"Love That (Nah)" (w/ Matt + Bowen)

Hours before the midterm results were revealed, Matt Rogers + Bowen Yang discussed popular culture on a recorded line. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  Hey, everybody. It's me, Matt, and my tour is on sale now. This time, it's really Christmas. You can go to www dot matt rogers official dot com. Podcasts are a visual medium. If you're not watching me right now, I am holding in my hands my vinyl. It's called Have You Heard of Christmas? The answer to that question is coming. At this time, it's really Christmas. I'm playing all over the country, and in London, and in Canada. That makes it a world tour. Harry Styles, you're on burn notice. I'll see you soon.

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  Grand Theft Auto VI is coming out.

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  I will say this. Kind of have always loved Grand Theft Auto.

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  This is-

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  Kind of love being a little bad boy on the streets.

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  It's Bonnie and Clyde. You play a couple.

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  What work.

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  You switch between the woman and the man.

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  Can I be the woman the whole time?

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  I think so.

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  Gotta play a woman. Can't play a man.

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  But you're gonna like this guy-

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  I play a man every day of my life. I'm in here, first person.

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  But you're gonna like this guy, because you can make him work out and make him look really hot, and you see him naked.

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  Okay, that's cool.

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  Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Is that culture? Yeah, goodness.

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  Yeah.

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  Las Culturistas.

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  Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling. Welcome to the safe space.

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  This is a safe space, a time capsule, if you will, of the moments right before midterm election results come in. This is Tuesday, November 3rd, and the day. We don't, we simply don't know anything. The last piece of transmission, image-wise, we have is Haley Stevens showing up to vote in a giant straw hat.

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  She's arrived to vote in Michigan in a sort of huge, like, straw, but it's, it's sort of shaped like Carmen Sandiego, which, first of all, before we dig in, let's just give it up for Carmen Sandiego. For what she did.

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  This woman would straight up steal the Sphinx. Right from under our noses. She, she would go and steal the Space Needle.

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  Was she, did she have a lasso, or am I just picturing her with one?

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  Um, I think, I think with the hat, mentally, you, you wanna, you wanna place a lasso with it, because it's cowboy.

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  Because she kind of just sort of stood with her hands on her hips and, like, served all around the world?

• 3:26Speaker 02

  Oh, my god. There's, I, I know too much Carmen Sandiego lore.

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  Go on. How do you know too much?

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  I was a big fan of hers.

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  Oh.

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  I was a big fan of the games. I played most of them in my sort of developmental period, when it was from the Learning Company. There's Carmen Sandiego, there's Where in the USA, Where in the World, of course.

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  Okay.

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  Where in Time, which is incredible. I still know all the history.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  I think I also had Where in Time. Did she go back to see the invention of the printing press?

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  You literally talked to Mr. Gutenberg himself.

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  Yeah, you do. Johann.

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  The first one was, you talked to Queen Hep Sheetsit. The second one is, you talked to, um-

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  Yuri Gagarin, who went to space?

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  Yuri Gagarin is the last mission.

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  Okay, yeah.

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  Because that's the eighties.

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  This is crazy. These are the secretaries in our mind, finding the file cabinets.

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  Um, no, the second, the second mission is that you go, because someone has stolen, one of Carmen Sandiego's cronies has stolen-

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  Leonardo da Vinci thing?

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  Well, da Vinci is in it, but the second one is someone stole The Tale of Genji, the first novel ever written in Japan.

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  What? Yes, I remember this. And you had to go through silkworms, right?

• 4:35Speaker 02

  Well, that's, that was Kubla Khan and Marco Polo. That was, that was you being, like, there for the Silk Road.

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  Yes.

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  Like, those games, that game gagged me down.

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  And literally taught the girls. You know what I was gonna ask? I was gonna ask, who wins in a fight to the death, Carmen Sandiego or Lara Croft?

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  Carmen can do things that Lara fucking wishes.

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  Well, she's learned.

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  Carmen is, well, okay, so then, there's those games, and then there's Carmen Sandiego's, uh, Carmen Sandiego and the treasures of time, or something, and the treasures of-

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  Wow, you really stand.

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  Where you, where you play as two Acme agents.

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  Uh huh.

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  One of them is Jules. She was a country Asian in a pixie cut.

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  Yeah.

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  With glasses, with like, wire and like, lesbian, like, sort of like, zillennial, like, Gen Z glasses.

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  Wow, wow, wow.

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  Came out in, like, 2004. But she and Carmen used to be partners.

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  You know what that means?

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  Lesbian.

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  Lovers.

• 5:34Speaker 02

  Well, lovers, for sure. There was that, there was that implied, but it was for kids, so they couldn't go all the way there.

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  Right, right, right. It was implied?

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  It was implied. I feel like, you can, you can project a queerness onto it, but Carmen, but there's the story, the backstory of Carmen, what used to be an Acme agent. And of course, who can forget Lynne Thigpen, the iconic Lynne Thigpen, who was chief of Acme?

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  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Oh, my god, Lynne Thigpen.

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  Lynne Thigpen, like, like, one of the great actors down, like, Shakespeare.

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  Yeah.

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  Like, but then PB, like, then, like-

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  Found her way.

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  Found her way into the Carmen Sandiego universe. Well, she was the host of the TV show.

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  Yes, she was.

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  Um, but of PBS, PBS legend Lynne Thigpen, and then she was in the games. She was in Where in Time as Carmen Sandiego. Oh, my god, I just love Carmen.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Wasn't there supposed to be a Carmen Sandiego film?

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  Show.

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  Or show, or something like that?

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  Yes.

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  Like, I remember hearing years ago that, like, um-

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  They were developing something.

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  Like Gina Rodriguez was doing it.

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  Yes.

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  Wasn't it? And then, and then years ago, I, I think also, but maybe this is just a world where people said shit online and whatever.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  Well, we're in that world now.

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  I know. What was, I, and I don't think this is right, but it was like, Angelina Jolie is gonna play Carmen Sandiego.

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  Well, that's you, kind of linking to Lara Croft.

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  There was a time in our life, in our history, in our pop culture history, when Angelina Jolie was attached to play everyone in every film. Angelina Jolie will play Cleopatra. Angelina Jolie will play Carmen Sandiego. And now it's Scarlett Johansson. Scarlett Johansson is attached to be in the Tower of Terror movie.

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  Right, right, right.

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  Scarlett Johansson is gonna do this. It's like, they can't all do it all. And should they?

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  Scarlett, Scarlett Johansson.

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  I would agree.

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  And I was in a Ritz commercial with her.

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  Oh, yeah.

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  Ritz.

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  See, I mean-

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  Ritz celebrates queer voices.

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  Do you love Ritz?

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  I love Ritz.

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  Yeah.

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  It is the, the thing I'm sure to buy for a vacation, a group vacation.

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  You put a little cheese on it?

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  Doesn't need the cheese, babe. Buttery enough.

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  By itself?

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  I, I eat a Ritz raw.

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  I think that you might be missing out on the experience of, and I'm not saying that what you're, what you're doing isn't good enough.

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  Lack in my Ritz experience. But go on.

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  I'm just saying that when I buy a pound of American cheese.

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  Pound?

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  I, I, I am, you know I'm that person. Like, in my twenties, like, living in wherever the fuck, going into the deli and being like, I guess I'll just have a pound of American cheese.

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  No.

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  Like, down. And I would just eat the cheese.

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  You know, my sister kind of influenced me in a big way, like, right as we were going home for the holidays from college, she'd be like, I'm getting a block of white cheddar, thin cut, at the deli, with Genoa, uh, no, not Genoa, Genoa, Genoa.

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  Genoa.

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  Genoa, Genoa Salami, and just boom, boom, boom. And then I'd be, I'd be posted up at home, watching SVU.

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  Yeah.

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  Eating salami and white American cheese.

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  God.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  I, I'm, I miss being a stoner.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Why, you are?

• 8:46Speaker 02

  No, not anymore.

• 8:47Speaker 01

  You gave it up?

• 8:48Speaker 02

  I can't. While I'm, while I'm doing Broadway, I gave it up.

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  Really? Okay.

• 8:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's too much.

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  Completely. I, I, I toked a little.

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  Toked.

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  I went to, um, I went to the American Ballet Theater Fall Gala.

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  Fabulous.

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  Honoring Cynthia Erivo.

