Be Careful Radio 2

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:04Speaker 02

  I believe last week you guys addressed a message about Ellie Brennan from Radio 2, giving some facts to Vernon on his show that were potentially inspired by our show. I know Ellie Brennan and I have messaged her to ask if this is true. And she's replied.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  And she's admitted it.

• 1:31Speaker 03

  Oh, but we were gonna come up with an elaborate scheme.

• 1:33Speaker 04

  So we don't need to... It's confession. Well, it's a dream in a way.

• 1:38Speaker 02

  She said...

• 1:39Speaker 03

  We're like the Inquisition.

• 1:40Speaker 02

  She said several people sent her the podcast as a potential resource for her facts. She said she's still working through her initial pool of facts, but when it dries up, she says she can't... She can't promise that facts won't be inspired by the show. She said, "A fax a fax, and if they want to send a doc of all the facts they've discussed so far, her DMs are open." And she says that she listens to the podcast when she's driving, so she can't write them down. And then she says, "Are we in a fact-off?" So I just thought I'd give this opportunity now for you to address it with Ellie. Any sort of response on the end.

• 2:15Speaker 03

  Well, I've folded straight away. I've done that thing where I've been like, "Yeah, let's fucking get her." And now that we've heard back from her, I'm like, "Oh no, it's fine. It's absolutely fine. Don't worry about it." I mean, I didn't make up our facts. I only got... I get my facts from Simon Whistler off of YouTube.

• 2:37Speaker 04

  And I mean, at first I'd add to that that like,

• 2:41Speaker 04

  what we're in the business of...

• 2:44Speaker 03

  Go on.

• 2:45Speaker 04

  Is telling truth, spreading truth. A bit like, and I don't...

• 2:50Speaker 03

  We're truthers.

• 2:51Speaker 04

  Jesus. A bit like Jesus. And so, you know, and so, and we're educators.

• 2:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:00Speaker 04

  And there should be no barrier.

• 3:04Speaker 04

  So I say, let the facts run free.

• 3:06Speaker 03

  Education shouldn't be gate-kept.

• 3:09Speaker 04

  It shouldn't be gate-kept. But anyway, no, so what...

• 3:14Speaker 02

  Your response to Ellie is?

• 3:15Speaker 04

  The response to Ellie is, look, I have to say, you've got away with it because you've been a cheeky scamp about it, basically. That's what happened. She's done the defence of...

• 3:26Speaker 03

  I would just say, be careful. Because like...

• 3:30Speaker 04

  Different message.

• 3:30Speaker 03

  Well, no, not in a threatening way.

• 3:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:34Speaker 04

  No, I just say to Ellie, "Nice radio station you got there." Shame if something was to hap...

• 3:38Speaker 03

  It would happen to it.

• 3:39Speaker 04

  Shame if that went off-air.

• 3:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:41Speaker 04

  And no one knew why.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, if it just disappeared one day.

• 3:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:45Speaker 03

  Nobody found it again.

• 3:47Speaker 04

  Didn't there used to be Radio 2, as well as Radio 1 and Radio 3?

• 3:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:52Speaker 04

  I don't know what happened there.

• 3:53Speaker 03

  Radio 3?

• 3:55Speaker 04

  There's Radio 3, yeah.

• 3:55Speaker 03

  There must be.

• 3:56Speaker 04

  There is Radio 3.

• 3:57Speaker 03

  What's on Radio 3?

• 3:58Speaker 04

  No one knows.

• 3:59Speaker 03

  Because I know Radio 4, I know BBC Radio 1, Radio 2, no Radio 4, Five Live, Six Music. Is that still around?

• 4:07Speaker 04

  Is it?

• 4:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:09Speaker 03

  What's Radio 3?

• 4:10Speaker 04

  They have never wanted to make it clear.

• 4:13Speaker 03

  They don't wanna...

• 4:14Speaker 04

  It's just a kind of, it's like the drawer in your house with all the sellotape in. That's Radio 3. It's like just other stuff.

• 4:20Speaker 03

  Yeah. No, but what am I saying to Ellie? I would just say, BBC Radio 2 is a more serious establishment than this. And our facts might not be up to scratch.

• 4:36Speaker 04

  No, it don't, there is something of the...

• 4:42Speaker 04

  Careful what you retweet. No one cares about us.

• 4:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:46Speaker 04

  Right? This is just like, people who listen to this show, this little piece of shit anyway.

• 4:52Speaker 03

  That's it.

• 4:52Speaker 04

  Right? They've got nothing.

• 4:53Speaker 03

  Joe and James says something.

• 4:55Speaker 04

  We're down in the, we're grubbing around with the little cockroaches in the world.

• 4:58Speaker 03

  The little slugs, right?

• 4:59Speaker 04

  The little slugs.

• 5:00Speaker 03

  With no personalities, right?

• 5:01Speaker 04

  Swindon lot.

• 5:03Speaker 03

  Joe and James, Joe and James say something, no one gives a fuck.

• 5:07Speaker 04

  Whatever.

• 5:08Speaker 03

  Something gets broadcast on Vernon Kay's show, people are listening then.

• 5:14Speaker 04

  Don't be, you know, you don't...

• 5:18Speaker 04

  You know, the, yeah, there's levels here and Radio 3, yes, no one, that's... Anything we say can go on Radio 3.

• 5:28Speaker 03

  I've got a Google Radio 3.

• 5:30Speaker 04

  Because I don't believe that's being broadcast.

• 5:30Speaker 02

  I mean, I can tell you.

• 5:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, what does Radio 3 do?

• 5:33Speaker 02

  It's classical music.

• 5:34Speaker 03

  No way.

• 5:35Speaker 04

  There's no such thing.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  It is.

• 5:38Speaker 03

  But I feel like I'd know that.

• 5:40Speaker 02

  Oh, well.

• 5:41Speaker 03

  Why do they not tell people that they do this?

• 5:44Speaker 04

  You can't have a whole radio station just for classical music. Come on.

• 5:46Speaker 03

  Classic FM.

• 5:49Speaker 04

  Wow. That's a joke.

• 5:52Speaker 03

  That's just a wind-up.

• 5:53Speaker 04

  That's a joke.

• 5:59Speaker 03

  BBC Radio 3. Honestly, I've never seen it on the dab.

• 6:05Speaker 03

  I don't know where, I don't, I've never seen Radio 3 come up.

• 6:08Speaker 04

  It does seem to me that they are...

• 6:12Speaker 03

  What's the listenership of BBC Radio 3? How many people are listening to BBC Radio 3?

• 6:17Speaker 02

  I don't have that to hand. Do you want me to have a little look?

• 6:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'd like to. I've got to get to the bottom of this.

• 6:24Speaker 03

  Before we start this podcast. Anyway, while Lily May is...

• 6:28Speaker 02

  Well, I've got here...

• 6:29Speaker 03

  Go on.

• 6:31Speaker 02

  From, according to Ray Jar, apparently Radio 3 has 2.1 million listeners weekly.

• 6:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. I don't know what that means. They always do weekly.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, it means throughout the week that many people have tuned in.

• 6:45Speaker 03

  I know, but I want to know.

• 6:46Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, come on. I know what he means. Is it, is it just one person who throughout the week tunes in 2.1 million times?

• 6:54Speaker 03

  That's what I'm talking about. That's what I mean.

• 6:56Speaker 04

  It could be. Also...

• 6:57Speaker 03

  That's what I mean.

• 6:58Speaker 04

  Bots, watch out.

• 6:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, bots might be...

• 7:00Speaker 04

  Classical music bots. They love classical music.

• 7:03Speaker 03

  Russian bots, that's all that is.

• 7:05Speaker 02

  I could get into Ray Jar, but I think that'd be incredibly dull.

• 7:08Speaker 03

  That is right.

• 7:09Speaker 04

  Get into what?

• 7:10Speaker 02

  Ray Jar is how it is calculated.

• 7:12Speaker 04

  Don't just make words up. What you...

• 7:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:15Speaker 04

  Ray Jar.

• 7:16Speaker 03

  It's called Radar.

• 7:17Speaker 04

  Radar. Marconi, look him up. Look him up. National hero. National hero.

• 7:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:24Speaker 04

  National hero.

• 7:25Speaker 03

  Especially after they built all those great big concrete things.

• 7:29Speaker 04

  Rittal, first radio broadcast from...

• 7:32Speaker 03

  The birthplace of radio.

• 7:33Speaker 04

  Pint thereof. Oh, birthplace of radio. Birthplace of radio, in a shed, in Rittal.

• 7:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:38Speaker 04

  He tended to be a bit of a fascist in the end, Marconi, but well done on the radio.

• 7:42Speaker 03

  With a name like that.

• 7:45Speaker 04

  To me, it just sounds like macaroni. It just sounds like, that's a cryptic crossword waiting to happen.

• 7:50Speaker 03

  Right.

• 7:51Speaker 04

  Mar, maca.

• 7:53Speaker 03

  Marker. Mark.

• 7:56Speaker 04

  Ah, I can't, there'd be something, there's something there. It would have been done.

• 7:59Speaker 03

  Anyway, Radar, what were they saying?

• 8:00Speaker 02

  Ray Jar. So Ray Jar is calculated.

• 8:02Speaker 03

  You keep saying it wrong.

• 8:04Speaker 02

  They basically, Ray Jar, they go and knock on people's houses and they say, "Will you fill in this form for this week or whatever and tell us what you've listened to?" And they tick off what they've been listening to at the time of the day. And then that is put into data sets and calculated, but...

• 8:20Speaker 03

  That's very un, that's not clinical enough. I need, you need numbers.

• 8:24Speaker 04

  It's hard to make.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  It's, that's, that's what, that's how it's done. But I will also say, they can now, through things like BBC Sounds and like actually things people are clicking to listen on, they can register those as well. That's obviously a bit more of an easy way to calculate how many people are listening.

• 8:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:41Speaker 02

  But Ray Jar is a little bit, yeah, interesting.

• 8:43Speaker 04

  Well, look, 2.1 weekly is...

• 8:48Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, anyway, I'm happy that, you know, the facts are getting out there.

• 8:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. Let the facts play out.

• 8:56Speaker 04

  Let the facts win. Let the, you know, the truth, in the end, let's just, let's just try and get the truth out there.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:05Speaker 04

  And let people, you know, let them be the judge of, no, they, let them, let them do with it what they will. That's, I'm just trying to give people the information so they can make informed choices about their lives.

• 9:20Speaker 03

  That's all we've ever tried to do.

• 9:21Speaker 04

  That's all we've ever tried to do.

• 9:23Speaker 02

  I can combine the two and give you a Radio 3 fact, if you like.

• 9:26Speaker 03

  Please do.

• 9:27Speaker 02

  It's the biggest commissioner of original classical music in the world.

• 9:32Speaker 03

  Right, I'm gonna say this again. What does that mean?

• 9:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, good.

• 9:35Speaker 04

  People are writing it specifically for...

• 9:38Speaker 02

  It's promoting the industry.

• 9:39Speaker 03

  They're making their own music.

