Why You Don’t Want To Interview James Buckley

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  Welcome to 215 Maple Drive. We just put this property on the market.

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  Love the crown molding.

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  Oh, wait until you see the walk-in closets and the bathroom tile.

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  Does it have Verizon FiOS? You know, 100% fiber internet.

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  No FiOS, but it looks like it's got cable. Let's check out the kitchen.

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  No FiOS? Yeah... no thank you.

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  Don't you want to see the rest? Okay, bye-bye.

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  Get Verizon FiOS, because when you're moving, it's 100% or nothing.

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  I'm Claire Buckley, and this Halloween on my podcast, Pretty Scary, we are gonna cover the stories that keep you up at night. Real crimes, ghosts, and aliens. Plus, the scariest movies to watch this spooky season with the lights off. So, as the nights draw in, the pumpkins are carved, and somewhere in the dark, something is scratching at the window. It's probably just the cat, right? Get the candles lit in search for Pretty Scary with Claire Buckley.

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  Okay, here we go again. Here we go again. Should I do a quick, um... Quick Rockbusters? Let's head over to Jelly Armchair on Instagram.

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  Guess the celebrity.

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  Okay.

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  And there's a picture of Bruce Lee. There's a... what would you... what do we call that?

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  I call that Sweet Potato.

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  Sweet Potato?

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  Yeah.

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  With a sign saying Root Veg. An arrow pointing to a knee, and a sun.

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  Something Nissan.

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  Yeah, Lee... Lee...

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  Lee... yeah, Leeam Nissan.

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  Leeam Nissan.

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  Oh, it's a celebrity?

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  Yeah, guess the celebrity. Lee Yam Nissan.

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  Lee Yam Nissan, Nissan.

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  Nissan.

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  Yeah, yeah.

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  Jelly Armchair, go and check them out. Unbelievable. They're keeping Rockbusters alive. Unbelievable. Also, maybe find out if they've, um... Heard of Carl Bilington and Rockbusters.

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  It's um, I love that. It's very difficult to um. Yeah, that's actually, that's a little bit more coherent than, was it Crow L Intent Shin's?

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  Crow L Intent Shin's. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. How are you, Joe?

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  I'm alright, yeah, um.

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  I treated myself to a little hobnob just then.

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  Yeah, it's good. Well, I've got a whole table. I've got grays.

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  Yeah, what is that?

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  This is um.

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  What's, what, what's it made of?

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  Corn. Smoky barbecue flavour coated peas, crunchy corn chips and corn.

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  And corn.

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  I don't need a corn chip and a corn is.

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  So much corn. There's so much corn. The Americans really have rammed corn down the whole planet.

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  Eighty percent of our food comes from just.

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  Am I getting this right?

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  For.

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  Got, no, it doesn't matter if it's right or not, as long as it's a fact.

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  For staple food crops.

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  Wheat.

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  Rice.

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  Corn.

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  Maze, well maze is corn.

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  Yeah.

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  Can't remember the other one.

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  Um, hops for me.

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  Hops.

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  What is the other one?

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  This is a great start. This is.

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  And I don't know whether it's eighty percent. Some, some of our food.

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  Yeah.

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  Comes from some, some sources.

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  Um, I'm sober. I'm usually, this is, this is our second podcast record of the day.

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  You're normally sort of fairly well aware by this point.

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  Yeah, my eyes start to look in different directions at this point.

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  Yeah.

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  Um, but I'm stone cold sober.

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  You start singing sort of patriotic songs.

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  Yeah, absolutely. So going on about the England national team. Um, but I'm stone cold sober. I'm annoyed about it.

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  Yeah.

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  I'm furious. Hate being sober.

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  And it's because you have to drive to Manchester to do live television.

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  Yeah, I spoke about it last week on last week's episode. Um. I'm, I'm just annoyed. I'm annoyed with myself. But it was just, I was supposed to do this last week, actually, this BBC Breakfast thing, but I was too ill. And they very kindly said, oh, you can come back next week if you want, which is really nice of them. Um.

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  They are in Manchester. Bloody, you know, regional.

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  Yeah.

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  Regional diversity and actually following through on it.

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  Yeah.

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  Also, do you want to remember that this is produced by a company that's based in Manchester?

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  Oh, yeah. Well, I was about to say, I was just about to say.

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  That's what I'm saying. I for one, welcome our new Manchester overlords.

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  Um, no, but I do love Manchester. Obviously, it's like my, apart from the Beatles, my three favourite bands all come from Manchester.

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  Stone Roses, Oasis.

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  Smiths.

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  Smiths.

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  All from Manchester, all of them. And I love those guys. Um, me and Claire are heading to Manchester. We've got a tour. The Buckley's, out with the Buckley's. Um, so if you're from Manchester, and I'm bringing my guitar, I'm looking forward to the Manchester gig. I might do, um, I might do a little Stone Roses number. I haven't spoken to Claire about this.

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  Little sing-along?

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  I think I might. Yeah, I wanna, I wanna do a little sing-along.

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  Which one?

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  I don't want to say. I'll leave it for a surprise. But yeah, there are tickets available and there's fucking loads of them, aren't there, Katie? Yeah, there's loads. So like, hurry up, because they won't last long. Um, but yeah, if you're from Manchester and you want to come see me and Claire, uh, apparently people don't. So.

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  Well.

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  There's tickets.

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  I mean, I, I was at an event.

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  You was at the Palladium, weren't you?

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  And it was full, and that is a big building, though.

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  I went down a storm.

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  I was in it, wasn't I?

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  You were in it, yeah. People loved it. People absolutely loved it.

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  They, it was a good night.

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  So Manchester, if you want to be better than London.

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  Yep.

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  Go and, uh, go and buy some tickets. I'm looking forward to the Manchester gig. I love Manchester. Uh, anyway. Anyway, Joe, we do have to do a podcast.

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  We have to, don't we?

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  We've got to do another one of these. What episode are we on? Twenty seven?

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  Episode twenty seven.

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  Shall we do it?

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  Joe and James. Joe and James. Ah, Joe and James. Joe and James.

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  My energy's terrible.

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  Are you alright?

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  These two-

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  No, it's okay.

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  We're gonna really dip. It's gonna be two weeks in a row where like, a lot of people are gonna switch off and we're gonna have to- I'm gonna have to get, I'm gonna have to get so drunk on the next record.

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  We need to come storming back. This is like two defeats in a row.

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  I'm gonna have to get-

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  For a big team.

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  I'm gonna have to get, yeah, yeah.

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  Crisis. Big team, declaring yourself as a big team. I think we're a big team.

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  We're a big team, yeah.

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  But we're, we're a flaky big team.

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  Yeah.

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  You know, we're like-

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  People are gonna, people are gonna stop cutting their hair until we do five episodes, five good episodes in a row.

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  We are like united.

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  Yeah.

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  We're like, there's a lot of talent on the pitch, but they're all running in different directions.

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  We're all, yeah, we don't know.

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  They're actually quite good recently. Or they did lose to someone.

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  Oh, well. Anyway, welcome to Joe and James Fact Up.

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  Oh, god.

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  This will be-

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  Well, that was, no, can't even- We've got some correspondence to get us through. Okay, let's go get some correspondence.

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  Welcome to Joe and James Fact Up. Each week we'll be bringing facts to one another that we deem interesting and our policy is the more interesting, the more truities. We'll also dig into the weird things that you'd like us to get to the bottom of, but you can't be bothered to do the research yourself in a segment that we're calling Fact Check.

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  Oh. You're alright.

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  Got some gas.

