"Coach Kelly" (w/ Kelly Clarkson)

Kelly Clarkson returns to Las Culturistas in a brand new era of her life. The winningest coach on The Voice (which is back now on NBC and streaming on Peacock), joins Matt + Bowen to discuss the things you find out in the back of a southern school bus, Powerful Ass Moments, gearing up to open for Garth Brooks at Stagecoach, the NFL season that is upon us, and the stylistic freedom of New York City. Also, Kelly learns about 1.5 speed for the very first time, Cosmic Rewind is discussed as a religious experience, and the fly Chinese grandmas of Shanghai get their time to shine. All this, Kelly's "Golden" Kellyoke, the special moment Kelly shared with Dolly Parton before she performed "I Will Always Love You", the many lives of the song "Piece by Piece", the difference between gum and corn, and lower back drama. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  Look, Matt. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Why? Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture. Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow.

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  Housekeeping.

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  Couple housekeeping notes. One, Lost Culture is gonna be twice a week, from this week to the end of the year. Woo! Get into it. Double stuffed.

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  Double stuffed. It's, we're doing, uh, culture catch-ups once a week.

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  Mm-hmm. Just me and the girl.

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  We're doing guests once a week.

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  Mm-hmm.

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  But just for the end of the year, we're just trying this out, and also, we owe iHeart contractually.

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  See, the thing about, the thing about this is a contractual obligation, but it's also fun. You know what I mean? Yeah. And when those two things can both be true, you're really cooking. You're cooking. You're winning.

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  Some contracts, not so fun. Take it from me.

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  Not so fun. We have two ex-NBC legends in the house, ready to spill all the tea. The second thing I want to say is Bowen Yang has completed his first week as Mary in Oh, Mary.

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  Yes.

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  And I have seen it twice now.

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  You're crazy for that.

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  I know. And the thing is, I am also richer in life and experience for that, because you are so good in it. And I just, it's obviously no surprise.

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  Was there a doubt?

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  Was there? There was no doubt.

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  There might have been a doubt.

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  Shut up. Maybe within you, not anybody else.

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  Because the thing about Bowen is, he's so amazing in the room. And like, now people have a chance to go see you in the room, and that's so exciting. And that is the way I say room, by the way.

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  Room. That's not a Long Island. That feels like, that feels like a...

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  Was it more room than rum? Because usually, I sometimes I'll say in my room.

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  Roomba.

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  Roomba.

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  How do, how do Texans say roof? Roof?

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  Um, it's on the roof.

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  Oh, see, it's so interesting.

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  What do you say?

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  Roof.

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  Roof.

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  Roof.

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  The roof is on fire.

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  The roof is on fire.

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  So now, the third thing we're gonna do is, we're gonna, we're gonna address the guest that's here. So if you're sitting at home, being like, why the fuck aren't they talking to Kelly Clarkson? That's what happens right now. So if you know, you know, this guest is great lore in the podcast.

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  She's the winningest judge on The Voice, which she's returning to. Yes, yes, clap, clap. Uh, it begins tonight, as of this recording.

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  Mysteriously performing at Stagecoach, and sort of on the precipice of what seems to be a new era. Don't worry, everyone. I'm on the case. You have the right person asking the questions today. Our guest is a Grammy-winning, Emmy-winning, total, just joy to be around, and we're so happy that she's here again. Please welcome Kelly Clarkson! And show the mug.

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  And I'm celebrating with the Mariah mug.

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  Yes.

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  Because we were talking about My All and all the, all the stuff last Mariah, the last episode, all Mariah.

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  And you never did cover it on the show, My All.

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  You know, okay.

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  I'm gonna be the only person to have qualms about your Kellyokeys.

• 5:17Speaker 04

  No, and I'm not calling anyone out. And it's very hard to get her songs cleared.

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  Absolutely.

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  Yes.

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  Yes.

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  So there were overtures made.

• 5:26Speaker 04

  There were, there have been many overtures made of many songs. And people will be like, why doesn't she cover? I'm like, I'm a huge fan, but like, not all songs can you get cleared.

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  A hundred percent.

• 5:34Speaker 04

  Yes. Because people would be like, why don't you cover this artist? Why don't you cover this artist? I'm like, I can't get everybody to clear all their stuff, you know?

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  Right.

• 5:40Speaker 01

  Which is another peek behind the curtain of this business.

• 5:42Speaker 04

  Yeah. Which is fine. Like, whatever.

• 5:44Speaker 02

  But do the Kellyokeys stay on for one year? Is that what the typical...

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  Forever.

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  Really?

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  Oh, that's huge.

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  I don't mean, it's, I guess it's like on, what do you mean, like, online?

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  So I'm just, I'm only coming at this from the total left angle, which is, on SNL, if you had any music, it could live online for just one year only, from air, and then after that, it was wiped across the board.

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  Oh, I don't know if I read the fine print. I don't know.

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  Me neither.

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  You do the same.

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  Anybody can still, I'm like, this one's fine to sign. It's like, I don't, I don't know if I know that, but I know that it... Yeah, they even, we even did a deal too, where it's on, um, like, my radio channel too. Like, we have some of them on air on there. I don't know if it's only allowed to live in a certain place, but I mean, I feel like, look, I tell my children, once it's on the internet, it's on there forever.

• 6:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good thing for them to learn now.

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  Yeah.

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  That's like a Gen Alpha lesson, that they know we don't, we didn't know.

• 6:38Speaker 04

  Oh, man. Aren't you just so happy? Like, I mean, y'all are a lot younger than me, but I just mean, I'm, every time I run into someone my age or older, I'm like, I could not feel more blessed to have not been

• 6:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  young in the social media era.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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  It's tough.

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  Because, you know, it's a learning curve for everyone, and to be of a certain age, learning that, would have been difficult.

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  How are you with your kids and the social media?

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  They're not allowed.

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  They don't have any. Yeah. They're still young.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah. And also, I mean, there's, we, I have conversations about it. I mean, it's not a democracy, it's just a no, but, but I do hear them, and I do, we do, like, have things that I'll, we just have pretty healthy talks about it. Because it's, it's also another layer of, like, they're my kid.

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  Exactly.

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  And I'm in the public eye, so it's like, people are, you're not ready.

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  No.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're not ready for this.

• 7:27Speaker 04

  I was like, you have, like, you see mommy being cheered all the time. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, there's a whole other side of it that's super not great, you know? And I just don't want them to... And people are addicted.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  People are addicted.

• 7:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:41Speaker 02

  I, I think I've mentioned this on this show before. I, I've resorted to a timed lockbox that fits my phone. And that's the only way I can sit through a movie in my own home. Is that not insane?

• 7:56Speaker 04

  I cannot relate. I am so good at not being on my phone, except if it's for my lover, ChatGPT.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  Okay. So what, what?

• 8:05Speaker 02

  Kelly, no!

• 8:05Speaker 01

  No, no, no, because I, I fell into it too. I'm now, I unfortunately...

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  I don't think I use it how everybody uses it.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  Okay, well, how do you use it?

• 8:12Speaker 04

  That made it sound dirty. I haven't tried that yet.

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  It actually has, it has limits. Sometimes it's like, I won't tell you that.

• 8:18Speaker 04

  Oh, I haven't done that yet, but I'm gonna do it for fun.

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  I was seeing how far I could push it.

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  No, I've never done that. No. I, on a designer level, I was having a hard time because I couldn't be somewhere. I was in Vegas doing stuff, and I couldn't be somewhere, and they were saying, what would you like here? And I was like, trying to describe it. I drew, usually I draw like extensive plans, like literally, I get into it. There's a key, there, it's colored, coordinated. It's like, but it takes me so long.

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  Yeah.

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  And now...

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  Yeah.

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  I'm like, just send me a picture of the hill.

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  Yeah.

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  And then I, they show me the picture, and then I put exactly what I want. I, it's a designer's dream.

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  Okay.

• 8:52Speaker 04

  Because you, yeah, I'm obsessed with it.

• 8:54Speaker 02

  So you're, wait, you're designing the hill for...

• 8:56Speaker 04

  I designed, like, I got this house, and it had, it just needed, um...

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  Just to some visual interest?

• 9:02Speaker 04

  Well, it needed, like, paths. It needed, like, um, you couldn't get to the little orchard with, I bought this house. Like, you couldn't get to parts of it. And I was like, okay, I want, and I, and I did it, I did a video and everything, but it's much easier to just show someone, like, this is exactly what I want, and you go through, and you like, fine-tune it. And I, my music director, Jason, showed me, and I have been obsessed since the summer.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  So is that your Montana place?

• 9:22Speaker 04

  It's a, that, I have a place in Santa Barbara. Don't, I'm gonna sound so, look, I've worked hard.

• 9:28Speaker 02

  You ever, you ever heard of all of it?

• 9:30Speaker 04

  I've worked hard. Um, no, I, I have a little, I've always wanted a little cottage by the sea. It's by no means a little cottage, but it is, it is cute. It is cute.

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  Humble in the way.

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  It is cute.

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  It's presented.

• 9:42Speaker 04

  It's cute.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  ChatGPT, can you make this more humble?

• 9:44Speaker 04

  I always like, no, I look, I was like, I'm coming up on 25 years in the industry, and I, and I was like, I always wanted a place in the mountains, and I got, thought, I'm gonna work so hard. I grew up in a shack. I was like, what I want is, I want a ranch one day, and I want a little place by the ocean.

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  Yeah.

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  And, um, I got a slightly bigger place by the ocean than I wanted, but, but it's cute, and it's not too big, and I have my ranch. So like, I'm like, 25 years later, it happened.

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  Yeah.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  You have earth and water. You have mountain.

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  I am almost all of Captain Planet. Like, I'm Earth, I got heart, ever.

• 10:18Speaker 01

  Hey, girl, you've always had heart, and we appreciate that.

• 10:20Speaker 04

  No, I do, I love, I, yeah, I love designing too. I just love, like, so that's really helpful.

• 10:24Speaker 01

  Have you always liked that?

• 10:26Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 10:26Speaker 01

  Yeah?

• 10:27Speaker 04

  Because my mother, we were so poor, I would come home, and, you know, and it would be, you know, we lived in either a tiny apartment or a tiny little shack in the wood. Like, it was always like some tiny place, which is fine. You can, by the way, you can take pride in wherever you live, and it can look amazing. And my mother would have the furniture, like, if she'd have the couch just on a different wall, she'd have the TV move, she would just move furniture to feel like it was new.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

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  But that's a way to do it, yeah.

• 10:51Speaker 04

  Oh, and she would take my pictures, and she'd cut me out, and she'd put me in the mountains.

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  No.

• 10:59Speaker 01

  She was the original chat.

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  She was literally the original chat G P T and like, but she would make it and I actually loved and she'd put, you know, plants and she'd change the furniture where it looked like nice and kind of fresh and new. And although it was really small, we always had our, our, you know, tiny little lawn mower that you, you could literally use a weed eater and not a mower, but like, it was so small, but like, but it was, I think it's like, it really taught me to take pride in whatever you're, whatever you live to take pride in it.

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  Amazing. Well, is she, was she a vision boarder? Are you a vision?

• 11:31Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. My mom was a teacher. So she had all those like boards, like that she was very creative.

• 11:36Speaker 02

  They gotta make that shit themselves.

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  I really, you don't really realize that until you're older and you have friends that are teachers. Well, my dad was a teacher, so I kind of understood, but he was a gym teacher, so he wasn't crafting the stuff.

• 11:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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  I didn't realize until people started posting on Instagram like, oh, yep, I'm here a week early, getting all my stuff together, like cutting out the name tags, but like, it's really, you have to have arts and crafts.

• 11:58Speaker 04

  All out. Yeah. She was really great teacher. She was a phenomenal teacher, but also that your dad, gym coach, that's like, I mean, I remember my gym coaches, like whatever sport I was playing, those are also like therapists. Those people, the coaches take on a lot. It's not, it's like emotional, social interaction. It's like so much you're learning in that as well. That's a different, that's a different kind of hard.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  You were, you did sports, right?

• 12:20Speaker 04

  Love every, all of them.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. Sports ball.

• 12:24Speaker 04

  Sports ball. I love playing volleyball. My daughter started playing volleyball this season and I was like, I'm gonna be that mom at the game. The game's coming up. The first game's coming up. I'm gonna be cool.

• 12:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you know what? They all say that.

• 12:37Speaker 04

  No, I'm gonna be so cool.

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  You're gonna be involved.

• 12:39Speaker 04

  Man, I'm gonna be so cool.

• 12:40Speaker 02

  You're too spirited.

• 12:41Speaker 04

  I am very spirited. I just am very excited. Yes.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  So you know what? You're gonna end up being, you're gonna end up being Coach Kelly.

• 12:49Speaker 04

  No, I'm not that Texas parent. I'm not like, everyone deserves a ribbon. Come on. I'm not like that.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  We've seen you on The Voice, coming for throats.

• 12:56Speaker 04

  Yeah. I'm like, here's the thing. I, I don't mind losing and I teach my kids, you gotta learn how to lose because that is, even in board games, they're like, they get so mad that I, and I'm like, I'm not gonna let you win. What kind of loser wants to win when they really didn't win? Like what? You know, I was like, come on. So they have to, you have to learn to lose. I'm okay with that, but I, but I wanna win. What kind of loser shows up and is like, I'm totally cool if I fail.

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  Yeah, it's boring.

• 13:19Speaker 04

  I would love third place. Like what?

• 13:21Speaker 01

  Stakesless lives.

• 13:22Speaker 04

  Who wakes up going, can't wait to have the bronze? Like, you know, no one.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  No one.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's a patient trophy.

• 13:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. But I'm not pushy actually. I'm just like, I do actually want them to have fun.

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  Yeah.

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  Cause I had so much fun, even in the bus rides, braiding each other's hair for the game. Like, you know, listening to music.

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  Music, music is really good. Like bus culture.

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  I love.

• 13:42Speaker 02

  I miss bus culture.

• 13:43Speaker 01

  Like the, I remember that was the first time I ever heard like Bohemian Rhapsody.

• 13:48Speaker 04

  The first time for a lot of things in my world.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. On the back of the bus.

• 13:52Speaker 04

  What's happening there? Yeah.

