Part Two: The Dead Don’t Go To Heaven. Here’s Where They Actually Are Right Now | Suzanne Giesemann

Can We REALLY Communicate With the Dead? Suzanne Giesemann Reveals Shocking Evidence, Afterlife Secrets & the Science of Intuition Is the afterlife closer than you think? What if the difference between an ordinary thought and a message from Spirit comes down to something you can actually learn to recognize? In this episode of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, spiritual teacher and evidential medium Suzanne Giesemann shares extraordinary experiences, groundbreaking insights, and compelling examples of information she believes came from beyond the veil, including a chilling case involving a boy who knew he was going to be struck and killed by lightning. She also breaks down her experience channeling Kirk and Anne Douglas during a reading, raising a profound question: How do we distinguish vague intuition from genuinely evidential information? From the mysteries of consciousness after death to the role of the nervous system in mediumship, Suzanne explores what might be happening beneath our conscious awareness, and why some people seem more naturally attuned to other frequencies, whether connecting with deceased loved ones, spirit guides, or even aliens. Suzanne breaks down: - Where does consciousness go when we die, and how does Suzanne believe she is able to access information from beyond the physical world? - Relationship between the nervous system, intuitive perception, and mediumship, and how we may be able to train ourselves to interpret information differently - Why people frequently report unusual experiences, intuitive insights, and messages from Spirit during the overnight and early-morning hours - Can anyone learn to access the other side? How much of our perception is trainable? - What makes certain people seem more capable of tuning into deceased souls, spirit guides, or even extraterrestrial beings? - How to tell the difference between intuition from Spirit and your own thoughts - How widening our perspective beyond the “only human” viewpoint can open us to possibilities we might otherwise dismiss - What remains difficult to understand about mediumship and recent breakthroughs that have expanded her perspective - What Is REALLY Going On With Hauntings and Poltergeists? Are these experiences misunderstood phenomena, something connected to consciousness, or something else entirely? - Why she believes nobody suffers during the transition to the afterlife - Is the MBB podcast studio haunted? Suzanne weighs in on whether she senses anything unusual in the studio. - What does Suzanne think of Mayim's recent highly intuitive experience? - When should you share a message From Spirit, and when should you keep it to yourself? - What changes when we approach life from the perspective of the soul rather than identifying only with our physical existence? - Practical ways to reframe everyday challenges, consider the lessons they may hold, and approach life's obstacles from a broader perspective Plus...as humanity faces rapid change and an uncertain future, Suzanne shares a message of comfort, hope, and connection from her spiritual perspective. Whether you're curious about mediumship, fascinated by consciousness, searching for a deeper understanding of intuition, or simply wondering what happens when we die, this conversation invites you to question what you think you know, and consider what might be possible when we recognize that we may be more than just human. Suzanne Giesemann’s Free Online Event, How to Prepare Your Nervous System for Spirit Communication, takes place Nov. 14th: https://shiftnetwork.isrefer.com/go/hpscVF/a28246/Explore Suzanne's Upcoming 7-Week Course, Tuning Your Instrument for Evidential Mediumship: Train Your Nervous System to Receive, Recognize & Trust Spirit Communication. Learn more about the course and enrollment opportunities through the free introductory event: https://shiftnetwork.isrefer.com/go/hpscVF/a28246/Wolf's Message documentary: https://youtu.be/Dnfn65gGYuw?si=1xAhqwTlLQcUbT2L Follow us on Substack for Exclusive Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.bialikbreakdown.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube.com/mayimbialik⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/mayimbialik%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:04Mayim Bialik?

  Hi, I'm Mayim Bialik.

• 0:05Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm Jonathan Cohen.

• 0:06Mayim Bialik?

  And welcome to part two of our conversation with Suzanne Geissman. She's a spiritual teacher, bestselling author, and an evidential medium. And she's going to be teaching how to tune your instrument for evidential mediumship, train your nervous system to receive, recognize, and trust spirit communication. We have a link in our show notes. It starts December 3 on the Shift Network. You can learn the skills of evidential mediumship.

• 0:31Jonathan Cohen?

  In part two, we're going to talk about the paranormal. Suzanne offers a powerful perspective on how to navigate uncertainty and frightening times. We also talk about ghosts and poltergeists and times that she has experienced spirit sticking around and causing havoc. What was the real message behind those cases?

• 0:51Mayim Bialik?

  In addition, is it possible that no one truly suffers? Suzanne's going to explain what really happens when we die. And we're going to explore some pretty recent remarkable intuition that I myself have tapped into, and we're going to ask Suzanne to explain it. Please enjoy part two of our conversation with Suzanne Geissman.

• 1:11Jonathan Cohen?

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• 2:54Jonathan Cohen?

  What strikes me in this whole explanation is the relationship you have. So many people think that, oh, I'm just going to download this information and it's just going to become clear to me. And then when it's not there, or it's murky, they don't understand what to do. And it goes back to what Mayim was saying about curiosity versus fear. If you can't calm yourself down and then have the next follow-up question, you're basically interviewing spirit.