• 9:41Speaker 04

  Making their own music now. They're making, they're out of, actually, they are out of control. They're out of control.

• 9:47Speaker 03

  I've never even heard of this fucking radio station.

• 9:49Speaker 04

  First they're broadcasting it, that stuff is well out of date.

• 9:53Speaker 03

  They're, they're...

• 9:54Speaker 04

  And now they're making new stuff.

• 9:57Speaker 03

  They're padding the numbers of the listenership.

• 10:00Speaker 04

  The form. They can write anything on that form.

• 10:02Speaker 03

  They're padding the content. Because even they're going, like what you said there, no one's got a fucking radio station just for classical music. Even they're going like, "Fuck, we better make some more."

• 10:13Speaker 04

  Yeah. There's no listeners, there's no music.

• 10:15Speaker 03

  And I would argue that's not classical then.

• 10:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:20Speaker 03

  Cause it needs to, it's modern, isn't it?

• 10:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's from the future, it hasn't been written yet. It's futuristic music.

• 10:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:25Speaker 04

  It'll come in.

• 10:30Speaker 04

  That like, no, but what I mean is it'll be. That's what it'll sound like, cause it'll be like. Like, you know, the Mr. Ones or something.

• 10:38Speaker 03

  Right.

• 10:41Speaker 03

  What's the Mr. Ones from again? Captain Scarlet or something? No, who was he against?

• 10:46Speaker 04

  No, yeah, the Mr. Ones are the enemy of Captain Scarlet and his. Uh. Organisation.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:54Speaker 04

  Um. I was talking about this the other day. There's um, there's Thunderbirds.

• 11:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:00Speaker 04

  This is, there's an op, there's a clear hierarchy here.

• 11:02Speaker 03

  Gerry Anderson, go.

• 11:04Speaker 04

  Thunderbirds, good.

• 11:05Speaker 03

  Talk Gerry Anderson.

• 11:05Speaker 04

  I love, I love the idea that like, there's an organisation that's based on speed of response. And it's a puppet, it's like, quick.

• 11:12Speaker 03

  I know, yeah.

• 11:15Speaker 04

  I'll tell you what, they must be relieved once they get in the rocket, that finally, press the button. Let's go, let's go. The rocket gets there, they, the rocket gets to the emergency site quicker than the puppet gets from his bed. To the rocket.

• 11:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:28Speaker 04

  The main part of the journey is the puppet walking to the rocket.

• 11:33Speaker 04

  Um. Uh, that's the, there's that, there's. Is it called Captain Scarlet? I think so.

• 11:39Speaker 03

  Captain Scarlet, yeah.

• 11:40Speaker 04

  So the second best, and then the worst one Stingray.

• 11:44Speaker 03

  Stingray, Stingray.

• 11:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, and he's in love with.

• 11:48Speaker 03

  A mermaid or something.

• 11:49Speaker 04

  A mermaid, she's called um Aqua Marina, and she's got her own song, Marina. And her big saying point is that she can't talk.

• 11:58Speaker 03

  That is true what you said though.

• 11:59Speaker 04

  She can't talk.

• 12:00Speaker 03

  I love them, yeah, that's, that's.

• 12:02Speaker 04

  That is not, you'd have to say.

• 12:03Speaker 03

  That's what you want from a woman.

• 12:04Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, I mean, you have to say in hindsight, that is not a strong female character.

• 12:08Speaker 03

  Um, but they.

• 12:09Speaker 04

  Keeps her mouth shut as well. She keeps her mouth shut.

• 12:14Speaker 04

  Wish my wife couldn't talk. Get an earful.

• 12:18Speaker 03

  But you are right, Thunderbirds.

• 12:19Speaker 04

  And she's half fish.

• 12:20Speaker 03

  I'm a huge Thunderbirds fan, love Th- love Thunderbirds.

• 12:23Speaker 04

  Brilliant show.

• 12:24Speaker 03

  Watched Captain Scarlet a little bit when I was a kid. I watched Joe Ninety more than I watched.

• 12:28Speaker 04

  Joe Ninety, that's the other one. Uh. There are four.

• 12:31Speaker 03

  I watched Joe Ninety more than, no, there was, there's about six.

• 12:36Speaker 03

  There is something else called like Action Squad or something like that. There's some bizarre. Let me look this up. How many um, how many uh TV shows did Gerry Anderson's production company make? Um, but what was the last one that you said with Aqua Marina?

• 12:55Speaker 04

  Stingray.

• 12:56Speaker 03

  Stingray. Yeah, I never watched Stingray.

• 12:58Speaker 04

  It, to me.

• 12:59Speaker 03

  I just didn't like that it was underwater all the time.

• 13:02Speaker 04

  Well, again, it just.

• 13:03Speaker 03

  It annoyed me.

• 13:03Speaker 04

  It felt like exactly one fifth of Thunderbirds, cause it's like, you've only got one of the machines.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, and that's the shit one, number four.

• 13:10Speaker 04

  And the rubbish one as well, it doesn't even have its own, it has to go around in.

• 13:12Speaker 03

  When you get the.

• 13:13Speaker 04

  You have to go around inside number two.

• 13:14Speaker 03

  When you get the number thir- when, when you get the Thunderbird toys, have you seen how tiny?

• 13:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, it doesn't, yeah, it doesn't even have its own doors to open.

• 13:21Speaker 03

  No.

• 13:21Speaker 04

  It's just completely diecast, it's totally solid.

• 13:23Speaker 03

  And it just slops, it's slops into one of those.

• 13:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, it goes, yeah, it's carried around like a little baby, inside the womb of number two.

• 13:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:31Speaker 04

  Also, number one, number three. They're sort of the same on there. Is one of them is out space and one of them's?

• 13:36Speaker 03

  Well, number one. I think number one can go to space as well though, doesn't number one go to?

• 13:41Speaker 04

  Well, Thunderbird five, that's just in space.

• 13:44Speaker 03

  That's just a satellite thing, isn't it?

• 13:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, and um.

• 13:49Speaker 04

  What I like about Thunderbird five. Is that. That is definitely the worst job.

• 13:59Speaker 03

  Boring.

• 13:59Speaker 04

  For the, he's just up there on his own.

• 14:00Speaker 03

  He's just listening out for stuff.

• 14:02Speaker 04

  God.

• 14:02Speaker 03

  He's just on the, on the wire, he's just on the communications.

• 14:06Speaker 04

  That is, I mean, you're like, oh, working with all my brothers, oh, it's brilliant, all five brothers, imagine the camaraderie. Little squad, here we go, what am I doing? Yeah, you're um up on a satellite on your own, mate.

• 14:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:17Speaker 04

  We'll be down here.

• 14:18Speaker 03

  We'll be down here.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  Running around doing.

• 14:19Speaker 03

  Also, you're up there for ages and you're constantly up there, your bones are gonna be fucked by the time.

• 14:23Speaker 04

  You can't exercise, forget about that, you mean, he was withering away. He'll come down, he'll turn to jelly.

• 14:28Speaker 03

  Couple of questions about the Thunderbird setup.

• 14:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, go on.

• 14:32Speaker 03

  Where's the mum? What happened to the mum?

• 14:34Speaker 04

  Uh, I don't know, died, wealthy woman, left all the money to the, and that's he spent it all, the, the widower.

• 14:40Speaker 03

  Oh, is that what it was? She had the money?

• 14:42Speaker 04

  And I don't know, it's no, I think, I suspect from Aqua Marina that maybe they weren't very good at writing for women.

• 14:49Speaker 03

  Right.

• 14:50Speaker 04

  I've got, I had to do a female character, what we gonna do, what we gonna do? I got it, she doesn't speak, brilliant. Right, come on, boys, come on.

• 14:56Speaker 03

  Do you reckon someone went, where's the mum and they shouldn't?

• 14:58Speaker 04

  What, the what? The mum?

• 15:00Speaker 03

  Well, you know, there's the dad.

• 15:02Speaker 04

  What do you mean, do you mean the dad? No, the mum?

• 15:03Speaker 03

  He sends his sons out. It's all these dangerous missions constantly as well.

• 15:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  And he just sits there with his white Schofield hair.

• 15:12Speaker 04

  I can't even really remember what he um.

• 15:13Speaker 03

  He just sat behind the desk.

• 15:15Speaker 04

  Ah, yeah.

• 15:16Speaker 03

  And then the pictures would.

• 15:17Speaker 04

  Okay. Is there something of the Kennedys, are they a bit like the Kennedys, do you think?

• 15:21Speaker 03

  Maybe, yeah, they live up.

• 15:22Speaker 04

  This clan of.

• 15:24Speaker 03

  They're always, when they're not on like duty, they've always got like a cigarette and a, and a martini or something. And they're just by the pool on Tracy Island.

• 15:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

• 15:35Speaker 03

  Thunderbirds, Thunderbirds, come in, Thunderbirds.

• 15:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're very much sort of um, they're very much sort of Playboy Mansion.

• 15:42Speaker 03

  Me and my youngest son watch it. Um, we watch Thunderbirds quite a lot and, cause you can get the box set and stuff, it's, I love Thunderbirds.

• 15:50Speaker 04

  It's a great show.

• 15:51Speaker 03

  Uh, but it is really funny.

• 15:54Speaker 04

  It is.

• 15:55Speaker 03

  Because they're puppets. Like car crashes and stuff like that, you can tell, you can tell, one bit is a model, and then it cuts to like a matchbox car, and like, someone's just throwing it across the. The screen.

• 16:07Speaker 04

  Those little stunts must have been so fun to do. Imagine you're in charge of the Thunderbird stunts, you're like, go and buy some toys, we're gonna blow them up.

• 16:12Speaker 03

  And I love that it just, it exploded in America, it's so big in America as well, because all the characters are American. They're all voiced by British actors.

• 16:23Speaker 04

  Oh, is it a British show?

• 16:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:25Speaker 04

  Ah, I'll tell you what, we used to.

• 16:27Speaker 03

  It's just in a warehouse.

• 16:28Speaker 04

  We used to own that fucking place, didn't we? Well, I bet it's like the Beatles.

• 16:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:33Speaker 04

  You know, Brian Wilson can't get in the top four, cause they're all Beatles songs.

• 16:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. That'll teach ya. But Americans just thought, just thought, it, it worked so well in America, cause all the characters were American.

• 16:47Speaker 04

  It's, yeah.

• 16:48Speaker 03

  There's a really great documentary on Netflix about um Gerry Anderson and the, the making of Thunderbirds and stuff.

• 16:55Speaker 04

  It's really um sui generis, there's nothing else like, what's his um, he calls it Super Mario Nation.

• 17:01Speaker 03

  Su- Su- Super Marionation.

• 17:03Speaker 04

  Super Marionation, which obviously means like, it's derived from Marionette, meaning puppet. Whenever I was a kid, it always confused me, I was like, Super Mario?

• 17:09Speaker 03

  Super Marionation.

• 17:10Speaker 04

  Super Marionation, it basically means Super Mario World. What about Super Mario World?