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  Even though you're not having the beer, it doesn't seem to have affected your sort of general biliousness.

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  No. Biliousness. I'm right.

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  Well, bilious just sort of means like gassiness.

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  Okay.

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  But bilious is a-

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  Could have said gassiness.

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  It's a word I often use to describe the, the in-betweeners cast. They say, describe me one word, I'd say bilious.

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  Brilliant.

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  It's constantly burping and farting.

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  Send us your facts. Our email is hello at joeandjamespod.com. Our WhatsApp number is 07822 034330 and you can follow us on socials at joeandjamespod. And you can also watch full episodes of this on YouTube. Just search for Joe and James Fact Up. Now, let's get fact up.

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  Oh.

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  All right.

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  You guys have been sending in some interesting stuff for us to discuss. Thank God.

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  Yeah.

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  Dildo tubes have come back.

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  Good, good. This is something that's been a real theme throughout this series.

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  This is from James this time.

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  It's been Joe for a couple of weeks, isn't it?

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  Yeah, I feel like this is a sort of in-joke.

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  Me and Joe have had to be, had to send in our own facts to get checked because no one's sending them in.

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  We should have changed the name, shouldn't we?

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  We should have.

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  We'll just make every fact from Joe or James. We'll just do that.

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  Yeah. Yeah. Well, we had, we had two weeks on the trot from Joe, didn't we?

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  We did. I think, um, I think Lily May was sort of selecting for Joes.

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  Yeah.

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  Which, um.

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  She.

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  You know, I mean, if that's just what we're getting from the Joes, imagine what else is out there.

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  Well, let's see what the, let's see, let's see what the Jameses have got to, got to say for a change.

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  Okay.

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  Um, James says, just a quick story regarding the suck tubes from an earlier episode. Yeah, I think this is, um, part three we're on now, isn't it? Um, it was a while ago, so don't quote me on this. Tesco Superstore used to use the tubes to put money from the tills to the cash office. Yeah.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah. Um, supermarkets used to do that.

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  Yeah.

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  If your till got too full.

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  Yeah.

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  Cause obviously then you run the risk of like, stick them up.

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  Yeah.

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  Hand over your cash.

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  Yeah. Bonnie and Clyde.

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  Yeah. So if they got too full, they'd put them in the suck tubes.

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  Up it goes.

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  Up it goes right in the, right in the hole.

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  Yeah.

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  Um.

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  The bank, up to the bank.

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  Up to the bank. The members of staff would put excess cash into a big dildo looking capsule with a screw on cap. They would then put the big capsule on, in, into the tube session, uh, system, press a play button. I didn't know that. And the cash slash ca- slash capsule, that's difficult to say.

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  Cash capsule.

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  Cash capsule, capsule.

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  Our warm-up. That could be our warm-up.

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  Yeah.

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  Red lorry, yellow lorry.

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  Yeah.

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  Papa Cattapetal is a big volcano.

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  Yeah.

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  Do you ever used to do that?

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  I used to do Johnny had a head like a ping pong ball.

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  Johnny had a head like a ping pong ball.

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  What's that song, the one about the horses? Um, it's quite a famous, I'll just sing it, shall I?

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  Yeah.

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  Johnny had a head like a ping pong ball, Johnny had a head like a ping pong ball.

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  Oh, yes.

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  Johnny had a head like a ping pong ball, like a ping, like a ping pong ball. Ping pong, ping pong, ping pong, ping pong, ping pong, ping pong, ping pong ball. Ping pong, ping pong, ping pong, ping pong, ping pong, ping pong ball.

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  Yeah.

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  It was one of the warmups?

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  Yeah.

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  Um.

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  I'd never, do you do think that warming up ever made any difference? I, I mean, I, I, I used to. I remember doing a play once and the other actors being on stage.

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  I was in a play.

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  Yeah.

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  And I did do the warmup in the play, yeah, I did sort of, because I was really, I was really out of my depth doing plays. As I've already discussed, any live stuff, I'm not, I, I get, I don't, I'm not comfortable with it because I just don't know what's going to happen.

• 11:32Speaker 05

  Tickets still available for Manchester?

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  Tickets still available for Manchester. Um, I do, um, no, but that, I, I, I, I'll be having a few beers.

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  Yes.

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  Obviously, when I'm doing a play, you can't drink.

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  It's frowned on. I tell you what, I mean, back in the day, I think it was fine.

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  Yeah.

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  You know.

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  Yeah, they all used to get sloshed, didn't they?

• 11:51Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, the Mad Men era, I mean, they were, people in offices were drunk.

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  Who's that? Oh, sorry, Mad Men.

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  Mad Men. So if you went to the theatre, I mean.

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  Yeah, I can't, like, you're, like, Richard Harris and people like that, they'd be, they were fucking.

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  I can't remember whether I've told this story on this podcast or not, but one of those, uh, might have been Peter O'Toole.

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  Yeah, he was the other one, wasn't he?

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  He, uh, he was in a pub in London's West End.

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  Yeah.

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  Absolutely rat arsed.

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  Yeah.

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  And the chap comes over to him.

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  I think you've told me this story. I don't know if you've told me this. Maybe. And they were like, mate, you're supposed to be on stage.

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  No, no, no, it wasn't that. Peter O'Toole said, there's a wonderful play on next door, come and, come and watch it with me. And the guy goes to the theatre with him and it's already started.

• 12:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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  And Peter O'Toole says, oh, well, the next bit that comes up is really marvellous. Uh, and the guy says, what happens in it? And Peter O'Toole goes, oh, fuck. And he runs off and then he appears on stage.

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  Right.

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  Brilliant. So, you know.

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  Can't get away with that these days.

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  No.

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  Um, anyway, uh, the cash, the cash capsule is sucked away. However, one genius criminal found the tube system in the roof above the toilets. So he locked himself in the cubicle, climbed up into the roof space and cut out a section of the tubes, but left the flap so that the suction would still work. But as the capsule came by, he stopped the capsule, stole the money, climbed back down from the ceiling and left the toilet a little richer. I think he got caught eventually because he got too greedy. Um, but I like to think he had his own personal cash machine. Um, I believe it was known as the 2007 pneumatic tube heist.

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  I think James is white. I think.

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  I don't know. I don't, I, I don't know. The details feel like cutting the, cutting a space, but leaving a flap. It feels like the guy actually did have.

• 13:54Speaker 04

  It's got to be airtight, hasn't it?

• 13:56Speaker 05

  But I, I don't know. I sort of, it feels like it might be true because of that point of detail. And the point of detail about being in the toilet cubicle, that sort of.

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  Hmm.

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  It sort of rings true somehow. And like, and I like, he left the toilet a little richer. It's nicely written.

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  Yeah. It was a lovely, good penmanship there.

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  We always feel like, whenever I leave the toilet, I always feel like I leave a little richer. I'm a bit more comfortable.

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  I'm a bit lighter.

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  A bit lighter. Yeah, normally you leave lighter, but this guy was leaving heavier.

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  Yeah.

• 14:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

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  But, uh, James does say, thanks for the podcast. It's brilliant. So I know for a fact that that was a whole wind up.

• 14:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, you had me until that bit about the podcast. No, no one would say that.

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  I'm Claire Buckley and this Halloween on my podcast, Pretty Scary, we are going to cover the stories that keep you up at night. Real crimes, ghosts and aliens. Plus the scariest movies to watch this spooky season with the lights off. So as the nights draw in, the pumpkins are carved and somewhere in the dark, something is scratching at the window.

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  It's probably just the cat, right?

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  Get the candles lit in search for Pretty Scary with Claire Buckley.

