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1:20 Speaker 02 We did, we were doing a cold open, but we weren't recording. We were talking about Bond again.
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2:15 Speaker 04 It's a, it's a real alliance of people who can't be bothered to do anything.
2:19 Speaker 02 When we say we research things, we look in our brains to sort of come up with something that we think might sound true. But that's the segment that we're calling fact check. I believe it was Holly last week with a, with a great question.
2:30 Speaker 04 Absolutely good question.
2:31 Speaker 02 It was break a leg. Did the same break a leg come from a bloke?
2:36 Speaker 04 It was a lucky guy.
2:37 Speaker 02 A lucky bloke that broke his leg.
2:40 Speaker 04 Lawrence Luck.
2:40 Speaker 02 Lawrence Luck.
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2:41 Speaker 02 Well, that's what brings us on to this episode.
2:43 Speaker 04 And that's we're gonna be.
2:44 Speaker 02 So Lawrence Luck, funny name.
2:45 Speaker 04 Funny, yeah, funny name.
2:47 Speaker 02 So we thought we'd do facts about names this week.
2:50 Speaker 04 We're gonna do some other funny names.
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3:08 Speaker 04 I think we're.
3:09 Speaker 02 I think that's the, is that not like the, a, a signal of stupidity?
3:14 Speaker 04 Um.
3:15 Speaker 02 If you say erm.
3:15 Speaker 04 Well, I say it all the fucking time. So I'm fucked. It's a thinking time. Well, yeah, so yes, yes. So to reassure you, well, how, how could it be? Because I say it all the time. So.
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4:03 Speaker 02 We've got some housekeeping.
4:05 Speaker 04 Great.
4:05 Speaker 02 You guys have been using our email and our socials and whatnot to message us. I've got a, um, I've got a message here from someone called Brad. Oh, Giles Corey, yes.
4:17 Speaker 04 This is great.
4:18 Speaker 02 I saw, I saw the comments about this as well.
4:20 Speaker 04 Yeah.
4:22 Speaker 02 So Brad says, just listen to the new episode and you can imagine my surprise when you mention someone I know is from my family tree.
4:29 Speaker 04 Unbelievable.
4:30 Speaker 02 Whoa. This has gone even more exciting than I thought it was gonna be.
4:33 Speaker 04 We've stumbled upon something by, completely by accident.
4:36 Speaker 02 Yeah.
4:37 Speaker 04 Something genuinely interesting.
4:38 Speaker 03 Do you want to just give context to the Giles Corey story, just in case anyone's forgotten?
4:41 Speaker 02 Now, I can't remember the Giles Corey story, but I, but was he crushed by a rock?
4:46 Speaker 03 Well, so.
4:47 Speaker 04 Absolutely not.
4:48 Speaker 02 No, oh, okay.
4:50 Speaker 04 Totally different story.
4:52 Speaker 03 Oh, is it?
4:52 Speaker 02 Is it?
4:53 Speaker 04 Was he crushed by a rock?
4:54 Speaker 03 Well, so you told a ghost story for our Halloween episode.
4:58 Speaker 02 Yes, he was.
4:58 Speaker 03 About Giles Corey.
4:59 Speaker 02 He, and this was the thing, right?
5:01 Speaker 04 His wife was accused of witchcraft.
5:03 Speaker 02 But there was also a few men that were accused of witchcraft.
5:05 Speaker 04 Right.
5:06 Speaker 02 Right, and, and, but the men got accused of witchcraft if they stood up for their wives, pretty much.
5:12 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
5:13 Speaker 02 And they were like, well, you're a witch too.
5:14 Speaker 03 Classic.
5:14 Speaker 02 So you could never win, you could never ever win.
5:16 Speaker 04 Yeah.
5:16 Speaker 02 But I think, um, I had a, I was looking at the comments and a lot of people were like, oh, by the way, Charles, you missed out the best part of the Charles Corey story. Giles Corey story, um, which is that he was crushed by a rock.
5:29 Speaker 04 Oh, right. So this is embarrassing because I should have read the comments and then I would know that he was crushed by a rock.
5:34 Speaker 02 Don't you, I don't want you reading the comments.
5:38 Speaker 04 I don't know whether you know this about me, but things can get in my head.
5:40 Speaker 02 I do know that about you.
5:42 Speaker 04 Okay.
5:42 Speaker 02 And the comments are the last thing you should be reading.
5:44 Speaker 04 Yeah.
5:44 Speaker 02 I'm, I've got my eye on the comments, don't worry about it. And to be fair, they're all, um, they're all, anything that criticizes us are all true.
5:52 Speaker 04 No, I know, honestly, I've, I've, I've, I've been pointed in the direction of some of the comments and they're actually, they're all fair.
5:59 Speaker 02 Like, they're not like mental.
6:01 Speaker 04 Yeah.
6:01 Speaker 02 They're all, they're all super reasonable.
6:03 Speaker 04 And they're tweaks. I feel like I was saying yeah too much. I've tried to cut down.
6:07 Speaker 02 There we go.
6:08 Speaker 04 Uh, and, um.
6:09 Speaker 02 But we need to get.
6:09 Speaker 04 The shoes are new.
6:10 Speaker 02 Yeah, we need to get back to Giles Corey.
6:12 Speaker 04 Yes.
6:13 Speaker 02 Um, just listen to the new episode. This is from Brad. And you can imagine my surprise when you mention someone I know is from my family tree. My granddad's sister looked into our family tree a couple of years ago. And this is when we all first heard of Giles Corey. After he didn't enter a plea, he was killed by the courts. Yeah, his chosen form of punishment was to be crushed to death. There's a specific name for this method, uh, which I'm not too sure of, but basically you are placed on the ground. A wooden board is put on top of you and then rocks are added on top until you eventually die.
6:48 Speaker 04 When they say his chosen, they they must mean it it was chosen for him.
6:53 Speaker 02 No, no, no, no. You were allowed to choo- you, I think you're still allowed to choo- I think in America and stuff like that.
6:57 Speaker 04 Why the fuck would you choose that?
7:00 Speaker 02 I think in America, you're you're uh in maybe certain states or something, whether they allow it or not. You know, because some states are like, we only do lethal lethal injection, whatever. Wherever if you're if you're in a state where it's like, well, we do this, this or this.
7:15 Speaker 04 Yeah.
7:16 Speaker 02 I think the person is allowed to go, I'll take sh- I'll take shooting by firing squad. I think there is like a few, a couple of states in America.
7:23 Speaker 04 No, I mean, I don't doubt that you're perhaps allowed to choose. It's just, I mean, without being crass, what were the other fucking options if he's choosing this? I mean, this sounds like a horrible way to be killed.
7:34 Speaker 02 Yeah.
7:35 Speaker 04 Well, I think it's, I mean, I don't, yeah, I don't think we should be executing people anyway, frankly, but um, I think it's a fucking barbaric thing to do, but um, on you go, America. Well done.
7:46 Speaker 02 I don't know. If someone's really, if someone's a proper.
7:48 Speaker 04 Oh, if they're really horrible though, yeah. Oh, no, if they're really horrible, yeah. No, good point.
7:51 Speaker 02 If they're a real wrong'un, Joe.
7:52 Speaker 04 Yeah, no, no.
7:53 Speaker 02 And there's a hundred percent.
7:54 Speaker 04 Yeah, no, if they're really nasty, then that.
7:56 Speaker 02 Hundred percent, um, like, you know, proof.
7:59 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. And that's the thing about principles. You know something's a principle when it breaks down in extreme examples. That's that's how you know you've got a principle.
8:06 Speaker 02 Nah, there is a really.
8:08 Speaker 04 Well, you really want to do it, though. Oh, yeah, no, not then.
8:11 Speaker 02 There there is a really funny thing in Brass Eye.
8:13 Speaker 04 Yeah.
8:13 Speaker 02 Where, um, do you know Brass Eye lately? I've seen Brass Eye, yeah. And uh, it's a Roman reporter, it's a woman reporting on like, just, um, like dickhead young men.
8:27 Speaker 04 Oh yeah, I remember that.
8:28 Speaker 02 They go to ball stores.
8:29 Speaker 04 And she goes into a prison. And then she's talking to him, she's going, so do you feel bet- do you, uh, what was he saying? Where have you been? And I was actually, they, oh god, you do it.
