Pod Insights Joe and James Fact Up The Fourth Emergency Service: Gladiators About this episode This week Joe Thomas and James Buckley discuss hanging out with the cast of Skins and Gladiators, being asked to watch ‘2 girls on cup’ on the set of The Inbetweeners and Jay Cartwright influenced a listener’s sex life…
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0:33 Speaker 01 Hello, this is Susie Ruffel. And Maisie Adam. And together we host Big Kick Energy. Hey Mais, what is it? Only the best podcast ever. Yeah. A comedy entertainment podcast with a focus on all things women's football, all things hilarious, all things friendship. It's a laugh is what it is, Ruffel. Yeah, and a fair bit of gossiping, too. Oh, and a lovely bit of gossip. Chow down on the gossip. Num, num, num, num, num. You can listen wherever you get your podcasts. You just need to search Big Kick Energy. Grab a knife and fork and tuck in, baby.
1:06 Speaker 02 Do you remember when we went to T4 on the beach?
1:09 Speaker 03 Um, yes.
1:10 Speaker 02 That was bizarre. That was really bizarre. I think we'd done one series of The Inbetweeners.
1:15 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:15 Speaker 02 So, most people didn't care about us at that point in our lives. And we went to T4 on the beach, it was miles and miles away. Western Supermeier, wasn't it? So far away.
1:26 Speaker 03 Yeah, we were with the Skins cast.
1:28 Speaker 02 We were with the Skins cast. And we were on this bus, on a coach, with Skins cast, EastEnders cast, and the Gladiators. The Gladiators were around at the time. And, uh...
1:43 Speaker 03 They always wear their costume as well. I did, I did, um, I did Celebrity Weakest Link. Not Weakest Link, one of, I don't know, fuck, one of them. Was it Weakest Link? It was Weakest Link.
1:51 Speaker 02 Was it Ramesh doing it?
1:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was Ramesh.
1:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's Weakest Link, that one.
1:54 Speaker 03 And the Gladiators were on after us, and they were just all in their leotards. And I was like, can't they let you?
1:59 Speaker 02 No, they're always ready, mate. In case of emergency.
2:03 Speaker 02 That's what happens. If you dial nine nine nine, they'll go, what services do you want? Fire ambulance, police?
2:08 Speaker 03 I know, gladiators. They haven't got time to pull up. They take ages. They take ages to get on as well, doesn't it?
2:13 Speaker 02 She's got a towel cup and stuff.
2:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
2:15 Speaker 02 But I remember we got, we arrived, it took us about, I don't know, fuck it. We left at like four o'clock in the morning or something stupid like that. And then we got there and one of the Skins people, I didn't really watch Skins. I was in it. I keep forgetting that. I was actually in an episode. I was in like a scene of Skins.
2:31 Speaker 03 You were in everything at that time?
2:32 Speaker 02 I was.
2:33 Speaker 03 There wasn't, you were another thing as well.
2:35 Speaker 02 There was lots of stuff that I just popped up in. And, um, and one of the cast from Skins, they were like, right, this is where we're getting off. And I remember he got off the bus and just went, let's fucking have it! And just sprinted off into the horizon and I never saw him again.
2:56 Speaker 03 Oh, that is.
2:57 Speaker 02 Never saw him again. Can't tell you which one it was. I don't know which one. Um, the problem with the Skins lot was, I mean, I think they were playing their age. Like a lot of them were like sort of fourteen, fifteen.
3:08 Speaker 03 They were just a load of children.
3:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
3:10 Speaker 03 And we were like, oh, well, I don't know about that.
3:13 Speaker 02 Had a pipe and we're like, calm down, boys. Um, but one of the, one of the.
3:18 Speaker 03 That's a bit much.
3:19 Speaker 02 I remember when we went to the, uh, the first comedy awards.
3:22 Speaker 03 Yeah.
3:23 Speaker 02 Which was great. That was one of my favourite days.
3:25 Speaker 03 It was amazing that. And I, I remember that because I wore completely their own clothes.
3:29 Speaker 02 Right.
3:30 Speaker 03 They were like, it's white, they were like, it's black tie. And I was like, come on. So I was wearing like a, I wore plaid shirt.
3:37 Speaker 02 Is that right? I can't remember that.
3:38 Speaker 03 Yeah. And I was framed out. When we won.
3:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
3:43 Speaker 03 They just went.
3:44 Speaker 02 Right.
3:46 Speaker 03 I wore a plaid shirt and stood back.
3:49 Speaker 02 Right. But how old was you? When we were doing?
3:52 Speaker 03 Like a shepherd.
3:54 Speaker 02 When um, when we were doing, so the first series, what was you, like twenty two, something like that?
4:00 Speaker 03 Twenty, I turned twenty three on the, pretty much the final day of shooting.
4:05 Speaker 02 Right, I was nineteen.
4:08 Speaker 03 I turned twenty, I turned twenty four on the final day of shooting.
4:10 Speaker 02 Fucking hell.
4:12 Speaker 03 I was already old, I was already going like.
4:14 Speaker 02 I must have turned twenty or something while we were doing it then.
4:17 Speaker 03 You were the only one.
4:18 Speaker 02 I was, I was still a teenager when we started, yeah.
4:21 Speaker 03 You could have, well, you're famous, you were in Skins. If I was in Skins, I would have had to play like a teacher or something.
4:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, absolutely. But when we were um, when we were, so I, you know, by the time the, the show had gone out, we were all definitely in our twenties by the time that first series had gone out.
4:36 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:36 Speaker 02 And when we were at this awards, the comedy awards, the, the uh, Skins cast were there as well. And I remember one of them coming up, it was the little, the little fellow with the glasses, nice chap.
4:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, he's a, he's a bit of a weed smoker in it, isn't he?
4:52 Speaker 02 I don't know, I'm not sure. Yeah, he is, yeah. He ca- he came up to me and um, he was like, he was really nice, he was really, uh, saying just how much he enjoyed the show in between. I was like, oh man, thank you. And he went, oh, and by the way, you uh, you wanna drink? And he like pulled back his, his suit jacket and he had like a hip flask. He went, let me know. And I went, well, there's a bar there, I can just.
5:20 Speaker 03 No, but if you want specifically.
5:23 Speaker 02 I was like, but.
5:23 Speaker 03 You want specifically this?
5:25 Speaker 02 I went, I was going, but they're free. They've got like an open bar, like it's brilliant, like it's great. And I think he thought I was a sixteen year old.
5:31 Speaker 03 That's amazing. That's, that's so good.
5:36 Speaker 02 But we went to uh, yeah, we went to.
5:37 Speaker 03 And that's just a bottle of anything he's got from his dad's. So I don't know what it is.
5:41 Speaker 02 It was neat Robinsons.
5:42 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:42 Speaker 02 It wasn't, it wasn't watered down at all whatsoever.
5:47 Speaker 02 We went to Weston Supermarket, but I remember when we went, we did a bit on stage.
5:52 Speaker 03 Oh god.
5:53 Speaker 02 And it was just one of those situations where if anyone was on stage, all these kids were gonna go mental. And they were, they were going absolutely mental. And then when we, when we came off this stage, we had to go through the crowd. And there was these massive security guards that formed, they held hands and formed a circle around us.
6:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
6:11 Speaker 02 And, and it was like, whoa, fucking hell, this is nuts. This is mental, right? Is this what it's like to be famous? Like, this is insane. And then as we sort of got a bit away from the stage, the security guards just were, just slowly released. And just stood away from us and just realised that nobody was.
6:32 Speaker 02 Nobody was like coming after us or wanting to grab some of our hair or something like that.
6:40 Speaker 03 What were we doing? What did we do on stage? What is this thing that you just get on stage and be like?
6:44 Speaker 02 Like throwing things out to people. Yeah.
6:46 Speaker 03 Well.
6:47 Speaker 02 Are you all having a good time?
6:49 Speaker 03 Yep, and.
6:50 Speaker 02 I can't hear you.
6:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
6:52 Speaker 02 You can do better than that.
6:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, it is. No matter, you kind of think, oh, if I'm, you see people on stage going like, oh. Oh, that was a bit disappointing. Yeah, like you can do better. And you're like, oh god, that's so lame. If I was on stage, I'd say something much cooler. And then you're on stage and you're like. Who's on, you can do better. Like, it's just, it's just, there isn't, that's all you can say on stage.
7:11 Speaker 02 You become sort of a footballer doing a, a post-match interview. You just say the same stuff all the time.
7:17 Speaker 03 We had, um.
7:20 Speaker 03 We had Ronnie Irani in our school once. It was quite sweet because we were giving him one of them big cheques.
7:28 Speaker 03 And, um, I don't know what for.
7:30 Speaker 02 Was you rud hole?
7:33 Speaker 03 Obviously, yeah.
7:34 Speaker 02 Roy Hud. Was it? I get those mixed.
7:37 Speaker 03 It's what I had planned. So that's now.
7:39 Speaker 02 That's ruined.
7:40 Speaker 03 It's in my head. Beak.
7:44 Speaker 03 With that.
7:47 Speaker 03 Um, and he went, um, I might have the accent wrong, but I feel like he did have this accent. He went, thank you for the check. I'm going to, uh, I don't, I, why, I don't know why he'd have a West Country. I feel like, I feel like he had a West Country accent. Um, I'll take this, I'll take this check away from me, with me. Obviously, obviously not in my pocket, because it was big. And we were like, huh, quite good.
8:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
8:08 Speaker 03 And then he went, anyway, thanks for having me and thanks for the check. Um, obviously won't be taking it away in my pocket. We were like, oh, you did, you did just do that.
8:16 Speaker 02 You've done the same joke again.
8:18 Speaker 03 I was, it was, you know, it was good. And if you've, and I've been there, if it's what you've got, if it's what you've got, it's what you've got. And you're doing it, you're not wondering it again. If you can't, you can't say nothing. I have been on stage.
8:30 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:31 Speaker 03 And, and literally said nothing.
8:32 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:33 Speaker 03 People, people don't like it, man.
8:34 Speaker 02 No, they have a problem with that. They don't like that one.
8:37 Speaker 03 Just, yeah.
8:39 Speaker 02 The waving.
8:40 Speaker 03 It's just the waving. Yeah. What if it was a little bit, it's a little bit.
8:46 Speaker 02 Cretin.
8:47 Speaker 03 Cretin. And he doesn't even rip it?
8:49 Speaker 02 No, yeah.
8:49 Speaker 03 That's what's so good. He's like, no, that'd be fine.
8:52 Speaker 02 Um, you should probably get that dry cleaned. Right. Anyway, anyway, speaking of which, right?
8:57 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:57 Speaker 02 I've been loving, um, just to sort of, just, we, we banked a load of episodes. This is the first time we've sat here.
9:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:06 Speaker 02 In, what, about two months or something?
9:08 Speaker 03 We've had a, a big time off, haven't we?
9:10 Speaker 02 You were off away.
9:11 Speaker 03 I grew a moustache and then got rid of it again. And now just out of, um.
9:15 Speaker 02 It's coming back again.
9:16 Speaker 03 It's coming back again now, because I didn't have time to shave this morning.
9:18 Speaker 02 It's fine.
9:19 Speaker 03 I said this morning, the middle of the day.
9:20 Speaker 02 Yeah. Um, but I've been, I love the comments. Specifically what I love about the comments as the episodes have been coming out is that our shared with, uh, between us and the viewer.