• 13:53Speaker 02

  What are you talking about?

• 13:55Speaker 04

  My bus ride? My kids will never ride a school bus. No.

• 13:59Speaker 01

  Just too much going on. Too many kids discovering things.

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  On a school bus.

• 14:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. You mean found out. Okay.

• 14:05Speaker 04

  Found out, found out Saul.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:07Speaker 02

  Wait.

• 14:08Speaker 04

  There's a lot of crazy things happening on a southern school bus.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  Texas, Texas.

• 14:12Speaker 04

  And I was the first one to get picked up and the last one to be dropped off. I lived down the boonies. So like.

• 14:16Speaker 02

  So then were you friends with the, with the drivers?

• 14:18Speaker 04

  Yeah. It was like, well, it was like, I was kind of scared of him. He was, he was a very big, like tall dude. Like he was a very, yeah, I was like, yeah.

• 14:29Speaker 02

  So then.

• 14:30Speaker 04

  I can't even remember his name, but I can see his face. Yeah.

• 14:33Speaker 01

  I had a bus driver named Deb and I feel like that's what bus drivers are named.

• 14:37Speaker 04

  That's a great name.

• 14:38Speaker 01

  So it's a very easy one to remember.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  Deb is a bus driver.

• 14:40Speaker 01

  Deb will never leave me because Deb is, Deb is a bus driver.

• 14:44Speaker 04

  Mine was, I think he was nice. He was just very quiet.

• 14:46Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 14:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:47Speaker 02

  But Deb is a bus driver name and that's a rule of culture.

• 14:49Speaker 01

  That's a culture number four.

• 14:51Speaker 02

  Deb is a bus driver name. Now, my only bus driver memory formative was I was, I was on the J V tennis team in a high school, my freshman year, and we went to Boulder, from Denver to Boulder. And then one of the kids, Alex Kessel, I think, um, got goaded into mooning the cars driving next to the bus.

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  Moon culture was crazy.

• 15:12Speaker 02

  Moon culture.

• 15:14Speaker 04

  Everybody moons.

• 15:15Speaker 02

  But do people moon now? I don't think people don't moon anymore.

• 15:18Speaker 01

  I'm gonna start doing it.

• 15:19Speaker 04

  It feels very Neanderthal now, but like, we all did it.

• 15:21Speaker 02

  We all did it.

• 15:22Speaker 01

  So now when you moon people, you've harassed them.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  You've harassed, well, no.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Just give me a break.

• 15:26Speaker 04

  It's a butt. It's funny.

• 15:28Speaker 02

  It's a butt. It's funny. So then he mooned, but then, but then the bus made a turn and guess what? Inertia and then he slammed his ass into the window, cracked it.

• 15:39Speaker 02

  It was one of the best moments of high school for me.

• 15:41Speaker 04

  Powerful ass moment.

• 15:43Speaker 02

  Powerful ass moment.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  Powerful ass moment.

• 15:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:47Speaker 02

  I, I think out of the three of us, I have the least powerful ass. I, my buzz, my ass could never.

• 15:53Speaker 01

  We have Greek heritage.

• 15:54Speaker 04

  Let me tell you what, and I also, boy, living in New York, the stairs in these places.

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  You get your ass back quick.

• 16:02Speaker 04

  I just don't even need to go to the gym. I just walk up and down, up and down.

• 16:08Speaker 01

  And you're good.

• 16:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  I, when I was moved, living in L A for those five years, I was like, where did it go? Like my butt went away.

• 16:15Speaker 02

  That's not true. You've always had a butt.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  He can tell I am a seno meals. Come to my fucking automobile. Let him eat it with his grill. He can tell me to chill.

• 16:26Speaker 04

  And that is culture rule number.

• 16:29Speaker 02

  Number, number zero.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  Zero, actually. It doesn't even make the list.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  We can't be quoting.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  No, we can't. But how are you feeling since everything ceasing?

• 16:40Speaker 04

  Great. I mean, you know, I think it was a really hard thing to do because I do love the people.

• 16:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:46Speaker 04

  But I will say it was very easy because it was for my kids mainly. And so it's been pretty rad, man. I've never lived here. You will understand too, like being so hardcore with this schedule, right? It's all, and that your life kind of, even if you're, they're like, oh, but you only work these hours. I'm like, yeah, that's when I'm refueling. And then for me, refueling was being a mom. Like there was no refuel. It was like working and then there was no like off time. So it really did like, we just had an amazing time to live here. That's what I was gonna say. To live in New York and actually get to experience it, not in a hurry. Like I was always in a hurry on a schedule. I just like take my kids to school. I walk, I walk, I get coffee, I walk home. It's beautiful.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  So great.

• 17:27Speaker 04

  New York.

• 17:28Speaker 02

  But you're gonna be in L A for The Voice.

• 17:29Speaker 04

  I'm going back and forth. So that'll be seven weeks of.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  Is it like?

• 17:34Speaker 04

  Bi-coastal fun.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  Bi-coastal fun.

• 17:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  But you know, it could be.

• 17:38Speaker 04

  No, it can be. You know why? Because I have a lot of crocheting to do. I've promised blankets to a lot of people and I crochet. So I get on the flight and they all see me and they're like, oh my God, you're, you're making another blanket. I've, I've done it so much to where I've run into people going, oh, that's beautiful.

• 17:54Speaker 04

  It is a lot of like, I try and take it as like mom time. Like it's like my downtime. Yes. Yeah.

• 17:59Speaker 01

  But it's gonna be like, is The Voice, is it actually you, cause I watch it sometimes and I'm like, thinking about the production schedule in my head and I'm like, they could backlog a lot of this.

• 18:10Speaker 04

  Well, it depends on the season. So some seasons we have done all in, I think the last one with John and, I don't know, I think we did like shoot most of it. I feel like that was the season we did that, but it depends on the season. So this season, they're back to the six weeks of lives. So, so that's live. That's like, yep. Which I love because you have to be done by a certain time. Everybody's like, oh, live makes me nervous. I'm like, what? That means you know exactly what your schedule will be.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  Live rocks.

• 18:37Speaker 04

  Cause they can't go longer.

• 18:39Speaker 02

  They can go longer. We're trying to make the culture awards live, but he's, he, he, it's gonna take some convincing for him.

• 18:45Speaker 04

  Why? Live is a different energy.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  Live is a different energy and also I like the, I like the opportunity to get a lot of stuff and then be able to cut it into something that's really good.

• 18:55Speaker 04

  But why can't you do both? You can cut, make some stuff to fit it in and then you can do live around that.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  You know what? That's actually true.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  That's true. And I just think because the, the culture words are such a thing where everyone sees like the red carpet picks online and then they, they wait two weeks until they see the actual show. It's like, we can really make it a moment if it's like live and then the next day or something. I mean, it'll be a crazy.

• 19:16Speaker 04

  But you could always film some stuff to make it cool. And then you have a backup, you know, if things go wrong, cause they do. I've hosted live and then that.

• 19:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:24Speaker 04

  Stall? Oh, great. Cool.

• 19:27Speaker 02

  I mean, yeah, I mean, the earpiece thing is something. Are you, you're okay with that?

• 19:31Speaker 04

  I hate it.

• 19:32Speaker 02

  Of course you do.

• 19:33Speaker 04

  But you have to have it in certain circumstances. I wouldn't let them do the, that on, they try, they, they talked to me about it in the beginning with the talk show. And I was like, unless you want me going.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  Ah, no. Like, like open mouth, like processing.

• 19:46Speaker 04

  I am way too, that's me for sure. And sleeping, by the way.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  It's either that or like smiling too big to try to cover it. Like, like you're listening.

• 19:57Speaker 04

  Man, it is. Yeah. And I can't focus. I'm too A D H D for that. Yeah, yeah. I can't do that.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  Do you feel like suddenly there is, because I also, I feel like now all of a sudden everyone is talking about A D H D. I almost think our entire like generation and community is talking about.

• 20:15Speaker 04

  A lot of our environment, what we eat, what we, I think a lot of it's been affected, you know, with that too. But yes, I am. Often like my, my nanny will be like, oh man, your son. And I'm like, she'll say something. I'm like, I did that yesterday. Like, I'm like, and she's like, oh, no, no, I, I know where he gets it from. Completely aware.

• 20:32Speaker 02

  I think everyone has it.

• 20:34Speaker 04

  It's like, I don't think everyone, cause my, my daughter doesn't, but like my, but my son and I are very.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:40Speaker 04

  Just very hyper focused on, you know, and then, and then can be super aloof sometime. Yeah. Squirrel.

• 20:45Speaker 02

  Squirrel.

• 20:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. No, it's, yeah. But I do think it's. I don't know. I don't know. I don't, because it is like, even like with thyroid, like there was, everybody's got like hypothyroidism or hyperthyroidism. It's ever been sorry. I feel like there's like these hot topics that everybody, it's like now I think or whatever. And it's like, well, it might be like environmental and what we're eating and

• 21:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, and also the screens and everything. I do feel like

• 21:08Speaker 04

  Not enough sleep. Our society goes, goes, goes.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, it was, it got to a point for me where I was just like, why do I always need to be doing or consuming something? That's where, that's where it showed up for me is I was like, why do I always need to be like, I always need like a beverage with me?

• 21:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  Or just something to constantly occupy my mind. There is no sitting and just laying. There is

• 21:32Speaker 02

  Literally, and you're gonna feel very vindicated. The, one of the telltale signs, and everyone's gonna understand this.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  So everyone listen.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  Everyone listen. Me, I've had a years long obsession with, watch it on 1.5 speed. Watch it on two times. Listen to it on two times.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  Oh, the like, the like speeding up the podcast.

• 21:48Speaker 02

  The podcast or the video.

• 21:50Speaker 01

  Or the video that you're watching at 1.5 or 2.0.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Cause I'm like, I'm a busy guy. I gotta, I gotta eat my meal and I gotta go.

• 21:56Speaker 04

  I'm actually so upset that no one told me about this and I was supposed to be a freaking talk show for seven years and no one could have on that little secret. Do you know much time it takes?

• 22:08Speaker 01

  You know the documentary you have to watch? Could do it half the time.

• 22:11Speaker 04

  Are you shitting me?

• 22:13Speaker 01

  No, we're not shitting you. We're actually the only people who have been real with you in years.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  We are the only people you can trust.

• 22:22Speaker 02

  It would have only exacerbated your ADHD. Cause that's what it does.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  She's like, but I could have saved time.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  Is this like when people watch football and it's like, there's three games going on? I can't, my sister does that shit. And I'm like, what is happening?

• 22:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, they love it. They love it. Yesterday, Tony mocked at, at Omari, just our, our resident straight guy. We love him. Three games on at the same time yesterday.

• 22:43Speaker 04

  No, that's my sister. And I was like, you have to do that on your iPad. This TV will have one on.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just one.

• 22:50Speaker 04

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• 27:27Speaker 01

  What's your show of the moment? What's your, what's your current, what are you watching and doing?

• 27:31Speaker 04

  Okay, so it's NFL season. So it's really just football. Yeah, as well. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm in two leagues, fantasy football leagues as well.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  This is a big culture.

• 27:42Speaker 04

  I'm a very, I'm very, and I had a very sad week last week.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  You did? What, what happened to you?

• 27:48Speaker 04

  Well, my team shit the bed and

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Who's your team? Do you want to say?

• 27:52Speaker 04

  I, well, I have two different teams. I have players on it. But honestly, it was kind of, okay, look, I'm gonna, I'm gonna own this. And I don't, whatever, controversial or not. I went to the, I always go to the opening game where the Giants and the Cowboys, like the Cowboys come and they play. I'm usually at that game.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:06Speaker 04

  The Giants and the Cowboys, when they play. And I always get a suite. That's where I'm like, oh no, we're spending the money. We're doing it. I'm excited.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  We're here.

• 28:13Speaker 04

  I have never, I've done that for several years now. I have never heard a crowd so loud, the, our quarterback could not even, the, the players could not hear the calls. They couldn't, they could, the crowd was so loud, which is a clever strategy. I'm not mad at it.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. You think it was strategy?

• 28:32Speaker 04

  I for sure think they were doing it on, but yes. And they couldn't hear, like, it was the worst game for Cowboys fans. But it, but I mean, kudos to the Giants fan, because that was pretty clever.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  They're playing D.

• 28:45Speaker 04

  So loud. I have literally been to this stadium several times and I've, we were all like, you could feel it in your body. They couldn't hear.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  They couldn't.

• 28:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was crazy. But that was, but it was kind of fun. Look, I don't, I'm not mad at competitive. So

• 29:00Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 29:00Speaker 04

  And I'm not mad at fans being passionate.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  You play the terrain. That's why I always say like Survivor's coming back this week. And I'm like, I don't like all the twists that they do and stuff like that. But I'm like, you have to play the terrain.

• 29:11Speaker 04

  You're a Survivor kid.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  Oh, I love Survivor.

• 29:13Speaker 04

  My sister loves that too.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  I think you would like it. You would like it.

• 29:16Speaker 04

  I love naked and afraid.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Naked and afraid.

• 29:20Speaker 04

  I haven't seen that in forever, but I just think it's wild at what people will choose as their one thing.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  Oh, like their one, like, like

• 29:26Speaker 04

  Just their one tool or something?

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Oh, because they get to bring like

• 29:29Speaker 04

  I haven't seen it a ton, but I've seen it enough to know where they get like, I think one thing. And I'm like, and that is what you chose. Cool. Okay, okay.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  A wrench.

• 29:37Speaker 04

  Yeah. Not a life straw, like to get some fresh water. Not a, I'm just like, not like fire or something sharp to make, cut wood. Like I'm just, these people, I'm just like, you would die if these cameras wasn't here.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  You would be

• 29:51Speaker 04

  You'd be dead.

• 29:52Speaker 01

  If you were actually naked, we'd be afraid for you.

• 29:54Speaker 04

  Make it, yeah.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  I, I feel like back on Survivor, I don't know if they still do this, but you were allowed to also bring one luxury item.

