"Everything Feet" (w/ Gracie Abrams)

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  Look, Matt.

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  Where?

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  Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there.

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  Wow, is that culture?

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  Yes.

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  Oh, my goodness.

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  Wow. Las Culturistas.

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  Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling.

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  Why the pregnant pause? Oh, wait, hold on. For podcasts or visual medium, Matt and I, synergistic again.

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  It kind of keeps happening, so I come in today and I think there's no way that Bowen is gonna wear a pop culture icon on his shirt today like I am, because I'm kind of giving my icon, Mariah, and you walk in clad in Bruce Lee.

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  You know?

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  Clad in it.

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  And I have my thing with Bruce Lee, which is just someone who looms large, but I don't like, I'm finally gonna come out as like a Bruce Lee stan. I like, it's only in my bedroom, literally. You like, you know that, like, I have that Italian poster of...

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  This is a queer narrative.

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  This is a queer narrative.

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  It just existed in your bedroom as a child, and now it's roaring to life in public.

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  Well, all these politicians out here saying, keep that in the bedroom, to me, directly.

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  Yeah, and you finally defied them.

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  Here I am. Look at this.

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  I love this cut and color on you.

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  Cut and color.

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  Similar to the cut and color on our guest. We got a lot of primary action happening in here. This is the day I meet my pen pal.

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  Ah!

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  This is like when you meet like, your pen pal from when you were young, but just adult version. I was gonna say, like, when you have like, because you know when you were little, did they ever give you a pen pal from like, a faraway school? Did your program ever do this?

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  Yeah, I want to say once or twice, but, so when I moved from Canada, all the kids wrote little postcards for me.

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  Oh, that's so sweet.

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  And then I think the first week we moved to Colorado, I was like, Dad, where are the postcards? He was like, I can't find them.

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  Shut the fuck up.

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  Never read a thing. Of course.

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  Yeah.

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  Still thinking about it all these years later.

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  You could cry now, if you feel like there's still some left in the tank. Our guest would support it.

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  Oh, yeah, I even hydrated enough today.

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  Well, I think our...

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  No, no, no. Are you kidding me?

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  You want some of our guest's Arctic vibe, which, yes, is in a cup and looks sick like poison.

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  Wait, this is what, this is why, this is why Celsius doesn't come in a clear container. Let's get into it.

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  Let's really get into it, what we came here to talk about today, which is what Celsius looks like in a clear container. Certainly not the excellent third album. It's a step forward.

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  It's the third album down.

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  Which was tough to do, because we were already pretty forward.

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  100%.

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  I went to that concert, bodies were hitting the ground.

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  Bodies, oh.

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  Bodies were hitting the ground. People were getting so overwhelmed, bodies were hitting the ground.

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  Well, you were saying these girls were like, forming a circle, clutching each other.

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  I've never seen anything like it. Girls grabbed hands and created like a ring.

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  Beautiful.

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  And it didn't matter who else was there, it was their floor.

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  That's amazing.

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  And I was like, yes.

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  And nothing in the circle?

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  No!

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  Well, then that's tough.

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  Just their energy.

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  Well, that's a lot of floor, that's a lot of area.

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  If you wanted to get in there, you could have crawled under them, it just didn't feel right. It was their floor.

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  You, I think you have something to say about that. You should address like, just taking up the area. Let's put our guest in, she's incredible in every way. Everyone, welcome.

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  Gracie Abrams!

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  Take them one more sip of Arctic.

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  Of Arctic piss. Guys, this is the treat of my life, to be here. And also, I don't want to speak, I just want to like, sit, this, it feel, you know, there's like fever dream moments?

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  Yeah.

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  Oh, I have to speak.

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  You have to.

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  How about this? You name the episode today.

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  Yes!

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  No!

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  Later!

• 5:13Speaker 04

  No!

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  You will have to.

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  Fine, how about this?

• 5:15Speaker 04

  Okay, well, whatever you say, it's your house.

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  We'll say it, and only if you confirm it can it be.

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  Great.

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  Because I feel like you're gonna be the vibe of saying the rules of culture with us today.

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  Wow.

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  And I want you to.

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  God, I mean, it's, I do it, I do it when I'm on the train in my headphones, like, you'll say something and I will predict, and sometimes I'm surprised when you don't make something a rule.

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  Oh, I know, that happens a lot.

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  Confirm reader, I guess we should say.

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  Yeah, big time.

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  Finalist, finalist.

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  Thank you.

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  Well, of course finalist.

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  Cheers, everyone.

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  Cheers!

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  Can we say?

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  Can we expose just how piss-like this is?

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  Absolutely. Wait, I want to, I want to bring something up right off the bat.

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  Yes.

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  I was at Jake Shane's house.

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  Oh, was it the bag?

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  It was not the bag. I saw the books that you gifted him.

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  Yes.

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  And I squealed and I go, of course, Gracie fucking reads Eve Babbitt.

• 5:58Speaker 04

  Well, all day long, and you know what? Kaia and I, so Kaia had a library science conversation about Eve Babbitt and Jo Didion, and it was one of my, like, it was one of those moments where you're just relieved when people read, but, and I was, and I was relieved to gift Jake books.

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  Yes, I, what's the relief? Where's that coming from?

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  Soul drag!

• 6:20Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no, he will, he's, he's, he was the first to say it. He was like, do you read? I was like, I do. Do you?

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  He goes, that's crazy.

• 6:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, a bit, and then he was like, I will read, I told him, I was like, I'm gonna send you like, the, just the beginning of your library.

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  Oh, that's a beautiful one.

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  And I wrote him, and then he was like, I will read, I was like, the title.

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  No!

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  I will read the back of the book.

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  Cover, the blurbs. I said, no, you should actually read these, like, these are incredible first, like, starter pack books.

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  I'm glad you approved of them.

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  Oh, yes, and I was like, Jake, you would actually fucking love Eve Babbitt, because she's talking about...

• 6:57Speaker 04

  She's just talking about the culture.

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  She's just talking about the culture.

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  She's talking about the culture in the tone.

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  Eve Babbitt, she's just talking about the culture. It's rule of culture number two. Eve Babbitt, she's just talking about the culture. And you danced in it.

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  And you danced in!

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  This feels really good, it's so nice, it's so nice in this room.

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  Thank you.

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  With all of you.

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  Well, our best friend Jared is here, and he never comes and sits in, but he is one of your great, great fans.

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  I've heard about you, Jared.

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  We were there at your concert where the girls were ringing, ringing around their roses.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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  Now, do you see this from the stage?

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  Yeah, and actually, we were just talking about this, like, 10 minutes ago, about the concept, like, someone's like, is there a mosh? And I was like, well...

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  There is.

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  I wouldn't, I don't know if I would use that, that word, I would...

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  It's a sash, it's a soft mosh.

• 7:46Speaker 04

  A sash, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it is, you make a good point, like, what's happening to that floor space?

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  Nothing.

• 7:52Speaker 04

  Because they stay wide.

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  Yes.

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  Which I also, I'm like, everybody take their space.

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  Absolutely.

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  And it is theirs to, it is theirs to, they, they chose to be on the floor.

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  Absolutely.

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  So it's their floor.

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  And you know what?

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  No say.

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  Our phone's out? Our phone's out?

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  Oh, phones are out.

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  Phones are out. I know, I'm pro put them down.

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  I'm, you're a pro put them down.

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  Well, I'm pro put them, but, well, I actually, I live on, I think I'm pro soak up the experience.

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  Of course.

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  You went out of your way to be here, it's like, you paid money to be here, if you want to record every single second of it, I advocate for that, too. I'm not anti-phone, I'm pro presence.

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  Yeah, so there's this book that's coming out called The Story of Your Life. I have not read it, but I'm seeing like, people who are getting galleys, like, talk about how, this author like, writes about how social media is whatever, blah, blah, blah, defining all of our lives, but specifically when it comes to pulling out your phone at a concert, this is why we do it. You ready?

• 8:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:46Speaker 02

  It's because you're so overwhelmed with emotion... And in the modern, the modern condition is such that you don't know how to process and sit with the emotion. Then, other than to take out your phone and record something, because I don't watch that stuff back.

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  No, exactly.

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  You never do. And also, the experience of other people watching it is never gonna be as good. I think it's a thing of like, you are anticipating a moment so much, you think the number one thing to do is capture it.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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  When what you really should do. What happens to me is, I know this to be true.

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  Yeah.

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  So I'll have my phone out and I'll just capture like, a boring part of any song. So that I see the part that's worth capturing or whatever.

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  I feel like pulling my phone out is the curse for what I'm like, my goal is.

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  Yeah.

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  Immediately gone. Like, there's no, there's no success rate. The absolutely lowest success rate.

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  Yeah, cuz at a concert, you can't hit, play the song again.

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  Correct.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  And that's Real Culture number three. At a concert, you can't play the song again.

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  Unless you're Audrey Hobart and you do Sue Me twice.

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  Did she, does she do that?

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  And you know what she does, which actually, maybe this isn't my information. Well.

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  But share it anyway.

• 9:49Speaker 04

  I went to the show. I went to speak on it.

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  We all saw it.

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  It's the best show. Have you guys seen her live yet?

• 9:53Speaker 02

  We did a show in LA for Katie Crutchfield and Darcy Carden announcing Crutchfield's birthday.

• 9:58Speaker 04

  Oh, yes. Oh, and she's, you guys, I saw you guys singing together.

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  We sang together, but she.

• 10:00Speaker 04

  That was, again, it's one of those things, it's like, well, I can't rank why, like, in order, what's the best thing about Audrey's, like, rise?

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  Yes.

• 10:12Speaker 04

  Selfishly, I think it's that I get to see more of my friend, like, on the internet, doing things.

• 10:17Speaker 01

  Oh, that's cool.

• 10:18Speaker 04

  Do you know what I mean?

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  Yeah.

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  Because when we're not in the same place, like, I got to just open Instagram and you two are singing together on stage. I'm like, that is what I would like. That, in my fantasy, I'd be, like, in my simulation, I'd be like, Bowen and Audrey are now on stage together. You know what I mean?

• 10:32Speaker 02

  I feel like it is, this is, we are living in your simulation.

• 10:36Speaker 04

  Well, today, we are, cuz I get to watch the two of you do your job.

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  Honey.

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  Yes!

• 10:41Speaker 04

  And you get to watch me drink piss.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  Yes!

• 10:44Speaker 04

  Everyone's winning.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  What's, what probably rocks most about the Audrey situation, and I think.

• 10:50Speaker 04

  The Audrey situation title of that.

• 10:51Speaker 01

  The Audrey situation title of that. Well, I was gonna say Stay Wide, but I didn't wanna be rude to everyone in the room. Crass title, crass idea for a title, Stay Wide. Anyway, moving on. Um, I feel like it's that thing of when you just, you think that someone around you is really special.

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  Yeah.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  And then the world starts to confirm it.

• 11:09Speaker 04

  Yes, well, yes.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  And you're like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, like, these, these things that, um, I got to experience, everyone's getting that same feeling. And that's, that's fun.

• 11:20Speaker 04

  It's just, it's like, the, I, it's, I grew up with her voice in my head all the time, every day, for 16 years.

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  Oh.

• 11:28Speaker 04

  And I'm just, I just, now others get to have that. So I'm just like, we're all better off.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Damn, that's so beautiful.

• 11:37Speaker 04

  You're jealous?

• 11:38Speaker 01

  You're a little jealous.

• 11:39Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm, guys, I have a Fuck Audrey Hobart t-shirt. It's the best thing. Also, also, I mean, and I, like, I never wanna move on from this topic, but to see, I'm just so excited cuz she's, she's doing festivals this summer. I'm like, can you imagine being at Lollapalooza? And then like, can you imagine like, being at Lollapalooza and if you, for some reason, don't know who she is yet, and then you hear, like, and you're like, I'm gonna chase that sound, and then.

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  Audience that's there is gonna be giving it so hard. It's gonna be a chapel moment.

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  Well, I was gonna say.

• 12:11Speaker 04

  I think so.

• 12:11Speaker 02

  I think so, because like, when Sue Me first came out and the video came out, I was like, ooh, like, I, I feel like Matt, Matt was on chapel from the jump.

• 12:19Speaker 04

  I remember.

• 12:20Speaker 01

  It was a chapel very early.

• 12:22Speaker 02

  I wanted to say this on the pod, but I felt too shy, cuz I feel like I'm not as prescient as you. And I was like, I think this Audrey Hobart girl is like.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  No, you were always right about that.

• 12:30Speaker 04

  Also, but you've always, in my experience, you've always been supporting, like.

• 12:35Speaker 02

  I support, but I.

• 12:37Speaker 04

  Hardcore.

• 12:37Speaker 02

  For sure, for sure. But I'm also like, I'm not, I'm not gonna be as like, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna.

• 12:43Speaker 04

  You're not being declarative.

• 12:45Speaker 01

  He didn't wanna stick his neck out, because what if something horrible was to happen?

• 12:49Speaker 04

  Cuz God forbid.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Like a flop.

• 12:51Speaker 02

  When a gay guy is wrong publicly.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  Something horrible to happen, like a flop single.

• 12:53Speaker 02

  Single, no, no way. I don't think she's ever had one.

• 12:56Speaker 04

  No chance with that girl.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  No chance. How long have you known each other? Was it 16 years? But then, has the process been the same when you guys have been writing together, where it's like, wine nights, or is it, it's changed over time?

• 13:04Speaker 04

  Well, it's like, we just lived together. Well, well, well.

• 13:07Speaker 02

  Well, well.

• 13:07Speaker 04

  Well, well, well. We, we just were, we were roommates.

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  Yes.

• 13:13Speaker 04

  And then we just started writing songs together, which is like, such a weird, all of a sudden, one day. But I imagine with the two of you, what you make together, it was probably not like a.

• 13:23Speaker 01

  Born out of friendship, instead of like, we have to create.

• 13:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. There's no like, sit-down conversation. It's just like, there's a guitar and the both of us are there, and we're already like, we, we just started laughing while we were strumming, was the vibe. And then it made it, it made it, that was like, the bar for us of what we chose to keep in, like, lyrics that either felt so correct, or made us laugh the hardest.

• 13:46Speaker 01

  You said that about That's So True, too.

• 13:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 13:48Speaker 01

  That you guys were cracking up by the end of it.

• 13:49Speaker 04

  Yes, and we have a song on this album as well, that, that we wrote, I think, the same week that we did That's So True, which like, also made us giggle, in that sense, you know what I mean?

• 13:59Speaker 02

  What is the song on this album?

• 14:00Speaker 04

  Minibar.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, Minibar is, Minibar is fab.

• 14:03Speaker 04

  It's like, zippy.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:05Speaker 02

  Y'all are zippy.

• 14:07Speaker 04

  Well, she's just, it's like, there's that, there's that, um, I feel like the shorthand of your best friend, and, and it's just so, yeah, yes.

• 14:16Speaker 01

  Well, you don't realize.