9:30 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:31 Speaker 02 Viewer, listener.
9:32 Speaker 03 Well, they're viewing, aren't they?
9:33 Speaker 02 Audience, yeah.
9:34 Speaker 03 I don't know why, I don't know why people want to look at two people in a chair.
9:37 Speaker 02 Don't knock it.
9:39 Speaker 03 I actually have got a bit used to it now.
9:40 Speaker 02 Two girls, one chair.
9:41 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:42 Speaker 02 I'd watch that.
9:45 Speaker 03 Do you remember when we were supposed to watch that in the in-betweeners? Yeah.
9:48 Speaker 02 I think we spoke about that, didn't we?
9:49 Speaker 04 I don't know if you have.
9:50 Speaker 02 We've not spoke about that.
9:52 Speaker 03 They wanted the, they wanted the beginning of the in-between. This was our, this was our, this was our audience.
9:57 Speaker 02 This is what the people like.
9:58 Speaker 04 It's what the people want.
9:59 Speaker 03 This was our audience.
10:00 Speaker 04 I'm not interrupting.
10:00 Speaker 02 I think a lot of the comments were the things like, shut up, Lily May.
10:03 Speaker 04 Yeah, I'm zipped.
10:04 Speaker 02 Fucking hell, going in for Lily May. Which, by the way, I won't stand for.
10:09 Speaker 03 No, no.
10:10 Speaker 02 Because, you know.
10:11 Speaker 03 It's well, my, one of, one of my favourite bits in the stuff we've done was where we're talking about the trenches or something. And then Lily May goes, this is the Christmas episode.
10:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
10:24 Speaker 03 So, yeah.
10:25 Speaker 02 Let me carry on about the comments. Our shared love of the XFM shows.
10:28 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
10:29 Speaker 02 Especially.
10:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:30 Speaker 02 I will just say this, because I think I mentioned that, like, I've got all those XFM shows and I got them years ago. And I went to some dodgy websites trying to get them.
10:39 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:40 Speaker 02 Like, and I even wanted to listen to them again recently. But the only way, because I don't have that laptop that I downloaded them from.
10:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:46 Speaker 02 The only way I can listen to them is through an old iPod that I've got.
10:50 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:51 Speaker 02 Because they're all on that iPod.
10:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:53 Speaker 02 They're on fucking someone's.
10:54 Speaker 03 They're on Spotify.
10:54 Speaker 02 Yes.
10:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, no, they, they are on Spotify.
10:56 Speaker 02 Yeah.
10:57 Speaker 03 No, I know, this was, this was a very rare example of me being.
11:00 Speaker 02 I mean, it's brilliant, it's absolutely brilliant.
11:01 Speaker 03 There's something I knew about technology that you didn't know. I was like, they are, they're all Spotify. They, um, they were.
11:07 Speaker 04 Because I messaged you about it.
11:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, they were on, they were on YouTube and, um, they were on YouTube. They'd been uploaded by a guy called Man Moth, called, called himself Man Moth. Which is a reference to when Carl thinks that.
11:19 Speaker 02 Man Moth?
11:20 Speaker 03 Man Moth. And they're like, what do you, what do you imagine? He's like, she's got a little head. And they're like, what is he like? He's like, just quite surprised. Surprised.
11:30 Speaker 03 And then, so they're on, they're on YouTube and there was a little community there. So the comments underneath on there were like, they're all really nice. Like, there was one bit where one, one guy had said, the only time I've ever seen somebody apologise for a previous comment that they've made. And he, somebody literally went on saying like, I'm really sorry, I put some stuff last night. I was like, I was like a bit stoned and like, I just wasn't really with it. And like, I'm just really sorry, I don't really, I'm not really like that. And everyone was like, that's all right, mate. I was like, I think that's the first time that's ever happened on the internet. It was extraordinary. Uh, and I think people like, people listen to it to like, um.
12:09 Speaker 03 You know, just to kind of soothe them. It was a lovely community.
12:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
12:12 Speaker 03 And now they're on Spotify, but yeah, that isn't, it's funny that you were saying.
12:15 Speaker 02 I just wish.
12:16 Speaker 03 It's a bit like, it was a bit like you.
12:18 Speaker 02 I don't think I'd maybe explained enough how I thought that they were these last episodes. And I was like, fucking hell, so many people have listened to this. We found our audience. This is great because this is so niche.
12:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
12:28 Speaker 02 And like hardly anyone I have ever spoken to really like, they know the Ricky Gervais podcast and stuff. Sure.
12:34 Speaker 03 Yeah.
12:35 Speaker 02 But the old XFM shows and I used to, I did have the, the XFM did put out like an official thing. It was like volume one, two and three.
12:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
12:43 Speaker 02 It was just like best ofs and it wasn't all the, there was like loads of great stuff missing.
12:48 Speaker 03 It was, it was such a small selection.
12:50 Speaker 02 But someone could have gave me a heads up in the comments is what I'm saying. Just going Buckley, you don't, you know, it's quite easy to listen to them now.
12:56 Speaker 03 Yeah. Yeah. It was a bit like you saying you had access to like some Beatles records or something.
13:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, it was.
13:04 Speaker 02 Some first, first prints, first copies of.
13:07 Speaker 03 I've got, I've got a mate in America who sends the vinyls over.
13:10 Speaker 02 Yeah.
13:11 Speaker 03 Wasn't there an entire genre of music in like Crewe or somewhere that was literally just based on the fact that somebody who lived there had a friend in America. This is like the sixties.
13:23 Speaker 02 Yeah, no, that makes sense.
13:24 Speaker 03 It was called like, it was called like Dance Hall or something.
13:27 Speaker 02 You just can't appreciate that. You cannot appreciate that. When the Beatles, when you listen to old interviews of the Beatles and stuff like that, and they talk about how, just how music, unless it was jazz.
13:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:38 Speaker 02 Um, how music just like, you couldn't get it. It was so unobtainable. And yet it had to come from America. Like it had to be, someone had to have a, a contact in America to get it shipped over and stuff. Anyway, what the, what are we doing?
13:53 Speaker 04 Well, I actually think just at risk of um, upsetting myself, but you were going to talk about the two girls.
14:01 Speaker 03 A two girls one cup. Yeah. So this is a good.
14:03 Speaker 04 And I do think people do want to hear that.
14:04 Speaker 03 So this is a good, um, this gives you a good idea of the in between his audience because they wanted to just start it with us watching it.
14:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
14:13 Speaker 03 And we were like, well, will people know that that's what we're watching? Cause they were just going to show the back of the laptop screen. And Ian and Damon went, they'll know from the music.
14:21 Speaker 02 They'll know from the music. And, but they said to us, have you boys seen two girls one cup? And none of us had seen it.
14:27 Speaker 03 No.
14:28 Speaker 02 And they were like, right. And this was, this was the, the height of two girls one cup. By the way, there was, it was two girls one cup mania going on.
14:35 Speaker 03 They were Christmas number one.
14:36 Speaker 02 Absolutely.
14:38 Speaker 03 They were turning on the Christmas lights.
14:39 Speaker 02 No, that was the cheeky girls.
14:40 Speaker 03 That was cheeky girls.
14:42 Speaker 02 I always get those mixed up.
14:46 Speaker 02 So, and they were like, have you seen it? We're like, no, we've not seen it. And they're like, right, do not watch it. We're like, right, okay, we won't watch it. And, and we were out of the loop, to be fair. Even though from what I know about it, it's disgusting.
14:58 Speaker 03 Such unusual advice to be told.
14:59 Speaker 02 Yeah.
15:00 Speaker 03 Don't watch Two Girls.
15:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, because what they wanted to do was, was to put a laptop in front of us in the common room. In the sick form of the in betweeners, where like, where we sort of start and end pretty much every episode. Like it would.
15:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:14 Speaker 02 I suppose that's our central perk.
15:17 Speaker 03 It is a bit, isn't it?
15:18 Speaker 02 The common room.
15:19 Speaker 03 Yes.
15:19 Speaker 02 And they were like, we want to get you guys, and we, we're going to film you guys reacting to seeing this for the first time. And that's what's going to go out on television.
15:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:29 Speaker 02 And we're like, right, yeah, no, we like the idea of that. Cause we'd like, we heard it's outrageous. Like it's really disgusting, doesn't it? And we were up for it. We were like, yeah, that sounds like a really funny idea.
15:39 Speaker 03 I was up for anything where I didn't have to act.
15:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:43 Speaker 03 I honestly thought, that sounds easy.
15:45 Speaker 02 Yeah. And, um.
15:49 Speaker 02 And so that was the plan. And everyone knew about this plan. And, um, the.
15:54 Speaker 03 It was the, I would say it was the biggest bit of planning that was ever done on the in betweeners.
16:00 Speaker 02 That was the thing that was so important. It was so important that, that we get their natural reactions to, to Two Girls, One Cup. So, and it was left to props, wasn't it? It was left to design, um, to have the laptop, the, and the video on the laptop ready for us. And, uh, and they just kept asking, have you, is, have you got the video ready? Is the video ready to go? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two minutes, two minutes. Didn't have the video, like just didn't have the video, like never had it. It was just a complete disaster. It was just some porn. And I was like, you want me to react to this? Fucking, watch this every day I'm alive. This is nothing.
16:41 Speaker 02 This is boring mate. Um.
16:44 Speaker 03 But and also.
16:45 Speaker 02 But we never got to watch it.
16:46 Speaker 04 Still not watched it?
16:47 Speaker 02 No, because then I think by the time we started doing that, I think it got like removed from the internet.
16:53 Speaker 03 They took it down.
16:54 Speaker 02 I don't think you can, which I think like, how do you get something removed from the internet by the way? Because that's almost impossible, right?
17:02 Speaker 03 Well, I guess.
17:02 Speaker 02 But that video's gone.
17:03 Speaker 03 I suppose it was probably. I don't know, was it?
17:09 Speaker 02 I think it was.
17:09 Speaker 03 Was it, was it like the, the prime minister? Maybe the prime, maybe the prime minister got it taken down.
17:13 Speaker 02 Imagine something being so disgusting that the internet goes, oh.
17:18 Speaker 03 That's a bit much, yeah.
17:18 Speaker 02 We've gone, we've gone too far here.
17:21 Speaker 03 I always think about that. I always think that when I go to a library and I, uh. I used to write. I used to go and write in a library near where I lived. And I used to write in the section whi- which was like.
17:41 Speaker 03 The books that the library was now selling. Cause they didn't want them in the library anymore.
17:45 Speaker 02 Old books.
17:46 Speaker 03 Old stock.
17:47 Speaker 02 Old stock books.
17:47 Speaker 03 And I used to think this is the most depressing place to write. Cause like, if you're a book and a library doesn't want you, where are you going really?
17:56 Speaker 02 Sort of us, isn't it? That's me and you, mate.
18:00 Speaker 03 On that shelf.
18:01 Speaker 02 That's me and you. Do you remember we used to fucking sell DVDs like hotcakes?
18:06 Speaker 03 I know. HMV.
18:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, we were everywhere.
18:10 Speaker 03 That, that dog.
18:11 Speaker 02 Now we're sat there on the.
18:12 Speaker 03 It's master's voice.
18:13 Speaker 02 We're old stock.
18:14 Speaker 03 We are old, we're a remaindered stock, aren't we?
18:17 Speaker 02 We are.
18:17 Speaker 03 Fifty pence, somebody take it, please.