• 17:15Speaker 04

  But.

• 17:16Speaker 03

  Also, when I was a kid, when um the kids' shows finished on uh, or just before, or just after. Simpsons would start on BBC Two.

• 17:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 17:27Speaker 03

  I'd catch the beginning, or I'd catch. I'd catch a bit of Star Trek The Next Generation. And it was, they were always going on about the final frontier, right? And I, uh, growing up, you know the Wham Christmas song?

• 17:42Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 17:43Speaker 03

  This year to save me from tears, I'll give it to someone special.

• 17:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:46Speaker 03

  I thought the words were, this year, the final frontier. I sang that for years. This year, the final frontier.

• 18:01Speaker 03

  It's weird when you're a kid and you make these sort of.

• 18:04Speaker 04

  It's like a kind of Queen of Speech or something.

• 18:05Speaker 03

  These sort of connections.

• 18:07Speaker 04

  No, it's funny, isn't it? It just kind of all makes, but this is what I mean, I, you know, as I say, rhyme is like, it's a kind of random meaning, it's a random connection generator. You throw anything at the brain, you can just go, I don't know, this and this, the brain are going, yes, right. It can connect to anything, the brain.

• 18:22Speaker 03

  I was a weird chi- child, chid.

• 18:25Speaker 04

  Chid.

• 18:27Speaker 03

  I was a weird, weird little chid. Kyle, sorry.

• 18:30Speaker 04

  A Kyle, yeah. Um, no, the thing about being a Kyle, is that um, you know, it is a chid's eye view.

• 18:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:38Speaker 04

  So you, no, but it's, yeah, no, I, I, I mean, yeah, Thunderbirds.

• 18:44Speaker 03

  I wonder why it was so big in the nineties? I've just got this theory that they, and I've said it a load of times, especially with kids' shows, where they didn't start making any new ones until sort of late nineties, there was a couple there, sure.

• 18:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, whenever I turned on the telly, it was just old. It was Looney Tunes and, and.

• 19:02Speaker 03

  I remember being sick, whenever you were sick and they'd put, and you'd put Playdays on or something like that, and you'd be like. Jesus, this must have been shot fucking decades ago.

• 19:11Speaker 04

  Maybe they didn't, maybe they um, just. Do you feel that we're now more?

• 19:17Speaker 03

  Well, cause people complain about reruns and stuff and how much of the schedule has been taken up, been taken up by just repeats of things and. And I, I don't wanna be like, I feel like it's always been like that.

• 19:28Speaker 04

  I think it has. You've got a lot to fill, haven't you?

• 19:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:31Speaker 04

  I mean, I think budgets are probably lower than they were. Not Radio Three, I think all the money in the world going around, I mean.

• 19:37Speaker 03

  They've stopped repeating, they're making new content.

• 19:40Speaker 04

  I know. Can I hear that again? No.

• 19:43Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 19:45Speaker 04

  You should have listened the first time.

• 19:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:46Speaker 04

  There's something else on now. It was written five minutes ago.

• 19:50Speaker 03

  Who's DJing on Radio Three? Have they got any?

• 19:53Speaker 02

  I don't know if they call them DJs on Radio Three.

• 19:58Speaker 04

  What do they call it?

• 19:58Speaker 02

  Let me have a, presenters?

• 20:01Speaker 04

  Concert hall jockey.

• 20:04Speaker 02

  Let me have a look at the schedule.

• 20:07Speaker 03

  Cause usually they do have some like.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  I think I was some old person.

• 20:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, I I have to say the the reason those numbers are so high. I'm not having to go at them is because this country is fucking old.

• 20:21Speaker 03

  Do you reckon?

• 20:22Speaker 04

  Everyone in this country is fucking old. You wouldn't believe it.

• 20:27Speaker 03

  Oh, I would, mate.

• 20:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:28Speaker 03

  I would.

• 20:28Speaker 04

  It's an old country. It's an old country. We're all getting older. It's, don't ask anyone.

• 20:35Speaker 03

  There was an old woman on the on my train on the way in today. And she had a massive problem with me. Uh, sat sat in front. She was sitting with her legs. Quite stretched out and I wanted, I needed the seat that was in front of her.

• 20:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:51Speaker 03

  And I sort of gave her the sort of.

• 20:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:56Speaker 03

  The look, you know.

• 20:57Speaker 04

  Is it all right if I sit in that seat?

• 20:58Speaker 03

  I'm just gonna have to sit down here. Got nothing from her. Arrogant.

• 21:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, they are arrogant, yeah.

• 21:04Speaker 03

  And then when I did sit down, she still wouldn't move her legs. I had to. Straddle her. I basically straddled an old woman on the way into work today. I had to sit there with my legs open so that her legs could go.

• 21:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's.

• 21:19Speaker 03

  And I was a bit, eventually she did move it.

• 21:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  And I, again, I'm not aggressive. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna vocalise. But I did give a little eyes like. Like a sort of.

• 21:31Speaker 04

  That's nice of you.

• 21:32Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 21:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:32Speaker 03

  Sarcasm, but I'm being sarcastic.

• 21:34Speaker 04

  No, I know, I know. I mean, it's, it's, um.

• 21:36Speaker 03

  But old people.

• 21:37Speaker 04

  Get booked for that, it's a booking.

• 21:38Speaker 03

  Old people are entitled.

• 21:41Speaker 04

  They are entitled. I mean, trains are, the the joy is trains, is like, there isn't enough room, like, and so you have a decision about whether to be totally cramped. Or whether to be a dickhead, basically. And and I, when you walk coming down the train and like, everyone's pretending they're like. Oh, I'm, oh, oh, is my bag on that seat?

• 21:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:58Speaker 04

  I wasn't just waiting till you'd passed me. I suppose I've probably done that as well. If I'm in a bad mood, I don't want to talk to people. I sometimes, but I normally, I do normally try. I do, I'd say one out of ten times. If I'm in a shitty mood, I'm like, you know what? I'm actually don't, I don't want to sit next to anyone.

• 22:14Speaker 03

  If it was fifteen, fifteen, twenty years ago, I would never have complained about an old person wanting to stretch their legs out on a train. Because old, old people had won wars and shit like that.

• 22:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, now it's just.

• 22:25Speaker 03

  That's where the respect your elders thing comes through. And I was always brought up to respect my elders. My my grandparents were in the war.

• 22:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:33Speaker 03

  Um, I also knew my great grandparents as well and they were heavily involved in the war.

• 22:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:38Speaker 03

  When I was growing up. So I'd always, I I always grew up respecting the elderly.

• 22:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:43Speaker 03

  Giving them, letting them take their time.

• 22:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 22:46Speaker 03

  They can do whatever they want to do as far as I'm concerned.

• 22:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:49Speaker 03

  But today's old people.

• 22:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:51Speaker 03

  All you did was get born after the war.

• 22:55Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 22:56Speaker 03

  Um, see the end of rationing and fuck a load of people in the sixties.

• 23:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:01Speaker 03

  And take a load of drugs and shit.

• 23:03Speaker 04

  Bought a house for about a pound.

• 23:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. And now you, now you're sitting on the train going, oh, no, I, you owe me. Oh, you fuck all, love.

• 23:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:12Speaker 03

  They have this attitude of like, no, I'm old, so you should respect me. But I want to be like, but what have you done though?

• 23:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:20Speaker 03

  You're not the same as the old, old people. The old people when I was growing up, they'd been through some shit and you go, fucking hell.

• 23:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, we should send them back to war now. We'll get battalions.

• 23:29Speaker 03

  Send all the, anyone seventy-three plus.

• 23:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:34Speaker 03

  Right now.

• 23:35Speaker 04

  Off they go.

• 23:36Speaker 03

  Send to Ukraine or something.

• 23:38Speaker 04

  Ukraine, they stretch out their legs.

• 23:40Speaker 03

  And then, and then if they, if they liberate Ukraine.

• 23:43Speaker 04

  And if Russia tries coming, they're like.

• 23:46Speaker 03

  If they liberate Ukraine.

• 23:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:48Speaker 03

  For freedom and democracy, and then they want to stretch their legs on the train, then I'll go, thank you very much.

• 23:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

• 23:56Speaker 03

  Or if they want to go and work a Ukraine farm or something like that, then I'll go, respect.

• 24:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  But she, I was not having it.

• 24:06Speaker 04

  No.

• 24:07Speaker 03

  I was not having it off her this morning. Shall we do this podcast?

• 24:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, okay.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  Do you want to know who presents on Radio Three?

• 24:12Speaker 03

  Of course we do, yeah, yeah.

• 24:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:13Speaker 02

  So, uh, generally, the daily schedule, like, I can say they're mainly sort of singers, musicians within the field.

• 24:20Speaker 03

  That's what I mean.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  But some people that you may have heard of who present on there, Jules Holland.

• 24:25Speaker 04

  Okay, right, there he is.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Edith Bowman?

• 24:27Speaker 03

  Bowman's on Radio Three?

• 24:29Speaker 02

  So you go.

• 24:29Speaker 03

  What's, what's Bowman doing on Radio Three?

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Strings, Bowman.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  Wait, this is good.

• 24:35Speaker 04

  Who's Edith Bowman?

• 24:36Speaker 03

  What?

• 24:37Speaker 04

  No.

• 24:37Speaker 03

  What are you talking about?

• 24:38Speaker 04

  I know Jules Holland is.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  Who's Edith Bowman?

• 24:41Speaker 04

  I've heard of.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  You know Edith Bowman?

• 24:43Speaker 04

  I've heard of the name Edith, I know that's her name.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  One of the most legendary.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  Edith Bowman?

• 24:47Speaker 03

  Legendary ball, ball.

• 24:48Speaker 04

  Oh, her. Okay, I know who, I know her face, ironically, for radio, but not her saying she's ugly. Just, I'm not, really not, I just.

• 24:58Speaker 03

  What's coming?

• 24:58Speaker 04

  It's funny that I recognise her face and not her voice.

• 25:00Speaker 03

  What, what?

• 25:01Speaker 02

  You hadn't heard her voice.

• 25:02Speaker 04

  Fair.

• 25:03Speaker 03

  What, she's Scottish, right?

• 25:06Speaker 04

  I know who that is.

• 25:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, she is, she is Scottish.

• 25:09Speaker 03

  What's she doing tucked away on Radio Three where no one even knows that that's a radio station?

• 25:14Speaker 04

  Well, she's commissioning, um, commissioning music, apparently.

• 25:18Speaker 03

  You've got people like Bowman, like disappearing on Radio Three. The world's gone mad.

• 25:26Speaker 03

  The world has gone mad. Jules Holland, sure, he needs to do something the other. Three hundred and sixty-four days of the year.

• 25:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. Jules Holland, he's like Raymond Briggs Santa Claus, isn't he? Where it's like, what's he doing? He's got the whole rest of the year off.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:42Speaker 04

  So he goes to a Las Vegas hotel. That is what Santa does.

• 25:48Speaker 03

  Is there anyone else that we'd know on Radio, on Radio Three?