• 14:17Speaker 04

  I wish she was here, so I could pat her name.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  And she is, Audrey! No, it is that thing where it's like, you don't think it's gonna translate, and then it very much does. It's why I always wish that things are more specific and less broad. I mean, but we should say specifically, you guys are wearing the same goddamn shoe today.

• 14:36Speaker 04

  Yeah. You have an amazing point.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  I don't know. Well, my arch is non-existent. I think these might.

• 14:42Speaker 04

  What do you mean, non-existent? Like, you're just flat?

• 14:44Speaker 01

  You're currently arched.

• 14:45Speaker 04

  I'm flat. I'm flat.

• 14:46Speaker 02

  Really? You, oh, wait, can we, can we just go, or is this gonna step on? I don't think so, honey.

• 14:51Speaker 04

  Are we gonna step on it right now?

• 14:53Speaker 02

  I feel like, um, it sounds like you have some foot insecurity.

• 14:56Speaker 04

  Oh. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 15:00Speaker 02

  It sounds like.

• 15:00Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no. Oh, because of what I said, cuz we can't, oh, cuz my ankles.

• 15:04Speaker 02

  Cuz ankles?

• 15:04Speaker 01

  What's about ankles?

• 15:05Speaker 04

  Well, let's talk about my ankles. I just sometimes, but, but yeah, let's make it personal. It's my ankles. I actually, I would love to talk about feet. I have a couple.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  Let's talk about feet.

• 15:15Speaker 04

  I have a few questions. Over New Year's, we were all, um.

• 15:20Speaker 01

  So, we were all there for one night.

• 15:22Speaker 02

  We were all there for New Year's.

• 15:23Speaker 04

  Over New Year's, we were all, um, talking about WikiFeet. That's a thing. And I had never explored that platform.

• 15:30Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  And then.

• 15:31Speaker 04

  And, uh, many of our friends have explored it, which I was like, okay.

• 15:35Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 15:37Speaker 04

  Like, I, anyway, news to me, that there is, there's, there's ratings, and there are comments, okay? So, I have, in my mind, wide feet. I just noticed this. Okay, everyone, look.

• 15:51Speaker 01

  Literally, no.

• 15:51Speaker 02

  No.

• 15:52Speaker 04

  No, no, this part, bone to bone.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  Well, every, honey, everyone's foot there is.

• 15:56Speaker 04

  I know, it's the widest part of the foot, in theory.

• 15:58Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 15:59Speaker 04

  But I have always felt this, and so, I'm, for the first time in my life, over New Year's, this past year, on WikiFeet with everyone, and I come across a comment.

• 16:06Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 16:07Speaker 04

  About my own, that, this, this man wasn't writing from a place of like, any fetish, or like, there was no sexual angle. It was as if he was a doctor. Going like, I fear she might have like, a bunion in her future.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  You don't have a bunion, girl.

• 16:24Speaker 04

  No, no, no.

• 16:24Speaker 02

  Oh, and your future.

• 16:25Speaker 04

  In my future. We don't know.

• 16:26Speaker 01

  He's some sort of foot psychic?

• 16:28Speaker 02

  And, and, and you wish she had had more of a sexual fetish, she sort of angled to it?

• 16:32Speaker 04

  No, no, I definitely, I wasn't like, damn it. But I was all, no, but I was then curious, like, and so, and so, having already noticed, when I put on heels that are like, meant for, like, a lady, sometimes my foot feels too wide to go in that section. So anyway, basically, now I'm like, is he right? And then like, and then I wonder, like, is there something preventative that I could be doing?

• 16:54Speaker 02

  I feel like I'm onto something.

• 16:56Speaker 04

  Okay. My foot insecurity?

• 16:58Speaker 02

  You are, you are spiraling with this man's voice in your head.

• 17:01Speaker 04

  About everything feet.

• 17:02Speaker 02

  About everything feet, and can I just say?

• 17:04Speaker 01

  The title of that, thank you so much. You just, you just locked it in. The title of that is everything feet.

• 17:10Speaker 04

  That guy's gonna love it.

• 17:11Speaker 02

  Of course. I will say, I feel like I have some of the most beautiful feet in the history of man.

• 17:19Speaker 01

  Oh, my god, to have the confidence.

• 17:20Speaker 04

  I'm not gonna ask you to show them, but I will find you on WikiFeet. I will find you later. Have you looked up your score?

• 17:27Speaker 01

  Of course I've looked on it. I'm one of those freaks.

• 17:28Speaker 04

  One of our friends, she was so proud about being the highest ranking.

• 17:35Speaker 01

  Member of the.

• 17:36Speaker 04

  Foot in the group.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:38Speaker 04

  That, like.

• 17:40Speaker 01

  You're too proud, you said.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  You're too proud.

• 17:42Speaker 04

  I, I, and I was like, but I would also probably react that way.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  Well, no.

• 17:45Speaker 04

  If there weren't doctors in my.

• 17:47Speaker 02

  If there were doctors in your.

• 17:48Speaker 04

  In my forum.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  Sure. But I think, the way I feel about my feet is, I need, I need to apply this, I need to, it needs to be writ large, in terms of my, my whole life, where I'm like, oh, it doesn't matter what other people think, cuz my rating on WikiFeet is in the gutter.

• 18:02Speaker 04

  What?

• 18:02Speaker 02

  And I'm like, I don't care. This is actually dead wrong.

• 18:06Speaker 04

  When people review your album, they're like, it fucking sucks. But it's like, I had fun making it.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 18:11Speaker 02

  It's not even that you had fun making it. It's that you know it's good.

• 18:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, you know it's a part of your soul. Comes from you.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  Well, I don't know. I feel like my feet are, they're, they're treating, if, if WikiFeet is Pitchfork, they're treating my feet like it's.

• 18:24Speaker 02

  Like it's Weezer.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  Fiona Apple, because, like, I have a very high rating, and I have to tell you, I would not describe my feet as Fiona Apple-coded. I think my feet are awful. No, everyone who sees my feet are just like, put those away.

• 18:36Speaker 04

  What do you mean?

• 18:36Speaker 02

  Wait, hold on.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  My friend Dave calls them the stakes. Jared absolutely hates them.

• 18:41Speaker 04

  You hate them?

• 18:42Speaker 01

  They're bad. They're not good.

• 18:44Speaker 04

  Why? Describe.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  I'm gonna be very vulnerable.

• 18:47Speaker 04

  Okay, well, finally, I've been like, talking about my, like.

• 18:51Speaker 01

  You're like, dying.

• 18:53Speaker 04

  Birthing bunnions and my fucking ankles.

• 18:55Speaker 01

  A few years ago, I made the fatal, the fatal mistake of, yes, showering at the Hollywood Equinox with no shoes on.

• 19:01Speaker 04

  Oh, this is actually a part of my, later.

• 19:03Speaker 01

  Really?

• 19:04Speaker 04

  Anyway, please.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Feet on the brain. As a result, I got athlete's foot, and it really wasn't good there for a little while, and to the point where like, it had to be like, I had to, I had to start a relationship with low crimin.

• 19:15Speaker 04

  Jared is shaking his head off.

• 19:16Speaker 01

  He can't believe I'm this candid on the pod.

• 19:18Speaker 04

  Was it visually a thing? Or just?

• 19:21Speaker 01

  Can't confirm. Let's just say I was surprised to see my WikiFeet rating so high.

• 19:25Speaker 04

  Jesus.

• 19:26Speaker 01

  I know, and I'm sorry.

• 19:27Speaker 04

  How long does that last?

• 19:28Speaker 01

  It lasts as long as you let it.

• 19:30Speaker 04

  Is it a topical situation, like cream?

• 19:32Speaker 01

  It is. It's very treatable, very curable.

• 19:34Speaker 02

  It's on this foot?

• 19:35Speaker 01

  It's on.

• 19:36Speaker 04

  I was like, where is it?

• 19:38Speaker 01

  No, no, no, it was, it was on both feet, you guys. That's, that's how fungus works.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  But here's, here's the thing about feet, though.

• 19:44Speaker 04

  I love topical creams.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  I love topical creams, for sure.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  I love topical creams.

• 19:48Speaker 02

  But do they work?

• 19:49Speaker 04

  I don't know. It's always like, results in, better over time. It's like.

• 19:54Speaker 01

  Results in time.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  Results in time.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  You will see results in time. That's actually Real Culture number nine. You will see results in time. Hey, did you just have a breakup? Honey, time. Honey, you're gonna love time.

• 20:08Speaker 04

  Athlete's foot, time.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  Honey, baby, oh, baby, time.

• 20:11Speaker 04

  Time.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  The prescription is time.

• 20:15Speaker 02

  I think if someone were to, if you were to, if Jared were to describe why Matt's feet are bad, qualitatively, you would fail to capture why they're bad. I think this should be the topic of the whole episode.

• 20:30Speaker 04

  Feet.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  Feet, everything.

• 20:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, you guys haven't done that before, and I know because I listen.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  Well, you know, the only other time we did that was when Iowa Debris was on a few years ago, and we talked only about Omarosa.

• 20:41Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 20:41Speaker 01

  It was when she came out and said, "Everyone will bow down to the most powerful man in the universe." And we always start the episode with a ding dong, except that episode, we started with that voiceover, and the three of us just screamed about Omarosa for...

• 20:56Speaker 04

  The whole app?

• 20:59Speaker 01

  Have you ever realized your car just doesn't fit your life anymore? Like, maybe you've got a new job, or you've moved, or your family's grown, or maybe you're just ready for something different?

• 21:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, that new chapter feeling is exciting, and sometimes it comes with a new car. When it's time to shop, it can feel overwhelming, though.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  Totally. There are so many options, so many places to look. You could spend weeks bouncing between websites and dealerships, trying to figure out what actually works. That's why I always start with cars.com.

• 21:25Speaker 02

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• 21:41Speaker 01

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• 21:57Speaker 02

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• 22:07Speaker 01

  That combination of clarity and choice really takes the stress out of car shopping. It lets you focus on what matters, finding the car that works for your life, your plans, and your next chapter.

• 22:16Speaker 02

  So don't take any chances. Do car shopping the easy way. Start your search with cars.com. Where to next?

• 22:25Speaker 01

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• 22:27Speaker 02

  Time for some prep wisdom.

• 22:28Speaker 01

  But first, some common sense, people. Everyone is different. Every one. Yes, even you. Yes, even your situation ship.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  Especially your situation ship. And just like people, injectable prep options, not all the same.

• 22:41Speaker 01

  That's why you need to talk to your doctor and know what to ask. So here's some prep wisdom.

• 22:46Speaker 02

  Did you know there's more to consider about long-acting injectable prep options than how often you get it? Also, why you want to take it matters. Your lifestyle matters, your routine, your chaos level, your "I might forget my own birthday" energy, all of it counts.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  Basically, talk to your doctor. Have the conversation, ask the questions, be a little nosy about your own health. It's allowed, encouraged even. Okay, did you write all that down? No? Don't worry.

• 23:08Speaker 02

  Just head to getprepwisdom.com to learn what to ask your doctor. That's getprepwisdom.com.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  You probably think dressing well takes lots of money, or lots of time spent digging through thrift stores.

• 23:19Speaker 02

  Well, not to be rude, but you're wrong. So dead wrong. And honestly, we're happy for you, because now we get to tell you about Depop.

• 23:29Speaker 01

  You can find the fashion you love for less on Depop.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  And it doesn't matter what you're into. Leopard print? They've got it. Not into leopard print? First of all, why? But fine. They've got that, too. Not leopard print. Basically, whatever your particular fashion situation is, Depop has entered the chat.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  We're talking over 600,000 daily listings, including celebrity and stylist shop drops.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  That's a lot of listings, and somehow, it gets better. You can sell the stuff you no longer wear and make money, then use that money to buy things you do want to wear.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  It's a circle, like the circle of life, but for fashion. And since fashion is life for a lot of people, samezies.

• 24:07Speaker 02

  Depop fashion, if it made sense.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  Make money on Depop with no selling fees and find what you want for less.

• 24:15Speaker 02

  Depop, love you.

• 24:17Speaker 01

  Hey, Bo, in point of order, it feels like nothing is what it says it is anymore.

• 24:21Speaker 02

  Point of answer, it's because everything has a catch.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Hey, or it turns out to be something else entirely.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Like a total catfish situation.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  Exactly, Bo.

• 24:28Speaker 02

  Except for hotels.com.

• 24:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, that one's pretty literal.

• 24:31Speaker 02

  Because it's hotels.com, it's in the domain. You go there, you book hotels, hundreds of thousands of them.

• 24:37Speaker 01

  And hold up, that's...

• 24:39Speaker 02

  It? That's it. And when stays are booked as a member, rewards are earned every time.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  Every stay?

• 24:44Speaker 02

  Every stay. No tracking or managing, just rewards that can be used like cash on future bookings.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  Which, by the way, already feels nicer than most rewards programs, okay?

• 24:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. Members can also get up to 20% off bookings, so savings start right away.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  Does that mean no weird restrictions?

• 24:58Speaker 02

  And no blackout dates. Book what works when it works. It's actually really fitting of real travel.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  So the name is honest, you're saying? And the rewards are too?

• 25:08Speaker 02

  Exactly. Hotels.com, it's all in the name.

• 25:11Speaker 01

  Okay, we've been talking about Cupi mayo for a minute now, Bo, and wow, the feedback we're getting. I mean, so many of y'all love this stuff.

• 25:19Speaker 02

  You're stopping us in the street going, "I love Cupi." And if you're thinking, "Wait, what is Cupi? Uh, do you not have the internet?" It's the OG Japanese mayonnaise, the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle.

• 25:33Speaker 01

  Once you know it, you start seeing it everywhere. People ask what makes it different from basic mayo. Well, the answer? Egg yolks.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  Cupi is made with egg yolks only, giving it this incredibly rich umami flavor that elevates everything. Burgers, fries, sandwiches, chicken, noodles.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  Chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really love food and flavor use it.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  Whatever you're eating, Cupi it. So if you haven't tried Cupi yet, find the bottle with the red cap and see what everyone's talking about. You'll understand. Cupi, the original Japanese mayonnaise.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  Are you hitting up theater while you're not in?

• 26:10Speaker 04

  I am not, and I'm, I wish I was here any longer than I am.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  Speaking of writing.

• 26:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:16Speaker 02

  What are you, I want to know what y'all, you two are writing about, because you're such beautiful couples. You and Matt?

• 26:21Speaker 04

  Oh, my god.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  We check in and catch up.

• 26:23Speaker 04

  We check in, kind of like, I check in with you more than many that I've known intimately for years.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Well, it's because I feel, I do, and I'm just gonna say this, I do feel connected to you over the time.

• 26:33Speaker 04

  It's very, it's very, like, this is not our first life together.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  I really, I was like, I, they were like, okay, well, Gracie's ready to come in, and I was like, I'm not meeting her on the cameras.

• 26:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, not on cam.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  I'm walking in there, because I saw you guys do a TikTok together at SNL.