18:19 Speaker 02 Even the library doesn't want us.
18:21 Speaker 03 Even the library doesn't want you.
18:23 Speaker 02 Oh, well.
18:24 Speaker 03 But.
18:24 Speaker 02 Anyway.
18:24 Speaker 03 Anyway, no, but yeah, I, um. So yeah, to this day, I've never, I've never seen Two Girls, One Cup.
18:31 Speaker 04 Oh, I feel like we might have to make you watch it now. I think that might have to happen.
18:35 Speaker 02 I've not seen it, I've not seen it too. And I feel like it was such a, it was such a sort of.
18:39 Speaker 03 Can I, can I actually say, I feel, I feel like it was the last time the country was truly united?
18:43 Speaker 02 I think so.
18:44 Speaker 03 You know, round the water cooler.
18:45 Speaker 02 Yeah.
18:46 Speaker 03 The whole family, round the telly. Oh, what's on tonight, mum and dad? Two Girls, One Cup.
18:50 Speaker 02 There was points down the pub where my mates would be like, oh, look, I'll check this out. And I go, no, I can't watch it. I can't watch it. I cannot watch it.
18:57 Speaker 03 For professional reasons.
18:58 Speaker 02 I've got to, I've been like, I'm trying to save my reaction to this video.
19:03 Speaker 03 It was, I will say, quite sloppy that they didn't have it on the day.
19:07 Speaker 02 Yeah, it was a bit.
19:08 Speaker 03 I will say it was fairly sloppy.
19:11 Speaker 02 But what was great was that, um.
19:13 Speaker 03 And I remember that. It was, it was a still image of some porn.
19:16 Speaker 02 Yeah.
19:17 Speaker 03 And also not particularly, can I say hardcore pornography, just it was.
19:22 Speaker 02 I wasn't aroused at all whatsoever.
19:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:25 Speaker 02 I was, I was completely flaccid.
19:27 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was, it was just like looking at.
19:29 Speaker 02 I was pancake soft watching this thing. I wasn't doing it. That's not the reaction that I think they wanted.
19:35 Speaker 03 If you have a completely numb reaction to Two Girls One Cup, you really have taken things too far, I would say.
19:41 Speaker 02 Oh, so you're just like, it's not really doing it for me. It's not, I need, I need a bit more extreme.
19:46 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:48 Speaker 02 But I never got to see, I never got to see Two Girls One Cup. And I feel like I missed out on a cultural event that happened worldwide.
19:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:56 Speaker 02 Um, I feel, I genuinely think I would have vomited from what I've been told about what it is. Um, because I can't do piss or shit or vomit. If I hear someone heaving, I want, I, I, it makes me wanna be sick.
20:13 Speaker 03 Really?
20:14 Speaker 02 Well, do you remember when we were fucking doing Inbetweeners?
20:16 Speaker 03 I remember that, yeah.
20:17 Speaker 02 And we were like, oh, you need to pretend.
20:18 Speaker 03 They were all, they were all for that, yeah. If we were being sick.
20:20 Speaker 02 Pretend to be sick. You need to pretend to be sick. So I'd make myself gag and then I would just be sick.
20:26 Speaker 03 There was a scene in that tent.
20:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, that was it.
20:29 Speaker 03 Well, it just didn't, I'd lost track of who was pretending to be sick and who was actually being sick.
20:33 Speaker 02 Yeah.
20:34 Speaker 03 It was really horrible.
20:35 Speaker 02 There was a bit, I've got a memory of the second Inbetweeners film. We're out, we're in the outback.
20:42 Speaker 02 And I, you know, I've got to be honest, I don't know if I've dreamt this up or, um, I've only seen the film once.
20:47 Speaker 03 Cooked it up.
20:48 Speaker 02 When we went, when we went to the premiere and that was, I don't know, 15 years ago or whatever.
20:52 Speaker 03 A while ago, wasn't it?
20:53 Speaker 02 Um.
20:54 Speaker 03 What happened in the 20s?
20:55 Speaker 02 I'm looking at an engine and I'm like heaving or something. Is there something going on? Does Jay throw up in the, in the desert? I've got this memory.
21:03 Speaker 03 An engine?
21:04 Speaker 02 You know, the car breaks down.
21:06 Speaker 03 Maybe. I don't know. You think we, you think that we'd, I get pissed on.
21:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
21:11 Speaker 03 It's quite, uh, that was tea.
21:14 Speaker 02 Just neat tea.
21:15 Speaker 03 It was neat tea and also they hadn't bothered to cool it down very much. So I was like, ow. Yeah.
21:21 Speaker 02 To be fair, it might have just been the fucking weather. It was so hot.
21:24 Speaker 03 It might have just been the weather.
21:25 Speaker 02 If you'd left the bottle of water outside, it would have boiled like.
21:28 Speaker 03 My god.
21:29 Speaker 02 The bloke that ran that hotel was frying a, an egg on the, on a shovel one morning.
21:36 Speaker 03 That's incredible.
21:37 Speaker 02 Yeah.
21:37 Speaker 03 That's incredible.
21:38 Speaker 02 That's where we filmed.
21:39 Speaker 03 You shouldn't be out in, in cooking temperature weather.
21:43 Speaker 02 It's.
21:44 Speaker 03 Cause we're meat as well. I don't wanna be slow.
21:46 Speaker 02 The whole of the in between is either too hot or too cold. It was ne- we were never, ever comfortable.
21:52 Speaker 03 We were never comfortable. We were never comfortable. That's completely true. We were.
21:56 Speaker 02 Let's film a summer movie during the winter. We're like, alright, we'll do that. You've got to wear, you've got to wear shorts and t-shirts and flip flops and things. Like, great. It was like, oh, we got fed up with filming during the, during the, um, the winter. We're still gonna film during the winter technically. But we're gonna be in the southern hemisphere. So it's their summer in Australia.
22:16 Speaker 03 I'm really not a fan of like earth temperatures overlapping with the lower range of cooking temperatures.
22:23 Speaker 02 Yeah.
22:24 Speaker 03 Like that really, they shouldn't overlap.
22:26 Speaker 02 They shouldn't, shouldn't.
22:27 Speaker 03 It shouldn't be like, well, a hundred, uh, well, no, like 24 hours in this temperature and you'll be perfectly cooked.
22:34 Speaker 02 You shouldn't be able to flash fry a steak.
22:36 Speaker 03 No. I don't want my meat to like fall away from the bone.
22:40 Speaker 02 Yeah.
22:41 Speaker 03 Do you know what I mean?
22:42 Speaker 02 Hmm.
22:43 Speaker 03 Uh, yeah, that was, um, that was unbelievable.
22:48 Speaker 02 We need to do a podcast, Joe. How long have we been doing this for?
22:51 Speaker 04 Uh, like 25 minutes or so.
22:53 Speaker 02 Right, there's a cold open for you.
22:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
22:55 Speaker 04 Freezing.
22:56 Speaker 02 Hello.
22:58 Speaker 03 Oh, we haven't got a script, haven't we?
22:59 Speaker 02 It's frigid. Yeah. It's been a while, hasn't it?
23:01 Speaker 03 Haven't done this.
23:02 Speaker 02 Honestly, it's been so long. I forgot, um, that I had to buy a train ticket to get into London.
23:09 Speaker 04 I don't think you can blame the podcast for that.
23:11 Speaker 02 No, no, no. It's just, it's just that it's been such a while since, since we've been here. I was just like, I just turned up at the train station. I was just confused a bit. I was like standing by the barrier going, hang on, there was something I used to do to get through this.
23:25 Speaker 03 It's a good job you correctly remembered.
23:26 Speaker 02 I did, yeah.
23:27 Speaker 03 You could have remembered, oh, I just smashed my way in.
23:31 Speaker 03 Joe and James.
23:35 Speaker 04 Fact up, yeah. Joe and James, Joe and James, Joe and James, Joe and James, Fact up.
23:42 Speaker 02 Anyway, welcome to the podcast. Welcome. Welcome to Joe and James Fact Up. Um, this is the podcast where each week we bring one another a fact we deem interesting. I've not got a fact. I forgot.
23:57 Speaker 02 We might have to.
23:57 Speaker 03 I did, I did mine, like.
24:00 Speaker 02 While you were getting your hair cut.
24:02 Speaker 03 Yeah, I was half an hour late because I got my hair cut.
24:03 Speaker 02 You weren't half an hour late, Joe was an hour late, right? Joe was an hour late and he, and, um.
24:08 Speaker 03 And it was because I was getting a haircut.
24:09 Speaker 02 And we were told by his management that he had an appointment that was, um, that ran over.
24:14 Speaker 03 I didn't know they told you that.
24:16 Speaker 02 Yeah. They said Joe's, Joe's, um, Joe's, uh, Joe's got, had an appointment that's run over. And they said the word appointment that's run over. So, so we all have to sit there and go, oh, doctor. Oh, he's gone to the doctor and it's not good. So we can't sit here and be angry at him. Anyway, he turns up, the first thing I said to him was, so you got your hair cut? That was the appointment then, wasn't it?
24:36 Speaker 03 You didn't see my hair.
24:38 Speaker 02 Yeah, but I'll say it now.
24:39 Speaker 03 I knew, I knew it was gonna show, I was looking at it, I was looking at it in the, I was looking at it in the, it's a real sort of like shape up as well. Like it's really, it's really like, you can see the, the guy's done stuff that tomorrow morning won't look.
24:51 Speaker 02 Absolutely. In the, by the end of this evening, it will look a bit older.
24:57 Speaker 02 It was so fresh and I was like.
24:58 Speaker 03 It was really bad.
24:59 Speaker 02 He had, he had a hair appointment, that's why, that's why.
25:01 Speaker 03 Sometimes I turn up somewhere and it's really obvious I've just had a shower and that's always really embarrassing to me as well.
25:06 Speaker 02 Why is that?
25:07 Speaker 03 Because I've just had a shower.
25:08 Speaker 02 That's a good thing, isn't it?
25:09 Speaker 03 No, but if I'm turning.
25:10 Speaker 02 I'm the opposite, I turn up and people are like, you need to fucking have a shower.
25:13 Speaker 03 No, but what I mean is sometimes, sometimes they're all vaguely embarrassed if I'm like picking my daughter up from nursery and it's like 11:30 and. Uh, because she goes from 8:30 to 11:30.
25:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, no, I know what you mean.
25:23 Speaker 03 And I'm like. I don't like the idea that they know that I was showering so close to the middle of the day.
25:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, that you, that you've.
25:29 Speaker 03 It feels a bit luxurious.
25:30 Speaker 02 You've basically only just started your day.
25:32 Speaker 03 Only started my day. I have a real thing about like, it always feels, people, we have, we're very suspicious of people who get up late, aren't we? Like, I think we're like, getting up late is really seen as.
25:41 Speaker 02 I do it to myself.
25:42 Speaker 03 A little bit perverse, like you're a bit of a wrong, and conversely, if you get up early, people are like, oh, well done.
25:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
25:48 Speaker 03 You know, God loves you.
25:49 Speaker 02 I do.
25:49 Speaker 03 Like, and why?
25:50 Speaker 02 I do it to myself. I don't pose. I don't have a nine to five.
25:54 Speaker 03 Yeah.
25:54 Speaker 02 But I'm like, gotta get up.
25:55 Speaker 03 Get up.
25:56 Speaker 02 Gotta get the day started.