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  That's so Batman-coded.

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  I know. It really was. It was very, like-

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  Like a villain's gonna burst from the ceiling.

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  Yeah.

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  Remember that theme? I miss that Batman theme so bad.

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  This is Adam West era?

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  No, this is the Shoemaker-

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  Oh, Shoemaker, Shoemaker.

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  Era. Loved that theme. I love, those are my favorite Batman movies. The, like, fucking stupid, swishy cape cartoons, zoom in on the nipple, zoom in on Robin's ass. Alicia Silverstone coming in and being like, Uncle Alfred.

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  It's Barbara.

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  It's me, Barbara.

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  That's a great Alicia.

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  She, I don't know what was going on during the making of that film, but-

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  What do you, what do you-

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  She had been better.

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  That's okay.

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  Yeah.

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  They, they had, all, all the actors had been better.

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  Uma.

• 10:12Speaker 02

  Uma was, Uma was best.

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  Uma, like-

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  Arnold was really good, too. I, I'll give it a man.

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  I think Arnold gave it.

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  Arnold really did give it.

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  He gave you exactly what Arnold Schwarzenegger needed to give as Mr. Freeze.

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  Yes.

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  Uma actually gave one of the better comic book movie performances.

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  As I told Lady Freeze when I pulled her plug, this is a one-woman show. Fabulous.

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  I-

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  I die for Uma.

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  She's, it's so funny, out of all like the modern Batman interpret, like she gave the most Eartha Kitt. Even though that's.

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  Yeah, I think that was like part of her.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  I know.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  Poison.

• 10:48Speaker 02

  Poison Ivy. And what does Robin say to her when he like peels the lips off?

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  Rubber lips are immune to your charms.

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  And she goes.

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  And she does what I always want to do in a movie, which is. And push someone down a step.

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  A step?

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  Come on, Bane darling.

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  Yeah.

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  All I want to do is be Poison Ivy. It's the best state of being.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  Bane in that movie was the biggest himbo we've ever gotten.

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  Wasn't crazy about Bane.

• 11:23Speaker 02

  Well, the biggest himbo in all of cinema is Kronk from Emperor's New Groove.

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  Is he the biggest himbo?

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  I think he's one of the biggest himbos. I think Patrick Warburton gives, has played so many great himbos.

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  He's such a himbo in the Soren pre-show.

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  Yeah. Okay, well, anything else to say about Haley Stevens?

• 11:43Speaker 02

  We just kind of moved right past Haley Stevens.

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  Oh, I mean. It.

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  Look.

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  That's. You can't be surprised when someone is, you can look this up. This is kind of what I've always been saying.

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  We don't, yeah.

• 11:57Speaker 01

  You can look up who's bought. You can look up who has a boss.

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  Well, she's, she's, she's a particular case where it's like the most money a pack has ever.

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  It's like this, these people don't have moral convictions. They do, that is not why she's making her decisions. If she, if that was the reason why. She'd be able to explain it concretely. You don't just go back on every single thing you've ever believed.

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  Within eight hours.

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  Right, I mean.

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  Going to sleep on October 31st, waking up on November 1st.

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  Yeah.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  Completely flipping. And it was Anderson Cooper being like, so what changed between you going to bed and telling?

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  Yeah.

• 12:38Speaker 02

  Your colleagues that you were voting, that you were voting for El Sayad and what changed between that and waking up and putting out that and doing the Dutch angle in your car? And.

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  That was a crazy.

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  And she just, she just kept saying. I woke up feeling freshed and I was, I was clear-headed and I wrote down, I journaled. Anderson, I haven't, I haven't made up my mind, but I have made my, my decision.

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  Yeah, she really.

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  What do you mean?

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  And the thing is like her being like, then she came out with a statement that was like, it's sexist to say that my husband is making my decisions or that I'm going through some type of thing. It's like. I mean, it's sexist or it's like empathetic, which she don't really deserve. And if, it's kind of like, it's like, okay, let me just, I hear all the kind. Like ways that you may be looking about this and don't think that. It's like, okay, we won't think that then. You're just a sellout. You're just pathetic. Which everyone with a brain and eyes like kind of already knew, but so many people are not thinking. Like I, this, this idea that.

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  Can you imagine if she had been the nominee? And to know she's capable of this and how close it came. And again, we don't know what happened. But that's where we're at right now. Right now she's just left the polls in a huge hat.

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  For country. She chose country over hate. Which one? Which one?

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  Right.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  Anyway, that's all, that's all we'll say about Haley.

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  It was crazy. I mean, I will say like, um, I, I, it's hard, this, this week I have been watching only.

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  Political content.

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  News and political content, and it's all going to be like not relevant by the time this comes out, but I feel really good. You know, and you know, who's been so incredibly inspiring is Angie Nixon. And my sister lives in Florida and my, obviously with my brother-in-law and. I mean, I just love that every single time she's speaking. She's clearly so in it emotionally and there's just, there is no one who like. Has any stake in what she's doing, except the people that she's working for. You know what I mean? And that's, you can look it up. You, you really can find out. It's pretty easy to find out. I mean, there's at Stocking in the Capital, there's, um.

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  The Political Integrity Project. These are all things that you can follow on social media that are, you know, reputable organizations that do track where people get their money. And that is everything. That is everything.

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  Always has been.

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  Always will be. How are you following the money?

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  Um.

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  What, what do you mean?

• 15:16Speaker 02

  How am I following the money? I mean.

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  Yeah. Grass, grassroots.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Grassroots or?

• 15:26Speaker 02

  Grassroots.

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  The thing is, I'm not gagging for traitors.

• 15:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, I fell off.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  I'm kind of not particularly gagging for traitors.

• 15:34Speaker 02

  We can, should we talk? Okay. Oh, someone at stage door was like, you guys need to do a Salt Lake City recap. I feel like we've done that.

• 15:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, what are the, what are the thoughts about Salt Lake? I mean, like I, I, I hate seeing, I hate seeing Marion and she like miss each other.

• 15:50Speaker 02

  I know.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  Like it feels like.

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  And apparently there was, we're recording this the day before the episode, there was apparently was a big fight between them.

• 15:58Speaker 02

  Those, those are two.

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  Good friends to each other. And, and sometimes what happens in friendships is, is genuine misunderstanding.

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  Yeah.

• 16:06Speaker 02

  And for, for. For a true friendship, I think there is potential for that to be healed.

• 16:12Speaker 01

  I have been waiting for them to just talk to each other and that is not happening. They just kind of keep like. Assuming some things about the other and like when Angie was like, um. She was like, I'm going through so much right now, but I just don't want to tell Mary that because of what she's going through. And you, then they cut to Mira's confessional and all she says is, I just want her to talk to me like a real person. Like I can tell she's being stupid and being silly and I don't like that. I wish she would talk to me about like real things. And so you just see them like. Wanting the same thing, but like not. Which I think can happen in close friendships because you want to protect each other.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:50Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? It's like, the last thing that you want to do is upset your close friend. I mean, that's happened with us a lot.

• 16:56Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 16:57Speaker 01

  We're like, our problem is that something was just not said and it could have easily been said and avoided, but like things just sit and fester and then.

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  It is.

• 17:10Speaker 02

  Hard to express things. I know that sounds silly.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  What do you want to express to me?

• 17:17Speaker 01

  Is there anything on the emotional docket for you?

• 17:19Speaker 02

  No, I just.

• 17:22Speaker 01

  I feel we've been expressing.

• 17:23Speaker 02

  We've been expressing. I, I love you so much. I feel like I've been in dialogue with you in other areas of my life where we're. I'm looking at your writing and putting stuff in and I'm going, oh my God, Matt's so smart. Like Matt's so good at this thing and this thing and this thing.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  You think that?

• 17:38Speaker 02

  I always, always say, God, I always say what a genius you are.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  You never said that before.

• 17:45Speaker 01

  Talk to me about what it's like to be single in Brooklyn.

• 17:51Speaker 02

  It's fine.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 17:54Speaker 02

  I think it's fine. Yeah. Are you, are you trying to elicit something out of me that like that I don't?

• 17:59Speaker 01

  No, I, I am not. I guess my thing is I'm single in Manhattan.

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  Oh, yeah.

• 18:05Speaker 01

  And you're single in Brooklyn.

• 18:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  And I wonder if that's a show.