• 26:45Speaker 04

  I immediately dropped to my knees. I'm like, sorry to everyone else in the room. Sorry.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  Oh, I found out that you even liked our show when...

• 26:53Speaker 04

  You're so kind and warm.

• 26:54Speaker 01

  Oh, I love you.

• 26:54Speaker 04

  Anyway.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  I found that you liked our show when you saw Hannah Einbinder on it, and she cried.

• 26:59Speaker 04

  Delicious.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  At the top.

• 27:01Speaker 04

  Yeah. I, I wish I were capable of accessing, like, tears.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  You can't?

• 27:07Speaker 04

  I, I mean, I could go there. I could go there.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  What about in your upcoming?

• 27:13Speaker 04

  What should be cried about? My bunion, potentially?

• 27:15Speaker 01

  Will you have to cry in your upcoming film debut?

• 27:18Speaker 04

  Oh, shit.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Oh, shit! We asked!

• 27:22Speaker 04

  I'm gonna just drink my...

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Imagine? You can say nothing?

• 27:25Speaker 04

  Um, uh, I don't, I don't think so.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 27:28Speaker 04

  Uh, what can I say? Well, have you seen Helena's previous work?

• 27:32Speaker 01

  We're fans of Helena's work.

• 27:34Speaker 04

  She's, um, she would be incredible on this podcast, because she is just the most... Have you met her?

• 27:41Speaker 01

  No, but I've heard that she is a very vivid character.

• 27:45Speaker 04

  100%.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:46Speaker 04

  She's really, she's really an amazing person, and I just, whenever she speaks about anything, I'm like, give her the mic.

• 27:53Speaker 01

  I've been waiting for you to get on camera in an acting way.

• 27:56Speaker 04

  Have you?

• 27:57Speaker 01

  I do feel you are a superstar.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  Well, that's generous.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  And you got it.

• 28:00Speaker 04

  Well, I will take that from you, because you're so famous to me. Um, Helena, it's Helena, it's Helena. She is, she is, when I, when I read the script that she wrote, I was like, what the fuck? And I, she sent it to me, just being like, would you ever want to read it? And I was like, not thinking she was asking me to read it, in the sense of like, do you want to audition for it?

• 28:20Speaker 01

  There's always a ulterior motive.

• 28:21Speaker 04

  But I just loved her. We got breakfast three years ago once, because a friend connected us, and it was similarly to, I was like, I have known you, I've known you before, and, um, and then, and then, the next time we communicated was when she sent me the script.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  How are you with milk? There's a lot of milk on her sets.

• 28:40Speaker 04

  Actually, oh, actually, there is milk, actually.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  There's milk in the film!

• 28:44Speaker 04

  There's, you guys.

• 28:47Speaker 04

  So many glasses of tall, tall milk.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Every Helena movie, I just put milk everywhere now. As an Easter egg.

• 28:53Speaker 04

  No more glasses of milk, as far as I'm concerned, but maybe, maybe the set designer will, like, yeah, just piss.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  Do we have Celsius around?

• 29:02Speaker 04

  By the way, there might be piss.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  Um, here's a tip on crying, I don't think this has worked on me.

• 29:07Speaker 04

  Yes, tell.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  Imagine there's a column within you.

• 29:10Speaker 04

  A column?

• 29:11Speaker 02

  A column, whatever, Ionic, uh, Corinthian, I don't even know what the other columns are.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  Do you know the difference between Ionic and Corinthian columns?

• 29:19Speaker 04

  I, I'm gonna, if you're gonna give more context, I might be able to use context clues.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Just a column.

• 29:25Speaker 01

  I believe Corinthian have the lines straight down on it.

• 29:28Speaker 04

  Oh, of course, I'm just sorry. I'm just sorry. Yes, of course, but what was the first one you said?

• 29:32Speaker 02

  Ionic.

• 29:33Speaker 04

  What is an Ionic column?

• 29:34Speaker 02

  Ionic just has like, the scroll, the scroll at the top, still has lines, but then Corinthian has like, these embellishments, like these natural embellishments.

• 29:39Speaker 04

  Okay, heard.

• 29:40Speaker 02

  Just imagine a column within you collapsing.

• 29:44Speaker 04

  That gets you? Okay, ready, everyone? No, I actually can't.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  Well, I'm already dying.

• 29:52Speaker 04

  Wait, this is like...

• 29:53Speaker 01

  I went right to my reliable place.

• 29:55Speaker 04

  I saw, I've been sort of starting to get, like, on my reels. Reels is, reels is my...

• 30:02Speaker 01

  Your TikTok?

• 30:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:03Speaker 04

  And, um, it's great.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  It's so good.

• 30:06Speaker 04

  Way better on there. Yeah, I bet, I bet.

• 30:12Speaker 04

  I've been starting to get, like, I will dwell, like, just long enough on, on, um, clips of certain... I will dwell long enough?

• 30:21Speaker 02

  You will dwell long enough.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  And then, and then the algorithm thinks, well, she's dwelling. Well, our girl is dwelling on this one, so keep feeding.

• 30:28Speaker 04

  So it's, yes, of course, the way the algorithm famously works, and then it'll give me, um, like, these, these beautiful, like, old women talking about how they make themselves cry, and like, I will, like, I will, like, just me in my room, oh, I've been doing that, the end of these long days. I'm like, go there.

• 30:46Speaker 02

  And, and do you?

• 30:47Speaker 04

  Sometimes.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  Oh, in the mirror, you're always the best actress.

• 30:50Speaker 04

  Am I getting misty?

• 30:51Speaker 01

  No, literally, I bet by the end of this, we will. Oh, my god, oh, my god, oh, my god, oh, my god. And you bit your lip, too, looking at me. No, for nothing.

• 30:58Speaker 04

  Imagine, the most devastating scene, I'm like...

• 31:02Speaker 02

  I feel affected.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  I feel affected.

• 31:05Speaker 04

  Um.

• 31:06Speaker 02

  Wait, marry, fuck, kill, uh, reels, shorts, TikTok.

• 31:11Speaker 02

  Reels, YouTube shorts.

• 31:12Speaker 04

  Reels, shorts, I don't, well, uh.

• 31:15Speaker 02

  I have it, I have it.

• 31:16Speaker 04

  Kill, uh, shorts.

• 31:18Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 31:18Speaker 04

  Wait, sorry, it also.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no.

• 31:20Speaker 04

  Thank you, YouTube.

• 31:22Speaker 01

  I'd fuck shorts and I do.

• 31:25Speaker 04

  You do? I've never been, I've never, I have, I have.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  It's never, yeah.

• 31:29Speaker 04

  Never watched a short.

• 31:30Speaker 02

  Well, shorts.

• 31:31Speaker 04

  Kill TikTok morally.

• 31:32Speaker 02

  Definitely.

• 31:33Speaker 04

  And also, by the way, well, I'll, y'all go and then I'll.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  Kill TikTok, I'm marrying shorts because it's usually like recipes and wholesome stuff.

• 31:40Speaker 04

  I've never been on shorts. Are you on your phone?

• 31:42Speaker 01

  Shorts will happen to you, like.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  Like, everything else gets, because this is how the algorithm works too. It's just, here's a short!

• 31:48Speaker 04

  Wait, but, wait, but, no, but I've never, I've never been fed a short.

• 31:51Speaker 01

  Do you go on YouTube for fun like us?

• 31:53Speaker 04

  Never been fed a short.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  I've never been fed a short.

• 31:59Speaker 04

  Seriously, where?

• 32:00Speaker 01

  You go on YouTube and you kind of just. Yeah, you just kind of do the thing. I, I can't explain either how shorts happen.

• 32:07Speaker 02

  No, if you, if you go on YouTube for anything.

• 32:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I'm doing that.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  Out of a video, there's gonna be a whole, above the fold, they say, in web design, uh, they have like a, they have like a row of shorts. That are just like little clipped videos of like.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  Shorts and you don't even know it.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  You don't even know you're watching shorts.

• 32:23Speaker 04

  Are they horizontal?

• 32:24Speaker 02

  Nope.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  No, they're verts.

• 32:25Speaker 04

  So I'm not.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  Can I tell you what I learned about yesterday? Vertical integration?

• 32:30Speaker 02

  Uh, yes, but, but that's a different vertical.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 32:33Speaker 02

  It's like you're integrating your verticals.

• 32:34Speaker 04

  I'm thinking about columns.

• 32:37Speaker 04

  Vertical integration.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  I cry because of this topic.

• 32:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Um, okay, so we have to ask you the central question of our podcast and I, I just know you came with an, with an answer.

• 32:47Speaker 02

  A perfect answer.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  Um.

• 32:48Speaker 04

  I had, yeah.

• 32:49Speaker 01

  Chrissy Abrams, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you ultimately?

• 32:53Speaker 04

  Ultimately, it was pure heroin.

• 32:56Speaker 01

  Oh my god!

• 32:57Speaker 04

  Ultimately, it was.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  My favorite of, of the offerings.

• 33:01Speaker 04

  It was, and then I was like, was it Megita Perez? And then, like, truly, Megita.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  Are you kidding me?

• 33:09Speaker 04

  No, I was like, was it Megita Perez? Because also, like, forget the Marnie of it all.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  I'm screaming!

• 33:16Speaker 04

  Like, that, and then I was gonna say Megita Perez, and then I was also thinking like Beach House episode, the last two shots. Where they've had the blow up and they, but the non-verbal, Marnie comes into the kitchen and they're all cleaning and they're not speaking and then they're still not speaking and it's, they're doing their. And I was like, that is, I grew up, me, Audrey, Lila and Clem are hour four, that like, when I watched Girls, when it came out and I was like, too young and it like helped inspire all of the kind of, you know, it's like, why, like Adam Driver as a whole, you're sort of like, you wonder as an adult why certain things are like, yeah. You're kind of like, why? And I'm like, oh, because I was 12.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 33:54Speaker 04

  Um, anyway, uh.

• 33:56Speaker 01

  A bit young watching those dynamics, of course, of course.

• 33:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:59Speaker 01

  But, whatever.

• 33:59Speaker 04

  But whatever. And anyway, and then, so I was, so anyway. So I was thinking those, Megita, I just.

• 34:06Speaker 01

  What about Megita?

• 34:07Speaker 02

  That interaction.

• 34:08Speaker 04

  That interaction, I felt like you just see her, you also, she's like, I'm, she backs herself.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  She backs, she immediately?

• 34:17Speaker 04

  She immedi, and that smile on her face when she walks with $600 is the biggest smile you see on Marnie's face, except for when Desi's proposing to her.

• 34:25Speaker 02

  When Desi's, oh my god.

• 34:27Speaker 04

  Also, when, yeah, anyway, we can go on, but anyway, it's pure heroin.

• 34:30Speaker 02

  It's pure heroin, but hold on, before we go back to pure heroin.

• 34:32Speaker 04

  Ex-Megita Perez.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  Ex-Megita Perez, no, that is it.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  I've, I've never been more shook on this podcast.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  He only ever wants to talk about Megita.

• 34:41Speaker 02

  No, I.

• 34:42Speaker 04

  Really?

• 34:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:43Speaker 02

  I think about Megita Perez like once a week.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:46Speaker 04

  Are you kidding me?

• 34:47Speaker 01

  Allison is gonna be dead.

• 34:49Speaker 04

  We're in the car here and I was like, I had this like impulse to not change my handle on Instagram, but just change my name.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  To Megita Perez. That would be really strong. Just do it for 48 hours. 24.

• 35:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, right, it's like part of album promo. It's like album launch, roll out.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  Like Pop Crave is like, there is probably a track called Megita Perez.

• 35:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, is, is Megita on the album?

• 35:14Speaker 02

  You have to wear the dress.

• 35:15Speaker 04

  Featuring Megita, the red halter.

• 35:17Speaker 02

  The red halter, oh my god, when she goes.

• 35:19Speaker 04

  The slit up the front.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  But the way she says Megita Perez.

• 35:23Speaker 04

  Megita.

• 35:24Speaker 02

  And who are you?

• 35:24Speaker 04

  Megita, Megita Perez.

• 35:26Speaker 02

  But she, she does.

• 35:27Speaker 04

  Megita, period. Megita Perez.

• 35:29Speaker 02

  She has a little, little roll on the arm.

• 35:31Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 35:31Speaker 02

  Megita Perez.

• 35:32Speaker 04

  Perez.

• 35:33Speaker 02

  Um, uh, I can, uh, what, what did she say? I have a fine if I go, if I go about the 10th floor.

• 35:38Speaker 04

  200 extra if I'm going above the 10th floor.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  And then she tucks her hair behind her ears, she goes, I have a fear of heights.

• 35:44Speaker 04

  I have a fear of heights. Yeah, she's an icon, that's like her becoming.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  Extra if I go above the 10th floor, like she has some like fear that they can pay for.

• 35:51Speaker 04

  It's incre, wait, there's, but there's two, there's two, she, she gets, she gets.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  There's another fee.

• 35:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, what's the other fee? Above the 10th floor, oh, dress rental!

• 36:00Speaker 02

  The dress rental, oh my god, oh my god. Um, dress rental.

• 36:03Speaker 04

  100 for dress rental.

• 36:04Speaker 02

  Unless you want me to come in my jeans.

• 36:05Speaker 04

  Yes, that's what she said.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  Can I point out, you're sort of in Megita red.

• 36:10Speaker 04

  Megita red.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  You sort of came dressed today in Megita red.

• 36:13Speaker 04

  Red red.

• 36:16Speaker 02

  Way.

• 36:17Speaker 04

  Pantone, Pantone color of the year, Megita red.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  Megita red.

• 36:23Speaker 04

  Anyway, but it was pure heroin.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  Okay, let's talk about pure heroin, wow.

• 36:25Speaker 01

  I also had a formative experience with it. It's when I started smoking weed in college.

• 36:31Speaker 04

  So, okay, right, so, right.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  Talk about it.

• 36:32Speaker 04

  Well, I felt like, there's lots to say, the, the, I feel like there are these moments, you know, like Bjork and Kate Bush and like Rosalía, like subverting pop. And just redefining it and I felt, you know, Lord, who has since become such a dear friend and so all of these memories are so hysterical. And even more important than they were then because I get to like, love her so much, uh, for the quality of human being that she is. She was like a couple of years older than me and I was 14 when Pure Heroin came out and that week that it came out, she was having a show at the Fonda in LA.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  So cool to see her there.

• 37:18Speaker 04

  And I went and it was the first show I've ever seen where like the concept of potentially performing was like, that was the first time I was ever not like, absolutely fucking never, because.

• 37:32Speaker 02

  Because that's what it was before that? No.

• 37:34Speaker 04

  That was, that's what it was like forever.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:36Speaker 04

  But seeing her know herself and also just be up there and command the crowd and not have like, this flashy, it was just her, she was, she had her like long curly black hair and she was wearing, this huge, like, it felt like a cape, like this long black dress and it was just her and it just blew my mind and rocked my world and I feel like, um, it's always stuck with me in that same way.