• 15:58Speaker 04

  But it is time for my fact. And did you know today is World Health Day, Jo? I'm sure you did know because we've both had to come in with facts for it. So today we're bringing you some of the healthiest facts going. So you'll be getting you, you'll be getting two of your five a day courtesy of us.

• 16:15Speaker 05

  Nice. If you need five facts a day, you're only three now.

• 16:20Speaker 04

  Let me show you what I've been looking up because I'm interested in health.

• 16:26Speaker 05

  Yep.

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  I think we all are, aren't we?

• 16:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, we all are.

• 16:29Speaker 04

  And I think it sort of might derail your

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  facts because we were just chatting a little bit. But I wanted to know, what are those things that have been advertised to us as very healthy? And, you know, you should do this, you should do more of this.

• 16:49Speaker 05

  Apples.

• 16:50Speaker 04

  Well, I'll get to that in a second, Jo. But are actually bad for you.

• 16:53Speaker 05

  Oh, I see. You want to know what are the category of things?

• 16:56Speaker 04

  Yeah. So I've got a couple of things here that if you think, and it's a bit of a sort of slap in the face really, because there'll be people listening going, oh, man, I've been doing that because I thought, you know, it was a good thing to do. I wasn't even really enjoying it. So it might be some good news. It might mean that you get to stop doing that thing that you don't really like. First of all, first up is fruit juice. Fruit juice. Sounds healthy, comes from a fruit. But it's, it can behave more like, like fizzy drink in the body.

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  Lot of sugar.

• 17:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, very high in sugar. Um, there's no fibre. Cause it's just juice. So your blood sugar spikes quickly. Um, and it's easy to drink several fruits worth of calories in seconds.

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  Yeah.

• 17:49Speaker 04

  Um, better options, eat the whole fruit. Which includes fibre and slows sugar absorption.

• 17:56Speaker 05

  Hmm, yeah.

• 17:57Speaker 04

  A glass of orange juice can contain four to six oranges worth of sugar.

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  And when you think about it, you wouldn't probably sit down and consume six oranges.

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  No, you'd have one.

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  You'd have one, maybe two.

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  Maybe another one.

• 18:15Speaker 05

  Maybe two.

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  If you're feeling fruity. Um.

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  Dear. Oh, no.

• 18:22Speaker 05

  No, that's, that's okay.

• 18:24Speaker 04

  That's fine.

• 18:25Speaker 05

  It meets the required standard, believe me.

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  Uh, flavoured yoghurt. Yogurt itself can be healthy, but many supermarket, market versions are basically dessert in disguise. Some contain twenty to thirty grams of added sugar, artificial flavourings and syrups. Uh, and it's a small amount of protein compared to plain yoghurt.

• 18:45Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 18:46Speaker 04

  What's plain yoghurt then?

• 18:48Speaker 05

  That's like, um.

• 18:49Speaker 04

  How do they make yoghurt? I assume it's from milk.

• 18:52Speaker 05

  It's, yeah, it's milk with a, with a culture in it that turns it into yoghurt. Um.

• 19:01Speaker 04

  There's a culture, cultural thing.

• 19:03Speaker 05

  It's a cultural thing, yeah. They, um.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  So it's milk that appropriates.

• 19:10Speaker 05

  It's milk where, you know, an artist in residence goes in and says, let's all, um, collaborate on, you know, a big.

• 19:22Speaker 04

  Better option, better option for you, Joe. Um, plain Greek yoghurt with real fruit or honey.

• 19:29Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 19:30Speaker 04

  That's fine. Granola.

• 19:32Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 19:33Speaker 04

  Groze come up. I thought that was like, people were going, it wasn't that long ago that people were going granola mad. Why it's deceptive, Joe. It's often baked with sugar, honey or syrup. It's very high calorie density. And it's easy to eat six hundred plus calories without even noticing. A small bowl can equal a chocolate bar's worth of calories.

• 19:57Speaker 05

  It's stuff that that I think has a kind of root that's healthy.

• 20:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:05Speaker 05

  But has then been somewhat adulterated.

• 20:07Speaker 04

  I can see the thing.

• 20:08Speaker 05

  Yoga itself is healthy. I think granola itself, if it's if it's a mixture of like oats and like dry fruit and nuts.

• 20:16Speaker 04

  I think it's sugar.

• 20:17Speaker 05

  It's sugar. Yeah, it it's if you're buying something that has had a lot of sugar added to it. And perhaps other things as well.

• 20:24Speaker 04

  Hasn't there been some recent stuff coming out about sugar? Let me rephrase that, actually. I forgot what podcast we're on. There's been some recent stuff that's come out lately.

• 20:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 04

  About sugar, Joe.

• 20:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:34Speaker 04

  I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna inform you.

• 20:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, we're not. We're not asking.

• 20:38Speaker 04

  No.

• 20:38Speaker 05

  We're not asking to be corroborated or otherwise.

• 20:41Speaker 04

  Cancer cells feed off sugar. And and if you get rid of sugar, if you just eliminate sugar. Um, then you then you can starve them. You can starve cancer cells and they die.

• 20:55Speaker 05

  Um, that might, there might be something to that. And I'm sure that diet has a big impact on things like cancer.

• 21:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:06Speaker 05

  Um.

• 21:07Speaker 04

  But yeah, it is.

• 21:08Speaker 05

  Cancer is obviously just such a complex disease. It seems as though there's it has to be attacked from every possible angle. So, yeah, why not? Why not attack it with from the diet angle as well?

• 21:17Speaker 04

  Smoothies, same again, too much sugar.

• 21:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:21Speaker 04

  Unless you've like prepared it yourself.

• 21:24Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 21:24Speaker 04

  Because smoothies can be really healthy, can't they? Because it is just a mashed up bit of the fruit that you were gonna eat anyway. So it does have the fibre in it. It's not as bad as fruit juice.

• 21:33Speaker 05

  If you if you have something like a, um. Ah, this really doesn't work unless I can remember what it's called.

• 21:40Speaker 04

  No. Shall I move? Shall I carry on? And then you you find out.

• 21:44Speaker 05

  I don't even. I can't be bothered to find out what it's called.

• 21:50Speaker 04

  Um, but yeah, loads of, unless you can make smoothies.

• 21:53Speaker 05

  I can't get fire mixed out my head, but it's not that.

• 21:55Speaker 04

  You can make smoothies yourself, which I think a lot of people do, do. But if you get the store bought ones, um, some smoothie chains serve drinks with more sugar than fizzy drinks.

• 22:05Speaker 05

  Oh, but also I think it's this thing where you feel that you've got permission to eat this thing, to devour this thing really quickly.

• 22:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:11Speaker 05

  Cause it's healthy. So you think, oh God, just get it into me.

• 22:15Speaker 04

  One that's, I think we're all starting to clock on is low fat foods. Low fat craze led to some very misleading products. When fat is removed, companies often add sugar, refined starch, artificial flavourings. Fat actually helps with, um, s- sati-

• 22:36Speaker 05

  Satiation?

• 22:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:38Speaker 05

  So feeling full.

• 22:39Speaker 04

  Satiety and hormone balance.

• 22:42Speaker 05

  Satiety.

• 22:43Speaker 04

  Satiety? It might be society.

• 22:45Speaker 05

  Satiety, yes, fullness, or the sense of feeling full.

• 22:49Speaker 04

  Fat actually helps with satiety and hormone, uh, hormone balance. So removing it can make foods less satisfying and more processed.

• 22:57Speaker 05

  I think that the common thread here basically seems to be there are no cheat codes.

