Are There *Only* Three Foods in the World?

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• 0:32Speaker 01

  Here we go again, Joe.

• 0:33Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  Oh dear.

• 0:36Speaker 02

  Do you want to hear my emergency thought?

• 0:38Speaker 01

  I suppose. We've all been waiting for it since last week.

• 0:41Speaker 02

  You know, um, when you put down a multi-adaptor, you know, when you have, want to turn a plug socket into four plug sockets?

• 0:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:51Speaker 02

  So you plug something in and then it's got a wire, then it's got like a long rectangle at the end with four plug sockets.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:57Speaker 02

  When you like throw that down, do you ever feel a bit like you're throwing down like the ghost trapper from Ghostbusters?

• 1:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05Speaker 02

  You go.

• 1:07Speaker 01

  I know exactly what you're talking about.

• 1:08Speaker 02

  Do you know what I mean? I feel like a bit of a dude when I'm putting that down.

• 1:11Speaker 01

  I had one of those.

• 1:12Speaker 02

  The ghost trapper?

• 1:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I had the backpack and stuff.

• 1:17Speaker 02

  It's a good film, isn't it?

• 1:18Speaker 01

  I loved Ghostbusters when I was a kid. I had all the toys. I had the car. I had the, I had the firehouse.

• 1:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24Speaker 01

  Fuck, man. Should have kept hold of that stuff. I've still got the car. Still got the car, actually.

• 1:31Speaker 02

  It's funny. I am, I think I didn't realise how it was, because when I was, because it's a comedy, right? It's just straightforwardly a comedy. It's not. But like, it took me a while to realise as a kid that it was a comedy.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  No, it's really funny. There's a bit where Dan Aykroyd, I think they're walking through the library and he goes, listen, you smell that? That made me laugh. That made me laugh so much.

• 1:58Speaker 02

  And there's a good bit where, like, they've tried to take down a ghost and they're walking away and it hasn't gone well. And they're going, get her. That was your entire plan. Get her.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  But yeah, no.

• 2:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  The only thing that disappointed me with my toy version of the Ghostbusters backpack protoplasm, what are they called?

• 2:20Speaker 02

  Um.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Proto guns or something like that, was that obviously in the film, they have all this electric stuff coming out of it and it looks really cool and stuff. In the toy version, it was a piece of yellow foam.

• 2:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  Like a long cylinder, yellow foam that you just sort of wiggled about.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  And I was like, this looks shit. I'm just gonna use my imagination.

• 2:48Speaker 02

  I'll tell you what, if you were using your imagination, that really is a shit toy.

• 2:53Speaker 01

  I had a mental imagination when I was a kid.

• 2:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I haven't seen like the new, the new Ghostbusters films.

• 3:00Speaker 01

  They're fun. Oh, I'll tell you something. The first.

• 3:02Speaker 02

  I think I'm so bad at just seeing new stuff. I'm basically.

• 3:06Speaker 01

  You'll get around to it.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  There's no fucking, there's no use by date with films.

• 3:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  You just get around to it.

• 3:14Speaker 02

  Often, it's like 20 years have passed before I even.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, some stuff I'm like, God, I can't believe I've still not watched that. I need to, I need to watch that. Do you know what? I've tried to watch Schindler's List a few times, but I feel like I need to be in a happy mood to try and watch that.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  I've like watched the, the first sort of scene.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  And it's the bloke and he's just like standing by the window or whatever. And I'm like, oh, this is too heavy for me right now.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  It's the same with me with Afterlife. I'm sure Afterlife is great. I'm sure it's absolutely brilliant, but it just kicks off with a bloke like losing his wife or whatever. And I'm just like, oh no, that's like one of my biggest fears. I can't.

• 3:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I watched something at my parents' house where a little girl died and I was like, this is fucking horrible. And like, when I was a teenager, I was utterly numb to everything. I was just like, whatever, ridiculous. Like, people were crying. This is made up. That's a, that's, I would have just been like, that's an act. What the fuck are you doing? But actually.

• 4:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:14Speaker 02

  Um, and also it was, because it was based on like, um, I know that it was, it was based on a fact, a little girl who actually did die in real life. So you're like, wow.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  I did cry watching the, um, watching the first of the most more recent Ghostbuster films.

• 4:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 4:33Speaker 01

  Because we were talking about that.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  Um, because there's a bit where Harold Ramis.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  They bring him back as a ghost.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  Because one of the characters is his grandchild or something like that. Obviously, he, the actual guy is dead now.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  Um, and I was just like, and it was, it was a, it was a nod. It was a nod to the fact that not only is the character dead, but the guy.

• 4:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Um, that I think he directed.

• 5:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, Harold Ramis and Dan Aykroyd are the writers.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  I think. So because you, like, Bill Murray feels like, in a sense, the sort of presiding spirit of those.

• 5:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:09Speaker 02

  Those first Ghostbusters films, but I think it was actually, yeah, Aykroyd and.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  But that, that whole.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  So Ramis is the, the guy with the glasses.

• 5:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  Who's like.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  Egon.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Egon Spengler.

• 5:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  But it's genuinely.

• 5:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  And that, that, those, the first two Ghostbusters films were like, one of my handful of go-to films that I'd always put, stick in the VCR and, uh, and watch.

• 5:40Speaker 02

  It's such a good.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  I mean, it genuinely got choked up when I, when I watched that. There's a little scene where he comes back as a ghost and everyone's like, oh.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Sad. Sad he's not here anymore.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is. Yeah. The passage of time.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  Bill Murray seems like a lunatic though, doesn't he?

• 5:57Speaker 02

  Doesn't have an agent and so on.

• 5:58Speaker 01

  Doesn't have an agent.

• 5:59Speaker 02

  That does seem a bit mental. I mean, like.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  I think he only like turned up on the day. Like Dan Aykroyd and Harold Ramis are like trying to make this film and stuff. And they're like, oh, we'll get our mate Bill involved. And he's like, yeah, yeah, whatever. And then they can't really get in touch with him. And then they don't know if he's, they said like, we're making this film. Are you gonna be there? And then it was like, we don't know if Bill Murray's gonna be. And it was like the day of film. He's like, all right, I'm here. What, what are you all worried about?

• 6:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  Usually with films, you have like a read-through and stuff.

• 6:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  And then you have like costume fittings and things and everyone knows exactly when you see the people before they, they start the film and stuff. But Bill Murray's a bit, I think he's a bit like, sort of, you know, hey, whatever, man.

• 6:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, yeah, I can, I can sort of, I don't know what I think of that because in one way, it's sort of, obviously he's like, well, why, why do we need to worry so much?

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:55Speaker 02

  But then actually it's like, well, you probably have, the other people probably, in a, in a sense, you've transferred the worry from you to other people. They probably, I mean.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  His point is like, I'll come in, do the film. I'll be brilliant.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  I suppose, I suppose maybe his point is, you know, I've given you my word, I'll do it. And I did do it. I mean, if, if there had been experiences in the past where he said he was gonna do it and then didn't turn up, then maybe you could say, well, you know, that's a problem.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I don't think he's ever done anything like that.

• 7:21Speaker 02

  No, yeah, I suppose, yeah, well, all right, yeah. Not having an agent seems, I mean, I'm a nobody and I have an agent.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  I know.

