conversations with the world's leading spiritual teachers, visionary thinkers, and living luminaries. Each week, Tammy brings her whole unguarded self to every conversation, sharing her own personal reflections openly and deeply. Episodes explore the honest work of change, spiritual discovery, awakening, intuition, purpose, trauma, and grief. Mind, Bealik's Breakdown and Insights at the Edge feature many guests in common, including Dr. Gabor Maté, Dr. Martha Beck, Michael Singer, Sharon Salzberg, Lee Harris, Kai Dickens, and more. If you're looking for spiritual wisdom that is accessible and actionable, check out Insights at the Edge from Sounds True. Listen to new episodes of Insights at the Edge every week. Follow the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

• 37:28Mayim Bialik?

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• 37:38Speaker 04

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• 37:54Speaker 05

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• 38:19Mayim Bialik?

  And this is something that when we spoke to Dr. Julia Mossbridge, talking about precognition and, you know, precognitive dreams and things like this, you know, what she talks about is, there is a clinical way to understand the number of synchronicities that can occur and to run stats on the probability. And Wolf's Message is a great example of, it would be one thing if, for some reason, right? He was struck by lightning and killed, and he left a message the day before through a poem or a drawing that indicated something about lightning. And we would say, wow. But that's just one.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 39:00Mayim Bialik?

  The number of synchronicities.

• 39:02Speaker 01

  In.

• 39:03Mayim Bialik?

  And, correct. When they start lining up, and if you have, and we'll include the link also, the number of synchronicities that line up in terms of the location, the specificity of what happens after how he was found, you know, all these things, if you can run the stats on that, and there are people who do this, to say that the statistical probability of this number of synchronous events lining up is, it is phenomenally small, right?

• 39:32Speaker 01

  And then Wolf came to me numerous times while all of that was unfolding, mediumistically, with all kinds of evidence that ultimately, you know, why are you here? Because we want people to know, you're not only human, you're all connected. This is one web of connection we're part of.

• 39:49Mayim Bialik?

  Your story, you know, kind of in a nutshell, you came across this work, you know, kind of accidentally, meaning you were a naval officer. This was, you were not a hippie dippy, out there person, like, you know, this was not the world that you were revolving in?

• 40:05Speaker 01

  Not at all.

• 40:05Mayim Bialik?

  And it was a loss that allowed you to eventually communicate with, with the person you had lost. I'm wondering.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, yeah. That was, I wasn't, I had, that was off my radar, and the guides just said, now's your chance to tell that one.

• 40:22Mayim Bialik?

  Oh.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. I just led an awaken way cruise. I take people and lead big workshops on the cruises and. One of the women whose stories I featured because I brought her husband through, she was on the cruise and I was ready to share her story. And she emailed me at 2:30 in the morning. I was up at 3:00 in the morning because I couldn't sleep excited about the next day's workshop. She said, Suzanne, I just met two ladies who are on this cruise on their own. They didn't know you're a medium, but they were your husband's next door neighbor in 1994. And their daughter, who was killed one year before your stepdaughter Susan, was best friends

• 41:07Speaker 01

  with Susan in high school.

• 41:09Mayim Bialik?

  What?

• 41:11Speaker 01

  So Susan's best friend, my stepdaughter Susan, who was the star of all of this for me, her mom and sister just happened to be on the same cruise with us. And so I said, you got to come to my workshop if you're open to this. So can you imagine? You just pick any cruise, any location in the world. We were in the Mediterranean. And they ended up sitting next to my husband Ty in the front row. And they were just, the things I was teaching them were so outside of the box for them. You can imagine. And I could feel Susan and their daughter Kristen to another setup, the timing of things. When people start connecting the dots and see how synchronicity works, it's very hard

• 41:54Speaker 01

  to deny this web that we're part of.

• 41:58Mayim Bialik?

  You spend so much time in other people's, right? Lives, right? You're receiving information from other people's loved ones, right? Beyond the veil. I'm curious personally, has this opened more of your aperture? Has this made your life kind of also more interesting in terms of the information you get from those who've passed on besides Susan?