25:57 Speaker 03 We really, really give ourselves a big old pat on the back if we manage to get up early. And I'm like, why?
26:03 Speaker 02 That's how I thought I twisted a bollock because I'd woken up a bit late. So I sprung out of bed.
26:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
26:09 Speaker 02 Have I told you about this?
26:10 Speaker 03 No.
26:11 Speaker 02 I thought I twisted, I thought I'd had testicular torsion.
26:14 Speaker 03 Because you sprang out of bed?
26:15 Speaker 02 No, I woke up and, and it was, and it was about, it was about half hour later than when I wanted to get, wanting to wake up.
26:24 Speaker 03 So because that, you're like, fucking hell.
26:26 Speaker 02 No, no, no, I was like, in my head, I was like, I'm already losing. I'm already losing the, like, I've already, I'm already failing at the day.
26:36 Speaker 03 I sometimes feel an almost paralysing sense of shame just because I fell asleep for longer. Yeah.
26:40 Speaker 02 I swung the covers off me, like really dramatically, and swang my legs to the side of the bed and just went, oh, like that. And then I had this dull ache for the rest of the day that just kept getting worse. And I was like, I've twisted a bollock. I think I've twisted a bollock. And then I had to call a friend, an emergency. He's, he's my.
27:06 Speaker 03 An emergency friend?
27:07 Speaker 02 He's my son's friend dad. He's friends, he's friends of ours as well. Like, we know, he's friend, he's our friend. We know him because our kids go to school, went to school together.
27:15 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:16 Speaker 02 But he's a doctor and basically what ended up happening was.
27:19 Speaker 03 Then you call 919, they don't go, do you want fire, police, or do you want son's friend's dad?
27:24 Speaker 02 Or gladiators.
27:26 Speaker 03 Those are the choices.
27:27 Speaker 02 Well, basically what happened was I ended up on the couch in my living room. With my son's friend's dad checking my balls or to make sure I hadn't twisted them.
27:40 Speaker 03 Sounds like you carefully contrived a situation just to get this handsome fellow.
27:46 Speaker 02 I've got, I've got, I've got history of doing that.
27:49 Speaker 03 You're always doing this, aren't you?
27:50 Speaker 02 I've got history. I've got the woman, I've got the.
27:52 Speaker 03 You're always worried about your balls.
27:55 Speaker 02 I've got a female doctor to look in, look at my bum hole because I thought I had piles, well, I didn't. And he said I had twisted it.
28:00 Speaker 03 I've, I've done that as well, to be fair. I thought I had, well, I don't, I don't know whether I could say this word, but I thought I had cancer.
28:08 Speaker 02 Yes. Why can't you say that?
28:10 Speaker 03 I don't know. People don't like it, do they? And rightly so.
28:14 Speaker 02 No, I don't like cancer either, but the word still exists.
28:17 Speaker 03 I thought I had anal cancer.
28:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
28:19 Speaker 03 Because I found hemorrhoids for the first time.
28:21 Speaker 02 Right.
28:22 Speaker 03 And I spent a lonely night, a long night of the soul in my hotel room.
28:26 Speaker 02 Right in a wheel.
28:27 Speaker 03 On Google Images, looking at pictures of anal tumors.
28:30 Speaker 02 Right.
28:31 Speaker 03 And being like, I just couldn't believe I was out of control there. I just hadn't.
28:34 Speaker 02 Yeah. The old piles, man.
28:37 Speaker 03 They didn't tell you about that.
28:38 Speaker 02 The irony is, is that a few years later I did get piles.
28:42 Speaker 03 That is irony.
28:43 Speaker 02 Um, anyway, anyway, welcome to Joe and James Fact Up.
28:48 Speaker 02 Each week we bring one another a fact.
28:50 Speaker 03 Each week we define a word. This week, irony.
28:53 Speaker 02 Bring one another a fact we do. This is a long one, isn't it? This is gonna be a long one.
28:56 Speaker 04 It's gonna be a longer, yeah.
28:57 Speaker 02 Uh, not done the intro.
28:59 Speaker 03 Haven't done the intro yet.
29:00 Speaker 02 Done the intro. Our policy is the more interesting.
29:02 Speaker 03 I've got to go and move the car in a bit as well.
29:03 Speaker 02 You do. I know you do. Let me do, let me read this bit and then maybe we'll take a break.
29:07 Speaker 03 Which by the way, cost me £24. Two hours parking.
29:10 Speaker 02 £24. That's all right.
29:12 Speaker 03 Two hours pa- two hour, £24 to park.
29:13 Speaker 02 That comes out of production, doesn't it?
29:14 Speaker 03 Tell you about it, nowhere, nowhere at all.
29:17 Speaker 02 Each week we bring one another a fact that we deem interesting and our policy is the more interesting, the more true it is. We'll also dig into the weird things that you'd like to think are true, but don't want to research yourself in a segment that we're calling Fact Check. Um, so we want you to send in your facts for us. Our email is hello at joeandjamespod.com. Our WhatsApp number is 07822 034330.
29:43 Speaker 02 Also, if you find any weird videos off the internet, like two girls and one cup, you can send those as well.
29:48 Speaker 04 I'm expecting lots of links next week.
29:50 Speaker 02 And our socials are at Joe and James Pod and you can watch all our episodes in full on YouTube. Just search for Joe and James Fact Up. Now, let's get fact up.
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31:48 Speaker 02 Oh, we should do a bit of talking about how you're doing JT.
31:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, okay.
31:57 Speaker 03 Oh, sorry. I see, yeah. What's funny is I was up for it because I was like, we haven't actually really spoken about how I am.
32:02 Speaker 02 No.
32:03 Speaker 03 And I do think the podcast is mainly about to check in on me. I feel like the reason you do this is because you're like, it's good for Joe to have a regular kind of get out of the house type thing. Yeah.
32:14 Speaker 02 Yeah, careful.
32:16 Speaker 03 I know.
32:18 Speaker 03 But like, you know, when you take an old person out and you're like, they just don't, they just, they just never get hugged anymore. And, and I think, I feel like you're doing, and so thank you. I, you know, I know you'd, you're too nice to mention it, but I do appreciate it.
32:31 Speaker 02 I do have quite a big, successful podcast that I do with my wife.
32:34 Speaker 03 I know. You don't need to do this.
32:39 Speaker 03 I know. And, and look, and, um, and it's nice of,
32:42 Speaker 02 No, I don't need to do it.
32:43 Speaker 03 It's nice of Claire to, to share you with me as well. Honestly, I mean it. I'm not, I'm not, honestly, I,
32:49 Speaker 02 Claire would be happy to give me to you.
32:51 Speaker 03 Ooh, well, don't, don't tempt me. Well, um, it's an intriguing, uh,
32:58 Speaker 02 To have new possibilities.
33:03 Speaker 03 I was like, why am I miming this?
33:06 Speaker 02 I'm having mic problems now as well. What, um, what have we got here, Lily, mate? Is this, is this a message from someone called Scott?
33:13 Speaker 04 Yeah, we've had some responses. Well, this is a response to, um, your call out for people who are inspired by The Inbetweeners.
33:21 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, yeah.
33:21 Speaker 03 Inspired, yes.
33:22 Speaker 04 Yes.
33:23 Speaker 02 I meant professionally.
33:25 Speaker 04 Yeah.
33:27 Speaker 02 I meant sort of like, if there's any sort of up and coming comedians or sitcoms and is this going to be like, oh, I was, I was inspired by The Inbetweeners, so I started having a wank in an old people's home.
33:39 Speaker 04 Hmm, might be.
33:40 Speaker 02 Might be that. Right, okay. So Scott's here.
33:42 Speaker 03 It's more that.
33:43 Speaker 02 Scott sent us a WhatsApp message. Not sure if I was to email or if I could send in here. It's already sounding very in-betweeners, useless, sort of out of his depth.
33:56 Speaker 02 But my name's Scott.
33:57 Speaker 03 Unnecessary preamble.
33:58 Speaker 02 My name's Scott.
33:59 Speaker 03 Tried to send in this. I was thinking about sending it and thought I would and here it is.
34:05 Speaker 02 My name's Scott and I heard yous talking about the moments from the Inbetweeners that people copied or tried. My story's embarrassing. So when I went to lose my virginity for the first time, that's usually when you lose it, isn't it? It was with a girl in my year at school. We were 15 years old. The first night I went to put it in.
34:25 Speaker 02 But I came on a leg before it went in.
34:27 Speaker 03 Wow.
34:28 Speaker 02 I went home extremely embarrassed, but I watched the episode of the Inbetweeners that night where Jay says to Simon he should wank before it. And a couple of nights go by and we go again. It's tactical wank.
34:40 Speaker 03 A tactical wank?
34:41 Speaker 02 Um, I had a wank in her toilet exactly like the episode. And then the episode basically happened in real life. I couldn't get it up. I started punching my willy.
34:52 Speaker 04 No, he said he didn't.
34:53 Speaker 02 Oh, sorry.
34:57 Speaker 02 I didn't start punching my willy, but instead faked a phone call from my mum saying something has happened and I need to be home urgent. I didn't lose my virginity for another year and the only time she spoke to me after that was when her and her friends were laughing at me in the corridors.
35:11 Speaker 03 Oh no.
35:11 Speaker 02 Thanks lads. Don't thank us.
35:13 Speaker 03 No, I mean, I suppose it's, I suppose there's a, there's a, there's a trace of a a trace of irony in that. Thank you. I suppose, I mean, I'm so, I'm so sorry about all that. It's some, I don't think that the tactical wank is meant to be good advice in the, in the, in the show. I think, I think it's meant to be a classic piece of like.
35:33 Speaker 02 This is the, this is the problem with the Inbetweeners.
35:35 Speaker 03 It's not.
35:36 Speaker 02 People come up to me and they go, they don't know me personally.
35:39 Speaker 03 Yeah.
35:39 Speaker 02 They think I'm Jay from the Inbetweeners, right?
35:41 Speaker 03 Yeah.
35:41 Speaker 02 And they go, you're such a legend. You're my hero. Like I've had loads of people say those words to me. I'm like, I don't.
35:49 Speaker 03 No.
35:49 Speaker 02 Like, the whole lesson, like every episode, the lesson is at the end of the episode, don't listen to Jay.
35:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, I would have.
35:56 Speaker 02 Don't take any advice from Jay, don't listen to Jay, he talks bollocks. Do, if you can do the opposite of what Jay suggests or says, then you'll be in a better place than what you were at the beginning.
36:08 Speaker 03 And in, and in the episode, it's not as though Simon follows Jay's advice to his great success.
36:15 Speaker 02 Yeah.
36:16 Speaker 03 So it's funny, I mean.
36:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, also, like.
36:18 Speaker 03 I'm really, I do, I have to say, I feel really, I'm so, I feel really sorry for Scott that this happened and I had to say, it's, it shows refreshing vulnerability to share this.
36:28 Speaker 02 Yeah.
36:29 Speaker 03 It's, you know, good on you for that, it's a funny story and I, and hats off to you for that. And actually it takes a bit of a, takes a bit of bravery to share that and.
36:37 Speaker 02 Scott, I'm just fucking.
36:38 Speaker 03 I'm sure the girl didn't mind and it is, is a funny story and the phone call for the mum is funny.
36:45 Speaker 02 I don't know, yeah, to be honest.
36:47 Speaker 03 It's such a hard thing to face.