• 7:29Speaker 02

  And also there's, and even my nobody career generates enough paperwork that it would be a bit of a car crash if I didn't have an agent.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 7:39Speaker 02

  Whereas somebody that.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  Maybe he's got a manager.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  Oh, I see. Yeah. Because in America, they divide it up, don't they?

• 7:46Speaker 01

  Maybe he's got a manager, but.

• 7:47Speaker 02

  Also, they love dividing stuff up, don't they?

• 7:48Speaker 01

  If you are, if you are, um.

• 7:50Speaker 02

  Division of powers.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. Manager, agent, lawyer.

• 7:53Speaker 02

  Lawyer.

• 7:54Speaker 01

  Your lawyer works on your deal and takes a percentage.

• 7:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  I remember I was doing, when I was doing that, I was doing this TV show, this sitcom in America. I was like, fucking hell, the money I'm on. And then by the time.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  Everyone got their fucking little hands in my pocket.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  Because you've got a British agent as well. You've got an American agent, manager, lawyer. It's like, oh, right. Well, glad you, glad I did all that work for you guys.

• 8:20Speaker 02

  It feels like a sort of a big, like.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  But if you're Bill Murray, again, it's like, apparently he's got a phone number you can call and you leave a message or something and he will eventually get around to listening to it or something. I don't know. But if you're Bill Murray's, he must be like, well, you know, I am and you know what I can do. So if you want me to do it, yeah, call this number and if I want to do it, I'll let you know. It doesn't have to be complicated. It's our level. We need people saying things like, have you considered James for this part?

• 8:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:48Speaker 01

  No, we haven't. Why would we?

• 8:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Well, maybe you could.

• 8:52Speaker 02

  Have you considered Joe? Yeah, no, he'll be, he'll be better than that. Yeah. No, don't look at, no, he's improved since then. That sort of thing.

• 9:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:00Speaker 02

  Do you know what I mean? That's, that's the kind of, um, that's the kind of thing I imagine my agent saying. I don't, I don't, do you ever think about what your agent's saying about you?

• 9:10Speaker 01

  I say.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  It's a horrible thought.

• 9:11Speaker 01

  I say things to my agent all the time.

• 9:14Speaker 02

  Thinking about what they're saying about you.

• 9:15Speaker 01

  I remember when I got with my agent that I'm with now, I was almost saying, I was just saying things like, we went for a meeting. They were interested in representing me. And I was saying things like, I think it's really hard being my agent. I think it's really, like, you're gonna have to, like, it's gonna be almost impossible to get me work. It's really, really difficult.

• 9:39Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  And they were going, no, love a challenge.

• 9:43Speaker 02

  Oh, that's nice. So they weren't saying they agreed. They were like, yeah, no, we know. That's, yeah.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  I don't know. It's up to you. Don't say I didn't warn you.

• 9:52Speaker 02

  It'll be our Everest.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:53Speaker 02

  Getting you.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  What's Katie turned up with? Joe wants some sweets.

• 9:57Speaker 02

  You want me sweets?

• 9:59Speaker 01

  What have we got? Fangtastic.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. Amazing. Oh, yeah. Can I?

• 10:01Speaker 01

  Jelly babies. I might take a jelly baby. I don't really like, I don't like sweets that often, but I don't mind a jelly baby.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  It's Haribo tangfastic. It's the best, the best, I think.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  Tell you what I like. I like that they're all powdery, so they're, so they're not sticky.

• 10:21Speaker 02

  What is that powder? I'm not sure about that powder.

• 10:23Speaker 01

  That's not a baby. What have they done to jelly babies? I like eating their heads off. I haven't had a jelly baby for years.

• 10:35Speaker 02

  I find them too sweet.

• 10:38Speaker 01

  They are sour.

• 10:39Speaker 02

  They're sour? Are they?

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're a bit, well, I've just had a green one, so I assume that's a lime.

• 10:45Speaker 02

  What is that stuff on the outside? Is it talc? Because they're babies. Someone's been like, they've had their nappies jammed.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  They've got, they've got into the talc and powder.

• 10:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. They should start putting Sudacrim on them.

• 10:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:02Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  Mmm. Have a jelly baby.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 11:09Speaker 01

  Go on.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  What are we doing? Are we doing a podcast?

• 11:14Speaker 02

  Well, apparently, yeah.

• 11:18Speaker 01

  Are we doing a podcast or are we just eating jelly babies? I can't remember.

• 11:24Speaker 02

  We're doing one.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  Today, did we meet up in the studio to eat jelly babies?

• 11:29Speaker 02

  Something like that, yeah. Look how much I've got here now.

• 11:32Speaker 01

  Hobnobs.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Best biscuit.

• 11:36Speaker 02

  Probably, yeah.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  Love the hobnob. So buttery. The chocolate hobnob.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  Keep all this in.

• 11:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  We're still rolling, aren't we? Okay, because I thought maybe you might have assumed we were taking a break or something, but

• 11:53Speaker 01

  what we're actually doing is recording the podcast.

• 11:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're going. We need this. I mean, we need. Done my emergency thought. Have I got anything else?

• 12:03Speaker 01

  Well, don't worry, Joe, because we can talk more because we've got a podcast and I've got a fact for you.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  Okay, good.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  That if you don't already know it, which I think you might do because you're quite smart, is gonna, um, I hope you react in the same way as I did when I heard it this week.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  All right.

• 12:18Speaker 01

  I was like, whoa, no way.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  Well, that's, that sounds good.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  Not happy with my microphone.

• 12:23Speaker 02

  I'm worried I have already read it because I read down the episode and. But I'll pretend.

• 12:27Speaker 01

  Did you already know it?

• 12:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  All right, brilliant.

• 12:29Speaker 02

  No, I didn't know it.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 12:32Speaker 02

  Which is actually ironic, I think, given the nature of the fact.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  Welcome to Joe and James Fact Up, a podcast loosely about facts, but is more about the chats. If you want to get in touch, you can email us, hello at joeandjamespod.com. You can WhatsApp us on 07822034330. Or you can follow us on our socials at joeandjamespod and you can watch all our episodes in full on YouTube and Apple Podcasts. Just search for Joe and James Fact Up. Now, let's get fact up.

• 13:03Speaker 03

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• 13:38Speaker 02

  You've been sending in some Fact Up stuff for us to discuss. And one of those things is, obviously, this from Isla.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  You're doing great.

• 13:51Speaker 02

  Thank you, thank you.

• 13:54Speaker 02

  Via the Fact Up WhatsApp, subtitled Big Bills. Okay, hi, says Isla. I was just re-listening to the episode where James talks about his infatuation.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  No.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  Correct term with birds and I wanted to share a bird that I think he would find fascinating. They're called shubil storks.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course. I know all about the shubil stalk already.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  Well, you're not helping, yeah, obviously you do. And can grow up to 1.5 metres. They have massive beaks and sort of sound like machine guns. You can hear it in the YouTube video.

• 14:27Speaker 02

  Great bird. Anyway, I thought that James might enjoy learning about more big birds, although these ones don't have little red lips.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  They certainly do not have little red lips.

• 14:36Speaker 02

  What they do have is a gigantic bill.

• 14:38Speaker 01

  They're huge. I'm sure Attenborough has done something on, on these already.

• 14:44Speaker 01

  But yeah, they sort of make these loud clacking noise with their, with their bills.

• 14:48Speaker 02

  I mean, let's be clear.

• 14:50Speaker 01

  It's a big bird.