• 18:10Speaker 02

  I.

• 18:13Speaker 02

  I'm just, this is my thing. Have I been making too many excuses for it being the right time?

• 18:21Speaker 01

  Um.

• 18:21Speaker 02

  Cause I, I always rule out the summer because no one wants to date in the summer.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Well, that's not really true.

• 18:26Speaker 02

  Everyone wants to hook up and have fun.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  Maybe in a certain pool of people.

• 18:30Speaker 02

  And it's sure, but I feel like in, in general amongst like, let's say gay Brooklynites. It's like. Everyone's away. You can't, it's just logistically, it's hard to like connect.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:43Speaker 02

  Like, oh, I'm out of town this weekend and then you're out of town that weekend and oh man, um.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  Well, I love what you told me the other night about like.

• 18:51Speaker 01

  Not naming any names, but like you made out with someone on the dance floor and it like pulled away and both of you both had the same reaction, which was like. Nah.

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  I love that.

• 19:02Speaker 01

  You know what? Love you, but nah.

• 19:06Speaker 02

  Oh. Yeah. It, it actually. Ironically, it makes me more like.

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  Closer to them.

• 19:14Speaker 02

  Or I'm just like, oh wait, I like that.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, love that. Love that nah.

• 19:19Speaker 02

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• 21:47Speaker 01

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• 22:30Speaker 01

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• 22:34Speaker 02

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• 22:47Speaker 01

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• 22:56Speaker 02

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• 22:56Speaker 01

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• 22:57Speaker 02

  Just head to getprepwisdom.com to learn what to ask your doctor. That's getprepwisdom.com. What's dating in Manhattan like?

• 23:06Speaker 01

  Dating in Manhattan is silly. I have had two things recently, because I've been dating around, and I've had two things recently peter out, but it's been no big deal. And I'm like in a moment right now where I'm sort of starting to like chill a little bit with all of it, because I'm about to get busy for the season.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  So, but I have, I've had the thing that I've been wanting for a long time, which is to like have my apartment in New York and like be able to like play the field a little bit. I remember last year when I was in a relationship, I felt like I got my apartment, and then I immediately got into a relationship. And I was excited about being in it, but I also was mourning a little bit, like, ah, it would have been fun to be single, it would have been fun to go out and do whatever. But I kind of just told myself, like, I have a good situation and I like being in it.

• 23:58Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 23:58Speaker 01

  And so now that that's like petered out in like a natural way.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  I'm now kind of like, you know, I'm, I'm...

• 24:08Speaker 01

  You know, I found out that we're the same age as the Sex and the City women when the show started.

• 24:12Speaker 02

  That's fabulous.

• 24:13Speaker 01

  I know.

• 24:13Speaker 02

  We have six more years.

• 24:15Speaker 01

  It actually made me, it made me, and we have six more years until we're too old for the industry. It actually made me feel young. Does that feel, does that make sense?

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  Because it's like, I feel like you watch TV now and, like, do you ever watch a show and it's people in college? And you're like, these people are older than me. Like, just your, your natural thing is to be like, I'm watching people in college, they're old. You know what I mean? Like Jared has been re-watching Felicity.

• 24:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:45Speaker 01

  And it's like, you watch Felicity and you're like, oh my god, they're in college, they're like doing it.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  But they're, they're acting, they're behaving like Gen Xers.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  Exactly. Like, it's like, it's, right. Um, but also, I guess what I mean is like, sometimes I watch TV now, and I'll be watching it from a certain point of view, and then they'll say their age. And I'm like, oh my god, the people in this show are nine years younger than me.

• 25:08Speaker 02

  Oh, I might.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  And I'll be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  That happened with adults where I'm like, right, this is not, I'm officially not in the sort of zone of this show.

• 25:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 25:18Speaker 02

  Narratively, and that's, and it was great.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  Well, it's also...

• 25:21Speaker 02

  It's kind of liberating.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  You know how they say like, um, the 18 to 35 demographic?

• 25:25Speaker 02

  We're out of that.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  That's scary to be out of that.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  We're still in, we're still in 18 to 49, it's okay.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Right, okay, it's 18 to 49, right? That's like, that's the demographic.

• 25:33Speaker 02

  18 to 35 is maybe another, is another breakdown of that.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  You know what? A lot of demographic quizzes end at 35.

• 25:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  Which makes you feel very much older than 35 when you're 36.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah, it is 18 to 49.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you're not even 36 yet.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  I will be by the time this episode comes out.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh, birthday week! You're so low-key about it.

• 25:55Speaker 02

  I don't care for my birthday.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  I knew that about you. Okay, so I'm just gonna reveal something to you. I was group-texted by one Michelle Kung.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 26:04Speaker 01

  To me and Jared Frieder.

• 26:06Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  And she said, you know, birthdays, birthdays, Bowen is coming up.

• 26:10Speaker 02

  Born is coming.

• 26:11Speaker 01

  Bowen's birthday is coming up, and...

• 26:13Speaker 02

  She didn't believe it when you guys were like, he doesn't?

• 26:15Speaker 01

  Well, no, and she was like, maybe we'll do like some sort of surprise thing. And I was like, I don't think he like loves surprises.

• 26:21Speaker 02

  No, I don't like that.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  And, and Jared goes, well, yeah, maybe we can do something, because he's always been working. And I just said, I would argue that he's working now.

• 26:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  I would throw out that Bowen Yang is currently employed.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  No, please.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  You don't want to do anything?

• 26:37Speaker 02

  No.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  What about something just like small with me? What if we come, I come over, we play video games, we play Kingdom Hearts?

• 26:42Speaker 02

  Well, this is a great segue into huge development.

• 26:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:46Speaker 02

  Which is what you told me yesterday.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  I was gonna use it as a surprise for this episode, and then I was like, stop centering yourself, like, stop eventizing the fact that you like did the bare minimum. I gotta switch too.

• 27:02Speaker 01

  Thank you guys so much. I actually went into the Best Buy itself.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  Amazing brick and mortar!

• 27:07Speaker 01

  I felt like I was, I felt like I was 22, walking into the Best Buy Union Square.

• 27:15Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  Oh my god, there was a silent rave across the street.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Like, I was gonna go buy the compact disc of Rihanna's Loud album.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  Oh, Loud.

• 27:25Speaker 01

  Literally, like, I was like back in time in the Best Buy. Everyone in there, amazing.

• 27:31Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 27:32Speaker 01

  Like, so happy, wanted to help me.

• 27:37Speaker 02

  Best Buy lives in like a parallel timeline. Where like, thank god this still exists.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  It lives in a timeline with Pinkberry.

• 27:44Speaker 02

  Which is, Froyo is back.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  I am so excited about Big Froyo.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  Do you remember the vibes and the prestige and the chicness around the St. Mark's Pinkberry in 2008?

• 28:02Speaker 01

  Well, yes, and I felt...

• 28:04Speaker 02

  Because you guys, you guys would do dorm, like floor field trips there.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  To Pinkberry, yeah. But then it got, it got sort of fucked over by, say it with me, 16 Handles. 16 Handles, when 16 Handles came on the scene, New York changed.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  And I hate a pun name.

• 28:21Speaker 01

  I didn't, but you know what, but you know what I love? 16 Flavors. That's a lot of flavors.

• 28:27Speaker 02

  Self-serve, 16 flavors.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  The environment, the community-based environment in a 16 Handles is not one that you were getting at Pinkberry. And also, Pinkberry sort of, you know, also very attached to the tabloid culture at the time of the aughts, because I feel like...

• 28:44Speaker 02

  It was like Perez Hilton-y.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  It was always like Perez Hilton reports that like Lindsay Lohan was seen at a Pinkberry, like flipping off the paparazzi. And it was like, so Pinkberry had a very, it was, it's like stamped in time in a way that at least, you know, at that moment, like other Froyo places were able to come in and sort of take the mantle, right?

• 29:02Speaker 02

  There was Red Mango.

• 29:03Speaker 01

  Red Mango was good.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Red Mango was good.

• 29:06Speaker 01

  While we're talking about all these like places that we could go to when we were in, um...

• 29:10Speaker 02

  College.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  New York in college. Did you ever order from Smack?

• 29:16Speaker 02

  I...

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Girl.

• 29:18Speaker 02

  Cannot believe you just said Smack.