• 23:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:02Speaker 05

  When it comes to food, you need to eat real food. That's it.

• 23:06Speaker 04

  Um, yeah. Good rule is look at sugar, sugar content, processing.

• 23:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, this is, yeah, this is a thing that I've.

• 23:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:16Speaker 05

  You know.

• 23:17Speaker 04

  Um, often the healthiest foods are the least marketed. Eggs, vegetables, whole fruit, fish and nuts.

• 23:23Speaker 05

  Of course, because who, who's profiting from, you know, the fish aren't going to advertise it, are they?

• 23:29Speaker 04

  No, but they're.

• 23:30Speaker 05

  Unless you can trademark it, no one's gonna.

• 23:32Speaker 04

  But we are overfishing, aren't we?

• 23:34Speaker 05

  I believe we are.

• 23:36Speaker 04

  Yeah. We're destroying. Did you hear my stomach?

• 23:40Speaker 05

  I did hear that, yeah. Is it just because we're talking about food?

• 23:42Speaker 04

  I think it is.

• 23:43Speaker 05

  It's incredibly simple.

• 23:44Speaker 04

  Talking about fish.

• 23:45Speaker 05

  Oh, all this talk of fish is making me hungry.

• 23:48Speaker 04

  Honestly, I was, I was in my head literally thinking of, um, some salmon sizzling in a pan.

• 23:57Speaker 05

  Sizzling in a pan. I'm punching Judy.

• 24:03Speaker 04

  See, and if I was drunk now, my brain wouldn't be wandering off into this nonsense.

• 24:07Speaker 05

  If you were drunk now, you'd be on Deliveroo.

• 24:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:09Speaker 05

  Ordering up a delicious fried salmon.

• 24:11Speaker 04

  Do you remember when you had to wake me up during a?

• 24:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, I remember that.

• 24:14Speaker 04

  During, when we were doing a press interview.

• 24:16Speaker 05

  You were asleep.

• 24:17Speaker 04

  I just fell asleep. I put some sunglasses on and fell asleep because they're so boring.

• 24:21Speaker 05

  They were asking you questions and I was trying to cover for you.

• 24:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:23Speaker 05

  I was trying to intercede before the question reached you going, well, I think what James is saying.

• 24:32Speaker 04

  I think some of them are on YouTube because there's, um.

• 24:36Speaker 05

  You woke up and said you'd been having a dream about a rhinoceros.

• 24:38Speaker 04

  That's right, yeah. It's like, that was weird, Joe. I was dreaming about a rhino. Um.

• 24:42Speaker 05

  Not information that I could use at the time, nor could the interviewer.

• 24:46Speaker 04

  But I think there's some, some of them are on YouTube. I don't know. I, I don't think the thing of me actually asleep is on YouTube. But in my defence, we'd gone to, I think it was when we were on, in Australia. Maybe that, maybe it wasn't.

• 24:59Speaker 05

  Well, I.

• 25:01Speaker 04

  They are really boring.

• 25:02Speaker 05

  They're by Australia, you mean?

• 25:06Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 25:06Speaker 05

  Well, no, I don't know. It was with the radio. I think it was with the radio.

• 25:08Speaker 04

  Oh, right. Okay. Then, then I don't have an excuse.

• 25:11Speaker 05

  Well, it might have been.

• 25:11Speaker 04

  I was about to come up with an excuse, but I remember feeling really sleepy.

• 25:14Speaker 05

  You might have been tired. I mean, that's.

• 25:15Speaker 04

  I remember feeling really sleepy when, when, went to Australia because I was jet lagged.

• 25:19Speaker 05

  The jet lag was huge.

• 25:20Speaker 04

  And I did put, I did put some sunglasses on and they always used to do this thing where they'd set up four, they'd set up two stools and two chairs because there's four of us. So two of us would sit at the back and two of us would sit at the front. And, um, a couple of times I sat, sat at the front for those interviews. And then after a while, I learned very quickly just to always sit at the back. And, um, then I could put some sunglasses on and just, just sit like this, like there was, there was. Because you're sat there for hours and hours and hours, by the way, because you have this, you have people come in and they've got like a minute with you and they're like timed and stuff. And they go, right, what, what can we expect from this new Inbetweeners film? And that's, you answer the same question over and over again.

• 26:05Speaker 05

  You answer the same question.

• 26:06Speaker 04

  And I did. I was just falling asleep. Um, a bit like now.

• 26:11Speaker 05

  But, you know, let, let's, um, well, we've, we've, so we've had, um.

• 26:15Speaker 04

  But that was just some good, that was just some good advice from Buckley.

• 26:20Speaker 04

  I mean, my diet's terrible. I eat all the worst stuff. Um, but that's it. That's all we need to know about that. Oh, I've come out of the thing.

• 26:29Speaker 05

  But I think.

• 26:29Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 26:31Speaker 05

  You're not on.

• 26:32Speaker 04

  I pressed backwards. Is it that one?

• 26:36Speaker 05

  You're just on.

• 26:37Speaker 04

  It doesn't matter. I've not.

• 26:38Speaker 05

  You're just on Fruit Ninja.

• 26:41Speaker 05

  I see you going.

• 26:43Speaker 04

  Fruit Ninja.

• 26:44Speaker 05

  That's when I'll know. Fruit Ninja, that was a while ago.

• 26:47Speaker 04

  That was a while ago. Fruit Ninja.

• 26:49Speaker 05

  I thought that was a comparatively up to date reference.

• 26:51Speaker 04

  Angry pigs as well. Damon.

• 26:54Speaker 05

  Pigs?

• 26:55Speaker 04

  Is that what it was called? Angry Birds. Sorry, yeah. Angry Birds. No, they fired at them. They were fired at pigs, weren't they?

• 27:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:03Speaker 04

  Because I remember Damon.

• 27:04Speaker 05

  You had to kill the pigs.

• 27:05Speaker 04

  Do you remember Damon got obsessed with it? He got.

• 27:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, Damon got obsessed with it while working on the Inbetweeners film. Where you're like, aren't you supposed to be?

• 27:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, we would like.

• 27:14Speaker 05

  Well, ideally not.

• 27:14Speaker 04

  We were, we were in Malia, wherever it was. Not Malia, Magaluf. We were in Magaluf and we were making the film. And we were trying to make the film and Damon was coming up to me going, here, look, look, watch this one. He was going, I'm gonna get you little piggies. He was like saying that to me. I was like, mate, you're gonna be in charge. You're gonna be running this show.

• 27:35Speaker 05

  I don't remember that. He shouldn't have been allowed um, an iPad.

• 27:40Speaker 04

  No, absolutely shouldn't have. Um, Joe, it is time for fact check.

• 27:47Speaker 05

  Great.

• 27:47Speaker 04

  Um, this is the part of the show where we read a fact or question that you'd like us to get to the bottom of. And then we're gonna have a good old think during the break and we'll come back and let you know how true it feels to us. Uh, and to decide whether it passes our fact check. Uh, shall I? Do you wanna read it or shall I? Oh, no.

• 28:02Speaker 05

  Well, I've, I've been invited by the, the document that, uh, that's up on.

• 28:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, it does say Joe.

• 28:10Speaker 04

  It does say you read it.

• 28:11Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 28:12Speaker 04

  Go on, you read it.

• 28:13Speaker 05

  Right, so, um.

• 28:14Speaker 04

  I'm just gonna put my sunglasses on.

• 28:15Speaker 05

  Right, yeah. Okay, you go and, you go and check in with Mrs Rhino. Okay, so this week's fact check comes from JVB who has emailed us. Dear Joe, James and Queen Lily May.