• 14:51Speaker 02

  Let's be clear.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Birds are the direct descendants of dinosaurs. Like, if you want to see a dinosaur, the, the anatomy is very, like, that's, that's where it went next.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  They've started putting feathers on T-Rexes and stuff now.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I think there's the sense that, yeah.

• 15:14Speaker 01

  Also, something that I learnt this week about the, about the T-Rex is that it doesn't have that famous sort of smile that we know and love from Jurassic Park and stuff. They've now decided that they have more like a Komodo dragon type mouth, where when they close their mouth, all their teeth are hidden.

• 15:34Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  Sort of like lips, little red lips.

• 15:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, so good news for you.

• 15:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:40Speaker 02

  The wanking continues.

• 15:44Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  Should get on to dinosaurs now.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  Go and check them out. Honestly, I know that I bang on about birds too much, apparently. But yeah, no, the, the shubil stalk. Go and check some videos out on them on the internet.

• 16:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  On YouTube or something. They're fascinating.

• 16:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:06Speaker 01

  Absolutely fascinating. Oh, Joe.

• 16:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, great looking bird.

• 16:10Speaker 01

  I've just seen what's next. You should read this. This is in your wheelhouse.

• 16:16Speaker 02

  Rowan via the Fact Up form and it's a pun believable.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:21Speaker 02

  I think the band Boyzone is a pun on Boyzone.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  Of course it is.

• 16:26Speaker 02

  Match of the day is a pun on catch of the day.

• 16:29Speaker 01

  Fuck you.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  I didn't realise that Girls Aloud was a pun for a while, as in girls are allowed in this club too. And people say, you know, there's no new land left to discover. Well, in the mind there is, is, is.

• 16:46Speaker 02

  I've got a pun believable to share. A few weeks ago, I realised that the name Saul Goodman from the Better Call Saul, from the show Better Call Saul is supposed to be a pun, so that when you say it's all Goodman, it sounds like you're saying it's all good man. To be fair, I've never seen the show, but this dawned on me the other day and I was completely embarrassed that I didn't realise it, that I didn't realise it sooner.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  That's blown my mind.

• 17:11Speaker 01

  I'd like confirmation.

• 17:12Speaker 02

  Is it definitely, the only thing is.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  I don't know, but it works.

• 17:16Speaker 02

  But you don't, it's all good, but it's all good man. It's all good man.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  It's all good man. It's all good man. It's all good man.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  Saul Goodman, but you say Goodman, don't you? You say, you say Goodman.

• 17:29Speaker 01

  Saul Goodman. No, I think they say.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  I'm a bit worried that I've become like a kind of Senator McCarthy figure with these puns, where I've said they're everywhere.

• 17:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:40Speaker 02

  And now maybe people are finding them perhaps. It's turned into a witch hunt.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  I'm worried it's actually got a bit out of control because I don't know whether, this is interesting work from, from Rowan and, and thank you for the work. I, I don't know whether it's absolute, I don't absolutely know whether it is one. I don't know. I mean, can we get in touch with the?

• 18:02Speaker 01

  I think we just.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  I mean, we, we probably have, we have contacts within, you know, the world of Breaking Bad and, you know, they're, they're big American shows, obviously, we, we'd have loads of people.

• 18:12Speaker 01

  Gillian or something. The bloke that created Breaking Bad.

• 18:16Speaker 02

  Vince Gilligan.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  Vince Gilligan, same thing. Well, I say, I say we have someone tailing him for a while. Maybe intercept his phone calls and mail.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  Maybe harass his family and wife.

• 18:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  His wife and kids or whatever.

• 18:30Speaker 02

  Why don't his kids go to school?

• 18:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:31Speaker 02

  Don't do anything. Don't do anything. Just let them know that they're being watched.

• 18:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, and just try and get some dirt on the guy.

• 18:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:39Speaker 01

  Doesn't have to be pun related or anything, but if there's anything there that might make him a bit, you know, no smoke without fire.

• 18:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe anyone who knew him 30 years ago.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  Do you know what I mean? Just like, anyone who may be in his younger, in his younger years.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  And then we'll decide whether, whether it's a pun believable or not.

• 19:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  I think that's, I mean, if it's not a pun believable, it is now because it does work. Saul Goodman. Saul Goodman.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  But mun is.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  Saul Goodman.

• 19:11Speaker 02

  Saul Goodman.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  It works.

• 19:16Speaker 04

  It's also because they're American, so they say, good man.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  Saul Goodman.

• 19:22Speaker 02

  Saul Goodman.

• 19:23Speaker 01

  Um, we've got.

• 19:24Speaker 02

  Saul Goodman.

• 19:25Speaker 01

  Listen, that's Rowan, that's made us think. That's made me think. And now I need to sit down. I'm already sitting down. Anyway, we've got a, um.

• 19:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  I went a bit mental there, Joe.

• 19:37Speaker 02

  No, no, that was, I mean, it's a really.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  It's interesting.

• 19:41Speaker 01

  We've got a message here from Sam via the Fact Up form, who says, did you know the Isles of Scilly and the Netherlands are alleged to have been at war, which lasted from 1651 to 1986 without a single person dying? Yeah, I think I did know that. Isn't there something to do with that, that there was some sort of conflict? Um, you know, back in the 1600s. Um, there was some sort of conflict, but they just forgot to say, oh, the war's over. There was no, there was no, um.

• 20:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:16Speaker 01

  Official, sort of like, yeah, someone's, someone's given up. They just, I think they just, I think the war, I think the.

• 20:22Speaker 02

  How have the Netherlands not managed to beat the Isles of Scilly? That's embarrassing. I mean, that's really, that's like a nil all draw against San Marino. I'm not having a go at Netherlands. Well done for not killing anyone, but you should have won.

• 20:35Speaker 01

  They were very powerful at that point as well.

• 20:37Speaker 02

  How are you not winning that? If you can't beat the Isles of Scilly, who can you beat?

• 20:40Speaker 01

  They had their own East India Company, didn't they? The Dutch East India Company.

• 20:44Speaker 02

  They did, yeah.

• 20:44Speaker 01

  Which I think is a bit out of order that they had to call it the Dutch East India Company, when our East India Company came.

• 20:51Speaker 02

  Called the East India Company.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  And it came after them.

• 20:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. We sort of mugged them off there, didn't we?

• 20:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, we did. Made them look like, right, little bitches.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  Well, and also the Isles of Scilly made it look like bitches as well. Everyone is.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. Everyone's laughing at you, Netherlands.

• 21:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. You're the fucking laughing stock of Europe.

• 21:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  They're too chilled out to give a fuck anyway. That's probably what happens.

• 21:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  That's probably what happens.

• 21:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  We're at war with the Isles of Scilly. What? Since when? Oh, yeah, no, we need to get around to, we need to get around to, um.

• 21:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  To occupying them at some point.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, no, we'll do it tomorrow. We'll definitely do it tomorrow.

• 21:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, that's, I think that's, I think that's right.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  Is there, um, what's the, what's the story there?

• 21:38Speaker 04

  So it's all to do with the English Civil War and the Isles of Scilly were pro royalists.

• 21:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:45Speaker 04

  And Netherlands were pro parliament.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  Of course they were, yeah.

• 21:47Speaker 04

  The Netherlands.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  Oh no, I thought it would be the other way around.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Because didn't we get Charles back from, wasn't he in the Netherlands?

• 21:54Speaker 02

  No, but, no, but, yeah, at that point, the war was still on.

