Substack Exclusive: Making the Paranormal Normal | Mystic Michaela

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• 0:03Mayim Bialik?

  Hi, I'm Mayim Bialik.

• 0:04Jonathan Cohen?

  And I'm Jonathan Cohen.

• 0:06Mayim Bialik?

  And welcome to our Breakdown. Today, we're sharing something very special that was previously only available over on Substack. It's a conversation with Mystic Michaela, who we've spoken to before. This was available on Jonathan's Practical Spirituality page. Mystic Michaela has recently released the Encyclopedia of Energy Healing, an A to Z guide to spiritual elements and how to use them. And this conversation covers everything from can you connect to someone's energy when they aren't in the room to what does Jonathan's aura reveal?

• 0:39Jonathan Cohen?

  We did a deep dive. It was such a fun conversation. Mystic Michaela and I also talk about negative entities, clearing negative entities, and how to use a pendulum and form your own intuition.

• 0:51Mayim Bialik?

  This is a really great conversation, and we're so excited to share it with you. Also, if you want in on more conversations like this that we're having with the Mayim Bialik's Breakdown community, sometimes with surprise guests, find them over on Substack. Jonathan's page is Practical Spirituality, and we are Mayim Bialik's Breakdown on Substack.

• 1:07Jonathan Cohen?

  And now enjoy this conversation with Mystic Michaela.

• 1:13Speaker 02

  Thank you so much for having me, Jonathan. This is such a treat. I'm so excited to be here today.

• 1:18Jonathan Cohen?

  We first connected, I think it was like almost four years ago, when you came on the main podcast and we titled an episode, "Are Aura's Real? Or Do You Know Your Aura?" And if I look back, we weren't doing this type of content back then. I don't know what happened or how we ended up pulling you in. I forget the origin story, but that episode struck a chord with people. And all of a sudden, we were talking about things that were energetic, mystical, extrasensory, and you were one of the first guests to do it and introduce that to our audience.

• 1:57Speaker 02

  I love that. I love it. You know, making the paranormal somewhat normal. I remember at the end of that episode, being like, whoa, they asked questions I've never been asked before, which was so cool, so deep diving. And I was just on the Tamron Hall show not that long ago, and they were showing clips from that podcast on the show. Like, people really loved that episode, like with you guys and how you were asking me questions. And she was, Tamron Hall was asking me about, oh, it's Jonathan Mayim's colors, like how, you know, how you guys work. And it was really, it was fun. So I love how when things live a little longer, to greet a few more people. I think that that's cool.

• 2:36Jonathan Cohen?

  Your background is as a fourth-generation psychic medium specializing in auras. Can you tell people a little bit about your background? Because when I found out about how you grew up, I was just kind of blown away because you just grew up in a very different environment than most people either have or even know people who have, right? A lot of people come to these experiences either later in life. What was it like for you growing up? Can you tell us a little bit about the people around you and sort of how this was a part of your life and your family?

• 3:09Speaker 02

  I grew up Buffalo, New York, a very strict Catholic family. But there was this secret, right? Like, and the secret was there is this extrasensory ability that a lot of people in the family had. And it was something that we talked about, you know, within the family, but not really outside of the family, because again, very Catholic. So I grew up very strict religious upbringing, but with this little caveat, like, well, we just don't talk about that. But yes, of course, it's true. So I grew up talking about dead people on the other side visiting you. This is normal. This is, you know, they're just people who have something to say. Energy around you, what can affect you, what you can take in

• 3:53Speaker 02

  that can make you sick, what can, what, what energy can do to you just as, oh, this was logical conversations growing up. And, and how to trust your instincts about people, too. You know, if you feel something, it means something. And, and so all this was just part of my upbringing. My mom did readings, my, her brother did readings, my grandmother was a psychic, and it was just something that was very normal. But honestly, I didn't want any part of it. I believed it. I just didn't want to be seen because I'm very sensitive and feeling the judgment. And then also growing up with like, shh, don't tell anybody, everybody will hate you. No, you won't be accepted into community and whatnot. So that, that, I think that really did stick with me. So I actually went, I got my bachelor's and

• 4:38Speaker 02

  master's in, in Spanish education. I was teaching middle school children Spanish for years. And I'm gonna, I love teaching, but I was using, that's when it all connected because I see, my main thing that I do is I see colors, life force energies around people in color. Okay, I just see them. And so when I was teaching kids, I was like, hey, wait a second, this is finally making sense into a practical use of this ability. I always just kind of used it to judge character or, you know, have relationships with people or communicate better for myself. But now I'm looking, I'm like, oh, my gosh, purple kids, you know, they need to learn the language by doing a theater reenactment of, you know,

• 5:22Speaker 02

  in the restaurant. Or yellow aura kids, they really benefit from grammar or instruction. So, and then I was arranging my seating arrangements, you know, with, with aura colors and whatnot. So I was using it, but then what happens is it gets bigger, right? And you start feeling in a box because I loved using it for differentiating education. I absolutely loved using it for that, but it was more than that because the parents would come in and all of a sudden I feel drawn to tell them like, oh, you're treating your blue kid like he's a red. You know, he's not Mr. Sports. That's not going to happen for him. And that's not a problem

• 6:03Speaker 02

  he has. It's a problem you have about him. This isn't you thing. So I was feeling all that, and I couldn't say it because that's not, that's not the context to do that, obviously.

• 6:14Jonathan Cohen?

  It's not the role of the Spanish teacher.

• 6:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. Can you imagine? Senora crazy? Like, that's what I would have looked like. And so I was like, forget that. Um, I took, and it was hard. You know, it was kind of like a bumper couple of years for me after that, where I was like, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do with this. And I kind of centered back to my family, where this is normal. This is not something that has to be squashed. This is something I can be authentic about and own it. And this is something that I can be out about and, and help people find their own way through the contexts I can provide for them.

• 6:58Speaker 02

  So it's like teaching still, but with spirituality instead.

• 7:05Jonathan Cohen?

  It feels like the teenager is going to rebel against what the family does, right? If the family is a bunch of lawyers, you're going to be an artist. If the family is a bunch of psychics, you're going to go in the opposite direction.

• 7:17Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 7:18Jonathan Cohen?