• 3:24Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, it's a conversation. That's so important. This is not data. That's... I said to the spirit, "Well, I'm not going to do this unless I can feel you." To me, it's sacred to show somebody your loved one is still here. And it's absolutely real-time, interactive communication. And when that... This is why at first, you need to validate almost everything so you get to know and train your nervous system, this connection is real. But ultimately, we want to know that's so real, all the static's out of the line, the connection is so clear that it just flows. I love those.

• 4:02Mayim Bialik?

  That's very consistent with, as you said, in forms of meditation, right? The idea is not just to quiet your mind, it's to clear away the noise, which usually is ego, right? It's sort of like the stories that we're telling each other.

• 4:16Speaker 03

  And the doubt and fear.

• 4:17Mayim Bialik?

  The doubt, which is also like, it's an extension of ego. So when we clear that away, what is left, and Rupert Spira talked about this, right? What's left is kind of just...

• 4:28Speaker 03

  The base.

• 4:29Mayim Bialik?

  Yes. The base. It's all about that base?

• 4:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. In between a stimulus and a response is a space. That's the base.

• 4:40Mayim Bialik?

  That's Viktor Frankl. We were just talking about that quote.

• 4:42Jonathan Cohen?

  Do spirits and souls get trapped, in a sense? We hear about them having unfinished business or not being able to move on, sticking around houses. More... More often these days than before, we're hearing about paranormal activity, things, objects moving on walls or falling off walls.

• 5:05Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 5:06Jonathan Cohen?

  People have like, you know, poltergeist scenarios. What can you help us understand about why that might be happening?

• 5:12Speaker 03

  Yes, it's wonderful, too.

• 5:14Jonathan Cohen?

  If spirits need help to like, go about their lives and sort of resolve things here.

• 5:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. I have not had many experiences with this, only one where I had a spirit that just didn't realize he could move on and was hanging around for a very specific reason. But my other mentor, Mavis Patilla, had many experiences with what people would call poltergeist activity. And I went to England to interview her because I wrote her biography, Droplets of God. And she tells two amazing stories about being called in to investigate poltergeist activity. One of them was a couple who, in their kitchen, the cabinet doors would fly open.

• 6:03Speaker 03

  Everybody would see it, and it was scaring them. So Mavis walks in. She could see spirits, and she could see an old man standing there. And she said, "What are you doing here? You're scaring this family." And he said, "There are drugs in this kitchen." And she said, "What do you mean?" And he said, "I died from a drug overdose, and I don't want anybody else to pass the way I did. Their kids have brought drugs home from school, and they're up in the cabinet." That's why I want to get their attention. And the parents said, "No, this isn't possible." And they got out of the ladder, and there were drugs in the top of the cabinet. Yes, isn't that great?

• 6:44Mayim Bialik?

  No, it's not great. It's terrifying.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  No, it's not their kids. And then the other one was she was called to a local swim club because there were... People were getting creepy feelings. They'd go into the mechanical room underneath the pool, and it was... Things would clang, and it would get cold instantly. So the manager brought her in. She walked down there, and there's another guy. "What are you doing? You're scaring everybody." And he said, "I passed by drowning, and these..." You're going to love this. "These lifeguards, they're young teenage boys, and they're sitting up there, and all they're doing is watching the girls in their bathing suits, and the little babies... The kids are going to drown, the little kids, because these boys aren't paying attention." And she told the manager that, and he's...

• 7:32Speaker 03

  He found it hard to believe, but he changed it around, put different people on different spots to watch different people, and the activity stopped. She came back, I don't know, a couple months later, and the old guy in spirit is sitting in the bleachers above the pool. She said, "What are you doing here?" And he said, "Just keeping an eye on them."

• 7:56Mayim Bialik?

  I think he's watching the girls in bathing suits.

• 8:00Speaker 03

  But you know, if I heard that, like I'm telling you, if I just heard that anecdotal story, I would, you know, understand why you would doubt that, but I trust Mavis. And I know that she was amazingly clairvoyant.

• 8:12Mayim Bialik?

  In the encyclopedia of mediumship, is that just a different level of access for people who can actually sort of interface with this... With this level of poltergeist kind of activity?

• 8:26Speaker 03

  Okay, well, there's my little lip twitch that I can't control. That's my nervous system saying, "You just got coherent enough to hear from your guides." And they said, "You, in your human form, might consider that a different level, but it's just a different nervous system's way of processing."

• 8:42Speaker 03

  So it's not better or worse, it's just that's how we consider it better because I do because I can see it. I was told this morning by my guides, I was not supposed to be getting names and dates until now because I really had to hone that tuning into personality. That's what matters. That's what's important.

• 9:01Mayim Bialik?

  I was thinking about this from like a musical metaphor perspective. Like there are some people who have absolute pitch. They have perfect pitch. They can pull any note out of the air at any time with no reference point. And then there are people with relative pitch. I have mostly relative pitch, that if you give me a note, I can then pull any other note from it. But I need a reference, right? And then there are people who are tone deaf, right? And have no sort of, you know, kind of anchoring in a scale of frequency, right? I was thinking about this in terms of like the kinds of ways that we can tune in to these things. Some people have an ability that is uncanny. And we know that this exists.

• 9:43Speaker 03

  So you're not going to teach this system. You're going to teach people, let's build on what works for you. And your nervous system will repeat that then when you tune into spirits because you are setting up a cooperative system.

• 10:00Jonathan Cohen?