8:38 Speaker 02 Yeah. But there is a little bit, there is a little bit of, I can't remember what it is exactly, but there is a bit like, I'd like to escape up her hole, get out. There's a bit, there's a bit of that.
8:48 Speaker 04 Oh yeah, and then she's asking questions and she's saying, um, and, um, where do you think, where do you think the motivation came for you to commit your crimes? And then he goes, up your arse.
8:56 Speaker 02 Up your arse, yeah, right? And then at the end of her report, she goes, at the end of the day, would anyone care if these guys are dead?
9:06 Speaker 04 Yeah, it's, it's that, isn't it? It's like, I've, um, yeah, I've also, I watch quite a lot of, um, like true crime documentaries and quite often the prosecution in court cases is like, this person used to be alive and now look dead. And you're like, no, no, the, the, the defence aren't arguing that it's good that they're dead.
9:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
9:27 Speaker 04 They're arguing that that person didn't do it. They're not saying, oh, they deserved, like, but they always start, they always start with, I look here.
9:34 Speaker 02 It's very.
9:34 Speaker 04 A living person and now look.
9:36 Speaker 02 Isn't it? It's always very evocative.
9:38 Speaker 04 Yeah.
9:38 Speaker 02 You've got, you've got to sway the jury.
9:40 Speaker 04 It's always like, the defence would have you believe that it's good this person was murdered. No, that's not the defence. No, that's not the defence, it's that this person didn't do it.
9:45 Speaker 02 I tell you what, right, if I get done, if I, if I get arrested for something and the jury is 12 men between the ages of 13 and,
9:58 Speaker 02 and 21.
9:59 Speaker 04 Yeah.
10:00 Speaker 02 I think I'd get away with it.
10:01 Speaker 04 You'll be fine. You can just be like, don't.
10:02 Speaker 02 I'm sorry, Jay.
10:03 Speaker 04 Come on, guys, don't be jury wankers. They're going, oh.
10:07 Speaker 02 Jinky Jay, don't.
10:08 Speaker 04 Yeah, I know.
10:09 Speaker 02 They'll be like, oh, um, but didn't you, we found you stood over the body saying, oh god, I've killed her, oh no, I don't know why it's her.
10:18 Speaker 03 Statistically.
10:19 Speaker 04 Yeah, in this case it happens to be a woman, but.
10:23 Speaker 03 Or him.
10:23 Speaker 04 Or him, could be a man.
10:26 Speaker 02 But I think if it was a jury of 13 year old boys, I think I'd get away with it.
10:29 Speaker 04 Yeah, you'd be all right.
10:30 Speaker 02 I think they'd go, ah, let him off. He's a laugh, isn't he? He's a legend. He's a fucking legend, that guy.
10:35 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, no.
10:37 Speaker 02 Anyway, what is Brad saying here? So, yeah, he chosen, um, his chosen form of punishment was to be crushed to death. Where you have, like, I thought it was just a great big rock, like a sort of Stonehenge type rock. That you just drop on someone, but apparently it's a wooden board and then you add rocks.
10:55 Speaker 04 Yeah, I mean.
10:55 Speaker 02 Until you slowly crush to death. Um, he says, yeah, our family name also changed at some point from Corey with an E. To Corey with a Y. Um, that doesn't make it better, Brad. Unfortunately for you, Corey is still slang for cock.
11:11 Speaker 04 Is it?
11:12 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is.
11:14 Speaker 04 Well, also, um, you know, I'm playing with fire. John Thomas.
11:18 Speaker 02 Absolutely, absolutely.
11:20 Speaker 04 Do you know what I mean?
11:22 Speaker 02 Wait for that. Wait for my facts, Joe. Uh, it's pronounced the same, just without the E. And I wonder if it's because of this. Oh, right. Because of the shame. Because of the shame. They changed their name from Corey to Corey.
11:35 Speaker 02 And then Brad says, big fan of the podcast.
11:37 Speaker 04 They're mildly embarrassed.
11:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
11:40 Speaker 02 Big fan of the podcast. Thought you might be interested in hearing this. Yeah, no, Brad, I was. You were one of the many people. I mean, I don't think anyone else was related to the person. Um, but you were one of the many people that did mention that somehow I'd managed to, he didn't tell me that when I was looking this stuff up. I wanted to find a true Halloween story. I didn't want it to be like, and then the ghost disappeared, like, sort of like, oh, they were driving down the street, but they picked up a hitchhiker, but there was actually a ghost. I wanted it to be like a true Halloween story.
12:10 Speaker 04 Yeah.
12:10 Speaker 02 Um.
12:11 Speaker 04 Well, this is, I mean, look, we've, we've got, we've got to the. It's fine. I don't, listen, it's not, the criticism come from me.
12:19 Speaker 02 I just know if I was listening to this, I'd be like, stop, like, I'm try, I am trying to enjoy this. Every now and again, Joe and James does say something slightly funny and I'd like to listen to it, but it's been spoilt with all of James's mumbling and ums.
12:32 Speaker 04 I'm really concentrating now to not say yeah as much and to not interrupt. And I have to admit, that last introduction I did with the brass, I think, that was a terrible interruption and that did, because I, I hadn't got it ready.
12:43 Speaker 02 No.
12:44 Speaker 04 And I think that's undone all the good work I've done up till this point. Someone like a kid, well, you've been doing so well, you've been doing so well, you've been on time.
12:52 Speaker 02 It's George Costanza.
12:53 Speaker 04 Yeah.
12:53 Speaker 02 There's an episode where George Costanza, he's in a meeting at work. He says something really funny and they're all going, oh, that's brilliant, George. And then he says something else and they're like, oh, can we get on with work now? And so he decides to start living his life, where every time he says something funny, he just walks out the room.
13:09 Speaker 04 That's great.
13:10 Speaker 02 Thank you, I'm off, thank you very much. Then what, then what ends up happening is his boss gets rid of everyone else and just has George for these meetings and he's just like, I don't know what it is about you, George, but you've just been so on lately.
13:24 Speaker 02 I just, you've just, you, you just left me wanting more.
13:29 Speaker 04 Oh, it's so good. Oh, that's, I mean, that's it. You've got to, you've got to get out while you're on top.
13:36 Speaker 02 Live people wanting, leave people wanting more and that's not what you're gonna get with Joe and James.
13:41 Speaker 04 The opposite of that.
13:41 Speaker 02 Joe, um, thank you very much for that, Brad.
13:44 Speaker 04 That's brilliant, Brad. I mean, I really, it's all horrifying as well. I mean, that sounds like a terrible pun. I mean, this, Giles Corey sounds like a very brave man. If I, he sounds like he was standing up for his wife, got horribly killed.
13:58 Speaker 02 He literally did the opposite of bros before hoes.
14:00 Speaker 04 Yeah.
14:01 Speaker 02 He went hoes before bros.
14:02 Speaker 04 Yeah, and, and it happened.
14:04 Speaker 02 That's amicable.
14:05 Speaker 04 Yeah, absolutely.
14:06 Speaker 02 More like.
14:07 Speaker 04 Yeah.
14:07 Speaker 02 Is that a T-shirt? Hoes before bros? Lily Way?
14:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:11 Speaker 04 Yeah.
14:12 Speaker 03 I, I love the Corey story or something like that, I don't know.
14:15 Speaker 04 I love, oh, I love the Corey story. That's good as well. Well, um, brilliant. Absolutely love that.
14:22 Speaker 02 Thanks, Joe.
14:22 Speaker 04 Love it.
14:23 Speaker 02 Hey, listen, Joe.
14:24 Speaker 04 You're welcome, you're welcome.
14:26 Speaker 02 Joe, to rescue this podcast, I believe you've got a fact for us.
14:31 Speaker 04 Yes.
14:31 Speaker 02 Now, we did, um, Just after the podcast that we did last.
14:36 Speaker 04 Yeah.
14:37 Speaker 02 I mean, let's not fuck around. It was just minutes ago for us.
14:40 Speaker 04 Yeah.
14:41 Speaker 02 Cause we've recorded a couple in the same day. That's fine, isn't it? We're allowed to say that.
14:46 Speaker 02 But we were talking about the name Lawrence.
14:48 Speaker 04 Lawrence Luck.
14:49 Speaker 02 Lawrence Luck. And you were saying, oh, can we do a thing about names this week?