• 30:01Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  And some girl I knew

• 30:03Speaker 02

  Waiting for you back at

• 30:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, you're allowed to have it on, on, at camp. Like, you can have it with you. Like I remember like years and years and years ago, like, um, like they would announce like, and this is what they brought as their luxury item. And it like said something about them. Now they don't really do it anymore, but I knew one girl who was gonna apply for the show and she goes, I have a total hack for what I would bring. And I was like, what? She goes, a water purifier. And I was like, huh? She goes, you just go to the ocean, put the water in the water purifier and then you can drink it. I was like, oh, you're perfect for reality TV.

• 30:38Speaker 04

  What?

• 30:39Speaker 01

  You need to go on the show.

• 30:40Speaker 02

  She thinks it's like a desaline, desalinator.

• 30:42Speaker 04

  I don't think you can do that with ocean water.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  You may not.

• 30:44Speaker 02

  You literally can't.

• 30:45Speaker 04

  I know.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  It will not. But I do think she's perfect for reality television.

• 30:49Speaker 04

  Who got to break, like burst that bubble? Like, and that would have been amazing.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  I don't think they made it on the show. Her name was Megan. I don't think she got on. Um,

• 30:59Speaker 04

  That would have been great.

• 30:59Speaker 01

  But she is an all-star that they don't know. They haven't casted.

• 31:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 31:02Speaker 04

  Oh, man.

• 31:03Speaker 01

  Like just telling the tribe, like while everyone's setting up. And guys, don't worry, I'm getting buckets of water from the ocean. I brought a water purifier.

• 31:12Speaker 04

  Can you imagine? Oh.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  I, I lived it in terms of having the conversation with her.

• 31:16Speaker 04

  That would be a chicken of the sea moment.

• 31:18Speaker 02

  It's chicken of the sea.

• 31:19Speaker 04

  That would have been a chicken of the sea moment.

• 31:21Speaker 01

  That's your Texas sister, Jessica Simpson, making her mark on the culture.

• 31:24Speaker 04

  That made me so happy. I laughed so hard. That gave me so much joy. Bring the joy.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  Meant to be on reality TV.

• 31:32Speaker 02

  Oh, Jessica Simpson.

• 31:33Speaker 04

  Oh, hilarious.

• 31:34Speaker 02

  The Traders last night, like the.

• 31:35Speaker 04

  My sister's obsessed with that one.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  See, don't you watch The Traders?

• 31:39Speaker 04

  I, I, I, here's the thing, I don't watch a lot, and especially since not having this show.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  You don't have to.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  You don't have to say you watch.

• 31:46Speaker 04

  No, it's not even they say, I would genuinely try and watch everything possible. And if it wasn't possible, my manager, I'll be like, we watch this, because I can't possibly watch.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  Here's what happened on St. Dennis Medical.

• 31:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, you've got it.

• 32:00Speaker 04

  So I, no, I, I did a lot. So now I'm just kind of like, I'm, I'm reading. I didn't have time to read before. So I'm reading.

• 32:07Speaker 02

  What you reading?

• 32:09Speaker 04

  A Brief History of Humankind. I didn't know, okay, I watched this doc and it was on AI and it was really interesting. Scary and cool.

• 32:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:16Speaker 04

  And this guy was on there and I love how he talked and they said he had written a book or whatever. And turns out it's like a huge book that everybody's read and I didn't know about it. But it's a brief history of humankind. It's interesting so far. I'm not even, I have to read some of it. And walk away.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's how I am.

• 32:33Speaker 04

  And then, because in, in order for me to like retain, because it's a lot, but it's so good.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's interesting.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Reading is.

• 32:40Speaker 01

  Fundamental.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  Well, fundamental, but it, it is literally, okay.

• 32:44Speaker 04

  Reading Rainbow.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  Oh my god, the next Kellyokey.

• 32:49Speaker 02

  Kellyokey's done. By the way, I mean, I'm, you're, you're, I think you're gonna get sick of this, but as your last Kellyokey, like you, was that intentional where you're like, I'm gonna be hearing about this for the rest of my life?

• 32:59Speaker 01

  Ended at your.

• 33:00Speaker 04

  Everybody.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  Doing that.

• 33:01Speaker 04

  Asking for it and as soon as they started asking, I was like, you know what? I was like, and I love, we are huge K-pop diva in our household. Like we love, like, and, and even when my kids leave the room, I still watch it.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  Our friend Joe K. Booster is in it.

• 33:15Speaker 02

  He's a Saja boy, he's a Saja boy.

• 33:16Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  He's one of the boys.

• 33:18Speaker 04

  I love it. I eat it up. I love it. And, um, so I was excited to do it. And you know, when you're singing along to something?

• 33:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:27Speaker 04

  And then you're singing it. It's very different. And, um, we, little known fact, we actually, I knew I was gonna have it be the last Kellyokey, because I was like, I don't think you can kind of go, but it's like an Oscar winner. It's like a huge song, right? And I was like, let's just make it the last. So I knew whenever I'd covered the other one, I covered another one from, um, the soundtrack too. But they were like, oh, she didn't do Gold. And I'm like, just wait.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:50Speaker 04

  But we, I came in and I was sick and I, we had been going back and forth and I'd done it. And I tried to do Gold and Sick. I was like, I can do it. I can pull it out. No. No, I couldn't.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Just because there's so much like change of the.

• 34:02Speaker 04

  There is so much register change. My lows were incredible, because I was sick. But I, my, I was like, it just was like, that song.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  You don't realize it goes so low.

• 34:11Speaker 04

  It goes so low, but in the high parts, it's like, it's not that it's too high for me. It's high and in your chest voice and in certain vowels, it's like, trying to not sound like a dying cat.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 34:24Speaker 04

  At that decibel with your chest voice. I had to, my poor children.

• 34:29Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 34:30Speaker 04

  I sang that song in the shower for at least a couple of weeks, like trying to find where to place it. Because I was trying to place it to where it was like, I could do it.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:41Speaker 04

  Because I'm not AI. And it's a really weird song to sing when you're a human.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  Odd song.

• 34:45Speaker 04

  And just for placement, but it was like a really fun challenge and I loved that it was, I mean, I never want to do it again, but it was a fun challenge. I think at this point in my career, you know, we sing so many songs and they're not generally challenges, they're just fun and it's like working it out. It's like fun.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 35:02Speaker 04

  But I had, nothing had been like that challenging.

• 35:05Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 35:05Speaker 04

  And so that was a, that was a tricky one.

• 35:07Speaker 02

  That's a huge statement for you to say nothing had been that challenging, because you kind of ran the damn gamut.

• 35:14Speaker 04

  But I think most of the song, like, I think, I'm just such a fan of music and like, you know, people be like, oh, she covered this, you know, Whitney one, or this Zaleen one, or this, you know, whatever. We, I think we even did Metallica at one point. Like, we did, we covered a random, you know, country. But I genuinely had been listening to all those artists and songs since I was a kid. So it was kind of innate in me, a lot of those. So doing this one though was like, it felt like, it honestly felt like it was like humans competing against AI.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is, this song was the final test.

• 35:47Speaker 04

  And I'll tell you what, bitches, I was like, I was, I was, I was like, you can do this.

• 35:51Speaker 01

  You don't have us yet.

• 35:53Speaker 04

  Because I couldn't. And my, and my son is so honest. And he was like, he would walk by, I would be in my infrared sauna, because it's a nice place that opens you up. And I was like, because it's all the heat. And I was like, you know, trying to find that placement. He was like, he was like, he would come by and this would be his way of being like, he'd be, he'd be like, wow, he was like, that's a really high song.

• 36:14Speaker 01

  Well, that one's hard to sing, huh?

• 36:16Speaker 04

  I was like, Remington. I'm trying to figure it out.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  Your son dresses so fly.

• 36:22Speaker 04

  He, he would love that you said, he wears suits to school. Like, he wears, like, he loves, he's not me at all. My daughter is me.

• 36:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:31Speaker 04

  Like, she likes a little bit, like, but she's very low key.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:35Speaker 04

  He is just like, how can I look the coolest in the room?

• 36:38Speaker 01

  He looked fresh. Like, I, we saw you in Vegas last November and like, he was dressed so fly.

• 36:46Speaker 04

  He loves, yeah, he loves to, and he loves to look like, he wants to be Steven Spielberg. He wants to be a film director. And that's like his dream.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:55Speaker 04

  Right now. And life, and so he loves, he even sees all the like, older directors, how they used to dress or whatever. Yeah, he really gets into it. Yeah.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  He's, because he already has the thing of directors, which is like, he, oh, he's just a cool guy. Because I will never forget him saying, is it the Brooklyn Bridge and screaming, this is freedom.

• 37:15Speaker 04

  Oh, he was like New York, yeah. He, yeah, I was like, yeah, it was, we were coming across in New York. And I was like, what? You like New York so much? He was like, because it's freedom. And I was like, what does that mean?

• 37:25Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 37:26Speaker 04

  Were we in prison before? Like, what does that mean?

• 37:29Speaker 01

  I think there's, we, I've actually been talking a lot about this lately, like, just because I think, you know, it's really nice weather right now and you see people kind of.

• 37:38Speaker 04

  We just went to the zoo and had the most amazing day.

• 37:40Speaker 01

  It's so beautiful out. And so people are dressing in ways where the, it's like when it first becomes summer, you start to see everyone's legs and like people are wearing their fun summer stuff. Right now, I think people are endeavoring into their fall clothes.

• 37:51Speaker 04

  And the layers.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  And what I love about like, New York style is everyone is so different. So maybe he was reacting to that. Like, just the.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  Style.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, like truly though. Like the individualism. It's like, that is freedom.

• 38:06Speaker 04

  And I literally said that whenever, before I, we moved here and I was, we were in LA, there was obviously a lot going on in my world. And I was like, I need a fresh start. And I was like, and we, I happen to be having a meeting with my label here at the time. And this was years ago. And I remember looking at Trisha, my manager, and I was like, we were in a restaurant, I think my sister was there too. And I was looking around and literally I was like, everyone can be anyone here.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:33Speaker 04

  I was like, there were so many different, it was such a variety of human beings, like in whatever culture they were from, whatever they were into, like it was, everybody looked so different, but everybody kind of fit. And I was like, should we move here?

• 38:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:45Speaker 04

  I was like, this is kind of awesome. You can just, and no one cares. Like, if you're famous here, no one cares. Everyone is the lead character in their movie and I'm here for it. Yeah.

• 38:56Speaker 01

  You're so right about that.

• 38:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  It's like everyone, everyone is playing their own soundtrack.

• 39:00Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  You know, it's, and that, that could be, because I remember when I first came here at 18, I remember you felt the same. It can feel pretty lonely at first, because everyone knows exactly where they're going. And it's like, whoa, like, I don't know the, I don't, I can't walk that fast yet, because I don't know where I'm going yet. You know, it's like, everyone's so sure.

• 39:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think mine, well, that's what I love about right now for me. So I used to have to be so sure and on time and everywhere. Now it's like, as soon as I get my kids to school on time. We're figuring that out, because dropping both of them off is crazy. But anyway, but there, um, it's, you don't have to be in a hurry. So to be able to live here and not be in a hurry.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:41Speaker 04

  And just have whatever soundtrack you want to go, or just listening, just to the sound. It's like very, it's very wonderful.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  Are you dating?

• 39:49Speaker 04

  No, my, my, my kids right now, I think there, there's a lot behind that, but like, I think they, yeah, they're, that would, that would rock their boat a little bit. And honestly, this is not a bullshit answer. I love my life right now. Like it just got like to where I am not exhausted at every point of it.

• 40:09Speaker 01

  You don't have anchors.

• 40:10Speaker 04

  Well, and I feel like if you're gonna be in a relationship, you have to be willing to give some of your time up. And I am unwilling.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  Good.

• 40:19Speaker 02

  That's a good thing. And also, this is probably the first time, and I'm sure you understand this, I'm just saying this because I understand this. It's like, the first time, it's the three of you without this big thing looming over it, having its own presence.

• 40:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's just, it's been really good. And it's, and we're having fun and we're, you know, we're cooking, we're playing games. I'm, I'm there at pickup or I'm there dropping off. I'm there, like, it's just, it's real different. But it's a, it's a beautiful city, I will say, to, to raise kiddos in too, because I wasn't really exposed to like different cultures. I wasn't really exposed to anything like that. Like, I love where I grew up. Obviously, I turned out all right. But I just meant, it's a cool thing for them to have just every color of the rainbow, every, you know, color of personality, everything. You know what I'm saying? It's awesome.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Do they travel with you internationally too? Because you were just saying you were in Shanghai.

• 41:09Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, they do. And we loved it. Oh, my God, let's talk about it.

• 41:12Speaker 02

  Let's talk about Shanghai.

• 41:13Speaker 04

  First of all, okay, we went to several different parts of Asia. I love Asia. But we went to Shanghai and I was telling y'all, because I came in with my cute skirt.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  The, no.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  You can see this skirt if you watch on YouTube, but if you're just listening, this is a good skirt.

• 41:28Speaker 04

  I was thinking about making pants because it is a cute pant look too. But anyway, I, because I love altering things that I find. But I found it in this cute thrift store in Shanghai in the middle of this just random store. It was like the size of a closet. It had such great stuff. Anyway, I love it. I love Shanghai. I'm not a person that's like super into fashion. I like what I like, but like, I'm not, it's not like a thing I like. I don't think that's a secret.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  You have your own style, but you don't, you're not into fashion fashion.

• 41:54Speaker 04

  Um, yeah, I'm just like a hardcore, like, I'm in it, like, I respect it and I love, I'm like, oh, I love the creative, you know, behind it. But I'm not generally, but I tell you what, I got to Shanghai and I saw all these chic Chinese grandmas.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 42:07Speaker 04

  And I was like, do I want to be a chic Chinese grandma?

• 42:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 42:10Speaker 04

  They were so cool and everything was so relaxed and layered and effortless and easy. And it, but it was so cool. They look so good.

• 42:20Speaker 02

  So you are responding to something in that fashion sense. Okay, all you have to do is Google Chinatown Pretty. It's this coffee table book. I have it at home. You've seen it. It's like, just old women and men from Chinatowns across the world. Just looking fly as fuck. And it's like, I think this was, and like, it's, it's very much like a style that I was trying to adopt. I don't think I've totally nailed it, but it's, I think it's like you and I have this connection.

