Pod Insights Life Kit Plus Tired of being tired? Natural ways to get the energy you crave About this episode Do you feel like you're sleepwalking through the week? Instead of reaching for your third coffee of the day, consider tweaking your lifestyle habits. Gut health expert Dr. Amy Shah explains how small changes in your diet and sleep can help you naturally recharge. And to get that spring in your step again, experts share how to find something that lights you up from within.
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0:22 Speaker 01 Hey, it's Marielle. Is anybody else tired, like, a lot of the time?
0:28 Speaker 02 That is something I hear on a daily basis. People complain in almost every age group that they are tired. It's like you feel exhausted all day, even if you've slept enough, even if you think you're doing all the right things.
0:43 Speaker 01 Dr. Amy Shah is a double-board certified MD and a nutrition expert, and author of the book, I'm So Effing Tired: A Proven Plan to Beat Burnout, Boost Your Energy, and Reclaim Your Life. As the title of the book suggests, Amy herself used to live in a near-constant state of exhaustion. She was a young doctor with a busy private practice and two kids at home when she noticed shifts in her mood and her body, like weight gain, irritability, and trouble sleeping. But she couldn't pin down a specific cause for all of it. And when she turned to her doctor friends for advice...
1:20 Speaker 02 Everybody just said, you know, "Oh, of course you're tired. You're a mom with young kids. You're working full-time. You're, you know, getting older." That was my favorite. I felt like there was something more, but I didn't know what. And it really felt kind of disappointing that nobody could help me and that this was just going to be life.
1:40 Speaker 01 Then Amy got in a car crash. She'd been rushing from a busy day at work to pick up her kids from karate. Her car spun until she hit a divider in the middle of the road. It was totaled.
1:51 Speaker 02 That week that I had to take off to kind of pick up the pieces, I really started to change my life.
1:57 Speaker 01 Amy was tired of always being tired, and she wasn't willing to accept fatigue as her new normal. So she started looking for answers and got really intentional about her nutrition and her daily schedule.
2:08 Speaker 02 And when I did change that, that's when I started to see the real results.
2:12 Speaker 01 Results as in enough energy to hike to Machu Picchu. And get this: while there, a Peruvian tour guide told her they'd never seen anyone do the hike so effortlessly.
2:25 Speaker 01 Now, we can't promise you that level of energy boost from this episode, but we will sure try. Life Kit reporter Andy Tagle is going to talk more with Amy about her gutsy approach to energy. And she'll also talk with a psychologist and an award-winning author and offer you some simple and surprising, research-backed strategies on how to jumpstart your energy.
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4:05 Speaker 01 First up, body energy. Okay, a show of imaginary hands. How many of you are here because you're trying to kick your caffeine dependency?
4:14 Speaker 02 Your energy is like a bank. So if you drink coffee and you borrow from the bank, you have to pay it back later.
4:21 Speaker 01 We all know there are no magic pills out there, but maybe like me, when you gotta be on, you gotta be on. So you often reach for quick Band-Aid boosters like caffeine or sugary snacks, or maybe even a combination of the two, all the live-long day. Because it feels like the only alternative is to try to function in zombie mode. The thing is, those habits, as in excessive caffeine and sugar consumption, can wreak havoc on your gut, which in turn can mess with your whole system. Amy says you might have some clues if that's already the case.
4:56 Speaker 02 One of the telltale signs is you're tired all the time. Even if you've gotten a good night's sleep, brain fogginess is another sign. So people will say like, you know, I just can't think straight. A lot of people will feel inflammation in their joints.
5:12 Speaker 01 See, according to Amy, your gut is the center of an important, ongoing conversation in your body.
5:18 Speaker 02 This like constant communication between the gut, the hormones, and the immune system.
5:23 Speaker 01 And when they're all in harmony, she says, energy follows.
5:27 Speaker 02 Your gut health and hormone health are so intertwined that when you do improve your gut health, your immune health and your hormone health get better.
5:37 Speaker 01 And to explain how that works, takeaway one. If you want more natural gusto, be good to your gut. Our guts influence our energy on multiple levels. In addition to managing digestion and the absorption of nutrients, our guts both produce and support our hormones. Like, did you know 95% of serotonin is produced there? When needed, our gut bacteria create inflammation to ward off invaders or disease, which can also slow you down. And the gut moves fast.