• 29:21Speaker 01

  Smack was smack slapped.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  S apostrophe M A C. Just mac and cheese.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  It was like, but it was so many...

• 29:30Speaker 02

  It was different kinds of mac and cheese.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  I would get, of course, buffalo sauce, blue cheese crumbles.

• 29:35Speaker 02

  So good.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  I am hungry now! Wait, literally, oh my god, Smack was everything.

• 29:43Speaker 02

  Smack was on what, like 10th or 9th?

• 29:45Speaker 01

  It was right by, you know where it was right by? Which still stands? Sundays and cones.

• 29:51Speaker 02

  Sundays and cones?

• 29:52Speaker 01

  Sundays and cones.

• 29:53Speaker 02

  I, I was with someone the other day, hit a solo, and we drove past on the way to the haunted house.

• 30:03Speaker 01

  You have to talk about this.

• 30:04Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah, I'll talk about that.

• 30:04Speaker 01

  Blood Manor.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  On the way to Blood Manor, after, after a two-show Sunday, we were driving down Broadway, downtown. To see Cozy Supenburger closed is...

• 30:15Speaker 01

  It's so hard.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  So devastating.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  I know, especially in this time when, we're without Vapiano, or without Cozy Supenburger, where... Oh my god, wait, you mean the...

• 30:26Speaker 01

  I saw this too, the diner.

• 30:28Speaker 02

  The diner.

• 30:28Speaker 01

  Next to Tish. That really sucked.

• 30:31Speaker 02

  It's so sad.

• 30:32Speaker 01

  That was sad, because the same guys had been working there for like 20 years.

• 30:37Speaker 02

  And that was where I had my immediate heel turn from deep depression after graduating, listening to School and Life by Beyoncé.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  At the Cozy Supenburger?

• 30:47Speaker 02

  It was walking past the Cozy Supenburger, where I was like, I guess I'm moving home, and I guess my life is over, and I guess I'm not gonna amount to anything. Stop living in regret, baby, it's not over yet.

• 30:56Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:58Speaker 02

  Beyonce got me together.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  That is literally why we'll always be New Yorkers.

• 31:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  Because like every street corner has something like that.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  Every memory, a street corner.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  I mean, when I came back from the, um, like when I came back to New York after being away during the pandemic, it was raining and I walked around and it was so giving as if we never said goodbye. Every single street corner, I was like, made out with that random guy here.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 31:26Speaker 01

  Had a fight with my friend here.

• 31:28Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  Lived there, also lived there, worked there, did a weird random study at like the, at this NYU like, uh, like medical thing for thirty bucks there. Like it was just like so many different like stupid little memories. And then they take away the cozy soup and burger where Bowen Yang listened to School and Life.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  It's so sad.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  It's so sad.

• 31:54Speaker 02

  But, but you know, this is, this is what, this is what city living is. You watch it change.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah, I guess it is. And then it's, it's, it's so. Those little places that are still there, like it is like a warm little hug.

• 32:09Speaker 02

  I, I think so. Oh, but you thought I was talking about cozy.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  I thought you were making a joke, like the way we miss like Vapiano, even though it's a chain. I thought you were talking about COSI.

• 32:19Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  But you literally meant cozy soup and burger.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  I also miss Cosi.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  Cause they had great sandwiches. They had great paninis there. I miss, oh my God, what was that yellow place that had soup?

• 32:32Speaker 01

  Yellow place that had soup?

• 32:34Speaker 02

  Yellow onings. There were multiple locations. It was Melissa. Huh?

• 32:40Speaker 01

  Lemonada?

• 32:40Speaker 02

  No. Melissa, do you remember on, on, on Eighth Street? So like past, so like across, so there's no more, there's no more familiar pizza there, but like if you would walk across the street, oh my God, anyway.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  Dojo.

• 32:51Speaker 02

  Not Dojo.

• 32:51Speaker 01

  Oh, I loved Dojo.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  Cafetasia.

• 32:54Speaker 01

  Cafetasia's gone too.

• 32:56Speaker 02

  Cafetasia has been gone.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  Cafetasia, it's all gone. It's all gone. Do you guys know Cafetasia? We, oh Cafetasia was really good ties.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  Was the one.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  It was good. Dojo was hard to lose. I went on dates at To- one.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  You, you get, you told us a story about David Duchovny at Do- at Dojo.

• 33:16Speaker 01

  Uh, Dojo, yes. And then there was another one, Brad's.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  Brad's. We would go there after Pop Rula.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  Brad's, we would go to all the time. It was by, um, Tish. It was on like, it was on.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  Two blocks down from like Downstein or whatever.

• 33:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I, I went to dates, I went on dates at Brad's. I took a guy for drinks at Brad's who was like six or seven years older than me. And I, I showed up, he showed up in a tank top. He was like a cool, older gay guy. And I was like, I literally wore, I wore a sweat, like a sweater over a button down. You know what I mean? And he walked in and I remember he just looked at me like, and he kind of laughed. And I, I was like, oh, I was like, oh, maybe he, uh, is making fun of me. I was like, hey, ready to be on the date, like 22. I was like, hey, like I, I dressed up nice for a date. And he's like a cool gay guy who was like 28. And then he,

• 34:11Speaker 01

  we had such incredible sex. And it was like, I was like, wow, like this is it.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  New York.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  And then we had one more date. And I think, uh, I remember he showed up in like a casual T-shirt and a backwards hat. And I was like, again, in like a full outfit. And he was like, this isn't cute anymore. It was like, this person like doesn't know how to dress and isn't, doesn't know who he is and.

• 34:36Speaker 02

  And look where you are now.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  I hope he's doing really well. He's a chiropractor on Instagram now. He's always going.

• 34:44Speaker 01

  To guys' backs.

• 34:46Speaker 02

  Someone said.

• 34:49Speaker 02

  You know how to tell? That someone?

• 34:55Speaker 02

  Is right on the edge of the manosphere is if you look at their follows and it's all chiropractor.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  Because it's a pseudoscience?

• 35:04Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't know. Let's not go there.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  We don't have to go there. I mean, like the world already has. I, I'm not the one calling it a pseudoscience.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  We're certainly not the ones calling it a pseudoscience.

• 35:12Speaker 01

  I would love to go. I would love to go see a chiropractor. I don't want them to fuck me up now that I just said that.

• 35:17Speaker 02

  I was over here being like homeopathies is bullshit. I'm taking wellness formula every day. Like who, who am I to say?

• 35:25Speaker 01

  You're pro drugs.

• 35:27Speaker 02

  Uh, pro like pharma?

• 35:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:30Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, but just if I need an Advil. I mean, there are, there are, I've dated guys who are like, well, each Advil takes like a liter of blood out of your stomach. And I'm like, all right, let's cool it.

• 35:40Speaker 01

  Literally was one time talking to someone who was one of the crazier people I had ever talked to. And they were like, very, very, very, very anti any pain reliever.

• 35:52Speaker 02

  Right. Which was, which was like very adjacent to them being like blockchain, crypto, like all that. Yeah.

• 35:57Speaker 01

  I guess I just didn't realize how much, how, how many people believed that like, you know, that, that like, but also I grew up in a, in like a sort of environment where it was like, oh, give him a Z-Pak.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  Right. And I grew up in an environment where it was like, we need to try this, we need to go to Chinatown and buy this herbal supplement. Like the, the, the TCM, like ginseng root.

• 36:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:28Speaker 02

  Like.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  And did, were your headaches relieved by that stuff?

• 36:31Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  Yeah?

• 36:32Speaker 02

  I'm taking Paypaco every day right now.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 36:35Speaker 02

  Which is for the vocal cords.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  Which Cynthia Revo loves, which Zayn loves.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  It was funny that you, you mentioned Zayn because I was thinking about Sunday and Cones. The last time I was at Sunday's, Sunday and Cones, I was on a date with Zayn Phillips.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 36:51Speaker 01

  We were on like a sweet little, like we were shooting Fire Island date.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  Cute.

• 36:56Speaker 01

  And now he's on Broadway.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  Well, this is the thing is like, Zayn Phillips and Matt Rogers. Both little sweeties.

• 37:03Speaker 01

  We were a showmance. Not a showmance because it was a real thing, but we were.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  They still call it a showmance, but, um.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  Oh, is that what that's called? Is that a real, that's a situation ship.