• 42:46Speaker 04

  Okay, wait, have you seen the thing? Somebody showed me the, because I'm not on social media and I, but my friends will show me things every now and then. And there is this cute couple, are they from Thailand? They're, it's this older couple. They own a laundromat. And people leave their stuff.

• 43:00Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 43:01Speaker 04

  I think they were, I can't remember where they're from. Anyway.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  But they, but they, but they take the stuff.

• 43:05Speaker 04

  They take it and they, and they look so cool. Like, they're the coolest older couple. And I'm like, this is couple goals. If I could find someone like this, I would carve out time.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:14Speaker 04

  I would, I'm like, if I could find somebody that would hang like this till I'm old, this is time I would carve out.

• 43:19Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 43:20Speaker 04

  But they're, yeah, they're so cool. They take all the stuff that people leave and they make outfits and they post or whatever and they.

• 43:26Speaker 01

  I love secondhand.

• 43:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:28Speaker 04

  I always hated too, like when they are like, oh, you wore that here, so you can't wear it again. I'm like, watch me.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  Also, people, people respect, there's, there's no, there's no like, oh, they wore that again. And if you were the kind of person who's like, you're repeating an outfit, I don't think so.

• 43:43Speaker 02

  Get real.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  Like, give me a break.

• 43:44Speaker 04

  It's like, what? It's such a waste. And I was, it was comfortable the first time.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  Also, sometimes things like look good in, in many different situations and scenarios. It's like.

• 43:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:56Speaker 02

  You're gonna be, you're gonna be wearing that skirt again, I'm sure, very soon.

• 43:59Speaker 04

  I'm gonna wear it everywhere.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  Everywhere. Wait, what else did you, where else did you go in Asia?

• 44:03Speaker 04

  We went, oh, we went to Beijing. We did the Great Wall. And it was so funny because my mom has a cane. She had to have surgery on both her knees at some point. So she, they're not the same, right? And so, we get to the Great Wall and the steps.

• 44:18Speaker 02

  They're crazy.

• 44:18Speaker 04

  Are crazy. Like, some of them are two feet tall, I feel like. And then one's like, you know, yeah, tiny. It's just, it's crazy, it's crazy different, right? But we got, we made it all the way to the wall. And then my mom was like, oh, and she looked at it and she was like, and I go, oh, no, no. We did not come all the way to Beijing and get to the Great Wall for you to just look at them. I'm like, we're gonna get up there. And so, all these people were watching me. My mom was on my shoulders. And I was literally underneath of her, just pushing her up the stairs. Because like, you have to get on the wall. We did not come all the way here. So we got her up there. But I think they were like crazy Americans, like, because I was, it was hilarious.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  No, they probably were like, we saw Kelly Clarkson lift her mother over her head.

• 45:01Speaker 04

  Well, they were actually very help, the people were very helpful and sweet. They were actually very sweet. That's something I love too about Asian culture eyewitness is like, they're, well, sweet, but also with the moms or grandmas or whatever. Everybody is like, everybody is so polite and everybody is so helpful and everybody, it's like that you almost, it's like such a level of respect for your elders. Like, it's, I loved that.

• 45:23Speaker 02

  Did you guys slide down?

• 45:26Speaker 04

  We wanted to do that. They had that closed for some reason. We were gonna do that and it was closed. Because I wanted to do, I saw it online. That's the thing I wanted.

• 45:34Speaker 02

  There's like slides and you get into a little thing and then you slide all the way.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  No, I need to go.

• 45:37Speaker 02

  I know, it's very fun.

• 45:38Speaker 01

  I love to slide.

• 45:39Speaker 04

  I love that I feel like Lily Tomlin in that big chair.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  We, see.

• 45:43Speaker 04

  Do you like, these are my.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  The socks. Oh.

• 45:48Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 45:49Speaker 04

  You're welcome.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  It's a crafty community.

• 45:51Speaker 04

  I know. My fans are, yeah.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  They are.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  Okay, so, speaking of, um, speaking of your fans, I think that they're wanting to know something. And you're dropping hints and they're big hints. And I have to ask you right directly to your face.

• 46:07Speaker 04

  Ask me.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  And it would be cool if this was.

• 46:09Speaker 04

  Say what I can say.

• 46:11Speaker 01

  Is it a country album coming?

• 46:13Speaker 04

  Oh, you know what? I wouldn't expect, um.

• 46:19Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  Like defined genre?

• 46:21Speaker 04

  I wouldn't expect defined genre. Even like the single that I've released like so far, there's only been only two. Um, Where Have You Been was very.

• 46:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:29Speaker 04

  Different. It was kind of, you know, classic and could go in many different genres, I feel like. And then I'd Be Lion was definitely down the road, like pop rock, like we kind of did that. Um, the, the next one we've been working on right now is completely different than any single I've ever put out. And honestly, it was kind of a happy accident.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  Uh huh. Was it based on who you were working with or?

• 46:53Speaker 04

  Well, no, it's based on how I had to record something because of the situation I was in and I had to be quiet. And then it was like.

• 47:02Speaker 01

  Maybe there's something here.

• 47:04Speaker 04

  It was kind of cool, like how it happened. So, so the next one's very interesting. And then the next one, they all don't sound like each other. And there's definitely different genres already have been written and working on, but like, that's the thing that I loved about starting my label. And I was like, I don't care if it's successful or not. I just want to write what I want to write when I write it. And I want to release it when I want to release it. People dig it, cool. People don't, it's not their vibe, cool. Like, it's like, but I, I definitely am not gonna do the thing where you have to release the same vibe every time. So that, so it's very different.

• 47:38Speaker 01

  It was the stagecoach of it all. And I do feel like you've given a little twang on I'd Be Lion. And so I was like, I was wondering if we were headed in a specific direction, but also this feels more accurate to who you've always been.

• 47:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I, I've played country events several times. I, I haven't been able to say yes to Stagecoach or any festivals, really, just because of time, because of the talk show. So I am like, I literally like, once I finished, wrapped up the show, I told my agents, I was like, okay, all these things I've been having to say no to, I would really love to jump into. Because I love doing, you know, I played the Houston radio too. And like, you know, there's, there's several plays that like a lot of country artists more or less play generally, but. But, um, I've, I mean, I've done that pretty regularly on and off for years, but, um, no, they asked me, it was like, you want to open for Garth? Like at this, at Stagecoach? And I was like.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  That has to be sick for you.

• 48:25Speaker 04

  Yes, I do. Yeah. No, are you shitting me?

• 48:28Speaker 01

  No, your songs and stories with Garth was so special.

• 48:31Speaker 04

  I love him. I, I, and I've sung with him before, we've been in the studio before. I love, I'm obsessed even more with his wife. Like, I love Trisha so much. Oh, my God, her voice.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  The Georgia Rain.

• 48:42Speaker 04

  God, she's so amazing.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  This is me you're talking to? Do you know that song?

• 48:47Speaker 04

  Do I know that song?

• 48:48Speaker 01

  I shouldn't have done that.

• 48:49Speaker 02

  You put me on to that one here. It's so good.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  I'm telling you.

• 48:52Speaker 04

  She's crazy.

• 48:54Speaker 01

  That song.

• 48:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:55Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 48:55Speaker 01

  It's so crazy.

• 48:57Speaker 04

  She's really, she's just a, she's just a crazy talented vocalist. And I love the same people she loves too, like Linda Ronstadt. That's one of her favorite singers. That's one of mine as well. So, but like Linda, she floated during two different genres.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 49:11Speaker 04

  And even languages, like, you know, so, but yeah. And then there's another, there's like a few projects I'm working on right now. Because there's another one that fans have been asking for, for years.

• 49:21Speaker 02

  What could that be?

• 49:22Speaker 04

  And then there's another one that people, um, may or may not be expecting, because we're coming up on 25 years.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes. Okay.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  I know what it is because you actually told me what it was. And I'm not, I'm not gonna guess because I know.

• 49:35Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 49:36Speaker 02

  But he's not gonna reveal it either.

• 49:37Speaker 04

  I think a lot of fans have guessed, and I kind of mentioned a little bit when I was on stage.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  Because you looked me in my eyes and said, don't say anything. And I told you, you could trust me.

• 49:46Speaker 04

  And then I probably walked directly out on stage right after that.

• 49:49Speaker 01

  Said to everyone. Yeah.

• 49:51Speaker 04

  No, I haven't like announced it, but no, there's something that people have been asking for for a while. And look, I, it just, I was waiting for the right. It hadn't been the right time. And I love where I'm at vocally right now. I love where, like, how we sound like right now as a band.

• 50:05Speaker 02

  You beat the robots. You sang Golden and you beat AI.

• 50:08Speaker 04

  Beat.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  The robot.

• 50:10Speaker 04

  AI.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  It's time.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  It's time.

• 50:13Speaker 04

  I'm telling you, that's a hard one.

• 50:15Speaker 01

  It's a tall order.

• 50:16Speaker 04

  It is a tall order.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  Um, but speaking of, you know, we're talking about Stagecoach and you mentioned Linda. And I feel like one thing that I'll always remember is you always gave a vinyl at the end of your, when, when people came to your show.

• 50:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, I picked vinyl.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  And I've gotten a few from you because we've been lucky enough to be on the show. And one of them that you gave me was Jolene by Dolly Parton.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 50:38Speaker 01

  And I was just thinking about that the other day because obviously Dolly's been so top of mind. I'm actually going to Dollywood in a few weeks for the first time.

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• 50:45Speaker 01

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• 54:49Speaker 04

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• 54:51Speaker 01

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• 54:59Speaker 04

  This particular roller coaster, my sister and I rode together, and I thought, well, at least I'm gonna die with her.

• 55:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's another thing that Dolly was good at.

• 55:11Speaker 04

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  No, it's like the wooden roller coaster, the Texas giant, like in Six Flags of Texas, it's wooden. I used to wait three and a half to four hours for that ride, and it's wooden. And you know how you feel, and it feels like it shakes in a different way? Mm-hmm.

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  You're gonna make it.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's been times when I'm like, I'm like, oh, wow, this is, this is truly- They just actually, there was a roller coaster in Six Flags Magic Mountain. It was called X2, and they're actually taking it down. Because someone just got, like, serious, I think something really happened, like, with their brain. And then they were like, they released findings that were like, yeah, this roller coaster actually may not be safe. So it's like, every time you go to a, to like a theme park and you're like, oh, please, you're so much safer in this than you are in your own car. It's like, not this one.

• 56:06Speaker 04

  Oh my-

• 56:06Speaker 01

  And I've done that one, and it was the only time, the one and only time I felt like I might die on this.

• 56:12Speaker 02

  Did you and I do King de Ca together?

• 56:14Speaker 01

  We did do-

• 56:15Speaker 04

  What is it called?

• 56:15Speaker 02

  King de Ca. They took that down too. It's a big phallus to the sky.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  It was like this, and it was basically, you go zero to 100, I think, 40 in two seconds, and then you go up 90 degrees.

• 56:27Speaker 02

  Totally vertical, and then it's a big, big old penis in the sky, and then it goes all the way down.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  450 feet.

• 56:33Speaker 04

  I don't know about that.

• 56:35Speaker 02

  And they, because they took that down too.

• 56:37Speaker 04

  I generally do ride everything, at least once.

• 56:40Speaker 02

  You got kids now, you can't do that.

• 56:42Speaker 04

  No, I did it this time, and it was funny, I was with my brother-in-law on this one. I don't know what the ride, I don't remember where we were. Were we at Universal? I can't remember, we usually, we generally do Universal and Disney, like, a same trip.

• 56:52Speaker 01

  You gotta, that's what we do.

• 56:53Speaker 04

  And, oh my gosh, there was, I can't remember the name of it. One was, one was yellow, the Veloceta is at the-

• 57:00Speaker 01

  Stardust Racers.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  Stardust Racers. Mama, we got the mug.

• 57:06Speaker 04

  You deserve that fucking mug, because I'll tell you what. That ride, that was hilarious. First of all, I'm so glad I rode with my brother-in-law because he is like 6'4" and like a manly dude.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  The G-forces don't play on bodies that big, though.

• 57:21Speaker 04

  Manly dude, and he was like, he was like, I did this to myself. He was thinking of just here, like, things that I've never heard him say, and I laughed the whole time. I was so glad I rode with him, because if I wouldn't have ridden with him, I think I'd have peed my pants.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  So, Kelly, we actually have you to thank for this. We went down there and covered Epic Universe for your show.

• 57:40Speaker 04

  You rode it.

• 57:40Speaker 01

  And then they put us on the Stardust Racers.

• 57:43Speaker 02

  With a GoPro.

• 57:44Speaker 04

  Were you in front?

• 57:45Speaker 02

  We were in the very front, and then, guess what? They, for coverage, they had us do it twice.

• 57:51Speaker 04

  Hey, guess what? We did it twice too, pretty sure.

• 57:53Speaker 01

  Oh. We had just come from doing the hot ones.

• 57:56Speaker 04

  No, we tried to do it twice, and then it broke down. That's, we didn't do it twice, it broke down.

• 58:00Speaker 02

  But Kelly, this is, this is how you understand-

• 58:01Speaker 04

  Which you don't like to hear.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  No.

• 58:02Speaker 02

  The queue experience, the line experience, waiting in line between rides is actually a hugely important part of it.

• 58:07Speaker 01

  Your body needs to reset.

• 58:09Speaker 02

  Your body needs to reset.

• 58:09Speaker 04

  Okay, let me tell you about another friend of mine. Cosmic Rewind.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  Oh, we love her.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  That's our dream.

• 58:15Speaker 02

  That's our, that's our best coaster.

• 58:16Speaker 04

  That's my favorite ride in all of the lands, and I ride it like 10 times in a row.

• 58:21Speaker 02

  Have you gotten every song?

• 58:22Speaker 04

  I look at those guides and I go, what is, when do we get to rude? You know what I'm saying? How many times you've cut it, like, when do we?

• 58:28Speaker 01

  At what point am I like a freak?

• 58:31Speaker 04

  Do we get to like, she's a piece of shit for going this many times?

• 58:33Speaker 02

  No.

• 58:34Speaker 04

  But it's my one, I would go to Disney World just for that ride, to ride all day long.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  You go do that, you eat at the Hibachi Japan, you have an amazing night.

• 58:42Speaker 02

  Jamie Berry, our guide at Universal, who we love.