• 38:02Speaker 02

  Of course, because we were in college when Royals came out. I remember this, I was like, I was living in Crown Heights, I was like, I don't know what my life is, I gotta figure this out. I like, pulled out of med school applications, I was like, I gotta really rethink things. But something about Pure Heroin like soundtrack, like, I think it.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  Timestamp.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  But I think it timestamps everyone's life.

• 38:23Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  Um, you know, and within a certain like age bracket or whatever, in terms of like, whatever you were going through, it's, it's pure heroin, it's all, it's like.

• 38:31Speaker 04

  I agree, and I loved how dark it was.

• 38:33Speaker 02

  Yep, yep.

• 38:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:34Speaker 04

  And I think when you're like a Tumblr middle schooler and it just was, it was exactly perfect. It was exactly perfect.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  I'll never forget, like, really listening to 400 Lux and I was like, how old is she? It really, it really didn't make any sense and all those sounds were kind of new.

• 38:52Speaker 04

  She's like 800.

• 38:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's, it's, it's pretty wild.

• 38:57Speaker 04

  She's like an owl inside.

• 38:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 39:00Speaker 04

  Her beautiful body.

• 39:01Speaker 01

  There was just, there was just something that was so like, yeah, it, I'll, I'll just, that was when I, in West Village, I'll, this was it for me. West Village in my tiny apartment, smoking weed for the first time and walking around the West Village like, we're getting good at this.

• 39:18Speaker 04

  Yes, exactly, exactly.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  And like, I, I was just like, the girl was 14 years old and I'm vibing out.

• 39:25Speaker 04

  Yes, totally. But also, I felt like I, because she, she, I think she's like two years older than me and I was like, I feel like there was, that was just the time where I was like really yearning to like break free.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 39:41Speaker 04

  And that album makes you wanna like, leave. It just makes you wanna leave.

• 39:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, go somewhere else.

• 39:46Speaker 04

  And I, I didn't have my license yet and all this, so it'd be like long walks, yeah, exactly, our exit music. Ooh.

• 39:55Speaker 01

  Ooh, that's good for later.

• 39:57Speaker 04

  You guys have so many great segments on this show.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  Can I tell you, that's shocking to hear because they literally sat us down the first day we ever had the podcast and was like, oh, before we record, you guys should probably have segments and we were like, oh.

• 40:08Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 40:08Speaker 02

  I don't think so, honey.

• 40:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:10Speaker 04

  Did you come up with it on the spot?

• 40:11Speaker 02

  On the spot, we were like.

• 40:12Speaker 01

  It was something we used to say to each other.

• 40:14Speaker 04

  Are you still working with those people?

• 40:16Speaker 01

  Which person?

• 40:16Speaker 02

  No, we're not.

• 40:17Speaker 04

  So, don't you feel kind of?

• 40:19Speaker 02

  But, the beautiful thing about the podcast is that, as much as people say otherwise, it really hasn't changed. Like formally, it's been the same.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  He starts to impress.

• 40:27Speaker 04

  What year is this of Lost Culture?

• 40:28Speaker 01

  The beautiful thing about the podcast is.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  This is really, that identity, DNA is really the same as it was.

• 40:33Speaker 04

  And I'm Peacock.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  Are we on a radio show?

• 40:36Speaker 02

  We're on a radio show.

• 40:37Speaker 04

  Um, but how long has it been now that you?

• 40:39Speaker 02

  10 years.

• 40:40Speaker 04

  What the hell?

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, when did you first hear that we were a podcast?

• 40:43Speaker 04

  I mean, it's like always been in my heart.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  And now, 800 years old.

• 40:47Speaker 04

  It's one of those things though, truly, where I actually, you know when you can't remember a time before something?

• 40:51Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 40:52Speaker 01

  That's sort of like.

• 40:53Speaker 04

  It's true.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  So it was, it first was Lord, then a few years later, we decided to just do the podcast.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  It's true.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  I think if there's no pure heroin, there's no Lost Culture.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 41:02Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 41:03Speaker 01

  Because I never started smoking weed then.

• 41:04Speaker 04

  Exactly, that, and that is the link, and that is the link between everything.

• 41:09Speaker 02

  Between everything. Wait, what's your favorite song on the album?

• 41:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, come on.

• 41:12Speaker 04

  Uh, I think Ribs.

• 41:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  Kind of a classic.

• 41:15Speaker 04

  I think it just like, that's the one I would choose.

• 41:18Speaker 02

  Distill.

• 41:18Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, yes, yes. Um, and I also think it's like, I, I, I loved her last album so much. And also, again, I feel like all of her albums, they came at the exact correct time and, and, uh, this one last year came out the first day of Glaston, or no, for the, yeah, the Friday of Glastonbury.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:43Speaker 04

  And we were, um.

• 41:45Speaker 02

  In the mud.

• 41:45Speaker 04

  We were, I wish it was muddy, we didn't.

• 41:47Speaker 02

  It wasn't muddy?

• 41:48Speaker 04

  People like, people were so stoked, it was that, that was my first one and we were playing Friday night at like 7:30, it was like the, it was the best weekend of my life.

• 41:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:56Speaker 04

  But her album came out that morning and she had a surprise show and I wasn't on festival grounds yet, but I sat and I got ready to go, listening to her album and it was just, it's the exact same feeling. It feels like you're like, being like plugged into your life.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  Oh, that's a great way to put it.

• 42:12Speaker 04

  I just love her. Have you guys, she's not been on the show.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  She actually was supposed to come in and then we had to reschedule or it just didn't end up happening for that cycle, but she's been floating around the pod for a while.

• 42:24Speaker 04

  She's just the coolest.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:25Speaker 04

  She's so cool.

• 42:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:30Speaker 01

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• 42:40Speaker 02

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• 42:46Speaker 01

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• 42:51Speaker 02

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• 43:03Speaker 01

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• 43:13Speaker 02

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• 43:13Speaker 01

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• 43:14Speaker 02

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• 43:20Speaker 01

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• 43:25Speaker 02

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• 43:34Speaker 01

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• 43:37Speaker 02

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• 43:52Speaker 01

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• 43:57Speaker 02

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• 44:06Speaker 01

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• 44:12Speaker 02

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• 44:23Speaker 01

  Hey, Bowen, point of order. It feels like nothing is what it says it is anymore.

• 44:26Speaker 02

  Point of answer, it's because everything has a catch.

• 44:29Speaker 01

  Hey, or it turns out to be something else entirely.

• 44:31Speaker 02

  Like a total catfish situation.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  Exactly, Bo.

• 44:33Speaker 02

  Except for hotels.com.

• 44:35Speaker 01

  Hmm, yeah, that one's pretty literal.

• 44:36Speaker 02

  Because it's hotels.com, it's in the domain. You go there, you book hotels, hundreds of thousands of them.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  And hold up, that's it?

• 44:45Speaker 02

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• 44:48Speaker 01

  Every stay?

• 44:49Speaker 02

  Every stay, no tracking or managing, just rewards that can be used like cash on future bookings.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  Which, by the way, already feels nicer than most rewards programs, okay?

• 44:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, members can also get up to 20% off bookings, so savings start right away.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  Does that mean no weird restrictions?

• 45:03Speaker 02

  And no blackout dates. Book what works, when it works. It's actually really fitting of real travel.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  So the name is honest, you're saying? And the rewards are too?

• 45:13Speaker 02

  Exactly. Hotels.com, it's all in the name.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  Okay, we've been talking about QP Mail for a minute now, Bo, and wow, the feedback we're getting. I mean, so many of y'all love this stuff.

• 45:24Speaker 02

  You're stopping us in the street going, I love QP. And if you're thinking, wait, what is QP? Uh, do you not have the internet? It's the OG Japanese mayonnaise, the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle.

• 45:38Speaker 01

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• 45:45Speaker 02

  QP is made with egg yolks only, giving it this incredibly rich umami flavor that elevates everything. Burgers, fries, sandwiches, chicken, noodles.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  Chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really love food and flavor use it.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  Whatever you're eating, QP it. So if you haven't tried QP yet, find the bottle with the red cap and see what everyone's talking about. You'll understand. QP, the original Japanese mayonnaise. Another common thread, you are, you are speaking, you speak of a lot of people whom you love in terms of a capacity life, maybe. Not that you're saying this about, about Lord, but it's like, she's 800 years old, there's an owl inside her.

• 46:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  Like, there's something spiritual.

• 46:31Speaker 01

  Do you see, do you see the animals in everyone?

• 46:33Speaker 02

  Do you see, yes.

• 46:34Speaker 01

  And who are we?

• 46:35Speaker 04

  That's beautiful.

• 46:37Speaker 01

  See the animals in us.

• 46:39Speaker 04

  You are reminding me of a bumblebee.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Oh! I've never heard that.

• 46:46Speaker 04

  You are.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  I've heard seal and I've heard every bad dinosaur.

• 46:50Speaker 04

  What the hell?

• 46:51Speaker 01

  I think I have a lot of friends that want to knock me down.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, sea lion for, and I see the sea lion content is coming up on your reels now too.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  It is, a lot of, a lot of times I'll be on reels now and I'll just flick, flick, flick, and then I'll see or, or, or, or. And I'm like, they know it's me.

• 47:06Speaker 04

  I don't, I hate when it's the videos of them in an institution.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  Well, okay, so then I posted this one great video.

• 47:13Speaker 04

  Rehabilitation center and I understand.

• 47:15Speaker 01

  And I think that's what it was because someone did get in my DMs and I, I did clock that everything else before they had said was also nasty. But they were like, why are you posting this, this captivated animal? I'm like, okay, I, I really just loved his energy.

• 47:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's everyone's so eager.

• 47:32Speaker 02

  This is, this is, this is the, this is the thing about reels.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  On the internet.

• 47:37Speaker 02

  No, we have to, we have to contact.

• 47:39Speaker 04

  Tip touch.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  Touch, touch, touch.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  God, my converse really ruins the vibe.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  I shouldn't have worn socks today.

• 47:44Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, you should have, I should have too.

• 47:47Speaker 02

  Now I don't want to wear, I want to show my ankles because you're going to make fun of them.

• 47:50Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, you should, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 47:53Speaker 02

  Don't!

• 47:54Speaker 04

  Don't!

• 47:55Speaker 02

  Wait, no, they're going to smell.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  No, wait, now I'm self-conscious.

• 47:58Speaker 04

  I'm loving the size.

• 48:00Speaker 02

  Beck is freaking out.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  Well, now, no, now they.

• 48:03Speaker 04

  Bowen, they are perfect feet.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  Well, not, not now, after a petting.

• 48:07Speaker 02

  Hold on, no, no, no, no, I, no, I'll do, I'll do this, no sock.

• 48:11Speaker 04

  Matt Leininger rips my shoes off, both of them. Perfect feet.

• 48:15Speaker 02

  Perfect feet, thank you.

• 48:15Speaker 04

  I'm in fact going to get on WikiFeet, make a profile.

• 48:18Speaker 02

  And then rate me?

• 48:19Speaker 04

  Rate, really? 11 out of 10.

• 48:21Speaker 01

  I think it's better with the sock.

• 48:23Speaker 04

  It's better with the sock and no one look at me now.

• 48:25Speaker 02

  If you went home and there was like a bot farm, that would be so funny. And if you just had a million phones in a room.

• 48:31Speaker 04

  It's me saying block Gracie Abrams.

• 48:34Speaker 04

  Trust me.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Trust me.

• 48:36Speaker 04

  It's me running the bot farm.

• 48:39Speaker 02

  That would be, that would be fun. Wait, wait.

• 48:41Speaker 04

  And you're a hummingbird to me.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  Ah!

• 48:43Speaker 04

  Sorry.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  A bee and a hummingbird, aren't we rivals?

• 48:46Speaker 02

  We're rivals.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  In the fields?

• 48:48Speaker 04

  What, are you?

• 48:49Speaker 01

  I just feel like a bee and a hummingbird, they do a lot of the same stuff.

• 48:51Speaker 02

  We're both going for the flower.

• 48:53Speaker 01

  But maybe they're friends.

• 48:54Speaker 04

  Though, in the, is it?

• 48:56Speaker 01

  I think, well, I guess it would depend what kind of bee. Because there's of course the queen bee, who's the top head honcho.

• 49:02Speaker 04

  Would you like that?

• 49:03Speaker 01

  The worker bees.

• 49:04Speaker 04

  Okay, you seem connected to the worker bee.

• 49:07Speaker 01

  No, I just kind of, I want some worker bees.

• 49:09Speaker 04

  Oh, you, I see.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  What's, what's Gracie, what's Gracie?

• 49:13Speaker 04

  I don't, no pressure.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  Well, I have one. Gazelle.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  I was going to say gazelle!

• 49:19Speaker 04

  Really?

• 49:20Speaker 01

  Well, because you're a gazelle, it's not that weird that we both said it, you are.

• 49:23Speaker 04

  What does that equate to?

• 49:25Speaker 01

  Graceful, elegant, one that is inspiring to the other grassland animals to leap higher, faster, stronger.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  Yes, earthy but, but can ascend.

• 49:35Speaker 04

  Thank you, that's very nice.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  One who the lions are trying to get, but they're often not quick enough. Because they're thinking one step ahead of these lions. Famously, gazelles absolutely never get attacked by lions, it just doesn't happen. Because they're so much smarter and quicker.

• 49:52Speaker 04

  It's like every doc is like them getting their necks like ripped out.

• 49:56Speaker 01

  Well, the lions are the bots.

• 49:57Speaker 04

  I'm like, trust.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  The lions are the bots.

• 49:59Speaker 04

  We cannot give them that much power.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  Fame is a god, no.

• 50:01Speaker 04

  Bots cannot be.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  No, they're hyenas.

• 50:06Speaker 04

  They're vultures.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  They're vultures.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  And we're not dead yet.

• 50:10Speaker 04

  And we're not dead yet.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  No. Fly somewhere else, you freaks.

• 50:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, whatever.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  The thing about Taylor, when she goes, I have a very strong opinion that when you are young, you just feel things more intensely. I'm like, that is tea.

• 50:23Speaker 04

  Do you, do you feel like, you feel things less as you age?

• 50:28Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  Really?

• 50:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:30Speaker 04

  Is it because there's fewer new feelings or why, or because, is it perspective and like right sizing?

• 50:36Speaker 01

  I think it's one-third my Lexapro dosage. I think it's one-third what you said.

• 50:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  And I think it's one-third, um.

• 50:45Speaker 02

  Memory loss.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:47Speaker 04

  That's the dream recipe.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  Honestly.

• 50:49Speaker 04

  Just what the doctor ordered.

• 50:51Speaker 01

  I didn't even think of memory loss because I forgot it.

• 50:53Speaker 04

  I literally have that.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  No, you don't.

• 50:56Speaker 04

  You guys.

• 50:57Speaker 01

  Are you a stoner?

• 50:58Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  Okay, so maybe.

• 51:00Speaker 04

  And I, and I've, I'm actually like, I'm right now in a, in a period of like, compared to before times.

• 51:06Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 51:06Speaker 04

  Basically, no, compared to before times.