• 37:11Speaker 02

  I don't know about that.

• 37:14Speaker 01

  Show, yeah, because it's a situation that creates a relationship.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  Of course, of course. Um, Zayn.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. Zayn, Zayn is ultimately a little sweetie.

• 37:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. And he's also.

• 37:25Speaker 02

  People, you look at him and you go, that's pure sex, but he's, he's mostly.

• 37:28Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, it's always been funny with him because the thing that it's giving is so, like he.

• 37:33Speaker 02

  I know.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  He, I will always.

• 37:34Speaker 02

  He wants to read a book.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  Always will remember him reading a book, drinking always a hot coffee.

• 37:39Speaker 02

  So cute.

• 37:40Speaker 01

  Like just sitting out, outside of our trailers. Like he would be, I would go meet him out and we would sit on the bench and like, whatever. And like get ready to, for the day. And he would be drinking a hot coffee and reading the newspaper. He loved the crossword. Like he was that.

• 37:55Speaker 02

  He's like a cartoon, like he's like the sleepy time bear.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I remember one time we were at, we were at like a bar, we were at like a tiki bar in Williamsburg. I don't know. There's, there's probably not that many. If people come up and figure out which one it was, it was like a full tiki bar in Williamsburg. And he was talking, we were still getting to know each other and he was talking about theater. And he out of nowhere just starts performing. And I was like, because people were looking like, and it was so unlike him to do that. But that is who he is, like in his art. And so the, now that he's in the Fantastics on Broadway, I can't wait to go. Cause I know he's like, I texted him and I was like, I just feel like this is what you've always wanted because it, it is.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  But yeah, no, I'm, I'm really happy for him.

• 38:42Speaker 02

  Other, other favorite NYU, before we talk video games, other, other NYU, because, because we're just on a huge tangent from Best Buy.

• 38:49Speaker 01

  Well, Best Buy is NYU and that's a real culture number 80. Best Buy is NYU. Except they let you go in there and use the wifi.

• 38:58Speaker 02

  Well, remember when, um.

• 38:59Speaker 01

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• 42:59Speaker 01

  Yes, I wanted a physical copy.

• 43:00Speaker 02

  So, just to, just to, just to really break it down for you.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  Kingdom Hearts one through three is, how many games do you think that is?

• 43:08Speaker 01

  How many games do I think Kingdom Hearts one through three is?

• 43:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Three.

• 43:12Speaker 02

  It is at least seven.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  And that is what I want to prepare you for. I want to prepare you for this. It is one of the most, the reason why there was an impassioned fanbase around Kingdom Hearts, besides the fact that it's a fun series of video games. It is one of the most convoluted,

• 43:33Speaker 02

  narratively insane things that has ever been made.

• 43:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:39Speaker 02

  So there's Kingdom Hearts one.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:42Speaker 02

  There is an interstitial sequel called Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  I like that. It's sort of like Rogue One.

• 43:50Speaker 02

  A little bit, in that you have to, you kind of have to play that. I actually think you can skip it, but you should play that before you play Kingdom Hearts two.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  So I won't skip it.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Definitively tell me what to do.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  I want you to get through Kingdom Hearts one as much as you can. That will be one of the, that is kind of the hardest game in terms of gameplay experience, because it is one of the first games, 3D action RPG games that was trying to figure out the camera system. And that is what you have historically struggled with the most, which is using the right joystick to adjust the camera.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  That's hard for me, but I can learn.

• 44:29Speaker 02

  And you will learn, and you just have to be patient with it, you will explore, you will get to fight, you will get to fight alongside so many amazing people.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  I'm excited. So, so your birthday is, is coming up, and where should I be for your birthday day? What, what do you want to play with me on your birthday day?

• 44:51Speaker 02

  Oh, that's so sweet.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  That I should be caught up? And can you play two players?

• 44:54Speaker 02

  You cannot play two players on Kingdom Hearts.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  Oh, so it kind of would just be like me watching you play?

• 44:58Speaker 02

  I think you and I can play It Takes Two.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  We could do that?

• 45:01Speaker 02

  We can play Jared and I beat Split Fiction fairly recently.

• 45:05Speaker 01

  I, I was so proud of you guys when I heard that.

• 45:07Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  Well, we played Split Fiction together.

• 45:09Speaker 02

  We did, we did.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  I liked that, conceptually, that game.

• 45:13Speaker 02

  There's lots of games like that, where you and I, it's co-op, we call it the couch co-op.

• 45:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I also do like Mario Party.

• 45:20Speaker 02

  You love Mario Party. I think that is, that is your anchor. You will always love a cute, fun, whimsical little game.

• 45:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like comedy.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:31Speaker 02

  So in that.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  Me on a date. Someone asked me, what do you like? Um, I like comedy and movies. I enjoy, um, time with friends. Music, sometimes.

• 45:46Speaker 02

  I think in that vein, you would love.

• 45:48Speaker 01

  Eating.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  Um, you would love.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Sleep.

• 45:55Speaker 02

  I think you would love a lot of games.

• 45:59Speaker 02

  Doja Cat has been playing Final Fantasy XIV, much like me.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  It's a crime to be gorgeous. Underrated song.

• 46:06Speaker 02

  So underrated.

• 46:09Speaker 02

  There's so many, so many avenues to get, what's your ideal experience? You like comedy?

• 46:13Speaker 01

  Well, you, the one you've been talking about non-stop is Kingdom Hearts two.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  And so you do need to play one to get to that.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  And so what I looked up was it should take me about 24 to 36 hours to get through Kingdom Hearts one.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  And for the amount of Survivor you've watched, I think that is relatively doable.

• 46:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  It's like, that's, that's like, that's like.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  When I put my mind to it, I can waste a lot of time.

• 46:36Speaker 02

  That's like a season and a half of Survivor.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  Hundred percent. Well, it's about two seasons of Survivor, actually.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  In current, in current episode order.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Well, yes, because they're, they're very long.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  They're very long.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  But yeah, I can, I, I, I think I have time. Do I have time this week to do that?

• 46:51Speaker 02

  No, you're not gonna finish Kingdom Hearts one in a weekend. It's just not that kind of game.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  I think what will happen is, so I have something to do after this, I'm doing the show Gadar.

• 47:00Speaker 02

  Oh, so fun.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  And with Ananaya.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  Ananaya, the icon.

• 47:03Speaker 01

  And then afterwards, I am gonna go home and probably around that time, we'll see like, like results start to come in.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  Yes, and you know, you're gonna be glued to the TV.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  So, yeah, I probably will. Thursday, I'm free? Okay, yeah, Thursday is my me day. So that'll be my day that I really go off.

• 47:19Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  All I have on Thursday is therapy.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  Amazing. I think you should, gosh, what are some, do we have any opinions from, from everybody in the room? Video game opinions for what match you play? I just feel like it should be like, I think you should play something girly and fun, too.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  I love an RPG, I love like a faggy RPG, like I love like Mario RPG. I love that little cloud.

• 47:46Speaker 02

  You, I think you should play, I think this is actually, so this is, this is one of the hugest months in gaming. We have the Ocarina of Time remake coming out.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  Wow, is that what you were talking about? Ocarina of Time?

• 47:59Speaker 02

  There's the remake of the 1964 classic, Ocarina of Time.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  I even played Ocarina of Time.

• 48:03Speaker 02

  I think you should play that.

• 48:05Speaker 01

  Because that was back in the day on 1964, this is like, what, 96, 97, where they only had like four games at the beginning?

• 48:11Speaker 02

  Right, and Ocarina of Time is, it's, if you think of it like an escape room, it is you solving puzzles and dungeons, trying to get to.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  Let's do an escape room soon. Can we go to an escape room for your birthday?

• 48:23Speaker 02

  I, I don't have the time.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 48:26Speaker 02

  I, we can, we can, Monday, maybe? Monday?

• 48:33Speaker 02

  Again, my birthday?

• 48:37Speaker 02

  And.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  Well, all you, you want to stay home and just have a chill day?

• 48:42Speaker 02

  I, yes.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  Of course, I know. I know.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  Um, Ocarina of Time, I think Grand Theft Auto VI is coming out.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  That's interesting.

• 48:50Speaker 02

  But that's for PS5.

• 48:53Speaker 02

  Which you can get.

• 48:54Speaker 01

  I will say this. Kind of have always loved Grand Theft Auto.