6:10 Speaker 02 These gut bacteria turn over really quick and they can respond very quickly to what's happening in your outside world. And so if you change what you're eating and what you're doing for even three days, you're going to start to feel the beneficial effects of this.
6:24 Speaker 01 The beneficial effects of being good to your gut, that is. But what does that mean exactly? Allow us to illustrate. Picture your gut like a food processing factory. There are all these little bacteria workers lined up along the conveyor belt of your digestive tract to disassemble whatever you decide to eat. We'll start with your favorite cheesy bag of potato chips.
6:45 Speaker 02 What happens is that the gut microbes look at this and they say, well, there's, this does not look like food to me. I'm not really sure what it is. So it calls in immune cells to kind of help it, kind of isolate it, take it out of our system.
7:01 Speaker 01 So for a lot of food additives, artificial color, Flavors, preservatives. It's like one of those little workers hits a button on the wall calling for a special security team. Red alert, red alert, intruder.
7:12 Speaker 02 That is called inflammation. And then in turn, you will get an elevation of your cortisol and you'll get signs to the brain to kind of slow down what it's doing so that we can concentrate on getting rid or categorizing this toxin.
7:30 Speaker 01 Now let's turn to, say, a handful of blueberries. Your body is like,
7:34 Speaker 02 I know what that is. Get that and like, let's absorb the vitamins and send it through and produce some good, feel-good chemicals because we just were able to eat the skin.
7:44 Speaker 01 So those blueberries help feed your gut to promote additional serotonin, which positively impacts our body's energy. And they also have anti-inflammatory properties. So when you need a snack and you grab that bag of potato chips over those blueberries, your body has to borrow resources, use a little extra battery life and brain power that might otherwise be fueling your daily decision-making and activities. Amy says, think about it like a bad hangover.
8:10 Speaker 02 Think of a day when you've had a lot of alcohol and the next day and how your gut feels and how your brain feels and how tired you feel. This happens on a micro level whenever we're eating junk foods or alcohol, et cetera.
8:23 Speaker 01 Woof, am I right? If, like me, you are suddenly super motivated to turn things around, real fibrous foods are where to start. So things like the aforementioned blueberries, avocados, leafy greens.
8:37 Speaker 02 Seeds and nuts, cruciferous vegetables as well, like broccoli, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts. These are foods that support that gut bacteria.
8:46 Speaker 01 Also on the do list, food diversity, especially plant-based foods.
8:50 Speaker 02 Try new vegetables, try new fruits, try new spices, because that is something that will really improve your gut health, which will then in turn improve your energy.
9:00 Speaker 01 That doesn't mean you have to go out and blow a whole paycheck at the grocery store, though. There are a lot of budget-friendly foods that are also good for your gut. Dried beans, canned peas, and other legumes, for example. Also, the frozen section is your friend.
9:15 Speaker 02 Frozen berries are often actually healthier than fresh berries because the frozen are often frozen at their peak of vitamins and freshness, and same with vegetables.
9:27 Speaker 01 Moving towards what to moderate. Amy says you want to avoid processed meats and keep other meat consumption to a minimum, like one serving a day and not more than five a week. A longstanding dietary guideline, by the way, is to keep saturated fats to less than 10% of your daily calories. So a lean, ideally organic chicken breast would be better than an all-beef burger. If you're big on dairy, she suggests sticking towards the fermented kind to help your gut. So yogurt, kefir, cottage cheese, feta. Okay, top things to avoid. Number one, no surprise here, processed and ultra-processed foods. You're probably eating more of it than you think.
10:08 Speaker 01 Fried and high-preserved foods, as well as what Amy calls one of the worst offenders to your energy levels, sugar-sweetened beverages, like soda or fruit punch. Because, she says, you're often getting hit on multiple fronts. Sugar, caffeine levels, other food additives.
10:25 Speaker 02 So your blood sugar spikes and then drops, and then your cortisol spikes when your blood sugar spikes, and then your inflammation levels rise, and all of that happens so fast because it's a drink.