  When we spoke to the Long Island medium, she would describe like metallic taste in her mouth was a certain bit of information, but it was blood in her mouth was another, and she wasn't having blood in her mouth, she would just have the taste of it.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  And it's very real.

• 10:16Jonathan Cohen?

  And that would indicate something about the spirit and how they passed that she was connected to.

• 10:21Speaker 03

  Right. Well, I'll get physical symptoms. And this is another training piece here. My heart will palpitate. And so you don't want to go with the first impression and say, well, that person had a heart attack. I will note.

• 10:36Mayim Bialik?

  That's so basic.

• 10:37Speaker 03

  I will note to the sitter, I just got palpitations. I know it's not me physically. I know there is a heart issue here with your loved one. And at the beginning, that's a good validation. But I don't need the validation. I'll say, don't say anything. Then I'll get some more. Then suddenly I can't breathe. Put the two together, feel into it, get a yes from the spirit. Your dad had congestive heart failure. And then that's it. So my nervous system gives me the physical symptoms. She got the taste. And it's so real. I mean, I smelled, well, one time I had a cold, my nose was so stuffed up, I couldn't smell anything. You could have put pizza in the room and I couldn't have smelled it. But

• 11:19Speaker 03

  I did a reading that day. I checked in. Am I okay to do a reading? Yeah, do the reading. And suddenly this person in spirit took me into their attic in my mind's eye, showed me an old trunk, opening it up, and gave me my now, now, now charade in my mind's eye. And I said to my sitter, your loved one is showing me that you were just up in the attic, opening this trunk, looking at memories, and I smell it's musty. It was as if my physical body were smelling musty things. And she said, last night, and it's really musty. And so what is real? Right? When you smell something, is it really objective?

• 12:01Speaker 03

  Or is everything arising in consciousness? Maybe it's both.

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• 15:55Mayim Bialik?

  It's also the brain, the memories that we hold, which are also linked to our senses that way. Well, but I'm saying that like, we know that there is access to that information, right? When you smell a certain perfume and it reminds you of your grandmother, right? You're taken back into that place. So like, we know that the olfactory system also does hold memory that way. It's actually one of our oldest memory systems, right? Because imagine we're bacteria, single celled organisms, and we don't have vision or touch yet, right? We have chemical sensation, we have light sensation.

• 16:33Speaker 03

  But this brings up another new teaching, in that the spirit is not necessarily saying, I wore that perfume. They're noticing in your field, you medium would know that perfume because it's, I see it in your memory field. It's in my memory field. It's like two tuning forks. The spirit's field and your field, the medium, are two local fields, and they just light it up in your field. So your memory of that perfume, your awareness of the smell just comes up in your awareness. They don't have to say anything. It's going to come up in your field in a way that is meaningful to you. And you say, my grandmother had this

• 17:16Speaker 03

  perfume in white shoulders. I'm smelling it now. I know this is coming from your grandmother. And they're going to say, oh, my God.

• 17:22Mayim Bialik?

  I want to go back to this notion, which is an enormous topic. Nobody suffers.

• 17:30Speaker 03

  I knew there was something we were supposed to go back to. I'm so glad you did. You've interviewed enough people who've had near death experiences, and I've talked to enough people.

• 17:41Speaker 03

  About them and they all say, I don't, I didn't feel any pain. It was beautiful and it was peaceful. Well, in all of my readings, when a loved one shows me that, that they passed immediately at the scene. And I didn't even know to this point that they were in a car accident and they passed at the scene. If I don't, if I see a car accident and I don't see that, I know that they passed later. That to me is very evidential.

• 18:06Mayim Bialik?

  Say it again?

• 18:07Speaker 03

  So say somebody was in a car accident, unconscious, but they got, at least got to the hospital, could have been in a coma for a while. I won't see that sign. This means I passed immediately.

• 18:21Jonathan Cohen?

  And for people who are only listening, you're sort of scooching your handle.

• 18:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like a sweeping motion upward. And it means my soul just launched out of the body and I watched it all. Tell my loved ones I didn't suffer. And what I've learned from those in spirit is that the soul just dissociates from the body. And but unfortunately, the body reacts on its own. So you may hear painful screams, fearful screams. But the soul has dissociated enough. There's a wonderful woman, Nancy Rhines.

• 18:59Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, we spoke of her.

• 19:00Speaker 03

  Dragged under a car.

• 19:01Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, yeah.

• 19:02Speaker 03

  And she was aware of being under the car, but watching it at the same time.

• 19:05Mayim Bialik?

  Yep, her consciousness split is how she described it.

• 19:08Speaker 03

  And this is, this is my understanding of how it works.

• 19:11Mayim Bialik?

  Mm hmm. When you're making this motion, can you describe to us, when you say that you see it? Are you seeing, are you seeing yourself making that motion?

• 19:21Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 19:22Mayim Bialik?

  Does the motion just exist in your mind's eye?

• 19:24Speaker 03

  You must be in my head because that's exactly what it's like. Because I see images like that and I see things, but I don't see their faces. So they have, it's as if there's only one mind and it's seeing things through this body. And so I'll see gestures and things like that.

• 19:44Jonathan Cohen?

  We'll come back to Mayim's increasing psychic awareness, which she, for 458 episodes, she's like, I don't know what you people are talking about. I don't have access to this.