• 48:58Speaker 02

  This is.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  Kind of love being a little bad boy on the streets.

• 49:01Speaker 02

  Well, this is one of, this is, it's Bonnie and Clyde, you play a couple.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  What work.

• 49:06Speaker 02

  You switch between the woman and the man.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  Can I be the woman the whole time?

• 49:11Speaker 02

  I think so, I think you do have to play, the game does force you, it's open world, it's sandbox, so you do, you do whatever you want.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  I am so gig I coded, gotta play a woman, can't play a man. I play a man every day of my life, I'm in here, first person.

• 49:25Speaker 02

  But you, you're gonna like this guy, because you can, you can go and work, make him work out and make him look really hot, and you see him naked.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  Okay, that's cool.

• 49:31Speaker 02

  So, um, but there are amazing, so you know, there's radio stations in Grand Theft Auto.

• 49:36Speaker 01

  You can see him naked in Grand Theft Auto?

• 49:39Speaker 02

  And the trailer that pans out, you're like, well, there you go, like, that's, that's for the gays. Because there are, there's a lot of gay guy GTA fans.

• 49:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  And the radio station hosts. Lana Del Rey. Hosts.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  Lana Del Rey?

• 49:54Speaker 02

  Robin is the host, I think Robin playing a character is hosting the dance, uh, album.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  You know that Lana Del Rey got in the booth, they were, they invited Lana Del Rey to do a voice, and she was like, I honestly can retire now.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  This is what I've been waiting for. She's always talking about being like, fuck me to death, love me until I love myself.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  Well, this is, this is.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  There's a tunnel under Ocean Boulevard.

• 50:22Speaker 02

  Her first big song was literally called Video Games.

• 50:24Speaker 01

  This is exactly what Lana's brand is.

• 50:26Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 50:27Speaker 01

  Grand Theft Auto.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  Grand Theft Auto. It takes place in Vice City, which is, as you know, Miami.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:33Speaker 02

  Like, they've basically like.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  Vice City.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  They've made it Miami.

• 50:38Speaker 01

  You know what would no one would see coming from us? We do the Grand Theft Auto movie.

• 50:44Speaker 02

  I have ideas.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  I bet.

• 50:48Speaker 02

  There was, there was a game for Game Boy Advance, or a DS called Grand Theft Auto Chinatown Wars.

• 50:53Speaker 01

  What?

• 50:54Speaker 02

  And it was one of the highest rated Grand Theft Auto games, very underrated, people sleep on it.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  What do you think is the best video game of all time? You say, um, Breath of the Wild?

• 51:03Speaker 02

  Tears of the Kingdom, I think, which I think you would, I think you should play Ocarina of Time and Breath of the Wild. Tears of the Kingdom has made me sob at the airport when I first.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  Really?

• 51:14Speaker 02

  It's just the most beautiful ending.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  Because Link comes out?

• 51:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Is he mute?

• 51:20Speaker 02

  He doesn't, he goes, huh, huh.

• 51:22Speaker 01

  Well, I know that. So he has the ability to make sounds.

• 51:25Speaker 02

  He's never spoken in any of the games.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. Remember that one?

• 51:28Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Hey, listen. Meanwhile, Peach is like, oh. Oh.

• 51:38Speaker 02

  There's a Peach, you would love the Peach game.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  Oh, there is?

• 51:43Speaker 02

  There's a Princess Peach, um, and, and the whole thing is that she's putting on a performance, a play, and you go through different worlds because it's all theater.

• 51:49Speaker 01

  She acts?

• 51:50Speaker 02

  She's an actress. You would love this game. Okay, that's, we found it. That's what you should play.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  Okay, Peach, what's the name of the game?

• 51:57Speaker 02

  It's called Peach, um, Showtime or something.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  Peach Showtime?

• 52:01Speaker 02

  You're gonna, you're gonna love it. I'm gonna buy you that for my birthday.

• 52:05Speaker 01

  Peach Showtime? Is she good? Is she talented?

• 52:09Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

• 52:12Speaker 01

  Compare her to a pop girl. Or an actress.

• 52:17Speaker 02

  Sabrina Carpenter.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  Love her.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  I think Peach is giving Sabrina.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  Um, and then fun girly faggy game for you.

• 52:29Speaker 02

  I don't know. I think, I think it's a great time.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  I think I have a good, I have a good.

• 52:32Speaker 02

  But Kingdom Hearts is literally like, it's so you.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:36Speaker 02

  And like, I mean, it's just, it's, it's, it's crazy. It's just go, just go with it. It's camp.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  I can't wait. My plan today is to check in with what's happening as to not overwhelm myself. You know what I've traditionally done on the midterms, and I am a superstitious person. Um, so I've kind of, it went well. Do you remember the year? I believe it was, actually, it was 2018.

• 53:03Speaker 02

  Blue, blue wave.

• 53:04Speaker 01

  Blue wave. I had drank a bottle of red wine in my tiny, tiny Greenpoint apartment on Box Street, my box on Box. And I took a bottle of red wine to the face because it looked like it was going in a bad direction, woke up very hungover because I had drank a bottle of red wine.

• 53:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:27Speaker 01

  It's at the time when I could do that.

• 53:29Speaker 02

  AOC is elected.

• 53:30Speaker 01

  She knocked down the house.

• 53:33Speaker 01

  Um, Cori Bush, we still, I hope she runs every time.

• 53:38Speaker 02

  Cori, keep running. It's not okay what they did.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  No, it's not. Anyway, so now I thought to myself, like, maybe I should buy a bottle of red wine for tonight's midterms. But I don't drink like that by myself anymore.

• 53:51Speaker 02

  No, you can't. That was, you're talking about something that was eight years ago.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  Melissa won't even let me get a bar cart as decoration. She says, we don't drink in the house. That's my impression of her.

• 54:02Speaker 02

  I will say, I don't, I, I never touched my bar. Bar carts also feel very 10 years ago.

• 54:08Speaker 01

  I met Lacey Chabert.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  Loved her. She was so sweet and so Hallmark.

• 54:15Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  So she has a Hallmark movie coming out?

• 54:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  They shot it in Disney World and she lived at the Adamler Kingdom Lodge for a month.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  You are kidding me.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  Can you just imagine, like, Lacey Chabert, delightful, like, waking up, like, looking out the window, oh, her friends, the giraffes. Then she goes to set, which is at Epcot. It's called like a Hallmark, it's a Hallmark film and it's like, not this, but it's like a Disney dream wish, you know, something. But it's a Hallmark romantic comedy starring Lacey in Disney World. You know, my parents were also huge fans of Party of Five.

• 54:59Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 55:00Speaker 01

  Which was Lacey's big break.

• 55:01Speaker 02

  Yes, I remember.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  It was the fir-, it was the first show that would come on and my parents would like send me out. They're like, you can't be here for this. Like, this is Party of Five. This is the real shit.

• 55:13Speaker 02

  My God.

• 55:14Speaker 01

  Matthew Fox, Neve Campbell, Lacey Chabert.

• 55:17Speaker 02

  And then.

• 55:19Speaker 01

  I'm sure two others because it was a.

• 55:20Speaker 02

  Jennifer Love Hewitt? No, no, no.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  Was Jennifer Love Hewitt Party of Five?

• 55:24Speaker 02

  Jennifer Love Hewitt.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  This was, this was stacked.

• 55:27Speaker 02

  Um, and as we've said before, Mean Girls does not work without that Gretchen performance.

• 55:33Speaker 01

  No, I told her. I was like, well, I didn't tell her that way, but I was like, my favorite, I was like, I think if you really asked millennial women, like, how much of the, and gay guys, how much of the Stab Caesar monologue do you know? We all know a lot more.

• 55:50Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:52Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  Maybe not right now, but I'm, I'm trying to, because I feel like I just set us up to know it, but I don't.

• 55:57Speaker 02

  Brutus is just as hot as Caesar.

• 55:59Speaker 01

  Brutus is just as cute as Caesar.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  And when did it become okay for Caesar to become the boss of everybody, huh? Because that's, that's not what Rome was about.

• 56:06Speaker 01

  That's not what Rome was about.

• 56:07Speaker 02

  He was totally just a stab.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  Stab Caesar!

• 56:09Speaker 02

  I mean, just the, the line read on.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  Brutus is just as cute as Caesar.