10:38 Speaker 01 Yikes. Anyone else totally sold but also a little overwhelmed? Luckily, Amy's got another quick idea to jolt the system. This one's a lighter lift, but still packs a punch. Takeaway two: supercharge your circadian rhythm.
10:55 Speaker 02 One of the biggest energy boosts that has become a non-negotiable for me is getting some sunlight in the morning.
11:01 Speaker 01 So easy, right? You've heard this a million times, yes. But how often do you actually do it? Consider this: you're assigned to start. For real, all you need is a couple of minutes, ideally within an hour of waking up. And, look, we're not talking tropical vacation levels of sunshine. It can be overcast, it can be rainy.
11:22 Speaker 02 It just means that you have natural light reaching your eyes, and from your retina, there's a direct connection to your suprachiasmatic nucleus in your brain that is in the hormonal centers.
11:34 Speaker 01 That's like your body's master clock. It sets a bunch of things in motion.
11:38 Speaker 02 And it's so interesting because that gut bacteria that lives all the way in your lower colon also loves sunlight. They also send signals to your brain that they're happy, and you get more energized and focused. So that is one of the easiest ways to boost energy that has nothing to do with changing the way you eat.
11:55 Speaker 01 But we're just getting started with our clocks. Our next power play is something Amy calls circadian fasting. Don't let the terminology scare you.
12:04 Speaker 02 100 years ago, it was not called circadian fasting. It was just called life. But now that we live in this 24/7 world, we have to actually stop eating at a certain time so that our bodies can rest and digest and then give it a break.
12:18 Speaker 01 Because when you don't give your digestive system adequate recovery time, you can't expect it to be able to perform at its best.
12:24 Speaker 02 Almost like if someone woke you up in the middle of the night and asked you to do like a complicated math problem, you'd probably not do it very well. And the next day, you would probably be tired and mad that you had to.
12:37 Speaker 01 Our gut bacteria need a chance to be off the clock, kick off their shoes. Like, consider how you feel at the end of an average eight-hour work shift. Amy says our guts are accustomed to processing our food for 12-hour shifts at a time. But the data shows we Americans are typically eating for...
12:56 Speaker 02 15, 16 hours a day and only leaving a break for about eight hours.
13:00 Speaker 01 And that often leads to poor health outcomes. Research has shown that people who eat large meals very late at night have increased rates of insulin resistance, GI problems like acid reflux, and, you guessed it, often feel tired, especially in the morning. So if you want to be good to your gut and good to your body clock at the same time, you might consider taking deliberate, scheduled, consistent breaks from eating. One such way to do that, Amy's idea of circadian fasting. As the name suggests, it's a style of eating that simply tries to sync up with your natural circadian rhythms. So you want to fast overnight, aiming to eat in the light hours and fast in the dark. That isn't like a hard and fast rule.
13:44 Speaker 01 You don't have to rush through dinner if the sun is setting. The idea is just to give your gut as much time as possible to digest.
13:51 Speaker 02 So you might eat dinner at 6:00 or 7:00 PM and then wake up at 6:00 or 7:00, and then maybe not have your first meal until 8:00 or 9:00.
14:00 Speaker 01 In her book, Amy advises keeping three things constant. First, observe at least a 12-hour fast window. Second, you want to keep that window as close to your circadian clock as possible. Finally, stop eating three hours before you go to sleep. Of course, with all of this, you want to check in with your doctor first if you have any questions or concerns. And you want to keep checking in with your body to see how those schedule changes have affected your sleep, your mood, and your energy.
14:32 Speaker 01 All right, how are we feeling? All sounds simple enough, but maybe easier said than done? Agreed. After the break, let's work on that mental battery and get you pumped.
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15:52 Speaker 01 All right, next up, let's talk emotional energy. To make changes, we first have to figure out where you're channeling your energy and what might be sapping you. Of course, that list might be long. There are systemic factors that impact all of us to different degrees, many of which we have little or no control over. And carrying that awareness around, that you can't just prevent all the bad stuff from happening, can be heavy and scary.
16:19 Speaker 04 But I think what it also does is if we're able to recognize that awareness with a sense of acceptance and move into the idea of what is available for me to do, not what do I want the ideal situation to be like, but instead is what is available for me to do under this circumstances, under this situation, under this reality?