• 58:45Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 58:45Speaker 02

  We love you, Jamie.

• 58:45Speaker 01

  We love you, girl.

• 58:46Speaker 02

  She says it's, I might get her in trouble for saying this, but she's like, well, Cosmic Rewind's the best coaster in the world.

• 58:53Speaker 04

  It is the best coaster in the world, but I will tell you, Shanghai, let's come back.

• 58:57Speaker 02

  Wait, yes.

• 58:57Speaker 04

  Have you been to Disney World Shanghai?

• 58:59Speaker 02

  I have, it's, I went to the beginning with Tron, but now Tron's in Orlando, what were we gonna say?

• 59:04Speaker 04

  Have you ridden Pirates of the Caribbean in Shanghai?

• 59:06Speaker 02

  Yes, I have, I have.

• 59:08Speaker 01

  This is like legendary one.

• 59:09Speaker 02

  Not the new one, because I went when it opened in 2015 or something.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  No, this is crazy.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  There's a new one?

• 59:13Speaker 04

  Oh my god. This, this ride, I, we were like, are, is this the future of rides?

• 59:20Speaker 01

  What happens, what you see?

• 59:21Speaker 02

  What happens, what happens?

• 59:22Speaker 04

  Literally, all you hear is every human go, huh. Because it's the most incredible ride. First of all, I had no idea we were underwater. I had no idea that we were gonna ride the sky, how they, the billions of dollars that were spent on that ride, every penny was worth it.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 59:37Speaker 01

  It's like a boat ride, but that also-

• 59:39Speaker 02

  You go underwater?

• 59:40Speaker 01

  So that it's got full screen, so basically, it's like, you look out and it's the screen. You don't really know where the practical water ends and the screen begins, so it looks like you're in the vast ocean.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  It's kind of like a better version of, what was it, Journey to the Center of the Earth at Tokyo Disney?

• 59:55Speaker 04

  Oh, I liked Journey to the Center of the Earth.

• 59:56Speaker 01

  Journey's curious.

• 59:57Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 59:57Speaker 01

  It's like a jacked-up version of Pirates of the Caribbean.

• 1:00:00Speaker 04

  It's like, like 100 times, because then my son and I, we went to Disney, we got back here, and he goes, he looked at me and we were just at, like, Disneyland or Disney World here, and he was like, it's not the same.

• 1:00:10Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  He's dead-ass right.

• 1:00:13Speaker 04

  It was his favorite ride, that was his favorite ride, and like Shanghai Disney ruined it. Because he was like, well, it'll never be like that.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  It can and will never be. The Shanghai moment.

• 1:00:24Speaker 02

  Pirates of the Caribbean, okay.

• 1:00:25Speaker 04

  I love that you love Cosmic Rewind.

• 1:00:26Speaker 02

  Wait.

• 1:00:27Speaker 04

  What's your favorite song?

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  Conga.

• 1:00:29Speaker 04

  That's a good one.

• 1:00:31Speaker 02

  So for year, the first time I went, we went five times, never got Everybody Wants to Be the World, which was my favorite song. I wanted so badly. We just went.

• 1:00:38Speaker 04

  Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun.

• 1:00:39Speaker 02

  It's so good. But then when we went back this time, a couple of months ago, September.

• 1:00:46Speaker 04

  That's my son's favorite.

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  And I was just vibing. I felt like I was on a party drug. I was like, I'm having.

• 1:00:51Speaker 04

  It's a party drug.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  It is.

• 1:00:54Speaker 04

  Without taking drugs.

• 1:00:55Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:00:55Speaker 04

  It's such a good vibe.

• 1:00:57Speaker 02

  Oh, just.

• 1:00:57Speaker 04

  I love it.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  It changed some of our friends' lives. Our friend Steven got off of it, and I don't think he stopped talking about it.

• 1:01:02Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:01:02Speaker 01

  Look, people get, people get on the ride, they get off, and they're like, I can't deal with the fact that I have reached the peak joy of my life.

• 1:01:12Speaker 02

  You've transcended.

• 1:01:12Speaker 04

  You, it's, my daughter got me for Christmas this past year, an actual Cosmic Rewind. She had one made, like on Etsy with my nanny, because she was like, you know, you love this. I was like, it's my favorite, it's my happy place.

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  It's the dream. And now, you have a song on the rock and roller coaster.

• 1:01:29Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  Huge coup.

• 1:01:31Speaker 04

  It's my version of Walking on Sunshine.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:01:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was really cool. And my kids, we got on it and rode it. And it, and I felt like I was Thor.

• 1:01:39Speaker 01

  So we.

• 1:01:40Speaker 04

  Because they were like, you're, this is you on the ride. I was like, I'm incredible, right? This is amazing. Yes.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:01:47Speaker 04

  We're roller coasters.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  You randomly got it, or do they figure it out?

• 1:01:49Speaker 02

  They had to play it for you.

• 1:01:50Speaker 04

  They, they said they couldn't actually time, but they were gonna try to, but they can't actually because of how it, whatever. They're like, we're hoping, like, we're trying to do it, but, and it happened.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  Wait, can we just say for a second, that does not inspire much confidence in roller coasters in general, because if Disney World can't sink it so that they can play Walking on Sunshine.

• 1:02:11Speaker 04

  It's because it's random. They do it at a random, because there's so many songs that they do.

• 1:02:15Speaker 02

  You can't have roller coasters be random.

• 1:02:18Speaker 04

  It's like Cosmic Rewind, though. You can't.

• 1:02:20Speaker 02

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  It's randomized.

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  It's randomized.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  It's intentionally randomized.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  You can't leave anything to chance on these things.

• 1:02:27Speaker 04

  They were really trying. So they, but we did get it. It was very cool to have your own voice link. But I will say, I was such a fan of Aerosmith, like, I'm, I am a huge fan, but I was such a fan of them on that ride. I was still with them, like in the beginning. Why?

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:39Speaker 04

  You know, his whole thing?

• 1:02:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, I loved it. And I'd be doing it as well. And my son is like, what's wrong with you?

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  You know who we did get? Jennifer Hudson.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  We got Jennifer Hudson.

• 1:02:48Speaker 04

  Is she, is she on one of them?

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  She's on one of them too.

• 1:02:50Speaker 04

  What is she singing?

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  She sings Love Roller Coaster.

• 1:02:52Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was great. And one thing is, I want them to crank it up a little bit volume wise.

• 1:03:00Speaker 02

  I, we, maybe our ears weren't far back enough, but.

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  As Slater says.

• 1:03:04Speaker 02

  As Slater says.

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  What are you listening to lately?

• 1:03:06Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:08Speaker 04

  Jungle?

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  Love.

• 1:03:10Speaker 02

  Hey.

• 1:03:10Speaker 04

  My makeup artist turned me on to Jungle, and I now I'm obsessed and listen to it all the time.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I saw them at Coachella two years ago.

• 1:03:17Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  Incredible.

• 1:03:19Speaker 04

  She actually, funny enough, showed me like two years ago, and I missed it in the text, and I went back to look for a picture she had sent for something, and I was like, what is this? So I missed it. She told me about it like a couple of years ago, and I totally missed it. But yeah, love that.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 1:03:32Speaker 04

  Attaboy? I'm obsessed with Attaboy. Yep, I can listen to that all the time. Because I get on, I like music that I can get on my, because I, you know, have been this summer in Montana a lot.

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:41Speaker 04

  Any trail ride music? Because I'll be in my H T just like on the trail, and I, any vibe music like that, I'm down for.

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  You wanna, you wanna let it rip on the.

• 1:03:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, and then there's this song, I don't know the title, I'm trying to learn it. I think it's, I, I don't know what, I, I'm gonna sound stupid. I'm not even gonna say what I said. Anyway, I love it. It's a Carol G song, and it's called See, it's an older song of hers.

• 1:04:05Speaker 02

  It's a new Carol G.

• 1:04:08Speaker 02

  I need to listen to the new album.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  Carol G is everything. Actually, I was supposed to go see her the other night at MetLife and couldn't go.

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  She's filling out MetLife?

• 1:04:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's, no, she, she also headlined Coachella last year, and it was unbelievable.

• 1:04:22Speaker 04

  I am obsessed.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  Ever.

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  Ever.

• 1:04:27Speaker 04

  I gotta be honest with you, I didn't even know that. I just love it. I heard.

• 1:04:30Speaker 01

  It's huge.

• 1:04:31Speaker 04

  It was like, if you like this, you might like this or something. And I was like, okay. And I was listening to it, and I was like, is this my favorite song? My kids, now, we, it's so funny though, we're all in the car, and we're like.

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  But no words.

• 1:04:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I'm like, I haven't learned it yet, and I really want to learn it. I love it.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  Doesn't matter. You, you know, you know the notes.

• 1:04:49Speaker 04

  If I was doing a Kelly O'Keefe, I would do that. I didn't, I wasn't, I wasn't aware of the song.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:54Speaker 04

  I know, I was very mad.

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  This is where you make your big announcement. You're coming back.

• 1:04:59Speaker 04

  Coming back just to cover this song.

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  You know what I need people to make more noise about is the new Ellie Goulding.

• 1:05:05Speaker 04

  Oh, I don't know.

• 1:05:06Speaker 01

  Oh, she just released a new album.

• 1:05:08Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  I'm obsessed.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  I love her.

• 1:05:10Speaker 04

  I like her too.

• 1:05:11Speaker 01

  And you know what? I didn't realize how much I loved her always. Because I think that she actually is a pop artist that people took for granted.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  I think, I think they did too.

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  And I think that she actually was much more influential on the sound of all the younger pop girlies now. Even the way she sings, like, I guess they call it the cursive style of singing, like.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  I wouldn't consider that cursive.

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  Not really, but you know, it's like, sort of like, there's like an inherent rasp in it.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:38Speaker 04

  There's like a character to it.

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  To her, yes. And also, I would also throw, give credit to Halsey for this.

• 1:05:44Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? I also don't, I don't think, I think both of those ladies don't really give enough, get enough credit for, like.

• 1:05:51Speaker 04

  Julia Michaels too. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  Who?

• 1:05:52Speaker 02

  Julia Michaels.

• 1:05:53Speaker 01

  Julia Michaels.

• 1:05:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, that sound too, because she was on a lot of those, before she had her own thing, she was on a lot of those demos that went around. Like, she was writing for a lot of people. So a lot of people kind of adopted her sound too. I would, I would hear, I'm like, oh, this is like Julia. Like, because I only knew her as a demo sing, because when I'd, when they'd send you songs or whatever, they're like, hey, do you like this? Like, because I write, but I also like singing other people's stuff.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:15Speaker 04

  And I would, and I would start to hear her, it's like her and Sia.

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  Who is this girl I keep hearing?

• 1:06:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, it was like her and Sia, like, people would kind of adopt their sound, and they do sing their songs a little bit. So, yeah.

• 1:06:25Speaker 01

  Did that. She had, she had the song, Like a Cannonball. And I was like, this is a big open Sia album.

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  Big album.

• 1:06:32Speaker 04

  But it's kind, because they wrote a lot of songs for a lot of other people. So I think that's what, before they even, you know, not before, not Sia, Sia was not before, but Julia definitely was writing a lot before.

• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  Julia wrote for you, right?

• 1:06:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's written stuff. Yeah, she's, yeah.

• 1:06:45Speaker 01

  So good. The, the Sia song.

• 1:06:47Speaker 04

  Not piece by piece.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  Oh, no, no, but on the album.

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  On the album.

• 1:06:50Speaker 04

  I thought you meant that song. I was like, oh, no, not that one. Yeah.

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  No, that was all you.

• 1:06:53Speaker 04

  Yeah. I wish, I wish there's some trauma for that one.

• 1:06:55Speaker 02

  I know, yes, it's just, and I, I was like, wait, I don't, I'm not bringing up the, the stuff.

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  Testament to that song, though, that it's lived so many lives.

• 1:07:02Speaker 04

  Oh, piece by piece?

• 1:07:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:04Speaker 04

  You know what? And kind of cool, because I never really thought about music like that, to be able, you know, you always think about it of where it is, and it's that chapter, and that's what it is. And I was like, well, that's kind of interesting, to have somebody come in and like go, well, this is a different chapter. What does this feel like now? Kind of cool. I never really thought, I've never done it with another song, but like, and probably won't. But then it kind of feels like it landed where it was supposed to.

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:07:30Speaker 04

  For me now.

• 1:07:31Speaker 02

  It's like a both sides now situation, in a way.

• 1:07:33Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 1:07:34Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 1:07:35Speaker 04

  That's such a great song.

• 1:07:36Speaker 02

  But like, it, it'll just change meaning over time. Like, songs have that quality.

• 1:07:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:41Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:07:41Speaker 04

  Or when you listen to songs that you really like, when you're young, and you're like, oh, I didn't get it.

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, absolutely. There's whole artists for me like that. Like, I, I, it happened for me with Lana Del Rey.

• 1:07:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:53Speaker 01

  I never really understood it. And then, again, a few years ago, at Coachella, I, she did her headlining set, and I was like, oh, I get Lana Del Rey.

• 1:08:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  And then I went to like a whole year long Lana period.

• 1:08:07Speaker 04

  Her approach is such a cool vibe and singular. Like, it's her thing, you know?

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  Did you sing Off to the Races once?

• 1:08:15Speaker 04

  I did.

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  So cool.

• 1:08:17Speaker 04

  I don't know if I did it on the show. I think I did it in.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  I think I saw you do it in concert.

• 1:08:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think I did it in concert. Because people don't realize the Kelly O'Keefe thing. Like, I've been covering songs since, well, American Idol.

• 1:08:28Speaker 02

  Yes, exactly.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  You did it in all your shows.

• 1:08:30Speaker 04

  Since my first tour, like, I've been doing that regularly. So we just kind of brought it in the TV show. So it's kind of, because they're like, oh, what are you gonna do now? I'm like, well, kind of what I was doing before.

• 1:08:38Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:08:39Speaker 04

  I was like, I have been doing this, like, on the road for a while. So, yeah, no, I did, I did Off to the Races. Yeah.

• 1:08:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:45Speaker 04

  I love that one.

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  Um, just to speak one more time about the dolly of it all, like, I wanted to know, did you have a relationship with her, like a close relationship?