36:49 Speaker 02 At fifteen years old, I would have done anything to have come on a girl's leg.
36:52 Speaker 03 I know, fifteen, I mean, in a way.
36:54 Speaker 02 I mean, he's a fucking legend in my eyes for getting that far.
36:56 Speaker 03 Absolute lad, yeah.
36:59 Speaker 02 How the fuck's he managed that?
37:00 Speaker 03 On the leg, no less.
37:01 Speaker 02 On the older, yeah, Wet Leg. What?
37:04 Speaker 03 Wet Leg, the band.
37:05 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think that's where they got their name from.
37:08 Speaker 03 She formed Wet Leg after this.
37:10 Speaker 02 She did.
37:11 Speaker 03 And, you know, now they're, and now they're riding high in the charts.
37:14 Speaker 02 That girl went on to form Wet Leg.
37:20 Speaker 03 So it's all, oh, we're laughing over in the corridors.
37:23 Speaker 02 Oh, well, do you know what, man?
37:25 Speaker 03 Oh, well.
37:26 Speaker 02 I just wouldn't, I don't know what this says about me. Like, I'd be like, I just wouldn't be ashamed. I was like, yeah.
37:33 Speaker 03 I would have, yeah, I wasn't anywhere.
37:34 Speaker 02 Came on her leg. I would be bragging about it.
37:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
37:38 Speaker 02 At fifteen.
37:39 Speaker 03 Fifteen.
37:40 Speaker 02 Scott, you're a ledge, mate.
37:41 Speaker 03 Honestly, I was still balls deep in Championship manager at fifteen, that's what I was doing. Just, or just endless Championship manager.
37:48 Speaker 02 I remember, um, I don't know if this, this is how uncool I was. I thought my mate's older brother, my mate, my mate had an older brother that was a couple of years above us. That's above us, by the way. And, um.
38:02 Speaker 03 Time.
38:03 Speaker 02 And, uh, and, uh.
38:07 Speaker 02 Him and his mates, they were like in year 11 or whatever, and we were like in year eight, year nine.
38:12 Speaker 03 Yeah.
38:12 Speaker 02 Him and his mates bunked off school, the, the release day of Championship Manager to go out and buy it. And I was just like, fucking hell, legends, they're so cool.
38:24 Speaker 02 It's like, I'm good, I'll have to get it at the weekend or something like that.
38:28 Speaker 03 They bunked off school to buy what is essentially a database that you can interact with a bit.
38:32 Speaker 02 It's a brilliant game.
38:33 Speaker 03 It is a good game.
38:34 Speaker 02 It's a brilliant game.
38:34 Speaker 03 Also haven't paid it, paid it.
38:36 Speaker 02 Played it?
38:37 Speaker 03 Played it. No, paid it. I haven't paid it since, I think, 2000.
38:44 Speaker 02 Really? Oh, it's so good. It's Football Manager now, Scott. Anyway, I don't, I don't wanna get bogged down, but shout out.
38:49 Speaker 03 The players start getting injured.
38:50 Speaker 02 Shout out to Miles and the gang. They make a brilliant game. Um, I've got an, I've got an email here from Christopher as well, Joe. Who says, there is an American company trying to bring back underground pipes for delivering stuff dead fast in cities called Pipe Dream Labs. Can I click that?
39:08 Speaker 04 Yeah, you can. There's a link to it and it's, yeah, delivering stuff via dildo tubes, but they're bringing it back.
39:14 Speaker 02 Dildo tubes are coming back?
39:16 Speaker 04 Yeah, big time.
39:18 Speaker 02 What do I do?
39:18 Speaker 03 Click up anything in 15 seconds or less.
39:20 Speaker 02 Right.
39:21 Speaker 04 They're also using, do you know those little car robots as well that like drive around neighbourhoods?
39:26 Speaker 02 Oh, they've got little solar panels on their backs and stuff?
39:28 Speaker 04 Yeah, I think they're using those as well.
39:30 Speaker 02 Oh, look at this. Oh, that's right. Yeah, you're gonna have to put up a visual for this.
39:34 Speaker 04 Mm-hmm.
39:34 Speaker 02 Uh, Pipe.
39:35 Speaker 03 Oh, look, here we go. Here's a, here's a.
39:37 Speaker 02 PipeDreamLabs.co.
39:39 Speaker 03 Another client. He's run out of wine. God, God, run out of booze.
39:46 Speaker 02 Yeah, they've got little, what I would describe as mine carts.
39:52 Speaker 02 Drive, like in pipes, in tiny pipes going around the city. I don't know, they're not the dildo tubes.
39:59 Speaker 04 Not the same.
40:00 Speaker 02 No, you need to have the phallic pod. And it, there needs to be sucking. There needs to be some suction going on.
40:07 Speaker 03 It's really, it is cool though.
40:09 Speaker 02 It is really cool. It'll never happen. I mean, they're literally called Pipe Dream. They're not.
40:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's a bit of a Freudian slip.
40:24 Speaker 02 But good luck.
40:26 Speaker 03 What's your company called? Pie in the Sky.
40:29 Speaker 02 Good luck. Right, it is, it's probably time to, for us to present our facts.
40:34 Speaker 03 How do I get back to the script?
40:36 Speaker 02 I just don't have a fact for you, Joe. I've just not got one.
40:39 Speaker 03 This is awful. I was an hour late. You haven't got a fact.
40:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, I just forgot everything about doing this.
40:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
40:46 Speaker 02 What we do to do this. I forgot to do any prep. I forgot to get a fact.
40:51 Speaker 03 You have worn a shirt that you thought I would appeal to me because of my point about.
40:55 Speaker 02 You said that men dress.
40:57 Speaker 03 As though they're about to do a job of work.
40:59 Speaker 02 Yeah.
40:59 Speaker 03 Or just, I think maybe you've just come from a job of work.
41:01 Speaker 02 Yeah.
41:01 Speaker 03 That's what, and it's, so what is that? That's a kind of.
41:05 Speaker 02 American mechanic.
41:07 Speaker 03 Yeah. So the, the fact of the matter is, James doesn't have a fact.
41:11 Speaker 02 It's, it's the time of the show where I would usually present a fact. It's, and I'll be honest, right? It's a fact about Tony.
41:20 Speaker 03 With famous Tonys.
41:21 Speaker 02 Famous Tonys. And there is, there is, and I, and I do, there is, there are famous Tonys. And I did have a brief little look there. Nothing funny or entertaining.
41:33 Speaker 04 You've done your, your homework last minute and that's okay.
41:36 Speaker 02 Sorry.
41:36 Speaker 04 That's okay. We've, we've had a great episode so far.
41:38 Speaker 03 It was a hard, it was a hard one. It was a hard one.
41:41 Speaker 02 Off with my head is what happens. I'll get executed now.
41:44 Speaker 04 Correct.
41:45 Speaker 03 We'll get in.
41:46 Speaker 02 So let's, let's go.
41:47 Speaker 03 Skins.
41:48 Speaker 02 Let's go to fact check.
41:50 Speaker 04 It's the theme.
41:52 Speaker 03 Right.
41:52 Speaker 02 Do you want to do it, Joe? Yeah.
41:54 Speaker 03 Okay.
41:54 Speaker 02 It is time to fact check. This is the part of the episode where we, we'll be reading a fact or a question that you'd like us, us to get to the bottom of. Then we're going to have a good think during the break and we'll come back and let you know how true it feels to us. Because that's the rule. It's a fact, the more interesting it is.
42:14 Speaker 03 That's.
42:15 Speaker 02 Which is straight, again, once again, straight out of Carl Pilkington's playbook.
42:21 Speaker 03 Yes, it is. Yeah, it is that, isn't it?
42:23 Speaker 02 If it's more, if it's very interesting, he just goes with it.
42:25 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's right. He says something like, a bit of guesswork is pretty close to the truth sometimes. Or maybe most of the time, I don't know. But yeah, that's his. That's what he thinks.
42:37 Speaker 02 That's his philosophy.
42:38 Speaker 03 I suppose.
42:38 Speaker 02 I subscribe to it.
42:40 Speaker 03 Does it ring true, basically?
42:41 Speaker 04 We've actually had a listener who submitted a jingle for If It's So Fact It Hurts, which is a term you coined, James, a few episodes ago.
42:52 Speaker 02 Don't remember that.
42:53 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
42:55 Speaker 03 No, well, you've forgot, you've forgotten many things.
42:56 Speaker 02 Yeah.
42:57 Speaker 04 But I don't know.
42:58 Speaker 03 You've forgotten the basic format of the show.
43:00 Speaker 02 Well, New Year, New Me, so I just completely erased
43:04 Speaker 03 Just wipe it.
43:05 Speaker 02 All my thoughts and feelings and memories.
43:06 Speaker 03 Imagine that. Is that what It's Turned On Sunshine and Spot His Mind is about? You can just wipe memories you don't want anymore?
43:12 Speaker 02 I guess so, yeah.
43:13 Speaker 03 Haven't watched it, and I don't think there's any way I could. So how can I be expected to know?
43:16 Speaker 02 My alarm's going off. Let me snooze that.
43:19 Speaker 03 Was that?
43:20 Speaker 02 I've got to collaborate on an Instagram post.
43:22 Speaker 04 Do you want to do that real quick?
43:23 Speaker 02 No, let's do, Joe, you read this fact.
43:25 Speaker 04 Well, do you want me to? Do you want me to play you the jingle that we had sent him?
43:30 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, yeah.
43:31 Speaker 03 So Fact It Hurts?
43:32 Speaker 04 Yes, so this comes from Mark, and he's created a jingle for If We Ever Decide If Something's So Fact It Hurts.
43:38 Speaker 02 It's really fact.
43:39 Speaker 03 This is great.
43:39 Speaker 02 It's 200% fact.
43:41 Speaker 04 Yeah, exactly.
43:41 Speaker 03 Wow.
43:42 Speaker 04 So here we go. This is from Mark. So Fact It Hurts!
43:49 Speaker 03 That's incredible. Does he just not say hurts at the end? It just so fact it and then.
43:52 Speaker 02 No, he did say hurts.
43:54 Speaker 04 He does say hurts. I think it's just so sort of melded with the music.
43:57 Speaker 03 There's so much like, um, riding guitar over the top. Is that what it's called?
44:00 Speaker 04 Yeah.
44:01 Speaker 02 Thanks, Mark. Your alarm's going off now as well.
44:04 Speaker 03 My phone's ringing, but, um.
44:05 Speaker 02 Right, get, read this fact, and then we can have a break and we can sort out all the other shit that we've got going on.
44:12 Speaker 03 Who's ringing me?
44:13 Speaker 02 Is that a fire alarm?
44:15 Speaker 03 It's not. No, it's all right. It'll be fine. Daddy's at work.
44:19 Speaker 02 This is, this is just XFM, this is just the XFM shows. I don't mind it, but we're leaning into it too much.
44:26 Speaker 03 We know, we shouldn't leave.
44:27 Speaker 02 We've completely ripped off everything.
44:29 Speaker 03 I know, and also, quite a lot of our show is just quoting
44:32 Speaker 02 Yeah.
44:33 Speaker 03 XFM show, or misquoting.
44:34 Speaker 02 Go on, go. What's our?
44:35 Speaker 03 Okay.
44:36 Speaker 02 Right, who we got a fact check from?