• 21:57Speaker 01

  Again, the Netherlands don't know. They're like, no, we love parliament. And they're like, oh, no, send your king here, he'll be fine. Don't worry about it.

• 22:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  And then Charles, like, a couple of, eight years later, he's like, what, you want me to come back now? All right, fucking let's go for it.

• 22:12Speaker 04

  Like a Dutch boats arrived in the Isle of Scilly and the Scilly people were like, oh, we don't like you because you're parliamentarian and like beat up the boat a bit. And so then they declared war, the Dutch declared war on the Isles of Scilly.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  The whole thing is ridiculous, isn't it? You've got the stoned, you've got the stoned out Dutch people turning up to have a go at some silly people. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  They probably went to the Scilly Isles as a kind of, they thought it was hilarious.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, they thought it was a laugh, wasn't it?

• 22:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like sort of stoner, stoner humour.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  Like, no.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  Dude, look at this, there's a place called the Scilly Isles.

• 22:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they were like, no way.

• 22:50Speaker 02

  No way, we should totally, we should totally go there, it'll be hilarious. It's like where sort of Seth Rogen would go.

• 22:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  Like, I can't believe it's called the Scilly Isles, we just went there, we were in college, we thought it was hilarious at the time, I don't know. Um, but yeah, it would have been, so the Netherlands, like the Low Countries are like, that's the home of Protestantism. Uh, and if you, if Britain was in a period where it was like more Catholic, you'd generally flee to the Low Countries, they'd give you safe haven there. Um, all that kind of North European coastline, that was where all the kind of Protestants were in hiding, all the people who were like translating the Bible into English, all that kind of stuff, they were all there.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Where was it that Martin Luther?

• 23:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly, exactly the same part of the world, yeah, he was, he was from, um. Is it Wittenberg? He was, uh, somewhere in what then would have been kind of one of the German sort of municipalities. Uh, they wouldn't be called, were they ever called German? I don't know, but, um.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  It was under the Holy Roman Empire.

• 23:49Speaker 02

  That's right, yeah, that's right. And, um, so yeah, sixteen fifty one, the king by that point was dead, they chopped his head off. Um, but, uh, the, I guess it might, in fact, by that point, what is it like? When did they chop his head off? Sixteen forty nine, I think.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  I'll take your word for it.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  And then, at that point, England would have been in what was gonna become or had become the protectorate, so Oliver Cromwell is in charge. Uh, and yeah, so the Isles of Scilly would have been a last, so during the Civil War, they're all fighting each other around the country. King's forces kind of more in the West generally, Parliament's forces more in the East, particularly like Essex and Lincolnshire. Uh, and then the Royalists, so this is effectively like a final Royalist stronghold, it's not even on the mainland anymore, it's off. It's on these islands, it's a bit like how they sometimes find.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  Is it off of Cornwall or something?

• 24:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right, off of Cornwall. It reminds me a bit of how in like the eighties and nineties, they would sometimes still unearth these kind of Japanese soldiers who were still fighting the Second World War. So it's a little bit like that, and I suppose the Netherlands were just like, you know, we've got better things to do, I'm sure you have, I'm sure you have.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:05Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 25:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, boy.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, boy. Hey, listen, Joe.

• 25:08Speaker 02

  Tall people in Europe, tall people in Europe.

• 25:11Speaker 01

  The Dutch.

• 25:12Speaker 02

  The Dutch, how's, how's that work?

• 25:16Speaker 02

  It's such a grace, weird.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  I think people are getting, I think, I think, I think we're getting shorter as a, I think humans are getting shorter.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  We are, yeah, we, we're, well, no, what's happening, I think, is it's becoming more linked to, um, wealth and stuff, so now tall people are rich and. People from Eton are all like, tall people are, yeah, tall people are rich, rich people are tall, rich people are tall.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Every Etonian needs to be six foot.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  That's because the, uh, the, those type of rich people that you're talking about, they don't go outside, do they?

• 25:45Speaker 02

  Honestly, I think that's why it is.

• 25:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:48Speaker 02

  I honestly think that is what it is.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  They all keep it in-house.

• 25:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:52Speaker 01

  Oh, well.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  That's, um, that's a nice fact though, and, um.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  That is good, yeah.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, thanks for that, Sam.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  So I tried to, a weird war.

• 26:03Speaker 01

  Listen, it is, um, it is time for fact check.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  Horrible Histories, weird war.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  It is time for fact check, Joe, where we'll be reading a fact, oh, yeah, thinking about that Horrible Histories thing. Um, cause I loved the books when I was a kid, I didn't read much when I was a kid, but I loved the books, I had, um. I, I've still got it in hardback, um, you remember when you.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  Terrible Tudors.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Terrible Tudors and Slimy Stewarts.

• 26:29Speaker 02

  Slimy.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  The double header.

• 26:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  In one book.

• 26:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  In hardback.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  I don't want to be a Tudor, actually, I don't want to be slimy, and I know Terrible's, but, you know, there's.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  Do you remember when you were a kid, you'd get.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Met to be feared than to be smelt.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  You'd get these little, um, book catalogues to take home and you could order some, like the school would give you. They did at my school, it was like, it was, I say it was a catalogue, it was a one-page thing folded in half. It looked, and you could tick things and, and you could get a book, I never got any of that, we were, couldn't afford books. When I, when I was growing up. But, but one time they did let me get a book, my mum and dad.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 27:13Speaker 01

  And it was that book, the Horrible, I picked that Horrible Histories and I read it, man, I read it constantly, it was so good, I absolutely loved it. And I bought my kids, now that I'm big and successful, uh, I've bought my kids the box set, uh, when they were dead little.

• 27:27Speaker 02

  That catalogue arrives and you go, we'll have everything on there.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'll go, um, give me four of everything.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  Um, but I did, I bought them the box set of Horrible Histories, those books are great, man, I might, would it be weird, a thirty-nine-year-old reading them?

• 27:42Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  I wonder if they do audiobooks now, I'm not even bothered to check that.

• 27:46Speaker 02

  Well, they've done a TV programme of it, so.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  That's what I was thinking, Horrible Histories, how much were the people behind the books making off the back of the TV show?

• 27:55Speaker 02

  Is it Terry Deary?

• 27:57Speaker 01

  I can't remember, I feel like it was different people for each book, maybe there was a team of them and they all carved up who was gonna do what. Because I feel like my double header, Slimy Stewarts, Terrible Tudors.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  The, the front, what, it would say Terrible Tudors by whoever, and then once I've read that and I get to the Slimy Stewarts page, it would say by someone else.

• 28:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think, I feel like the illustrations are of a piece, whereas the actual content, cause you need to have some knowledge, you couldn't just, you, you, you wouldn't be able to. You'd need to have somebody who knew a bit about, you know, the Romans or whatever.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:34Speaker 02

  Is it the Revolting Romans? Probably.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  I think there was a few books on the Romans if, uh.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  There was a lot of good stuff with, and they used to eat swallow's tongues, they were sort of writing it themselves, weren't they? They, I bet, they probably had a feeling that, that one day, you know, and why else would you eat a hamster unless you want it written up?

• 28:51Speaker 01

  Who owns the Horrible Histories brand?

• 28:55Speaker 02

  Well, if you ever wrote those books and, um, yeah, I think they'll be doing quite well, actually.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  They're not still making the TV show anymore, are they?

• 29:02Speaker 02

  I think the Tudors should get the money, some of the Tudors, I mean, they did it, didn't they?