16:45 Speaker 01 And that's takeaway three. Assess your emotional energy bill and recharge on a daily basis. Because-
16:53 Speaker 04 Often times when we think about energy, we're thinking about how to boost energy as opposed to how do we preserve energy.
16:59 Speaker 01 This is Emmanuel Mercedes. Manny, a counseling psychologist in private practice in New Jersey. He's also a very proud father to three boys.
17:08 Speaker 04 Ages 10, 5, and 3. So you can imagine the amount of energy that is required.
17:15 Speaker 01 Manny says no matter your current stage or situation in life, new grad, trying to find your way in the world, working father of three, grandparent eager to reach retirement, our cultural norm is to push for more, do the most, spread ourselves as thin as possible.
17:30 Speaker 04 The expectations are so high. And so when we try to do everything and we fail at it, not only do we find ourselves physically exhausted, but emotionally, psychologically, just depleted.
17:41 Speaker 01 And he says we can really start to get into trouble when we burn all our fuel on things that we don't really care about or that don't actually serve us.
17:49 Speaker 04 How much of our energy is spent stressing out, ruminating, thinking about problems that may not be within our scope of being able to resolve, right?
17:59 Speaker 01 A 2025 Gallup survey found that Americans who live in ways aligned with their core values are more likely to be thriving than those who do not. And like, yeah, duh, right? But get this. Many widely practiced daily behaviors, namely frequent social media use, news consumption, the use of AI, and non-essential shopping, are far less likely to align with what we say matters most to us. And that gap between our values and our daily habits was closely tied to lower life satisfaction and to optimism. That took some air out of my tires pretty quick. The point? If you want an emotional boost, find alignment.
18:42 Speaker 01 To start, here at Life Kit, we love a time audit. You could try logging just a day or logging a week. Just take stock of how you're actually spending your energy, not just the highlights, as in-
18:53 Speaker 04 What is happening around me? And what is my reaction, my response to things that are happening around me?
18:58 Speaker 01 Then add up and categorize your time. An hour chatting with friends, three hours of podcasts, 10 hours commuting, 12 hours on social media. That can't be right.
19:10 Speaker 01 Then from your list, take stock of what feels good and what feels bad. Maybe break out some markers and do some color coding if you're feeling wild. Then try going one step further.
19:20 Speaker 04 What are the things that I actually have influence or control over versus the things that are completely out of my control?
19:26 Speaker 01 The answer to that question can give you the agency to best recalibrate your schedule according to your values. Like, maybe you realize your TV watching clock is a lot bigger than you'd like it to be, and your exercise block is a lot smaller. Maybe you realize you're always in a bad mood after interacting with that one person in the family. Some things will have a quick fix, and others will remain immovable. But Manny says just practicing some awareness around the energy vampires in your life can help take away their power.
19:57 Speaker 04 I simply lean back and like, okay, I'm gonna let them finish whatever statement they have. I'm not engaging. If this is something that I need to deal with, let me just deal with it and move forward in my life, as opposed to spending all this energy and all this effort into things that don't necessarily provide you a return on your, on your energy investment.
20:19 Speaker 01 From there, a final calendar mandate from Manny that I love: remember to charge your emotional battery every day.
20:27 Speaker 04 I love the idea of like, oh, you know what? I'm gonna go to the spa and then I'm gonna get a massage. But the thing is, that that's the equivalent of practicing once a month a skill and then thinking, why am I not getting any better?
20:41 Speaker 01 This one hit like a ton of bricks because it's so simple but so often overlooked. And yes, this is me talking to me.
20:49 Speaker 04 Because every day you're dealing with stress. Every day that you're dealing with stress also means that every day you need to have a recovery process.
20:56 Speaker 01 You plug in your phone or your laptop most every night, no? Or if you forget, you're not surprised when it dies in the middle of the day. Our operating systems are way more complex than any computer. So mind all those tabs open in your head and build in that personal emotional battery booster. That could look like a meditation or breathing practice, morning yoga.
21:16 Speaker 04 It may have something to do with actual physical activity, like working out, strength training, or running.
21:23 Speaker 01 And let's quickly note, if you're doing all of these things, practicing healthy habits, managing your stress, and you still can't seem to find energy, Manny says it might be time to consult a care provider.