  But then life grew you into an environment where you basically got to test this. And you got to see, wait a second, it's not going anywhere. It's part of who you are. And then the journey of coming out of the quote unquote spiritual closet into a public forum. How old were you when you stepped sort of out and re-embraced this aspect of yourself?

• 7:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, I want to say that was around 31 or 32.

• 7:46Jonathan Cohen?

  It's also the right age, right? Like, I think people who are too young and are trying to, like, it's hard, right? It's hard to hold the criticism because still back then, the conversation's different now, right? You can build micro-community in a way that you couldn't before. Back then, you're still in the mainstream world and people are going to cast their criticism and their judgment. And I think it's challenging for anyone at any age, but especially when you're younger.

• 8:14Speaker 02

  A hundred percent. It's gotten much easier as I've gotten older. And, and you know, you just feel more confident in yourself. I think that's a big part of it. Also, when I started really doing this, it was around 2013. So there's, the social media world isn't as big as it is now, obviously. And community is more kind of who you see. So the branching out was a challenge, I guess, at first. But, you know, it's interesting because my mom, who is a psychic, and my uncle, who is too, they would do their own kind of ways locally of creating community. And so it's just, it's interesting how it will find a way in different contexts. But you're absolutely right. Being older, you

• 8:56Speaker 02

  know, and I see this a lot with a lot of people, actually, 30, 31, 32. It's some sort of like awakening. It's some sort of, I don't know if it has to do with like Saturn return or something like that. All of a sudden, you're just like, oh, wait a second. And for a lot of us, even if you're not practicing spirituality or something in kind of an outward context, even in your own life, I feel like that's when it really amplifies. So there's something with the voice of self that can now speak for the higher self or the soul self, which I think is relevant.

• 9:27Jonathan Cohen?

  I have a hard time with like things drastically changing because I like an equilibrium, right? I like adventure. I like novelty, but I like an equilibrium. And so when things really get disrupted, what I try to remind myself is there may have been things that weren't working that I didn't even realize. Like, we got acclimatized to them. We got accustomed to them. If you really overhaul something, you may come out the other side recognizing, oh, wait a second, that was really uncomfortable and I didn't realize how uncomfortable it was. It was preventing me from something else.

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• 14:05Speaker 02

  Isn't that amazing, how we can, we can look back and, and see that kind of insight? It kind of makes me sometimes nervous, like, what am I, what am I clinging on to right now that I really shouldn't be? Like, what should I let go? It's all that stuck energy that I feel like our ego selves love comfort. And, and it's a beautiful part. We have, you know, I get it. It's, it's, I think it's a part that we should all honor about ourselves. The ego self loves comfort. It wants to keep you safe, you know, but it does that by preventing growth in a lot of ways. And, and so it's, it's really stressful when it does shake it up because, but then you're right, you see what a roadblock it was.

• 14:46Jonathan Cohen?

  So, you have written a new book, which I have, and it's a beautiful book, and I want to talk about it because it says A to Z Guide to Spiritual Elements and How to Use Them, because it can be overwhelming, right? It's like, well, do I use herbs and aromatherapy, or do I want about crystals? And then there are even other things, and I have so many things earmarked here, numerology, dream interpretation, aura readings. This is a deep dive, and also it's beautifully printed. So, first of all, congratulations on that. But before we get into specifics of all my dog-eared pages, let's go woo for a minute, because you're the person to do it with. What is my aura looking like right now?

• 15:31Jonathan Cohen?

  I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I think you see it anyway.

• 15:35Speaker 02

  I absolutely love it. Yeah, I see it where it's always him anyhow. All right, so, looking at you, so you're normally, I always see green and indigo around you. Right now, it's a lot of indigo. So what does that mean? And when I see indigo around somebody, it is emotionally psychic, like emotionally absorbent. But you're green, too, which is an ability, I sometimes call it the engineer mind, so an ability to take a step back and see the system of that. It's a, these are very opposing energies. It's kind of like the ability to see something from an eagle-eye view and the ground view at the same time. And it can be, it's like an amazing broad perspective, but it can, like what you said,

• 16:17Speaker 02

  keep you stuck, because it's very much, oh gosh, you see both extreme ends of everything at the same time. But right now, your indigo's very indigo. So, and it's, it's kind of overwhelming.

• 16:30Jonathan Cohen?

  Which is the bird's eye view? The, the green or the blue? The green is the up and the emotional and, and interesting.

• 16:37Speaker 02

  And so with indigo, it's like feeling other people's feelings as your own. And then it can be very hard to separate what you want from what others want from you, because they can feel like the exact same motivation. That is probably the hardest part about being an indigo, understanding, did I do that for me, or did I do that because I knew it was expected of me? It can feel the exact same thing until you really take time in life and focus on it, which I feel like you have. But you're very indigo right now, because, and it's very normal for auras to kind of switch balancing based on what's going on. I feel like right now, just in your head a lot, and then just doing that processing

• 17:18Speaker 02

  where it's, okay, these are my feelings, hang on, I'm not trying to squash them, I'm not trying to change them, I'm not trying to organize them, I'm just trying to live them, and study and reflect and see what they are, which I think is the best. But you're, you're a prime example of indigo, I don't know, pat on the back I'm giving you, because like, I feel like with you, you have this ability to sit with it and not try to put it in a box, or fix it, or solve it. It's just kind of like, let's just be. I'll say with indigos like you, whatever is percolating right now, sometimes it's like, write down how you feel, and then I say like, indigos need five to seven business days to make a decision about.

• 18:02Jonathan Cohen?

  You're like, how I feel right now is not how I'm gonna feel five to seven business days from now. It's just not.

• 18:09Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 18:10Jonathan Cohen?

  Sometimes I will forget how I felt right now. I, I, I literally, I'll be like, what were we, we were, oh yeah, that was really bothering me, but like, I, it will take me like a while to even remember that that was a thing. I just like totally forget.