44:37 Speaker 03 So this week's fact check comes from Joe. Oh, more irony.
44:39 Speaker 02 There we go.
44:40 Speaker 03 Who's asked, is it true that the first hype?
44:45 Speaker 03 Is it true that the first high five was actually accidental?
44:51 Speaker 03 When two medieval knights tried to swat the same mosquito at the same time? Joe.
44:57 Speaker 02 This is the worst episode we've done.
44:58 Speaker 03 They both missed the bug. They both missed the bug. But hit each other's hand and thought it felt triumphant, so kept doing it.
45:08 Speaker 02 Right, hold off, let's go to a break and we'll discuss what we've just heard there.
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46:36 Speaker 02 Are we back?
46:36 Speaker 03 We're back. So the fact check was, um,
46:42 Speaker 03 the idea that-
46:43 Speaker 02 It's a brilliant story.
46:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
46:45 Speaker 02 It is a brilliant story.
46:47 Speaker 03 Tried to swat the same mosquito. I enjoyed this phrasing. They both missed the bug.
46:52 Speaker 02 They both missed the bug. Hit each other's hand.
46:55 Speaker 03 Hit each other's hand.
46:58 Speaker 02 Do you know what, Riot? When I first read that, I was like, that's fucking stupid. That is absolutely stupid.
47:04 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:05 Speaker 02 But I wouldn't be surprised if there is a historical, that it goes back to medieval times, knights.
47:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:17 Speaker 02 Germanic. That's all I say on this podcast.
47:21 Speaker 03 Yeah, I just, I knew this would happen. If you can jump off onto.
47:27 Speaker 02 I don't think, I don't think they were trying to swat the same mosquito, maybe during the crusades.
47:33 Speaker 03 The thing is, but also you wouldn't swat a mosquito like against what? Like if, unless the other hand was there, you're not even swatting it. You're just kind of going. It made more sense if it was saying they were actually trying to high five the mosquito.
47:46 Speaker 02 Right.
47:46 Speaker 03 But then they accidentally, so maybe the real story is it's something that.
47:52 Speaker 02 No, people do. People swat stuff out of the air.
47:55 Speaker 03 I suppose if it's that high five.
47:57 Speaker 02 They'd have to be very close as well. Are they on horseback? That's what I've got in my head. They're on horseback.
48:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
48:06 Speaker 02 He says medieval knights. I don't think that that's, I don't think it's so fact it hurts. But I wouldn't be surprised whether it was a gesture or something that goes far back, further back than you, than you think it would go. The high five.
48:27 Speaker 03 The high five.
48:28 Speaker 02 I wouldn't be surprised if it was Greek or, or Roman.
48:34 Speaker 03 The, the la, the, the phrase high five feels like a product of like California.
48:44 Speaker 02 Yeah.
48:45 Speaker 03 It feels American. I don't know why.
48:47 Speaker 02 Oh, it definitely is. Quite laid back. We still struggle with the high five. The high five's never, um, taken off in Britain.
48:54 Speaker 03 No, it hasn't. No.
48:56 Speaker 02 I can't tell you. I can't remember a single, unless it was like when my kids were a baby.
49:02 Speaker 03 I think it's most of the time you do rituals and you're like, yeah, you've done your drawing, high five.
49:06 Speaker 02 Yeah.
49:06 Speaker 03 And they can't do it either because it's just like.
49:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, they're pathetic at it, aren't they?
49:09 Speaker 03 They haven't got any bones in their hands.
49:10 Speaker 02 Idiots, but.
49:12 Speaker 03 Just get better hands.
49:14 Speaker 02 So, um.
49:15 Speaker 03 Learn to read.
49:16 Speaker 02 The high five's never really been adopted by Britain, that's for sure. It's not in our nature.
49:21 Speaker 03 I don't know, it's not, we're pretty strict with high five, do they?
49:24 Speaker 02 If someone went to high five me, I'd feel very uncomfortable.
49:27 Speaker 03 I think also it, it just, if you'd won a big case at the Old Bailey and then you high fived, to me, it'd cheapen it.
49:37 Speaker 02 Yeah. You get, I'd sentence you for that.
49:41 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'd say, wait a minute.
49:42 Speaker 02 I'd say, oh.
49:43 Speaker 03 Come back in, come back into the dock. Forty five years without the possibility of.
49:49 Speaker 02 Forty five years for high fiving, for high fiving in my courtroom.
49:52 Speaker 03 In my courtroom. It annoys me.
49:54 Speaker 02 Now, I don't think that this story is true. I don't, what do you think, Joe?
49:58 Speaker 03 I don't think it's true.
49:59 Speaker 02 I don't think it is fact.
50:01 Speaker 03 But it's an intro, I like the way it's, I, I like the, the sort of, the, the, the confabulation of the, the scenario.
50:12 Speaker 02 It's a new word for me.
50:13 Speaker 03 Just means making something up.
50:14 Speaker 02 Okay, thank you.
50:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, I don't know why, it's one of those words that you don't really need.
50:18 Speaker 02 No, it was unnecessary.
50:20 Speaker 03 Do you wanna hear, do you wanna hear a word that I think is totally unnecessary?
50:23 Speaker 02 Go on.
50:24 Speaker 03 Utilize. It just means use, like, just say use, like, like utilizing my weapon, I subdued the, just say use. It doesn't mean anything other.
50:34 Speaker 02 No, I feel like it means use in the, the most productive way possible.
50:42 Speaker 02 I think there's a difference between use and utilize.
50:45 Speaker 03 I feel like there'd be another word for that, um.
50:47 Speaker 02 Listen, I'm against long words, unnecessary long, long words. They make me feel bad about myself.
50:53 Speaker 03 I think utilize doesn't mean anything other than use, and I think people just use it to try and sound clever.
51:00 Speaker 02 Try and sound clever. All right, we'll get rid of that, we'll get, we'll get to the bottom.
51:04 Speaker 03 Not that one in the head.
51:05 Speaker 02 But, um, yeah, are we saying not fact?
51:11 Speaker 03 Something about this scenario, these two knights.
51:15 Speaker 02 It's all too convenient, isn't it?
51:19 Speaker 03 Bothered by, I think if you're a knight, you've got a little bit more to worry about than a mosquito.
51:23 Speaker 02 Hmm.
51:24 Speaker 03 I do, I, I just think the idea, you know, you've probably got a cannonball coming at you. You wouldn't be like, oh God. It's mos-, what if the mosquito, I suppose if mo-, to be fair, look, if a mosquito got into your suit of armour, that would.
51:36 Speaker 02 That's a problem.
51:37 Speaker 03 That would be unpleasant and could lead to.
51:40 Speaker 02 Yeah. But to be, and also they've got to have a clear sight of view and all that sort of stuff.
51:46 Speaker 03 Yeah.
51:46 Speaker 02 You know, you get sports people that would get put off. You saw littler with that wasp.
51:53 Speaker 03 I didn't see that actually, but is that, I know, I'm aware he still won, didn't he?
51:56 Speaker 02 But you could, yeah, but you couldn't do his darts properly.
51:59 Speaker 03 No, no.
52:00 Speaker 02 Is that what you call it? I'm gonna, I'm off to do darts now.
52:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
52:04 Speaker 02 He couldn't do his darts properly with that wasp in his face.
52:06 Speaker 03 Yeah.
52:07 Speaker 02 So maybe something like that happened, but I don't think the idea of like these two knights, both swatting something at the same time and then just being like, whoa, what was that?
52:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, I, yes, I, I think that that's the bit that I.
52:21 Speaker 02 Yeah, we should keep doing that.
52:23 Speaker 03 I don't think that's.
52:24 Speaker 02 I don't know what that was, but that was, what would we call that?
52:27 Speaker 03 We, we couldn't have done that if we tried.
52:28 Speaker 02 Yeah.
52:29 Speaker 03 You'd be like, no, you, you surely you've done that before.
52:31 Speaker 02 Why would we do that? What would we call that? Well, I've got five digits here on the end of.
52:38 Speaker 03 Five fingers in my mail.
52:40 Speaker 02 We raised our hands quite high, didn't we?
52:43 Speaker 03 Hmm.
52:44 Speaker 02 Is that the discussion that went on?
52:46 Speaker 03 How many crusades have we been on? Five.
52:50 Speaker 02 Five.
52:50 Speaker 03 No, I just, I don't know, I've said that, that's ridiculous. So tell you the story about how I am.
52:54 Speaker 02 Go on.
52:56 Speaker 03 They're telling my fascism number five story. I feel like I've done this somewhere else.
53:00 Speaker 02 What?
53:01 Speaker 03 I did, I wrote my dissertation at university on fascism and.
53:05 Speaker 02 This is the first I'm hearing about this and you talk about being at university constantly.
53:10 Speaker 03 Well, I hadn't really done it.
53:12 Speaker 02 No.
53:13 Speaker 03 And, um.
53:14 Speaker 02 Yeah, you mentioned that a lot, how you, you just did everything in the last five minutes or something.
53:20 Speaker 03 I just hadn't got it together and.
53:22 Speaker 02 Really? Go on, carry on.
53:24 Speaker 03 I was in the computer room.
53:26 Speaker 02 Hmm.
53:27 Speaker 03 And.
53:27 Speaker 02 On the internet?
53:29 Speaker 03 Probably, possibly on the internet. And it got to like five to four or something. I was, I just got to go to sleep. I can't, I, I can't. This is crazy. So I went to my bed and I had an hour's sleep. It wasn't sleep. It was a kind of horrible hallucinatory. Um, kind of.
53:46 Speaker 02 Fever dreams.
53:47 Speaker 03 Panic tremor.
53:48 Speaker 02 Yeah.
53:48 Speaker 03 Um, then I got back and I was walking back to the computer room and there was a clock.
53:58 Speaker 03 And I looked at the clock and I hadn't written the conclusion for my, just saying, I was doing that day.
54:03 Speaker 02 Hmm.
54:05 Speaker 03 And I was, I don't know, what do I think about fascism? I don't know. Don't ask me, Gov. Against it. I honestly thought I'd be able to go like.
54:12 Speaker 02 Is that what you put in the thing?
54:13 Speaker 03 I honestly thought I wanted to, I thought I'd just be able to put like, ah, rubbish, isn't it?
54:18 Speaker 02 Yeah, no good.
54:19 Speaker 03 And, um, I saw the clock and it was five o'clock and I was desperate for this conclusion. I was like fascism, fascism.
54:27 Speaker 03 Five, five, five, fascism, five, fascism, five, fascism, five, five. It's about fives. It's about this, it's about fives. Fascism is about fives. It's about five things. It's something about five things coming together.
54:42 Speaker 02 Joe, I don't know.
54:43 Speaker 03 And I went back in being like, I've got it. I've cracked it.
54:47 Speaker 02 I don't, I don't know what you got out of the, out of your university experience. Cause there's a lot of my, I, I, I am genuinely someone that is quite embarrassed about how uneducated they are. And it makes me, it, it does make me feel very insecure and I'm, I'm very cliched of that person as like, I wish I'd paid more attention at school.
55:12 Speaker 03 Okay.
55:13 Speaker 02 I'd love to go to school now. I'd absolutely love it. They were offering me so much stuff that was just there, like for free.
55:20 Speaker 03 I regularly dream about being back at, what I would say is that never goes away. Even if you do have education, all you feel is, ah, but somebody else did better.
55:28 Speaker 02 Right.