21:34 Speaker 04 Something about that indicates that there's either a medical, physical condition that needs to be explored, or there may be a psychiatric or mental illness condition that may need to be considered.
21:45 Speaker 01 In any case, Manny says protecting your peace in a way that's true to your values, never a bad idea.
21:51 Speaker 04 I would call it the ultimate energy hack is to live present and intentionally, and finding ways to then create a routine that actually sustains the outcome that we want, something that we practice on a daily basis.
22:09 Speaker 01 Our last guest is here to help us cultivate an energetic spirit, and she fully agrees with Manny. Her novel approach to living in the present, try surfing.
22:19 Speaker 05 Oh, my gosh, I'm doing it. Like, the guides, like, sort of cheering, go, go, go, go, go, right? Like, that is a really, really exhilarating feeling.
22:28 Speaker 01 Karen Walrin is an author, a speaker, a leadership coach, and this episode's designated energy ambassador. She brings us takeaway four: curiosity is critical. Explore more, and don't be scared to be an amateur. Her most recent book is titled, In Defense of Dabbling: The Brilliance of Being a Total Amateur. For Karen, being an amateur is a wonderful thing.
22:53 Speaker 05 The etymology of the word, it means one who loves. And I was like, well, why aren't we more proud of being an amateur? And not only that, seek out. Amateur pursuits, when we're living in a world that could definitely use more people who love, right?
23:09 Speaker 01 Case in point, those surf lessons we were just talking about.
23:12 Speaker 05 And I had never experienced, like, I body surfed before, you know, like, playing in the waves, but it's a totally different experience to be on the board when that wave takes you. Like, it literally feels like you're almost on a little speedboat.
23:29 Speaker 01 Surfing was right on the edge of Karen's comfort zone. She loves the ocean, but the task itself was a bit intimidating. It took a lot of physical exertion just to paddle out, and then she was pulled under a wave a bit on her first go. So when she finally popped up on that board, oh, the energy.
23:46 Speaker 05 That delight, that little shot of exhilaration, like, that's kind of what you're going for, right? Like, it's all of a sudden, you're delighting in yourself. And there's so few opportunities in the world where you get to delight in yourself.
23:59 Speaker 01 Karen says what started out for her as a book about hobbies led her to much deeper lessons about how to connect to herself, about finding vitality. And it's made her a real evangelist for the regular practice of trying out new interests, classes, pastimes, places, simply for their own pleasure and for the energy that brings.
24:19 Speaker 05 I really think there's a reason it's called recreation, like, recreation. It literally is about how do you get back to who you are without the overwhelm, without the worry that goes out?
24:30 Speaker 01 A good hobby can bring play into your life or lead you to an invigorating flow state. It can connect you to other people in the real world or just to a sense of wonder and awe. Of course, not everyone can or cares to learn to surf specifically, but Karen says the regular practice of amateurism, be it coding or hula-hooping or painting or pottery, or a different one of those every week, can pay out in dividends just because you can say you've been there.
24:58 Speaker 05 And the energizing thing was also talking about it with my partner afterwards. The energizing is talking about it with you as I sort of relive that thing that happened in, you know, over a year ago at this point. Like, the energizing thing, that lasts.
25:15 Speaker 01 And finding that kind of energy in your day-to-day life, the kind you get from the childlike joy of discovery or exploration or growth when you try something new. Even in super small ways, it's worth the effort.
25:28 Speaker 05 I think when you're, when you're a kid, you're constantly delighting yourself or learning something new. But as you get older, that becomes less and less frequent, I think. And I really, I believe that that idea of chasing that delight in yourself, like, that's how we live well, that's how we age well. Like, that, that to me is the secret sauce of living.
25:52 Speaker 01 Okay, let's have one quick high-energy recap. Takeaway one: to give your body a boost, be good to your gut. Fibers food and cruciferous vegetables are the name of the game. Takeaway two: supercharge your circadian rhythm. Get that morning sunlight in and give your digestive system a break every day. Takeaway three: assess your emotional energy bill and build in a stress relief practice daily. And takeaway four: curiosity is critical. Explore more and don't be scared to be an amateur.
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