• 29:05Speaker 01

  They've got plenty of money.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  They don't need any more.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  They'll be okay, yeah.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  Um, anyway, it's time for fact check.

• 29:12Speaker 02

  Here we go.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  This is the part of the episode where we read a fact or a question that you'd like us to get to the bottom of. Then we're gonna have a good old think during the break and we'll come back and let you know how true it feels to us and to decide whether it passes our fact check.

• 29:26Speaker 02

  Okay, so this week's fact check comes from Rosie, who has sent us this, I'd love you to discuss a fact I'm unsure about. I heard polar bears are known to scream when defecating.

• 29:41Speaker 02

  Which seems fairly reasonable to me, but I worry personal experience may be, put, maybe clouding my objectivity towards empirical evidence. Having never seen a polar bear at my local Red Hot Goodies, I see, I'm inclined to believe polar bears are less influenced in their shitting habits by suboptimal culinary choices than myself, but please let me know if you think otherwise. Uh, Rosie from Bristol, that's from.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  Rosie, there were some words in that message that makes me think this ain't the podcast for you.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  Well, well, we're gonna, we're gonna have a break, we're gonna get a dictionary and try and work out what that message meant. And then we're gonna get back with the fact stats.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  Well, welcome back to Joe and James Fact Check.

• 30:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, welcome back.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Uh, we were just fact checking on behalf of Rosie, who's incredibly eloquent.

• 30:30Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  Uh, who wanted to know, how do polar bears scree, sorry, do polar, but how do polar bears scream?

• 30:36Speaker 02

  How do they scream?

• 30:37Speaker 01

  How do they do it?

• 30:38Speaker 02

  How are they doing it?

• 30:39Speaker 01

  How are they doing? They're shitting and screaming at the same time. Um, do polar bears scream when defecating? I've never heard of this before in my life at all whatsoever. I can't imagine they do, because they're very sort of, um, they're hunters, they're swift, they're quiet. Do you know what I mean? They're usually quiet, um, they're always sneaking up on stuff, aren't they?

• 31:02Speaker 02

  Scream is, I, I mean, what, like, ah, like, sort of like hide?

• 31:08Speaker 01

  I imagined it like when foxes are fucking.

• 31:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I keep talking.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  That's, that sort of thing, you know, when they're really getting into it.

• 31:18Speaker 02

  Come on, come on though, tell me, tell me though.

• 31:23Speaker 01

  You must hear that a lot.

• 31:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do, yeah, it sounds like a baby cry.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  It does, it, it sounds like a baby being attacked.

• 31:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a weird noise.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  It was just, honestly, night, the summer's nights in Dagenham.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:36Speaker 01

  When you've got to have your windows open, you know, I was growing up, it was just all that just constant screaming.

• 31:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  Cause I actually lived near quite a big field as well. Um, it's since been completely turned into houses and stuff, which is a shame. Uh, but, my God, they scream, they're passionate, they're like the Italians of the, of the British countryside.

• 32:03Speaker 02

  That they're painting, uh, cooking.

• 32:06Speaker 01

  They're, they're either arguing or fucking, do you know what I mean? You know?

• 32:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, play acting.

• 32:12Speaker 01

  They're having sex or they're smashing vases against the wall and the girl, the girl fox is going, who's Maria?

• 32:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  Hey, you know what I'm like, you know what I was like when you married me.

• 32:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  That sort of thing.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right, that's right, yeah.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  Um, but I don't even know where to, where, what, I don't even know where to come at this one.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  I don't know how to unpack this bit of information. I'd sort of hope it's true because that's hilarious.

• 32:45Speaker 01

  But I can't, I don't know why a polar bear would, specifically a polar bear.

• 32:49Speaker 02

  It feels like the polar bear is slightly poorly designed in that area if it's having to, if it's, if it's a big, it's a big effort.

• 32:56Speaker 01

  I can't.

• 32:56Speaker 02

  Polar bears in general seem just, they're pretty well put together.

• 32:59Speaker 01

  I've never heard of any, um, animal screaming, taking a shit.

• 33:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, I mean, I, I, um, I know what I mean. So Rosie's, I've, I have, as I think Rosie is saying that she has as well, when you've had spicy food.

• 33:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  There have been times where I'm like, oh, like just like, like horrible. But no, more than that, just more like quite, quite sort of like, it's not fair. Like more like that, like that where you're just like, oh. Um, and I get, and I get the sweats as well.

• 33:39Speaker 01

  Let me try and.

• 33:40Speaker 02

  I mean, I suppose what she's saying is it's weird to think that a polar bear is eating badly. I guess that's what, that's maybe the point there is that like, polar bears aren't going down and getting a vindaloo and then regretting it the next day. They presumably eat.

• 33:53Speaker 01

  Seal.

• 33:55Speaker 02

  Seal. Yes, exactly. Seal meat.

• 33:58Speaker 01

  I was talking about the singer.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  The singer, yeah, no, they, they eat seal, the singer seal. And he doesn't scream, doesn't he? He sings, so they should sing when they shit.

• 34:06Speaker 01

  Let me, let me apply some logic. Now, I've got a dog. I love that guy. It's, I've heard that dogs feel their most vulnerable when they're taking a shit.

• 34:17Speaker 02

  Oh, they do. No, my, my, my parents' late dog, he always looked very, um, he didn't like doing, he looked brow beaten when he was doing it and he, he, and he didn't, yeah.

• 34:27Speaker 01

  They always feel vulnerable when they're, when they're taking a shit. What I like to do, and this is weird, and I've never told anyone this before.

• 34:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  Might have told Claire, is that when the dog's taking a shit in the back garden, I'll like stand near him and look like I'm on watch, just to let him know, just to let him feel comfortable, just to let him be like, hey, I'm watching, you're fine. Like I've got your.

• 34:56Speaker 02

  That's.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  I do love that dog too much, not as much as Bert.

• 34:59Speaker 02

  No, I like the, I like the, I think that's actually, I'm sure the dog appreciates that because they are, they are pack animals and

• 35:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:07Speaker 02

  you're kind of, um, uh, very much behaving like I've got your back.

• 35:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. That's what I like to do for him. Is that weird?

• 35:17Speaker 02

  I don't think so. I think, I think you're picking up on some vulnerability and you're trying to, um.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  He always looks really shocked when he's shitting as well.

• 35:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:25Speaker 01

  Like his eyes get really wide and his ears all go back and his head turns into a different shape. It's really weird.

• 35:33Speaker 02

  That is weird.

• 35:34Speaker 01

  It's really weird. And more of the note, he's got an erection.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  Right. Okay. So it's just, so it's just all go really.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  If my dog sits, you know that way that dogs sit on their hind legs with their legs, with their legs like that, right? He's fine. If he leans back a little bit, if he's like.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 35:52Speaker 01

  If he, sometimes he sits on the couch like a human.

• 35:54Speaker 02

  Do you know we have a fact about this? If you lie on your back, you get an erection. Cause your blood all goes down.

• 36:00Speaker 01

  Well, my dog, no, we were supposed to find out whether that was true or not. I don't think for one reason or another, we didn't get around to it.

• 36:06Speaker 02

  We got around to it. Well, yeah.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  But my dog, if he leans back a bit more and pushes his pelvis out, he's, he's just always got his knob out constantly.

• 36:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, dogs shouldn't.