14:53 Speaker 04 Well, yeah, cause I think like, um, funny names.
14:57 Speaker 02 Yeah.
14:58 Speaker 04 Are something that bring a lot of pleasure to me and my brothers. We love to, um, sort of put funny names back and forth. Um, this isn't the fact, but a good one, 19th century bloke in America. What was his name? Preserved Fish. That was his name. And that is, I think, preserved comes from, I imagine it's an evangelical name, as in like, it's like being called like saved or something. It's to do with God.
15:28 Speaker 02 Yeah.
15:29 Speaker 04 But if your surname's Fish, no adjectives.
15:33 Speaker 02 Yeah.
15:33 Speaker 04 I think has to be the rule. You've just, you can't put something in front of Fish.
15:37 Speaker 02 No.
15:37 Speaker 04 You've got to be careful with Fish.
15:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
15:39 Speaker 04 Fish is going to get you in trouble. Like, anything with Fish, you need to keep a really straight bat, I think, in the first, the first time around.
15:46 Speaker 02 There's two people in history, I think it's British history. Now, I don't know what part, I think it might have something to do with the South Sea Bubble or something like that. Or it might be something else. But in British history, there was a father and a son where their names were absolutely insane, where it was sort of like, um, Bartholomew, if the Lord loves me, or if I then strike me down now, Johnson. Like, there's like, so like. They, they, you know, like nowadays where it's like, if some, if one of your mates or something has a baby and it, and it's a sort of obscure name. And it's like, oh, they're just trying to be trendy and.
16:29 Speaker 04 They didn't give a fuck back in the day.
16:30 Speaker 02 They did not. I mean, yeah.
16:32 Speaker 04 Late night.
16:32 Speaker 02 Preserved Fish.
16:33 Speaker 04 Like late 19th century as well, are absolute.
16:35 Speaker 02 Yeah.
16:36 Speaker 04 Bananas, like all sorts of stuff coming in.
16:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
16:38 Speaker 04 Stuff that's just like.
16:41 Speaker 02 I think I've taken over the yeah thing. I think it's, I think it's contagious.
16:44 Speaker 04 Anyway, so, so preserved fish. But then, um, this is the fact I've got for you. In Peru, there's quite a lot of people with the name Made in User. It's a condensing of Made in USA.
17:01 Speaker 02 Yeah.
17:02 Speaker 04 Because stuff would arrive and it would say Made in USA.
17:06 Speaker 02 Right.
17:06 Speaker 04 And they'd be like, well, that's a good name. And so quite a lot of people called Made in USA, Made in User.
17:12 Speaker 02 Made in USA.
17:13 Speaker 04 Yeah. Also, also from Latin America, including Peru. Also, U- USA Navy. From US, US Navy. So U- Uso- Usanavi, I guess.
17:26 Speaker 02 Yeah.
17:27 Speaker 04 Uh, John F. Kennedy. Uh, and all one word, Marlon Brando.
17:35 Speaker 02 Marlon Brando?
17:36 Speaker 04 Marlon Brando. So, yeah, that's, uh.
17:40 Speaker 02 I tell you what, man. Michael Jackson.
17:42 Speaker 03 Michael Jackson as well.
17:43 Speaker 04 Michael Jackson. Oh, they're all, okay. Yeah.
17:46 Speaker 03 As a first as a whole name.
17:48 Speaker 04 Yeah.
17:48 Speaker 02 America.
17:49 Speaker 04 Any kind of symbol of America.
17:50 Speaker 02 I need to, I need to get in touch with whoever A- America's PR is.
17:55 Speaker 04 Hmm.
17:55 Speaker 02 Cause they, they are so great at marketing, aren't they?
17:59 Speaker 04 They're unbelievable.
17:59 Speaker 02 So great at marketing.
18:00 Speaker 04 You see.
18:00 Speaker 02 It reminds me of, um, when, I think it's the Godfather, I think it's the first Godfather. Where, uh, Mi- where Michael ends up going to Italy for a bit, cause he just shot that police officer.
18:11 Speaker 04 Yeah.
18:11 Speaker 02 The police captain, right?
18:13 Speaker 04 Yeah.
18:13 Speaker 02 And, um, there's American soldiers still in Italy at this point. And Michael's with two sort of Italian minders.
18:21 Speaker 04 Yeah.
18:21 Speaker 02 And Italian boys going.
18:24 Speaker 02 American GI, American GI, take me to America, Clark Gable.
18:28 Speaker 04 Clark Gable, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. It's, uh, but they've got incredible PR.
18:33 Speaker 02 They've got, yeah, like a stop sign.
18:35 Speaker 04 Yeah.
18:36 Speaker 02 Like a stop sign is like, is like a, is like a brand almost. They're so good at sort of.
18:40 Speaker 04 Why is anyone wandering around another country wearing a United States flag on their clothing? You wanna be like, what are you doing?
18:48 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
18:48 Speaker 04 Genuinely, what are you doing?
18:49 Speaker 02 Yeah.
18:50 Speaker 03 Something I would think would be a good question for you to ask one of the is what sort of US celebrity or symbol would you like is your surname? I think that could be quite fun to chat about.
18:59 Speaker 04 Okay.
19:00 Speaker 02 What would my?
19:01 Speaker 04 Well, yeah, so. I have a question for you. What celebrity?
19:04 Speaker 03 No, no, no, no, you ask, you ask.
19:07 Speaker 04 Oh, sorry.
19:07 Speaker 03 I asked it in a boring way.
19:09 Speaker 04 I wasn't trying to, uh.
19:09 Speaker 02 No, but you, people like you involved.
19:12 Speaker 04 And this is great stuff. And then they'll be like, oh, look at that.
19:15 Speaker 02 Right.
19:15 Speaker 04 Look what the man did.
19:17 Speaker 02 For the edit.
19:17 Speaker 04 She said that.
19:18 Speaker 02 Lily May's doing an incredible job as a producer.
19:21 Speaker 04 I genuinely thought you meant you were feeding me a line.
19:23 Speaker 03 No, that is what I do.
19:24 Speaker 02 That is what Lily May is doing.
19:25 Speaker 04 Yeah, fine.
19:26 Speaker 02 But my argument is, is that she should be included in the, in the podcast.
19:29 Speaker 04 Well, I agree.
19:29 Speaker 02 And people like your voice.
19:31 Speaker 04 I've been saying that. I'm always saying stuff like that.
19:34 Speaker 03 God.
19:35 Speaker 04 I love all that stuff. Can't get, can't get me on that.
19:39 Speaker 02 But what, but what is?
19:40 Speaker 04 I've been saying that for years.
19:41 Speaker 03 I didn't deliver it.
19:42 Speaker 04 No, no, I, I just, no, I've.
19:43 Speaker 02 But also explain it better to me, because I'm an idiot.
19:46 Speaker 03 Fine.
19:46 Speaker 04 I'm just fucking panicking now. I'm hitting my mic with my.
19:50 Speaker 03 It's okay. It's a safe space.
19:52 Speaker 02 What do you, what do you need us to, what, what, what would you like us to discuss, Lily May?
19:56 Speaker 03 I thought it would be an interesting question. So what would you change your surname to if you had to have an American icon or an American symbol as your surname, AKA?
20:07 Speaker 02 Liberty.
20:07 Speaker 03 Made in USA.
20:08 Speaker 02 Or something.
20:09 Speaker 03 Liberty?
20:10 Speaker 04 Um.
20:10 Speaker 02 James Liberty. Liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. I have spent, like, I've spent quite a bit of time in America.
20:17 Speaker 04 I'd be called, um, Joe, Capitol Records building.
20:19 Speaker 02 Joe Capitol Records building. I've spent a bit of time in America, not, obviously no, like, a, a percentage of my life that I've spent in America, maybe 2% or something like that.
20:30 Speaker 04 Yeah.
20:30 Speaker 02 But I've been there enough time where I, I can't, like, Pizza Pizza. I, I ju, like, they're, they're commercials of just the, the little Geico.
20:40 Speaker 04 Yeah.
20:41 Speaker 02 Um, lizard and stuff. Like, I've got all these references. They're so good at marketing America, honestly. I've not even been in America that long and I know the, um, who's that, who, who's the woman that does the, uh, insurance? She's, she's been doing these insurance adverts for years. Um, and she's like a big, she's like a famous star in America for, for just being in adverts.