• 1:08:53Speaker 04

  I, not as super close one. We had, like, we, we always like ran into each other, and we're both very, um, we're both like souls that you could meet for the first time, I feel like, and we're both like, what's up? And you could really engage with someone and almost feel like you've known them.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:07Speaker 04

  For a minute. I feel like, I feel like we both have that kind of vibe about us.

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:09:10Speaker 04

  And we. From the first moment, you know, we met and we were sitting together, actually, I think it was at a Reba tribute years and years and years ago. And it was her and Barbara Mandrell and me. And I was like, which one of these is not like the other?

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  Was that the Kennedy Center?

• 1:09:25Speaker 04

  I was like, no, this was years ago for like a country thing. And then we kept running into each other. We'd run into each other at different things.

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  I remember this. You sang, Why Haven't I Heard From You?

• 1:09:33Speaker 04

  That's what I did for Reba. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was another thing. It was in Nashville that we were both doing a tribute, or it might have been in LA they were shooting. I can't remember. But anyway, we, but the thing that, I think the moment we had, which was so telling, which nobody really knew, was like the day, well, first of all, she'd asked, they'd said, oh, Dolly was asking if you'd sing at this tribute, because they're doing a Dolly tribute. And I guess she had asked specifically if I would do it. And I was like, oh, my God, for sure. Whatever she wants. Well, didn't know that would entail, I will always love you.

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, but she loved your version.

• 1:10:04Speaker 04

  Well, that is a tall order.

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:08Speaker 04

  From two giant, enormous influences of mine that are like, what? So we tried to do a marriage of to honor her version and Whitney's. But it was crazy, because not many people knew. I mean, they knew she was side stage and like watching me do it. And but they didn't know, like, my divorce papers, everything was final, my life, 30 minutes before that performance. So I found out like right before that performance.

• 1:10:33Speaker 01

  So you lived it.

• 1:10:34Speaker 04

  And, and I'm sitting there and she kind of caught me and we were backstage and, and I was like, I'm sorry. I was like, I'm, I was like, I, because she kind of saw and she was, I'd done something, we were having a conversation about something else. And I was like, I'm sorry. I was like, it's just kind of a wild moment for me. And I was like, I'm going to go out there and do this song. And I know, you know, the, the Porter Wagner, like the whole thing with that song and like why that song is, it was just kind of crazy, like what I was going through in that moment. And then we just had this moment backstage where she's just one of those people you don't have to know your whole life, but you can in one instance.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:11:08Speaker 04

  Like, and so every time we ran into each other, she was so cool. And it's like you're catching up with an old friend. But then that moment for me, and you know, what she said backstage to me was just like, it was just a really beautiful thing and, and really helpful. Because I was like, oh, my God, you cannot break. Like, this moment isn't about you. Like, this is a tribute to someone. And I, but I was like, carrying like, you know, so much had just been like lifted. It was just a really weird hour for me. But yeah, but anyway, she was very, very cool. And I'll never forget that moment. And and then I also was like, I slightly hate you for asking me to sing this song.

• 1:11:44Speaker 04

  This is a tall order.

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  It feels like that's kind of, um, a bit of a theme, is you need to, or you are asked to sing the songs in very difficult moments. Like even going back all the way to American Idol, where it's like, there's pressure on this live moment. And then there's the overwhelming emotion.

• 1:12:02Speaker 04

  They asked me to sing that. And I came back and it was like, oh, man, I'm pregnant and so emotional. And it was like these halls as I was 19 years old. And yeah.

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  We've seen you perform while carrying a lot many times over the past, now 20, almost 25 years. That's kind of maybe the most out of anyone like that sings professionally. It's like we see you.

• 1:12:24Speaker 04

  That's the thing, too. You don't know what people are.

• 1:12:26Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:12:27Speaker 04

  Like, I, you know, I've, I remember, I had to leave, we were all on tour and Katy came out, Katy Perry came out with her, it was at a documentary or a film or something, whatever, we went to go watch it. I had to leave. Because I was like, if the moment when she was in, I think it was Sao Paulo, I've been at that festival too. And you're coming up and your life is falling apart. But you're like, okay, this moment isn't about me. So I've got to like, pull it together for the others. Like, you know, it's like, and it's not like a, we're all human. So if you break, it's okay. But like, it, you know, it's just like, I had to, I was like, oh, and I'm good. I was like, I don't need to watch this.

• 1:13:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's so real.

• 1:13:02Speaker 04

  But all of us do that. Like, yes, it's maybe different when you're in a spotlight and tons of people watching. But the same thing, people are showing up at their cubicle, or they're showing up as a teacher, or they're showing up, whatever job they do, we all have so much going on. And that's why it's like, when it can be such a hateful, kind of hard world, it's like, just remember, everybody's got their own shit going on. You have no idea what's happening behind the curtain. And what they're kind of keeping together. Like, you just don't know. So like, maybe just be a little kind.

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  Of course. But I think you're also an example of, even if you do share that, if you, and that's totally at your discretion. But if you do share the things that you're going through as you go and perform something like you just did with the Dolly story, or with the piece by, I'll never forget the piece by piece performance because of the context, because of what you were experiencing.

• 1:13:49Speaker 04

  People don't know, like, also, rough times. Me and my significant other at that time. So it was like, a lot of projection, too, of like, we can do this. You know, like, it was like, yeah.

• 1:14:00Speaker 01

  It's almost like, it's almost like you're performing the song

• 1:14:05Speaker 01

  even to yourself. You know what I mean?

• 1:14:07Speaker 04

  For sure. Yeah. And like wanting it to be a reality.

• 1:14:11Speaker 02

  So just even if people do know, I think it's like, it's not a bad thing. It's a, it's a great thing. It's, it's like a really additive layer to it. And it's, I don't know, it just makes it even more special.

• 1:14:20Speaker 04

  Well, and I say that, I probably wouldn't have ever told that story. But I say that because it's really a testament of who she was as a person as well. That's what I mean. Like, she was so helpful and beautiful as a human, and was talking to me as a human, and wasn't worried at all about the song or like the performance. She was like, it was just on a human level. She was such a kind individual. And I think that a lot of bad always gets said about people and gossip, you know, the bad stuff always gets said more than the good. And so it's like, no, she was an amazing musician and songwriter and a pioneer for women in the industry, for sure, all of those things. But like, I mean, for sure, just an amazing human to live up to.

• 1:14:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. And also, you know, there's so much talk right now about how, you know, she was the most beloved American and everyone could agree on her. But the thing is, I feel like when people say that, they're forgetting, she also was a very outspoken person. And she, you knew what she believed in. And she believed in children's literacy. And she believed that like, people should be kind. And she was a fierce advocate for queer people and LGBTQ plus rights. And, you know, so this, but, but you always knew she was heart forward. You know what I mean? I feel like you share that with her.

• 1:15:33Speaker 04

  Well, and I feel like with her too, people forget, like, I mean, we're young for this, but like, I think it was a little hard for her in the beginning, too. She was doing a lot of things that people weren't doing, like, and then even not even like just standing up, but even physical things. She would, she'd be very honest about, she'd be like, I know people will make fun, you make fun of me. Like, she was very just open and vulnerable. And I think that's what was so attractive about it.

• 1:15:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. She wasn't pretending to be anything other than exactly what she was.

• 1:16:00Speaker 04

  She was like one of those people that's like, no, I've had no work done.

• 1:16:03Speaker 02

  Right, exactly.

• 1:16:04Speaker 04

  It's like, okay.

• 1:16:05Speaker 02

  Which at the time, like, was revolutionary.

• 1:16:07Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying. It was very bold. Yeah. But I don't think she was meaning to be bold. I think that's just how she came out.

• 1:16:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:13Speaker 04

  You know, like, talking with her, it's like, I just think that's who you are. Like, I don't think she was trying to like, be brave or bold or whatever.

• 1:16:20Speaker 01

  With her too, is it's like, you make it, it's very clear when you watch her, like, humor was also armor for her. You know what I mean? She was like, I'm gonna make a joke there. Like, it takes a lot of money to look this cheap, like, etc. Like, I'm gonna say the thing about me before you can.

• 1:16:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:34Speaker 01

  And that I have the power.

• 1:16:35Speaker 04

  It's playground bully mentality. You gotta make fun of yourself before the other one can. I gotta beat you to it. Yeah.

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  But the thing I'll never forget, and like, you know, that Barbara Walters interview kept circulating when she passed. But like, when I watched, like, back in college.

• 1:16:49Speaker 04

  I didn't see that one.

• 1:16:50Speaker 02

  Oh, she's just, you know, Barbara Walters, like, you don't have to dress in all these ridiculous outfits. You don't have to have the wig. You don't have to do all these things. Like, why don't you just present yourself as a songwriter? And she goes, oh, well, she goes, I know that fame is a money making joke, and I just do this because I like it. And she goes, I am sure of myself. I am sure of my talent.

• 1:17:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:17:10Speaker 02

  And I'm like, that's all it has to be for her.

• 1:17:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:17:13Speaker 02

  Like, I'm like, oh, that's all it has to be for anybody. You know what I mean? You just have to be sure of your, of what you have to, to give.

• 1:17:20Speaker 04

  And I think that's the thing, too, like, running into people in the industry that are, I mean, we've all worked with them. They can be insecure. And it's like, insecurity is such a cancer for a room. Like, it's like, it'll just kill us. It's like, oh, like, don't do that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, don't, like, be confident in your gifts. Be confident with what you have. Like, be bold. Like, that's, it's, because when you have people like that and you're around that kind of legend, and it's like, well, they're freaked out because they're so confident in their skin, and they're confident in their talent. And they're not afraid to say that person did a good job because it lessens what they do. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like a lot of people can be so insecure. It's like, oh, if I give them flowers, that means I get less. And it's like, what? I just feel like.

• 1:18:02Speaker 01

  Or like, now I'm owed something for having been kind. You know what I mean? It's like, you know what I mean? Like, those people that are just like, you can tell it's all a little bit transactional.

• 1:18:10Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:18:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:11Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:18:12Speaker 04

  I love that I wrote.

• 1:18:14Speaker 02

  Anyway.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  They're all, I mean, it's just so funny. It's just like, when you get into the industry, you realize like, good leadership is actually really kind of rare. Like, it's like, it's like anything, though, you know?

• 1:18:24Speaker 04

  But I usually feel, I mean, do you find that most people that are good leaders don't want to be?

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  That's actually a really good point.

• 1:18:31Speaker 04

  They don't want to be. Like, it's like, you get put in that situation, it's like, I don't really want to do this. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, I feel like most people that I look to and I'm like, oh, they're good. It wasn't because they like wanted to be, they just kind of are.

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:44Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  Like, service made them go forward and not like, I am going to be the person to deliver this message. Only I can do it.

• 1:18:51Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, that's a narcissist.

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:18:53Speaker 04

  Only I.

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:56Speaker 02

  Truly, truly.

• 1:18:57Speaker 01

  They are out there. They're crawling.

• 1:19:01Speaker 01

  Get away from them.

• 1:19:02Speaker 04

  It's okay, though. You know what I, I, it'll, I don't, I think getting older too, like, with stuff like that, especially talking to my kids, like, cause they're, you know, they're harder ages. Once in middle school and it's like, hey buddy, like it'll find them.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  It'll find them.

• 1:19:18Speaker 04

  Don't worry about it. Like you do you. And if somebody's putting that out there, don't, don't even worry about it. Like they're, first of all, their movie sucks because they're focused on yours. Like their life sucks. Like it's like, if their life was awesome, they wouldn't be so worried about what you're doing.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:31Speaker 04

  Like, it's like, so just, yeah, I was like, just stay the course and like, it'll, don't be mad that she, cause sometimes my daughter can be like, the injustice really gets to her. And it's like, I get that. And yes, there is a point to where depending on the situation, but like, as well, like, don't worry about that and do you, it'll find them. It'll, it'll, what you put out there will come back. So be careful what you're putting out there.

• 1:19:55Speaker 01

  You're right. It does.

• 1:19:56Speaker 02

  The best way to go about it is just to understand that you can't control other people's actions.

• 1:20:00Speaker 04

  Yeah. And that's what a freedom.

• 1:20:02Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:20:02Speaker 04

  To know, like, I don't have to take, it's enough to worry about your own front porch.

• 1:20:06Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 1:20:07Speaker 01

  You know what's like one thing that I feel like I learned in the last year that has been really, really easy is just remember how people make you feel. You know what I mean? Like just clock it. If someone is making you feel a consistent way.

• 1:20:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:22Speaker 01

  That's not something to ignore. It's like, even if they're not meaning to do it, it's like how you feel, there's something there.

• 1:20:30Speaker 04

  It doesn't make them bad or wrong. It just makes it not what you're needing right now and not what I'm into. Yeah.

• 1:20:34Speaker 01

  You know, and it's just, it's also like, it's your energy. It's your feelings. I think I thought for a long time, like, oh, I have to have this person in my life because they're in my life. You know what I mean? And then I think when you get a little bit older and your time means more and your energy means more.

• 1:20:51Speaker 04

  Get a little wiser.

• 1:20:52Speaker 01

  You get a little wiser and you get a little bit more economical with your own time. Where it's like, I don't have the time to have the same, you know, conversation with you that we've had for 15 years.

• 1:21:03Speaker 02

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• 1:21:08Speaker 04

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  Okay.

• 1:25:25Speaker 01

  And this is our moment.

• 1:25:27Speaker 04

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  To sort of rant railing. Oh, you have a prepared one today?

• 1:25:30Speaker 04

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• 1:25:30Speaker 01

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  And it's a controversial one. I don't care.

• 1:25:33Speaker 01

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• 1:25:39Speaker 04

  I just mean, I think a lot of people have a lot of thoughts on it, but yeah, okay.

• 1:25:41Speaker 01

  Can we see this jacket actually before? Cause I think it's actually really cute. Does it say iced tea on the back?

• 1:25:46Speaker 04

  So this is, uh,

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  Sugar honey iced tea.

• 1:25:49Speaker 02

  Which stands for shit.

• 1:25:50Speaker 04

  Whole lot of,

• 1:25:51Speaker 01

  Oh, a lot of woman.