• 36:16Speaker 01

  I'm hoping it's an age thing. I'm hoping he'll grow out of it.

• 36:19Speaker 02

  I just think it's a bit like there are things that dogs shouldn't do. They shouldn't play cards. They shouldn't, um, they shouldn't lie on their back.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  I'm hoping he's like a 12 year old on the bus now. Do you know what I mean? Remember when you were sort of like 12, 11, 12, 13 and for some reason being on a bus.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  Oh, I do remember that actually.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Give you an erection.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  I always just feel like I was awake much earlier than I really wanted to be. You know, like in the mornings, you'd get an erection. But I don't, I, why the fuck is that? It's just like, I, I don't know what that is. It's not helpful. I just sometimes feel that I was at school just before I, I, I was like, I don't really, I'm, I'm here hours before I really want to be anywhere. So now all the fucking erection stuff's happening. I've been, I was still going through all that. I haven't finished that little.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:58Speaker 02

  Routine. If I should be at home at the moment, it's your fault for making me come out the house so early.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  Boys on the cusp of puberty just constantly erect.

• 37:08Speaker 02

  Well, I just, you're basically being shot.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  I, ideally.

• 37:16Speaker 02

  Nah.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  Um, no, it's, I mean, you know, adolescence, it's like you're basically, you're basically taking a child and then you're, you're injecting it full of these mad hormones. Yeah. There you go. What do you think about that? You're gonna go fucking crazy for.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  I'm hoping that's what my dog's going through at the moment. He's, he's, he's about to turn two. So he's sort of like a teenager.

• 37:36Speaker 02

  I think that's probably right.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  And I'm hoping, because he's embarrassing.

• 37:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:40Speaker 01

  You've got people around sometimes and he's, he's, um, he's a blue Staffordshire bull terrier.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  Could you put a little pair of pants on him? Just for now?

• 37:48Speaker 01

  He wouldn't like that.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  No.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  He wouldn't like that at all. And I wouldn't do that to the guy.

• 37:51Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  But because of his, his belly's white.

• 37:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 37:57Speaker 01

  He's got white hair on his chest and belly. So it's like, it's like a great big red stain.

• 38:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  It's so red and pink, like you can't miss it.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  And I don't, I genuinely don't know what to say.

• 38:12Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  If someone's around, I'm like, I better say some, I better make a joke because we're all, we can all see it.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  Do you know that human beings are, our genitals are, they are more out all the time than animals. Most animals, not out, sorry.

• 38:31Speaker 01

  Speak for yourself.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  No, what I mean is not out in that sense. Like if you were, many animals, even if they were naked, you wouldn't really be able to see anything. Unless, and it's like, if they're not erect, it's like, there's nothing there at all. Whereas human being, so there's something about human beings where we are quite.

• 38:45Speaker 01

  But can't human beings do that? Isn't there like tribes and stuff that like can suck their cocks in when they're running?

• 38:50Speaker 02

  I don't think they can suck it in. I think, I think they.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  No, they can sort of, no, they can sort of invert it. They can invert their penises.

• 38:57Speaker 02

  Oh, this is on bloody Gevase, isn't it?

• 38:59Speaker 01

  It is. Yeah. That's where I've heard it. Of course I have. That's where I've heard all my information.

• 39:02Speaker 02

  There was something about like early humans, there's something about how they were, they were,

• 39:08Speaker 02

  they, sexual display is something that, that is kind of always there at some level with humans. And that that makes human beings more kind of, I don't know, social or something, or more kind of.

• 39:22Speaker 01

  Well.

• 39:22Speaker 02

  Basically, the, the difference between, like, you might, you might think if you've got a penis, that the difference between it being, you know, small and having an erection is a big difference. But actually compared to an animal, it's, it's, it's not a big difference because many animals as like your dog, it's like, if it's not right, you can't even see it. So there's nothing there. So.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  He sees balls though.

• 39:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  Got massive balls.

• 39:51Speaker 02

  Well, I don't know about that. I don't know what you can, do you need the balls all the time?

• 39:57Speaker 01

  They're out, they're always out.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Ready?

• 39:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:00Speaker 02

  For what though?

• 40:03Speaker 01

  Um, welcome back. What?

• 40:05Speaker 02

  Okay. I think that perhaps.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  What were we talking about? Oh yeah, polar bears, they don't scream. They don't scream when they're having a shit.

• 40:10Speaker 02

  No, I know. I wonder if maybe, no, but I think you were halfway towards answering the question there. You were talking about vulnerability.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I think.

• 40:15Speaker 02

  Maybe they're screaming to scare other animals away. So it's.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  No, I think animals are quiet.

• 40:19Speaker 02

  Well, I think, I, I, I'd like to put that.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Because I think, I think there's some cannibalism going on.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  Your watch is funny. It's like, you're like.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  I think there's.

• 40:30Speaker 02

  I'm trying to talk about polar bear shitting.

• 40:31Speaker 01

  I know, but my watch keeps talking to me.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  The nerve to, you know, look as though there's better things to hear than, um, what's it saying? You all right?

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Right. Polar bears.

• 40:43Speaker 02

  Do you, should I get one of them?

• 40:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, do it. Yeah. Yeah. Polar bears do not scream while they shit. They don't. I'm not having it.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  I think they do, and I think the reason they're doing it is.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  Are we going head to head again? Two weeks in a row? Are you just being contrariate?

• 40:53Speaker 02

  Probably, I don't know.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  So you, you think they do on purpose to scare people away?

• 40:58Speaker 02

  I don't know where Rosie's herd is if they don't do it.

• 41:00Speaker 01

  I've never heard this before in my life. I've never heard of any animal screaming while they're taking a shit.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  When she said a worried personal experience may be clouding my reactivity, I thought that she meant I've, I saw one screaming and I was like, where the hell, where, where the hell have you been?

• 41:14Speaker 01

  Well.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  Up in the Svalbard, like bloody, out of, um, the Northern Lights.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  Can we get to the bottom of this? Again, again, we're getting to the bottom.

• 41:28Speaker 02

  Is, is there any more shit than usual on this?

• 41:31Speaker 01

  What's that?

• 41:32Speaker 02

  No, more, we, there's so much of our content is about bums and shitting and feels like there's been even more than normal.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  I don't think we've taken a break from it.

• 41:41Speaker 02

  There was a week where, I don't know.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  Last week we were talking about whether you, whether if you didn't fart, it'd come out of your mouth.

• 41:47Speaker 02

  Oh gosh, yeah.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  It is, we do. We've, we've, we're at a level. You, you can either be comfortable in it, Joe, or you can be worried about it.

• 41:57Speaker 02

  Okay, fine.

• 41:57Speaker 01

  You choose.

• 41:58Speaker 02

  Okay, fine. That's fair enough actually.

• 41:59Speaker 01

  Podcast shit. This podcast's rubbish. As soon as you come to terms with that, do you know what doing this podcast reminds me of? There's an episode, there's an episode in, have you ever, you've watched Band of Brothers, haven't you?

• 42:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  There's a.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  Oh, I remember.

• 42:13Speaker 01

  Uh, private Blythe.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Who gets hysterical blindness.

• 42:17Speaker 02

  That's right. Yeah.

• 42:18Speaker 01

  Uh, I think it's in the second, I think it's in, uh, the third episode or Karen's hand or something, or second.

• 42:23Speaker 02

  I do remember this.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  And, um.