• 25:51Speaker 02

  I, I'm not gonna lie, I'm actually getting some of my source material from Pete who has recently been working with Radio Three.

• 25:57Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 25:57Speaker 02

  Um, and he's not supplied any more names, so.

• 25:59Speaker 03

  So Pete's been working with Radio Three. Where the fuck has this Radio Three been all my life?

• 26:04Speaker 02

  Ask Pete.

• 26:05Speaker 03

  They're not doing enough marketing either.

• 26:07Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 26:08Speaker 03

  Never seen a Radio Three advert. I've always seen Radio One, Radio Two, Five Live.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  Maybe it's more like if you know, you know.

• 26:15Speaker 03

  Six Music.

• 26:16Speaker 04

  It's like Fight Club, isn't it, Radio Three?

• 26:18Speaker 03

  It's a bit like Fight Club.

• 26:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, everyone's down there.

• 26:20Speaker 03

  Don't talk about it.

• 26:21Speaker 04

  Don't talk about it. Who's fighting today? Edith Bowman versus Jules Holland?

• 26:27Speaker 03

  That'd be a good fight.

• 26:29Speaker 04

  What a fight that would be.

• 26:30Speaker 03

  I'd pay to watch that.

• 26:31Speaker 04

  You should have done that at the, the American two hundred and fiftieth.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  Well, yeah.

• 26:35Speaker 04

  They wouldn't know who they were.

• 26:36Speaker 03

  Could have done that, yeah.

• 26:37Speaker 04

  I don't know who Ed Bowman is.

• 26:38Speaker 03

  Sign them up for Riyadh season.

• 26:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Do BBC Proms over there, you've heard of the Proms already?

• 26:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've heard of the Proms, but that's on TV.

• 26:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, we're not, not stuff that we've heard because it's on TV.

• 26:50Speaker 03

  But, but that's what I'm saying. Radio Three.

• 26:52Speaker 04

  And not stuff, not stuff where I've heard of it because I've seen the face. That doesn't count either. I should have heard from the voice alone. These should be, these should be faceless. You shouldn't, if someone's on the radio, you should not know what they look like.

• 27:05Speaker 03

  Well, you do these days.

• 27:06Speaker 04

  You always do, don't they? They're, they're splattered all over social media.

• 27:10Speaker 03

  That used to be the good thing about, um, going on the radio to plug your TV show or your, your film or something.

• 27:15Speaker 04

  You could just turn up.

• 27:16Speaker 03

  Because you'd have to do the breakfast shows, they're always the big ones. But it would mean you could just fucking roll out of bed.

• 27:21Speaker 04

  Everything, oh god. I used to go into radio stations sometimes and they'd be like, oh, we're filming this one. And it would be like, oh, fuck.

• 27:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:28Speaker 04

  All right, fine. And they'd be like, don't worry, no one really watches it, it's just for, you know.

• 27:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:32Speaker 04

  Just for YouTube or something, which at that point was just like.

• 27:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:35Speaker 04

  Not really.

• 27:36Speaker 03

  Me Tube?

• 27:38Speaker 04

  Me Tube, yeah. Yeah, yeah, with Me Tube at that point, yeah.

• 27:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:42Speaker 04

  It was, was it Chid Tube?

• 27:48Speaker 03

  The chids are all right.

• 27:50Speaker 04

  The chids are all right?

• 27:51Speaker 03

  Let's, um.

• 27:51Speaker 04

  Okay, well, well done Bowman, well done, uh.

• 27:54Speaker 03

  Jules.

• 27:55Speaker 04

  Jules, uh, not long to go now.

• 27:58Speaker 03

  What was his band, Squeeze?

• 28:01Speaker 04

  Squeeze, yeah.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  Jules was in Squeeze.

• 28:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:03Speaker 03

  How many Squeeze songs do you know? I think I know one. Didn't they do Up the Junction?

• 28:10Speaker 03

  I never thought it would happen with me and the girl from Clapham. Is that Squeeze?

• 28:15Speaker 04

  I, I'm afraid I don't know. I, I. I'm gonna maybe, I'm gonna listen to a bit of Squeeze as well, I'm gonna see.

• 28:32Speaker 03

  Did Squeeze do that?

• 28:32Speaker 04

  I have heard of that song.

• 28:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, they did.

• 28:34Speaker 03

  They did, yeah.

• 28:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. And was it, is it Clapham Junction? It's about Clapham Junction?

• 28:38Speaker 03

  Uh, I think he mentions Clapham Junction. Or is it, I never thought it would happen with me and the girl from Clapham?

• 28:45Speaker 04

  Okay, so, yeah, so.

• 28:47Speaker 03

  It's a sad song, that.

• 28:48Speaker 04

  Nice, nice rhyme.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  It's a really sad song.

• 28:50Speaker 04

  Go on, what was it?

• 28:51Speaker 03

  Well, it's about like young love and they've, they, he's, they, the lyrics are that he meets a girl. And they live in a shit flat and then he gets a job and then, um, she gets pregnant and then they, like, they have to sell the telly. Because the babies come in, they have to get rid of the telly so they can afford a baby. And then, and then it cuts to, and then he has like a sort of key change. It skips a few years and he's, and then the song just turns into like, oh yeah, I started drinking now. And they don't talk to me anymore and she's with another bloke who's a soldier. And, yeah. It's really depressing at the end. It's really hopeful and like, really sweet and romantic at the beginning. And then it's like.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  And then it's about a bloke who's just like, yeah, fucked it, fucked it all.

• 29:39Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 29:39Speaker 03

  Do you know that song, Lily May?

• 29:40Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 29:41Speaker 03

  It's a good song.

• 29:42Speaker 02

  They do Call for Cats as well, that's the one I knew.

• 29:44Speaker 04

  Oh, it's Call for Cats. Now that has been an advert and that's why I know what it is.

• 29:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:48Speaker 04

  Milk, wasn't it? Was it milk? Because it's Call for Cats, it's Call for, Call for Cats.

• 29:53Speaker 03

  Was it milk or was it whiskers or something?

• 29:56Speaker 04

  Oh, it might have been whiskers. Well, they like both, don't they? But, I mean, do you remember, um. He said, if I didn't drink enough milk, I'd never even get to play for Akron and Stanley. Who's Akron Stanley? Who's that? Exactly.

• 30:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:13Speaker 04

  Bit harsh. Because that, that, they were fucked from that, but that was like everyone's.

• 30:16Speaker 03

  Akron Stanley. Who are they?

• 30:20Speaker 04

  Exactly. And actually, if you do pay for Akron Stanley, you're a fucking professional footballer.

• 30:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, getting paid to play football, mate.

• 30:26Speaker 04

  That's the hardest. If you see it being a professional footballer, well, honestly, well done. Because every fucking person plays football. And the standard's, I think, quite high. I think if you go to like, mo- most five-a-side football pitches in London, you can go down. And you'll see if it's all being played like quite a good level. This is entirely based on the fact that I think I'm quite good and they're all better than me.

• 30:45Speaker 03

  But if, if you go to, if you go to America.

• 30:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:48Speaker 03

  And, well, it might not be so much these days because the, the sport has grown a bit in America lately. But. If you go to America and you see some people playing on the beach and stuff and you sort of join in, you're fucking, it's like your pele.

• 31:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:02Speaker 03

  It's like.

• 31:04Speaker 04

  You do like a little step over.

• 31:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're like, whoa.

• 31:07Speaker 04

  Why, where'd you learn to do that?

• 31:09Speaker 03

  I don't know, man, just fucking.

• 31:11Speaker 04

  I sort of, I'm not saying I invented it, but.

• 31:12Speaker 03

  Sign him up.

• 31:13Speaker 04

  As far as you know, I invented it.

• 31:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:16Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, it did used to be, yeah, if you were George Best, you could go out there and basically just be drunk.

• 31:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:21Speaker 04

  Still be the best player on the field.

• 31:23Speaker 03

  I saw an interview with George Best where he said, I had a bet with my mates that I wouldn't touch the ball with my right foot for the whole 90 minutes and I'm right footed. Um, so I did it. I just, I, I only touched the ball on my left foot and I scored three goals.

• 31:37Speaker 04

  That is incredible.

• 31:43Speaker 03

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• 33:21Speaker 03

  Right, here we go. We're here. We're doing it. A couple of episodes ago, I asked you to send in your game names. Or to pitch a format for the ones, uh, of the names that I pitched.

• 33:33Speaker 04

  The ones that you, yeah.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. Allah Pilkington.

• 33:37Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  And we called it James games.

• 33:38Speaker 03

  James games. Brilliant.

• 33:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:40Speaker 03

  Here's a couple of suggestions for my game, game of frowns.

• 33:45Speaker 04

  Well, game, games of frowns, I think.

• 33:47Speaker 03

  It was games.

• 33:48Speaker 04

  Games of frowns. Yeah.

• 33:49Speaker 03

  What is it? What is the show called?

• 33:50Speaker 02

  Game of Thrones.

• 33:51Speaker 03

  Yes, games of frowns.

• 33:54Speaker 04

  Game. Games. Yeah, exactly. What's quite good about that is that you checked in with what the other show is called.

• 34:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:03Speaker 04

  Just so that you could not do that.

• 34:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I, I realised I'd made a mistake.

• 34:07Speaker 04

  Games. I really like it.

• 34:08Speaker 03

  Games of frowns.

• 34:10Speaker 02

  Just gonna correct the script.

• 34:11Speaker 03

  Thank you. Um, this is, uh, here's one from Alex via the fact up, uh, via fact up Spotify. Uh, games of frowns should be pictures of celebrities' foreheads and eyebrows frowning. And you have to guess the celebrity. Brilliant.

• 34:26Speaker 04

  Cause also celebrities, I think they feel that they're not able to be serious or worried. And I like it to be more celebrities who are famous for being worried.

• 34:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:36Speaker 04

  And there was, Keanu Reeves had a little line in it for a while. He was always being photographed on like benches.

• 34:43Speaker 03

  Right.

• 34:43Speaker 04

  Just sat on his own. I, I want to say with like a packed lunch or something.

• 34:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:48Speaker 04

  And just looking.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  Thunderbirds.

• 34:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:50Speaker 03

  Lunchbox.

• 34:51Speaker 04

  He had a Thunderbirds lunchbox and a thermos flask. Remember that as well? I used to have a thermos flask, I'd just have like squash in it.

• 34:58Speaker 04

  Why do kids need a thermos flask? They don't drink tea, do they?

• 35:03Speaker 03

  That was something, yeah, some do. Some, some like it, some don't.

• 35:07Speaker 04

  Some chids like it, some don't.

• 35:09Speaker 03

  But that is, uh, perfect because it's got, one, that's a good format and two, it's got celebrities. And if you want to have anything made, anything greenlit these days, you need to have celebrities in it.

• 35:22Speaker 04

  So I can get some celebrities and get them to do.

• 35:25Speaker 03

  But we could.