• 1:25:53Speaker 04

  But it's also in a whole lot of woman. So Carrie, Carrie was who worked at Atlantic Records. She worked the record with me and she had it made.

• 1:26:01Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 1:26:02Speaker 04

  It does say shit. Yes.

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  It does say shit.

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  Which is, it's a double win.

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• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  I'm gonna go first. This is our 60 second little rant segment. You know, you know.

• 1:26:14Speaker 02

  This is, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so. Honey's time starts now.

• 1:26:16Speaker 04

  It stresses me out.

• 1:26:17Speaker 01

  I don't think so, honey, lower back. I feel you getting different. And here's the thing. Just started engaging with kettlebells. We're not going to fight about this lower back. We're gonna do the things we need to do. We're gonna engage our, what I'm told is my whole lower body and it's gonna change everything. Lower back, I feel like, I don't think so, honey, in the mornings when I can't feel you.

• 1:26:42Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:26:42Speaker 01

  It's not that it's in pain. It's just like, can I feel it? Lower back, you are the hardest thing to stretch. It is very uncomfortable to try to stretch you because when I am going to stretch my back, the back stretches I do know, that's sort of like, I mean, I can feel it a little bit, but again, it's never exactly right. If, do you feel me on this?

• 1:27:02Speaker 02

  15 seconds.

• 1:27:03Speaker 01

  I don't think so, honey, lower back. It's just, it's incredibly hard to engage in a way where you're worried and it incredibly, no, it's incredibly easy to engage in a way where you're worried after, but incredibly hard to engage with it in a way where like, mm, now I feel better. And I don't want another addiction. You know what I mean? Like if I start taking pain meds for it.

• 1:27:23Speaker 04

  Don't do it.

• 1:27:24Speaker 01

  Cause already I self medicate with the marijuana and I'm calling myself in. Gotta stop doing that. Gonna go to the weed seltzers.

• 1:27:31Speaker 02

  Oh, well, see.

• 1:27:32Speaker 01

  That's still a THC addiction and that is enabling attitude on my part, but I'm gonna figure my life out. First, lower back, you gotta help me.

• 1:27:43Speaker 02

  And that's one minute and 30 seconds.

• 1:27:45Speaker 01

  Whoa, did I really go that over?

• 1:27:46Speaker 02

  That's okay. I let, I let you, I let you have the floor. He can't handle another addiction because he's not really giving up the weed. He's just taking it. He's, you're giving up smoking.

• 1:27:54Speaker 01

  So I have to go on tour in December and be singing.

• 1:27:57Speaker 04

  You're no quitter. Yeah.

• 1:27:58Speaker 01

  No, and that, no, I'm no quitter. No. And now, but now it's, now it's at the point where I'm like, okay, like it's, it's now like, the synthetic marijuana that they make is so, I used to just be a good old fashioned, you know, ordinary stoner. And now it's like the weed that they Make if they sell truly on the street legal is like you know it's oh this is this is it's not weed it's chronic. I that's what I'm saying it's not marijuana.

• 1:28:29Speaker 02

  It's a Dre record. It's the chronic.

• 1:28:32Speaker 01

  It's not okay. Anyway.

• 1:28:36Speaker 02

  I think um yeah you know you know what's actually interesting I thought my lower back issues were very unique to me because I have no torso. Meanwhile, you're all torso.

• 1:28:45Speaker 01

  Quite long.

• 1:28:46Speaker 02

  And it does you're damned if you do you're damned if you don't lengthwise your lower back's gonna fuck you.

• 1:28:52Speaker 01

  I wanna check in on you.

• 1:28:53Speaker 04

  I'm older than y'all though so hold on have you ever been at a really long dinner? You're out with friends.

• 1:28:59Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:29:00Speaker 04

  We have surpassed three hours. This is not a normal dinner.

• 1:29:03Speaker 02

  Get me out of there.

• 1:29:04Speaker 01

  No and suddenly you're like.

• 1:29:05Speaker 04

  Dinner but you've had fun nobody even realizes it's been three hours it's one of those dinners.

• 1:29:08Speaker 02

  Oh it's nice.

• 1:29:09Speaker 04

  But then you get up.

• 1:29:12Speaker 04

  And you're like what the fuck?

• 1:29:15Speaker 01

  Remember when you could like.

• 1:29:16Speaker 04

  My back right now how was I?

• 1:29:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:18Speaker 04

  What was what happened?

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:21Speaker 04

  You were in a you were in a seated position in one position so long you're maybe crammed into a booth and then all of a sudden you're like. How does everything from my lower back down hurt right now like what is happening?

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  What did I do?

• 1:29:33Speaker 02

  What did I do?

• 1:29:34Speaker 04

  I didn't do anything and that was the problem I was stiff too long.

• 1:29:38Speaker 02

  This is a little personal but was it was it crazy back style stuff when you were with child?

• 1:29:45Speaker 04

  I honestly remember nothing from pregnancy except for wanting to my life I it was the worst experience of my life. I was vomiting and just the worst experience of my life I I'm not one of those people that's like it's magical.

• 1:29:58Speaker 02

  No get out of here.

• 1:30:00Speaker 04

  Congratulations for you.

• 1:30:02Speaker 02

  But it can't just be that.

• 1:30:03Speaker 04

  It was the worst experience of my life and I thought it couldn't get worse and then I got pregnant again and it turns out it can get worse.

• 1:30:10Speaker 01

  The second time was worse.

• 1:30:11Speaker 04

  The second time was I was hospitalized both like I don't remember anything except for just the horror film.

• 1:30:16Speaker 02

  I'm so sorry.

• 1:30:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:30:17Speaker 01

  God.

• 1:30:18Speaker 02

  Sorry to bring it up I just I just thought in terms of the back pain I'm like well that's the ultimate final boss.

• 1:30:22Speaker 04

  I mean it's just weird though when you get yeah you stand up and you're like what?

• 1:30:27Speaker 01

  I remember you on talk shows at the time you were pregnant and you fully were like I'm gonna throw up.

• 1:30:33Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:30:33Speaker 01

  You were like telling the host like I'm gonna throw up.

• 1:30:35Speaker 04

  Oh I and it wasn't a joke like I I remember being on Ellen I had to come on Ellen I was. I literally was saying no to everything and then P S Y P that whole performance whatever and they were like can you please just do Ellen they'll let you. Look you can barf right before you go out and right and I was like are you shitting me and I was like fine whatever so I literally barfed. In a trash can right as I'm like walking out go on leave barf like it was just.

• 1:31:02Speaker 01

  And then you have to use your vocal cords.

• 1:31:04Speaker 04

  Yeah which is so fun.

• 1:31:06Speaker 02

  Something's wrong there where like the amenity is you can barf wherever you want.

• 1:31:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:31:11Speaker 02

  As long as you show up.

• 1:31:13Speaker 01

  We just wanna make sure you're comfortable so you can barf wherever.

• 1:31:16Speaker 04

  Like not when you're pregnant like when you're struggling or at a vocal like we can pump you with steroids I'm like oh my god that sounds like such a good time. Thank you for the band-aid.

• 1:31:24Speaker 01

  So I can be crazy.

• 1:31:25Speaker 04

  What?

• 1:31:26Speaker 01

  Cause like the other thing about that is like yeah maybe your voice will be better but then you have to speak in between and you're like.

• 1:31:32Speaker 04

  And those are horrible for you it's only for severe situations like yeah.

• 1:31:36Speaker 02

  And like what like yeah give me the steroid but is there like someone who can like suck it out of my bloodstream afterwards immediately? Sorry.

• 1:31:45Speaker 01

  How is your hip by the way?

• 1:31:47Speaker 02

  Oh my hip is fine I'm I'm getting PT I fell on it for oh marry no problem it's worth it okay let's let's get me on I've got something.

• 1:31:54Speaker 04

  What's your go okay what's yours?

• 1:31:56Speaker 02

  I think mine might be controversial too.

• 1:31:58Speaker 01

  Certified Broadway star.

• 1:32:00Speaker 02

  Stop.

• 1:32:01Speaker 01

  Bowen Yang his I don't think so honey well it starts now.

• 1:32:04Speaker 02

  I don't think so honey gum why did we ever invent the thing in the first place? If it can't be digested within seven years why are we putting it anywhere near our mouths? It's not like corn where it passes through yet but it was really worth it it tasted pretty good gum. I don't even know if it's doing anything for the breath it's certainly I don't I don't know now I have to learn what xylitol is. Just because of this thing that should not exist it is a freak of science it is an anomaly of human invention. We did not need it mints did us just fine breath sprays did us just fine we don't need this thing to chew on.

• 1:32:47Speaker 02

  Unless you think oh but what about the oral fixation suck on a toothpick put anything else in your mouth chew on some cud. It doesn't have to be gum it doesn't have to be I don't know I just kinda made it's you know cud it feels like a rural thing. But I don't know.

• 1:33:04Speaker 02

  Gum is no longer necessary it has been obsolete since its inception.

• 1:33:09Speaker 01

  That is one minute and six seconds.

• 1:33:11Speaker 04

  A TMJ nightmare.

• 1:33:13Speaker 02

  TMJ nightmare.

• 1:33:14Speaker 04

  I can't do I can't chew gum because.

• 1:33:15Speaker 01

  You have TMJ?

• 1:33:16Speaker 04

  Yes oh my god.

• 1:33:18Speaker 01

  Not you with jaw tension.

• 1:33:19Speaker 04

  This happened yeah how much I move my mouth are you fucking kidding me? Never shut up no I it happens like it hasn't happened in a while. But I have been singing on stage and my jaw will lock and I you'll see me look down. And I have to release it that way or it'll get stuck.

• 1:33:38Speaker 02

  Oh no.

• 1:33:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:33:41Speaker 01

  Horrible for a singer.

• 1:33:43Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:33:43Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:33:44Speaker 01

  What do we do?

• 1:33:45Speaker 02

  Well.

• 1:33:45Speaker 04

  I have a big overbite too yeah I have a yeah.

• 1:33:47Speaker 02

  I've got an underbite. Well it's like it's just not totally you know you know what I mean?

• 1:33:52Speaker 04

  It's not an underbite?

• 1:33:53Speaker 02

  And it's it's not like full on under it but it's like it's getting there.

• 1:33:57Speaker 04

  I had like a yeah you can yeah.

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  Get this went to the dentist the other day they go veneers.

• 1:34:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:34:05Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 1:34:05Speaker 01

  And I go I don't know.

• 1:34:07Speaker 04

  Chicklet teeth I don't know.

• 1:34:08Speaker 01

  But then then they started to it was like that situation where like.

• 1:34:12Speaker 04

  Did they try and convince you that's different now? They're like it's different now.

• 1:34:16Speaker 01

  She tried to convince me that she was the one.

• 1:34:18Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:34:19Speaker 01

  Only I can fix it.

• 1:34:20Speaker 02

  It's a grift.

• 1:34:21Speaker 01

  She said she said I this is what I do I do veneers not like everyone else not like other girls. And I was very like okay and then I went back and I was like maybe I'll just do Invisalign.

• 1:34:32Speaker 02

  Neither of you unless there's like a like an underlying issue neither of you please don't get you don't need it you don't.

• 1:34:37Speaker 04

  No it well the reason is they were because I love tea and coffee.

• 1:34:42Speaker 02

  Yes oh sure.

• 1:34:43Speaker 04

  And I have very porous teeth.

• 1:34:45Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 1:34:46Speaker 04

  So she was like well and and she was like if you're wanting I was like I well I'm not I didn't ask for. I I'll just take what they are like that's fine.

• 1:34:54Speaker 01

  Yeah this is good with me.

• 1:34:54Speaker 04

  I'm doing alright and I don't like to mess with like anything nose or mouth or any anything near my core anything related that might interfere.

• 1:35:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:03Speaker 04

  Cause I have interviewed people that have had veneers and there's a slight lisp sometimes not all the time but sometimes and I'm like oh.

• 1:35:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:12Speaker 01

  You ever interview someone before and after they've had a lot of work and you're like oh my god.

• 1:35:16Speaker 04

  Oh my god and you have to stare directly at their eyes and make sure nothing goes anywhere you can't look anywhere else. You know what's worse though is when women would come on and I'm like I am like one of those people I'm like you should wear what you wanna wear be free like whatever my kids are like embarrassing me. I could live naked and be fine like I'm like I don't do that okay nobody take my children away I'm like just like around my house naked. But like I'm very comfortable in my skin so I'm like I'm down like whatever anybody wants to be but. When you sit down for an interview and your ta ta's are just out it's hard not to look.

• 1:35:49Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:35:50Speaker 01

  We're boob gays.

• 1:35:51Speaker 04

  It's hard not to look I'm not even yeah I'm not even like checking out but it's just like well they're on display and they look nice so I you glance.

• 1:35:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:59Speaker 02

  And unless you're Dolly who loved it when people clocked her boobs like it's tough you don't know you don't know where people are at with their breasts.

• 1:36:07Speaker 04

  I know and I'm like oh my god I'm so sorry it's just like but they're there and they're out and it's not.

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  It's like the line um my eyes are up here it's like well your boobs are also out right there.

• 1:36:16Speaker 04

  They're right there and they look great and you know congratulations and but I try to not but yeah when you're interviewing you're like okay don't look anywhere else but the eyeballs. You know what I'm saying like don't I yes I had a hard time with that yes.

• 1:36:30Speaker 02

  It's tough for the ADHD girls like us we just wanna you know I'm sorry and I just looked at yours I'm so sorry.

• 1:36:38Speaker 04

  Did you bring your?

• 1:36:42Speaker 01

  Okay are you ready for your I don't think so honey?

• 1:36:44Speaker 04

  Yeah yes.

• 1:36:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:36:46Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:36:46Speaker 01

  So this is Kelly Clarkson's I don't think so honey her time starts now.

• 1:36:50Speaker 04

  Controversial I don't care here's the thing I love AI there are very amazing things with AI that I am obsessed with. But also and I'm very into it artistically too I have fun with it just like everybody else does but when you see. AI artists competing on a chart with humans I have an issue.

• 1:37:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:08Speaker 04

  I think there should be a separate chart I think it's welcome I think it's welcome to the table I think it's really cool and creative what we're gonna create with AI and musically and. People that maybe can't do certain things will be able to do it now and then you'll get to I think it's a fun field like to play in. But I don't think that they should be competing with humans like it's like basically like. Having Olympics and then you're having like people that like robots can be with humans like well who's gonna throw further oh I wonder.