• 42:22Speaker 01

  I know that I'm deliberately cut off from tuning into those in spirit unless I'm doing a session because my personality is such that I want to give everybody messages. And I look at this wall of pictures back here and it's like, why am I not just feeling everybody all the time? And the guides say that's exactly why, because you just burn out. You're here to live a life as well. But what it's opened me to is the fact that these guides that wake me up at 3:00 in the morning and the other people's guides that say, pick that cruise, wait till you see what's going to happen on this cruise, you know, because your daughter's best friend is going to be connecting you. I've learned that that kind of help is available all the time.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  So I may not tune into other people's loved ones, but the guidance for me is constant to the point of, am I going to be on time for this? Yeah, you're going to be two minutes late. It's like this inner, really like the energy GPS.

• 43:19Jonathan Cohen?

  You said earlier, we all have help from higher consciousness or some think of it as our higher selves. That's, sounds like that relationship, if I'm going to be on time. It's like very practical in a way, right?

• 43:32Speaker 01

  And loving, that's the thing. You really realize we aren't ever alone. I was thinking back to my time in the Navy and I feel sorry for people now who really feel I have to do everything on my own. This world is all there is. It's not. And you said about going higher, I've lately shifted that to going wider. It's not like it's some lofty thing I can't reach because it's way up here. We're part of all of this. And to realize that that actually is a beneficial world that we're part of, it wants to help us. You know, the nudge of evolution and nature is towards goodness, to realize that that's on our side.

• 44:16Speaker 01

  We're not stuck in this drama, this story. We can expand and say, what am I missing here? What else is available to me? What do I need to know? And the answers come. Everybody can learn to tap into that.

• 44:29Jonathan Cohen?

  As a daily practice or even many times a day, you're simply asking, what else can I know?

• 44:37Speaker 01

  I don't ask it so actively all the time because I've really trained my nervous system to just tune in. I used to be-

• 44:44Jonathan Cohen?

  Maybe for someone who's just starting.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  The list person, had to have everything planned out. But now you can train yourself to just notice what wants to arise now, what wants to happen next. And when you act on that and you see how the flow goes, you learn to trust that. So it's just a matter of widening the lens instead of, I mean, it's great to say, hey, guys, what am I missing here? But if you just know that without even asking that question, something's going to just arise in awareness. Notice how I'm not saying you're going to think of it. This is the nervous system difference. We go to our head and you think you have to think about it, when in fact you can just

• 45:28Speaker 01

  tune into the whole body, the whole nervous system. What do you know? Because it's already in the field.

• 45:35Mayim Bialik?

  There's thoughts, right? That's the thinking, that's that kind of intellectualizing we do. There's feelings, which is sort of the embodied kind of label that we put on things. And then there's sensations, right? There's things that we literally are kind of either feeling in our body or taking in with other senses, which we know, you know, they exist. So this interplay is something that, you know, for anyone who's done, you know, any kind of therapy or especially behavioral therapy, like cognitive behavioral therapy or dialectical behavioral therapy, this is what we are supposed to learn, right? Thoughts are not feelings, right? The behavior is like the last thing we see, but they all interplay with each other.

• 46:20Mayim Bialik?

  When you have a feeling, it can influence the thoughts. When you have a thought, it can influence the feeling. Then you can have a sensation that brings forth an emotion, which then leads to a thought. And it's this beautiful web, right?

• 46:31Speaker 01

  Yep. But the problem with mediumship is that that way the brain is, it's so funny to be looking at a brain over there on the wall. The way the brain is programmed to create stories and meaning and linkages can actually be a problem in mediumship. So you train yourself to notice the impression that arises, sensation, thoughts or feelings. I call the STF, the stuff of life. So what I teach people is there are two ways we experience the world as this pure awareness, which I call the base. And everything else is an overlay. Remember the old transparency projectors?

• 47:13Speaker 01

  So the light of awareness is the projector and then the transparencies are the overlays. So sensations, thoughts and feelings-

• 47:19Mayim Bialik?

  I got a lot of overlays.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, we all do. You can't not have them and they're not necessarily bad. But in mediumship, we go for what's the first impression that comes in and then go back to base.

• 47:33Mayim Bialik?

  And this is some of the most recent, like literally the most recent work that you're doing. How, and I know you can't just like answer this in two sentences, you know, or 30 seconds or less. How do we begin to train ourselves to know the difference between the story and the interpretation versus the raw data? And I've had some experiences of this recently, which we haven't really talked about here. This will be the first time we talk about it, where I'm getting information, but I get real scared real fast and I cut it off and I stop and I shake it off. How do we train ourselves to, is it a nervous system regulation thing of taking in data

• 48:14Mayim Bialik?

  and stopping the brain's natural desire to make meaning of it?