• 18:24Speaker 02

  That is so indigo. It's just like, and then you look back, and you're like, oh man, you know, Thursday was a day, and then all of a sudden, it's Monday, and you're like, ah, I'm good. You know, I got my game plan, I had my clarity. And then that's like the green kicked in and the indigo calmed down. But you let yourself process it, and you let yourself take what you needed. These are skills that are age, self-awareness, you know, reflection, all like life-lived experiences, all these things really help the indigo. And then, the other thing with you, just the way your indigo is, it's kind of stormy right now. So I have a feeling that every once in a while, whatever you're going through feels like it happens every once in a while. So, and then you're like, man, like, why didn't I deal with it that day?

• 19:09Speaker 02

  Like, I felt like this before, you know? And, and this comes up, and you know, and it doesn't come up often, but when it does, I'm so mad at my past self for not, you know what I mean? Like, because I feel like, you can kind of, it's like jumping into the same weather, and, and being like, ah, why did I do this? But it, it subsides. So, it's kind of a recycled event, it feels like. You're indigo right now, but it's a good day to have a some stack life, because you're feeling the feels. So I think that's good.

• 19:38Jonathan Cohen?

  It's so crazy, because, as I mentioned, yesterday was like a frickin' day especially, and I came into today still being like, you know, grinding the gears a little bit. And I'm like, okay, but I get to talk to you, I get to just be here, I get to chat about things I love chatting about with an amazing community, okay? And what's fascinating is that, like, I wondered yesterday, while I was in such emotion, I was also like flipping between, okay, I'm gonna look at the system on how I got here, and what am I gonna change in order to prevent this? And I'm gonna not do this, and that, and then I'm back into my, I'm switching back and forth. As like a creative, I'm always, you know, I'm running and I'm producing as well as in the detail.

• 20:18Jonathan Cohen?

  So like, I'll go hyper-focused, which is like very indigo, very emotional, how is this gonna feel? And then back up to the system of how we got there. And so I always feel like I'm going like this, and so to have that reflected externally in a color system that you can see, imagine that, though, right? Like, just if everyone thinks for a second that their internal world could be mirror reflected, and it's just like as plain as day to someone who can see it, you're, we're not hiding, right? Like, we're all these mirrored systems that like have a frequency that is seen, and even if people don't have your ability to see it clearly like a sign, they're sensing it

• 21:03Jonathan Cohen?

  and bumping up to it. I say this just because it's like, you can pretend that it doesn't exist, but everyone's interacting with it.

• 21:11Speaker 02

  Hundred percent like I just happen to see life force energies in color. That's all. Everybody feels life force energies and every single life force energy has a vibrational frequency because I was a teacher. I've walked it back to kind of a personification, the language of sorts, you know, that I've been trying to just allow people to utilize, to understand their own authentic ways that they view the world. There's no wrong way to do something. There's no right way to do something. There's just your authentic way to do something. But yes, we are constantly bumping up different, different vibrational frequencies,

• 21:54Speaker 02

  um, how they're seeing things. It's different how you are seeing things. It really, I feel like assists with miscommunication. I hear all the time, a lot of parent children's stuff like, oh, I understand my mom so much better now.

• 22:06Jonathan Cohen?

  Because she has these tendencies, right?

• 22:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, she has these tendencies. And then all of a sudden it's like, okay, it's annoying, but now I get that. That's how she has a relationship with the world.

• 22:16Jonathan Cohen?

  She's not doing this to me. She's just being, right? Like, how much of people's being this do we take as something they're doing to us?

• 22:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then maybe that mom, this is like that mom, I'll just, I'm gonna throw yellows under the bus. Maybe yellow mom asks a ton of questions all the time. She's always like, and this, and this, and this, and this, and did you do this? And did you do this? And did you do this? And what about this? And what about this? And what about this? And then it really bothers you and you're like, oh, my gosh. And then you internalize it as an inner critic, like, oh, you know. And then now anybody else who's yellow with the world, one, you're probably comfortable with, and two, probably triggered by it at the same time. And if you can walk it back and you're like, oh, that's just that vibrational frequency that Mr. Michaela calls yellow, but I feel it as analytically intense, you know, or curious to a fault like that. Like, okay, I got it, you know?

• 23:09Jonathan Cohen?

  Curious to a fault. That's a nice way.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  Now I don't personalize it. And now it's just kind of cute and funny to me. Like, you know, it kind of makes, takes the power away a little.

• 23:19Jonathan Cohen?

  Do you remember what color my mom was?

• 23:22Speaker 02

  Yes. So you guys are interesting because you guys are the same colors, but opposite in balance. So you, you guys have a yin yang thing kind of going on. She's more green.

• 23:30Jonathan Cohen?

  But she's so emotional. Our green's so emotional.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, like I, the way I see her is, and we talked about this on the podcast too. She, to me, starts very green, like very focused, very like laser specific, very like.

• 23:50Jonathan Cohen?

  Very specific, yeah.

• 23:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, like talking to my, um, because that was my first time ever speaking with her ever. It's like she honed in on me, um, with.

• 24:00Jonathan Cohen?

  And then she's gonna dissect you in a little bit and how does this work? Yeah.

• 24:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:04Jonathan Cohen?

  What's the mechanism and what part of your brain is opening for you to see this stuff?

• 24:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was like under a microscope. It wasn't unpleasant, but it was, it was very like, oh, okay. And she's.

• 24:15Jonathan Cohen?

  But you did have to reattach your brain once you were finished. Yeah.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  I'm like, okay. Now, talking to Jonathan, you see me too, you know, like I, and I feel like your, your community feels you seeing them too, but it's, it's, it's kind of being seen in a more of a feely way, like kind of emotional or what are you, are you doing today? Or it's more, it's like a softer kind of, and not, and not one's better than the other. It's just a different type of way that you see people. So kind of enter. And this is probably why you're, you have such an awesome little community over here on the stack because people feel comfortable here and people feel safe and people feel heard. And you're green too, and I'll give this to greens.

• 25:01Speaker 02

  Conversations are welcome without, and people won't get so emotional about it, if that makes sense. So you have a great combo for, well, let's talk. You don't have to agree with it or disagree with it. Let's just talk, you know, like that. And it's a safe place for people to, um, explore things that otherwise they might be nervous to say out loud. So, so I like that about how you do things here.

• 25:24Jonathan Cohen?

  Is there a best match that you've seen works the best? Or is it always sort of different combinations are gonna fit together differently?