• 35:26Speaker 04

  Anything really like waterboard them or something, just anything really. Get some celebrities, torture them and then a celebrity's told a state secret. See how long they can keep it under torture. Um, and they're voted off. And also if they're annoying, they're voted off. Um, and then eventually, um, one of them wins.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  Well, I actually thought we could try this game for socials. It's obviously very visual. So I thought after, after we recorded this episode, we could try this out.

• 35:51Speaker 03

  Absolutely. Yeah. Let's see if the proof is in the pudding.

• 35:54Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 35:55Speaker 03

  Uh, we've got another suggestion for games of frowns from Andrew via the fact up email.

• 36:02Speaker 03

  Andrew says, hi, Joe and James. I think he's got two suggestions. Is that right?

• 36:06Speaker 04

  Great.

• 36:07Speaker 03

  So, um, option one, Joe and James give each other facts that make them frown at first, then they have to come up with a positive twist for each fact. Turning that frown into a smile.

• 36:18Speaker 04

  That's nice.

• 36:19Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 36:20Speaker 04

  That's nice.

• 36:21Speaker 03

  Weird, that one.

• 36:22Speaker 04

  Well, I quite like it.

• 36:24Speaker 03

  Here's, here's.

• 36:24Speaker 04

  It's quite difficult to achieve, but it's.

• 36:26Speaker 03

  Here's his second suggestion.

• 36:28Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 36:29Speaker 03

  Someone gives Joe three facts during the week that are likely to make him frown. Joe then presents those facts to James, who has to guess which fact made Joe frown the most.

• 36:41Speaker 04

  I like that as well. I like both of them. They're both quite involved.

• 36:45Speaker 03

  They're weird.

• 36:47Speaker 04

  I think that's why I like.

• 36:48Speaker 03

  I think the one, the, the Alex one's good. Pictures of celebrities.

• 36:52Speaker 04

  Pictures, yeah. It was good here is we've got, um, two people who in a way encapsulate. If you were gonna sort of, if you're teaching a class on like what to pitch.

• 37:04Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 37:05Speaker 04

  You'd say, look, I know you're all young and idealistic. You're all Andrews. You've got these ideas about multi-stage games to do with sort of the nuance of emotion. Be less Andrew, be more Alex. Pictures of celebrities, that'll, that's the one that will get commissioned.

• 37:27Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 37:27Speaker 04

  All right.

• 37:28Speaker 03

  You know where you are with it.

• 37:29Speaker 04

  You do.

• 37:29Speaker 03

  Here's a whole new game and this sounds great. Cat or mole? Cat or mole? This is from Oscar via the YouTube comments.

• 37:41Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 37:41Speaker 03

  My game does involve you bringing on a guest. It's called Lee Catamole's Cat or Mole?

• 37:47Speaker 04

  I quite like that. It's not just like, we don't have a choice of guest. It has to be Lee Catamole.

• 37:51Speaker 03

  We've got to get, you've got to get Lee Catamole, who I, who I haven't thought of for about 15 years.

• 37:57Speaker 04

  It's a good name though.

• 37:58Speaker 03

  Who did he play for Leeds?

• 38:00Speaker 02

  Let me double check that for you now.

• 38:02Speaker 03

  Um, my game does involve you bringing on a guest. It's called Lee's, Lee Catamole's Cat or Mole? Where in former footballer, Lee Catamole presents you with close up pictures of fur. And you have to guess whether it's the fur of a mole or a cat. Endless entertainment.

• 38:21Speaker 03

  Me and my mates used to play a similar game.

• 38:23Speaker 04

  The fur thing's funny.

• 38:25Speaker 03

  Me and my mates used to play a similar game, uh, called, called Cock or Ball?

• 38:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, cock or ball. Yeah.

• 38:33Speaker 03

  Where you just open your flyers.

• 38:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:35Speaker 03

  Open your boxer short button a little bit and pop out a little bit of skin.

• 38:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:40Speaker 03

  And your other mate has to, um, work out whether it's cock skin or ball skin.

• 38:45Speaker 04

  I've played this and, and it's harder than you'd think.

• 38:47Speaker 03

  It's well hard. Yeah.

• 38:48Speaker 04

  Oh, it's harder than you'd think.

• 38:51Speaker 02

  I've actually played that as well. Not myself, obviously, but I've guessed.

• 38:53Speaker 04

  Yeah. And was it, was it, was it harder than you thought it'd be?

• 38:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:58Speaker 04

  Yeah. Cause I think you can, no.

• 39:01Speaker 03

  You thought it'd be harder?

• 39:04Speaker 04

  But you can, if you can, because essentially.

• 39:06Speaker 02

  It's not catchy by surprise.

• 39:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. The ball skin is wrinkled, so you've got to stretch.

• 39:11Speaker 03

  You've got to.

• 39:11Speaker 04

  You've got to be a bit cheeky.

• 39:13Speaker 03

  It's like putting it on a canvas. You've got to.

• 39:15Speaker 04

  Yes, exactly. Yeah, exactly. You pre-stretch it.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, some people are better at displaying than others.

• 39:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:21Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, it can be.

• 39:24Speaker 03

  Who did Lee Catamole play for?

• 39:25Speaker 02

  Uh, he played for, uh, Middlesbrough, Wigan and Sunderland.

• 39:29Speaker 03

  Sunderland, Wigan. I was thinking of Wigan.

• 39:32Speaker 04

  I was thinking of Sunderland.

• 39:34Speaker 03

  Um, Lee Catamole's Cat or Mole? When did he retire from football?

• 39:40Speaker 04

  This would be a better suggestion if one of us was Lee Catamole. I had to say.

• 39:44Speaker 03

  No, we can get Lee Catamole. Sure we can.

• 39:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, but we have to get him on every week.

• 39:49Speaker 03

  He hosts it.

• 39:49Speaker 02

  We wouldn't have to do it every week.

• 39:51Speaker 03

  He hosts it.

• 39:51Speaker 04

  He hosts it. Okay.

• 39:52Speaker 03

  We're not involved.

• 39:53Speaker 02

  Um, he also, so he retired, I think from English football in 2019, but he also then, he then played, um, for a Dutch team.

• 40:04Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 40:04Speaker 02

  Um, up until 2020.

• 40:06Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 40:07Speaker 03

  He was playing in the 2020s, Lee Catamole.

• 40:09Speaker 04

  So much like Jules Holland. I mean, it's surprising. He's got a fucking show on Radio Three to be honest, but, um.

• 40:14Speaker 03

  Lee Catamole's probably on Radio Three for all we know.

• 40:16Speaker 04

  He's got nothing to do. He had six years, just, he just sat there like a Thunderbird Five man.

• 40:21Speaker 03

  I'll tell you something now, if fucking Lee Catamole turns up on, um, Kay's fucking. What's his name?

• 40:29Speaker 02

  Vernon Kay.

• 40:29Speaker 03

  Vernon Kay's radio show next week.

• 40:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:32Speaker 03

  I'm gonna, I will fall out with that Ellie, whatever her name is.

• 40:36Speaker 02

  Ellie Brennan.

• 40:37Speaker 04

  Ellie Brennan.

• 40:37Speaker 02

  Ellie Brennan.

• 40:39Speaker 04

  It's good that she's been upgraded because in the original correspondence, she was just referred to as a woman.

• 40:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:45Speaker 04

  Well, to be fair, I mean, you know, he didn't know, the person didn't know. It's actually fine, isn't it? Well, is it? Okay. It's a description of a suspect, basically.

• 40:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:53Speaker 04

  It's all right. I don't know why. I remember it as a woman. I didn't get the, the registration plate.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  Which is funny because she does the travel.

• 41:01Speaker 04

  That's weird as well.

• 41:03Speaker 03

  So she's doing the travel and she's ripping off our show.

• 41:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:07Speaker 03

  Unbelievable.

• 41:11Speaker 03

  They get away with murder, don't they?

• 41:13Speaker 04

  They just do whatever they want.

• 41:14Speaker 02

  Shall I get in touch with Lee?

• 41:17Speaker 03

  Lee Catamole?

• 41:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:18Speaker 04

  Are we really doing this?

• 41:19Speaker 03

  Ask Lee Catamole if he's interested in.

• 41:23Speaker 03

  If he's interested in.

• 41:24Speaker 04

  In presenting a show.

• 41:25Speaker 03

  Presenting a game show called Lee Catamole's Catamole. I don't think we'll hear back from him.

• 41:33Speaker 03

  I don't think we're gonna hear back from Lee Catamole.

• 41:35Speaker 02

  Sounds like he's free.

• 41:36Speaker 04

  Um.

• 41:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, but he's off doing the retired footballer shit, isn't he?

• 41:41Speaker 02

  Is he?

• 41:41Speaker 03

  Fucking hell. Oh, mate, you got to, um, does anyone?

• 41:44Speaker 04

  We'll tell him, we'll provide the photos of the fur if he's worried about that. He doesn't have to.

• 41:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'll do the work.

• 41:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, so, yeah.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  Does anyone, um, does anyone follow David Bentley on Instagram? Or TikTok or whatever? He's doing it right.

• 42:01Speaker 04

  Right.

• 42:01Speaker 03

  He's doing retired footballer right.

• 42:03Speaker 04

  What does he do?

• 42:04Speaker 03

  Just fuck. He's, he's.

• 42:06Speaker 04

  Dicks about.

• 42:06Speaker 03

  He just dicks about. He's really, really funny.

• 42:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:09Speaker 03

  Uh, and he's not gone into coaching.

• 42:13Speaker 04

  No.

• 42:13Speaker 03

  He's not gone into management. He's not gone into punditry. He's just a retired footballer. It's going, I'm gonna fucking enjoy myself now.

• 42:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:21Speaker 03

  He's doing what, he is doing retired footballer right correctly.

• 42:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:27Speaker 03

  He's brilliant. He's, he's Instagram, his social media is great. Honestly, he's so surreal. He's like, really, he's like fucking Julian Barrett or something like that. Like, he is, he's bonkers. He's absolutely bonkers.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  That is, yeah, that is good, actually.

• 42:46Speaker 03

  He's into good music as well. I know that. I know that for a fact. He knows a band, uh, he's quite a big fan of a band, uh, that I quite like, um, called The Bracknell.

• 42:57Speaker 04

  Oh, nice.

• 42:58Speaker 03

  And he's well into them.

• 43:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:01Speaker 03

  Got to follow, um, David Bentley. But yeah, no, Lee Catamole, that is almost as bad as us saying Lee Sharp. Cause that felt a bit old when we were.

• 43:13Speaker 04

  Oh, you mean, is that on the, um?

• 43:15Speaker 03

  Is that like the third episode of The Inbetweeners or, no, it was like the first episode of The Inbetweeners or something? It's one of the early episodes. And we're, we're around a fruit machine.

• 43:26Speaker 04

  That's right. And they're, they're putting in a.

• 43:27Speaker 03

  And they're going, oh, it's gigs, put gigs. Oh, it was Lee Sharp. Do you know who Lee Sharp is?

• 43:33Speaker 02

  Lee Sharp? No. You know what? I was mentally thinking of Pat Sharp.

