From Forever Wars to AI: The New Elite Wealth Extraction Model | Simon Dixon PT 2

Welcome back to part two of this incredible conversation with Simon Dixon. We’re picking up where we left off by diving headfirst into the transformation happening across the global economic and political landscape—a change so significant, it just might be the biggest we’ll witness in our lifetime. With debt piling up at unsustainable rates, questions loom about whether we’re headed for a major crisis, or if we’re already in the middle of a managed transition toward a radically different world order. The conversation focused on how multipolarity is reshaping the rules of the game, breaking down how historic power structures—think dominant currencies, empires, and centralized financial control—are giving way to competing regional blocs. One concept discussed was the interplay between financial, military, and technology interests, from petrodollar arrangements and government debt rollovers to covert narratives driving mergers, acquisitions, and, perhaps most importantly, who wields real power. A key theme that emerged was how ordinary people can navigate these seismic shifts. Are we destined for a future where AI-driven surveillance grids, programmable money, and social credit scores define our sovereignty—or is there still a playbook for individual autonomy and asset ownership, even as the elites centralize more control? We’ll untangle these complex, high-stakes dynamics and challenge the stories fed to us by politicians, the media, and the powers behind the powers. Stay tuned as we break down what the rise of regional powers, persistent crises, and the digitization of wealth could mean—both for the world at large and for you personally. This is an episode packed with insights you won’t want to miss. What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: Want my help starting a business? Join me here inside Zero To Founder https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show Sign up for my AI Masterclass: AI Masterclass https://tombilyeu.com/ai-masterclass?utm_campaign=Live%20Masterclass&utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=evergreen Follow Me: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Follow Simon Dixon: Twitter: https://x.com/SimonDixonTwitt YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@simondixon21 Thank you to our sponsors: Tailor Brands: Check out Tailor Brands to get started with your business today: https://bit.ly/TailorBrandsSept Quince: Free shipping and 365-day returns at https://quince.com/impactpod Quo: ​​Try for free PLUS get 20% off your first 6 months at https://quo.com/impact Pipedrive: Get more leads and grow your business. Go to https://www.pipedrive.com/impact and get started with a 30-day free trial. Surfshark: Go to https://surfshark.com/TOMBor use code TOMB at checkout to get 4 extra months of Surfshark! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Welcome back to part two of this incredible conversation. Without further ado, here we go.

• 1:01Tom Bilyeu?

  When I look at the rate that we're bringing on debt, to me, this is unsustainable. You have a mathematical crisis racing towards you barring massive amounts of inflation, which is what I think they're actually going to do. Because without that, you do hit a wall where your every tax dollar you take just goes to interest payments. So they obviously won't let that happen. You've talked about the need for a theatrical crisis to justify that level of inflation. Is that what's coming? Like, what is the next phase? This feels like such a period of change. Am I crazy? Or are we really about to do something dramatic?

• 1:40Speaker 01

  No, I think what we're experiencing today is the biggest amount of change that we'll ever experience in our lifetime.

• 1:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Is that just the technology of AI, though? Or is it the way that we interface with our money?

• 1:51Speaker 01

  So historically, we're used to a dominant empire that controls one currency. And, you know, there's dominant. There's a dominant MIC, there's a dominant FIC, and there's a dominant, you know, historically. Think of, to summarize that whole conversation, you have the FIC, and they have two tools. One is MIC, one is TIC. Okay? So TIC is the Neo control grid. The MIC is, go get me some oil from Venezuela. And, you know, we can use, go get me that country and subordinate that country. You know, that's the, that's the, the two tools that they have. They have a lot more, but these are the predominant tools. Really, if you think about it, what have we been used to in our lifetime, starting with the boomers?

• 2:36Speaker 01

  We had a Soviet Union that represented the whole communistic ideology. We had America and Europe that represented old capitalism and neo-capitalism. The Europeans were blowing each other up, and all the governments were in debt, subordinated to the FIC. The city of London was managing all the currency wars and all of the, those operations. Transition to the Fed, we had this more decentralized model that kind of evolved over time. Left the gold standard 71, then petrodollar. And so it wasn't until in 91, with the fall of the Soviet Union, we had the hegemon, you know, the hegemonic power.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  And there was no gold standard. We had a petrodollar that was rolling over a lot of the debt by having oil priced in dollars, and then them investing those dollars in US government debt. And that became the backbone of the entire banking system. Then we had a series of bubbles that we blew up. You know, we had the dot-com boom and bust. We had the savings and loan crisis before that. We had the, every one of those led to a socialized losses, privatized gains event. The government was on the hook. The, the, the money came to the banks and the FIC, and they became more powerful at everyone. 2008 was when they gained, when BlackRock gained its superpowers.

• 4:03Tom Bilyeu?