55:29 Speaker 03 What if you're me anyway?
55:30 Speaker 02 Yeah, like, like whenever you talk to me about your university experience, the only thing that I feel like you've got from going to Cambridge is a crippling addiction to coffee.
55:46 Speaker 02 That's the only.
55:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
55:48 Speaker 02 Because you're always telling me about how you basically ran on coffee.
55:51 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
55:52 Speaker 02 And, and that carried on all the way through The Inbetweeners and, um, I mean, you're drinking tea now, which is lovely to see, by the way.
55:59 Speaker 03 Yeah, no, I can't, because coffee, actually, I realise it makes me really anxious.
56:03 Speaker 02 Does it?
56:04 Speaker 03 Yeah. And, uh.
56:06 Speaker 02 Yeah.
56:06 Speaker 03 I am, no, when we did the first series of The Inbetweeners, all I was trying to do was time the caffeine high to coincide with my single.
56:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
56:13 Speaker 03 That's all I was trying to do. I was like, there's no reason why a performance would come out, but the drugs might make.
56:18 Speaker 02 Hmm.
56:18 Speaker 03 You know, in Eastbound and Down, where he goes on the dance floor and just goes, work drugs.
56:23 Speaker 02 I've never seen Eastbound and Down.
56:24 Speaker 03 Yeah, but basically I was just trying to be like, well, the caffeine will speak for me.
56:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, you need to time it. Yeah.
56:31 Speaker 03 I think I never really came down and settled and never really
56:43 Speaker 03 kind of calmed down. And so I, I, yeah, I regularly dream about being back there and then like, you can have another go. And I'm like, oh God, thank you.
56:57 Speaker 02 No, you can.
56:58 Speaker 03 You can go. Yeah, you can.
56:59 Speaker 02 You can.
57:00 Speaker 03 You can, you can, you said, yeah.
57:01 Speaker 02 I don't think you should or need to. I don't think it's, I don't think it's necessary. But I just feel like, I feel like you were already had all the ingredients of a bit of a.
57:14 Speaker 03 A basket case.
57:16 Speaker 02 Right?
57:17 Speaker 03 Yeah.
57:17 Speaker 02 And I think, I think Cambridge just.
57:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
57:21 Speaker 02 Just brought it all out on you.
57:22 Speaker 03 Yeah.
57:23 Speaker 02 And now, and now you're carrying that with you for the rest of your life.
57:27 Speaker 03 Yeah, sort of, um, sort of, yeah, I know, I, I, yeah, I can, I can see that.
57:36 Speaker 04 What do we think of fact check?
57:37 Speaker 02 Oh yeah, fact check.
57:38 Speaker 03 Good point.
57:39 Speaker 02 Right. Thank you, Lily May. I don't think that two medieval knights, I don't think there will be any, that would be impossible to have any kind of historical documentation to that, for that.
57:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
57:49 Speaker 02 However.
57:50 Speaker 03 Entire libraries have burned down.
57:51 Speaker 02 However.
57:52 Speaker 03 Somehow we've got this, well, no, I mean, it might be, I suppose what we'll say is unprovable.
57:56 Speaker 02 Unprovable, but I will. I'm torn, man. I'm really torn because usually, you know, all those sort of, like when we talked about the saluting and stuff like that where it was originally like taken off, but then it, I feel like the high five would have stayed in the military. Like maybe they're doing, so they'd still be like trooping the colours and like high fiving each other.
58:20 Speaker 02 Like I feel in some way or another, if it was historic, if it was a, if it was a historical thing, it would have stayed. Because the military love to hang on to fucking.
58:29 Speaker 03 They like hanging on to stuff, don't they?
58:30 Speaker 02 Antiquated.
58:32 Speaker 03 Just a bit.
58:32 Speaker 02 Pointless traditions.
58:34 Speaker 03 Just a bit.
58:36 Speaker 02 I'm, I'm gonna just say no, no, it's not fact. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, it gets a big old B for bollocks for me.
58:42 Speaker 03 Ooh, okay, well, it, it doesn't.
58:45 Speaker 02 I love it though. I love the story. I love, I love the thought. I see it in my head. There's two knights. They're on horseback. They're going to swap the same mosquito. They accidentally high five and they go, whoa, dude, what have you just done?
58:58 Speaker 03 I wish that there's an innocence to it, that I, you know,
59:05 Speaker 03 you know, applaud or whatever, but I don't think it, you can't really say that that's historical fact.
59:10 Speaker 02 We're gonna, we're gonna not fact.
59:11 Speaker 04 Not a fact.
59:12 Speaker 03 No, but good, good name though, Joe.
59:14 Speaker 02 Lily May, have you got any, anything to help us out with this?
59:18 Speaker 04 Yeah, I have done a little bit of research. So it's mainly sort of linked to baseball. And there was sort of a, a sort of accidental celebration of a high five. So sort of similar to the Knights in a way, but basically they said they high, high fived by accident. And, and that's what popularised it. I think there's a guy called Glenn Burke as well who popularised it. But there are sort of no real facts as to where it genuinely started. However, there is a history of the Low Five. Which comes from like an African American jazz scene, basically. I think that's around in the 1960s, maybe before then, and also women's volleyball also may have
1:00:00 Speaker 04 used the high five before elsewhere, but there's no like factual where the very first one started from.
1:00:08 Speaker 02 The low five.
1:00:09 Speaker 03 So could the low five have come before, is the low five a conscious take on the high five or is it?
1:00:13 Speaker 02 Well, the low five is just like, like that, like so much of like culture of modern day culture has come from sort of jukeboxes and, and, and sort of dive bars and, and
1:00:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:00:27 Speaker 02 juke bars and stuff in sort of black American sort of 1920s.
1:00:32 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:00:32 Speaker 02 That is just sort of spread everywhere. We've all, we've all sort of, we're all sort of culturally appropriating that, aren't we?
1:00:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's probably true.
1:00:39 Speaker 02 Loads of stuff has come from that.
1:00:41 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. And it's just treated as kind of like, well, that's just, you know, he's always been there.
1:00:45 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:00:46 Speaker 03 But.
1:00:46 Speaker 04 Some people have also, um, this is definitely not true, but I thought I would, um, add this in. There is a fabricated tale from the Battle of Hastings involving a Norman Archer.
1:00:58 Speaker 02 We love Hastings.
1:00:59 Speaker 04 Basically saying he accidentally, um, invented it after hitting King Harold, um, slapping his hand in celebration.
1:01:06 Speaker 02 Hmm. It's in the Magna Carta. No, not the Magna Carta, the Biotapestry.
1:01:09 Speaker 03 It's in the Biotapestry.
1:01:10 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:01:10 Speaker 03 Should have seen it.
1:01:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:01:13 Speaker 03 Should have seen that. It's on loan, isn't it at the moment?
1:01:15 Speaker 02 All right. Sorry. What's his name, Joe? Sorry, Joe. That, we don't, that doesn't get the stamp.
1:01:21 Speaker 03 Sorry.
1:01:22 Speaker 02 But a great story.
1:01:23 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:01:23 Speaker 02 So, so sort of fact.
1:01:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:01:26 Speaker 02 Cause it was funny and amusing.
1:01:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:01:28 Speaker 02 Um, Joe, I hope to God that you've got a fact because I turned up without one. It's the one thing I was supposed to do.
1:01:38 Speaker 03 I have got a fact. So this fact was about famous Tonys.
1:01:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:01:43 Speaker 03 And it was.
1:01:43 Speaker 02 Oh, Gary, oh.
1:01:45 Speaker 04 Have you just come up with a fact now?
1:01:47 Speaker 02 No, I've not come up with a fact, but I've come up with, with something that I'd wanna do. Go on, you do yours.
1:01:53 Speaker 03 Famous Tonys. So I was just thinking about.
1:01:57 Speaker 04 I don't know if we said, sorry, I don't know if we said this, but it was because you got confused.
1:02:00 Speaker 03 It was because I got confused between Tony Stark and Tony Hawk. I've already forgotten who Tony Stark is again, but.
1:02:06 Speaker 02 Tony Stark is Iron Man. We told you this.
1:02:07 Speaker 03 I, yeah, no, you kept, you, every time you say it to me, okay, I know, Tony Stark, Game of Thrones. And it's not Game of Thrones either, is it?
1:02:15 Speaker 02 No.
1:02:15 Speaker 03 So my, I, so I was thinking about names, the name Tony.
1:02:18 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:02:18 Speaker 03 Not a name you, you know, particularly hear much for new babies now. I don't know many babies have been Chris and Tony.
1:02:26 Speaker 04 Anthony?
1:02:28 Speaker 04 AJ? Anthony? Anthony Joshua?
1:02:33 Speaker 04 Tony's.
1:02:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, but I'm talking about like babies, babies being born now. I don't, I don't think that's, I think if we looked, I'm interested in trends in baby names, basically.
1:02:39 Speaker 02 Shall I, shall I agree with you, just help you out with your fact?
1:02:42 Speaker 03 Yeah, okay. So I thought, when I, when I see Tony, I think it's more, you know, my, my parents got a friend called Tony.
1:02:47 Speaker 02 A baby Tony, I'm picturing a baby with a moustache.
1:02:50 Speaker 03 But yeah, or, or I, I honestly, I think probably now more genuinely more con for girls, T O N I. I reckon Tonies as girl would now outweigh Tonies boy for boys.
1:03:02 Speaker 02 For boys, right.
1:03:03 Speaker 03 And I'm interested, like, and other names. And so I was, I, I don't know, it's not the, it's not the, the most one like that. Like, I heard about Gary, there's no Garry's anymore. I know, you know, if you're having a baby boy, you ain't calling that kid Gary.
1:03:16 Speaker 02 No.
1:03:17 Speaker 03 I don't, and I don't know why, what was happening to Gary? Like, I don't understand, like, is it just, it was so ubiquitous and now it's like, we just can't, like, like.
1:03:25 Speaker 02 I had about three Garry's in my year in primary school.
1:03:27 Speaker 03 It's gone, it's totally gone. I think, I thought, was there a year, can we check this a little bit? Was there a year where no Garry's were born? Literally no Garry's. Because that's wild.
1:03:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:03:38 Speaker 03 Anyway, so Tony, so is, so this is a shit fact, as well, you haven't got on mine, shit. So the year, the year in which, do you want to know the year in which most, in the UK, in which most boys were Chris and Tony?
1:03:49 Speaker 02 Right. Most boys, Chris and Tony in the UK. Hmm. I think, I think it's, I think it's very far back in history.
1:04:01 Speaker 02 Do I feel like it's Italian? I'm thinking Roman Catholic, I'm thinking before, I'm going before, um.
1:04:07 Speaker 03 I think we might not have had records that far back. So did I say modern hit, so 20th century?
1:04:11 Speaker 02 20th century.
1:04:12 Speaker 03 I don't, because I don't know about that, we probably just don't know. And also there were less people.
1:04:15 Speaker 02 Right, okay. 20th century, I feel like there might have been, after the 40s, there might have been a bit of like, oh, because I just think Tony's Italian.
1:04:30 Speaker 03 Yep, okay, yeah, yeah.
1:04:31 Speaker 02 And I think there might, like, after, after, after the 40s, there might have been a bit like,
1:04:36 Speaker 03 Hang on.
1:04:37 Speaker 02 Not, we're not into the Italians that much after they teamed up with that Hitler, which we haven't mentioned so far.