• 48:19Speaker 01

  That's part of the training.

• 48:20Mayim Bialik?

  How do I do that?

• 48:21Speaker 01

  Absolutely noticing what arises and noting it. And then return to base, return to base.

• 48:27Mayim Bialik?

  What is it? Give us an example.

• 48:29Speaker 01

  Remember doing a reading for a woman and I knew I had connected with her father in spirit. I'm going to get back to this because notice how I, when I speak of father, my head goes over here. And when I spoke of, oh, this is a woman like a mother, my head goes over here. That's something I trained my nervous system to do. I set up a system. I learned this from my original mentor, Janet O'Havick, who has passed. She said, you tell the spirit world what, how they're going to show you the relationship, mother, father, grandmother, child.

• 48:55Mayim Bialik?

  Well, that's the feminine side is your left side.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  Well, you can make up-

• 48:58Mayim Bialik?

  Like in Chinese medicine and all these things.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Any system, she said.

• 49:01Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  And they'll use it. I realize now just recently, it's not that in my system, a father is necessarily standing here and a mother is standing here. I used to think it was so, but now I realize it's way back in 2009, I said to my nervous system, if there's father information in the field, I want to feel it over here. And my body responded that way. And it's replicated itself so often now that it happens before I'm even aware there's a father here. I'll be doing a reading, boom, ooh. And now I stop there to answer your question. I don't assume it's a father. That's just the first impression.

• 49:45Speaker 01

  So now I say, if there's really a father here, you have to tell me something or let me feel you.

• 49:50Mayim Bialik?

  Could it be a masculine mother?

• 49:53Speaker 01

  Thank you. It could be anything. That's the challenge. And so you were saying about being scared by that. Well, you get one piece of information. And this is where, when you're learning, you do validate almost everything.

• 50:06Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  And then if it's not a father, then why did I get pulled over there? And it's not scary. It's curiosity.

• 50:12Mayim Bialik?

  I'm only scared, not curious.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  I want to come back later because just this last week, my mind was blown about how I trained my own system based on that new awareness that we're training the nervous system to respond. And a breakthrough for me that will be for my students in the future, for sure.

• 50:34Mayim Bialik?

  What was it?

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Well, one of my biggest challenges has been accurately receiving names and dates and numbers. On our last interview with you, we talked about why it's hard to get missing persons cases. Because data, such as names and locations and dates, is very specific. And thanks to my own research, I'm now understanding why that is. It's very abstract, meaning if you throw up an abstract painting here, it has no meaning to me. And so if there's a name out there like Robert, that has no meaning to me. There's nothing I can hang my hat on.

• 51:16Speaker 01

  There are no recognizable things that can come into my system from just a name. Whereas things like profession, you know, what did this person do?

• 51:27Mayim Bialik?

  So this is also an explanation of why mediums don't just say like, okay, your grandpa Mike is here and blah, blah. Because there's no quality to a name. It's literally just nomenclature that the meat suit spits out, right? Like, we call him Michael. But who he really was, in my case, he's right there. He was an accountant. He was a workaholic.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  So the medium could get that.

• 51:48Mayim Bialik?

  Got it.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  Personality.

• 51:49Mayim Bialik?

  Because it's a quality.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  And it's relatable and recognizable to all people.

• 51:54Mayim Bialik?

  In defense of mediums, I now accept that you can't pull names out of thin air.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, stand by. Because now with understanding that the nervous system, that the information is already in the field. The person's name is part of the field. I said to myself, if I have developed a system where mothers would pull me over here, I said, what if, because I really love languages and cryptology, what if I give my own nervous system a way to detect the first letter of a name and the number of syllables? So what I'm doing is narrowing down the possibilities from any name in the world.

• 52:32Mayim Bialik?

  Sure.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  So I, my husband just cracks up at me. I came up, I'll show you. I actually came up with a system that I was going to give to my own nervous system and the spirit world. And I said, all right, we're going to break up the alphabet.

• 52:50Mayim Bialik?

  Stop it. Are you serious?

• 52:53Speaker 01

  Into five categories. And syllables, well, I see charades when I do readings. If somebody goes like that, I see in my mind's eye, in the screen, that. That means sudden passing. If I see this, that means passed at the scene of event. But, and that's very specific. And my soul was launched out of the body. Tell my love when I didn't suffer. And it's in, and when I see that, that could be the very first thing.