• 28:29Speaker 04

  She's not here. She's not here this week.

• 28:30Speaker 05

  Not here this week, but, uh, you know, uh, another royal.

• 28:36Speaker 04

  We've got King Pete.

• 28:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, we have.

• 28:39Speaker 04

  Who does have, you do have a bit of a Henry VIII.

• 28:43Speaker 07

  It's the nicest thing anyone's ever said.

• 28:45Speaker 05

  Young Henry, young Henry.

• 28:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, young Henry, young handsome Henry.

• 28:48Speaker 07

  Only got one wife though.

• 28:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:51Speaker 04

  Not pussy legged fat boy.

• 28:52Speaker 07

  Great, thank you.

• 28:54Speaker 04

  You're welcome.

• 29:00Speaker 05

  So, yeah, the, I suppose.

• 29:02Speaker 04

  He's ginger, he's ginger. He's ginger and he's got a beard.

• 29:06Speaker 05

  So the Queen isn't here, but you, but we, but consider that you, you know, you're receiving a, a letter on, you know, headed paper from Clarence House.

• 29:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:13Speaker 05

  Saying that the Queen has read your letter and was very, very moved to hear that, you know, whatever.

• 29:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:20Speaker 05

  So, here we go.

• 29:21Speaker 07

  I should say Queen Lili May is absolutely devastated. She's not in the room for this letter.

• 29:24Speaker 04

  Oh, she'll be all right.

• 29:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, she'll, yeah.

• 29:27Speaker 04

  She'll bounce back.

• 29:28Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 29:30Speaker 05

  Here we go. You ready?

• 29:31Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 29:32Speaker 05

  Bit of a long one, apologies, but I'd like your ruling as to whether it's a fact that I may or may not have inadvertently invented dogging.

• 29:40Speaker 04

  Right.

• 29:43Speaker 05

  Okay. Okay, obviously this is quite long. It was the late 1980s. I was 16 and had somehow managed to attract my first girlfriend. One extremely hot summer evening, we spent an hour or so snogging in a local park and much to my delight. Her hand had been in my jeans and actually making physical contact with my very much virginal willy.

• 30:04Speaker 04

  Well, that's it. That's, that's it. Complete it, mate.

• 30:08Speaker 05

  No conclusions were brought about.

• 30:11Speaker 04

  That's as good as it gets.

• 30:13Speaker 05

  But her graceful touch did ensure my tumessence would be a 10 on the MOHS scale.

• 30:18Speaker 04

  Hmm, for the foreseeable future.

• 30:20Speaker 05

  For the foreseeable future.

• 30:22Speaker 04

  What's that? Pete, what's the MOHS scale?

• 30:26Speaker 07

  I mean, it says it's the scale mineral resistance, so I don't think that's right.

• 30:30Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 30:31Speaker 05

  Okay, well, maybe it's, so, oh, as in, yeah, it's, it's like diamond hard. Like for the, yeah, so it's hard as a diamond, basically.

• 30:38Speaker 04

  Good.

• 30:39Speaker 05

  Okay, for the foreseeable future.

• 30:42Speaker 05

  Curfew looming, I walked my sweet temptress home, then set off for my home on my 12-speed racing bike, the transport of choice for the discerning teen at the time.

• 30:52Speaker 04

  Who is this guy?

• 30:53Speaker 05

  I like it. I'm sure you and all your male listeners remember how uncomfortable it was trying to contain a raging hard-on of youthful vigour inside a pair of jeans. Well, that discomfort multiplies exponentially while trying to ride a bike at the same time.

• 31:07Speaker 04

  I can imagine.

• 31:08Speaker 05

  I got half a mile, but it felt like my cock was being bent 180 degrees in the wrong direction, I know what you mean actually, and about to snap off at the mons pubis. It's very, there's a surprising amount of sort of technical language. You need a fucking glossary or something. The pain had to be lessened.

• 31:27Speaker 05

  I was in a quiet residential backstreet, so I dismounted and scanned up and down the road for signs of life, of which thankfully there were none. Then things happened very quickly. I unbuttoned the Levi's, the young fella, at last free of constraint, sprang out and found itself engulfed in the soothing evening breeze. This sudden release from confinement, mixed with the soft caress of mother, soft caress of mother nature, not actually caress though, is it, proved too much for my bean-off powder keg, and it instantly went off.

• 32:02Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 32:02Speaker 05

  Jesus Christ, liberally splattering the rear passenger window of the parked car beside me.

• 32:09Speaker 04

  This, right, Jesus, sounds like a fucking cult.

• 32:14Speaker 05

  Sure. Yeah, this is like the one about, I, I was, I was merely trying to climb up to my bedroom window.

• 32:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:21Speaker 05

  I fell down.

• 32:23Speaker 04

  I slipped and fell.

• 32:24Speaker 05

  I slipped and fell. My trousers and pants both fell down and I fell onto the bottle of ketchup. With horror, I now saw that behind the window was the face of an incredulous bloke staring back at me through the gobbits of my, of my white-hot jizz.

• 32:37Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 32:39Speaker 05

  It became instantly apparent that he, he'd been enjoying a bit of backseat carnal congress with a lady friend. What the fuck is that? Like, is everyone just fucking ejaculating all the time in what he thought was a secluded area where they'd be undisturbed? Instead, he glanced up, only to be saved by a couple of millimetres of glass from a substantial facial courtesy of a 16-year-old boy.

• 33:03Speaker 05

  I jumped back on my bike and began pedaling like my life depended on it, oblivious to the fact my cock was still out and still standing to attention, but all too aware of the muffled screams from the bloke's girlfriend ringing out behind me.

• 33:20Speaker 05

  In conclusion, I don't remember hearing about dogging until the early 2000s, and this all took place in the late 1980s, so did I accidentally invent it? Maybe the bloke told some mates, a few of whom thought being watched by strangers while making "The Beast with Two Backs", genuinely a Shakespearean reference, in a car, sounded good. Or maybe the bloke and his lady friend found it very much floated their boat and actively pursued it thereafter. So I'd appreciate your decision as to whether it's a fact that I invented dogging or not. Cheers, JVB, full name anonymized, obviously. Yeah, so, yeah.

• 33:54Speaker 04

  Right, let's have a little break and we'll get into this.

• 33:57Speaker 05

  Okay.

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• 35:56Speaker 05

  Okay, right, so I've just eaten, I've just eaten some corn. Corn and corn chips.

• 36:04Speaker 04

  Corn and corn chips, barbecue flavoured.

• 36:06Speaker 05

  Barbecue flavoured, coated peas, crunchy corn chips. Um, but if you don't like corn chips.

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• 36:22Speaker 04

  Right, here we go. We are trying to get to the bottom of JVB's story, who claims to have accidentally invented dogging.

• 36:33Speaker 05

  So my first issue with this is that I don't, I think dogging, like was, I, I, I think this kind of was the era of dogging.

• 36:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think it was.

• 36:43Speaker 05

  So I don't think it was like, this was the first.

• 36:45Speaker 04

  I wouldn't be surprised if it was late seventies, early eighties where dogging started. And the only reason I know that is because we did a TV show that was set in the early eighties. And.

• 36:57Speaker 05

  There was a dogging storyline.

• 36:59Speaker 04

  Yeah. My character's like, oh, I've heard of this thing called dogging. We should all get involved. And it just ended up us being in a car in a forest with a load of men wanking over us.

• 37:10Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 37:10Speaker 04

  Hang on, was that this show or was that? No.

• 37:13Speaker 05

  Um, that was.