• 19:57Speaker 03

  Breakthrough.

• 19:58Jonathan Cohen?

  And then just in the last couple of weeks, something profound has changed with her, where information is downloading, she's having flashes and images of things. She's sensing people, she's getting information about people as they're talking.

• 20:14Mayim Bialik?

  Against my own will. I don't know, like I, I've definitely had some like odd things, but I've never understood any of the vocabulary. I mean, I've been a student of yours, right? Through meeting you, reading your books, like using your app, all the things. But it's always like a little bit over there for me, you know? I'm like, I'm trying and I'm learning and the things and all life is going on. So this literally happened, um, was it a week ago? I was, I was with a friend who was going through, um, a relationship shift. I'll, I'll just leave it at that. And the sentence she said to me, and I wasn't like thinking about this overnight. You know, it was just, we were talking and it was kind of casual and she, it really bothered her that he changed.

• 20:59Mayim Bialik?

  And the second she said it, I saw something, I saw an image. And I, I don't know where it came from. The second she said it, I knew he didn't change. I knew something else had happened. The image that I had was, you know, like, I mean, it's such a weird thing. You know, like the lottery, it's like a cage, it's a circle cage. And when you're like going to bingo, they turn the thing. It's got a lever, a metal crank and it turns over. And then at some point a ball drops out. And when she said he, that she didn't like, or she was confused about that he changed, I instantly saw this box rotate. It was in my head, it was like it dropped in. It, it rotated over, but the ball didn't drop.

• 21:44Mayim Bialik?

  And I said to her, he didn't change. And she looked at me like, what, you don't know him? Like, what do you mean? I said, he didn't change, he, he couldn't get there. It was like there was one more revolution that he needed to go to get. And she said, that's exactly right. She said, you're, you're right. He didn't change. It was that he couldn't quite get there, not for lack of trying. And I just have chills now in the back of my head, all the way down my arm. And I said to her, I don't, she's like, what are you, what's? I said, I don't know, but I saw it, I knew, I knew.

• 22:17Speaker 03

  But you knew what it meant as well.

• 22:19Mayim Bialik?

  Correct.

• 22:19Speaker 03

  That's so important. Not only did you notice, you had an impression.

• 22:22Mayim Bialik?

  That's right. So if anyone ever has a situation where someone just couldn't quite get there, come to me because I'm going to see it. It's going to be rotating over, but not quite getting there. That's the only one I've ever had like that.

• 22:36Speaker 03

  That's a start.

• 22:36Mayim Bialik?

  Blew my mind.

• 22:38Jonathan Cohen?

  What do you make of that?

• 22:39Speaker 03

  There's hope.

• 22:40Jonathan Cohen?

  It's not someone who.

• 22:42Mayim Bialik?

  There's hope for curmudgeonly, materialistic Scrooge Mayim.

• 22:48Jonathan Cohen?

  It's not spirit in that it's not connecting with someone who's past. But there's more information about a dynamic.

• 22:55Mayim Bialik?

  But I got a visual with it.

• 22:56Speaker 03

  Yes, well, that's, this is the point. It's all consciousness. We are all part of one field of consciousness. We have our own patterns in here. That information about her partner was in the field. It's in her field, but you were thinking of him. So you unconsciously tuned into his field.

• 23:16Mayim Bialik?

  And she was also in an emotional place. Maybe that was not allowing for a settle. I didn't really feel any attachment to him. I don't know him, right?

• 23:23Speaker 03

  And so without thinking about it, that, under the surface, your nervous system provided an impression filled with meaning for you.

• 23:34Mayim Bialik?

  I knew it, I knew instantly. There's nothing else in my mind that that image meant.

• 23:39Jonathan Cohen?

  How did you feel after you shared that information with her?

• 23:42Mayim Bialik?

  I felt very proud of myself.

• 23:45Mayim Bialik?

  I don't mean in an egoistic way.

• 23:46Jonathan Cohen?

  No.

• 23:47Mayim Bialik?

  I was blown away.

• 23:48Speaker 03

  Ah, because now you're not, you're going, you're lessening the fear. You thought that was pretty cool and you helped her.

• 23:54Jonathan Cohen?

  And the reason why I asked that question is because otherwise it's static, right? Someone says something, we connect to it through the intellect. And we're like, oh yeah, maybe he didn't, maybe he did change. But our bodies know that there's a difference and therefore now there's a delta between what our mind is thinking and processing and the signals that it's sending to our body. And our body is actually saying, wait, there's something else. There's another perspective.

• 24:22Mayim Bialik?

  I also, I had to say it, meaning once it was in my head, I couldn't, I had to say it.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  But it's cool is though now this is going to happen for you again and again. And you're, and there will be times when you might be a little off, but you're going to start to get used to, this is how impressions arise and I know what it means. But hopefully you'll stop yourself and say, is this going to be helpful? Because if it's not, don't share it.

• 24:45Jonathan Cohen?

  She's also now going to have a lot more language to interface with it.

• 24:48Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 24:49Jonathan Cohen?

  And to ask questions and to use her scientific method to try and, and hey, give me more information about this.

• 24:56Mayim Bialik?

  How do you know when you shouldn't share information?