  And they become more powerful through centralization. More players die.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  They gain power. They gain power through centralization, but crisis is how you get those peak centralizing events.

• 4:14Tom Bilyeu?

  But the actual thing that centralizes is other players die off, and the players that live are stronger because there's less competition.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, mergers and acquisitions and access to the government's bailout money. Those are the, the two mechanisms.

• 4:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. So you get to, other companies go bust that don't have access to the, you know, the privatized, the socialized losses. You get to buy them. And you also get the capital from the government. You know, and you get to, you know, and that's the centralizing force, and every crisis creates a new one of those. I would say that after, you know, after the petrodollar, after the removal of the gold standard, then the game was just about rolling over debt. Then you had the fall of the Soviet Union. Then you had the global hegemon. And then it was just about, how long can you roll over? And how liquid can you make these treasury markets? And use the MIC in order to force everyone to buy these treasuries.

• 5:13Tom Bilyeu?

  And how does that work exactly?

• 5:15Speaker 01

  Well, for example, the petrodollar is a good example. That came from after, so you had removal of gold standard. Then you needed a new way to commit, create demand after 71. You told everyone, you can't, you can't convert your dollars into gold anymore.

• 5:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 5:36Speaker 01

  And then you get a series of events. For example, Israel invades Syria and Egypt in 73. October the 7th, 1973, Israel invades Egypt and Syria. That was called Yom Kippur. October the 7th, 2023, was like 50 years after that event. There was a resistance against that that led to the formation of OPEC, which was a group of companies, the, countries, rather, like Venezuela, Saudi, Iran. They wanted to resist against the large seven, big seven oil companies across Europe and America. So they coordinated together and said, right,

• 6:19Speaker 01

  Europeans, Americans, you need our energy. And this was when they were dependent upon Middle Eastern energy for that. So they did an oil embargo. That created a crisis. That created an inflation recycle. That created a very similar situation to what we're experiencing now. But the difference is, is that big oil in America today are able to capitalize on this. The FIC is able to make money, the worst this crisis gets. You know, those, but back then, it was, you know, genuine negotiation was needed. So OPEC formed a resistance network against Western big oil. And you had a regime change in Saudi Arabia,

• 7:03Speaker 01

  the assassination of King Faisal. And the petrodollar was negotiated. And the petrodollar was an agreement that says, right, if you don't want to be blown up Saudi Arabia, we're not gonna, you know, if you want to keep more of your oil resources and keep this partnership together, then price your oil in dollars. Now, you're not going to put your dollars in a bank because insurance at a bank says you can only have about half a million dollars before it's, you know, because they create money. So you have to buy government debt. Once you buy government debt, it's inside the Federal Reserve system. Once it's inside the Federal Reserve system, the conditions of the petrodollar was that every time

• 7:46Speaker 01

  we pay you interest, you have to purchase from our MIC. And so they had to purchase the construction of US bases in their country. And so they're buying these treasuries. The yield stimulates the US stock market. They then build a base, and then they can use that to dominate other countries in the region. They can expand to Iraq, they can expand to Iran, they can expand to Syria, they can expand to Sudan, they can expand to Lebanon, and just keep subordinating further and further and further. But that created, you know, that was a mechanism for using the MIC to enforce the demand for these FIC instruments, these US treasuries.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  Now, what's interesting today is there, all those bases are being blown up by Iran. That changes a lot. And the US Navy is not able to enforce the Strait of Hormuz, which changes a lot. So those are, you know, two key changes. That's a way of, of enforcing, you know, demand for treasuries. Now, what are they doing now? What are some of the policies? One, they're looking at whether, I mean, I don't think, I don't think they'll achieve it, but they're saying, maybe we can enforce through stable coins. So there has to be backed by US government debt. Those numbers are tiny. That's like a rounding error relative to what needs to be.

• 9:10Tom Bilyeu?

  But we got on to this because you were saying that we're living through the biggest change. And the biggest change, I think, is that we're going to a multipolar world. I think that's how we started down that path. So help me connect the dots. So who are going to be the regional powers? US becomes the Western Hemisphere only. China, I'm sure, is the next great power. What do you see playing out in Iran? What do you see playing out with Russia? Like, who are going to be the, the poles?

• 9:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. So it's a bit deceiving to say US because US is MIC FIC TIC. So US government is subordinate to MIC FIC TIC. So the US is the piggy bank in the socialized losses.

• 9:53Tom Bilyeu?

  And the way that they are subordinate is through politicians getting elected, have to please them? Or something else?