21:03 Speaker 04 Yeah.
21:04 Speaker 02 Um.
21:04 Speaker 04 I, I don't know who that is. But I've said yes, that's good.
21:07 Speaker 02 But I just, I, I've just got all these American adverts in my consciousness all the time that I never see over here. Oh, um, you know, auto glass repair, auto glass replace?
21:18 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm.
21:19 Speaker 02 Right? They do that in America, but their company's called something different. I can't remember what it's called, but I'd, I'd see that advert and I'd go, it's auto glass repla- repla.
21:33 Speaker 02 And they'd go, what does replay mean?
21:35 Speaker 04 Yeah.
21:35 Speaker 02 And then I'd spit everywhere.
21:37 Speaker 04 That shows them, right? I bet they...
21:39 Speaker 02 Again, I've gone to a point where I don't know what point I'm trying to make.
21:42 Speaker 04 But the, the, the, it is interesting.
21:44 Speaker 02 This is your fault, Lily, mate. You should never get involved.
21:49 Speaker 04 Sorry, I shouldn't get involved.
21:50 Speaker 02 Right. You asked the simple question. What would we change our name to? And now we're in this, now we're in this situation.
21:57 Speaker 03 You're right, and I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, Sir James, liberty.
22:01 Speaker 02 Thank you. You're welcome. You're forgiven.
22:08 Speaker 03 We can move on to fact check if you want.
22:10 Speaker 04 I just went, I just went there. That's why I shouldn't get involved. And that's a quote from The Office, but I think, don't think anyone's gonna know that, so.
22:15 Speaker 02 Everyone will, everyone who's listened to this does know.
22:18 Speaker 04 Alright, fine. So I'm just genuinely paranoid now.
22:20 Speaker 02 No, don't be paranoid.
22:22 Speaker 04 Well, um, I haven't eaten anything today, that's the problem, apart from those two minstrels.
22:25 Speaker 03 Well, depending on how quick do we get through this, we've had time.
22:27 Speaker 04 Oh, okay, alright, fine. So, like, alright, so Willow, we've done, um...
22:31 Speaker 02 We're only on 22 minutes.
22:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, I know, but we've...
22:34 Speaker 04 No, but we wasted a lot of time at the beginning.
22:36 Speaker 03 Win the first half.
22:38 Speaker 02 This is the best, this is the best bit. This is the chunk of the bit.
22:40 Speaker 03 This is, this is good stuff. I'm not saying this is bad stuff, so let's crack on with the good stuff.
22:44 Speaker 04 So, yeah, right. We agree that America as an unbelievable PR agency.
22:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, they're brilliant.
22:53 Speaker 04 To the extent that anything, anything American...
22:55 Speaker 02 Everything's iconic.
22:57 Speaker 04 Just like the names of places.
22:59 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
23:01 Speaker 04 The names of roads.
23:02 Speaker 02 Yeah.
23:03 Speaker 04 Become li- literally lyrical, as in are like, they're...
23:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
23:07 Speaker 04 So many American songs, they're like, talking about places in America, roads that you're on.
23:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
23:13 Speaker 04 American cars.
23:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
23:14 Speaker 04 You couldn't do any of that in Britain.
23:16 Speaker 02 No, of course not.
23:16 Speaker 04 You couldn't be like, I was driving to Luton in a Vauxhall.
23:18 Speaker 02 Yeah.
23:19 Speaker 04 Like, it just, it just doesn't mean anything. Whereas it, it doesn't mean anything in America either, but it sounds like it does.
23:27 Speaker 02 Anyway, Joe.
23:28 Speaker 04 Yeah, let's go.
23:28 Speaker 02 Joe, let's move on to fact check. We've got, we've got to move on to fact check because this is, this is where, um, it'd be rude not to.
23:36 Speaker 04 It would be rude not to, and it would also be a significant
23:38 Speaker 02 Because I believe we've got
23:39 Speaker 04 deviation from the format.
23:40 Speaker 02 Exactly. I believe we've got a message from Amy.
23:43 Speaker 04 Okay.
23:43 Speaker 02 Um, this is, listen, by the way, if you didn't know, this is fact check. This is the point in the show where you, where we, we check a fact that you've sent in. Um, we confirm it or we poo poo it. Um, we'll be
23:57 Speaker 04 I've read this, this is definitely not true.
23:59 Speaker 02 Oh, hang on, you're spoiling it.
24:01 Speaker 04 All right, sorry.
24:02 Speaker 02 I don't think it's not, all right, sorry, sorry. Where's your showmanship?
24:05 Speaker 03 What the hell?
24:05 Speaker 02 I'm definitely the America of this, of this podcast and you are definitely the Britain.
24:10 Speaker 04 All right.
24:11 Speaker 02 Where it's just a no nonsense, no, not true. Whereas I wanna, I wanna put a bit of pizzazz on it. You know, maybe, maybe sex it up a little bit.
24:20 Speaker 04 All right.
24:21 Speaker 02 Um, we'll be reading a fact or a question that you'd like us to get to the bottom to. And if we're, uh, then we'll discuss it during the break and then we'll come back and let you know how true it feels to us. So before we go to the break, Joe, can you please give us this week's fact check? From, from Amy, right in Bournemouth?
24:39 Speaker 04 Okay. So yes, this week's fact check comes from Amy in Bournemouth. She said, "My husband came out with a blinder of a fact. The word fuck originated in medieval times when the king had to authorize couples to be able to do it. And it's an acronym and it stands for fornication under consent of the king." And Amy says, "That's lived rent free in my brain for years." Uh, and then signs off. I
25:12 Speaker 02 Hang on, no, we've, I've already got thoughts. Let's go to the break and, and, and we'll jump straight back into this.
25:18 Speaker 04 Yeah, well.
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27:13 Speaker 02 Right, Joe, Joseph Thomas is on Live and Breathe.
27:17 Speaker 04 Hmm.
27:17 Speaker 02 Amy, was it Amy?
27:19 Speaker 04 Yeah.
27:19 Speaker 02 Um. She wanted to know, oh dear. She wanted to know if the word fuck comes from medieval times when the king had to authorize couples to be able to, right. Also, first of all, the king's not turning up to-
27:31 Speaker 04 No, the king, the king had, the king had less power than he does now. I mean, the king was just some bloke in London.
27:37 Speaker 02 Do you know what, man?
27:38 Speaker 04 He had no me, no means of knowing what was going on, even like a couple of streets over.
27:42 Speaker 02 When you're in primary school and you learn about like the Tudors, for example, like the Tudor is such a big thing in primary school.
27:48 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
27:49 Speaker 02 And I, I'm more interested in-
27:50 Speaker 04 Speaking of PR, Henry VIII had fucking good PR, didn't he? Everyone's like, oh, he was a laugh, wasn't he? Oh, well, no, he's, he just kept fucking killing people. I mean, like-
27:57 Speaker 02 It depends where you are, where, like, in his early days, he was like-
28:00 Speaker 04 Yeah, he was a bit of a laugh and then he, yeah.
28:02 Speaker 02 And, yeah, up for a good time.
28:03 Speaker 04 Yeah.
28:04 Speaker 02 But then he got really bitter.
28:05 Speaker 04 Yeah.
28:05 Speaker 02 Because I think it was because his heroes, like the ba, like he, he, he loved like the Battle of Agincourt and stuff like that.
28:13 Speaker 04 He wanted to get-
28:14 Speaker 02 He, he really, really wanted to invade France.
28:16 Speaker 04 He wanted France back, didn't he?
28:17 Speaker 02 Um, but, but there was no real reason. That, and this is my point, like, when you, when you learn about Tudors and kings and queens and stuff in primary school, you just think there were these people that were just like, off with their head, like, just kill. But they were precarious, like, their position were always, they were always being contested. And if a load of like noblemen were like, nah, he's not doing it for me, um, let's get, let's get William the Bastard to come over and-
28:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
28:43 Speaker 02 Give Harold a good kicking or whatever. Like, that was always around the corner.
28:47 Speaker 04 And a lot of it is about whether you can tell a plausible story and get it to stick.