• 25:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, it really does depend. I feel like on, like so many, there's outside factors too, right? Like programming and how you were raised and stuff like that.

• 25:42Jonathan Cohen?

  Of course.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I feel like it's very, um, I don't usually see a lot of similar aura colors in relationships. I think that, I think it's.

• 25:50Jonathan Cohen?

  There needs to be a balance.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  Usually, yeah, but I think you guys balance it in a different way. I think it's just because you guys could like, usually like similar aura combos can be so similar that sometimes if you're both green at the same time, it's like boom. Or if you're both indigo, it's like, ah, you know, like that. So it can be a little bit, oh, yeah. But it, it really does depend.

• 26:12Jonathan Cohen?

  One of the most common questions people have is about intuition and processing information that may not be obvious, that they either didn't grow up with, they're starting to get intuitive signals, or they're starting to see synchronicity and they're saying, what is it trying to tell me? How do I navigate it? Or they're starting to meditate and even they may connect with a guide. Can we start with the person who wants more intuition but isn't getting it? And then talk about the person who may be getting a ton of intuitive stuff and can't sort through it? What advice do you have for them?

• 26:48Speaker 02

  All right. So if you want to get more intuitive and you feel like you're not, my advice is you are. You just think you have to do it in a different way than you already operate. So I see people, for example, who have a more logical brain, uh, and that's how they operate. They think that, oh, I'm not, I'm not, you know, like in a flowy dress on a hill, receiving spirit guide visitations, you know, and I'm floating up with unicorns. You know, it's like, they, they think that's how it works and no, you're getting your intuition through your own gut feelings, through how you interpret the world and through being real with yourself.

• 27:28Speaker 02

  I think the biggest problem is ego voice versus intuitive voice. And I always say ego voice is not the first voice, but it is the loudest voice. And intuitive voice is the first voice, but it's quiet. That's kind of my guideline for everybody. Now let's say, what was your other one? You're very intuitive.

• 27:49Jonathan Cohen?

  Well, ju- just before we get there, um, I would just want to reflect that I love that it's not, you're not intuitive. You just may be getting signs in a way that you don't expect as intuitive signs. I just started doing some one-on-one, opening up some one-on-one intuitive coaching sessions with this community, which I've been just blown away by. And I was working with someone, a technologist, super engineer brain. And he was expressing that in business, he was always at the right spot at the right time. He knew exactly the next step to take. And I was like, that's totally clear intuition. And I was like, well, how did it come to you? Well, and he explained, it came by knowing exactly what not to do.

• 28:32Jonathan Cohen?

  The process of elimination made everything super clear. Like that was an obvious next step because everything else was like, we wouldn't do that. And you wouldn't think that, that is intuition, but it's a very strong felt sense.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  I'm glad you brought that up because I'll tell people, so they'll, or they'll try to use their intuitive voice in places they're not comfortable using it, but maybe start paying attention to where you are comfortable using it, like in business or like, let's say you're a nurse and you know which patient's gonna give you the hard time before they, the second you walk in, how do you know that? You know, right there, that is your intuition. Now go use that when you're dating, like that kind of a thing. So it's a little bit like, oh, I am being intuitive. Oh, I do know what I'm doing. Holy cow, like this is a gift. I just only am comfortable using it like, like, yes, in like a work context or somewhere where they're, um, it's less focused.

• 29:26Speaker 02

  Or, or sometimes if you want it in a place really bad, it's harder to use your intuition there. Um, but I love, I thank you for bringing that up because that is a good intuitive kind of tutorial for people.

• 29:40Jonathan Cohen?

  I even started using it for myself. I'm like, okay, if I have all these options in front of me, instead of feeling, what am I totally drawn towards? Because I feel like, you know, again, the white dress on a hill scenario. We have this vision of what intuition is supposed to be. My heart is supposed to open and I'm supposed to flow towards it, just gently gliding across the ground without my feet even touching. And all of a sudden I'm like basking in light. It may be that there are four choices in front of me, three of them or two of them are hard-nosed. One of them is like a little sticky and the other one is like a little unsure, but more open. That more open maybe that's the next step and more information is gonna be revealed.

• 30:23Jonathan Cohen?

  And you don't know everything yet, but the others are definitely not. That's intuition. This actually happened before where I've made a decision and this is actually connected back to the five to seven business days. I've made a decision that I thought was intuition. And I was like, oh, great. And then a day later, I feel totally stuck and limited. I'm like, oh, I just felt back because that was the thing that I, my brain could imagine. It couldn't imagine anything beyond that. And actually, it's gonna be really bad.

• 30:53Speaker 02

  The fact that you can recover from it and then learn, and now you have that amazing tool for next time. It's definitely a trial and error. The more you know yourself and the more you sit with like experiences where you're like, oof, that was me just in my comfort zone, you know? That was an emotional decision. That wasn't intuitive. Like, the more you sit with yourself and I'm like, just like own it, the next time it's like, oh, there it is. That's so, it's so clear, the, the more you do it.

• 31:20Jonathan Cohen?

  Time and space that we want decisions to become clear to us in our time, in our, like, we're like, I just need to get this done off my list. So I'm gonna make a choice and I don't have all the info, but I'm just gonna, I'm gonna use my intuition and that's gonna be the thing. And sometimes that's great because you can sort of almost put a placeholder. I think a bit of it is like, as long as you're not signing the $100,000 check over, like, if you can just in your mind say, this is the thing I'm gonna do, but then allow that time to pass so that you can be like, is that still the thing that feels resonant or not? Because time, over time, you know, the energy shifts, our relationship, another part of ourselves may come online

• 32:01Jonathan Cohen?

  and actually say, I hear that that's what you felt in the moment, but there actually could be something else.

• 32:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, a lot of talking to yourself. I love that. I feel like, I feel like that's the main thing. Know yourself and then have those conversations with yourself. Sometimes I do like future me, that's another thing I'll do. Like, is future me okay with this decision? What does future me say about this? If I was talking to myself like my child, you know, okay, if I'm my mother, what do I say to myself? So sometimes I try to take myself out of it too. Um, because usually we're so good at helping other people, but we can get stuck in ourselves. So taking yourself out of it a bit can help. But, but yeah, ego's the loudest voice, not the first voice. That's kind of my go-to.