• 10:01Speaker 01

  So the government needs to answer to the Federal Reserve and bondholders. And so there you need to roll over their debt. It's bondholders that are going to roll over their debt. Punish you with higher interest rates, or they can slowly do what they did to the British Empire, which is just contract the value of the pound slowly, slowly, slowly, until capital outflows into other financial centers. And then they just re-host in new financial centers, which is what I think we're experiencing right now. We're seeing MIC FIC TIC reallocate in line with multipolars. Now, when we're talking about the Chinese government, that is a sovereign government. MIC FIC TIC sit underneath the government. You know, the reason China's authoritarian is because the government's in charge.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  In this model, American Western model, capital's in charge, and the government's subordinate to capital. So whoever controls the capital is who's in charge. In this model, whoever, you know, whoever capital answers to is in charge, which is the CCP in the case of China. Now, then you've got quasi-models in the middle. Saudi has its own money. It has a large sovereign wealth fund. The reason that Putin became public enemy number one is because when the Soviet Union fell, they were trying to privatize all the energy, all the resources. And it was the worst time in, you know, the Russian economy, when there was massive extraction

• 11:27Speaker 01

  from Russian oligarchs that were privatizing all the communistic assets. And then Putin came along and arrested all the, those that were, you know, privatizing all the assets. And then he became public enemy number one because he kept the energy and resources. And they had obviously a massive competing MIC to the one hosted in America. And so you've got all these different countries that have now set up all these different regional blocs. You've got a Mecca agreement, which is the result of this Iran war, where Turkey, a large manufacturing base that can produce drones, is partnering with nuclear

• 12:09Speaker 01

  armed Pakistan with a large army. Egypt is thinking of joining, highly militarized country with the capital of Saudi Arabia, that I think eventually Iran will join. Maybe it takes two years to get that narrative right, but I think Iran will end up joining that Mecca agreement. And you'll probably see the, you know, Syria and other really important control ports and Yemen's being resolved in all of these right now. So

• 12:36Tom Bilyeu?

  And so they collectively become a regional power.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  They become a regional power because no one's got everything.

• 12:43Tom Bilyeu?

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• 16:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so we've got US MIC FIC TIC is a regional power. You've got China, which controls its MIC FIC TIC as a regional power. Russia sounded a little more complicated. I'll need more on that. But then you've got

• 16:27Speaker 01

  Russia's part of the BRICS bloc, so.

• 16:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, but what does that mean? That they're aligned with China and they're subordinate to China?

• 16:36Speaker 01

  Subordinate is not quite the correct word, because they're the second-largest nuclear, you know, power in the world alongside China. But they're aligned for now. And so if you think about foreign policy, it was making sure that, you know, all of this, the mixed goals for FIC historically was to make sure that China and Russia could never be aligned, and that Africa could never use its resources, and the Middle East could never use its energy. Independent. That was what set the global hegemon world order. Africa needs to be subordinated. The resources need to be priced in dollars across West

• 17:18Speaker 01

  Asia, Middle East. And you can never had a unification between China and Russia in terms of their MIC, you know, their MIC FIC and TIC. And that's what's happening now. That's exactly what's happening now. So you've got, China has a bloc called the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, SEO. You've got the Asian exporting countries set up a bloc called ASEAN. You've got the largest population, two largest manufacturing bases, India and China, with the commodities of Brazil, and the nuclear might of Russia, and then the commodities of South Africa in terms of the African side. And who joined BRICS? Iran,

• 18:02Speaker 01

  UAE, Egypt, and Ethiopia. You look at those, these are key, key nodes in these competing structures. You've got the Gulf countries that are now in a power struggle, but bounded escalation, to take back control of the Middle East and end up with all the US bases.

• 18:25Tom Bilyeu?

  But you see it as take-back control from the US?

• 18:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 18:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so what is the relationship with Iran? It does not seem good.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  In Iran, you've got to get a bit more nuanced. There's two kind of power dynamics within Iran. You have a bit of a good cop, bad cop. It's a bit like UAE and Saudi. They play good cop, bad cop all the time. When you need to normalize with Israel, use UAE. When you need to look great to the Muslims, use Saudi. You know, you kind of have this good cop, bad cop. And then Iran comes along, and Iran is funding these different competing militia groups that all have their own interests. So you've got the Houthis, which is trying to gain power in Yemen. You've got Hamas, which is part of the resistance in Gaza.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  You've got Iraqi militia groups as a result of Iran gaining territory from the Iraq War. And then you've got Hezbollah in Lebanon. What I think we're witnessing right now is Iran using its MIC in order to negotiate what will eventually be a deal. I think there'll definitely be a deal. I still believe there will be a deal.

• 19:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Between who?

• 19:42Speaker 01

  Between the FIC and Iran, and the Gulf countries.

• 19:45Tom Bilyeu?

  The local FIC or the US FIC?