• 43:37Speaker 03

  Pat Sharp?

• 43:38Speaker 04

  Pat Sharp, yeah. Funhouse.

• 43:41Speaker 02

  I don't.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  Pat Sharp must be on Radio Three.

• 43:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, but yeah, he's everywhere.

• 43:45Speaker 04

  He'll be there.

• 43:45Speaker 03

  What's Pat Sharp doing right now?

• 43:48Speaker 04

  Hoping Funhouse comes back. That's a bit rude, actually. I'm sure he's doing loads. He's probably too, what? Not in a, I mean, no, you know what? Honestly, good luck to Pat Sharp. I hope he's, I hope he's, I loved Funhouse.

• 43:58Speaker 03

  Don't you worry about Pat Sharp. Pat Sharp's, Pat Sharp looks after Pat Sharp.

• 44:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 03

  Pat Sharp's fine, but they'd be, they'd, they'd bite his hands off.

• 44:07Speaker 04

  Yeah. Let's bring Funhouse back.

• 44:09Speaker 03

  Oh, God, yeah.

• 44:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:11Speaker 03

  You could do an adult version of it. You could do all people our age doing it.

• 44:16Speaker 04

  It was like a living board game.

• 44:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:19Speaker 04

  And I once saw it and the contestants didn't win the big prize at the end because they couldn't come up with three animals that had four legs.

• 44:27Speaker 04

  Which I did think they should have got that. Cause one of the animals they said was bird.

• 44:32Speaker 04

  And there was amazing where Pat Sharp was going. No.

• 44:35Speaker 03

  But we know that for a fact because Simon.

• 44:37Speaker 04

  But he was like, he was doing like producers and he was.

• 44:39Speaker 03

  Got two legs. That's the.

• 44:40Speaker 04

  Yes. Yes. And that's what they, that's what they meant as well.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  Four eyes.

• 44:45Speaker 04

  Well, their other answers were, um.

• 44:46Speaker 03

  Fucking nerd.

• 44:47Speaker 04

  Spooky little cunt.

• 44:50Speaker 04

  All right. Uh, uh, well, yeah, absolutely. It was good there. It was like Pat Sharp was like this sort of botanist. And he was like, okay, okay.

• 45:02Speaker 04

  I've, we can't have bird. They're wings. He said, Pat Sharp, I never thought Pat Sharp saying, I'm really sorry, they're wings. Could be such a melancholy moment, but it was like.

• 45:13Speaker 03

  Ah.

• 45:14Speaker 04

  They're wings. I'm really sorry, they're wings. And they would have lost that on a PlayStation or something as well.

• 45:19Speaker 03

  Oh, that'd have been heartbreaking.

• 45:21Speaker 04

  I bet it had a big ribbon on it as well. And then one, just given the.

• 45:25Speaker 03

  If I'd, if I'd, if I'd have got a little cuddle off of the twins, then I'd have been, I'd have been all right.

• 45:30Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 45:32Speaker 03

  They stirred some, and you had some confusing feelings.

• 45:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, they were, um.

• 45:40Speaker 04

  They were very much of their time. Did they have pigtails or something? They were sort of, they had a real sort of like Saved by the Bell kind of like. Yeah. No, I know what you mean. No, there was, let's just say it wasn't just the house.

• 45:53Speaker 03

  Gone.

• 45:53Speaker 04

  That was getting me interested in, I don't know, just didn't really.

• 45:57Speaker 03

  Wasn't the house that was the fun?

• 45:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:59Speaker 03

  There we go. Right. It's time for fact check.

• 46:04Speaker 03

  Where we'll be reading a fact or a question that you'd like us to get to the bottom of. Then we're going to have a good old think during the break and let you know how true it feels to us. And to decide whether it passes our fact checked, check.

• 46:17Speaker 04

  Okay, so this week's fact check.

• 46:20Speaker 03

  Our fact check.

• 46:21Speaker 04

  Okay, so this week's fucking fact check comes from Dave, who sent us a WhatsApp.

• 46:26Speaker 03

  No, don't.

• 46:27Speaker 04

  So they not like it? Is that, I was only doing, I was only doing.

• 46:31Speaker 03

  You're allowed to do any accents anymore.

• 46:33Speaker 04

  Not even Irish.

• 46:34Speaker 03

  You can do Irish, sure, but just a little bit. I don't want you to do the whole thing in Irish accent.

• 46:39Speaker 02

  I think you'll regret it.

• 46:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, it'd be, I'd.

• 46:42Speaker 04

  All right, fine.

• 46:42Speaker 03

  It would feel like too much work.

• 46:46Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 46:46Speaker 03

  Do you know what I mean?

• 46:47Speaker 04

  I'm just gonna do it my own voice.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:48Speaker 04

  Okay, so this week's fact check comes from Dave, who sent us a WhatsApp to say, hey fellas, this is Dave and I'm messaging from Beijing in China. What are you doing over there?

• 46:57Speaker 02

  We've got to pause because Pete's just flagged that this week's fact check you actually did last week. And I didn't know because I wasn't here.

• 47:04Speaker 03

  No, I don't remember that.

• 47:05Speaker 04

  No, it's true. Pete gave this one to you as your fact.

• 47:08Speaker 03

  No way.

• 47:09Speaker 04

  We're not just doing it again?

• 47:12Speaker 04

  Do we do it again?

• 47:12Speaker 02

  Then I'd be a bit mad.

• 47:17Speaker 03

  Is that how, where you saw the fact, Pete?

• 47:19Speaker 04

  Oh, God, you know what? Also, I read this through before we came on. I noticed this. I just didn't tell anyone.

• 47:24Speaker 02

  Brilliant.

• 47:24Speaker 04

  Sorry.

• 47:26Speaker 03

  Right, so we've had to change this week's fact check because it was actually my.

• 47:30Speaker 04

  It was your fact from last week.

• 47:32Speaker 03

  Which is just a coincidence.

• 47:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:35Speaker 03

  We're not, we're not.

• 47:36Speaker 04

  It was a fact.

• 47:37Speaker 03

  We're not reading your facts that you send in and passing us, passing them on as our own.

• 47:41Speaker 04

  No, we're not doing that. We're not.

• 47:42Speaker 03

  We don't do that here on this show.

• 47:44Speaker 04

  No, we don't. Because, um, actually, once there's plagiarism.

• 47:49Speaker 03

  Ellie Brenham?

• 47:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:51Speaker 03

  Brennan?

• 47:52Speaker 02

  Brennan.

• 47:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  Okay, there's a, there's a new fact in there.

• 47:56Speaker 03

  Okay, we've got a new fact.

• 47:57Speaker 04

  So, um, so actually, um, this week's fact check comes from Katie.

• 48:02Speaker 03

  You're gonna do an accent?

• 48:04Speaker 04

  Uh, well, I'm gonna do it as Katie.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  Okay, go on then.

• 48:07Speaker 04

  Oh, hello. No, right, um.

• 48:12Speaker 04

  Okay, hold on.

• 48:15Speaker 04

  This is her WhatsApp.

• 48:17Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 48:17Speaker 03

  She's Sarah Milligan.

• 48:18Speaker 04

  My fave fact.

• 48:21Speaker 04

  My fave fact is. I'll just do it my own voice.

• 48:25Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 48:26Speaker 02

  Quite like what you're doing there.

• 48:27Speaker 04

  Okay. I was trying to do like a.

• 48:28Speaker 03

  That's a weird character thing that we do on set.

• 48:32Speaker 04

  I mean, uh, uh, is it, would we, um?

• 48:37Speaker 03

  It's a damn shame.

• 48:38Speaker 04

  Damn shame.

• 48:39Speaker 03

  I heard that Squibby bought it in Indonesia.

• 48:42Speaker 04

  Um, well, he was, well, he'd.

• 48:47Speaker 03

  Squibber went to Kenya and he never came back. We were weird.

• 48:51Speaker 04

  He got him, he got himself in a bit of bother. And, uh, well. He wasn't able to wriggle out a bit. I think his brother's over there now tidying everything up. But they've managed to keep it out.

• 49:06Speaker 03

  Funny, isn't it? I don't know why it's funny, but we'd do that for hours.

• 49:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:09Speaker 03

  Me and Joe.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  I'd enjoy it, yeah. The spin off podcast, though.

• 49:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:13Speaker 03

  Anyway, what's Katie got to say?

• 49:15Speaker 04

  Okay, so this week's.

• 49:16Speaker 03

  What did Katie do next? Is that a libertine song?

• 49:20Speaker 04

  Uh, what Katie did.

• 49:22Speaker 03

  What Katie did.

• 49:24Speaker 04

  This week's fact check comes from Katie.

• 49:26Speaker 03

  I prefer my title of that song. What did Katie do next?

• 49:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like, what's it, um?

• 49:33Speaker 03

  It's like a children's book.

• 49:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:35Speaker 03

  No, go on. What's she saying? Sorry, Joe.

• 49:38Speaker 04

  Uh, so, uh, the fact check this week comes from Katie, uh, and she has sent us a WhatsApp to say. My fave fact is, if you look around the room, it does not matter what you look at, but guaranteed your brain will know what it would feel like on your tongue if you licked it. Honestly, try it. Incredible. Cheers, Katie.

• 49:58Speaker 04

  Wow. Okay, so.

• 50:00Speaker 03

  I'm looking at you, Joe.

• 50:01Speaker 04

  Well, I've, um.

• 50:03Speaker 03

  Sweet light chocolate.

• 50:05Speaker 04

  How she got inside my head.

• 50:07Speaker 03

  Mama mia. That's a spicy meatball. Right, what, um, I have got, to be honest, I am looking around the room at stuff.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  Do you wanna go to the break?

• 50:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, let's go to the break. We'll go to the break and then we'll talk about this.

• 50:19Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 50:27Speaker 00

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• 51:01Speaker 03

  Right, welcome back to Joe and James Fact Up. We were just fact-checking on behalf of Katie, who wants to know if your brain would know what something would feel like on your tongue just from looking at it. Now, during the ad break there, Joe-

• 51:12Speaker 04

  It's a very interesting thought.

• 51:13Speaker 03

  It's not, is it?

• 51:16Speaker 04

  Um-

• 51:16Speaker 03

  I'd argue it isn't. But, I like your positive attitude.

• 51:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:23Speaker 03

  But I'm looking around the room, looking at like cameras and lights and stuff, and I cannot imagine what they'd taste like.

• 51:30Speaker 04

  I think, I can, I can see that there's a kind of-

• 51:34Speaker 03

  Now I'm worried I've got a neurological thing. If this is a thing that everyone can do, I can promise you now, I can't.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  I can imagine it, I mean, I-

• 51:42Speaker 03

  Here's something for you, I was just about to drink some water. What does that taste like? And that's on my tongue. And I don't even know what that tastes like. I couldn't tell you what water tastes like.

• 51:51Speaker 02

  Do you know what it feels like?

• 51:53Speaker 03

  Water? Spunk. Feels like spunk. It's very similar, don't you think, Joe?