• 32:49Jonathan Cohen?

  What about people who are getting a ton of information or overwhelmed and can't quite understand? You've spoken about seeing numbers and patterns of numbers. What if people are like, oh, there's a 222 and there's this and there's that? And what does it mean? And like, just feeling overwhelmed?

• 33:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it can be like an overload too. And then sometimes you can get almost inundated with it where I saw 222 like 40 times. What does that mean? What does it mean? What, you know, like that? And it's, okay, so if you're getting a ton of signs, you can also, and intuitive thoughts, I always like separate them. So, oh, I love, I love numerology, by the way, like, and signs are totally a thing. I feel like with signs, it's kind of, sometimes they don't mean what you think they mean. Sometimes it could mean someone's just like, hey, I'm here, you know? Or we're supporting you, or you're tapping into a frequency, but you will get so stuck on, that must mean I am gonna get the job or I'm not gonna get the job.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  Or, you know, we, we kind of try to assign something a little bit too hyper as to, to, to a desired result, which can make us overwhelmed. So if you're getting a lot of signs, my, my advice is take a beat. Ask yourself, is this my higher self? You know, so that's like your soul self, your eternal you. Is this any of these angels, you know, or your spirit guys or your spirit team? Is this someone on the other side talking to me? Is it, is it a loved one who's passed? Because those all, those three things all feel different. They have subtleties. You can always ask for clarification. You know, you can say, I need clarification, what this means. I need clarification, who is speaking to me?

• 34:30Speaker 02

  I need clarification, where this information's coming from? And just like kind of take a step back and know that that clarification will come without you having to be so hyper looking for it as well. Because I, I've been like that. I feel like a lot of people who are naturally psychic, intuitive, absorbent, I'm sure you can relate, like, it's, it just, it comes at you and then it can make you anxious.

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• 36:33Jonathan Cohen?

  This is the most extreme is you can get into a spiritual, like a spiritual psychosis where you're like, what's happening in this? And there's this energy and that person's pulling me and I feel drawn and I'm hearing that person's, what they need. And you're like, okay, I need to know how to contain myself, how to know what's relevant. We all have blinders on, which prevent us from accessing all of the information in the world. And as those blinders loosen a little bit, we can have really amazing, helpful information. But like, we have to know how to protect ourselves.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  Yes, ground ourselves.

• 37:09Jonathan Cohen?

  Ground ourselves.

• 37:10Speaker 02

  Be present, be still and clear the mechanism of it. Yeah, I think that's a good one too. I'm clearing the mechanism. And then sometimes I notice with really intuitive people, they'll go through times where there's so much, so much, so much, and then it feels like nothing. I always say like, that's when you're supposed to really listen to yourself. You know, if you feel like, I used to see all these signs and now I'm getting no signs. Um, or I used to feel my grandma and now I'm not feeling her. Well, then it's kind of time to, to maybe go inside, listen to yourself and get familiar with you and your voice. It's a good time when it's calm to do that.

• 37:46Jonathan Cohen?

  Doesn't have to be signs, a bombardment of signs all the time. You don't need to keep that pace to still have a connection to spirit or your intuition. Let's open our books, everybody.

• 38:00Jonathan Cohen?

  The first page that I have earmarked is dream interpretation and dream journals. You have a description, you have a history and lore and uses. Can you tell us a little bit about your experience with dreams, interpreting dreams? Do you get intuitive information through dreams? Help us know what people should be thinking about.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  If you're a lucky one that dreams, not everybody remembers their dreams. But if you remember your dreams, I've noticed that, and like a really good thing to do is to, I mean, a lot of this is, we've heard this before, okay? And there's different types of dreams. There's like big symbolism ones and, and a lot of times you can sit there and you can wake up. And I often say, you don't even have to have a, if a journal's your thing, jot it down. Bear chasing me. Or it's maybe you just grab your voice memo and you're like, bear was chasing me. I was in a cabin on a hill, it was raining. Like, try to get as many details as you can out. Because kind of going back to that, you may notice just with symbolically, oh, wow. You know what?

• 39:04Speaker 02

  That conversation with my coworker bothered me a lot more than I thought it did. And all of a sudden, you're like, what? That actually really stuck with me. That conversation might not have meant anything in the scheme of things, but the reaction I had is subconscious and it needs to be examined. So it's kind of like little puzzle pieces. I feel like having dream reflection, dream journals, dream recordings can, can help you with. Because a lot of this is related, you know? I, I always say I have my foot on the ground, you know? I love therapy, I love doctors, I love all that 100%. But I feel like we have to do some of the work ourselves.

• 39:46Speaker 02

  And, and this to me, it sounds woo-woo, but it's really just looking at what's going on in your subconscious and your subliminal and how it can help you kind of take charge of your energy, your subconscious and merge the two together. So we're not hiding from ourselves, which is a big part of when you're feeling disconnected or isolated. And that helps you connect with yourself.

• 40:09Jonathan Cohen?

  I've noticed, and, and we've had other guests talk about this, is that when you're priming the pump by either having the journal beside your bed to give yourself the opportunity to capture your dreams or you're in the practice, when you're setting the intention, wait a second, whatever comes, I want to be available for it, like intuition, where you say, I'm gonna build this relationship, it shows up more and more.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, you, you kind of dog ear it. The next time you have a dream, you're like, ooh, that's important.

• 40:39Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 40:39Speaker 02

  And you get better at it, yes.

• 40:41Jonathan Cohen?

  This is not dog-eared, but I have ESP here as the next one after dreams. Um, extrasensory perception, is that all intuitive information for you? Tell us a little bit about how you understand extrasensory. Is it communicating with the dead? Is it? Feeling like, what does it encapsulate?

• 41:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I feel like in, in the book, you know, I wanted to kind of write it so everybody could take it and then go their own direction with it, obviously, because it's gonna be a little bit different. Depending on how you work as a person and whatnot. I feel like with ESP, your extra sensory perception, it's like we were talking about before, the frequencies people give off. And how to connect with frequencies that aren't necessarily in front of you. Maybe connecting with frequencies from somebody who is in a different state. You know, people who are not in communication with you anymore. People who have even passed or, or even different timelines. And that's when you get real, real woo woo.