• 19:49Speaker 01

  The globe, like, the one hosted in America that I call the global FIC. The global FIC is the remnants of the British and American global power structure. So what was in the memorandum of understanding? There was a 300, it was called 300 billion reparations. Everybody took that and took it to mean whatever they want it to mean. So within Iran, you have the government, you have the Iranian Republic, which is, controls the central banking system, it controls the militarized IRGC, the military arm, it controls much of the ports and strategic choke points. You have the government, and then you have a

• 20:31Speaker 01

  theocracy side, the Ayatollah on top. And so you have, there was a regime change at the theocratic side, replace the Ayatollah with the Sun. So that remained in that power structure. The IRGC, in simple terms, sorry, who gets offended by this, but they're asset managers. They've got a bunch of assets. And then you've got the government. And so when you destroy the currency, which is a typical currency war, like Scott Bessent admitted, you know, Mossad said that they were on the ground when all these killings were happening. And so when you do those types of covert operations, you're doing a civilian target. You destroy the savings of the average Iranian person, so that then

• 21:14Speaker 01

  they uprise, and then you can try and just fully vassalize and negotiate the FIC. But the memorandum of understanding had a $300 billion rebuild contract. Whoever invests in that will tell you who won this war. I bet there's going to be Gulf reconstruction in the end, with an element of covert FIC financing. And so right now, you've got Iran negotiating control of the Strait of Hormuz with Oman. Oman's an intermediary between Western interests and Gulf interests.

• 21:50Speaker 01

  And the Gulf countries need access to the Strait of Hormuz. So via Oman, there'll be some kind of covert agreement that changes how these ports and the strategic choke points are negotiated. Now, what is Iran trying to do? Well, Iran is investing in its, it's been historically investing in its militia groups in order to negotiate sanction relief with America. But it has an economy within the IRGC that benefits from the status quo, which is why you always get this, you know, justification for the narrative that we're taught, that they're trying to create a nuke and that they're trying to kill the Jews in Israel, all of that stuff.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  That's, that's narrative for public consumption. But the capital flows are that they funded these militia groups in order to negotiate their interest in the region because the Gulf countries were normalizing across, with big oil and from historical events. Remember how the revolution actually happened in Iran? It was because British Petroleum was keeping 80% of all the oil in Iran. They, in 1953, sent in the CIA and MI6. They overthrew the, the democracy and replaced it with a monarchy and the Shah.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  And that Shah was working with Western interest right up until the Iranian revolution in 1979. And that was when the Shah was becoming a bit more autonomous. It was standing against Israel. It was starting to, they, they invested in significant MIC contracts. So where did the sanction money that's being negotiated right now? That was under the Shah because they were purchasing massive, you know, they were bribing MIC to not, to not take them out. British Petroleum got to keep the oil and then the revolution came along and said, we want to nationalize the oil and keep it for our people. So then they got sanctioned and that destroys the country. Then you have a currency war. You take civilian targets.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  You push out the media machine and say, they're trying to kill us, they're trying to kill the Jews and all that stuff. And so they fund different groups so that they can negotiate sanction relief for themselves. And, and that's kind of where we are right now. I believe that a lot of the groups that Iran historically funded, they're now being integrated into actual state governments in Yemen, in Lebanon, and various other things right now. The US bases are being blown up and then the Gulf countries have invested in their alternative routes. And then eventually, but who, who, who's the most important player in all of this? It's China. Because America's not buying the energy. America's competing to sell the energy.

• 24:45Speaker 01

  China's buying it or China's buying it from Iran, China's buying it from the Gulf. They're investing around the whole region, across Africa and the Middle East. And they've formed an alliance with BRICS. So all this to say, the world is changing in a, in a radically, radically different way. And what do the FIC tend to do? Where they build multipolar financial centers, they're building BlackRock's head office is now in Riyadh in Saudi. We've got the Saudi Aramco CEOs on the board of BlackRock. And so UAE gets an FX swap line, which is a way of creating dollars that I talked about, you know, Euro dollars. You can create dollars outside of the Federal Reserve system.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  So distributing while simultaneously creating this fiscal dominance, asset stripping environment where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. And then to manage all of this conflict and unrest that may come one time, remember, they hedge for every outcome, they don't care. They'll asset strip for as long as there's demand for treasuries.

• 25:51Tom Bilyeu?

  And asset strip means that I'm going to get your assets distressed and buy them from you.

• 25:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I'm going to create an environment where the cost of living means it's prohibitive for you to own assets. And if you can beat the game, then you're managing all of your wealth through us. And so they've got both sides there, you know? And their job is to keep the K-shaped economy going so that the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. Any disaster, you socialize losses and privatize gains until one day, they don't want to use the treasuries as the backbone for the entire banking system. Now, that is normally a very uneventful event. It will normally be a slow transfer.

• 26:33Tom Bilyeu?