• 53:20Mayim Bialik?

  What's the sign for I did suffer?

• 53:22Speaker 01

  Nobody suffers. We could talk about that later.

• 53:26Mayim Bialik?

  Kind of a hot take.

• 53:28Speaker 01

  Come back to that.

• 53:29Mayim Bialik?

  Writing it down.

• 53:30Speaker 01

  So I figured, all right, my nervous system already, I already see imagery of charades. So I told my husband, if you see me doing this, I'm practicing. So, all right, I said to the spirit world.

• 53:43Mayim Bialik?

  Don't send me to the looney bin. I'm just practicing.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  If there's Alfred in the spirit world, spirit world, tap me twice there. Two syllables, A, that's over here on the left. And like, Susanna, that would be here. One, two, three.

• 53:58Mayim Bialik?

  Wait, where are these on your body? So where's A through E?

• 54:00Speaker 01

  So I mapped it on my body. The first A to E is going to be here.

• 54:03Mayim Bialik?

  So if the name, I just want to be clear. If the name of the person that you're trying to get, if the first letter's between A and E, you are, you want to feel.

• 54:10Speaker 01

  I'm going to feel tapping the number of syllables here.

• 54:12Mayim Bialik?

  Where's F through J?

• 54:13Speaker 01

  F through J is going to be here. Right in the middle is K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, R, S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z. Now, this is not intuitively obvious. I built this system and then I spent a couple of days repeating it. And I even, I got AI to give me a list of 300 random names. I said, give me 300 names, just, and I printed it out. So I could look at the list and say, how would George come through? Boom. One syllable right there. Okay? And then I looked at the list and it's Walter. Well, that would be there. So this, I programmed this. This is a theoretical experiment. And I said, spirit world, I'm doing a reading tomorrow. I would love for you to use this system. Bring me names.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  And they've really been catch, as catch can for me over the years. When it's super significant, I'll get a name and it just, it's like, whoa, I can see why that.

• 55:07Mayim Bialik?

  And the tapping is the number of syllables in the name. So if it's one, it's George. If it's two, Walter.

• 55:13Speaker 01

  But it could still be any one of these five. I'm just going to, I'm narrowing the possibilities. See, I'm giving the spirit world something to use, but I'm, they can use my nervous system. So I was thrilled. My scheduler sets up the readings. I looked at the calendar for the next reading and it's somebody I'd done a reading for twice before and it was a gift. So there's no money on the line. I even, all my readings are for charity anyway, but no pressure. And I, and I just knew I'd be able to just relax. So there's not going to be static in the line. I didn't tell the sitter that I was going for names. We start out the reading and I knew who she wanted to hear from, her partner who had passed recently. And instead, this is the part that blew me away.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  I'm hoping to see charades. My head got pulled.

• 56:03Mayim Bialik?

  Woman?

• 56:04Speaker 01

  No. I already knew, we had her partner here who's a man. But my head got pulled and I felt one syllable, just like that. And I just knew I was getting a name. I expected to see tapping. They used the spatial body mapping and I got Fred. And I said, who's Fred? She says, oh, that's my dad. I said, okay, that was cool. And then the next thing you know, my head's right up front and I feel two syllables. I said, and I'm supposed to talk about Michael. Oh, that's my ex-husband who passed. Next thing you know, Anna.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  What blew me away is my nervous system training for location of relationship trumped my idea of how this would go. It just used what was already in my system and I just knew it was a name. I mean, we got Audrey, Anna, Michael. It was just, I was blown away.

• 57:06Mayim Bialik?

  Is this something you're consistently seeing?

• 57:09Speaker 01

  Well, I only did it last week. And, but there's more because I took it to another level. I've, I know I'm going to be teaching this in an upcoming class. And I said to spirit, you want me to be teaching nervous system and how we can train? People want names. And that's when they pulled out all the stops. My guides were just saying, well, and started explaining to me how to get names. So I said, well, what's another piece of abstract data? Dates. Dates. So I thought, all right, how do we use this system to map out? Clearly, my nervous system responds to spatial body mapping.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  Well, all of our nervous systems are already used to a clock. 12, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. I said, what if I put a calendar?

• 58:04Mayim Bialik?

  On a 12 month.

• 58:05Speaker 01

  December, we already know is the 12th month. What's the ninth month?