28:52 Speaker 02 So back to, um, what Amy, um, said about the, uh, about the, the fuck, the origin, the origins of the word fuck. They go back to medieval times when the king had to authorize couples to be able to do it. Um, and it's an acronym of Fornication Under Consent of the King. Now, obviously, the king's not turning up to every-
29:16 Speaker 04 No, it's, no.
29:16 Speaker 02 I do, I do think, and of course, I'm not a historian, Joe.
29:21 Speaker 04 Mm-hmm.
29:22 Speaker 02 Sorry about that. I know you're shocked.
29:24 Speaker 04 No, it's, no, well, it's-
29:25 Speaker 02 So my, uh, history references are things like Blackadder. Braveheart, things like that. Now, now there was a time when nobleman, again, I'm quite, um, I'm Braveheart is my, is my research here, where nobleman, um, Eva, like, got to, got to do the wife first.
29:47 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah, yeah, like, is, yeah, like, the land, Seniors, right to Seniors.
29:54 Speaker 02 The lord, the lord, the lord of the manor was like, well, congratulations on getting married, but it's my, what do they call it? Their right, their, their, but their lord's right, or it was, there, there was a name for it. Uh, Lily May, get on that for us. Um, and it was, uh.
30:09 Speaker 03 Ah, yeah, right to the lord.
30:11 Speaker 02 So there was that sort of, um, you know, the, the, the lord would, would be able to have sex first with the wife. I don't know if that was genuinely upheld.
30:21 Speaker 04 I don't think that's true.
30:21 Speaker 02 I think, I, I think sometimes things happen like twice and it's like, and then it goes down in history. Um, but that's fair enough for lords, right? The king.
30:31 Speaker 04 Yeah.
30:32 Speaker 02 The king's got to fucking now go all the way around
30:36 Speaker 02 the whole, all of the land before they're allowed to have it off.
30:40 Speaker 04 I think, I think, I think the thing here is that we, we imagine that kings, because they claimed divine right, and that's a huge claim.
30:51 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:52 Speaker 04 That because of that, they sort of had this kind of totalitarian power. But the point is you can't have, what you're talking about here is a kind of a king having an almost totalitarian reach, like being able to see into people's households.
31:03 Speaker 02 Yeah.
31:03 Speaker 04 And you can't even begin to think about that until at least the 20th century. Like, this, this is.
31:08 Speaker 02 Until they got those, um, the, the dildo tubes.
31:11 Speaker 04 That's why they got the dildo tubes.
31:12 Speaker 02 To get messages around extra quick.
31:14 Speaker 04 Yeah.
31:17 Speaker 04 That's, um, I mean, that's, that was the beginning of totalitarianism, was, was, was the, was, was the dildo tube. But I think, although the king might have, I mean, in, many people might never even have seen the king. I mean, it's not like you're gonna see him on television. He's some guy who might go around the country occasionally so that people can see him, like on a royal tour or something, but the actual, the real reach of.
31:44 Speaker 02 You just know it.
31:45 Speaker 04 You know, in gen- in general, laws are upheld by consent and the actual, the institutions of the state at this time would have been extremely small. People basically would have. Done what they wanted to a large extent, and unless stuff was brought to a court, and then there would have been a precedent set that then would have shifted behaviours again. But like, the idea that the the reach of the state, which is really what the king is, is very minimal this time.
32:09 Speaker 02 Like, the the immediate contact with your everyday person.
32:13 Speaker 04 Yeah.
32:13 Speaker 02 Like, even up until quite recently, like, a couple of hundred years, until they started really getting really good at portraits and stuff like that.
32:20 Speaker 04 Yeah.
32:21 Speaker 02 And no one's gonna have a portrait of Henry VIII in their house anyway.
32:24 Speaker 04 No.
32:25 Speaker 02 But it used to be like, oh, they'd have their face on a coin.
32:29 Speaker 04 Yeah.
32:30 Speaker 02 And they looked shit.
32:31 Speaker 04 Yeah.
32:32 Speaker 02 I could draw something better than that.
32:33 Speaker 04 Yeah. It's hard to get stuff onto a coin, isn't it?
32:36 Speaker 02 Well.
32:37 Speaker 04 Because you're working in metal, yeah. It's hard.
32:40 Speaker 02 I think like one of the oldest.
32:41 Speaker 04 If I was gonna draw a quick sketch, I wouldn't choose metal as a thing to do my sketch on.
32:45 Speaker 02 I think it's like Ethel the Unready or something like that. Like, the only reason why you think I'm gonna, you think I'm gonna make a fool of myself?
32:53 Speaker 04 No, no, no, no, no, I'm not. No, no, what I mean is, this is our, we like this stuff.
32:57 Speaker 02 No, but it was, I think the only reference we've got to his image is like a really shit drawing of a coin.
33:03 Speaker 04 Yeah, and you're like, that just looks like a person and not even very much like a person.
33:08 Speaker 02 If my kids drew that when they were like a toddler or something, I'd go, do you wanna fucking, do you wanna give it another go?
33:13 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
33:14 Speaker 02 That's not going on the fridge, mate.
33:15 Speaker 04 No.
33:16 Speaker 02 Not being funny.
33:16 Speaker 04 Let alone on the currency.
33:17 Speaker 02 Exactly.
33:18 Speaker 04 Yeah. But, um, so, so what we're saying here, this is a lovely idea, this is a re- and a great acronym, and.
33:27 Speaker 02 Right, I don't think.
33:28 Speaker 03 Our policy is the more interesting, the more true, is all I'm gonna say.
33:31 Speaker 02 I think it's too silly.
33:33 Speaker 03 Okay.
33:34 Speaker 02 I think it's too silly to be, to be interesting.
33:36 Speaker 03 Wow.
33:37 Speaker 02 I think it's too silly. It like, I don't think they had acronyms. And also medieval times, language was so different. It was, it, you know, it was still very much, I mean, it was still, like, a lot of it was still, like, English.
33:50 Speaker 04 You're right.
33:52 Speaker 02 A lot of it was still French.
33:53 Speaker 04 Yeah.
33:54 Speaker 02 English was um was peasants' language.
33:57 Speaker 04 Yeah.
33:58 Speaker 02 And English wasn't anything like how we speak now. It was still very much.
34:02 Speaker 04 Quite right.
34:03 Speaker 02 Sort of ang- the angles, the Saxons, Dutch, Northern German.
34:09 Speaker 04 That's right. And then the Normans obviously would would have uh French or.
34:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
34:14 Speaker 04 An earlier form of French, which would have been the language of the ruling class.
34:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
34:20 Speaker 04 And it's all gradually got jumbled up.
34:22 Speaker 02 I would say, I would say fuck i- is is.
34:27 Speaker 04 Well, I think we've got a split jury here because I think if if it's if it's interesting, it's true. I think it is interesting.
34:34 Speaker 02 I don't think it is.
34:35 Speaker 04 You're saying that's not interesting?
34:37 Speaker 02 No, I I I see, this is this is a new problem now that we've got. We didn't, we didn't consider this.
34:44 Speaker 04 Hmm.
34:44 Speaker 02 Because I think it's interesting if I think it's true. But I don't think this is true at all. So I don't, so yeah, I've I've. It's inception.
34:53 Speaker 03 Maybe it's just not grabbed you in the right way for it to feel interesting to be true.
34:57 Speaker 02 I just don't think, I don't think the word, I think the word fuck is either Central European, like you're nor- northern Ger-. Like you can always trace anything lan- language back to either France, Northern Germany, uh Denmark or Scandinavian.
35:13 Speaker 04 Hmm.
35:13 Speaker 02 I feel fuck might be Scandinavian.
35:16 Speaker 04 Right, right.
35:19 Speaker 02 It might be one of the Vikings.
35:20 Speaker 04 It sounds quite.
35:22 Speaker 02 There was, there was, there was Danish, but I feel like, I feel like it was nor- or Norse or.
35:30 Speaker 02 But are we split? Have I, is anything I've said just then? Because.
35:35 Speaker 04 No, well, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying it can't be, it can't be, can't be interesting because it's not true.
35:41 Speaker 02 I know.
35:41 Speaker 04 Also what we're saying is if it is interesting, it's true. So it is.
35:44 Speaker 02 But what I just said then.
35:45 Speaker 04 Or is it a paradox? Or are we actually just saying that we we like things to be true?
35:48 Speaker 02 But what I just said then, right?
35:50 Speaker 04 Yeah.