  It seems like it's already happening.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  I think it's already happening, absolutely. But the war did kind of strengthen the dollar. It's represented by a weakening dollar when that's actually happening. The dollar was weakening and then for, for the war, it started strengthening again. And, and that's because, you know, they're still happy using US treasuries for liquidity using your money. But the foreign central banks are saying, no, I'm doing that less and less and less. And so that's the managed transition. So you started to see Japan put up its rates. So now Japanese people can lend to their own government and get a good yield. The British yields are going insane, so you can now get 6% on the UK. Cayman Island is FIC, basically.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  And what are they going to do to roll over this debt? Well, they're going to roll it over on the Americans and they need to just keep making sure the government ends up with all the debt, stock market ends up with all the, all the value. And if the system breaks, then the Fed steps in, socialize losses, privatize gains, massive wealth transfer. And if for some reason, the treasuries are no longer liquid, I think, I, I think I said this last time, here's the key matrix to look for. This Ponzi scheme continues for as long as the growth rate on the US economy, i.e. you take gross domestic product, the value of all the, the value in, in America.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  If it's growing at a faster rate, let's say it's growing at about 5% right now than the average cost on the debt, let me slow that down a bit. So right now, if you take that whole $40 trillion of US debt, the average interest rate is currently 3.3%. But every time they roll over, it's going up, it's going up, it's going up. And so once those are on par, and if the average cost on the debt supersedes the growth rate of America, that's when the system can no longer sustain itself. And that's when they would be managing a transition. So right now, you've got 3.3% if we get a 5% growth rate. So, so what is, what is all of the policy in fiscal dominance?

• 28:44Speaker 01

  It's grow at all costs. Sacrifice the dollar as world reserve currency if you need to forget about redistribution of wealth, paying down debt. Just fund, you know, the biggest deficit you can possibly and just spend it on data centers and do another, you know, and, and hopefully the growth gets there. Now, if all the growth is concentrated in more and more centralized hands, then the politician's job is just to get rich in the process and say, I don't care, pass on the potato. Whether it's you, JD Vans, or whether it's you Democrats, you know, Trump's made all his money, he doesn't care. And so he just gets to get rich in the process.

• 29:24Tom Bilyeu?

  That's wild. That is a very distressing punchline to that story. Okay, so talk to me about, put a capstone on that section. So who are going to be the multipolars? It's BRICS, which includes China, Russia. It's some sort of weird conglomeration in the Middle East, maybe with a little Africa thrown in for good measure. It's the US and South America, but is Canada becoming part of Europe? Europe's its own thing? Like, who's really going to be on the chessboard here?

• 29:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, the, these are the interesting ones. So if MIC can't profit from the Middle East and forever war, it needs a new home. And I think that home is Europe. So.

• 30:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Damn, are you talking Russia, Ukraine? Or are you talking Russia expands into Europe?

• 30:14Speaker 01

  Record investment is going into building European MIC nodes at the moment.

• 30:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Because who, the MIC wants a war or the MIC expects a war?

• 30:27Speaker 01

  So if you're, if you're an executive on a MIC company and you answer to the board, you can't lose revenue. So you need, the, the optimum portfolio for a MIC company is you've got some defense, i.e. Saudi paying off the mob not to take down their country in the Middle East. It's, it's a protection racket. You want some forever wars that never stop. And then if you can, you have to compensate the FIC by if they ever want peace, you know, they, they need a new home. So if you say, if the mix, if the FIC says, we're going to build like global financial

• 31:07Speaker 01

  centers and we benefit from regional stability in the Middle East, the forever war is over, then MIC will say, well, what are you going to give us? And so at that point, you get covert operations to ensure that NATO, who are effectively the front company for profiting from wars, you make Europe increase.

• 31:30Tom Bilyeu?

  That's a bold statement.

• 31:32Speaker 01

  These are not defense packs.

• 31:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  These are ensure that the revenue from war continues.

• 31:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Jesus.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  Yes. Suddenly you get a little bit of a theatrical war between Zelensky and Trump and Europe and America. Europe and America, you know.

• 31:48Tom Bilyeu?

  A political war or you're talking bang, bang?

• 31:51Speaker 01

  Oh, definitely not a physical war. No, I don't, I don't, that would be, that would surprise me.

• 31:56Tom Bilyeu?

  I was gonna say.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  But Europe and America distancing themselves more and more and more, an independent MIC being built like the.

• 32:06Tom Bilyeu?

  In Europe.

• 32:07Speaker 01

  In Europe. So Germany is shutting down their car manufacturing factories, Volkswagen, and suddenly we're getting a new German IPO for military equipment. The Norwegian Sovereign Wealth Fund owns 50% of a MIC within Norway. You're seeing Sweden, Finland, Denmark, optimum narratives. You're seeing US bases being negotiated in Denmark around Greenland.