• 52:01Speaker 04

  I think you're muddling up with looking at me.

• 52:02Speaker 03

  Oh, sorry.

• 52:04Speaker 04

  Um, it would, well, she says what it would feel like. No, I, I, I do sort of, I think it's-

• 52:10Speaker 03

  Oh, she's saying what it would feel like?

• 52:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:12Speaker 03

  No, I can't do that either.

• 52:15Speaker 04

  I, uh, I know what, I know, actually, I do know what Katie means. I would say that it's a-

• 52:22Speaker 03

  This is the weirdest episode we've done so far.

• 52:27Speaker 04

  I would say that it is a necessary part of being an animal on planet Earth that-

• 52:36Speaker 03

  To be able to preempt stuff.

• 52:37Speaker 04

  You do, yeah, you, and yeah, I mean, I'll tell you what, I, I, um-

• 52:41Speaker 03

  To intuitively sort of, uh, just sort of, if something's a danger or something like that.

• 52:46Speaker 04

  Do you want to hear a little mind-blown quote?

• 52:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, please.

• 52:48Speaker 04

  This is from, um-

• 52:49Speaker 03

  Who's it from?

• 52:50Speaker 04

  A writer that I have spent some time reading called Ray Kurzweil. He's a, he's a futurist, no other way around that.

• 52:58Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 52:59Speaker 04

  Um, uh, and Kurzweil, or might be Kurzweil, no, it's Kurzweil, it will be Kurzweil. And he said-

• 53:07Speaker 03

  He's a Kurzweil?

• 53:08Speaker 04

  Well, he's interesting, you know Kurzweil synthesizers? Have you ever seen that? He makes synthesizers, but then he became like, he was basically an early prophet of AI, essentially.

• 53:17Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 53:18Speaker 04

  And that's, I was trying to read him. Um, but he said, "The main reason we have a brain is to be able to predict the future."

• 53:25Speaker 04

  How's it like that?

• 53:26Speaker 03

  Um, you built it up a bit, I'll be honest with you, Joe.

• 53:30Speaker 04

  I think that's pretty mind-blowing, because, so in a sense, what we're, and this speaks to that. It's like, what we're doing is we're trying to anticipate what the future is going to be like. And so if you look at something, I think it absolutely makes sense that you would have an opinion, not only about what it would feel like if you touched it with your tongue, but what it would feel like if you ran into it. Like, whether it's hot or cold. Your brain is obviously trying to make these judgments all the time, because it's trying to say, you know, should I, should I go over there and, um, engage with that thing in, in some way? Or, or should I not? Would it be nice? Would it be, would it burn me? Will it, uh, will it, will it poison me?

• 54:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:11Speaker 04

  Um, so yeah, I mean, I suppose if I, if I look at that chair, I can think, yeah, that would, that would have a sort of a bitter taste, just in terms of stuff that does-

• 54:19Speaker 03

  It's feel, Katie's asking feel.

• 54:21Speaker 04

  Feel, okay, feel, okay, feel. Well, here's an interesting thing about tongues.

• 54:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:23Speaker 04

  Did you ever used to do a thing, and I don't know what the fuck it was made of, but when I was at school, the blade of a pencil sharpener, if you put your tongue on that, it had a little fizzy taste. Do you ever, do you ever notice that?

• 54:36Speaker 03

  No.

• 54:36Speaker 04

  Is it zinc?

• 54:38Speaker 03

  I don't know, Joe, I didn't lick it, I didn't lick pencil sharpeners.

• 54:42Speaker 04

  It was really like, a little jolt. I used to do such weird stuff at school, I also used to try and, um-

• 54:47Speaker 03

  Why would you put your tongue near a blade?

• 54:49Speaker 04

  Bored, bored. I don't want to try to cut my tongue, I, it was on the, it was like putting your, um, uh, it was like putting your tongue on like the, the back of a razor blade or something. It wasn't, it wasn't dangerous.

• 55:01Speaker 03

  I know, but you did it, I, I-

• 55:03Speaker 04

  Just bored.

• 55:04Speaker 03

  I'd be like, oh, let's not muck about with that at all.

• 55:08Speaker 04

  Well, you know, I suppose, I suppose what I'm saying is I'm, I'm a bit of a-

• 55:12Speaker 03

  Maverick. A bit of a renegade, isn't it?

• 55:14Speaker 04

  You know those characters you see with a helmet on, on a skateboard? That's like me. I'm out there-

• 55:20Speaker 03

  A skateboarder?

• 55:22Speaker 04

  A skateboarder, yeah.

• 55:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:23Speaker 04

  But, but I'm talking about tricks as well.

• 55:25Speaker 03

  Right.

• 55:26Speaker 04

  I'm not just going to work, this is my work. Spreading tricks.

• 55:32Speaker 04

  Let me, what are, what are pencil sharpener blades made of?

• 55:35Speaker 03

  Metal.

• 55:37Speaker 04

  No.

• 55:37Speaker 03

  It'd be steel or something.

• 55:39Speaker 04

  It's not steel.

• 55:41Speaker 04

  We're gonna have our answer in a minute.

• 55:42Speaker 03

  It's some sort of forged-

• 55:43Speaker 02

  Did you ever manage to walk on a dead leg?

• 55:46Speaker 04

  Well, no, you sort of, you topple over, like, it's, um, you'd have to walk out.

• 55:52Speaker 04

  It felt like a big club. You'd have a leg, it was like, ogg, ogg, ogg. And honestly, you could have cut into it, it wouldn't have hurt.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  And so, speaking of pencil sharpeners, and-

• 56:02Speaker 03

  So did you punch your tongue before you licked the sharpener?

• 56:06Speaker 04

  Dead tongue.

• 56:07Speaker 03

  Did you give yourself a dead tongue?

• 56:08Speaker 04

  Dead tongue gang.

• 56:11Speaker 04

  I don't think you can. I would have tried, if you had a thought, if I had thought you could, I would have tried it.

• 56:15Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 56:16Speaker 02

  So, um, metals like magnesium, um, aluminium, solid brass. There's this sort of-

• 56:24Speaker 04

  Say it again? What is magnesium, was it?

• 56:26Speaker 02

  Magnesium, yeah, aluminium, brass.

• 56:29Speaker 04

  Magnesium, it would have been magnesium. That's got a bit of fizz.

• 56:33Speaker 02

  Uh, sometimes stainless steel or carbon steel.

• 56:37Speaker 04

  So, I don't know what carbon steel is, but, but, I also, I don't, I have to say it doesn't matter.

• 56:42Speaker 03

  Carbon steel. It'll have-

• 56:43Speaker 04

  Doesn't matter.

• 56:44Speaker 03

  Well, it'll have carbon in it, won't it?

• 56:47Speaker 02

  I reckon so.

• 56:49Speaker 04

  It doesn't matter to me, because I don't think it's what the blade was made out of.

• 56:52Speaker 02

  Well, that's, it does say that's what blades are made out of, so-

• 56:54Speaker 04

  But not on, not in this case.

• 56:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 56:58Speaker 03

  Okay, what is Katie, you want to know?

• 56:59Speaker 04

  Well, is this true?

• 56:59Speaker 03

  So about your fucking tongue.

• 57:01Speaker 04

  I think, to be honest, I think it's, it's not, what is it?

• 57:05Speaker 04

  I'm willing to say, I, I think it has a lot of, um, uh, it makes a lot of sense to me. I think the brain preempts all the time.

• 57:12Speaker 03

  Mine doesn't.

• 57:13Speaker 04

  What? Okay. But also, sometimes you can get things, um, you can get things wrong. You would not have known, the first time I put my tongue on that blade, that it was gonna have such, that it was gonna be such a fantastic experience.

• 57:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:28Speaker 04

  But, um, uh, I must leave it a review, actually.

• 57:33Speaker 03

  So you're-

• 57:34Speaker 02

  We, we should not encourage anyone to be doing that, Joe.

• 57:36Speaker 03

  Absolutely, all right.

• 57:37Speaker 04

  Okay, fine.

• 57:38Speaker 03

  But also, through your own-

• 57:40Speaker 04

  I'm all right.

• 57:41Speaker 03

  Experience, you, you're saying, oh, it's wrong.

• 57:43Speaker 04

  I heard a thing on another podcast where, so this is an example of how like, we do rely on anticipation quite a lot, where somebody was in India and the lift doors in the building they were in were closing, and, um, they just stood in front of them. Because you know if you open a, if you stand in front of a lift door, it goes, and it goes back again?

• 58:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:03Speaker 04

  And in India, the lifts just don't do that.

• 58:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, they don't, they don't do them in, do that in this building sometimes.

• 58:09Speaker 04

  So all the other people are like, what the fuck are you doing? Because it was just like, she was just like stepping into a road and being like, I think the cars just stop. And it's like, well, they don't.

• 58:16Speaker 03

  No.

• 58:16Speaker 04

  So anticipation can, you know, mislead you, but, but I do think that, if I look around now, I can, I imagine what things would feel like.

• 58:24Speaker 03

  But again, that's from experience, that's from experience.

• 58:26Speaker 04

  But the point of, yeah, so I'm not, yeah, you know, well, that's another question. Is there even such a thing as imagination? Or is it, is it just experience? I mean, are you ever really, well, I mean, you need to disguise it a little bit better than, um, you know, don't literally just steal facts from another person's show.

• 58:44Speaker 04

  But yes, probably, with all this AI, we are realising, it doesn't have an imagination, but it more or less does, because it's just got loads of experience. And in a sense, all of it, it's wall-to-wall plagiarism. Everything that an AI does is plagiarism, but it's so incredibly complex, we can't trace it.

• 59:02Speaker 03

  Right, I don't want you to talk about AI.

• 59:04Speaker 04

  And then maybe the human brain is, and I'm just, so, so what I'm saying is, it's not-

• 59:07Speaker 03

  I'm bored now, and I'm making it.

• 59:11Speaker 04

  All AI is doing is really anticipating what word comes next. And obviously, that's based on a huge amount of data that it's had beforehand. It's not really just imagining it, it's saying, what's the most likely thing to be next? And, um, that's what this is like, so I say, it is kind of a fact.

• 59:29Speaker 03

  Well, I'm gonna go with Joe. Joe says it's a fact.

• 59:32Speaker 04

  I don't even know whether we can look this up because it seems more like, do you feel this?

• 59:36Speaker 03

  Well, let's ask the Queen.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  Well, I've done a little bit of looking and I would say there's not um a large amount of research on this. So I would take this with a pinch of salt. However.

• 59:47Speaker 04

  Oh, salty. Do you know what I mean?

• 59:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, but that's taste.

• 59:52Speaker 04

  I keep saying taste, don't I?

• 59:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, I got, I was getting confused with taste to begin with as well because that makes more sense. Katie, who's written to us from whatever fucking asylum that she's in, wants to know if your tongue, if you can imagine what something would feel like on your tongue.

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  There is, there is a creator called AJ on, on Instagram.

• 1:00:15Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 1:00:16Speaker 03

  AJ, AJ, AJ the creator.