• 42:26Speaker 01

  Someone, it might not be him. I think it is. Someone goes up to him and he go, and they go, um, and he, and, and another soldier goes up to him and goes, listen. He goes, oh, he basically admits that he's terrified.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  He doesn't wanna die. I know the bit you're talking about.

• 42:40Speaker 01

  And the bloke goes, you need to just realise you're already dead and then you'll be able to function as a soldier. You still think you're gonna get out of this alive and that's stopping you from being able to do what you need to do.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  You know what?

• 42:49Speaker 01

  And that's what doing this podcast is.

• 42:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's so true.

• 42:51Speaker 01

  Just, just, it's rubbish.

• 42:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  And if you, if you're comfortable, you can either be comfortable with it or you can be a little scared, scaredy cat.

• 43:00Speaker 02

  You're right, you're right. And you know what? There's, I, I, I'm familiar with the kind of mental adjustment that you're talking about. And I'm always trying to make it. I really, I truly I am. I really, I really am. And, um.

• 43:12Speaker 01

  You said it yourself last week, worry less.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  Worry less. I think, I, I didn't, well, no, I said, try, try and be more positive. That's why I've got a bit too mo-. It is not, I don't, to be honest, that, I think you were correct to call bullshit on that. That was not, I don't know what I was talking about there. I'm actually embarrassed I said that.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, don't worry about it.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  Positive. What's there to be positive about?

• 43:30Speaker 01

  Nothing. Fuck off.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  Fucking nothing. Literally fucking nothing.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  There is nothing good going on.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  If you're feeling positive, look, have a little look.

• 43:40Speaker 01

  Use your eyes. This is gonna be open and shut. Do polar bears shit, scream when they shit?

• 43:46Speaker 04

  They make a lot of sounds.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 43:48Speaker 04

  They growl, they huff, they chuff, they roar. Uh, they're some, they do something that's similar to crying, like a baby.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  Joe was right.

• 43:56Speaker 04

  But they don't do any of that while pooping.

• 43:59Speaker 01

  Oh, right.

• 44:01Speaker 02

  So where's this?

• 44:02Speaker 01

  I thought you were gonna say, why did you Simon Cowell us there?

• 44:06Speaker 04

  It's feeling a little bit cheeky.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  Oh, guys, I'm really sorry. Um, you're gonna have to clear your schedules because you're gonna become pop stars. It was that, but the opposite.

• 44:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was, yeah.

• 44:15Speaker 02

  Mister G does that as well, doesn't he? He's like, guys, I'm feeling very, very excited about this show.

• 44:19Speaker 01

  As you know.

• 44:20Speaker 02

  Because you're not gonna be in it, not if you're gonna be in it.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  It was the other lot, sorry. It was the other lot.

• 44:24Speaker 02

  The other group, I was the other group. I'm so sorry.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  Yay.

• 44:28Speaker 02

  So they do make sounds, but not while, why the fuck not? And why is, well, sorry, Rosie, it's, um.

• 44:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, Rosie.

• 44:37Speaker 02

  Good vocabulary though.

• 44:38Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah, you're definitely an intelligent woman.

• 44:41Speaker 02

  You, yeah. You've been.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  I'm shocked. I'm surprised. Uh, anyway, listen, Joe, we've got to move on.

• 44:48Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 44:49Speaker 01

  Um, because it is, it's time for my fact.

• 44:52Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  And I, I, I, I wrote this down straight away as soon as I heard this.

• 44:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  And I was like, I can't wait to tell Joe this.

• 44:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  Um, on Fact Up. Um, have you heard of deja vu?

• 45:03Speaker 02

  I have heard of deja vu.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Of course you have.

• 45:05Speaker 02

  Or have I? I feel like I've heard it before.

• 45:07Speaker 01

  Oh, deja vu is when something feels strangely, something new feels strangely familiar.

• 45:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  You're like, oh, I've been here before and that person walked in just as I was having this thought, like that sort of thing.

• 45:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I get it a lot.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  But have you heard of the opposite of deja vu? Jamais vu, jamais vu?

• 45:28Speaker 02

  I have not.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  Right, here we go. Um, jamais vu is when something you know very well suddenly feels unfamiliar or wrong. There's a, there's an opposite to deja vu, Joe, keep it like that.

• 45:41Speaker 02

  This is really cool, actually.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  A great example is with words. Take a completely normal word like door. And if you write or say door over and over and over, after a while, you might suddenly think that doesn't look like a word or why is it spelled like that or what is even a door?

• 45:59Speaker 02

  I think we've all done that.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  Like some words just end up sounding like sounds. They don't sound like words anymore.

• 46:05Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  That temporary feeling of unfamiliarity is jamais, uh, jamais vu.

• 46:11Speaker 02

  Jamais vu, jamais vu, as in never. So never, so deja vu, already seen. Jamais vu.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  The French is for never seen, yeah.

• 46:22Speaker 02

  Never, I see. So yeah, so it's basically like, so the first one is you haven't actually seen this before, but I, I've had this before.

• 46:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. And the second one is.

• 46:33Speaker 02

  And the second one is, I know that I've seen this before.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  But it doesn't make sense to me anymore.

• 46:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. It can also happen with familiar places or people. You might briefly look around somewhere you know extremely well and it suddenly feels oddly unfamiliar despite knowing exactly where you are. Interestingly, researchers have experimentally produced, how'd you say it again?

• 46:55Speaker 02

  Jamais vu.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  Jamais vu. Um, like, uh, have produced, they've experimentally produced a jamais vu like effect simply by getting people to write the same familiar word repeatedly until it begins to feel peculiar or loses its meaning. I get that with my name.

• 47:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  You know, when you're on a film set and if there, I've been on a film set before where there's me and you know, you get called all the time, don't you? All right. And also people are calling you. There's like, um, has anyone got eyes on James? Uh, yeah, I'm with James now.

• 47:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 47:27Speaker 01

  And then if there's one other person on the set called James.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  I'm like, I, everyone needs to stop saying my name too much because now my name doesn't make sense to me anymore and I don't know what it means.

• 47:39Speaker 02

  Have I told you that when, I'm sure I've said this before, but when we did, um, the, I think, second series of The Inbetweeners, the third A D was called Joe and they'd sometimes go to her like, Joe, can you, can you bring the boys' bags through please to the next room? And I'd do it.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  You go and grab it.

• 47:59Speaker 02

  I'd do it. Cause I'd only ever really done like school plays. So I was like, yeah, I'll do it. Yeah, of course.

• 48:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:03Speaker 02

  It's fine. I didn't think it was, I think it's not my job.

• 48:06Speaker 01

  Why, why, why aren't we bringing our own fucking bags?

• 48:08Speaker 02

  I know. I thought it was like.

• 48:09Speaker 01

  Oh no, there'll be prop bags, wouldn't they?

• 48:11Speaker 02

  No, they were in prop bags. So it was the boys' school bags, as in like, uh.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  We're not allowed to be in charge of stuff, are we?

• 48:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. But then Joe.

• 48:18Speaker 01

  I was just worried then.

• 48:19Speaker 02

  The real Joe would come in and be like, where the fuck are the bags? And I would already have done it. It was just like, it was sort of poltergeist or something.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  But I was worried then because he made us sound like we wouldn't carry our own bags or something like that on set.

• 48:30Speaker 02

  Oh, no, no, no, they're prop bags.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  We never got, even if we didn't wanna carry our own bags or if we wanted a bit of star treatment.