• 32:33Tom Bilyeu?

  We're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead, so don't go anywhere.

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• 34:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action. And you don't see this as people going, yo, this Putin guy is getting a little out of pocket. We've got to be ready. You see this as Mick, like behind the scenes, all right, bitches, it's game on.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, so Russia is genuinely resisting against Mick. And Mick is-

• 34:25Tom Bilyeu?

  It's own Mick or European-

• 34:27Speaker 01

  No, not his own Mick, the European, American, global, Western hosted Mick.

• 34:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  They're genuinely resisting against that.

• 34:36Tom Bilyeu?

  So you don't see Russia as the aggressor? You see Russia as more defensive?

• 34:41Speaker 01

  No, Russia is, Russia is an aggressor. I don't want to paint this as like, you know,

• 34:48Speaker 01

  but there's a, there's a marriage of convenience here. So there's the elites within the Mick of Russia. There's a bit of a nationalist, we've got our own energy so they can represent their own country more. America doesn't have any nationalized energy. It's all private companies in the global FIC. They're cashing in. Oil companies are making a lot of money out of these wars. Anyone that's lending money is making shitloads of money out of these wars. So it's a transfer from those that are borrowing to those that are lending.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  And those that produce energy from those that need energy. That's the transfer we're witnessing right now. Now, those factions of power can have this continue for as, as long as they want. So what do you do? Well, you give new, new contracts domestically. So you're seeing a lot of domestic terrorism, that type of stuff, a lot of narratives around that. Because that helps the new profits from the police and surveillance state turn everyone into a subscription, you know, model through AI. It is one goal that they may look at on their balance sheet. If the deep state elements can continue to make sure that there's continual aggression against, with Putin and Russia. There's way more money to be printed.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  There's new mix that can be set up across Europe. There's new public offerings. Everything's happening across Europe right now. It's becoming vastly more militarized. You use NATO to say, you know, you spend 5% of your GDP on military now rather than 2%. That's a nice stock market stimulus. You know, so you need a little bit of narrative where Trump pretends, oh, we're subsidizing you. So therefore you need to spend more. And they're like, well, yeah, we need more independence.

• 36:35Tom Bilyeu?

  And you think that's bullshit? That's just story?

• 36:38Speaker 01

  Europe and America don't necessarily like each other. They're historical allies, but you know, think back, Europe is now, you know, Europe is now subordinate to this European Central Bank, European Union unelected structure. And NATO is just a mechanism for, you know, pushing Mick profits. And I don't think Europe, you know, you, you, whenever the Mick wants to set up a game, they always want strategic tension between competing ideologies. So you make Europe look more socialist, more, you know, you, you create a communist narrative. And then you're saying, well, we're the capitalists.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  And those types of games through media manipulation, you know, create the perfect, you know, distract people from how power really works type of narrative. So you're seeing more and more Europeans hate Americans, more and more Americans think that Europeans are just socialist, you know, crazies and, and, you know, the governments are just implementing ridiculous policies around their energy. And they're just getting worse and worse. But Europe, I think, is where you continually want a state of Putin's about to invade us.

• 37:54Tom Bilyeu?

  If I'm Mick.

• 37:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you're Mick, you want to keep that going for as long as you can. I reckon there's more years in that.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  You also need a new home because the Palestinian laboratory and the African laboratory, if you can't influence those anymore, that's where you test all your equipment. You need a new home, which is Central and South America. So we're seeing a massive reemergence of countries being more aligned with Western Mick interests and tick interests as well. You're seeing, Brazil is kind of a little bit of an outlier right now, but the rest of Central, South America is-

• 38:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Why do you say that? So Bolsonaro Flavio, Bolsonaro just won the first round. So that feels like a swing to the right, more alignment with the West.

• 38:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Do you see something there I don't?

• 38:45Speaker 01

  Well, they're still in BRICS. And so, you know, they're, and they're, they're cashing in on a lot of energy. So it's whenever, whenever you want alignment with the West, you normally want a dictator and no democracy. So it's not like you're trying to, because then you can control a corrupt, small elite, you know? And then if they don't comply, it's a lot easier to regime change. It's a lot easier to put someone corrupt in and then they can use their resources for you and not the people of the country.

• 39:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, okay.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  So it's the opposite of what, you know, they don't want democracies, democracies are harder, you know, to deal with. Because then you've got to do color revolutions, covert operations and, and you've got to deal with a lot more. If you can get a dictator and a lot more tighter control structure, then it's easier to do your economic warfare with them. And then you can persuade them to just keep printing their currency, create inflation.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  You know, and, and remember, we were talking about this with Iran because the IRGC demands dollars. You know, they're somewhat immune, they demand yen and dollars. But the Iranian government and Iranian people, their, their savings are being destroyed. So when you attack the currency, the elite structure within Iran are insulated. Because as long as China keeps buying their oil and it goes through the UAE, Turkey, Egypt, Hong Kong, you know, structures where they've got commodities convertible into yuan. And what they tend to be doing is, I talked about Aman.