1:04:45 Speaker 03 Mention, mention fascism, so.
1:04:47 Speaker 02 Then we're back to fascism.
1:04:48 Speaker 03 Back to that, yeah, so.
1:04:49 Speaker 02 I'm gonna say twenties.
1:04:53 Speaker 03 Twenties, okay, so you went there, 1965.
1:04:56 Speaker 02 No way. What happened in 1965?
1:04:59 Speaker 03 Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you who was, I'll tell you who was riding high in 1965, Mr. Tony Bennett.
1:05:03 Speaker 02 Right.
1:05:04 Speaker 03 Tony Bennett. And I looked at Tony Bennett, so my fact, basically about Tony Bennett, basically, he was just a really good bloke. He helped liberate a concentration camp, literally.
1:05:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:05:13 Speaker 03 That's pretty amazing.
1:05:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:05:15 Speaker 03 He went on the, um, Selma to Montgomery March, like the civil rights march, and, and performed.
1:05:22 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:05:23 Speaker 03 Basically, just, I'm just unbelievable, unbelievable person.
1:05:26 Speaker 02 Do you know what, like?
1:05:27 Speaker 03 It's not a very good fact, but it's, I thought it's vaguely, you know.
1:05:30 Speaker 02 Really good, but you know how we're, like, how we're.
1:05:32 Speaker 03 Nice person?
1:05:33 Speaker 02 Supposed to be actors, right?
1:05:35 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'd, yeah, I've sort of forgotten.
1:05:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, but when you hear about those classic Hollywood actors.
1:05:41 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:05:42 Speaker 02 But they also, like, served in Japan and stuff, like, all of them, like, all, like, like bloody, um, what's his name?
1:05:51 Speaker 03 Presley?
1:05:51 Speaker 02 Um, no, the other one, the other one from that, Johnny Cash.
1:05:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah.
1:05:58 Speaker 02 Johnny Cash was in like, oh, he was in the air force. Presley was in the army at some point.
1:06:02 Speaker 03 I imagine it probably helped to put things a bit into perspective as well. You probably, you probably worried about stuff a bit less.
1:06:08 Speaker 02 That's the thing.
1:06:08 Speaker 03 When you were just not being shot at.
1:06:10 Speaker 02 Like, we'd worry about our little TV show, whether it's good or not.
1:06:13 Speaker 03 Oh, God, what is.
1:06:14 Speaker 02 I bet they were just like, I'm just writing a song.
1:06:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:06:16 Speaker 02 If people like it, if people like it, great. If they don't.
1:06:19 Speaker 03 Exactly.
1:06:19 Speaker 02 It's not too bad.
1:06:20 Speaker 03 Probably a laudable attitude towards what was essentially like pop culture.
1:06:24 Speaker 02 It's not, it's not surprising when you hear like, when you hear Tony Bennett was a part of, you know, was there liberating a concentration camp and stuff like that. It's like, yeah, they all had proper lives, didn't they?
1:06:34 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:06:35 Speaker 02 And they, I just don't, I don't think.
1:06:37 Speaker 03 Whereas I just pretend to be a schoolboy.
1:06:39 Speaker 02 You just had a coffee addiction. You really got into coffee.
1:06:42 Speaker 03 I used to drink two cafetiers in the morning.
1:06:48 Speaker 03 And then I'd go completely mental.
1:06:50 Speaker 02 Hmm.
1:06:51 Speaker 03 Uh, then I'd go to the bathroom, sort of throw the towels around and then, um,
1:06:56 Speaker 02 What does that mean?
1:06:56 Speaker 03 Come back out. Well, literally, I'd go to bash.
1:06:58 Speaker 02 Right.
1:06:59 Speaker 03 Bash stuff about a bit.
1:07:00 Speaker 02 Right.
1:07:01 Speaker 03 Then I'd come out and Simon Bird would try and coax some writing out of me.
1:07:05 Speaker 02 Yeah. See, I'm more aware of this in hindsight.
1:07:09 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:07:09 Speaker 02 I'll be honest with you.
1:07:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:07:10 Speaker 02 Cause I just thought it was quite funny how nervous and anxious you were. And I was like, oh, I bet I can really wind him up and.
1:07:19 Speaker 03 You could. But to be fair though, you were not, you were actually a kind of welcome.
1:07:23 Speaker 02 But I was young, I was a kid, man.
1:07:25 Speaker 03 It was like fighting fire with fire. I was like, actually, at least I prefer this sort of winding up at least.
1:07:28 Speaker 02 I was, yeah, it was, it was, um, route one. It was literally route one. There was that, have I spoke about the time where I, um, I must have done. It's one of my favourite stories.
1:07:39 Speaker 03 What did you do?
1:07:40 Speaker 02 Joe was in the distance, sat on a bench. This was while we were filming the caravan club episode. Joe was outside, sat on a bench, having one of his, like, frequent, many, uh, breakdowns. So it was like, you, you become desensitized to it. You don't, in my defence.
1:08:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, I know. I didn't really.
1:08:02 Speaker 02 It, it doesn't become a thing where you go, oh, God, is Joe okay? Because this is happening all the time, right? So, and Joe was in distance and I was,
1:08:12 Speaker 02 I, I, and I did that thing where I, I looked above him and waved. And Joe turned around and saw that there was no one behind him. And then turned around and by the time he turned around back at me, I was just giving him the middle finger. And Joe said, why would you do that apart from making me want to hate you?
1:08:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, that is probably an overreaction by me, to be fair.
1:08:36 Speaker 02 No, but, but, no, that's, that's fine.
1:08:38 Speaker 03 I'm not good with deception. I, I, I don't, I don't find it
1:08:46 Speaker 03 charm, charm, I can, I can sort of charming distraction. I, I feel, I literally feel like the entire fabric of reality is, is falling apart.
1:08:53 Speaker 02 What happens when like a close up magician?
1:08:56 Speaker 03 Well, I know that's a trick, but what, but what I mean is I, I hate those card games where you have to pretend that you've got something you haven't got.
1:09:01 Speaker 02 Right.
1:09:02 Speaker 03 I'm just like, we can't start lying to each other, man. We cannot start lying to each other because it would all fucking fall apart. Like it's so much just relies on, I can't, I can't check everything. If I go to somebody, what's your name? And they go, oh, Gavin. I'm like, and I just take it as fact. I, they could, do you know what I mean? Like they, I don't go, oh, tell, show me some ID.
1:09:21 Speaker 02 You've got to tell me.
1:09:21 Speaker 03 Do I need to?
1:09:22 Speaker 02 You've got to.
1:09:23 Speaker 03 Do I need to ask for ID?
1:09:24 Speaker 02 Your, your brain is like just revving in the red constantly.
1:09:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, I know.
1:09:30 Speaker 02 You need to just move gears a little bit so that the, so it comes down a little bit more.
1:09:35 Speaker 03 I'm working on it. I'm working on it.
1:09:39 Speaker 04 There were only eight babies named Gary in 2023.
1:09:43 Speaker 03 That's what I'm saying.
1:09:44 Speaker 02 Only eight?
1:09:45 Speaker 04 Only eight.
1:09:46 Speaker 02 That's nuts.
1:09:47 Speaker 04 We've not had a Gary-less year, but we're pretty close.
1:09:50 Speaker 02 Eight's really like out of what's, how many babies are born in a year in the UK, do you think?
1:09:56 Speaker 03 Nine, I think.
1:09:56 Speaker 02 Nine million.
1:09:57 Speaker 04 At least.
1:09:59 Speaker 03 Yeah. So actually it was really good.
1:10:02 Speaker 02 This was a good year with Garys.
1:10:03 Speaker 03 There was just hardly any babies. Did it bounce back after 2023?
1:10:08 Speaker 03 You mean?
1:10:08 Speaker 04 Um, it's bounced back a little bit. Let me have a, let me see. Let me see what 2024 figures. Cause there was a big campaign about Garys.
1:10:16 Speaker 02 Right, Katie's sighing, so should we fucking?
1:10:18 Speaker 03 We're gonna get, we'll get on with it now.
1:10:19 Speaker 02 Jesus Christ.
1:10:20 Speaker 03 Anyway, so that was, so basically my fact is.
1:10:22 Speaker 04 It's still extremely low.
1:10:23 Speaker 02 Katie, you've done nothing for me today. And my confidence.
1:10:28 Speaker 03 Don't sigh.
1:10:29 Speaker 02 Joe was, Joe turned up a bit late today and there was a bit of an awkward silence. So Katie felt, while we were all waiting for you, Joe, so Katie felt like she would fill that silence with telling me that she, she's my manager, by the way, she was telling me she's never watched The Inbetweeners and when The Inbetweeners came out, she was just like, I hate this. I hate all of this. This is not funny.
1:10:50 Speaker 03 That's amazing.
1:10:51 Speaker 02 I was like, well, you've, you've bigged me up. Thanks. I'm ready to go off and do a podcast now.
1:10:55 Speaker 03 I quite, I like, I quite, I like a strong reaction. It's good.
1:10:59 Speaker 02 I don't mind people that don't like The Inbetweeners.
1:11:01 Speaker 03 I don't mind whoever. You don't have to like.
1:11:02 Speaker 02 I agree with them. It's like.
1:11:04 Speaker 03 There's lots of stuff I don't like.
1:11:05 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's the same with all the, all the critical comments that we get.
1:11:09 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:11:09 Speaker 02 They're not like mean. They're not like, like, they don't.
1:11:13 Speaker 03 No, they're just accurate.
1:11:14 Speaker 02 Physically, they took, they genuinely talk about the, the show.
1:11:18 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:11:19 Speaker 02 The, the comments are, if they're critical, they're critical about the comments of the show and you go, yeah.
1:11:22 Speaker 03 I know.
1:11:23 Speaker 02 That's right. Should we, should we wrap up, Joe?
1:11:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:11:26 Speaker 02 Cause you've got to move your car, haven't you?
1:11:27 Speaker 03 I've got to move my car. It's parked, um.
1:11:29 Speaker 02 And then we've got to do another episode, aren't we?
1:11:31 Speaker 03 Do we have to do that again today?
1:11:32 Speaker 02 Yeah. Yes, Joe.
1:11:36 Speaker 03 Can't we?
1:11:37 Speaker 02 No.
1:11:38 Speaker 03 All right.
1:11:38 Speaker 04 This is your fault.
1:11:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:11:40 Speaker 03 Oh.
1:11:43 Speaker 03 So horribly accurate.
1:11:45 Speaker 02 Anyway, um, I'll say this just to get us out. Um, we hope you've learned something. I had a nice time. Um, it doesn't necessarily need to have been both. We'll be back next week armed with more facts, chats and Gary stats. And don't forget that you can get in touch with us if you'd like us to fact check something that feels true for you. Or to you, or whatever nonsense you'd like us to tell us. Any information you need to get to us. Any message, anything you want us to talk about, anything you think. Yeah. Anything that you think we'd find funny. Our email is hello at joeandjamespod.com. Our WhatsApp number is 07822034330 and follow us on our social medias.
1:12:28 Speaker 02 We're at joeandjamespodcast and you can also DM us on that, right? Um, and head to the podcast description if you've already forgotten those details. There we go. That was a podcast. I don't know what that's going to be. I don't know how this is going to sound. I hope you enjoyed it.
1:12:44 Speaker 03 Off the ground. Bye.
1:12:46 Speaker 02 Thanks, guys.
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