• 48:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, it wasn't.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  That weren't the place. The Inbetweeners was not the place to get.

• 48:41Speaker 02

  No, it wasn't on the place for, no, these, as, as in our, um, you know, our rucksacks with our school books in and everything.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  Um, but yeah, there you go. Jamais, jamais, jamais, I still don't know how to say it. Jamais vu, jamais vu. That's how you pronounce it. Jamais vu. It's one of those brain phenomena that becomes much easier to recognise once you know it has a name.

• 49:03Speaker 02

  Well, that's, um,

• 49:07Speaker 02

  that's really interesting. And, and I would be really interested to know if you can produce. So, I'd love to know if you could produce deja vu, these researchers, you could produce, uh, jamais, so jamais vu. The, the, the idea of, I suppose it's a sort of alienation effect, right? You suddenly, you write something down until it doesn't look like it's familiar to you anymore. Is there a way of making something that doesn't seem, uh, a way of making something that you haven't seen before, like you've seen it before?

• 49:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, a way that you could evoke deja vu, I wonder.

• 49:45Speaker 02

  Because what the fuck is, I mean, really, what the fuck is deja? I mean, it's very, very strange. I mean.

• 49:50Speaker 01

  It's an odd thing, yeah.

• 49:51Speaker 02

  Really, really strange.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  I've had some deja vues where I'm like.

• 49:54Speaker 02

  Have you ever one that's lasted for like 20 seconds or something?

• 49:56Speaker 01

  I knew that person was gonna say that.

• 49:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's incredibly strange. I mean, it, it really does make you question your whole experience of time. I think it fucks with the idea of, of like the linearity of, of time.

• 50:08Speaker 01

  It's, it's obviously some sort of illusion though, because I never go, I never go.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  It's never, it's never useful, is it?

• 50:13Speaker 01

  I never go, this bloke's about to say that.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  It's always after the fact and I go, I knew they were gonna do that.

• 50:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's it. Yeah. It's like something's, some synapse that normally arrives before another one. This time, the other one's arrived first. Sometimes you get a thing where like, you think that you've shut the door and you've locked your keys in your house and you start to panic, but then you realise you've actually got your keys. And your brain, which is fast-ish, has relaxed. You're like, it's all right, I've got my keys. And then half a second later, the chemical arrives. So you go, oh god, but yeah, so the, the, the horm- the hormonal part or the chemical part that is making you panic

• 51:00Speaker 02

  arrives when the neurological part is already going, no, no, it's all right. We've, we've got the keys. It's almost like one person's got there first and then two seconds later, another messenger comes up and goes, we haven't got the key, or we have got the key, shut up, we've got them.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  No, not at that.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  Do you ever get that? Honestly, watch out for that, everyone. If you're interested in, if you've got, if you've got literally nothing to do, like literally nothing, where you just wanna track your own thoughts and chemicals around your body and just see which one comes first, notice.

• 51:28Speaker 01

  Put bets on it. You can start gambling.

• 51:31Speaker 02

  Gamble on it, yeah. Gamble with yourself. You know, the house always wins. But I wonder whether deja vu is something akin to that somehow, where something that normally arrives second now arrives first. You've remembered the experience before you've actually had it.

• 51:44Speaker 01

  Right. Well, Joe.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  I'm al- already thinking that much. It's brilliant. Thank you. It's really good, really good.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  There we go. Um, before we go, I've got some extra chats.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 51:53Speaker 01

  Got an extra message here from Charlie via the WhatsApp. Uh, their message is called soups, salads or sandwiches. Um, Charlie says, hi, Joe and James. Charlie from Leeds here. I need you guys to fact check this for me and settle a longstanding disagreement that is giving me an existential crisis. Oh, you don't want Joe getting involved in that.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  Well, all that happens is I'll have the crisis as well.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  He'll see you and raise you. Um.

• 52:17Speaker 02

  I can't give you treatment, but I can give you company.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  A friend of mine insists that all foods are either soups, salads or sandwiches. I personally think this is, think this is bollocks. But after bringing it to a dinner table party, it seems everyone outvoted me and people think it's true. Roast dinner.

• 52:36Speaker 02

  Well, they would say salad.

• 52:37Speaker 01

  How is it a salad?

• 52:39Speaker 02

  Well, I can, I can already see which way this one's going. And I did, I did, I did give it a little before we, before we came, um, before we started. I, I think the salad's doing a lot of heavy lifting. I think the salad is basically saying, is it a load of different things?

• 52:53Speaker 01

  Right. So if it's not a soup or a sandwich, then, then it must be a salad is basically this.

• 52:57Speaker 02

  I think more or less, yes. I think the salad is basically hoovering up every other imaginable form of, um, dinner.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  Look at, yeah, look, he says here, lads, please, hummus is not soup, surely.

• 53:09Speaker 02

  Well, I think that the, I think that the, um, uh, the advocates of this position would say hummus is a soup.

• 53:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 53:18Speaker 02

  Um, because they'd say.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  Charlie, mate, I don't have a definite answer for you, but I'm with you, man. Not, you can't just categorise things into soups, salads or sandwiches.

• 53:27Speaker 02

  What they're really saying is, is it wet? Is it in layers or is it just something else?

• 53:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um. That's what, that's what it is. If it's not a soup or a salad, if it's not a soup or a sandwich, then it must be a salad.

• 53:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  It's like, guess who?

• 53:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is and, yeah.

• 53:44Speaker 01

  You've ruled out soup, you've ruled out sandwich. Well.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:48Speaker 01

  Must be salad then. I think, I think you need new mates, Charlie. Honestly, mate, fu- fucking, all those people that you went to that dinner party with. That outvoted you, get rid.

• 54:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  Get rid.

• 54:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  Cause I'm not having it either. I'm not having that. They're telling me a yog- they go, oh, yoghurt's a soup. Fuck off.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I thi- I, I, I, I think that they, they are. They've been a little, I know it's exciting when something new comes along. And I want the world to make sense.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  And we do invest a lot of hope in these ideas and we say, oh, finally I've seen the light. And we can become very, very quick to, to, to sell up and, and go and join the movement.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  This is how like religion starts.

• 54:36Speaker 02

  It is a bit, yeah. And um, I think that sometimes unfortunately, life is a bit more complicated than that.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  Hmm. God made the soups, salads and sandwiches.

• 54:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. It, it's.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  God made the three foods. Yeah, ridiculous.

• 54:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  Right, I'm all fact out, Joe.

• 54:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, so they're, they're a group of fascists.

• 54:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:56Speaker 02

  Uh, so don't, don't hang out with them anymore, Charlie.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  I'm fact out. We hope that you've learnt something or at least had a nice time. Doesn't need to have been both. Um. We'll be back next week. It's cause I haven't farted. We'll be back next week armed with more facts, chats and pooping tactics.

• 55:14Speaker 02

  Very nice.

• 55:15Speaker 01

  And don't forget you can get in touch with us if you'd like us to fact check something that feels true to you. Or whatever nonsense, uh, you'd like to tell us about by emailing, uh, hello at joeandjamespod.com. Or you can send us a WhatsApp, an O seven eight two two zero three four three three zero. And of course, follow us on our socials. At joe and james pod and head to the podcast description if you've already forgotten those details. We'll be back next week. Sorry, sorry, but we'll be back next week. Bye.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  Bye.

• 55:48Speaker 02

  Joe and James, fucked up. Oh, mamma mia.