• 40:19Speaker 01

  They seem to be concentrating a lot of Iran's dollar laundering or sanction circumvention into Aman. Because Aman seems to be that node between these different power structures, between FIC, China and the Gulf countries. And so you're seeing, like you saw Turkey banks getting sanctioned, you saw an Egyptian bank get sanctioned, but you're not hearing anything from Aman. And all the, the, the dollars are still flowing via Aman through the Aman Central Bank and the, and the Iranian Central Bank.

• 40:55Tom Bilyeu?

  What do you think the US, Mick, FIC, Tick, Trump, whoever it is, got out of moving on Iran?

• 41:01Speaker 01

  The same thing Trump got out of tariffs, split the world up into multipolarity.

• 41:08Tom Bilyeu?

  So he's driving the Mick, FIC, Tick. I know you don't, just calling it the US is not satisfactory, but he's driving a known agenda to usher in multipolarity.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  His incentive structure is to do what his lobby ask him to do or want him to do. In a competing environment, it's not straightforward as that. But if you look at Trump's now coming up to midterm elections. Two years ago, he took on a bunch of money to become president and defeat the Biden administration. That was funded by Elon Musk, a tick node.

• 41:47Speaker 01

  The Mellon Banking family, a FIC node, the second largest. And Mary Medelston connected to Israel, so a Mick node, a Mick and Tick node. You know, Israel is a Mick jurisdiction, I'd say, because the state is still, they're about to do a public, public offering for all of their military companies, which implies to me that Israel's being privatized. Because the state currently controls the biggest military companies. Albea Systems on NASDAQ and Israel's stock exchange. But then also you've got to look at the covert funding with Trump, which is, a lot of attention's coming to it now. There's the affinity partners, which is his fund that's funded by the Gulf countries to the tune of about $5 billion.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  And one of their big investments is in the Phoenix Pension Fund, which owns a lot of the Israeli military companies as well via the state. So, so Trump's got covert beneficiary shareholdings via these structures. And so to me, what do the Gulf want? Well, Israel need more war. That's their entire jig. If you stop funding Israel for war, their entire economy is just completely different. So FIC seems to be privatizing a lot of the Mick in Israel. The Gulf countries who were normalized via China with Iran, they want a couple of things.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  They want Iran to stop funding their militia groups, which are circling their Gulf countries. They want to continue their relationship with FIC because the sovereign wealth funds are partnered with all the deals with FIC. Like they're the most important investors in many of the equity deals and AI deals that are happening. They're the lot, the larger shareholder in many of those deals. And they want Iran to be integrated into a regional order. And then they set up their own regional defense packs, but still manage their relationship with China and the FIC. So this war is achieving that goal for them. So Trump, if you look at all his funders, the TIC wants a global surveillance state.

• 43:55Speaker 01

  The MIC wants, I believe, sorry, the FIC, I believe, wants multipolarity, go different, different financial centers.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  The MIC wants more war, which is why Israel's bargaining and trying to get more aggression and more war. And the Gulf countries want a contained Iran with new security agreements that aren't dependent upon hosting US surveillance and military bases. And so I think the Gulf is pushing for that. Trump's complying, Iran is resisting hard. Iran, I do believe, has given up a lot of its previous strategy. And eventually via China will be integrated into the regional order. It may take a couple of years. I thought it would be a lot quicker.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  But these are big negotiations, these are big drastic changes in the world. And in a lot of the groups that Iran historically funded, they're kind of integrating into state power in their regions, whether it be Lebanon, whether it be Yemen, whether it be Iraq. And so now we saw in Iraq and Syria,

• 45:07Speaker 01

  the president that used to be a member of ISIS is now kind of trying to achieve regional stability in Syria for the Gulf countries and Turkey. And when, when there was that change of leadership, when Assad left, it was, it was too easy. There's no way that, you know, it, it was so easy that it means that Russia, Iran, China,

• 45:32Speaker 01

  they allowed, I think, that to happen. Now, that's the key important part because Syria is the route to get like a lot of the weapons and funding over to Hezbollah in Lebanon. And now you've got Israel kind of aggressively targeting Lebanon at the moment.

• 45:51Speaker 01

  And Iran negotiating its own position into the regional order. So I'm very, very excited around what multipolarity creates for the world. I think competition is something that we should all believe in. I think the global hegemon was incredibly destructive for many countries in the world.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  And, you know, so to me,

• 46:18Tom Bilyeu?

  You don't think it brings more war?

• 46:21Speaker 01

  The global hegemon brings more war, absolutely, yeah.