• 56:15Speaker 02

  We want you to sit with us every day for the rest of the week.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  So then Lacey tells me, oh, my gosh, she said all this on the show, but I don't know what they'll keep. I'm gonna say it. She goes, the Caesar monologue was my audition monologue, so I will remember it forever. And I was like, of course, that was the audition monologue.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  Makes perfect sense. Makes perfect sense.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  It's so interesting to watch iconic performances of people that like had a breakout role and think, what was the audition scene? Like, the most famous, one of the more famous audition scenes is The Notebook. Not just Rachel McAdams slaying it, but also Britney Spears doing it.

• 56:48Speaker 02

  Yes. Britney was really good.

• 56:50Speaker 01

  She was great.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  She was so fucking good. Just, oh.

• 56:55Speaker 01

  She, Britney had sort of had that pop star thing, which they all kind of have across the board, which is a little bit of too much awareness of like, I'm a pop star and I'm pretty.

• 57:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 57:07Speaker 01

  But like, I, I think, I think had she got, like, they all are such incredible magnetic performers anyway. Like, when they really break it down, they can find.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 57:17Speaker 01

  But it's like, all pop stars, like, it's hard for them to shed that last, that last veneer.

• 57:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. Did you see, did you see Send Help?

• 57:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 57:29Speaker 02

  You have to.

• 57:31Speaker 01

  I mean, I love him too.

• 57:32Speaker 02

  Well, they're both incredible.

• 57:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 57:35Speaker 02

  Just to start, just to take.

• 57:36Speaker 01

  No, I know, I know. I know Send Help was.

• 57:39Speaker 02

  It's not scary. No, it's basically like an episode of Survivor.

• 57:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. And also, like, I don't mind gore when it's funny.

• 57:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, and there's not even that much gore.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  You know what I realized? For me, it's just like realistic brutal violence and, and stuff that feels like needlessly cruel.

• 57:57Speaker 02

  It's not needless.

• 57:58Speaker 01

  That's, that's what I don't like. So, but, but like, I can, I mean, I loved The Substance.

• 58:05Speaker 01

  Ever wondered how to cruise? And I'm not talking about boats. Season four of Sniffy's Cruising Confessions is finally here and it's hotter, smarter, and spicier than ever.

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  And I meant to bring this up when Patty Harrison was on. We just recorded our Christmas episode with Patty Harrison. Not gonna come out for another month and a half, but it was.

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  Yeah.

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  But there used to be a time in video games when they were more tied in with TV shows and films, right? Like, remember there were like, there would be five different games for each Harry Potter movie based on the console?

• 1:02:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  There used to be, and I wish they would bring this back, The Grey's Anatomy video game.

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  What?

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  Where you would like do like, you would like make choice, it'd be like a dating simulator, and then you would do surgery.

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  Oh, that's funny.

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  You know what I mean? Like, we just don't have that anymore. Like, we don't have like tie-ins.

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  I love that they, that they tied in how much dating it was.

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  Yeah.

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  I'll never forget watching that show with my mother when I was like 15 and her, she, she, she's like, this is my mom watching Grey's Anatomy.

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  It's racy.

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  You know what? I don't like this show. This one's dating that one, that one's now dating this one. It's ridiculous. She was just dating that one. And now he's with her? It's ridiculous. I just wanna see them do the doctor.

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  I just, I just don't believe it. It's always sex and kissing. And you know, I'm trying to watch this with my son and my daughter. And it's a lot of sex and kissing.

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  Yeah.

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  Forget about when Arizona and Callie kissed. She goes, oh my god. She was just with him. She was just with that one. I don't care, I'm just saying, she was just with that one.

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  She didn't feel anything when Callie and Dr. Han kissed?

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  No, at that point, we had.

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  Arizona.

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  Callie and Dr. Han, we are already in the new liberal world.

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  Well, Arizona, when, no, Arizona came on after Dr. Han.

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  You're so right.

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  No, you know what? I think it was, it was a lot of new things to explain to her children.

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  Right.

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  And I think what my mom wanted was just, you know, my mom, well, quote unquote, her show was Desperate Housewives.

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  And that wasn't racy at all.

• 1:03:58Speaker 01

  No, and then I took it away from her immediately. There was one episode of Desperate Housewives, my mom declared it as her show. I watched one episode of it, it became my entire personality, there was no room for my mother.

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  That's right.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  I was like, no, this is my show. She was like, it can be our show. I was like, fine.

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  I'm ready to go back to scripted. Cause I think I've, I think I'm hitting a wall with the, with the unscripted stuff.

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  What if we did a Desperate Housewives rewatch?

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  You don't have time for that, I'm sorry.

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  I do. I would.

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  You don't want to.

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  I think we should do like.

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  Jared is watching Felicity for the first time, and that's actually a really interesting idea.

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  I would fuck, I would do Desperate Housewives. What if it was like NYPD Blue?

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  I would do Desperate Housewives, fuck yeah.

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  Oh, fuck yeah.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, Desperate Housewives, okay, sure. Cause they would, it's such an important show.

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  Do you know, um, speaking of important, I went to the top of the Empire State Building.

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  Oh my god, tell me.

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  Scary and high.

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  So scary.

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  But you know what gave me a lot of strength?

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  Right outside before you go in, there's a picture of literally when she was the New York City mascot, 2015 Taylor Swift. With the bob, the 1989 bob in the white, like cocktail dress.

• 1:05:21Speaker 02

  Sunglasses.

• 1:05:21Speaker 01

  Leaning over the side of the sunglasses, and I just started to hear, welcome to New York! And it gave me the courage. I was like, thanks, Taylor. Specifically that Taylor, one of the great, that's, that's such a Taylor.

• 1:05:36Speaker 02

  That's such Taylor. That song blasts throughout Broadway every single night on the pedicabs.

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

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  Cause they are blasting Welcome to New York and Empire State of Mind.

• 1:05:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  On every pedicab in the city in Times Square.

• 1:05:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:52Speaker 02

  And so that is, I'm, I have an intimate relationship with that song at the moment.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  You know what? Top five, cause I think it's time to do this. Top five, did my phone die? No, it didn't. Top five, New York songs locationally.

• 1:06:10Speaker 01

  Like for you, School and Life.

• 1:06:12Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:13Speaker 01

  School and Life in front of Cozy Soup and Burger.

• 1:06:14Speaker 02

  Well, that's, that's already my number one, but I'll, I'll start, I'll start at, um.

• 1:06:21Speaker 02

  Oh my god, this is dark. Speaking of Election Day.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:06:26Speaker 02

  We, Pop rule out, our sketch group was scheduled to do a show at Littlefield on November, whatever day it was, Election Day 2016.

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  I think it was November 6, 2016.

• 1:06:36Speaker 02

  Fourth or something. I

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  am, I'm, I'm finishing up work. I had voted early that day, or had early voted. I'm stomping over to the Canal Street ACE stop to take the ACE into Brooklyn to go to Littlefield. I'm blasting 80's Mercedes by Maren Morris. Cause I was like, for some reason, that was like, like, I liked a song about being a woman.

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  Yep. I'm a 90's baby in my 80's Mercedes. To say nothing of the song that we performed onstage at Littlefield that night as Michigan was going red. Which was, we had written, Tess Iskara had brought a song in called A Woman Will Be President. And it was just us singing. A woman will be president. And then just Michigan goes red, we were like, huh. And then literally just people leaving as we were singing. It was horrible. It was literally the end. That was the end in that moment of like our positive liberal culture. Us singing, a woman will be president.

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  Earnestly. Earnestly singing a song that we wrote called A Woman Will Be President. Ay, ay, ay.

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  We all, that's accountability culture right there. We were devastated and just seeing our friends that had been like so sure that it couldn't happen. That was horrible.

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  That's my number five.

• 1:08:02Speaker 01

  Okay, all right. I'm gonna say the song that I used to listen to before all my like, um, like JFL showcases and all my like, back in the day, this is like back in like 2016, 2017, doing all that. Any audition that I had onstage, which were happening a lot at that time, I would listen to.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  Demi Lovato, Confident.

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  What's wrong with being, what's wrong with being, what's wrong with being confident? Oh.

• 1:08:40Speaker 02

  Really good. And it gave you.

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  I loved it, I loved the horns.