• 41:47Jonathan Cohen?

  You know, when I first learned how to do distance energy, what was it? It was in your mind's eye, connecting with that person and the notion of time and space existing eliminates. And so I actually started doing this in a very tangible way with, I had a very old dog. And I would sit in the next room and I would connect with the dog. And I'd be like, oh, my gosh, I could, and then I was using myself as a reflection or a mirror. Where I would feel and physically, oh, I would feel physically different in my body when I would connect with her. And then I would sort of poke my head around the corner and she was often sleeping. And as I would connect with her, her little legs would start to shake. And so she would do some sort of processing.

• 42:29Jonathan Cohen?

  And so I would do this twice, three times a day sometimes. And it was this unbelievable proof to me that as I went into that space and connected with her, I got this tangible result, right? Because sometimes we're like, are we making it up? And my answer is no and yes. You're using your mind in an imaginative state to then try and connect. But that connection is very real as you tap into whatever frequency you're tapping into.

• 43:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. Wow. Because you do distance healing, right?

• 43:05Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah, well, I started learning then. I started learning when I was 18 and 19. Talking about isolation, like this was a long time ago, before 2000. And no one was talking about this. And I grew up in a very conservative world. And everyone at high school kids were not thinking about sending distance Reiki to a dog and having their legs twitch.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  You sound like you'd be my best friend in high school. Like, oh, I like Jonathan.

• 43:42Jonathan Cohen?

  People were like, my arm hurts. I'm like, I, can I try? They're like, what are you talking about? Yeah, you're like, no, no, dude, this isn't gonna, so I had to compartmentalize quite a bit. But it starts to open our minds, having that tangible example. Well, let's say there's a rift with someone who, things haven't gone well, for whatever reason. You may be in, and there's unresolved issues. Can you, with permission, asking their higher self, if it's okay, can I send an energy of apology and start to make amends in a way that may translate? Right? Part of them may hear that and soften a little bit and that misunderstanding may be able to shift.

• 44:25Jonathan Cohen?

  What other ways can we, can we do that? How do you, how do you think about it in terms of multiple timelines?

• 44:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I love what you're saying about like closure with people or connecting, giving a closure in higher self. And, and it's interesting to see when you do that, if they kind of pop back in like, oh, I was thinking about you. Because it's, it's a very, you know, that's kind of like the tangible proof. But timelines, I feel like there is, and I see this a lot with people who are deep diving in their family history or their family trees or family ancestral trauma. Family just secrets. And all of a sudden, you're in, you know, you're in the genealogy. You're doing family tree, you're on ancestry or whatever.

• 45:13Speaker 02

  And you're starting to feel the personalities of people you've never met before. And you're starting to get, I don't know, you get these little thoughts, but they're not quite your thoughts. You know, so you're connecting with people from different timelines. You're connecting with people, like almost frequencies, not just from them on the other side speaking to you, but frequencies from when they were alive. And from when they were having their own parallels in life to what you're picking up on. That haven't, nothing really ever goes away, you know? Or even frequencies from your own past. So I feel like you can, you can even send your energy back to your own past and, and see different perspectives of that time.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  And like, maybe when you were six, and you're like, oh, my gosh, I'm seeing a whole different perspective all of that timeline. And, and it's something that can provide a lot of insight and reflection and closure and perspective.

• 46:07Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm like jumping in because I actually, I'm not sure if it's clear just how profound and expansive what you're talking about is, because it's so huge, right? The first point is nothing ever goes away. So if you imagine that, then all of the parts of ourselves, where whatever age we were, still exist in some format and that resonance is impacting us. That's a parallel idea to the needing to reparent or reconnect with the childlike parts of myself who may be injured. So if you think about your emotional experience timeline, and sometimes there's a therapeutic exercise that says,

• 46:47Jonathan Cohen?

  plot your life from zero to now and mark the most poignant emotional memories, good or bad. While those exist still now and have a resonance on you, what would it be like for you to go revisit that? Go back into that timeline as your adult best, most grounded, integrated self and revisit that? What would that look like? So that's like a huge endeavor right there, just to think about those patterns influencing how we react right now. How we, our intuition is guided. If you think about your family timeline and what you said, which I experienced through constellation groups, which was like wild, was that those dynamics for people we may never have met,

• 47:33Jonathan Cohen?

  we can be playing out now in a way that reflects the energy that has been passed down.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  That's like terrifying and also liberating. Like it's kind of, you know, it's both, which I, I love that feeling.

• 47:51Jonathan Cohen?

  I think it's liberating because it means that it's not all random, right? It's just like, actually, these things, there was, there was a map. And the map has just been transformed and it's weathered a little bit. But like, we're actually kind of all on this path that feels somewhat designed. But we don't realize the design because we haven't felt into it. And the design is kind of, you know, hidden from us, but it can be revealed.

• 48:21Speaker 02

  It's a comfort in a way, if you're okay with a surrender, being present until living in the in-between. I like how you said it's like a weathered map. It could change. There could be little vacillations here and there, a little topography variations. But you are headed towards some key points. And it's kind of like, you know, just let it go and, and then you'll get there. But I feel like you can visit those future timelines. There's, it's interesting because even in my own life, there are certain things I know that will happen. They're very mundane and I try to cling to them as almost like buoys in an ocean. Okay, that, we just got to get to there. It doesn't matter how you get there.

• 49:03Speaker 02

  And, and the path is really up to you, just like on water, you know, the path is up to you. But we're headed in that direction. But that's, that's interesting because you can connect to those moments, even though they haven't happened yet. Like a closed loop kind of situation. That's interesting.

• 49:17Jonathan Cohen?

  I had an experience maybe half a year ago where I was in a therapy session doing a visualization. And my therapist said, visit yourself in your 60s. Where are you? What are you doing? And my first reaction is like, what are you talking about? I kind of relaxed into it a little bit. Again, is it imagination? Is it me? There was a vision of myself at that age. And I kind of looked more like my dad than I do now, right? Like my dad, who's in his 80s. And I saw myself and I'm, and I felt that version of myself and I was happy. And I was just like, I was out and I was actually near an ocean and I was on a patio and I was having breakfast.