35:51 Speaker 02 All made up in my head.
35:52 Speaker 04 Yeah. Okay, so even again, you're, yeah.
35:56 Speaker 02 That's more interesting than, what I'm putting to you, Joe.
35:59 Speaker 04 Yeah.
35:59 Speaker 02 Is the, is that me talking about angles and Saxons and stuff, was that more interesting than the acronym?
36:07 Speaker 03 There's in, there's a, there's a level of plausibility that I'm hearing coming out. So plausibility is part of how.
36:13 Speaker 04 Yeah.
36:13 Speaker 03 Much it grabs you.
36:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
36:14 Speaker 04 Okay. All right. Look, I think it's.
36:20 Speaker 04 I don't think it's true. I don't think it's true and I don't think it's plausible.
36:23 Speaker 02 But you do think it's interesting.
36:24 Speaker 04 Nonetheless, I, I think it's, you know, I think it's a, I think it's a saucy little acronym. And I, I, and I feel that it's, you know, it's one that I, I could see myself using.
36:39 Speaker 02 Do you think they're talking about Elvis as well?
36:42 Speaker 04 Oh, Elvis? Yeah.
36:43 Speaker 02 Did Elvis have to be present?
36:44 Speaker 04 Elvis had to be there as well. Yeah.
36:46 Speaker 02 He's just going, "Oh, mama."
36:50 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah. I think it's-
36:52 Speaker 02 The king gives you, gives his concern, mama.
36:56 Speaker 02 And then he did a little karate chop.
36:58 Speaker 04 Well, I don't know how long Amy-
36:59 Speaker 02 Look out!
36:59 Speaker 04 I don't know how long Amy and her husband have been together, but it does come to a point where you need to, you know, spice things up a little bit. And maybe this is, I'm just saying this could be in the armoury.
37:08 Speaker 02 Yeah.
37:09 Speaker 04 And maybe it's like, oh, the king, the king doth decree, you know? Maybe he's got a little crown on and the robe, nothing else.
37:17 Speaker 02 Yeah.
37:18 Speaker 04 I could, what I'm saying is I think this is really a little insight into their sex life.
37:22 Speaker 02 Do you think the king did?
37:24 Speaker 04 And, and I say good luck to them.
37:25 Speaker 02 Do you think he has a scepter?
37:26 Speaker 04 Yeah, he's got a fucking scepter. He's definitely dressed up as a king.
37:30 Speaker 02 He's got a scepter.
37:30 Speaker 04 And she's knighted.
37:31 Speaker 02 He's got like, um, he's got like the, the classic, uh, I mean, I've, I've mentioned three times today already that Blackadder's my sort of-
37:41 Speaker 04 You know what? I, I, I, um-
37:43 Speaker 02 But he's got, he's got the robes of state on, you know, those sort of like fluffy-
37:49 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:49 Speaker 02 With the like velvet gown.
37:52 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:52 Speaker 02 But, wife fronts.
37:54 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:54 Speaker 02 Just the wife fronts, but nothing else.
37:56 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:56 Speaker 02 With a scepter.
37:57 Speaker 04 Yeah, that is, I think so. I think that's what he's got.
38:00 Speaker 02 Have we stumbled into Amy and her husband's little kinky sex game? Is that what's going on?
38:05 Speaker 04 Also, we have, and-
38:08 Speaker 02 Maybe we should say it's a fact then, if we wanna-
38:10 Speaker 04 Well, that's what I mean. That, that's sort of what I'm saying is I think this is, um, I think it's important to them.
38:15 Speaker 02 It's interesting enough for it to be a fact. Is that what you're saying?
38:18 Speaker 04 I'm saying it's true. I just, I think it's fun.
38:20 Speaker 02 Alright.
38:20 Speaker 04 I think it's-
38:22 Speaker 04 I think it's fun. Uh, I think it, I'm gonna say, I think it's sexy.
38:27 Speaker 02 Mm, I mean, I'm.
38:29 Speaker 04 I mean, sorry.
38:30 Speaker 02 I'm fully erect, just thinking, just thinking about the king.
38:34 Speaker 04 And I think.
38:35 Speaker 02 Just thinking about the king's consent. In fact, I'm gonna, when I get home tonight and I see Claire, I'm gonna go, do I get the king's consent tonight, baby?
38:46 Speaker 04 Uh, so, should be true.
38:48 Speaker 02 If it's not true, it should be. And that's a fact.
38:51 Speaker 04 It's true. I would say it's true.
38:52 Speaker 02 That's a fact. All right, we're gonna say it's a fact, but I don't think it is.
38:55 Speaker 04 I mean, there's not, yeah, so we need to go to Lily. May now for.
38:59 Speaker 03 The queen's consent.
39:00 Speaker 02 Let's get the queen's consent. That's gonna, that's gonna, that's gonna carry on.
39:07 Speaker 03 I'm more than happy to become the queen. Okay.
39:10 Speaker 04 What do you say, ma'am?
39:12 Speaker 03 Thank you.
39:14 Speaker 02 It's ma'am, actually. Ma'am as in jam and not ma'am as in.
39:16 Speaker 04 Oh, ma'am. Okay.
39:18 Speaker 03 I'll, I'll have both. That's absolutely fine.
39:20 Speaker 04 Sorry, ma'am.
39:21 Speaker 03 Okay, so the word fuck actually comes from Germanic origin. So, James, your plausibility was on the right path.
39:30 Speaker 02 To be fair, if you've got a super basic knowledge of history, that's always like, is, anything's, you could throw up anything. It's like, it's Germanic.
39:39 Speaker 03 Yeah.
39:39 Speaker 04 Yeah.
39:40 Speaker 03 But there's, um, there's a, so there's a few different languages, uh, German being one of them, that have words that are very similar to fuck that needs to breed or to copulate. So the German is ficken, Dutch is fokken, Swedish is fokka, and Norwegian is fokka.
39:56 Speaker 04 There you go.
39:57 Speaker 03 So there we go.
39:58 Speaker 04 All good stuff.
39:59 Speaker 02 It's a fact and also I was right.
40:02 Speaker 03 That's a double win.
40:03 Speaker 04 Double win. It's a double win.
40:05 Speaker 02 All right, goodnight. Thanks, guys.
40:07 Speaker 03 Leave him wanting more.
40:08 Speaker 02 Thanks, guys. Um, there you go. Can I, I'm so sorry, can I go for another piss?
40:14 Speaker 03 You're asking for the queen's consent.
40:15 Speaker 02 Can I?
40:18 Speaker 02 Does the queen give me permission to go to the toilet? And then I'll do my fact straight afterwards.
40:23 Speaker 04 Perfect. Yeah, that's all good. Absolutely.
40:27 Speaker 02 Right, Joe, strap yourself in, mate.
40:29 Speaker 04 Yeah.
40:30 Speaker 02 And everyone listening.
40:32 Speaker 04 For what?
40:33 Speaker 02 Because, as per Joe's request, that we do facts about names.
40:37 Speaker 04 Yeah.
40:39 Speaker 02 It's time for my fact.
40:41 Speaker 04 Right.
40:41 Speaker 02 With you, Joe. So I decided to look into the origins of the name Thomas.
40:47 Speaker 04 Oh!
40:49 Speaker 02 And it goes way back, mate. It goes so far. How far back do you think it goes?
40:55 Speaker 04 Thousand years.
40:57 Speaker 02 Keep going.
41:00 Speaker 04 Fifteen hundred.
41:01 Speaker 02 What if I said to the, the, the, what if I said this word to you? Aramaic.
41:06 Speaker 04 Whoa!
41:07 Speaker 02 Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, Aramaic.
41:08 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, it was, it was Aramaic.
41:10 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, it was Aramaic.
41:10 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:11 Speaker 02 That's far, isn't it?
41:12 Speaker 04 That is far, yeah.
41:14 Speaker 02 Is that the, is that the language Jesus spoke?
41:16 Speaker 04 I'm thinking like Indiana Jones when he heard Aramaic.
41:19 Speaker 02 Right.
41:19 Speaker 04 So that is a, that's, yeah, that's Old Testament.
41:21 Speaker 02 What's the language that Jesus spoke in Passion of the Christ? He was great in that.
41:26 Speaker 04 Jesus.
41:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, he was so good.
41:27 Speaker 04 Aye, good answer.