• 37:14Speaker 04

  That was my other dream.

• 37:15Speaker 05

  That's, yeah.

• 37:18Speaker 04

  I like that JVB has stayed anonymous. If that's your initials.

• 37:26Speaker 04

  They seem quite specific.

• 37:28Speaker 05

  Middle initial as well.

• 37:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, middle initial, J V B, and also the way you talk right.

• 37:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:35Speaker 04

  You know, um, a hand had been in my jeans and actually making physical contact with my very much virgin, virginal willy.

• 37:42Speaker 05

  It's quite, um.

• 37:43Speaker 04

  All that sort of stuff.

• 37:44Speaker 05

  It's quite, um.

• 37:45Speaker 04

  Curfew looming. It's very descriptive.

• 37:48Speaker 05

  There's quite a big vocabulary.

• 37:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. I think you've narrowed yourself down, mate.

• 37:54Speaker 04

  I think there'll be people listening to this going, oh, that's Jason Victor.

• 38:00Speaker 05

  Or is it like, um.

• 38:01Speaker 04

  Broom.

• 38:04Speaker 05

  Or is it like Van Basten? Like it's, uh, we're looking for a fellow from the Low Countries.

• 38:11Speaker 04

  Mate, yeah, yeah. Um, but yeah, I, I think we're gonna, uh, we're just gonna go straight into this one, Joe. Just because we do have some prior knowledge on dogging.

• 38:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, um, we, the, the timeline, the timeline, I think, doesn't work for this to have been the invention of dogging.

• 38:28Speaker 04

  I think dogging was definitely something happening before the late eighties. Um, I'd make, I'd definitely early eighties.

• 38:35Speaker 05

  And I, I, and I'm not sure, and I'm not sure that the, um, that the early two thousands were the birth of

• 38:41Speaker 04

  No.

• 38:41Speaker 05

  Dogging. I, I mean, that was, that was like the era of the, you know, the Millennium Dome. There wasn't an, an area in the Millennium Dome where they were like, oh, and look, this is, you know, in a few years' time, we'd all be, you know, we'll have like smartphones, dogging, that's gonna be, that's, that's, that's coming down the pipe. Oh, yeah, that, yeah.

• 39:02Speaker 04

  So everyone was entering that body, weren't they? That's sort of dogging.

• 39:06Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, you know, it, I mean.

• 39:10Speaker 04

  Is that right? Am I misremembering that? There was a great big body that you could walk through or something. I did go to the Millennium Dome.

• 39:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, it was, I couldn't work out whether it was supposed to be, well, I was supposed to be learning, whether I was supposed to be having fun.

• 39:22Speaker 04

  I just remember I got.

• 39:23Speaker 05

  It was the Blue Peter problem. It was like, is it, which one is it?

• 39:25Speaker 04

  What do you want from me, Blue Peter?

• 39:27Speaker 05

  What do you want? Is it supposed to be a laugh? Am I supposed to be learning?

• 39:29Speaker 04

  Blue Peter was too much learning for me. I was like, I've just fucking finished school.

• 39:34Speaker 05

  If you're trying to teach me, I'd rather know. I wanna know.

• 39:37Speaker 04

  Yeah. I didn't mind news rounds though.

• 39:41Speaker 05

  I quite like newsround.

• 39:42Speaker 04

  It was good for kids.

• 39:43Speaker 05

  It was quite short, wasn't it? It was about six minutes.

• 39:46Speaker 04

  Oh, there was, uh, one of the newsround readers. I was just in love with her. I think her name, I think her name was Lily, actually. I might be wrong.

• 39:57Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 39:57Speaker 04

  Those were the days. Got to drink more. Got to drink more. But yeah, no, dogging was definitely about, what you did there was you just wanked. You went down an alley and, and wanked over a couple. And then ran away, then rode away on your bike with your cock still out.

• 40:18Speaker 05

  Oh. Oh dear.

• 40:21Speaker 04

  Oblivious to the fact my cock was still out.

• 40:26Speaker 04

  Oh, was that still out? I was completely oblivious. Imagine turning up to the office. And people are like, oh, what's going on there? You go, oh, oh, God, is that out? I was, I was completely oblivious to that. Thanks for letting me know. That would have been embarrassing.

• 40:42Speaker 05

  Oh dear. Um.

• 40:45Speaker 04

  I'm saying no, it's not fact up.

• 40:48Speaker 05

  I know, it's not, it's, it's not, it's not the invention of dogging, is it?

• 40:52Speaker 04

  Have we got some, um, King Peter, have we got some actual? Information about dogging?

• 40:57Speaker 07

  I have had to Google on my work laptop, the history of dogging.

• 41:01Speaker 04

  Brilliant.

• 41:02Speaker 07

  So the term exploded into public awareness between two thousand and three and two thousand and five.

• 41:07Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 41:08Speaker 07

  That's when dogging became mainstream, is what it says here.

• 41:10Speaker 04

  Right.

• 41:11Speaker 07

  Um, but the term dogging, uh, is known to have existed from around the nineteen seventies.

• 41:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:17Speaker 05

  So it came into public awareness in two thousand and maybe two thousand and five?

• 41:20Speaker 07

  That's when it went mainstream, when dogging went mainstream.

• 41:22Speaker 04

  I think it was very underground. It was very sort of, and so it fucking should be.

• 41:26Speaker 05

  But then dogging got that big deal with Tesco, didn't it?

• 41:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:29Speaker 05

  It became.

• 41:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, they did, they did a big collab.

• 41:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, it won Britain's Got Talent, didn't it? And then, then it, dogging won Britain's Got Talent.

• 41:37Speaker 04

  No, it won the first pop idol.

• 41:39Speaker 05

  It won the first pop idol. Yeah, the one that everyone forgets about.

• 41:42Speaker 04

  Everyone forgets about that one.

• 41:43Speaker 05

  Don't they? But actually, the very first pop idol was won by dogging.

• 41:46Speaker 04

  Oh God, two thousand and three, everyone was at it. Everyone was dogging.

• 41:49Speaker 05

  Oh God, do you remember? And like, everyone was getting it for Christmas, weren't they? Dogging.

• 41:54Speaker 04

  It's family fun.

• 41:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, oh god, so what, oh, that takes me back.

• 41:58Speaker 04

  So, there we go, there's some information about dogging for you.

• 42:01Speaker 05

  I don't, I can't, I must have, I can't, oh, anyway.

• 42:06Speaker 07

  It was made illegal in nineteen eighty six, so there was sixteen years of legal dogging.

• 42:10Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 42:11Speaker 05

  It was made illegal in nineteen eighty six.

• 42:13Speaker 04

  What's illegal about it though?

• 42:15Speaker 05

  It, it got its big breakthrough in two thousand and three.

• 42:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, what, what's illegal about it?

• 42:20Speaker 05

  It's probably like public indecency.

• 42:21Speaker 07

  Public Order Act, yeah, voyeurism and exhibitionism.

• 42:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 42:26Speaker 05

  It's not really exhibitionism though, is it?

• 42:27Speaker 04

  I don't know, man.

• 42:30Speaker 04

  I think they're usually pretty, um, from what I know about dogging, Joe.

• 42:34Speaker 05

  But you have to kind of, you have to work quite hard, I mean.

• 42:37Speaker 04

  They're pretty well organised, and also I've like, I've driven through, through places and mates have been like, that's a well-known dogging site down there, you go, all right, so they know where it's about, so you sort of go, I won't go down, if I'm not into dogging, I'll, I'll avoid it.

• 42:52Speaker 05

  It seems very unlikely that you would accidentally see some dogging.