• 58:10Mayim Bialik?

  September.

• 58:11Speaker 01

  So it's going to be right here, right? And the fifth month, like a 5 o'clock on the clock, that would be May. So I spent a day imagining if a spirit brought up June. That's a six month, I'd be straight down here. Would this work? Well, how are we going to get the exact date? I mean, this is specificity that is, this kind of advanced? Because I want people to feel the spirit.

• 58:36Mayim Bialik?

  Even if you guessed the month of something, you've got a 1 in 12 chance just by statistical probability, I'd be impressed if you got the month right.

• 58:45Speaker 01

  I would be, and I have over time. I've heard August, but it's random and then I don't know what it is. So that, get that date. So, well, the clock already has 1 to 12. So there's some numbers. I said, spirit, 1 to 12 there. Let's go farther out. I use the military time all the time. So I already know 13, 13 is one.

• 59:05Mayim Bialik?

  Oh.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  So you go 13, 14, so 18 will be straight down over here. We can go all the way up to 24 and then I mapped out 24 to 31. And I just thought, why wouldn't this work? Except it's brand new. So this is the second reading I'm trying to system. I already got names. And this was the last reading I did? Yeah, just last week. So I, I knew I was set up with that really easy reading with that woman for names. So I thought, I wonder how this is going to go. No pressure. I don't have to get these dates. This is an experiment. I'm really here to serve this woman. So I said to her, what's your intention for this reading? I can't share the specifics because I don't have, I haven't asked her.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  I was stunned when she said, a loved one of mine has been missing and I need to know if they're dead or alive. And I just dropped because, as I said on the last show, I won't do that because I don't trust. If they don't know, and you could do harm. And I said to her right, straight up, I, even if I sense your loved one, I won't be able to tell if it's just their soul. And whatever they tell me, I could be wrong. I shared the story about Sylvia Brown being wrong. I said, but we can communicate with her soul and I'll tell you what things she has to share with you, but we need to get evidence. So I tuned in.

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  And I described the person how I was feeling. She was, the sitter was very low energy because she was, can you imagine if your loved one's gone and she's been going through a really hard time, missing? And then all of a sudden, my head got pulled over here. Now, that could have been a mother. That could have been a name now in my new system. But I knew this is September. I can't explain the knowing until you, to anybody that hasn't experienced, there's just a knowing, this is September. And I thought, okay, I've learned to return to base, not try. And suddenly, I'm aware of a specific date. I'm going to make it up because I don't have permission.

• 1:01:21Speaker 01

  So I'll just say, I get pulled to 23. And I said, well, I'm sensing September 23rd is a significant date. And she says, that's that specific loved one's anniversary. I literally, I had to stop because she didn't know this is huge. It was validation, this system will work. But here's the thing, this is so important. Neither those names nor the dates prove that we're connecting with a spirit. To me, they show I am tapping into a field of energy that has this data in it.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  So we still have to, with integrity, go back to, can you feel the presence of someone? And that's something you also train your nervous system for. What does that feel like? And it's, it's going to be different for different people. People who've been seeing spirits their whole lives, they'll literally see the spirit. They can describe them. And that's very, very helpful.

• 1:02:29Mayim Bialik?

  We're going to hit pause here on our conversation with Suzanne Geisman. But you do not want to miss part two. There is so much more. She's going to talk about what is still challenging, even after all of these years of being a medium. And I'm going to share some recent breakthroughs I had with a highly intuitive experience that involved information that Suzanne says must have come from the other side.

• 1:02:55Jonathan Cohen?

  We're also going to discuss ghosts and poltergeists, what she has experienced about spirits that have stuck around and what messages they have to share.

• 1:03:05Mayim Bialik?

  Also, how do you tell the difference between toxic positivity and actually tuning into the belief that everything is going to be okay, no matter what? And finally, is our podcast studio haunted? All that and more in part two of our conversation with Suzanne Geisman.

• 1:03:21Jonathan Cohen?

  If you haven't already been following us on Substack, come check it out. My and Be Alex Breakdown on Substack.

• 1:03:26Mayim Bialik?

  From our breakdown to the one we hope you never have, we'll see you next time.

• 1:03:29Speaker 06

  It's My and Be Alex Breakdown. She's going to break it down for you. She's got a neuroscience PhD or two. And now she's going to break down, it's a breakdown. She's going to break it down.

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