• 24:59Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 25:00Mayim Bialik?

  Like, how do you know, how do you objectively say this isn't helpful or it is?

• 25:04Speaker 03

  So in the session for the lady with the missing loved one, I heard something very clear. I'm not going to share it right now.

• 25:11Mayim Bialik?

  Sure.

• 25:11Speaker 03

  But it, on the surface, if you assume somebody had passed, it, it could lead to that. But when you look at it objectively, it could have various interpretations for different people. Just by itself, if I gave that phrase to somebody completely out of context, they would all have different interpretations. And so since I can't be sure, that could have hurt her, especially if it wasn't, my interpretation wasn't true. That's the challenge with evidence that comes through that has multiple interpretations versus a date. Let's see, yeah.

• 25:51Jonathan Cohen?

  I have a hard question for someone else, but probably not for you, meaning it won't be hard for you.

• 25:57Jonathan Cohen?

  Is this house haunted?

• 25:59Speaker 03

  This house?

• 25:59Jonathan Cohen?

  This house. Or maybe has some extrasensory powers. There's a room outside of the recording space that has a vaulted ceiling. It was an addition. And it creaks in a way that is very unusual. It can be quiet for days, doesn't matter the weather conditions. And then all of a sudden.

• 26:22Mayim Bialik?

  It talks.

• 26:23Jonathan Cohen?

  Especially in moments of heightened emotional states.

• 26:27Mayim Bialik?

  It talks.

• 26:28Jonathan Cohen?

  It will creak and talk and it will feel like it's moving and it is,

• 26:34Jonathan Cohen?

  we can't quite understand what's going on.

• 26:36Mayim Bialik?

  We've actually started, we've laughed when it talks because it'll be like super intense moments. And it's like become a running thing of like, of course.

• 26:45Jonathan Cohen?

  It's like a chorus, it's like a Greek chorus. It's like, oh, we're talking about something and we hit something that's authentic or true or painful.

• 26:52Mayim Bialik?

  It's like the earth shifts.

• 26:53Jonathan Cohen?

  And then all of a sudden the house will be like, oh yeah, that's right.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  So what I hear as I tune into that is you already know the answer. That there's, there's some conscious being that wants to get your attention. So start interacting. Have you said, who are you?

• 27:06Mayim Bialik?

  We're just going to burn the house down when you leave. That's my solution. All right, we're done. It's been fun. I own it, burn it down.

• 27:15Speaker 03

  You put up a little lot, don't you?

• 27:18Jonathan Cohen?

  More than you know.

• 27:21Mayim Bialik?

  Start interacting with it?

• 27:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, but why, so why do people go to fear? Because you watch movies like Amity Bilhar growing up. It's dramatic.

• 27:28Mayim Bialik?

  Well, I don't like things I can't explain.

• 27:30Speaker 03

  Well, okay.

• 27:32Jonathan Cohen?

  That's most of life.

• 27:33Mayim Bialik?

  No, I don't like it.

• 27:37Speaker 03

  If we just say, isn't that interesting? That takes us to neutral.

• 27:41Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 27:41Speaker 03

  And then we can say, with your natural curiosity, all right, why are you here? And so they're gonna have to get, you know, a way of communicating with you that will let you know. And it's not necessarily like the two examples I gave you, that there's something they'd have to tell you that's wrong. It could be they really like living here.

• 28:03Jonathan Cohen?

  It's a nice house. Why wouldn't they?

• 28:05Speaker 03

  I just heard hooray for Hollywood. I mean, who wouldn't want to live in there? Who wouldn't want to live in this area? Yeah. So they're just hanging around. And it doesn't mean they're stuck. And just trying to get your attention at appropriate times. So greet them with eagerness, openness, curiosity.

• 28:23Jonathan Cohen?

  Could they be helpful?

• 28:24Speaker 03

  That's the thing, yeah.

• 28:26Jonathan Cohen?

  I mean, if they're here, they might as well contribute.

• 28:28Mayim Bialik?

  Make yourselves useful. Stop scaring my home.

• 28:32Speaker 03

  Start flickering the lights, too.

• 28:33Mayim Bialik?

  Hmm.

• 28:34Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah, we don't have any lighting issues, which is helpful, because

• 28:36Mayim Bialik?

  I do.

• 28:37Jonathan Cohen?

  Oh, her house, yeah. Her house has a lot of problems.

• 28:41Mayim Bialik?

  Well, look, I mean, also, and this is sort of also the stories we tell, right? Like, if, this house was built in 1947. So like, things, things were different. And we do have lighting things in that room.

• 28:54Jonathan Cohen?

  Oh, yeah, that room.

• 28:54Mayim Bialik?

  And I have had, I have had an electrician out to this house many, many times. And it was literally just like, I don't know. I don't know, you know? And sometimes that happens in old houses. So also, like, you know, the Venn diagram of like houses that have electricity problems and houses that have ghosts, you know, there's some overlap there if they're old, you know?

• 29:16Speaker 03

  When you start adding up all the stories, is you just get to the point where you ask yourself, why am I denying this? It's just fun, but it's also helpful.

• 29:27Mayim Bialik?