• 1:37:37Speaker 04

  So I think it's I'm down with it and I think it's a very interesting thing and what we're gonna do with it is gonna be fun but I do not think they should be competing.

• 1:37:45Speaker 02

  And that's one minute. I didn't know they were on the same charts.

• 1:37:48Speaker 04

  Apparently they are.

• 1:37:49Speaker 01

  Well they actually did you see that crazy interview that CNN did with Tilly Norwood who's an AI actress?

• 1:37:55Speaker 02

  She started speaking Cantonese in the middle of the interview.

• 1:37:57Speaker 01

  So they interviewed.

• 1:37:58Speaker 04

  It's not a real person?

• 1:37:59Speaker 01

  No it's it's an AI actress who basically like CNN interviewed as if she was real this was absurd. And they basically were like Tilly like. Do you have dreams of being nominated for an Oscar? And then she said something like,

• 1:38:13Speaker 04

  Do you have dreams? You could have stopped there.

• 1:38:15Speaker 01

  Like, then, then, then she goes, she goes, um, she was, they were asking her, like, what do you think when, um, someone says something like, you're not a real actress or something? And she goes, well, yeah, that stung a bit. I'm like, you're not real. And then,

• 1:38:33Speaker 02

  Sting.

• 1:38:34Speaker 04

  But isn't it kind of fun to watch? I don't know.

• 1:38:36Speaker 02

  Like, it's crazy to watch because in the mid, you didn't see this part, did you?

• 1:38:40Speaker 01

  Which part?

• 1:38:40Speaker 02

  In the middle.

• 1:38:41Speaker 01

  She started speaking.

• 1:38:41Speaker 02

  She started speaking Cantonese in the middle of the interview out of nowhere. And then, and then Piers Morgan and this other guy are both like, Tilly, you just started speaking Chinese out of nowhere. What happened? And she goes, sorry about that. It happens sometimes with me. And you're like, this is a joke.

• 1:38:59Speaker 01

  And the fact that you, the fact that you called it out, it stung a bit.

• 1:39:05Speaker 01

  It stung a bit.

• 1:39:06Speaker 04

  Here's the thing, though. It's not going anywhere.

• 1:39:08Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:39:09Speaker 04

  That's the thing. It's not going anywhere, but I just think it shouldn't. I think it, I think it is interesting. And there's so many amazing scientific things that are happening. I think, I don't think it's going anywhere, but I, I think that you have to be able to differentiate between, we can't lose human. You can't lose what that is. Like, and that, you know,

• 1:39:29Speaker 02

  There will always be an appetite for that. It's just, I,

• 1:39:31Speaker 04

  But there can be an appetite for both, is what I'm saying.

• 1:39:33Speaker 02

  I just didn't realize that we're both on the same chart, which is, that is crazy.

• 1:39:36Speaker 04

  I've, now I feel like, I didn't, I feel like somebody just showed me that.

• 1:39:39Speaker 02

  No, no, I'm sure you're right. I'm sure you're right.

• 1:39:41Speaker 04

  I feel like somebody, yeah. And I was like, okay, I don't mind them being on chart, but I feel like there should be separate ones, because that's not, um, well,

• 1:39:48Speaker 01

  Listen, it's just, it's not a human. It shouldn't come at the expense of a human achievement. You know what I mean? Where, because to chart as an artist is a huge deal.

• 1:39:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:58Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? When you see that you are some, even to take one spot on a chart away from a human artist that can, you know, My concerns with it are broadly safety, which now, because now they're saying things like, you know, we, like, even the AI, like, heads of these companies are like, we need to be regulated. Like, just letting everyone know, we do need to be regulated.

• 1:40:18Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:40:19Speaker 01

  And the government, obviously, you know, Trump is not going to regulate it because he wants to beat China. So,

• 1:40:24Speaker 02

  He created something yesterday or today. He was like, all right, maybe. But yeah, anyway.

• 1:40:29Speaker 04

  The race.

• 1:40:29Speaker 01

  Shut up!

• 1:40:31Speaker 04

  The race might get us in trouble, yeah.

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  But then, like, and then also, like, I do think in terms of human artistic opportunity, I don't, I think it's really important that we separate.

• 1:40:43Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:40:43Speaker 04

  Because there's also a level of it, though, too, that humans are using it to create as well. So that's why I'm not against, I don't want to, I don't want to be like, oh, I'm hardcore against it. I'm just hardcore against it, replacing. I think that there needs to be, both can, I think both can exist. I think everybody's so like, black and white about it. And it's like, or, both can be creative in a completely different way.

• 1:41:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:05Speaker 04

  You know?

• 1:41:06Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, and the fact is, this is another part of it, which is the fact that they've been using it for a long, a much longer time than I think.

• 1:41:14Speaker 04

  I mean, even if you want to include people using autotune, like, that's not, you know what I'm saying? That's, that's altering it. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's been going on for a minute.

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  I think people tend to separate it as like, oh, well, there's like data center sort of like,

• 1:41:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:27Speaker 02

  usage and it is like completely recursive, or it's just amassing all of these different artistic outputs from like history. And that's like the main difference. But sure, it's like, it is this thing where it's like, well, then, like, where do you draw the line? But yeah, I mean, I, that is, I, I guess I tend to, I've switched over to Apple Music because I feel like Spotify does sort of like try to sneak in the AI stuff in their algorithms. And I'm like, I'm good on that. And so, but it's just, it is weird that it's like all in the same.

• 1:41:57Speaker 04

  That's the only thing for me. Yeah, I did, I did, it's all, I think all of it can, can be creative, but it's just like, you have to have, like you said, the regulation of like respect and like also room. There's room for everything and you can't lose like the human element. I think that would be a shame.

• 1:42:13Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:42:13Speaker 01

  Well, it would be the death of, if we lose the human element of it, it's like,

• 1:42:18Speaker 02

  Well, then the robots won.

• 1:42:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:42:21Speaker 02

  Then you didn't.

• 1:42:21Speaker 04

  But then again, I mean, there are those, I don't, I should leave that alone.

• 1:42:26Speaker 02

  No, you, you,

• 1:42:27Speaker 01

  Tell us after.

• 1:42:28Speaker 02

  You beat the robots by singing golden.

• 1:42:30Speaker 04

  No, I just mean that, but there is that thing that you said, it's been happening for a while. There are those artists you see live and you're like, this doesn't sound like the record.

• 1:42:35Speaker 01

  Oh, you are the Tilly Norwood of music.

• 1:42:39Speaker 04

  It's like, it's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 1:42:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I mean, I think, well, I'll tell you after, but I think one of them is getting it pretty hard right now.

• 1:42:44Speaker 04

  But once again, though, it's like, it's how you consider the art. It's like, are you looking at that as a vocalist? Are you looking at that as a, an art, an artistic thing? Like, you know what I'm saying? Or are you looking at it, like, how are you, you know?

• 1:42:55Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:42:55Speaker 04

  That's where I'm like, um, I don't know.

• 1:42:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:42:58Speaker 01

  Well, we solved it.

• 1:42:59Speaker 02

  We solved it.

• 1:43:00Speaker 01

  We've,

• 1:43:00Speaker 04

  You're welcome.

• 1:43:01Speaker 01

  From now on, it's, it's separate.

• 1:43:03Speaker 04

  It should be separate.

• 1:43:04Speaker 01

  Um, well, is there anything you want to tell us about, like, I don't know, when new music could come or like, what's the deal?

• 1:43:12Speaker 04

  We're working on it right now. Um, but yeah, like I said, there's, there's three, there's kind of three different things going on right now.

• 1:43:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:19Speaker 04

  So, um,

• 1:43:20Speaker 02

  You're throwing us off the scent by saying there's three different things.

• 1:43:22Speaker 01

  Well, you didn't really talk about the third thing.

• 1:43:24Speaker 04

  Well, there's, well, so we're coming up on 25 years, which is interesting.

• 1:43:30Speaker 01

  That's so interesting.

• 1:43:31Speaker 04

  And then, and then, and then there's something that the fans have been waiting for, for years.

• 1:43:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:36Speaker 04

  That is, uh, maybe in the works.

• 1:43:38Speaker 01

  It's interesting.

• 1:43:39Speaker 04

  And then there's like, uh, I'm telling you what, like, it's in the, it's in the pop realm, but it's, it's very different from anything I've ever vocally done, that we're working on for another single.

• 1:43:54Speaker 01

  Because it's quiet.

• 1:43:56Speaker 04

  It's,

• 1:43:59Speaker 04

  it's, yeah, it's, it's not, it's not only just quiet, it's more like, if you were like, you know, having a conversation with someone on the phone, it's like more like, it's interesting. It's just different. It's a different approach where I was like, do I love this? Like, this is not my vibe generally, but, and,

• 1:44:18Speaker 01

  And now you have so much time to explore things like that.

• 1:44:20Speaker 04

  And that's the thing, too. We're playing, you know? And that's why whenever people are like, oh, you're playing stagecoach, you're going country. And I'm like, I'm never gonna just go one way. Because I remember actually whenever I did release a country single years ago, and Vince Gill was cool enough to be on it, it's called Don't Rush. And, but they, I pretty much was told to my face by the people that are at the stations, they're like, unless you quit pop music,

• 1:44:42Speaker 01

  We're not gonna play.

• 1:44:42Speaker 04

  We're not gonna play you on country.

• 1:44:44Speaker 01

  They're so brutal to women.

• 1:44:45Speaker 04

  And I was just like, oh, well, I'm not gonna, if somebody told me to never sing country music because I'm pop, I would never do that either. I was like, I'm never gonna just like, like, I don't want to be limited. That's boring. We get one life. Like, I want to do whatever I want to do.

• 1:44:58Speaker 01

  In the words of Miley Cyrus, you can't be tamed.

• 1:45:01Speaker 04

  Can't be tamed.

• 1:45:02Speaker 02

  Can't be tamed.

• 1:45:02Speaker 04

  She has a new song.

• 1:45:04Speaker 01

  She's got a whole album.

• 1:45:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:45:05Speaker 01

  The bass persuades.

• 1:45:06Speaker 04

  I have only heard the one song. Is it all out yet? Or did you get it?

• 1:45:09Speaker 01

  The kids don't want to dance. The kids don't want to dance.

• 1:45:12Speaker 04

  I like it.

• 1:45:12Speaker 02

  It's gonna, I think, I think it's coming out soon. Like, this could be,

• 1:45:14Speaker 01

  No, no, the album is out.

• 1:45:15Speaker 02

  Oh, it's out?

• 1:45:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:16Speaker 04

  Are y'all seeing any live shows? I'm seeing Ray Lomontain and Harry Styles coming up.

• 1:45:19Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 1:45:21Speaker 04

  You did?

• 1:45:21Speaker 01

  So good.

• 1:45:22Speaker 04

  I'm going in.

• 1:45:23Speaker 01

  He is so, you just watch him and you're like,

• 1:45:25Speaker 04

  I love him.

• 1:45:26Speaker 01

  You just sit there and wave. You know what I just saw that you would have, you would have loved and you would have loved? The Daisy Chain Fields Festival that Olivia Rodrigo did.

• 1:45:34Speaker 04

  No, I didn't know about that.

• 1:45:35Speaker 01

  It was like Lilith Ver came back.

• 1:45:36Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:45:37Speaker 01

  So she did a whole festival. She programmed a whole festival. She had Dochi, Chapel Rohn, um, that Olivia came out and she brought out Sarah McLachlan.

• 1:45:45Speaker 02

  And Alanis Morissette.

• 1:45:46Speaker 01

  They, Alanis Morissette and Stevie Nicks.

• 1:45:49Speaker 04

  Well, she was like, I'm just gonna bring out every goddess that's ever,

• 1:45:53Speaker 01

  She's unbelievable.

• 1:45:54Speaker 04

  Influenced us, yeah.

• 1:45:55Speaker 01

  Have you listened to her album? You seem pretty sad for a girl so in love.

• 1:45:58Speaker 04

  Are you talking about Olivia's? Oh, yeah. I know. I like my, uh, but actually both my kids, not just my daughter. Yeah, my kids and I love her. Yeah.

• 1:46:06Speaker 01

  She's,

• 1:46:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:46:08Speaker 02

  Fabulous album.

• 1:46:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. They're showing us that you have to go. So we love you. We thank you so much for coming.

• 1:46:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, I love it. This is my one day I'm working.

• 1:46:17Speaker 02

  Fabulous.

• 1:46:18Speaker 04

  It's my one day they got me in hair and makeup.

• 1:46:19Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, it was fun.

• 1:46:21Speaker 04

  I know. I could talk to y'all forever. I love it. Thank you for having me.

• 1:46:22Speaker 01

  Well, you always welcome back. And you, honestly, that, that mug.

• 1:46:26Speaker 04

  All my, I drank, here it is.

• 1:46:28Speaker 01

  Yes! Okay, so, um, Watch The Voice.

• 1:46:32Speaker 04

  Where is it? The Voice, season 30.

• 1:46:34Speaker 02

  Season 30.

• 1:46:35Speaker 01

  Season 30, babe. Oh, my God.

• 1:46:37Speaker 04

  I hope I'm not the fastest.

• 1:46:39Speaker 02

  You're better.

• 1:46:39Speaker 04

  My team is good, so.

• 1:46:41Speaker 01

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  I love her.

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  I know, she's,

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  She's the best.

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  She's such an incredible singer that people don't realize.

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  I'm an actor and rapper, like, all the things.

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  She said hi to you at Thanksgiving, right?

• 1:46:53Speaker 01

  What?

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  She was at, she was at Thanksgiving, Queen Latifah.

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  Latifah?

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  At, at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade.

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  Oh, I don't know that she said hi to me.

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  Didn't I have? What? It was like, that's something you would remember.

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  Of course. Latifah, just call her Dana.

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  Um, okay, well, in honor of her,

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  In honor of her, we end every episode with a song. Oh, my God. When you're good to mama. Mama's good to you.

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  Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive produced by Anna Hosni and produced by Becca Ramos. Edited by Hot Dog Sandwich. And our music is by Henry Kupersky.

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