• 51:10Speaker 02

  Because there's a lyric on the album where you're like, the weed from when we were 17 is like catching up to us. I'm butchering it, but.

• 51:14Speaker 04

  No, no, that's basically it.

• 51:15Speaker 02

  So like, what, like, what, where are you getting that?

• 51:17Speaker 04

  The, um, um, the lyric that comes before that is my brain half melted down, so for.

• 51:23Speaker 01

  Well, don't buy weed on the street in New York City.

• 51:25Speaker 04

  Well, I, New York weed is just a nightmare.

• 51:28Speaker 01

  It's evil.

• 51:29Speaker 04

  I also have a feeling that unless you're like with the exact right person in the exact right room.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:34Speaker 04

  Weed in New York, period, regardless of where you got it.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:38Speaker 04

  Can also be like insidious.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  And I think it's because I've been getting overstimulated recently in a new way that I feel, and then I was like, that's embarrassing. And that's my fault, that's no one's fault, that's like, I should just know myself now.

• 51:51Speaker 02

  Overstimulated, oh, wait, don't.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  Don't be bashful, don't you dare do that film acting towards us. Oh my gosh.

• 52:00Speaker 02

  She's got a future.

• 52:01Speaker 01

  Here's the thing, I don't know a bigger stoner than that person over there, Jared Frieder. And he smokes my weed and he, he has to lay down and he says, you're crazy.

• 52:10Speaker 04

  Because it's so heavy.

• 52:11Speaker 01

  I, I feel sad about the. I go in there and I'm like, and I'm like, I guess I'm just looking for some pre-rolls. And they're like, well, what do you want? And I'm like, what do you have that's rolled in key? And they're like, oh, you're going to love. This stuff, man. I don't know why I'm talking like a monster truck driver, but that's the energy.

• 52:27Speaker 04

  What scary place do you go?

• 52:29Speaker 01

  Ventura Boulevard. No, there is one there. I live next door to it.

• 52:33Speaker 04

  Are you guys stoners at the moment? Yeah, I know, I know. But what is that? Is that because, because?

• 52:39Speaker 02

  It's the only way I relax.

• 52:40Speaker 04

  Like daily, daily, daily o'clock?

• 52:42Speaker 02

  Uh, no, I, I was going to yesterday, last night, and I was like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna not.

• 52:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:48Speaker 02

  Totally fine. I got a raw dog at more.

• 52:50Speaker 04

  Yes, I think, I think what I've been learning recently is that there's, um, it's, for some reason right now, the, the, it feels like a fifty fifty chance of, of it like landing or really like sending me.

• 53:05Speaker 02

  Well, when you say you get overstimulated, is that when you're not stoned or when you're, when you're sober that you're like, oh, I need it?

• 53:12Speaker 04

  Sober, I feel like, um, this particular like month, there's just lots to be engaging with. It's just like, and it doesn't even, not in the, I just, it feels like I want to be ready.

• 53:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:30Speaker 04

  And I think that, um, I'm impaired when I'm impaired.

• 53:35Speaker 01

  Right, no, a hundred percent. I guess, I guess for me sometimes.

• 53:37Speaker 04

  I'm high when I'm high.

• 53:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think when I'm high.

• 53:40Speaker 04

  I'm kinda like, I think, I think when I'm high, I'm actually high and I, so it just is a little bit iffy these days, but, but, but then I have this fantasy like of, you know, like an evening that starts at four P M. and then the, the next day isn't, no obligations.

• 53:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:57Speaker 04

  That would be, you know what I mean?

• 53:58Speaker 01

  That would be wonderful.

• 53:59Speaker 04

  Also, living not here anymore.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 54:04Speaker 04

  You know, I don't smoke weed at all in London.

• 54:08Speaker 01

  So, cause they don't allow it.

• 54:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I, I think like, if we think New York weed is scary, like, I, I don't know. I don't know what's even going on in London. I just haven't engaged. And of course, pub culture, they're like, you're like, it's bright outside, have a drink. And then they're like, it's dark outside, have a drink. You're like, whoa.

• 54:24Speaker 01

  I'm so jealous of London because they're getting a Universal Studios.

• 54:29Speaker 04

  What?

• 54:29Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, congrats.

• 54:30Speaker 04

  You love that stuff.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, love. Let's go right now.

• 54:33Speaker 04

  Let's go.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  Do you wanna fly down?

• 54:35Speaker 04

  Play pure heroin.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  Now I'm just gonna do, now I'm just gonna do an award.

• 54:38Speaker 04

  We're leaving straight to Universal. Did, um, what was your last, cause they also love, seemingly love you.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  We love to sort of go.

• 54:47Speaker 04

  You love them.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  So, I think.

• 54:48Speaker 02

  London?

• 54:49Speaker 04

  No.

• 54:49Speaker 01

  No, the Universal Studios. London likes us too. London likes us too.

• 54:54Speaker 02

  No, we, no, and, and we love London.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  I'm doing my Christmas show in London this year.

• 54:58Speaker 04

  Oh, my god. When?

• 55:00Speaker 01

  Islington Hall.

• 55:01Speaker 04

  Islington Hall!

• 55:02Speaker 01

  Islington Hall.

• 55:03Speaker 04

  I played, we played there and I, and I got tattoos the day we played, lots of, I got tattoos the day we played that venue. I have such a long list for you.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  Oh, my god, yay!

• 55:13Speaker 04

  And also, and also you have to come over.

• 55:15Speaker 01

  I know. Will you be around in November?

• 55:16Speaker 04

  Uh, actually, wait.

• 55:18Speaker 01

  November fifteenth, eighteenth? No, oh, come on, please.

• 55:23Speaker 04

  Cancel the flight.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  You're not around, mama.

• 55:25Speaker 04

  Oh, wait, November?

• 55:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. What is it?

• 55:29Speaker 04

  We're in rehearsals.

• 55:30Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Well, I think this is coming out after we've announced the tour, so we can just say, that's what we're whispering about.

• 55:36Speaker 04

  In rehearsals for tour, maybe I'll quit the tour.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  By the way, we.

• 55:39Speaker 04

  And just come to your show.

• 55:40Speaker 01

  And we, we, we spoke earlier about the crowd happenings. I also wanna say, your performance was fucking great.

• 55:46Speaker 04

  That was so generous of you to be there and, and I vaguely recall.

• 55:51Speaker 01

  Can we say what happened?

• 55:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was gonna say, vaguely recall, there was no ticket for you.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  I get there, I'm excited to see Gracie, I go, hi, I think I'm on the list of Matt.

• 55:59Speaker 04

  And also, of course, I wasn't on my fucking phone till after the show, so then I'm like, I'm like, check my phone and Matt's like, hey, I'm outside. And I'm like, I'm gonna kill it.

• 56:10Speaker 01

  No, no, no. So I ended up buying a ticket and me, Jared, and our friend were there and it ended up being exactly what needed to happen.

• 56:16Speaker 04

  I'm so sorry.

• 56:17Speaker 01

  No, I needed her. Yeah, he already had his ticket.

• 56:20Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 56:20Speaker 01

  I was gonna be like, I was gonna be at that seat kind of by myself and then they were like, oh, okay, well, we just bought tickets. I was like, I'm buying a ticket, went in the pit and I needed to be there.

• 56:29Speaker 04

  So that you could see the.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  So I can interact with all my friends, to Sash.

• 56:34Speaker 04

  I, L A shows are very weird.

• 56:36Speaker 02

  How come?

• 56:37Speaker 04

  Um, well, I think a couple of things. I think every tour in the history of the world comes through L A.

• 56:43Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 56:43Speaker 04

  So I think there's like, a kind of.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 56:48Speaker 04

  Blase.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  They're just not, um, that excited about live shows. I always start my, my tour there because I'm like, I don't wanna come here later and then be like, what happened? Am I worse than I just was?

• 56:59Speaker 04

  Totally. I think also because I grew up there, I always have a fondness which helps make up for the like anticipation of it being less like.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:10Speaker 04

  Vibrant sometimes in the crowd. But I also, my, my curiosity for those who attend shows in L A is like, why not lean in because you're only enriching the experience if everyone's kind of like going nuts.

• 57:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 57:26Speaker 04

  For, for, for anyone else who's not me, not me. I'm just like, do you know like the, the like, cause touring is like the least cynical, like most whole, like, like going to a show, seeing anything live, it's like you're spending money, spending energy, you're getting dressed up, you're making a plan with friends probably, or you're even braver going alone.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:47Speaker 04

  And it's like you're singing with strangers.

• 57:50Speaker 01

  It's my favorite experience. And I will say, I've seen incredible shows in L A. Mostly they happen at the Greek.

• 57:55Speaker 04

  I love the Greek.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  It's the best.

• 57:57Speaker 04

  I love the Greek.

• 57:58Speaker 01

  We had like a Greek era, Jared and I. Have you been to the Greek, Bo? Like, and seen a show at the Greek?

• 58:02Speaker 02

  Never.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Oh, you gotta.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  I don't think I've ever, I was, my first L A concert maybe was gonna be, oh, no, was Lily Allen.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:11Speaker 04

  Oh, my god.

• 58:11Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, we saw Lily.

• 58:12Speaker 04

  That was in L A.

• 58:13Speaker 02

  That was in L A.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  The Orpheum.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  At the Orpheum.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  Where we did the cultural awards last year.

• 58:16Speaker 02

  But I was gonna go, I was gonna go with Jared to Tate McRae one day.

• 58:19Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 58:20Speaker 02

  That would have been fun.

• 58:21Speaker 04

  At M S G?

• 58:22Speaker 02

  Uh, no, at, um.

• 58:23Speaker 04

  Oh, at the Greek?

• 58:24Speaker 02

  At the Forum.

• 58:24Speaker 04

  Oh, at the Forum, god, anyway, whatever.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  We, we saw Maggie Rogers at the Greek, we saw Kacey Musgraves at the Greek, Muna I've seen twice.

• 58:30Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 58:32Speaker 04

  Imogen?

• 58:33Speaker 01

  Imogen Heap.

• 58:34Speaker 04

  Did she glove?

• 58:36Speaker 01

  It was really cool. That might have been the first concert we saw together, Imogen Heap. Honestly, like, so not to shit on L A shows because there are so many.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 58:45Speaker 01

  Like special moments that happen there.

• 58:46Speaker 04

  Also, it's like, I, I really, I have such a fondness and it is, it's crazy to get to play shows there, period, because there are venues that I like grew up going to, you know, so I know them well.

• 58:57Speaker 01

  You haven't done Coachella, have you?

• 58:59Speaker 04

  No.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  I want that. I want that.

• 59:03Speaker 04

  Hmm. I had, but, um, but, um.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  She's saying nothing but touching feet.

• 59:08Speaker 02

  But touching feet, interesting.

• 59:09Speaker 01

  I was, I was wanting to ask about.

• 59:11Speaker 04

  That's our Easter egg throughout the whole episode. Every time, I'm like, just see if they pick up on it.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  So, they're noting, the, the readers are noting that they touched feet at several different points during the episode. Um, I feel like what, we, cause we went there and I feel like there's an attitude amongst artists that like Weekend One of Coachella is bad and Weekend Two of Coachella is good. Is that a thing you can confirm that artists talk about?

• 59:33Speaker 04

  I have heard that in the discourse, just probably exactly as much as you have. But I wonder if it's.

• 59:41Speaker 02

  About ripping the band, breaking the seal?

• 59:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, maybe. Or like, I'm like, are there more like, I was gonna ask, um, are there more activations Weekend One that people are like eye roll?

• 59:51Speaker 01

  They are aplenty.

• 59:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:53Speaker 01

  They are aplenty.

• 59:53Speaker 04

  I've, I've been to Coach, I haven't been to Coachella in a long time. I went, um, in high school and it was so fun. I, I, and then this past summer, Glastonbury was our first of the festival run. And I, it has ruined everything for me.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  I bet.

• 1:00:07Speaker 04

  Have you done it?

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:00:09Speaker 04

  You guys, it's the best. It's like, I can't even begin to like.

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  I think B U K festivals, I mean, we only have one data point, which was, um.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  Oh, Mighty Hoopla. So fun.

• 1:00:20Speaker 02

  It's the gay one.

• 1:00:21Speaker 01

  It's the queer one.

• 1:00:21Speaker 04

  It's an incredible name.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  It's so funny. And it was.

• 1:00:24Speaker 04

  Where is that?

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  That's like, oh, my god, it's, it's on, um, it's, oh, it's a neighborhood down.

• 1:00:31Speaker 04

  Neighborhood down.

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  Neighborhood down.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  It's a neighborhood down. It's in a neighborhood down. Couldn't tell you. Wait, um, when are they gonna get Percy Pigs to the States? Let's, let's, let's.

• 1:00:43Speaker 04

  I don't know. Do you love them so much?

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  So much.

• 1:00:45Speaker 04

  I, I like them too.

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  Okay, well, then you don't care.

• 1:00:49Speaker 04

  I think they're so common these days.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  She loves, she loves Skittles.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  Do you have a favorite candy?

• 1:00:59Speaker 04

  Um, I'm like.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  This is the question we ask every guest.

• 1:01:03Speaker 04

  What was the candy?

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  What was the candy that made you say candy was for you?

• 1:01:07Speaker 04

  Um, what's my favorite candy at Reese's Pieces?

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  Come on, that's chocolate.

• 1:01:11Speaker 02

  There you see.

• 1:01:12Speaker 04

  It's barely chocolate.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  Girl.

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  Girl.

• 1:01:15Speaker 04

  Okay, fine, okay, fine, okay, fine.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  Pick a candy or else.

• 1:01:18Speaker 04

  Um, well, I ate, I ate a candy yesterday.

• 1:01:21Speaker 01

  Which was?

• 1:01:21Speaker 04

  Which was a, a sour pickle belt.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:01:25Speaker 04

  What the fuck?

• 1:01:27Speaker 01

  Who is she?

• 1:01:27Speaker 04

  It was so good. Wait, what's up with you guys and your personals?

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  She didn't wanna talk about candy anymore.

• 1:01:33Speaker 04

  No, I mean, all day, but.

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  No, for real.

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  For real.

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  But thi- this is the thing.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  No, let's, let's talk about our personals.

• 1:01:38Speaker 04

  Just what's going on. You guys are so busy.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  Well, my personal is, I'm happy because we're busy.

• 1:01:42Speaker 04

  Um, yeah.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  I like busy, being busy doing the thing.

• 1:01:45Speaker 04

  Like, in a parasocial way, overwhelmed for the both of you.

• 1:01:47Speaker 02

  No, there's no need.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  That you think we're too busy?

• 1:01:51Speaker 04

  Not too, but just you're doing like so much at such a high level that I think like, how, how?

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  I, I, I'm coming off of plain psychosis, for sure. Like, try to travel psychosis.

• 1:02:02Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, I think back to when you were like doing.

• 1:02:05Speaker 02

  Wicked, I mean, I'm, I'm.

