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Chef Marcus Samuelsson on the ingredients for success

Masters of Scale

Hosted by Reid Hoffman

35m
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In this episode of Masters of Scale, Reid Hoffman explores how leaders can build enduring organizations by amplifying diverse stories and community voices. The episode features chef and media personality Marcus Samuelsson, who details his journey from growing up in Ethiopia and Sweden to running world-renowned restaurants in New York City. Samuelsson explains how encountering narrow-minded European chefs pushed him to seek out environments that embraced cultural plurality, leading him to Harlem, where he founded Red Rooster and later Hav & Mar with a leadership team centering women of color. Through personal anecdotes about cooking for President Obama, navigating the COVID-19 pandemic, and operating community kitchens, Samuelsson and Hoffman argue that food, hospitality, and business are powerful mediums for storytelling and social impact.

  • Amplifying unique community and customer stories builds a foundational layer of trust, loyalty, and long-term impact for businesses. 7:24
  • Immersing yourself in a neighborhood's culture allows you to act as a student and uncover authentic local narratives. 24:04
  • Combining hospitality with media creation helps shape the public narrative and ensures diverse culinary experiences are properly understood. 29:53
  • Facing severe crises like a pandemic can catalyze new community-focused initiatives such as operating emergency community kitchens. 34:34

Chapters

  1. 0:01
    Podcast Intro and Advertisements

    The episode opens with a series of promotional ads and a brief introduction by host Reid Hoffman.

  2. 9:36
    Marcus Samuelsson’s Early Life in Ethiopia

    Marcus recounts his birth in a hut in Ethiopia and the hardships his family faced before moving to Sweden.

  3. 11:06
    Influence of Grandmother’s Cooking

    Marcus describes how his grandmother’s meatballs sparked his passion for food and storytelling.

  4. 13:16
    Apprenticeships and Exposure to Global Cuisines

    He shares his experiences working in Japan, France, and other countries, learning new flavors and techniques.

  5. 16:31
    Early Career at Aquavit and First Michelin Star

    Marcus explains how he became head chef at Aquavit, reimagined Scandinavian cuisine, and earned a three‑star NYT review at 23.

  6. 18:28
    Impact of 9/11 on Marcus and New York

    The September 11 attacks forced Marcus to confront personal and professional uncertainty, leading to a pivotal conversation with his mother.

  7. 22:25
    Move to Harlem and Cultural Immersion

    Marcus moves from Midtown to Harlem, immersing himself in the neighborhood’s diverse food culture and community stories.

  8. 28:34
    Founding Red Rooster and Community‑Focused Vision

    He launches Red Rooster, blending culinary innovation with programming that celebrates Harlem’s heritage and fosters community dialogue.

  9. 34:34
    Pandemic Response and the Community Kitchen

    During COVID‑19, Marcus establishes the Red Rooster Community Kitchen to feed the neighborhood and support local resilience.

  10. 36:48
    Launching Havmar and Emphasizing Diversity in Leadership

    Marcus opens Havmar, a restaurant where all leadership positions are held by women of color, reinforcing his commitment to inclusive storytelling.

  11. 37:45
    Storytelling as a Leadership Imperative

    Reid Hoffman and Marcus discuss how amplifying diverse narratives builds trust, loyalty, and lasting impact for leaders and organizations.

Highlights

  • 3:41

    Cooking 21 Family Mealsstory

    The speaker shares an experiment of cooking 21 family-favorite home-cooked meals over seven days, which sparked unexpected stories and brought the family closer together.

  • 9:36

    Surviving Tuberculosis and Adoptionstory

    The guest recounts contracting tuberculosis in an Ethiopian village, walking two hours to a Swedish hospital where their mother passed away, and ultimately being adopted into Sweden.

  • 14:09

    Told He Couldn't Own Restaurantsdebate

    A European chef told the guest that as a young Black chef, he could never own a restaurant because no one would support it.

  • 17:51

    Youngest Three-Star Chefdata

    At age 23, the guest earned a coveted three-star review from The New York Times for Aquavit, becoming the youngest chef to receive the accolade.

  • 22:25

    Moving From Midtown to Harlemstory

    Moving 50 blocks uptown from Midtown to Harlem felt like moving to a different country and opened the guest up to thousands of vibrant new community stories.

  • 32:07

    Cooking for President Obamastory

    The guest describes the high-stakes challenge of preparing a four-course state dinner for 400 people in 44 minutes for President Obama and the Indian Prime Minister.

  • 36:48

    Centering Women of Color Leadersstrategy

    The guest shares how their newest restaurant, Hav & Mar, was specifically created with a leadership structure where all leading positions are held by women of color.

Quotes

  • “When you start to hear from other people about how they're moved, you almost let go of your own ego, and you kind of understand that storytelling and connecting with people, it's kind of a service.”
    Unnamed speaker · 5:13
  • “The way to make it sticky is by telling compelling, surprising new stories.”
    Reid Hoffman · 31:45
  • Deal 18:29–20:11
  • Intuit 38:43–39:04
  • Rapid Response 40:04–40:36

About this episode

Telling a clear story about your product is an essential entrepreneurial skill. Chef Marcus Samuelsson is an expert at this in his beloved restaurants (Hav & Mar and Red Rooster) and through his broader entrepreneurial efforts. Samuelsson joined host Reid Hoffman in 2024 to share how embracing a diversity of stories has been an essential ingredient to his businesses. Subscribe to the Masters of Scale weekly newsletter: https://mastersofscale.com/subscribe See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Transcript

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6,171 words · 14 speakers

Speaker names marked are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

Topics

  • Food and Culture
  • Community Building
  • Diversity and Inclusion
  • Culinary Arts
  • Restaurant Management
  • Entrepreneurship
  • Storytelling

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