• 1:00:18Speaker 04

  AJ the creator, yeah.

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  AJ the creator. Uh, I can, I basically, he seems to be, and I don't know where he is.

• 1:00:24Speaker 03

  Doesn't he do the big boom thing?

• 1:00:26Speaker 02

  The what, sorry?

• 1:00:27Speaker 03

  He gives things big booms.

• 1:00:29Speaker 02

  Big booms?

• 1:00:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, five big booms, boom, boom, boom.

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  He might do. I'm not aware of if AJ is doing that.

• 1:00:35Speaker 03

  I think he's called AJ. I think they're called like Dad and AJ or something.

• 1:00:40Speaker 02

  Oh, this is not Dad and AJ. This is aspire a journey.

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  Right, okay.

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  And he has put out a video, which is what I'm wondering whether Katie has seen, suggesting that the brain uses mental stimulation um and cross modal perception. So basically it does use things like visual cues, texture, shape with past uh sensory memories.

• 1:01:02Speaker 04

  Well, that's some pretty hot shit for Instagram, mate.

• 1:01:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  Um, so it is like a prediction based on your past experiences, but also your perception of texture and shape.

• 1:01:12Speaker 03

  I think, uh, well.

• 1:01:14Speaker 04

  I think it's fact.

• 1:01:15Speaker 03

  We, we've said it's fact.

• 1:01:17Speaker 04

  To be honest, it's more just an idea for a hobby, as far as I can tell.

• 1:01:19Speaker 03

  I'm happy to just say it's fact just to move on. I'll be honest with you.

• 1:01:22Speaker 04

  Okay, I'm more pro this. I don't have a problem with it and you might find some delicious surprises, like the magnesium um blade, the safe bit.

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  I do wonder if it's got any like links to, is it stenosisia where people can like taste colours or?

• 1:01:37Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:37Speaker 02

  Or let us associate things.

• 1:01:39Speaker 04

  When they hear music, they see colours.

• 1:01:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  So it might, it might be a thing that some people have, that some people don't. But I would say there's not clear enough research on it.

• 1:01:47Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:01:47Speaker 03

  Well, we'll, we'll.

• 1:01:48Speaker 04

  There's no reason not to try it.

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  We'll do some more research into it. Anyway, Joe, I think we've um touched on a nerve.

• 1:01:57Speaker 03

  Because James has written to us via the Fact Up WhatsApp. James says, all right, guys, were you aware that YouGov ran a poll on whether you could throw a naan or a baguette further?

• 1:02:09Speaker 04

  Is a poll the best way of?

• 1:02:13Speaker 04

  Well, just, because people don't know, do they?

• 1:02:17Speaker 03

  I think when some, I think some stuff does come down to opinion. I think polls are good.

• 1:02:24Speaker 04

  But if, but if it's like the hundred metre sprint, they're not like, who thinks they'd, what time do you think you could do?

• 1:02:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, but you can. The, the idea of a poll is to find out what people think.

• 1:02:35Speaker 04

  Okay, I just want to see what they think. Okay, fine. To be honest, it's fine. I don't want to have a go at it.

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  Have they get, I don't know either.

• 1:02:40Speaker 04

  Sorry.

• 1:02:41Speaker 03

  Have we, have they given us the result at all?

• 1:02:43Speaker 02

  I can, I can give you the results. I just.

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  All right.

• 1:02:46Speaker 02

  If you wanted to finish reading the message.

• 1:02:47Speaker 03

  I reckon, um, so James says, were you aware that YouGov run a poll, ran a poll, on whether you could throw a naan or a baguette further? He also goes on to say, I think that means that you, you guys are part of the cultural zeitgeist. Love the pod. Keep it up from James.

• 1:03:03Speaker 04

  That's really nice.

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  It's nice. Nice being part of the zeitgeist. I'd say ironically, the word zeitgeist isn't really part of the zeitgeist anymore.

• 1:03:13Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 1:03:13Speaker 03

  People really say that much. Um, but

• 1:03:19Speaker 03

  before we get the poll results from Queen Lily May, I'm saying naan, you could frisbee it.

• 1:03:26Speaker 04

  Um.

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  I think the frisbee goes further than the jelly.

• 1:03:28Speaker 04

  I think the baguette's not as good as you think it is.

• 1:03:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:33Speaker 04

  At this.

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:34Speaker 04

  It's great bread.

• 1:03:35Speaker 03

  Good, good bread.

• 1:03:36Speaker 04

  But if it's, well, I mean, is it, I think it honestly depends on how stale it was. I mean, if I had someone who said, you've, to me, you've got to throw a baguette, I'd say, not yet.

• 1:03:47Speaker 03

  No, but they're always crusty on the outside anyway.

• 1:03:50Speaker 04

  I've seen some soft ones though.

• 1:03:52Speaker 03

  Seen some soft.

• 1:03:53Speaker 04

  Sometimes I actually quite.

• 1:03:54Speaker 03

  Soft outside?

• 1:03:55Speaker 04

  Well, softer. I mean, but what you, what you want is a one that's basically been sat around for like five days and is.

• 1:04:03Speaker 03

  Then throw it.

• 1:04:04Speaker 04

  Then throw it.

• 1:04:05Speaker 03

  Do you use sho- shoelaces?

• 1:04:07Speaker 04

  Shoelaces.

• 1:04:09Speaker 03

  Bloody no. Right, what, um?

• 1:04:11Speaker 02

  So the, the poll um ran it against over 5,000 adults in, in the UK. Uh, and the results were 51% went for the baguette.

• 1:04:24Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  Uh, 36% went for the naan bread.

• 1:04:28Speaker 03

  I didn't know there was a third option.

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  And 13%, just said, I don't know.

• 1:04:32Speaker 03

  Oh, I don't know if I don't know as a fucking.

• 1:04:34Speaker 04

  Jesus Christ. What are these gonna happen?

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:04:38Speaker 04

  They're not gonna come for you.

• 1:04:39Speaker 03

  But also no one knows.

• 1:04:41Speaker 04

  Fucking answer.

• 1:04:42Speaker 03

  No one knows. It's meant to be just.

• 1:04:43Speaker 04

  No wonder no one votes. Jesus, well, they wouldn't even get involved in that.

• 1:04:46Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:04:47Speaker 04

  Oh, I don't know. Oh, I don't like to get involved in politics. Jesus Christ.

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  Um, they did break it down into regions, gender, politics, age and social grade, if you would like some breakdowns.

• 1:05:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, always.

• 1:05:01Speaker 02

  What are you interested in? Um.

• 1:05:03Speaker 04

  Region?

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  Region, okay. So here we go. Uh, in London, 53% of people went with uh baguette.

• 1:05:11Speaker 04

  Was baguette the overall winner?

• 1:05:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:05:13Speaker 04

  That's mental for a start. There's.

• 1:05:15Speaker 03

  Fifty, 51%.

• 1:05:16Speaker 04

  51?

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  Only 31% said naan bread and baguette.

• 1:05:19Speaker 04

  London is.

• 1:05:20Speaker 02

  And 16% said I don't know in London, so above average.

• 1:05:24Speaker 04

  What the fuck?

• 1:05:26Speaker 03

  Londoners don't really know anything.

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  Uh, and they were the most confident in a baguette as well with 53%. The least confident in a baguette were Scotland and Wales, both at 49%.

• 1:05:36Speaker 04

  Okay, so in Scotland and Wales, it's the other way.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. Uh, but, but.

• 1:05:40Speaker 03

  It's the further you get away from France.

• 1:05:43Speaker 04

  Good point.

• 1:05:44Speaker 02

  Well, what I will.

• 1:05:46Speaker 04

  But you would do like, you know, this, this is supposed to be the old alliance, Scotland and.

• 1:05:50Speaker 03

  You go Scotland and Wales, they're going, no, not the baguette, not for me.

• 1:05:53Speaker 02

  No, what I will say is every, everyone has gone for baguette over naan bread, but.

• 1:05:58Speaker 03

  Soon as you get to Ireland.

• 1:05:59Speaker 04

  Scotland and Wales.

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  Scotland and Wales have got the least majority. So it's still a majority.

• 1:06:03Speaker 04

  Forty-nine and then you've got a, oh, good, because it's not 51, 49, is it? It's 51, 36 and then these people. I don't know.

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:06:12Speaker 03

  I would just.

• 1:06:12Speaker 04

  You know, I mean, actually, no, I've.

• 1:06:14Speaker 03

  Wasted everyone's time there.

• 1:06:15Speaker 04

  Maybe, to be honest, obviously you don't know.

• 1:06:19Speaker 03

  No, that's what I mean. It's the, it's the what do you think?

• 1:06:23Speaker 04

  Do you know what you think?

• 1:06:24Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:06:25Speaker 04

  Do you know what you think?

• 1:06:26Speaker 03

  I know, that's what you're asking.

• 1:06:27Speaker 04

  What do you think?

• 1:06:28Speaker 03

  Do you not know what you think?

• 1:06:29Speaker 04

  Oh, I don't know.

• 1:06:30Speaker 03

  I don't know what I think. That's the answer that people are saying. I don't know what I think. You don't know what you think.

• 1:06:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:37Speaker 03

  You must do.

• 1:06:38Speaker 04

  You must. That's the only thing you do know.

• 1:06:40Speaker 02

  A woman's more likely to think uh a baguette, 50, 54%.

• 1:06:45Speaker 03

  They're always thinking of baguettes.

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  Whereas men were 48s.

• 1:06:49Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:06:50Speaker 02

  And then we have age group, their youngest age demographic, 18 to 24, they've got the highest percentage of baguette answerers, but 61%.

• 1:06:59Speaker 03

  Again.

• 1:07:00Speaker 04

  Young.

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  And they have the least amount of I don't knows.

• 1:07:03Speaker 04

  Okay, so the young, they're, all right.

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  They've got a lot of confidence.

• 1:07:06Speaker 04

  Young people have got.

• 1:07:08Speaker 03

  Got a bit about them.

• 1:07:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:09Speaker 02

  I don't want to sag off all people again, but 23% of 65 pluses said I don't know.

• 1:07:15Speaker 03

  Jeez. To be fair, they probably don't know. They probably don't know what they're thinking. Anyway, Joe, I'm all fact out.

• 1:07:21Speaker 04

  I'm fact out.

• 1:07:22Speaker 03

  I am fact out and we've got to record another episode after this. We hope that you've learnt something.

• 1:07:28Speaker 04

  I'm crashing now as well.

• 1:07:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:07:30Speaker 04

  We have to do another one?

• 1:07:31Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, no, we've got to do one more. Um, we'll be back next week armed with more facts, chats, moles and cats. And don't forget that you can get in touch with us if you'd like us to fact check something that feels true to you or with whatever nonsense you'd like to tell us. Um, our email is hello at joandjamespod.com. Our WhatsApp is O two, no, our WhatsApp is O seven eight two two zero three four three three zero. Or you can follow us on social media at joandjamespod. Head to the description if you didn't understand any of those words. Bye, guys. We'll see you next week. Bye.