• 1:02:06Speaker 04

  Wicked and S and L. I'm like, how the hell? And like, I just think sometimes.

• 1:02:12Speaker 01

  It was, it was a how the hell for sure. Now, in retrospect, I think we're happy that Wicked is out there and that you're in it.

• 1:02:19Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  But during it, yeah, you had, you had to do it.

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  I had, uh, there was no way I wasn't gonna do both. You know what I mean?

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  You're a gay guy that's offered Wicked and they tell you, and you say, well, what's the role? And you say, well, you're gonna be Ariana Grande's sort of gay best friend. And so they, and then you go, okay, yeah.

• 1:02:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:42Speaker 02

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• 1:02:51Speaker 01

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• 1:03:57Speaker 01

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• 1:04:04Speaker 02

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• 1:04:10Speaker 01

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• 1:04:27Speaker 01

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• 1:04:43Speaker 01

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• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  Hey, or turns out to be something else entirely.

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  Like a total catfish situation.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  Exactly, Bo.

• 1:05:57Speaker 02

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• 1:05:59Speaker 01

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• 1:06:00Speaker 02

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• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  Every stay, no tracking or managing, just rewards that can be used like cash on future bookings.

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  Which, by the way, already feels nicer than most rewards programs, okay?

• 1:06:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, members can also get up to 20% off bookings, so savings start right away.

• 1:06:25Speaker 01

  Does that mean no weird restrictions?

• 1:06:27Speaker 02

  And no blackout dates. Book what works, when it works. It's actually really fitting of real travel.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  So the name is honest, you're saying? And the rewards are too?

• 1:06:37Speaker 02

  Exactly. Hotels.com, it's all in the name.

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  Okay, we've been talking about QP Mail for a minute now, Bo, and wow, the feedback we're getting. I mean, so many of y'all love this stuff.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  You're stopping us in the street going, I love QP. And if you're thinking, wait, what is QP? Uh, do you not have the internet? It's the OG Japanese mayonnaise, the one with the red cap and the little baby on the bottle.

• 1:07:02Speaker 01

  Once you know it, you start seeing it everywhere. People ask what makes it different from basic mayo. Well, the answer, egg yolks.

• 1:07:08Speaker 02

  QP is made with egg yolks only, giving it this incredibly rich umami flavor that elevates everything. Burgers, fries, sandwiches, chicken, noodles.

• 1:07:19Speaker 01

  Chefs use it, restaurants use it, people who really love food and flavor use it.

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  Whatever you're eating, QP it. So if you haven't tried QP yet, find the bottle with the red cap and see what everyone's talking about. You'll understand. QP, the original Japanese mayonnaise.

• 1:07:37Speaker 01

  I think we're having another like 2024 moment.

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  Like girl, early summer.

• 1:07:41Speaker 04

  So much music coming out, it's the best news.

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  It's so cool.

• 1:07:43Speaker 01

  I was watching someone react to Short and Sweet, and I remember texting you about Short and Sweet when it came out.

• 1:07:48Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:07:48Speaker 01

  And you were like, I can't believe she just swooped in and made the album of the year at the last second.

• 1:07:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know, it's, it's, I'm sorry, but also what can't she do? And like, I think, I feel like all of us at this point are done being surprised by how phenomenal. She's just cemented like forever, forever, forever.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:04Speaker 04

  Like, there's like, you know, and I'm also like, talk about someone who I wish would take a nap for the sake of her heart and soul. Though what do I know? And she seems like, I mean, she's glowing harder than.

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  You guys are all coming up and solidifying together at the same time in a generation. That, that feels very cool. You're a part of like a cool class of pop girlies.

• 1:08:26Speaker 04

  I love them. I'm just happy to be here today.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  Are you on a group chat?

• 1:08:30Speaker 02

  Thank God for you all.

• 1:08:30Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:08:33Speaker 04

  Not necessarily.

• 1:08:33Speaker 01

  It's a group chat called Slade 2024 and now 2026.

• 1:08:37Speaker 04

  2024 is back. 2024, we're so back.

• 1:08:42Speaker 02

  It's the two year anniversary of 2024.

• 1:08:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly, exactly.

• 1:08:45Speaker 01

  Do you ever go into Soho and like hang?

• 1:08:47Speaker 04

  Like, not often, no.

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  I don't know a lot about it. Is that a weird thing for you to do? Go to Soho and hang?

• 1:08:54Speaker 04

  Yummies.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  There's some, there's some yummies.

• 1:08:56Speaker 04

  Have you been to Mountain?

• 1:08:57Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:09:00Speaker 01

  What's so good about the mountain?

• 1:09:01Speaker 04

  Mount, the mountain.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  The mountain.

• 1:09:04Speaker 04

  It is basically like the mount, it's so good. It's just a really delicious restaurant. It's like, super, super fresh, like yummy, like small plates, but also like big plates.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  Well, we love Deshume.

• 1:09:14Speaker 04

  Oh, we love Deshume, I love Deshume so much.

• 1:09:16Speaker 01

  We ate at Deshume twice last time we went.

• 1:09:19Speaker 04

  The time, like three times a week, yeah.

• 1:09:21Speaker 02

  Deliver to Deshume.

• 1:09:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, my code is 24. If you need it.

• 1:09:25Speaker 02

  Slade 2024.

• 1:09:26Speaker 04

  Did you get, you shot in London?

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  We shot in London.

• 1:09:28Speaker 04

  Was it at, what's it called?

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  Leavesden, and we did Elstree, and then we went, we shot like all the shit stuff like in this, um, literal AstroTurf farm. Cause they gotta grow it, cause it's fake.

• 1:09:40Speaker 04

  Cause it was real.

• 1:09:41Speaker 02

  Well, I, I understand.

• 1:09:42Speaker 04

  Oh, sorry, AstroTurf, not real.

• 1:09:44Speaker 02

  It was never clear, it was never clear if it was like, if it was AstroTurf or that it was fake, like, why don't you just make it in the factory? But they needed to like lay it out or something. Make it in the factory, you know what I mean?

• 1:09:52Speaker 04

  Make it in the factory.

• 1:09:53Speaker 02

  Make it in the factory.

• 1:09:54Speaker 04

  Album of the year, just make it in the factory.

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  Make it in the factory. And then we would stay at The Grove, which is all the way out. But anyway, we love Deshume and it's fine. It's, it's, it's amazing.

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  No, it's not fine, it's excellent. And I heard a rumor they're bringing it to America.

• 1:10:08Speaker 04

  Wow, great.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  Did I make that up?

• 1:10:10Speaker 02

  No, you didn't.

• 1:10:11Speaker 04

  Wow, that's amazing.

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  New York.

• 1:10:13Speaker 04

  I love their sauces, their chutneys and such.

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  Their chicken biryani Britannica, Britannia.

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  Chicken Britannica.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  He's probably your drag mate.

• 1:10:27Speaker 02

  It's, oh my god, yes.

• 1:10:29Speaker 04

  That's good.

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  Chicken Britannica.

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  Chicken Britannica.

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  And I'll be pork Britannica.

• 1:10:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're not pork.

• 1:10:34Speaker 01

  What am I?

• 1:10:36Speaker 04

  You're not pork, eye roll.

• 1:10:37Speaker 02

  Eye roll.

• 1:10:38Speaker 01

  I'm veal, I'm veal Britannica.

• 1:10:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  Wow, I love that for me. Wait, I just winked at your team. I'd made eye contact with her and I gotta go.

• 1:10:48Speaker 04

  I'm always doing shit like that with them.

• 1:10:51Speaker 01

  Do you love the team?

• 1:10:53Speaker 04

  I love everyone so much.

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  Give ourselves a hand. Give it up for the team.

• 1:10:59Speaker 04

  It's really, I'm the luckiest in the universe.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  You're loving life, it's gonna be an incredible sum.

• 1:11:05Speaker 04

  It's gonna be a sum, it's gonna be a sum.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  It's gonna be a busy.

• 1:11:07Speaker 04

  Yes, but, but like, thank god and thank god and I think, I think there's so much to return to at home as well.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's good.

• 1:11:20Speaker 04

  I love, I also love learning what it's like to be at home too.

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  Congrats on your culture award nomination.

• 1:11:28Speaker 04

  Thank you so much. We were both touched beyond belief, beyond belief.

• 1:11:33Speaker 01

  And there were so many options of them.

• 1:11:39Speaker 04

  We did it.

• 1:11:40Speaker 01

  We did it, hon.

• 1:11:41Speaker 02

  Wait, he wanted a picture with me when we, when he was at SNL.

• 1:11:45Speaker 04

  Oh, I, that was, I, that was, I loved that episode, of course.

• 1:11:50Speaker 02

  He was so funny. We wrote him the craziest sketch in the world.

• 1:11:54Speaker 04

  Are you talking about the? Oh, was she in?

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  She was, well.

• 1:11:59Speaker 04

  Oh, of course, yeah, she was, she was in the flesh.

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  She was in the flesh.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  She was no lead of that episode of SNL.

• 1:12:03Speaker 04

  God, that was amazing. The fact, first of all, the fact that like, end credits.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  It's Paul.

• 1:12:10Speaker 04

  Paul and Trisha. I was like, I can, I can go now.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  By the way, Trisha is television's biggest star. She stars on Hacks and she also was on, um, was she on the comeback?

• 1:12:22Speaker 04

  She was on Euphoria just now.

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, she was on Euphoria.

• 1:12:24Speaker 04

  Oh, no, no.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  Trisha is all over television.

• 1:12:28Speaker 04

  Are you guys dear friends?

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  Bowen knows Trisha.

• 1:12:30Speaker 02

  Um, I spent one day with her.

• 1:12:35Speaker 04

  I just didn't, I was like, I didn't know where in the like, cause I, I just, of course, like the rest, I have a million.

• 1:12:40Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:12:40Speaker 04

  Questions, like, I just want to know everything.

• 1:12:42Speaker 01

  Well, the best was when we went to go see Lily Allen's show, and then there's a bit in the show where Lily Allen points to Madeline. This woman rises up and Bowen is like, is that Trisha? And it was Trisha Paytas. By the way, the next night, it was Lisa Rinna.

• 1:12:55Speaker 04

  I saw that.

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  Incredible.

• 1:12:57Speaker 04

  I saw that.

• 1:12:58Speaker 01

  Do you have Bravo takes?

• 1:13:00Speaker 04

  Uh, well, so you've been my guide.

• 1:13:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:04Speaker 04

  I had, that was, that was definitely not the start of us loving each other.

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:13:08Speaker 04

  But, or me loving you, I can't speak for you.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  But it was, but it was the secret of us.

• 1:13:12Speaker 04

  It was the secret of us. It was, it was the.

• 1:13:15Speaker 01

  That sort of worked.

• 1:13:16Speaker 04

  That was really nice.

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  That was really good.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 1:13:19Speaker 04

  Really nice. I, um, I've just done Salt Lake.

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:25Speaker 04

  Or I've died a while ago.

• 1:13:26Speaker 01

  Can I ask?

• 1:13:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:27Speaker 01

  Big polls from Salt Lake, where do you stand? Who, who is, who's your girl?

• 1:13:32Speaker 04

  What's scary again about like the memory of it all is I don't even remember where we left them.

• 1:13:37Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 1:13:37Speaker 01

  That's, I think, fine.

• 1:13:38Speaker 04

  Where did we leave them? Oh, oh, um.

• 1:13:41Speaker 01

  Probably upset on an island.

• 1:13:44Speaker 04

  Uh.

• 1:13:45Speaker 02

  About Whitney?

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  Whitney.

• 1:13:46Speaker 04

  Bronwyn.

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  Bronwyn.

• 1:13:47Speaker 04

  Bronwyn and Bronwyn, she was not.

• 1:13:51Speaker 02

  Bronwyn is no longer.

• 1:13:52Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. She announced that she's getting a divorce.

• 1:13:54Speaker 04

  That was where we left it, right?

• 1:13:55Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 1:13:55Speaker 04

  Kind of there.

• 1:13:56Speaker 02

  She and Todd are not together.

• 1:13:57Speaker 04

  Um, what are my takes?

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  She now dates a male model.

• 1:14:00Speaker 04

  Incredible.

• 1:14:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:01Speaker 04

  Oh, but Survivor, not Bravo. What if there's a Bravo Survivor crossover? Can I pitch that?

• 1:14:08Speaker 01

  I think you just did.

• 1:14:09Speaker 02

  You.

• 1:14:09Speaker 04

  Imagine.

• 1:14:10Speaker 01

  And this is the place where manifestation happens.

• 1:14:12Speaker 04

  Survivor?

• 1:14:13Speaker 01

  Wait, we were just talking about the season.

• 1:14:15Speaker 04

  Immunity challenges?

• 1:14:16Speaker 01

  Like soon.

• 1:14:17Speaker 04

  Heather Gay is like taking everyone down.

• 1:14:19Speaker 01

  Heather Gay would be good.

• 1:14:20Speaker 02

  Heather Gay would be great.

• 1:14:20Speaker 04

  You guys are dear friends.

• 1:14:21Speaker 01

  You have no idea what I'm fighting for at home.

• 1:14:26Speaker 04

  What's her, what was her, what was her, um?

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  I want to win Survivor.

• 1:14:30Speaker 04

  What was her line, season one of Salt Lake?

• 1:14:32Speaker 02

  I'm devastated.

• 1:14:33Speaker 04

  Like my.

• 1:14:33Speaker 02

  Like, like my pioneer ancestors. I'm blazing a new trail.

• 1:14:36Speaker 01

  I'm blazing a new trail.

• 1:14:37Speaker 02

  I'm blazing a new trail.

• 1:14:38Speaker 01

  Just like my pioneer ancestors.

• 1:14:40Speaker 02

  I've never been so happy.

• 1:14:42Speaker 04

  And my favorite is, is, my favorite is.

• 1:14:45Speaker 01

  You come for me, I will send Jesus after you.

• 1:14:47Speaker 04

  Who is that?

• 1:14:48Speaker 01

  Mary Cosby herself.

• 1:14:49Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, of course. And, um, Meredith's, uh, jealousy is a disease. To which I say, get well soon.

• 1:14:56Speaker 01

  To which I say.

• 1:14:57Speaker 04

  Which I say.

• 1:14:57Speaker 02

  We've said syntactically makes no sense. She's saying to the disease.

• 1:15:02Speaker 01

  Jealousy is a disease. To which I say, get well soon.

• 1:15:06Speaker 04

  There are, that is.

• 1:15:07Speaker 01

  She should keep speaking and not making sense.

• 1:15:09Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:15:09Speaker 01

  It's her whole bag.

• 1:15:10Speaker 02

  It's her whole thing.

• 1:15:11Speaker 04

  God.

• 1:15:11Speaker 01

  You can leave.

• 1:15:13Speaker 02

  Well, you didn't speak up for me at all.

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, the eyes.

• 1:15:16Speaker 01

  Well, you didn't speak up for me at all.

• 1:15:19Speaker 02

  She's recording us? You have to leave.

• 1:15:21Speaker 04

  There's the, it's the looking down, the, there's the like head to the wall.