41:28 Speaker 03 Doesn't get enough credit for that.
41:29 Speaker 02 I've never seen it. I've never seen Passion of the Christ.
41:31 Speaker 04 No, I've, I've, I haven't seen it. Didn't he get the record number of complaints or something? This is just a preoccupation.
41:36 Speaker 02 Is that right?
41:36 Speaker 04 Yeah, because they implied that he had sex.
41:40 Speaker 02 Jesus?
41:40 Speaker 04 Yeah.
41:41 Speaker 02 Not on my watch.
41:42 Speaker 04 No. I think it was Passion of the Christ, anyway. But, um...
41:46 Speaker 02 No, that's the Scorsese film you're thinking of.
41:49 Speaker 04 Is it?
41:49 Speaker 02 Where, um, I think Scorsese did like this sort of, sort of De Niro version of Jesus.
41:56 Speaker 04 Right, okay.
41:57 Speaker 02 It was like Goodfellas, but Jesus. Again, I've not seen it.
42:00 Speaker 04 Yeah.
42:01 Speaker 02 But it's, uh...
42:01 Speaker 03 That sounds right.
42:02 Speaker 02 Yeah. But I'm sure just Scorsese did Jesus film.
42:06 Speaker 03 Well, I was gonna say, I've just looked up, um, Aramaic as the language in Passion of the Christ.
42:10 Speaker 02 Right, there we go.
42:11 Speaker 04 Aramaic. And Thomas goes back to that.
42:13 Speaker 02 Yeah, man.
42:14 Speaker 04 Because I thought it was a Welsh thing.
42:16 Speaker 02 Obviously, yeah. That's where I thought it would, we would end up.
42:19 Speaker 04 Yeah, but, but, um...
42:21 Speaker 02 I thought it was gonna be really cut and dry. It was like Welsh.
42:24 Speaker 04 Wales, like Cardiff.
42:26 Speaker 02 Wales, Wales, by the way, the word Wales, don't quote me on this.
42:32 Speaker 04 It's all right. No.
42:33 Speaker 02 I think means, um, when we're going back a few thousand years, I think it means...
42:41 Speaker 04 Does it mean something like villains or something?
42:43 Speaker 02 Something like that.
42:44 Speaker 04 I think it does, yeah.
42:45 Speaker 02 Or ba- barbaric people or something like that.
42:48 Speaker 04 I think you're right. It is like va- valets or something.
42:52 Speaker 02 Yeah.
42:53 Speaker 04 I think that is right. Yeah. So basically, so.
42:57 Speaker 02 Can you, can you just, um, what did, can you just look up for me quickly? What the, uh, the Romans called Wa- Wales? Cause I think it came from Roman times.
43:06 Speaker 03 Well, I did, did just look up one second. Let me, I'll see what Romans say. Um, so it has no direct Roman meaning, but it says the English name for Wales comes from old English word. I don't know how you'd say this, but it's, uh, W E A L A S and it means foreigners.
43:24 Speaker 02 Foreign, yeah, foreigners. No, but that is Roman. That is Roman. Because in Roman times, if you were foreign.
43:30 Speaker 04 Yeah.
43:30 Speaker 02 That was like awful.
43:31 Speaker 04 Yeah.
43:32 Speaker 02 That was like the worst thing to do. Like, so they hated like beer.
43:36 Speaker 04 Right.
43:36 Speaker 02 They absolutely hated beer. They loved wine because it was so refined and da, da. If you drank beer, you were a foreigner.
43:41 Speaker 04 Foreigner.
43:42 Speaker 02 Uh, but then it flipped because you had like the Germanic tribes and the barbarians or whatever, like. And they would, they'd love a beer and they'd love a fucking booze up and a ruck and stuff like that.
43:52 Speaker 04 Yeah.
43:52 Speaker 02 And they were like, oh, they're very effeminate, which sort of, uh, still relates today. Like if you, if you went to a pub with your mates and you went, oh, I'll have a little Chardonnay or something like that. Like my pals would be like, what the fuck are you doing?
44:05 Speaker 04 Get out.
44:06 Speaker 02 Yeah.
44:06 Speaker 04 Yeah. Get a pint or get out.
44:08 Speaker 02 Get out?
44:08 Speaker 04 Yeah.
44:09 Speaker 02 Either kiss me or get out.
44:10 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:13 Speaker 02 Even make love to me right now.
44:14 Speaker 04 Exactly, yeah.
44:17 Speaker 02 Right?
44:17 Speaker 04 Yeah.
44:18 Speaker 02 Um, but that's, that's still, like, you go back two thousand years and that, that was still the sort of, um, that, those preconceptions of like beer drinkers and wine drinkers. But then Romans were, did start to cotton on and be like.
44:31 Speaker 02 These people are really hard to fight and they're drinking beer all the time and maybe we should get into this a little bit.
44:37 Speaker 04 Yeah.
44:37 Speaker 02 Maybe we should, maybe we should toughen up.
44:40 Speaker 04 They'd got a bit too soft.
44:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
44:41 Speaker 04 In their, in their cities and.
44:43 Speaker 02 Yeah, that was it. Yeah. And all their order and the, the drainage.
44:47 Speaker 04 The dr- yeah, I know.
44:47 Speaker 02 You know?
44:48 Speaker 04 Yeah.
44:48 Speaker 02 Whereas we're just in there shitting in our pints and drinking.
44:52 Speaker 04 Well, exactly.
44:53 Speaker 02 But yeah, no, Thomas.
44:54 Speaker 04 You can see how that would play out.
44:55 Speaker 02 Thomas, Aramaic, mate.
44:57 Speaker 04 Aramaic?
44:58 Speaker 02 Yeah, like Greek, like Aramaic Greek, Thomas.
45:02 Speaker 04 Thomas.
45:03 Speaker 02 Was, um, transliterated, that's a new word for me.
45:06 Speaker 04 Yeah, transliterated.
45:08 Speaker 02 Um, into Greek. Uh, its meaning was twin.
45:12 Speaker 04 Twin?
45:13 Speaker 02 Twin. Um, the Romans, uh, and then went from Greek to Latin. The Romans adopted it as Thomas, which spread wise, uh, widely through the Christian world. Uh, you've got bib- biblical, um, uh, references to Thomas. The name came popular, popular due to Saint Thomas, the apostle, one of Jesus's twelve disciples.
45:33 Speaker 04 Yes. Well, it, it is, I believe it's doubting Thomas, isn't it?
45:36 Speaker 02 Doubting Thomas, yeah.
45:37 Speaker 04 He was the one who was like.
45:37 Speaker 02 For his skepticism about the re- resurrection. Yeah. He doubted him.
45:42 Speaker 04 Yeah, he did.
45:43 Speaker 02 So you'd think that name would have died out with like our, our crazy Christianity got like went in Europe.
45:48 Speaker 04 It's not as bad as Judas though, is it? It's like, he was just, he's just.
45:51 Speaker 02 My son's called Jude.
45:54 Speaker 04 That's all right.
45:55 Speaker 02 Is that okay?
45:55 Speaker 04 Yeah. No, yeah, no, it's, it's, it's, um, yeah, you, you, it's, that's fine.
46:01 Speaker 02 Um, but the name entered Western Europe through the Latin Bible and became common in many languages, English, French, Spanish, Tomas, Italian, Tomaso, of course.
46:12 Speaker 04 Yeah.
46:12 Speaker 02 That's not me, me being racist, by the way.
46:14 Speaker 04 No, no, it's just, that is just the, yeah, yeah.
46:16 Speaker 02 That's, um. If you put a vowel on the end of a, of a name, you, you immediately become Italian.
46:22 Speaker 04 Yeah.
46:23 Speaker 02 And then German, Thomas, all, apart from Spanish and Italian, all with the same spelling. Um, so in essence, Thomas means twin and its enduring popularity comes largely from its bi- biblical and Christian heritage.
46:35 Speaker 04 I really did not know that.
46:37 Speaker 02 And then it goes on to say, would you like me to include how the name's pronunciation or forms changed in different regions over time? I just copied and pasted from chat G P T.
46:44 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's, that, that's okay. That's, that, that's fine. Uh. But well, look, I've, um.
46:51 Speaker 02 But Tom.
46:51 Speaker 04 I thank you, thank you to ChatGPT and you could twin.