• 1:08:52Speaker 01

  It was good.

• 1:08:53Speaker 02

  Love that.

• 1:08:54Speaker 01

  That was my number four.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  Number three.

• 1:08:59Speaker 02

  It had just come out that week.

• 1:09:01Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  It was the same week as my first SNL screen test in August of 2017.

• 1:09:07Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:09:08Speaker 02

  I Don't Want It at All by Kim Petras.

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  Love, oh, that's a good Kim Petras.

• 1:09:13Speaker 02

  Who is this girl? She's German, she's trans, okay, and this is, this is giving like Paris Hilton, and then literally Paris Hilton is in the music video.

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, she was so, that, that run of singles that she was releasing at that time, like Heart to Break, like, oh, that was, that was, um, oh my god. There were so many good ones.

• 1:09:31Speaker 02

  Hillside Boys.

• 1:09:32Speaker 01

  Hillside Boys, I love.

• 1:09:33Speaker 02

  Um.

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  What's the one, um?

• 1:09:35Speaker 02

  Think About Me.

• 1:09:37Speaker 01

  Do me, do me, do me like that. That is so good, I can't believe that.

• 1:09:43Speaker 02

  I mean, you know, Dr. Luke, but.

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  I, it's a tough one.

• 1:09:45Speaker 02

  It's a tough one, but that song, and I got, I got to, you know, that is, and I, and I, it's just like, and I'm just, yeah. I just, I just love that like, Kim is like a part of that, like, I was just sitting in Leslie Jones's dressing room, preparing for my SNL screen test, just like putting in my headphones, cause this year's Amanda told me, buy a pair of noise cancelling headphones, you're gonna hear the other people in their dressing rooms running their, their auditions, it's gonna drive you crazy. Buy a pair of noise cancelling headphones, just like make a playlist for like the songs that'll like get you pumped up. And I just like kept listening to I Don't Want It at All.

• 1:10:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  So I associate that with 30 Rock. Okay, number two.

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  Number two. Every night at the Gershwin Theater, Defying Gravity, of course. It is sung so well by Alphaba. Uh, Alphaba plays the role of an outcast woman from Oz. And they made it into a film, two films. Um, a lot of people debate.

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  Whether or not it should be two films.

• 1:10:47Speaker 02

  Oh, right.

• 1:10:48Speaker 01

  I am firmly on the side of the creators of the film, the cast, who all say it should have been two films. I agree. I think Defying Gravity is meant to bring a curtain down. And it certainly does every night at the Gershwin. And my member, when I saw Wicked, I've seen it twice.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  And the first time was, of course, when I was 16 years old, when the Elphaba marked it.

• 1:11:15Speaker 01

  We got the, we got the understudy for Elphaba during a matinee. And I waited years to see Wicked. I'm so closeted, so gay beyond, sitting in the chair, ready outside of my, like, leaping out of my seat during Defying Gravity, because it's gonna happen, like, we're gonna hear it. It's amazing. My aunt's with me, like, we're watching it, and Elphaba just goes, "Hey, nobody! Hit all of us!" No wizard that there, etc. And then the final note, which is a battle cry, she went,

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  and then they go, "Dah!" And I'm, like, sitting in my, sitting in my seat, like, "The fuck is this?"

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  And you already know that I told that story on the set-

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  To Cynthia and Ariana.

• 1:12:02Speaker 02

  To everybody on the set of Wicked.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  I was like-

• 1:12:07Speaker 02

  Cynthia going, "No."

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:12:12Speaker 02

  Ariana crying laughing.

• 1:12:17Speaker 02

  Jonathan Bailey going, "That's not right." And we, we, I, we do sympathize with the fact that it was an understudy going on.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you know that the iconic story of the understudy going on-

• 1:12:30Speaker 02

  Is the, the girl-

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  Brandy Chevron Massey. Brandy Chevron Massey, there is a clip of, uh, she, I believe she was a swing or a standby or something. She went on for Elphaba one time. There is a video of it. You just, we can't do it-

• 1:12:45Speaker 02

  One of, one of the first Black Elphabas.

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  Yes, and it was, uh, uh, it's honestly my favorite Defying Gravity ever.

• 1:12:51Speaker 02

  Incredible.

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  She ripped her throat in half singing that song. I don't understand how she did the second half of the show.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  Works.

• 1:13:09Speaker 01

  So if you care to find me, look, look to the western sky.

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  It's-

• 1:13:17Speaker 01

  Find me!

• 1:13:19Speaker 02

  And she goes crazy on the meat.

• 1:13:21Speaker 01

  To find me! It's the best-

• 1:13:26Speaker 02

  And Brandy was nominated for one of the first Culture Awards.

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 1:13:30Speaker 02

  So we, we pay respects.

• 1:13:31Speaker 01

  No, I, I can't even tell you, like, I think it ruined it for me, because I, I, I watched the YouTube clip of it early, because I would, of course, like, one of the first things you find as a little gay boy on YouTube is-

• 1:13:41Speaker 02

  Slime tutorial, Wicked, yeah.

• 1:13:43Speaker 01

  Just a string out of Elphaba screaming that note. And when I heard her do that, I was like, she's the only one that gets it. She is the only one that gets it.

• 1:13:54Speaker 02

  Yep. Um, so that's number two. Every night at the Gershwin, Defying-

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  And number one is-

• 1:14:02Speaker 02

  School and Life.

• 1:14:04Speaker 01

  Bowen Yang outside the Cozy Soup and Burger.

• 1:14:06Speaker 02

  It was, and I just want to-

• 1:14:07Speaker 01

  Who needs that degree?

• 1:14:07Speaker 02

  I want to bring my sister, I want to bring my sister into this. The thing that kept me in New York in the year 2012, School and Life by Beyoncé. And then, about a block over, Matt Rogers inviting me for lunch at Vapiano to ask if I wanted to join his sketch group.

• 1:14:24Speaker 01

  And then, we did a show based on Life is But a Dream.

• 1:14:27Speaker 02

  We did do a show based on Life is But a Dream.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  The HBO, yeah, because, and where, where Matt was, I just remember you saying, "Why did God give me this talent?"

• 1:14:37Speaker 01

  "Why did God give me this life?"

• 1:14:38Speaker 02

  "Give me this life."

• 1:14:39Speaker 01

  "Why did God give me these talents?"

• 1:14:40Speaker 02

  "These talents."

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  "Sometimes it's overwhelming."

• 1:14:44Speaker 02

  You still feel that way.

• 1:14:47Speaker 02

  God gave you a lot of talents.

• 1:14:51Speaker 01

  "Why did God give me these gifts? Why did God give me these talents?"

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  Write the rest of the song at home.

• 1:15:05Speaker 02

  Until then, this has been another amazing Culture-

• 1:15:09Speaker 01

  Lost Culture East.

• 1:15:10Speaker 02

  Lost Culture East podcast. The Cultureists.

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  We still are campaigning for a Golden Globe.

• 1:15:16Speaker 02

  Come on, nobody's doing it like us.

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  I've been keeping my eye on the other podcasts that are in contention. I saw that,

• 1:15:29Speaker 01

  Call Her Daddy had on Jennifer Lawrence.

• 1:15:32Speaker 02

  Oh, yes.

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  She stole her from us.

• 1:15:35Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't see it.

• 1:15:36Speaker 01

  So that was theft.

• 1:15:40Speaker 01

  So she's a thief.

• 1:15:44Speaker 01

  That was our friend. Now we see her hanging out with Alex.

• 1:15:48Speaker 02

  Oh, it's okay. Well,

• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  anything else to say?

• 1:15:57Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:15:59Speaker 01

  Later.

• 1:16:01Speaker 02

  Lost Culture East is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio Podcasts.

• 1:16:05Speaker 01

  Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive produced by Anna Hosnié and produced by Becca Ramos. Edited by Hot Dog Sandwich. And our music is by Henry Kowalski.

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  Hey, everybody, it's me, Matt, and my tour is on sale now. This time, it's really Christmas. You can go to www.mattrogersofficial.com. Podcasts are a visual medium. If you're not watching me right now, I am holding in my hands my vinyl. It's called Have You Heard of Christmas? The answer to that question is coming. At this time, it's really Christmas. I'm playing all over the country, and in London, and in Canada. That makes it a world tour. Harry Styles, you're on burn notice. I'll see you soon.

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