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  Question. What's the goal? What's the goal? Well, she can fuck off. There's a, it's, it's a never ending wheel of way you can say words.

• 1:15:39Speaker 04

  That's incredible.

• 1:15:40Speaker 01

  That is just fuck off. It's very Brian Cox.

• 1:15:46Speaker 04

  It is. I did.

• 1:15:48Speaker 01

  I would love to see.

• 1:15:49Speaker 04

  Wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 1:15:50Speaker 01

  Actors, Meredith Marks and Brian Cox.

• 1:15:51Speaker 04

  Yeah. Can you do it one more time?

• 1:15:53Speaker 01

  Fuck off.

• 1:15:55Speaker 04

  And he, and he turns around.

• 1:15:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:57Speaker 02

  And then turns around.

• 1:15:57Speaker 01

  Fuck off.

• 1:15:58Speaker 02

  Fuck off.

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  Fuck off.

• 1:15:59Speaker 04

  Fuck off. Fuck off. You went a little.

• 1:16:02Speaker 02

  Helena better get you saying fuck off in the movie.

• 1:16:05Speaker 04

  I will put that in whatever my next conversation is. You ever like give each other a word to drop in a, in a, in like an interview or something?

• 1:16:12Speaker 02

  No, should we do that?

• 1:16:13Speaker 04

  I dare you to do fuck off.

• 1:16:15Speaker 02

  Fuck off.

• 1:16:16Speaker 01

  Okay, so we, we should do that. We're gonna be, we're about to be doing a lot of interviews together, but this will come out, I think, after all those interviews.

• 1:16:22Speaker 04

  Like we were saying.

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  So now let's say, let's choose. This is an Easter egg.

• 1:16:25Speaker 04

  Megita Perez.

• 1:16:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:16:27Speaker 02

  Okay. Yep.

• 1:16:28Speaker 04

  That should be easy, to be honest.

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  Okay, what interview is gonna be the hardest one to drop Megita Perez in?

• 1:16:34Speaker 04

  Are you guys doing?

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  Watch What Happens Live, the nonsense.

• 1:16:36Speaker 02

  New York Times cooking.

• 1:16:36Speaker 04

  How many times have you done that?

• 1:16:38Speaker 01

  Watch What Happens?

• 1:16:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:39Speaker 01

  I think this is my 10th appearance.

• 1:16:40Speaker 04

  Is it fun?

• 1:16:41Speaker 02

  So fun.

• 1:16:42Speaker 01

  And so quick.

• 1:16:42Speaker 04

  I feel like, um, I need more.

• 1:16:46Speaker 01

  Context.

• 1:16:47Speaker 04

  No, no, no, just more, well, yes, of the Bravo verse. Like, I feel, I, I would feel like a bit of a fraud, I think, being across from him and like speaking on anything.

• 1:16:57Speaker 01

  Sally Field was on the other night. Didn't know shit about Bravo, but she's Sally Field.

• 1:17:01Speaker 04

  But she, she can do it.

• 1:17:01Speaker 02

  She can do whatever she wants.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  Well, that's you. You're Sally Field, too.

• 1:17:04Speaker 04

  Don't even look at me like that. Never, never even.

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  What, like Sally Field?

• 1:17:08Speaker 04

  Don't look at me like Sally.

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  That's a Real Culture number eight. Don't look at me like Sally.

• 1:17:15Speaker 04

  I, um.

• 1:17:15Speaker 02

  You said to role model every night when he opened for you.

• 1:17:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do not look at me like Sally.

• 1:17:20Speaker 02

  Wait, what's our word for Gracie?

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  Oh, for you to drop in?

• 1:17:23Speaker 02

  For you to drop in an interview.

• 1:17:24Speaker 04

  It's a word for her. Give me anything. Piss.

• 1:17:27Speaker 02

  Piss? No, wait, wait.

• 1:17:29Speaker 01

  Ding dong.

• 1:17:30Speaker 02

  Ironic.

• 1:17:30Speaker 04

  Ding dong.

• 1:17:31Speaker 02

  Ding dong.

• 1:17:32Speaker 01

  Ding dong.

• 1:17:32Speaker 04

  Happily.

• 1:17:33Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:17:33Speaker 01

  If.

• 1:17:34Speaker 04

  Ironic.

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  Ironic is crazy.

• 1:17:36Speaker 04

  Ironic.

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  Just, just describe some.

• 1:17:38Speaker 04

  That could, I could, that's like, it's like, they, they ask a question, like, what's it like writing a song? It's like, there's this ionic.

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, like, like.

• 1:17:47Speaker 04

  That you lean against.

• 1:17:48Speaker 01

  I wanted to describe, I wanted to explore like a more ionic sound on this album and that meant.

• 1:17:54Speaker 02

  I buy it.

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  Cause people are gonna be like.

• 1:17:57Speaker 04

  And, yeah, people would love that shit.

• 1:17:58Speaker 01

  And then some people are gonna be like, what the fuck is she talking about?

• 1:18:01Speaker 04

  What do you mean?

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  But you have to be brave enough.

• 1:18:02Speaker 04

  They block me.

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  To traffic in that confusion. They block you.

• 1:18:07Speaker 02

  Don't understand why anyone would.

• 1:18:09Speaker 04

  What new music are you guys liking these days?

• 1:18:12Speaker 01

  Mona.

• 1:18:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:18:14Speaker 02

  Mona.

• 1:18:15Speaker 04

  Do you guys listen to underscores?

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  Oh, no. Talk about this.

• 1:18:19Speaker 04

  Listen to the beginning of this, just like.

• 1:18:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:23Speaker 04

  Isn't it beautiful? Kind of Imogen, like.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  Wait, I've heard this.

• 1:18:27Speaker 04

  But it's kind of like.

• 1:18:29Speaker 02

  Fuck, I love it.

• 1:18:31Speaker 01

  Oh, it's a gag.

• 1:18:32Speaker 04

  It's really good.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  Have you put this on a playlist and sent it to me and I didn't listen to it? Jared, he always does that.

• 1:18:37Speaker 02

  Um, Subie Club? You should, you would love Subie Club. It's very like punk, but with the, this kind of like.

• 1:18:43Speaker 04

  Okay, you're, you're a Slater fan. I saw you at Coachella.

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  And, um, Tom Mish?

• 1:18:48Speaker 04

  Oh, amazing. Love.

• 1:18:50Speaker 02

  I'm, I've been spinning that album for weeks.

• 1:18:54Speaker 04

  Um, some of my friends are deeply obsessed and in it, and I need to kind of like spend more time there.

• 1:18:59Speaker 02

  And, and the Tom world? Hot Little British Guy, you know?

• 1:19:03Speaker 04

  Incredible.

• 1:19:03Speaker 02

  We love that.

• 1:19:04Speaker 01

  Right now, I'm very, kiss me and I am a drop dead.

• 1:19:08Speaker 04

  Oh, of course, of course.

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  I'm kind of drop dead coded.

• 1:19:11Speaker 04

  Every, every time the radio comes on.

• 1:19:13Speaker 01

  And I have to say, I.

• 1:19:14Speaker 04

  Follow me there.

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  Can't Believe Begged, the second show she sang on SNL.

• 1:19:19Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  She's a freak.

• 1:19:20Speaker 04

  She's such a freak. Her voice has never sounded better somehow.

• 1:19:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:24Speaker 04

  It's just the control.

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  I'll say the same thing for you, by the way. And wait, can we just, before we do, I don't think so, honey, actually talk about like.

• 1:19:30Speaker 04

  Sure, yeah.

• 1:19:30Speaker 01

  Your amazing work. I, I just want to say, like, we were listening to, Jared and I listened to it together, Hit the Wall. Can you just talk about, like, finding all this bigness in your sound? Because you've always had big emotions and I feel like this sound sonically is even bigger and matching those emotions now. Is that something you strove for?

• 1:19:52Speaker 04

  Well, I think it was just like being in, the whole thing was informed by having been on the road for the past few years, but like really diving into the production process once it ended, tour ended. And I think that there was a lot of like more patience or like space in this album actually, or it felt like it matched my sort of internal rhythm being offro, off-road.

• 1:20:16Speaker 01

  Off-roading. When you were off, when you were off tour, you were off-roading.

• 1:20:20Speaker 04

  Off the road.

• 1:20:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:21Speaker 04

  Um, when tour ended. And so I feel like there's this kind of, to me, conversation in the album between having space and then also when songs do want to build, we were very intricate in the production of so many vocal layers and where, you know, I felt like the story would benefit from that kind of impact. And it was, it was a real treat to make. I don't know. We, we were, it was all very thoughtful and Aaron and I made this together. Again, this is our sixth year working together. And I love him because he's not like, he sort of reminds me at least that you don't need to

• 1:21:01Speaker 04

  make some radical change in order to like have your next album be a valid step forward and your kind of like artistry or just being a person. It's like, it can just accurately reflect where you're at. And to me, this felt like, um, it felt like the most elevated version of all of the ways that we've written and worked together in the past. Like, there's his Gothic folky sounds that he's like mayor of Gothic folk town and, um, and like, what if it's right? And humming, do things like that. And then like Good Reason feels like a sister song to I Love You, I'm Sorry in ways to me, but like

• 1:21:40Speaker 04

  different. And then like Look at My Life, we wrote To a Pulse, which we do all the time. Or like Cold Goodbyes, we just did one instrument in my vocal.

• 1:21:47Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:21:48Speaker 04

  Or like Hit the Wall felt like,

• 1:21:52Speaker 04

  I don't know, there are all these kind of like trances that, that envelop us in the studio. And this was a real heavenly experience to, to do it. And I'm grateful to him because I was having this like on tour toward the end where everyone has been on the bus and with each other and just like the energy and the kind of like social, like being on and the, where you're sort of like white knuckling in a way that is full of gratitude, but also like survival mode a bit in order to get through. I was just so, my voice inside my head was like

• 1:22:34Speaker 04

  not there anymore. Like I was so tired. I just felt like absolutely gone. And Aaron's music with no words and no vocal, nothing, like always sort of like presses some button in me that like allows me to.

• 1:22:50Speaker 04

  Remember what I feel and remember my perspective and hear myself again. So this album was a surprise to me.

• 1:22:58Speaker 01

  That's really interesting. Like he, he creates like escape for you to then like inhabit.

• 1:23:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, like hear yourself again.

• 1:23:05Speaker 01

  That's really cool. I was thinking while I was listening to it that it's made for a live experience too. Like Daughter from Hell is just gonna be such a communal moment for everyone there, I feel.

• 1:23:16Speaker 04

  I hope so.

• 1:23:17Speaker 01

  You do have them wanting that experience.

• 1:23:19Speaker 04

  Well, they're really bringing it. I get to just hang out and watch them have a good time. It's really nice. But that song in particular, we wrote with um, this particular show in mind. Um, not this album, but we were thinking about a specific like festival experience. And that's on this amazing baritone guitar and it's just playing that, we've been in rehearsals this past week for lots of things and playing that live with the band.

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  It feels so good.

• 1:23:47Speaker 04

  Yeah. And like, it's interesting. It's so fun how quickly, like already playing these songs with the band. I'm like, my favorite song is shifting around always. And so I think, you know, just shout out to.

• 1:23:59Speaker 01

  Where are you at today, favorite song wise?

• 1:24:00Speaker 04

  I think The Knife for some reason.

• 1:24:02Speaker 01

  I love The Knife!

• 1:24:04Speaker 04

  That song gets me.

• 1:24:05Speaker 01

  Fuck!

• 1:24:06Speaker 04

  It's so good live. Like it's such a band song.

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:24:10Speaker 04

  And they're all just such brilliant players. So everyone who worked on this album, I'm addicted to. And I admire so much. So it was a joy.

• 1:24:20Speaker 02

  It's truly, well, thank you for sharing all that. That's so profound.

• 1:24:23Speaker 04

  Thanks for listening and letting me talk.

• 1:24:24Speaker 02

  You didn't say ionic, so whatever.

• 1:24:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, you just have to say ionic.

• 1:24:28Speaker 04

  Well, maybe like tune into like 102.7 Kiss FM will be like, just the ionic force.

• 1:24:36Speaker 01

  What honestly, if an interviewer one day says, so talk about the ionic nature of this album. Know that we sent them there.

• 1:24:43Speaker 04

  I'll say ding dong.

• 1:24:45Speaker 01

  Yeah!

• 1:24:46Speaker 04

  And it'll be this like.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  And they'll come in with a million dollars. It's a Mr. Beast challenge. Anyways, with that in mind, it is time for I Don't Think So Honey. Um, and really what it is, is it's a one-minute segment on this podcast where sort of cathartically, tear down something in culture that's been giving us some troubles. I'm finally speaking truth about something on this podcast.

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  Finally. Yeah. This is Matt Rogers, I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now.

• 1:25:11Speaker 01

  I Don't Think So Honey, Sunglass Shopping, when you have a long head and a bridge of your nose that is what? A little crooked. It's especially complicated by the fact that I'm colorblind. I go in to a sunglass store, shop, stand, whatever it is, any of those S locations, and I am met with strife, another S, because basically I can't, cannot, find a pair of sunglasses that fit my face.

• 1:25:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:25:37Speaker 01

  I am gonna need them custom made. I put them on. It's a little bit askew. I would rather they be full askew, because then it could be a statement. This is just nothing. It's just a little bit wrong. I already had the nose job.

• 1:25:51Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  So now what?

• 1:25:53Speaker 02

  Non-elective.

• 1:25:53Speaker 01

  Medically. I medically needed to have it.

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  15 seconds.

• 1:25:57Speaker 01

  That, but they wouldn't let me use my insurance to cover it because they said it was elective. But I say, if you saw the cyst in my nose at the time, you would know I couldn't have lived with it.

• 1:26:07Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  I don't know how we got there, but I Don't Think So Honey, Sunglass Shopping.

• 1:26:11Speaker 02

  And that's one minute.

• 1:26:12Speaker 04

  That was nice. Where was the cyst?

• 1:26:15Speaker 01

  Oh, honey, in there.

• 1:26:16Speaker 02

  Right there.

• 1:26:17Speaker 01

  I'll, I'll show you old picture of my nose.

• 1:26:19Speaker 04

  Could you not breathe?

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  So get this, it didn't affect my breathing at all. It just like, it was just like an inch long cyst.

• 1:26:25Speaker 04

  Your doctors are like, it's elective.

• 1:26:27Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:26:28Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:26:29Speaker 01

  Jared was my boyfriend at the time I had the cyst. Was that a medical necessity? It was the definition of necessity.

• 1:26:34Speaker 02

  Cause it smelled, didn't it?

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  Everyone, stop.

• 1:26:38Speaker 01

  This is my foot and my nose are my things to share.

• 1:26:41Speaker 04

  Everyone, stop.

• 1:26:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is my thing with Sunglass Shopping. Oh, I put on sunglasses. I go to the mirror to see myself. I can't see a damn thing in the mirror.