46:55 Speaker 02 But what's very interesting about the, about your name, Thomas, is that first of all, it has its, uh. Nowadays, I would, I would think of the Welsh.
47:06 Speaker 02 Like, like Tom, like it feels very Welsh.
47:09 Speaker 04 He's very Welsh.
47:10 Speaker 02 But it's also, uh, very English as well because obviously the, the, uh, when, when English people went to fight and stuff like that, they were called Tommies.
47:18 Speaker 04 Tommies, yes, you're right. Yeah.
47:20 Speaker 02 So it's sort of like a generic name for an English person.
47:23 Speaker 04 It is. It's very, it's very.
47:24 Speaker 02 Or a British person.
47:25 Speaker 04 It's a very UK name.
47:26 Speaker 02 Yeah.
47:26 Speaker 04 It's a very UK name.
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49:19 Speaker 04 I told you about my, I once had, I once had a therapist where I really did tell her about my dreams.
49:30 Speaker 02 Not the one about the octopus, was it?
49:31 Speaker 04 No, not the octopus one.
49:32 Speaker 02 Right, okay.
49:33 Speaker 04 I know, we've done dreams, but I had a, and.
49:35 Speaker 02 The philanthropon, yeah, sorry.
49:37 Speaker 04 And philanthroform, yeah.
49:38 Speaker 02 That was a word that you made up, right?
49:39 Speaker 04 I made it up, philanthroform, yeah. I made it up in my dream.
49:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
49:43 Speaker 04 I had this really nice therapist who, she literally did work with dreams. Like it was, I really would lie down and tell her about my dreams. And she was Italian and I was being completely honest about all my dreams, because you have to be totally honest. But, and all my dreams, they just kept being set in like, sort of like pasta restaurants.
50:05 Speaker 04 And I had to tell her and she was like, I think, she was like, it's funny, I think the Italian thing is it got in your head a little bit. I think it's bothering you. I was like, it's not bothering me. That's fine. I'm, I'm, I just have to tell you the truth.
50:18 Speaker 02 No, because you are so neurotic.
50:20 Speaker 04 But she was, but she was just, and I was just like, I think it was in that.
50:23 Speaker 02 She's nailed you, man. She's got, she's.
50:24 Speaker 04 She was, she was right.
50:25 Speaker 02 Absolutely like stuffed you up.
50:27 Speaker 04 She was like, it's got in your head. I was like, I know, but it's not my fault. I'm not, this isn't me. This is my dream.
50:32 Speaker 02 You are so neurotic that someone like a therapist has to be an Italian and then suddenly you're thrown. You're just sort of like, oh no.
50:39 Speaker 04 But then once, but every week I'd come in, I'd be like, oh, and I'd have it all written in my phone. I'd be like, I'm gonna have to tell about another fucking pizza area.
50:45 Speaker 02 Pasta again.
50:47 Speaker 04 It's like, I'm really sorry, I'm not meaning to, and I don't, I'm not reducing Italian culture to, to Italian food either. I'm just, it, it just kept happening. And it was really embarrassing. We couldn't get past it. And she was just like, I think it's, it's got in your head. It's, it's obviously worrying you a bit. I was like, it's not worrying me. I was like, no, it's not. But it must have been. It's awful. And then.
51:06 Speaker 02 It definitely was. I know exactly what you're like.
51:09 Speaker 04 It wasn't, I don't believe it was a, a, a, a bad, a malign prejudice. It was, I believe it was, if anything, perhaps a benign reductionism perhaps.
51:18 Speaker 02 Of all the people I know in my life, I know that you only ever come from a good place. You're, you are pure and honest.
51:25 Speaker 04 Yeah.
51:25 Speaker 02 And you're honest in your flaws as well. And I know for a fact that you met this therapist and went, oh, Italian. And then that thought went insane. Like it just was in your dreams.
51:39 Speaker 04 It took over everything.
51:43 Speaker 02 Even though I said a lot about your name there that was boring, I genuinely thought the most interesting in your name, it goes back to Aramaic.
51:50 Speaker 04 That is amazing. It's amazing.
51:53 Speaker 02 That's well old. Super old.
51:56 Speaker 04 It's really old and it genuinely news to me. So thank you for that fact.
52:01 Speaker 02 Almost as old as you. Right, Joe, we should wrap up before it gets any weirder. Because we've got another episode to record straight after this, which is gonna be, stay tuned for next episode.
52:12 Speaker 04 I'm being fucking out.
52:13 Speaker 02 Because I've got another beer.
52:14 Speaker 04 I felt like this one, there are bits, there are bits. So I was like, what the fuck are we doing here?
52:18 Speaker 02 Next episode, I'm gonna, I am just gonna be, just gonna be drunk. I am all fact out, Joe.
52:24 Speaker 04 I'm fact out.
52:25 Speaker 02 What have we learnt today? We have learnt that, what was your name, what was your name fact?
52:32 Speaker 04 That Madainusa is a name in Peru.
52:36 Speaker 02 Yeah, made in USA.
52:37 Speaker 04 It means made in USA.
52:38 Speaker 02 Absolutely brilliant. We've learnt that fornication under consent of the king is where, is what we're saying, is where the word fuck comes from. And we've also learnt that the name Thomas is so old that Jesus, I mean, yeah, I mean, yeah, he had a disciple, didn't he, called Thomas? I feel like an idiot now. Of course it was.
53:03 Speaker 04 Yeah, now you say it, but I wondered whether it-
53:06 Speaker 02 He had a mate called Thomas, Jesus. He was like-
53:08 Speaker 04 I assumed that they changed it when they brought out the King James Bible.
53:11 Speaker 02 That's it, yeah.
53:12 Speaker 04 They changed it from an older name and they were like-
53:14 Speaker 02 A lot of stuff gets translated, doesn't it?
53:16 Speaker 04 They do. I assumed it was like, when they did the new Bible, it was like, when they do like an American remake of something. And they're like, well, change the names and set it in downtown Manhattan.
53:25 Speaker 02 Its original form, if you're interested, Joe, is T, what's that thing?
53:32 Speaker 04 Tioma.
53:33 Speaker 02 Tioma, yeah.
53:33 Speaker 04 As in kind of, as in like Odotti or, yeah, yeah.
53:38 Speaker 02 Tomma.
53:38 Speaker 04 Tomma.
53:39 Speaker 02 Tioma.
53:39 Speaker 04 Tioma.
53:41 Speaker 02 There you go. There you go. We've learnt that Thomas is Aramaic. We do hope that you've learnt something as well. I mean, good luck. But we'll be back next week armed with more fact chats and swear-y twats. And don't forget, don't forget you can get in touch with us if you'd like us to fact check something.
54:01 Speaker 04 I feel like this is the worst one we've done.
54:03 Speaker 02 Yeah.
54:07 Speaker 02 I don't know what you want to move from me there.
54:09 Speaker 04 No, I know. I don't know. I just.
54:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, probably.
54:10 Speaker 02 If you don't forget that you can get into a recipe. I have to fact check something that feels true for you or whatever nonsense. Any, any message that you want to get to us, it doesn't have to be, it doesn't have to be a fact check thing. By the way, if you want to get us a message, if you've got something where you're like, give these two idiots like.
54:26 Speaker 04 Just something to fill up the fucking show. Honestly, like, because there are bits in that where I was like, I can't think of anything to say. Like, I literally can't think of anything to say.
54:33 Speaker 02 If you've got something like.
54:34 Speaker 04 We could do another one. We could do another one now.
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54:48 Speaker 02 Our WhatsApp is O seven. Eight two two zero three four three three zero. And our socials on TikTok and all that sort of stuff is joeandjamespod. At joe and james pod, I should say. Can we get rid of the at? Fucking, what's the point of the at? Maybe that's, maybe that's a fact from, do you know what? I did watch a fucking YouTube documentary. I've forgotten it now, but I watched the thing of the origins of the at.
55:13 Speaker 03 Wow.
55:13 Speaker 02 The, I think it's, I think, I think it's Latin at Turner. Uh, and anyway, well.
55:19 Speaker 04 It is interesting.
55:20 Speaker 02 That's, that's another episode. Um, guys, thank you for listening. We love you. We're sorry.
55:25 Speaker 04 Thank you. Sorry.
55:25 Speaker 02 That's an episode. Goodbye.
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