• 42:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:57Speaker 05

  So, oh god, I was just in the forest in the middle of the night for no reason.

• 43:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly, yeah.

• 43:02Speaker 05

  And now I've seen these exhibitionists.

• 43:04Speaker 04

  Don't get me wrong.

• 43:05Speaker 05

  Shoving it in my face.

• 43:06Speaker 04

  If it was two o'clock in the afternoon, I think that'd be out of order.

• 43:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, if you were doing it on like the fourth, the fourth plinth in the Falmouth Square.

• 43:13Speaker 04

  If it's post watershed, so if it's after nine o'clock and you're in, and you're in a forest car park or something, then,

• 43:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:20Speaker 04

  what do you expect?

• 43:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly.

• 43:22Speaker 04

  I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I, I wouldn't make it illegal.

• 43:26Speaker 04

  Makes people happy dogging, doesn't it? What's wrong with that?

• 43:28Speaker 05

  If the people doing it like it, and the people watching like it, I don't really.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  What the world needs now, Joe, is love, sweet love.

• 43:37Speaker 05

  That's it.

• 43:38Speaker 04

  All you need is.

• 43:40Speaker 07

  Do you want to know where the cap, where the capital of dogging in the UK is?

• 43:42Speaker 04

  Nottingham.

• 43:44Speaker 05

  Can I actually guess?

• 43:45Speaker 07

  Yeah, go on.

• 43:46Speaker 05

  I can say Essex.

• 43:47Speaker 04

  I'm gonna say Birmingham, Leicester, Nottingham, so, and it's all somewhere in the middle.

• 43:54Speaker 07

  Uh, well, it says here, it's, uh, New Forest Car Park or Clapham Common.

• 43:59Speaker 04

  Wow, Clapham Common.

• 44:00Speaker 05

  So it is in the south, I got that right?

• 44:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:03Speaker 05

  New Forest.

• 44:04Speaker 04

  Where's New Forest?

• 44:05Speaker 05

  Well, it's, it's, um, Henry the Eighth's former, that's why Pete left.

• 44:10Speaker 05

  It's Henry the Eighth's former hunting forest. He got it so that he could go hunting.

• 44:16Speaker 04

  Go hunting, yeah.

• 44:18Speaker 07

  And Scotch Corner Services became a hot dog.

• 44:20Speaker 04

  Right.

• 44:21Speaker 05

  Scotch Corner, what is that?

• 44:22Speaker 04

  That's up where the A1 meets another road.

• 44:27Speaker 04

  I have to go past that when I'm, yeah, that's right. And then you end up driving past a place with llamas.

• 44:33Speaker 05

  Ah.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  That is true. And there's a great big fucking, there's always a traffic jam there because people slow down to look at these llamas.

• 44:41Speaker 07

  And the doggers.

• 44:42Speaker 04

  And the dogging.

• 44:43Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 44:44Speaker 04

  Um, Joe.

• 44:45Speaker 05

  Okay, so, so, so, oh, we've done that, haven't we?

• 44:48Speaker 04

  We've done that.

• 44:48Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:50Speaker 04

  I'm scared to say.

• 44:54Speaker 04

  Have you got a fact for me, Joe?

• 44:56Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 44:58Speaker 04

  Please be good.

• 45:00Speaker 05

  Right, so my, um.

• 45:02Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, Joe's facts are gonna be good. He's brought his Kindle.

• 45:04Speaker 05

  I've actually brought a Kindle in.

• 45:07Speaker 04

  Because Joe.

• 45:08Speaker 05

  This is actually, I generally.

• 45:09Speaker 04

  Because Joe is a 57 year old woman.

• 45:12Speaker 05

  This is a really, really old, uh, Kindle. I don't even know if I've said that. It is quite old though, and it's actually, it's just beginning to break. It's got a little, um.

• 45:25Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 45:26Speaker 05

  So, we are led to believe that.

• 45:32Speaker 04

  Like I'm liking this already.

• 45:34Speaker 05

  We're led to believe that we can lose weight by exercising.

• 45:37Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 45:38Speaker 05

  Because we burn lots of calories when we exercise. People with very, very active lifestyles burn.

• 45:45Speaker 04

  If you burn more calories than you ingest, then the inevitable conclusion is that you should be lighter.

• 45:51Speaker 05

  Yes, and the, the argument often seems to go, one of the reasons we have lots of people with, uh, health problems and maybe like having overweight, which I think is, you say, like, you had, you're suffering from overweight. I think that is literally, um.

• 46:12Speaker 04

  Suffering from weight.

• 46:13Speaker 05

  You know, you say having overweight, I can't, yeah, I've, I've heard it used in a different way. Anyway, so people with, with more, with more weight than they like, than they would want, and maybe it's affecting their health.

• 46:23Speaker 05

  We're often led to believe that it's because they have very sedentary lifestyles and it's not what's going into their body. The problem is the fact they're not burning it off.

• 46:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:34Speaker 05

  It's kind of not really true.

• 46:36Speaker 04

  Well, I.

• 46:37Speaker 05

  It's not really true. And, and so the, so this is, this is the book.

• 46:40Speaker 04

  I'm getting heavier as I get older, but I wasn't

• 46:45Speaker 04

  an active young man.

• 46:46Speaker 05

  Well, partly that's, I think, the, you know, the faster metabolism of humans.

• 46:49Speaker 04

  That's it, yeah.

• 46:50Speaker 05

  But even so, people often say, well, it would be all right to eat lots of chocolate bars and drink lots of sugary drinks if you were a coal miner and you were burning eight thousand calories a day.

• 47:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, don't, um.

• 47:02Speaker 05

  But.

• 47:02Speaker 04

  If people go like to the Antarctic or something, then they take chocolate bars with them or something like.

• 47:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, but actually the number of calories you burn per day isn't that different irrespective of whether you're sitting in an office all day, you're a coal miner, or even if you have a kind of hunter gatherer lifestyle. So this book is Ultra Processed People by Chris Van Tullikin. And there was this thing going around that coal miners burned eight thousand calories a day.

• 47:32Speaker 04

  Right.

• 47:32Speaker 05

  But no one had ever really checked that. Somebody just sort of made that up.

• 47:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:35Speaker 05

  Kind of entered the, the kind of, it'd become like common parlance. So then, I'm just quoting now, it turned out that no one actually measured coal miners in those studies. The data were all based on surveys and assumptions about time use. When a team from the USA and Turkey actually measured coal miners with heart rate monitors, they found that the miners burned between two thousand one hundred and two thousand eight hundred calories per day, the same as the rest of us. And the same goes for uh, studies of some people called the Hadza, a population of hunter gatherers living in savanna woodland in northern Tanzania.

• 48:13Speaker 05

  The results were so surprising that the team recalculated them again and again. Convinced they had to be wrong because very much contrary to expectations, the number of calories that had to adult burn was found to be very similar to that of American and European populations.

• 48:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 48:26Speaker 05

  So essentially.

• 48:28Speaker 04

  This is good news.

• 48:29Speaker 05

  The idea that you can eat a load of junk food, but it's all right because you can burn it off.

• 48:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:35Speaker 05

  It's not really true and it's basically a myth that's propagated by the fast food industries so that they can say it's all right. Our food isn't unhealthy if it's causing you to put on weights because of your sedentary lifestyle. And that's why there are so many sponsorship deals with football teams, et cetera.

• 48:51Speaker 04

  It just comes down to, but I think even sort of.

• 48:53Speaker 05

  If you want to lose weight, it's diet.