• 1:26:49Speaker 04

  It's so dark all of a sudden.

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  And that's a real culture. That's a real culture number 30. I put on sunglasses. It's all dark all of a sudden.

• 1:26:56Speaker 02

  Can't see a thing.

• 1:26:57Speaker 04

  You have an amazing nose.

• 1:26:58Speaker 01

  Thank you for saying that.

• 1:26:59Speaker 04

  What do you mean crooked? Where?

• 1:27:00Speaker 01

  You'll see. If you, if you really look, it's a little bit, the bone here.

• 1:27:05Speaker 04

  I can't see, but I trust you, of course.

• 1:27:07Speaker 02

  Is, is the crooked in the room with us?

• 1:27:09Speaker 04

  I also have a, I also have a sunglass problem. Let me see. It's absolutely straight.

• 1:27:16Speaker 01

  See, this is why I own these though.

• 1:27:18Speaker 04

  Oh, wow. Did you get them fixed for you?

• 1:27:20Speaker 01

  No, no, no. The, this was.

• 1:27:22Speaker 04

  It was very Austrian.

• 1:27:23Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:27:24Speaker 04

  Look at them.

• 1:27:24Speaker 01

  Thank goodness!

• 1:27:29Speaker 04

  Look at them.

• 1:27:29Speaker 02

  Very Austrian.

• 1:27:31Speaker 01

  Wow, out of the whole Wicked soundtrack, I chose Thank Goodness! Like, could have been any of the famous notes.

• 1:27:37Speaker 02

  You're Glinda.

• 1:27:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:27:39Speaker 01

  I'm gonna be Glinda-coded during your I Don't Think So Honey. Okay, so this is Bo and Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. Um, do you have a topic on today?

• 1:27:46Speaker 02

  I do.

• 1:27:47Speaker 01

  Fabulous. This is Bo's I Don't Think So Honey. I always go to the wrong thing before I time it. His time starts now.

• 1:27:54Speaker 02

  I Don't Think So Honey, reading taking such a long time. I wanna read every damn book in the world, basically, but it takes a minute. It do take time.

• 1:28:06Speaker 01

  What book?

• 1:28:06Speaker 02

  Results in time. I wish I could read a book in merely five minutes, but no. I think I am on page 57 and I'm gonna be on this page for the next six months.

• 1:28:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:18Speaker 02

  And that's what sucks about reading. A lot of great things about reading, but the worst, shittiest thing about reading

• 1:28:24Speaker 01

  30 seconds.

• 1:28:25Speaker 02

  is how you have to basically sit or stand and be visually uninteresting as this thing that has to ferment in your brain takes hold. I wish it were faster. There's no real substitute for actual reading. Uh, and I think we would be a much better society if we had, if our eyes moved faster, if we could read words on top of each other, stacked on top of each other, but there's just no way around it.

• 1:28:48Speaker 01

  Five seconds.

• 1:28:49Speaker 02

  It's linear and I wish it were radial. And that's one minute.

• 1:28:54Speaker 01

  And that's one minute. So what book is giving you trouble?

• 1:28:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was gonna say.

• 1:28:59Speaker 02

  I, Middlemarch.

• 1:29:01Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 1:29:02Speaker 02

  I wanna have a Middlemarch summer. I always try to have a Middlemarch summer. It doesn't, in fact, speaking of Wicked.

• 1:29:07Speaker 04

  You keep putting it down.

• 1:29:07Speaker 02

  I keep putting it because it's a big, big book and I had.

• 1:29:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, that's what I was gonna say. Like, of course, that would, that would take anyone time.

• 1:29:12Speaker 02

  It would take anyone time, but I had it on the set of Wicked.

• 1:29:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:14Speaker 02

  And then Cynthia was like, what book is that? I was like, it's Middlemarch by George Eliot and it's actually a woman, whatever. This was her pseudonym. She goes, I'll read that.

• 1:29:23Speaker 04

  Did you read it? Yeah, I was gonna say it's gone in like a day. Yeah, of course. Gone.

• 1:29:27Speaker 02

  The fuck, gone in a day.

• 1:29:28Speaker 04

  Gone in a day.

• 1:29:28Speaker 02

  Gone in a day. She read it in a week and I was like, she does everything fast. Have you seen her run? She brought it on the marathon. I was like, Cynthia.

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  I listened to this while I ran the marathon.

• 1:29:37Speaker 04

  She is like.

• 1:29:37Speaker 01

  I was playing Dracula.

• 1:29:38Speaker 04

  She's like a superhuman.

• 1:29:40Speaker 02

  She is incredible.

• 1:29:41Speaker 01

  Have you seen her play Dracula?

• 1:29:42Speaker 02

  Have you seen Dracula?

• 1:29:42Speaker 04

  I haven't. I haven't.

• 1:29:43Speaker 01

  I play it 27 different ways.

• 1:29:45Speaker 04

  Have you seen it?

• 1:29:46Speaker 01

  No. I, no, because I do it.

• 1:29:48Speaker 04

  No, because I do it.

• 1:29:49Speaker 01

  I don't see it. I am it.

• 1:29:52Speaker 04

  Maybe it's I Don't Think So Honey, like, well, I'd actually, no, I can't.

• 1:29:55Speaker 01

  Do you ever start to talk like this? No. Is Irish accent harder to announce?

• 1:30:01Speaker 04

  Uh, hell, yeah.

• 1:30:02Speaker 02

  Irish is so hard.

• 1:30:03Speaker 01

  He's talking crazy, your man.

• 1:30:05Speaker 04

  He's talking all sorts of shit.

• 1:30:08Speaker 01

  Are you ready for your I Don't Think So Honey?

• 1:30:09Speaker 04

  Uh, I think so, yeah.

• 1:30:11Speaker 01

  Okay, I have, I, I, do you keep like a bunch of them in your head or do you have one?

• 1:30:16Speaker 04

  Well, what was concerning me is that I, I, which I think is also like maybe, maybe pleasant, but then I was thinking about the two of you. I was like, I, I.

• 1:30:23Speaker 02

  Don't.

• 1:30:24Speaker 04

  Don't.

• 1:30:25Speaker 02

  Don't think about us.

• 1:30:28Speaker 04

  I was like thinking, I was like, I, even as I, as I, because I'm, even in this moment, I'm like, there's a couple that I could go with, um, and I might say them all.

• 1:30:38Speaker 01

  Follow your heart. And if they all come out, they all come out.

• 1:30:41Speaker 04

  I might list them all.

• 1:30:42Speaker 01

  This is Gracie Abrams, I Don't Think So Honey. Your time starts now.

• 1:30:45Speaker 04

  Okay. I Don't Think So Honey, Travel Etiquette Edition, with love and understanding that everyone operates in their own individual way.

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:30:53Speaker 04

  My personal hope and dream is that in public spaces, like not to go back to the feet.

• 1:30:58Speaker 01

  Please.

• 1:30:59Speaker 04

  But I feel it's fascinating, the impulse when we're on a plane, 30,000 feet up in the air, in a metal tube, that we're taking our socks all the way off.

• 1:31:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:08Speaker 04

  That fascinates me. I have also recently been on a flight where people were clipping their nails on the flight. Flight attendants are angels in the sky.

• 1:31:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:31:17Speaker 04

  Forget everyone you're sitting next to, you're making everyone uncomfortable. They are seeing that and that's their space. So I would just say, please. Um, another thing is, um, um, when you're going through TSA, you have to put the tray back in the thing.

• 1:31:30Speaker 01

  Oh, get bent.

• 1:31:32Speaker 04

  And then you feel performative beyond when you put everyone else's, not a nice feeling.

• 1:31:37Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:31:38Speaker 04

  Um, and then my last two are, oh shit.

• 1:31:41Speaker 01

  Go, same both.

• 1:31:42Speaker 04

  The mouth of the mouth of the, of the, of the, of the machine when you're, the bags are coming out.

• 1:31:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:47Speaker 04

  We bum rush.

• 1:31:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:49Speaker 04

  If everyone took a step back, we'd have air to breathe and we would have room to see. And we'd have room to stretch post-flight. And I just think these are things to maybe consider.

• 1:31:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:31:58Speaker 04

  And I'll leave it there.

• 1:32:00Speaker 01

  I Don't Think So Honey has been completed in one minute and 16 seconds.

• 1:32:04Speaker 02

  Five different things.

• 1:32:05Speaker 01

  Do you know what the other thing was? Cause you said there were two things that you decided to leave it there, but there's something else.

• 1:32:09Speaker 04

  I just think, I don't think, I don't think so, honey, like cig shaming anyone but yourself.

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. Got it.

• 1:32:16Speaker 02

  Cigarette shaming?

• 1:32:17Speaker 01

  Totally. Don't cigarette shame other people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:20Speaker 04

  Like, everyone is doing their best.

• 1:32:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would agree. Are you a smoker?

• 1:32:23Speaker 04

  Like, every once in a while.

• 1:32:24Speaker 01

  Everyone, I do it on vacation.

• 1:32:26Speaker 04

  Every once in a while.

• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:27Speaker 02

  I buy my parliament.

• 1:32:28Speaker 04

  It's a sunny Saturday.

• 1:32:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:30Speaker 04

  Or.

• 1:32:31Speaker 02

  You gotta do it.

• 1:32:32Speaker 01

  Or you've had one to five drinks.

• 1:32:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  If I've had one to five drinks, give me the cigarette.

• 1:32:37Speaker 04

  I'm so fascinated by the policing of certain behaviors and I'm like, I get it. Like, I understand.

• 1:32:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:41Speaker 04

  And we all have the same information.

• 1:32:42Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:32:43Speaker 04

  And therefore, like, you don't know what's going on in everyone's lives.

• 1:32:45Speaker 01

  I do have to be a vaporizer police, though.

• 1:32:47Speaker 04

  I certainly am not on that wave. I, and I know, and I know. When I heard that story, I stopped. I was on a Lime bike, got off it.

• 1:32:56Speaker 01

  Stop, really?

• 1:32:57Speaker 04

  Swear to God, because I was like, hold on. I was going too fast.

• 1:33:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:00Speaker 04

  I needed to slow down and hear you.

• 1:33:02Speaker 01

  These behaviors.

• 1:33:03Speaker 04

  Got off. And then walked home.

• 1:33:05Speaker 02

  And I would argue a Lime bike is sort of the vapes of vehicles.

• 1:33:09Speaker 04

  Well, and then another I don't think so, honey, that I was sitting on was that, like, I don't think so, honey, city bikes don't have the phone holders.

• 1:33:16Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:33:17Speaker 04

  Which is for safety and for like, a beautiful social kind of, you can call your, you can call your friend, like, not in a dangerous way.

• 1:33:22Speaker 02

  GPS or whatever.

• 1:33:23Speaker 04

  Which I know, I know New York is a grid and I know London, like, you really need to know where you're going.

• 1:33:27Speaker 02

  But London has the holders.

• 1:33:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:33:28Speaker 01

  Ah. They do it all better.

• 1:33:30Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:33:31Speaker 04

  No. Come on, New York.

• 1:33:34Speaker 01

  New York is fantastic, but...

• 1:33:35Speaker 04

  But, yeah, anyway.

• 1:33:36Speaker 01

  Listen, this has been...

• 1:33:39Speaker 04

  Just thank you.

• 1:33:40Speaker 01

  Just thank you.

• 1:33:41Speaker 04

  No, thank you so much. This is, this podcast, what you guys make, is a big part of the, you know, joy of my every week. So, thank you, and...

• 1:33:50Speaker 02

  I couldn't be more obsessed with you.

• 1:33:51Speaker 04

  I literally just couldn't be more grateful and you guys are, I'm just, I wish it wasn't ending. I'm like, it's not one o'clock.

• 1:33:58Speaker 01

  Well, we've done a lot. We've got Ionic back in the conversation.

• 1:34:01Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:34:02Speaker 01

  We've coined Magita Red.

• 1:34:04Speaker 04

  Magita Redes.

• 1:34:05Speaker 02

  Redes.

• 1:34:06Speaker 01

  Oh, but... Magita Redes.

• 1:34:07Speaker 02

  The original title of that was The Aubrey Situ-, uh, The Aubrey Situation.

• 1:34:10Speaker 04

  The Audrey Situation.

• 1:34:11Speaker 02

  The Audrey, oh, what's up?

• 1:34:12Speaker 01

  Well, there's the Audrey Situation in music and there's the Aubrey Situation on Survivor.

• 1:34:16Speaker 04

  Do we Magita, do we Magita Perez? No, Magita Redes. Do you like the Audrey Situation?

• 1:34:22Speaker 02

  I want people to stumble on Magita Perez the way that I did, which was not expecting and being absolutely...

• 1:34:29Speaker 01

  Gobsmacked.

• 1:34:30Speaker 02

  Gobsmacked.

• 1:34:31Speaker 04

  Okay, what's title of that? You guys have to decide.

• 1:34:32Speaker 01

  You would said it, I forget what it was, but it's in there.

• 1:34:34Speaker 02

  Everything Feet.

• 1:34:35Speaker 01

  Everything Feet.

• 1:34:36Speaker 02

  Everything Feet.

• 1:34:37Speaker 04

  That feels perfect.

• 1:34:38Speaker 02

  That's perfect.

• 1:34:39Speaker 01

  Oh, they're gonna flip.

• 1:34:40Speaker 04

  Everything Feet.

• 1:34:40Speaker 01

  Everything Feet with Gracie Abrams. Okay, well, looking forward to that.

• 1:34:44Speaker 04

  Fuck the dream.

• 1:34:44Speaker 01

  Hitting your airwaves soon, which is now, actually. Daughter from Hell.

• 1:34:48Speaker 02

  Daughter from Hell.

• 1:34:48Speaker 01

  And album is fantastic. All of your music is. Everything you do is exciting and great and we love you. And, uh, we'll see ya, we'll see ya over at Universal Studios 2030.

• 1:35:00Speaker 04

  Universal Studios, London.

• 1:35:01Speaker 01

  See you in 2030, guys. We end every episode with a song. What did we say we were gonna do? Oh.

• 1:35:11Speaker 01

  How does it start?

• 1:35:15Speaker 02

  Dreams of green tea.

• 1:35:18Speaker 01

  I'm just...

• 1:35:22Speaker 02

  Wait.

• 1:35:24Speaker 02

  While I'm waiting out front.

• 1:35:26Speaker 01

  This is gonna be really good for everyone and, um, oh, again. Well, what?

• 1:35:31Speaker 02

  Wait, hold on, hold on.

• 1:35:32Speaker 01

  I'm a stoner. Wait, what is it?

• 1:35:33Speaker 04

  No, no, I, I hope you just leave in when it's just Matt. Like this. You saved me. I'm the same, I'm the kid.

• 1:35:42Speaker 01

  Why that key? Anyway.

• 1:35:45Speaker 01

  Bye.

• 1:35:45Speaker 02

  Bye, straight to your airwaves.

• 1:35:47Speaker 04

  Yay.

• 1:35:48Speaker 02

  Last Cultureist is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio Podcasts.

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