  One of the things that I think a lot of people would love help or support with, right? From the spirit world, right? Is there's a lot of uncertainty right now. There's a lot of political uncertainty. There's environmental uncertainty. I mean, here in Southern California, you know, there's a lot of conversation. We're preparing for storms where, you know, things that our city is not used to because we don't usually get rains like this, right? I grew up in this city and like, it was usually like cold a lot of the time. And now it's sort of like hot all the time, but also crazy storms, right? There's all these conversations. There's a lot of uncertainty. I think there's political unrest and there's a lot of confusion. Big business, consolidation of power, like all these, war. I mean, really, it's a rough, rough time.

• 30:10Mayim Bialik?

  A lot of people want comfort. And a lot of people want to understand, why does it feel like everything is coming apart right now? And I think post-COVID, you know, I think COVID itself really shook this planet up, right? What can spirit offer us to sort of bring us some comfort? Because a lot of people feel like they're kind of fraying at the seams.

• 30:34Speaker 03

  It is a chaotic time. And as I tune into that, I just see the pendulum and, and I'm hearing that chaos happens before we have a return to balance again. And so, you know, things are being shaken up. And I hear very loudly the word opportunity, opportunity to come together. But we have to widen that lens and see the big picture. If it's all consciousness, it's all part of the wholeness. And when we go to fear, that just adds to the chaos.

• 31:03Mayim Bialik?

  And there's so much fear that rules. I mean, even social media, right? It's sort of, it's looking for that algorithm that pulls anger, shock, outrage, fear, right? I mean, even the news, like, many of us don't, like, we feel homeless in the news department because we thought we could get information, but it's, oh, it's coming from this political party or that entity, right? That's fear.

• 31:25Speaker 03

  Oh, absolutely.

• 31:26Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 31:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. And that's why having some kind of a spiritual practice where you can return to base regularly, you don't go to fear.

• 31:35Jonathan Cohen?

  As people are developing the spiritual practice, it's actually something we talked about in the first time we met with you. Can you describe for people how to really start to tell the difference between intuition and your ordinary thoughts?

• 31:51Speaker 03

  Mostly, it's the novelty and how it just, it arises so naturally. Just try to think about anything. You actually, you literally find your awareness in your head. You maybe scrunch up your face a little, whereas intuition is just here. You just know. And there's a calmness and an openness with that.

• 32:14Speaker 03

  So act on that if it's not going to be harmful to yourself or others, and just see how things flow with that.

• 32:21Speaker 03

  But the novelty of it, oh, that's something I wouldn't have thought of. Or, oh, no, that just feels, that feels just right. People ask psychic questions all the time. They already know the answers to.

• 32:31Jonathan Cohen?

  They're looking for that external validation.

• 32:33Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 32:34Mayim Bialik?

  Signs, synchronicities, mediumistic evidence, and mystical experiences can open the door. But the deeper question is, how does knowing whatever we get information about change the way I live on a Tuesday afternoon?

• 32:52Speaker 03

  It's, it's also this knowing that everything is okay, no matter what. I mean, we went, we've been going through some health issues with my husband, some little, a case of leukemia. And just with the ups and downs of that, there's just this knowing that no matter what, this is meant to be happening. What are we going to do with this moment right here? To not go to fear anymore, no matter what's going on is so freeing and was not the way my life was in the past. So it affects everything you do. And you notice when you go to fear. And you notice when you get knocked off balance immediately because it's so opposite of that openness

• 33:34Speaker 03

  that becomes a way of life through any kind of practice.

• 33:38Mayim Bialik?

  So first of all, our, our heart is with you and your husband.

• 33:42Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 33:42Mayim Bialik?

  But I'm also trying to think, you know, I mean, not to bring us totally down, but we were talking about, you know, we're seeing a rise in cancers among young people, you know, things that we never saw before. And when these diagnoses come in, right? It's devastating. And the place that people go to is fear, it's panic, it's the anticipation of, of suffering, of pain. How, how can we turn from that to something else?

• 34:09Speaker 03

  This is, once again, it is absolutely training the nervous system because our bodies are programmed to go to fear and survival. And so 20 years ago, when that nurse called and said, your blood test shows this, it would have been hair on fire. Instead, in, in our case, and he has the very, the easiest form, no chemo or any of that, but it's still an issue and, and it causes a cascade of issues. My response was, here we go. Meaning, this is going to be a new chapter.

• 34:41Mayim Bialik?

  And was he like, woman, I need you to panic. I need you to hold my hand. Is he on board with this?

• 34:46Speaker 03

  Absolutely on board, yep. And so it was just, okay, we're gonna flow with that. And you find yourself in the cancer center all of a sudden. And would I prefer to be somewhere else? Absolutely. But it's just this even keel state that is absolute freedom. And I didn't have that before, but it's from daily sitting quietly for a few minutes, acknowledging there's something more and doing my best to tap into that.

• 35:14Mayim Bialik?

  I'm laughing, and I don't mean this facetiously, but people who are high all the time can feel that, right? Meaning, that's not the state that we want to be in, in our natural state. But I'm saying, the way that you describe it, we've all like had a glass and a half of wine and like something happens and it's like, it'll be okay, right? That's not what you're talking about. You're talking about a sober, grounded knowing.

• 35:36Speaker 03

  Knowing there's a bigger picture here. And this is just one aspect of it. Let's widen the lens and be the bigger picture.