• 50:00Jonathan Cohen?

  And I felt the rhythm of my day and it didn't feel stressful. And it kind of pulled me out of whatever distress I was having in the moment, saying, oh, that, there's a buoy there. There's a tether to some other version of myself that feels so real. I don't know how I get there. I don't know what the path is. It doesn't eliminate what I'm going through now, but it just pulls me out of this enough to be like, there's some version that has already gone through all of this that I can feel connected to.

• 50:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, and he's, and he's okay. That's interesting that you felt the feelings of the day and the routine of the day. I feel like that's a big tell for, that's real. That isn't imagination, that's real, like the perspective feeling is really powerful.

• 50:46Jonathan Cohen?

  I've revisited that version of myself at times where things feel unsettled and almost said, what does that person want me to know on how to navigate what I'm going through right now?

• 50:57Speaker 02

  I never go to the future that far.

• 51:00Jonathan Cohen?

  This is the first time I've ever done that.

• 51:01Speaker 02

  That's crazy. Yeah. I see, for me, I have, I see my future grandson. And my kids are nowhere near that age to do that. Yeah. But like, I see my future grandson and he's with us all the time. And it's like, I know, it's like, I know his personality. I see the day with him. It's, it's weird, you know? But it provides me a lot of comfort because I'm like, oh, this is good, you know, like whatever. I don't know the surrounding context about it, but I know that that moment, that relationship's real.

• 51:29Jonathan Cohen?

  I love that. I mean, I can't see next year, but I'm seeing myself at 60. Let's do an easy one. Pendulums. Pendulums, and I like dowsing rods quite a bit because I think they're super fun. I have a pair. I didn't bring them to this session. I should have. Tell us about a pendulum if someone doesn't know what it is. I think it's a cool tool. I've also seen people be overly reliant on them. Right? Like you're like, you don't want to be the person who can't make a single decision without your pendulum. Tell us about the pros and maybe even the cons also.

• 52:00Speaker 02

  So pendulum is like a crystal on a chain, basically. And there's a variety of materials you can use to do this. And certain way that it moves indicates yes or no, or maybe to your question. Or you can use it to kind of test balance on your body and energy centers and whatnot. To use a pendulum and all these things. I like to rely on my own connection always. And I always encourage people, don't outsource your connection. You know, that's like, and I know you do too. It's like, this is a personal power. Like you are in the vessel. You are the conduit. But these tools, like crystals or pendulums or anything, to me, it's kind of like an extension your energy can use

• 52:44Speaker 02

  to give clarity, to assist you in inspiration or inspired thought, and to kind of just give you maybe a nudge you need to move a little forward, just a little bit. And it's just kind of waits for the universe to come in and have a bit of a conversation with you as well. So they're tools. They're just, it's just a tool. Just like when I use a brush to brush my hair, but my hair is mine. That is a tool, you know, that. So that's how I use them. And they're so pretty, though. And you can really, you can go, you can have so much fun at the crystal shop and get the prettiest pendulum. And they're just so much fun to have. And sometimes I'll use one just like, ah. You know, it's kind of like when you flip a corner and you're like, heads, heads I'll go, tails I won't.

• 53:29Speaker 02

  But you know, you know what it is when you're disappointed. You know, you're like, oh.

• 53:33Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:34Speaker 02

  So pendulums are like the same to me. It's like, when you see it, you're like, yeah, I already knew that. You know, like that. And it's just kind of like, all right. You know, and it just kind of seals the deal. That's how I see them.

• 53:44Jonathan Cohen?

  My miss said, is it the pendulum getting information? Or is there a very, very subtle movement happening in our physical body that's below our perception? That's then guiding it. And so what it's actually doing is bringing an imperceptible force to our awareness.

• 54:04Speaker 02

  Or both, you know?

• 54:06Jonathan Cohen?

  Right?

• 54:06Speaker 02

  I always say two, two things can be true. You know, it can be the angels guiding it and your own subconscious want or need coming through. But I'll tell you, dowsing rods, because you mentioned that I have to bring them up, don't ever use them in a haunted house. They, have you ever done that?

• 54:25Jonathan Cohen?

  Not in a haunted house.

• 54:27Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

• 54:28Jonathan Cohen?

  I have dowsing rods, but I don't think I've ever been to a haunted house.

• 54:31Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. Like you're like ghost tour or anything. They, oh.

• 54:35Jonathan Cohen?

  Not for me.

• 54:36Speaker 02

  I feel like for me, it's kind of ruined dowsing rods for me.

• 54:41Jonathan Cohen?

  What happens? Do they go crazy?

• 54:42Speaker 02

  They were just like, really crazy and like violent. And just like, that was not me doing it. Like, I was like, I don't like to be really scared.

• 54:50Jonathan Cohen?

  I have so many more things, Doggyard, but since you brought up ghosts, I think we'll, we'll end on that. What do you think about either ghosts or clearings? The idea of entities? Again, I think it's a double edged sword. I've seen people be like, I can't do this because I'm being psychically attacked. And I'm like, okay, we need you protected, but also you have to take steps in the real world. And also I've seen, you know, influence where I'm like, I feel super off, not sure why. And then I'll try and like scan and become aware. And I'll be like, oh, it feels like there's some unresolved things that I need to take a little space from. If that's not clear to anyone who's, who's listening

• 55:34Jonathan Cohen?

  to what I just said, because it's a little bit high level, can you walk us through what it might mean to either have something that needs to be cleared? It's something in your house that feels cold, dark? Like, how do you even begin to start this topic?

• 55:49Speaker 02

  There's a lot we don't know about how the other side operates and the ways that the planes fit on top of our own plane. That's the first thing. So I do feel like a lot of energies are a little closer than we give them credit for. That's one. Two, I've had so many experiences throughout my entire life, like growing up as a kid, like where I've lived in occupied houses. And even doing readings and stuff. I'll just put this out there. Most places do have energies with them. And it's not bad. It's kind of like a roommate vibe that is an energy.

• 56:23Jonathan Cohen?

  A roommate vibe.