• 48:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, even even personal trainers, people that work, people that aren't trying, because there are, there are a lot of them. I think there is a, an appetite, for want of a better word.

• 49:06Speaker 05

  Not bad, actually.

• 49:07Speaker 04

  For, for, and I get them come up on my Instagram, for personal trainers and people that are into fitness and stuff like that. Actually dispelling myths and saying, listen, I know.

• 49:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, I get some of this.

• 49:20Speaker 04

  People will say to you, if you do this, you'll have abs and rock and, you know, and arms like Schwarzenegger or whatever.

• 49:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:28Speaker 04

  And they go, I'm like, that is just not true. Like, a lot of stuff is genetics. You can do as much lifting and you will get stronger. You will like get physically stronger or whatever. You can always. But you might not look like a bodybuilder or whatever. It just comes down to how you're made up. And then they also go, look, it's ninety percent if that, like, maybe more, what you put in. What you're eating.

• 49:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:52Speaker 04

  I wouldn't, I'd still say, um, there's definitely.

• 49:55Speaker 05

  There's huge benefits exercise.

• 49:56Speaker 04

  Absolutely, yeah, just.

• 49:57Speaker 05

  But the benefit is not that it will allow you to eat a load of shit and you can just burn it off.

• 50:01Speaker 04

  It's not that, and it might not be, the benefits might not be aesthetic. But I do, I do genuinely think, I genuinely think that, um, exercise is better for mental health more than for sort of physical health.

• 50:12Speaker 05

  I agree with that.

• 50:13Speaker 04

  Um, unless you're like me, where for a couple of years of my life, um, I took it too seriously and it became.

• 50:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, you got a bit, um.

• 50:21Speaker 04

  It became, I became obsessed with it.

• 50:24Speaker 05

  Went a bit odd, didn't you?

• 50:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:25Speaker 05

  I can't do stuff. Too much.

• 50:27Speaker 04

  This is why I can't, like, I'm so lucky I've never got into drugs. Like, like, cause I I am ju- like, I do.

• 50:36Speaker 05

  You take it to the max.

• 50:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm just like all or nothing. If I'm gonna do something, I'll do it. Or I won't. Ninety nine percent of times I do nothing. But if there's that.

• 50:45Speaker 05

  But you really do nothing.

• 50:46Speaker 04

  Thing, yeah, I'll really fucking do nothing. Um.

• 50:49Speaker 05

  Day off. Yeah, just a bit.

• 50:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:53Speaker 04

  But if I do sort of get into a um, a routine, a gym routine, I'm like.

• 51:01Speaker 04

  I go to the gym, like I was going to the gym, I had like a little, a treadmill at home and stuff like that. I was just on, at one point in my life, every single day, I was like spending like six hours on the treadmill. But not sprinting or anything like that. I just had it in my head. Oh, I'm gonna spend, I've got the day off, I'm gonna spend these next six hours doing nothing. I can do that while I'm on the treadmill. And I will just walk for a minute and then jog for a minute. And I would do that for about six hours while watching a film. Or watching three films sometimes I would do.

• 51:30Speaker 05

  Sometimes when I'm at home, I think, I'm gonna do like six loads of laundry.

• 51:36Speaker 04

  Right.

• 51:37Speaker 05

  Fuck it.

• 51:38Speaker 04

  I thought you were gonna say sit-ups.

• 51:40Speaker 05

  Sit-ups.

• 51:40Speaker 04

  I don't know why I thought that. When I'm at home, I'm gonna do six sit-ups.

• 51:45Speaker 05

  I haven't done a sit-up for some time.

• 51:47Speaker 04

  No.

• 51:48Speaker 05

  Do you, do you have a plank?

• 51:50Speaker 04

  I do a lot, no, boring, really boring.

• 51:53Speaker 05

  It is a boring.

• 51:54Speaker 04

  I do a lot of sit downs.

• 51:55Speaker 05

  Five minutes.

• 51:56Speaker 04

  What?

• 51:57Speaker 05

  I could do a five-minute plank.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  Now?

• 51:59Speaker 05

  Not now. I used to, um, when we did, um, well, I say we, I was in it. You weren't in this one, the festival.

• 52:06Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 52:07Speaker 05

  I was in the shape of my life.

• 52:09Speaker 04

  Really?

• 52:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:11Speaker 04

  Good for you.

• 52:12Speaker 05

  I was doing no carbs, everything. Cause I was, I was, I was paranoid that I'd look old, cause I was meant to be playing a student. I was thirty.

• 52:19Speaker 04

  Right.

• 52:20Speaker 05

  Was it stupid? Cause I think students are probably not in particularly good shape, cause they spent three years sort of sitting around and drinking beer.

• 52:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, that, no, yeah, stressing out and not sleeping and.

• 52:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, I could do, I could do a five-minute plank.

• 52:32Speaker 04

  That's really good.

• 52:34Speaker 05

  I was in good shape.

• 52:35Speaker 04

  Never bothered doing a plank, seems boring. But that's good news, Joe. Like, it's sort of, not good news, it's hopeful news.

• 52:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:42Speaker 04

  In that, don't, you know, because it is difficult getting down the gym. It's difficult finding that time to go for a jog. It's difficult to do that every day and to be strict on it. Um, but the little things you can do, like eat a bit less and eat a bit better. That will, that will do way more than going for a, for a jog is what you're saying, basically.

• 53:01Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 53:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:02Speaker 05

  And it's not, you know, with your fact, I think we've covered quite a lot of territory here because again, it's not, it's not about even eating less, it's just about eating actual food, like food that's actually food. The things that you mentioned, apples and eggs and all those things.

• 53:16Speaker 04

  Work hard, work smarter, not harder.

• 53:19Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 53:20Speaker 04

  I love that saying.

• 53:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:21Speaker 04

  I feel that's a get out of jail free card for me, though.

• 53:24Speaker 05

  It covers a multitude of sins, doesn't it? I'm not, no, I'm not saying nothing, I'm working smarter.

• 53:29Speaker 04

  Oh, hard work? No, no, no. Smart work. Why, what's the smart work you're doing? Well, I'm putting this off till tomorrow.

• 53:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:36Speaker 04

  So I don't have to do it now.

• 53:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:38Speaker 04

  Brain smart.

• 53:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:40Speaker 04

  Um, let's wrap this up. Uh, what have we learnt today? We've learnt that sugar's bad for you. Thank God. Thank God we finally learnt that.

• 53:46Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 53:46Speaker 04

  Um, we've learnt that, um, dogging started in the seventies. Uh, and we've also learnt that if you, you shouldn't beat yourself up for not getting down the gym as much as maybe it's, it's, you know, society says, Instagram tells you to. Um, but just maybe, just maybe eat a bit better and you'll be fine. Everything will work out. We'll be back next week, armed with more facts, chats and dirty window splats. And don't forget that you can get in touch with us if you'd like us to fact check something that feels true to you. Or whatever nonsense you want to get to me and Joe. Our email is hello at joeandjamespod.com. Our WhatsApp is O seven eight two two zero three four three three zero.

• 54:25Speaker 04

  And you can follow us on social media at Joe and James Pod. Um, don't worry, next episode, I'll be, I'll be back on the train. I'm going to be fucking hammered. I'm going to be so drunk for the next episode. Um, we'll be back, we'll be back on form. Um, if you've missed, uh, or I haven't said that information correctly, um, all that stuff is in the podcast description. Uh, there we go. Bosch, there's another episode. Sorry about that. Bye, guys.

• 54:50Speaker 05

  Sorry.

• 54:53Speaker 03

  Joe and James, fucked up.

• 55:02Speaker 03

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