• 35:45Mayim Bialik?

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• 36:30Mayim Bialik?

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• 37:01Speaker 04

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• 37:30Mayim Bialik?

  Some people might hear that and say like, "Well, that just sounds like toxic positivity. That sounds like not being in the moment. That sounds like you must be high, right?"

• 37:37Speaker 03

  I'm not happy all the time.

• 37:38Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 37:38Speaker 03

  And I've had, like I said, you get these moments where you're off balance and then you just, you train yourself to say, "That's the story. Got caught up in it." Or, "It's the program." And then you just go, "This is not working."

• 37:54Mayim Bialik?

  I'm nowhere near, you know, this level. I'd like to get there, but what I often say is, "I'm not enjoying the simulation today."

• 38:02Speaker 03

  That's beautiful.

• 38:03Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, that's what I've found myself saying. Like, whatever God is thinking that I can handle, which I might disagree with, I don't have to enjoy the simulation. But like, to be able to step outside of that and say, "This is not happening to me. It's happening for me. What's the message? What's the, like, what happens next?"

• 38:22Speaker 03

  So, when you see, "Opportunity", was the word that came up. Every moment of our life is an opportunity to train the nervous system. And just yesterday, in the airport, coming here, you stand in a long line and you can say to yourself, "I'm gonna watch how everybody else around me handles this, and then I'm gonna choose." It's not feeling superior. It's, "Do I wanna be like that person? Or do I wanna be just flow?" And then it's really fun when you take it to another level and say, "I'm gonna smile at people and help them calm down."

• 38:56Mayim Bialik?

  There's something you talk about that we're not only human. And this, you know, the expression is like, "You're only human," right? Can you talk to us about what it means to approach our life from the perspective of, "We're not only human"?

• 39:09Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. It's just, you take me back to something we said earlier about talking about aliens. And I don't talk to aliens. But at one time, I made a joke and I put it on my Facebook.

• 39:21Speaker 03

  Dog just made such a sound. Who was that? "Are there aliens in here?"

• 39:28Speaker 03

  That was great.

• 39:31Speaker 03

  But I put on my Facebook page,

• 39:35Speaker 03

  one of the phrases, I'm not a religious person, but we all know the phrase, "We're in this world, but not of it." And I said, "That's what all of us are. We get off balance when we feel this world is the only world." So I said, "So if all of us are in this world, but not of it, that makes us aliens." And I said, "Aliens unite. Any other aliens out there?" Oh, my gosh, people commented so many. "I'm an alien, I'm an alien left and right." So, it's just this awareness that if we can tap into other channels on the Consciousness Network, other programs, if we could take this headset off and have this mind-blowing experience without using drugs,

• 40:19Speaker 03

  then there is more to this world. That's the whole point. And we don't die, because we just enter another program. If we can do that, then we can make better choices from a place outside of this reality.

• 40:38Mayim Bialik?

  And also, we obviously don't advocate, especially in states where it is not legal. We don't advocate that people use drugs. But I do think transcendental experiences, which can come from drugs, which can come from a deep meditation, right? Those states can be an opening for us to be able to say, "How do I bring that down from the mountain, though?" Right?

• 40:58Speaker 03

  It bypasses the filters, the nervous system.

• 41:00Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah. You talk about loosening certainty enough to allow other possibilities into awareness. And the reason I like this and want you to explain it is because so many of us are wound so tight and we're holding on so tightly to our identity, our name, our religion, the political party. Like, we hold on so tightly. And when somebody tries to introduce something, "No, I don't meditate," or "I don't believe in that," or "Aliens are ridiculous," or, you know, whatever it is, we're holding so, it's a closing, right?

• 41:31Speaker 03

  Boy, is that painful, too. That's the suffering. And you learn that you don't have to suffer. Life is painful. And it is, it will always be, because it has every possibility in it. But suffering doesn't have to last. So I've been teaching a new method. I've tried it on my recent crews, brought people up on the stage and walked them through it. Bring me an issue that you just can't let go of. And I said, "Let's use this new process." I call it the flows process. And if you first found the facts, what are the facts that anybody, if we were recording this, would agree to? Those are the facts.

• 42:03Mayim Bialik?

  What happened?

• 42:03Speaker 03

  Everything else is overlay. So then you look at the overlays. From your point of view, this is what's going on here. And then, oh, is open to other possible overlays. It's all gonna be overlays, but, so what else could be going on here? And it's so awesome when people take the time. So that, we can do that at the human level. But then the next step is where this gets a little different. Widen to the whole bigger picture. Widen the lens. And you step back to the soul's perspective. The soul can say, "Yeah, this is your reality and that's happening, but it's also this person's reality, and it's this person's reality." And the moment you widen that lens,

• 42:46Speaker 03

  you see everybody just take a deep breath for a second and they realize, "Oh, my gosh, I can step back." And then I just say to them, "All right, now the S is, just see what arises from the field, not from your head, not from thinking. Now that you've stepped back." And it's really interesting for me. Don't fill in the blank. Wait. See what arises for them, because it's not about somebody else solving your problem. It's, "What arises from the field? Not your field, the field for you." And, "Oh, it's magical, because a new perspective arises." And it may not solve the issue, but it does exactly what you said. It allows you to loosen the grip. And once you see there are other possibilities

• 43:30Speaker 03

  and it arose, once you stepped outside of the issue, then you can just do that over and over, because there is no one answer that's perfect. Everything's dynamic. So what's the next thing that wants to arise?