• 56:24Speaker 02

  It's like a roommate. And I'll tell you, like, they usually keep the house pretty safe. They are homey feeling. Nine out of 10 of them are like nice energies that just liked to be in that frequency, in that space, in this plane. Like, they're not quite ready, for whatever reason, to go into the ether.

• 56:45Jonathan Cohen?

  Why are they there and not moving to wherever they go next? They're like, they missed the bus? They're like, there's a time period that they're allowed to just stay in limbo? They can stay forever? What's going on?

• 56:57Speaker 02

  I know. The ones that stay are a little less chatty. The ones that kind of move over are more chatty. I'll tell you, for example, my parents lived in this home. They moved in and the previous owner's son died by suicide in the basement, which was very, very sad. He was in the basement. Like, he occupied the basement. And you'd go down there and you'd feel him. So many different people had experiences. Like you'd smell marijuana, for example, and none of us smoke. And, or you just feel his energy. He was just chilling. He was just hanging out. That was his happy place. And he wasn't ready to go yet. It wasn't negative. It wasn't bad. You know, he wasn't there to scare, to hurt.

• 57:42Speaker 02

  That was just him feeling comfortable. I feel like personally, he wasn't ready to go yet. You know, because of the trauma. And I think a lot of energies around your home have a lot to do with that. But then sometimes there's more negative ones or more pervasive ones, or ones that have kind of like a story to tell. And those are the ones that get a little bit more aggressive. And that's when you can get touched or things move, or there's more like experiences that are unexplainable and unnerving. And that's, I don't, I don't play with that, you know? And that's, that's more just kind of like, I'm not into that. There are energies that choose to stay, for whatever reason.

• 58:25Speaker 02

  And then they have intentions of their own in doing so. And sometimes you have to tell them, don't touch me. Don't touch my kids.

• 58:31Jonathan Cohen?

  This is going to be a stretch for some people. The idea that non-physical.

• 58:34Speaker 02

  We're in it now, yeah.

• 58:36Jonathan Cohen?

  Non-physical beings are moving things and touching things. And I've heard people say this. I've not experienced that. I've never experienced anything moving or, or like, I haven't experienced a spirit moving across the divide into physical form in that way. I have felt, you know, what I would say is, things in the space that I've asked to leave. I've done a clearing in a space, which was wild. I was an apartment manager at the time. And like someone new moved in. They were younger, kind of like, they were out there too. And they kind of sensed, they're like, called me up. They're like, you're going to think I'm crazy, but I think this apartment is haunted. It was like the first three days they moved in. I was like, don't worry, I'll come and help. And I grabbed my sage and they're like, I thought you were going to think I'm crazy.

• 59:20Jonathan Cohen?

  And I'm like, no, no, let's just kind of feel out. You know, they would have the same person tenants for years and years and years. And like, I don't know what happened before that. And it just got renovated and it's sort of like, fresh start. So if nothing else, let's just sage the place and move on. I go through, I'm like putting, just doing like an energy, just feeling, sensing and sort of putting intention across all the space. We go to every corner of the apartment. In the final corner, my hands just go cold.

• 59:48Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, and shells.

• 59:49Jonathan Cohen?

  And I go cold. And I'm like, okay, that is a different sensation than anything else I've felt. So I start to set the, ask it to, I say, you know, I feel this. I don't know what it is. I don't know what you're doing here. I'm going to ask that, you know, clear this space for the tenant's highest good, only things that are for her highest, blah, blah, blah, blah. I start doing that. Out of nowhere, she rushes to the bathroom and vomits.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  I wonder if it's attached to her.

• 1:00:16Jonathan Cohen?

  I do like a cord cutting thing and I feel like, she vomits, comes up, she's sweating. She's like, I didn't drink last night. I don't feel sick. I don't know what happened. And I'm like, I just felt this thing like, and she's like, thank you so much. And she's like, I feel okay now. Like, I don't feel sick at all. And that was it. I leave and, you know, talk to her a week later. She's like, I don't know. I don't know what happened, but it feels different.

• 1:00:40Speaker 02

  That is, so you did have an experience. That is like a pretty visceral experience.

• 1:00:46Jonathan Cohen?

  It wasn't moving furniture, slamming doors or like, like that. That to me is scary. If it's just sitting dark in the corner, then like, I'm okay.

• 1:00:55Speaker 02

  Like, that to me is like a very intense experience. Like, that's, that's amazing. Wow.

• 1:01:01Jonathan Cohen?

  It was wild. It was, and again, I really liked the like energetic sensing to a tangible, like that, that to me feels, it helps me feel like I'm not just only making things up.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  Sometimes before a reading, if I'll, I'll know somebody's going to visit this person I'm reading, because I'll start getting like sensations. Like, once I got padded in the shower, right before a reading, and nobody was in the house with me. And I felt like, like this on the back of my, and I was like, okay. And immediately I knew it was whoever it was's grandpa, which sounds creepy, but he was very nice. I told her. And, you know, just something like that. But that's, that's more like a visitation before a reading. The ones in the houses can be a little bit, I think, they get a little territorial. They want to stay there.

• 1:01:54Jonathan Cohen?

  That's the word. Yeah, that's the word. I'm like, this is, I'm paying rent. You're here, but like, come on, someone has to give. We can't both own this house or be the primary dweller.

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  Yes, for sure.

• 1:02:07Jonathan Cohen?

  Tell people where they can find more of you, where they can get this amazing book.

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  Oh, thank you, Jonathan. All right, you can find it, Aura Culture, here on Substack. And my book, my Encyclopedia of Energy Healing, you can get anywhere you like to buy your books. And you can find me on Instagram, at Mystic Michaela.

• 1:02:27Jonathan Cohen?

  It's such a pleasure to reconnect. It's been too many years. I would love to invite you back anytime. Really, it feels like we could take any one of these things and go in so many directions. We didn't get to Past Lives or Akashic Records. I have so many other things to talk to you about. So definitely get the book. And you do such amazing content online. People should follow you and make sure that they're learning from you. Such a wealth of wisdom. And thank you for coming out of the spiritual closet and helping make this so tangible and real. I just had such a great time with you.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  Jonathan, thank you so much. You know, I love visiting you. And yes, I could talk to you all day. This was so, too much fun. Thank you so much.