• 43:45Mayim Bialik?

  It's been such a pleasure to get to talk to you. And again, especially in person, to see how you work. And, you know, it's something that I think I didn't get to appreciate fully in the times that we've, you know, spoken on a screen. Because seeing how your body kind of takes in information, like, "This is an episode I really hope people have watched and not just listened to." Because it's very interesting just to see the pivots, to see the kind of map, right? I mean, the grid that many NDEers have also described. When you see that grid that's actually beneath the reality that we think is real, it's almost like you're tracking that grid, right? In your physical space. And it's really, it's very fascinating. Can you tell us a little bit more about the course that's gonna be starting?

• 44:30Speaker 03

  I'm so excited about it, because I don't know of any other medium that's teaching this. It's all new information to me and I love to share it and it works. And it's about training your nervous system. It's about tuning this instrument. The course is gonna be preceded by an event that's gonna be available to everybody online and with the Shift Network. And that one is going to be about noticing how your nervous system feeds you information from the field. And you did it. That's what I was so excited about. I'm gonna be doing, leading an exercise about noticing the first thing that arises. And you saw that Powerball thing, whatever it was. And you knew what it was. So it's training your nervous system, and I'll give everybody the personal experience, to actually notice these things.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  And that's the difference between intuition and just your own thinking. It just arises. And it's, so it's catching the first signal. And it's not a signal that's necessarily transmitted by someone else, but it's what lights up in your own field. And then you train yourself over and over. So, well, everybody will have that experience. And if you feel drawn to study with me for seven weeks, I'm gonna be teaching people all the different ways that spirit shows up, how to become this coherent field, how to get rid of the static and the fear and use that for your own personal connections with loved ones. And some people will be drawn to actually work as mediums.

• 45:54Mayim Bialik?

  It's incredible. And the course is called, "Tuning Your Instrument for Evidential Mediumship. Train Your Nervous System to Receive, Recognize, and Trust Spirit Communication." It starts in a few weeks, December 3, on the Shift Network. And we have, we have a unique link that we're gonna post so that people can sign up. And, you know, this episode, I think, has been a wonderful example of seeing the way you frame things, the way you teach. And yeah, we're just, we're so honored to get to be a part of your life in this way and to get to have you in person. So thank you so much for being here.

• 46:27Speaker 03

  It's just a joy to share this. I hope you can feel my excitement. It's genuine, because it's constantly unfolding and dynamic. And I get to go home and work on numbers and dates and who knows what.

• 46:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's fun. Thank you.

• 46:40Mayim Bialik?

  Thank you.

• 46:44Jonathan Cohen?

  Just after we cut the mic, we were talking to her about something that we spoke about with Thomas Campbell. And it's an idea that people can have energies attached to them that influence them in a way that makes them, their perception change. It makes them act differently than they normally would act. It can even have health implications. And her approach was a little bit like Thomas Campbell, but, but different in a way.

• 47:14Mayim Bialik?

  We were asking her, "Is having dark energy attached to you a thing?" Right? Sometimes people will do a reading or, you know, have a feeling or an intuition, like, "Oh, you're sick. It must be a dark entity that's attached itself to you and it needs to leave." I once had someone be like, "There's an old man, I think, is like a great uncle, and I see him with a briefcase," like, real specific. "And he's trying to co-opt your energy." So we were talking to Suzanne about, like, "Is this a thing?" And she talked about, and we wished we had been recording, but she talked about getting really quiet and understanding that, like, the language that we put around these things can be highly variable. Some people might call it dark energy or a dark spirit.

• 47:57Mayim Bialik?

  She said that we do have the ability to get really quiet and ask that whoever or whatever in the universe can remove something that doesn't serve us, that they remove it. And she said it can be that simple.

• 48:10Jonathan Cohen?

  She described that after a reading, she was influenced by something and that days later, she didn't recognize that the entity that she had connected with was still around her.

• 48:23Mayim Bialik?

  She said she wasn't acting like herself. She said she was very grumpy. I'm grumpy a lot. Maybe there is an entity. But she said she was aware that something wasn't right. And it was, in her experience, it was someone from a reading that had stayed with her, a spirit.

• 48:39Jonathan Cohen?

  Whatever you wanna call it, I think about the fact that we each have a core element, aspect of ourselves that sometimes we can drift away from. It could be an increased amount of fear. It could be too much busyness. It can be we forget how to play or laugh or whatever it might be. And we then end up, you know, like the frog in boiling water, where we just move more and more towards those coping mechanisms. And so how do we come back and recognize, "Wait a second, there is some other version of ourselves"?

• 49:06Mayim Bialik?

  And please make sure to check out Suzanne's seven-week course. I think this is really incredible that she's offering this. Starts December 3 on the Shift Network. We're gonna have a signup link in the show notes. Tuning Your Instrument for Evidential Mediumship. Train Your Nervous System to Receive, Recognize, and Trust Spirit Communication. And from our breakdown to the one we hope you never have, we'll see you next time.