• 46:23Tom Bilyeu?

  The global hegemon?

• 46:24Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 46:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Interesting.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  I think,

• 46:27Tom Bilyeu?

  So the regional powers will hold each other in dynamic tension or?

• 46:30Speaker 01

  That's my, that's my theory. I, I think, I think the regional orders with a very large manufacturing base in China, MIC, FIC and TIC with their Western Hemisphere strategy, new energy and trade routes across different countries in regional blocks. With this codependency between China and America in their AI control grid.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  I think it's going to be, if, if people can navigate that down at the micro level, you've got to understand what this change is, decide whether you think this is true or BS.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  And then you've got to, you know, I, I tried to say, to me, I don't influence geopolitics, I don't influence macro, I've got no relevance and nothing I say is going to change any of this. You know, world leaders are the ones that are able to, and corporate leaders, you know, I'm not in those power structures, I'm not in those networks. So my job, I think, is to understand what's happening on the geopolitical level.

• 47:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Your job is an investor, you mean?

• 47:40Speaker 01

  My job as somebody that cares about remaining as sovereign as I can as a human.

• 47:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Own things, control your money, not be on the surveillance grid, like what makes you sovereign?

• 47:52Speaker 01

  Okay, well now, now we're getting down to what I was trying to say. Understand the macro side, the, the money tells you what's happening in reality. Forget what the politicians are saying, forget the media propaganda, follow the different markets and money and you can see what's happening in the world. And then geopolitics, a bit more nuanced, I could be wrong about some of these things, but understand that there's, there's a major change and we control none of it, none of it. What we do control is ourself, and I think this is your message as well. You know, you, you as an individual, I, I always like to think, where, where is your jurisdiction? What are the things you control in, in this? And, and I think the first thing you control is you as a person, what, what is, what is you as a person?

• 48:37Speaker 01

  I mean, I call it mind, you know, what, what, what do you think's happening in the world? How are you interpreting that? How do you allow this to impact you? Is, one, one way I like to describe it is I think when we are dominated by algorithms and news and we can't see beyond

• 48:57Speaker 01

  the acceptable narratives of left and right divides and Europe versus America and communism versus capital. All of that is, I think, a psyop you need to delete from your mind.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  And you need to get beyond the divisive stuff and you need to get to the point where you think, is what I think, you know,

• 49:20Speaker 01

  was this installed in my brain as a default mind or ideology? Or did I actually think about this and come up with that? So I, I think people should spend a lot of time on that. I think the mind is the most important thing. Obviously you need a body and soul, spirit. So, you know, your spirit, that's you, that's what you control. You control your mind, you control your body, you control your spirit. From there, you need to think about what's the best way of navigating it. Well, this is what's happening in geopolitics, this is what's happening in macro. How do I become an asset owner? Well, simple, it's actually very simple, but actually very hard. The most simple rule in finance, spend less than you earn, invest the difference in assets.

• 50:05Speaker 01

  What have you got to do to get there? That's not you telling me, I can't afford it, I'm, I'm priced out, I've got all this debt, I've got no money left over. Well, that has a consequence and that consequence is you are most likely going to be on a universal basic income in, in that set of the world. And most people will be there. But if you become conscious of this,

• 50:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Are we talking like gated communities, like the hoi polloi, just stay away? And the people that got into assets, like, what do you, when you talk about this, what do you imagine in your head? Is it like Elysium? Like, where are you at with this?

• 50:42Speaker 01

  I think you have

• 50:45Speaker 01

  an income that's paid to you in programmable money.

• 50:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  With a social credit score.

• 50:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Which means I'm completely controlled.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  That is integrated into MIC, FIC and TIC. And if you comply, you'll be happy, you'll learn nothing and be happy. You'll learn your stablecoin, it will make you, it will give you enough to not be a threat to the system. And if you become a threat to the system, the global control grid will kick in.

• 51:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, so do people, do people that want to remain sovereign become targets?

• 51:17Speaker 01

  Now, people that want to remain sovereign, and you've got a couple of choices, and this is a bit of the art. So I said, spend less than you earn, invest the difference in assets. Those assets have to be every single month from this month. Okay, if you're deep in debt and you cannot find any $100 to invest in assets, then up to you, consequences, not financial advice, but you need to stop paying your debt and you need to start investing in assets. Today, this month, $100 a month. And you need to continue that for the rest of your life. Now, in order to do that, you need a mindset that believes that the future is bright. And I probably spent the last hour and a half depressing you, okay?

• 52:01Speaker 01

  So I said, I need to see the world as it is in order to navigate this, because then I can understand the rules. But I need to be radically optimistic about my ability to manage this. And the simple rules is spend less than you earn and invest the difference in assets. Now, are you going to get the wrong assets? Are you going to be, are you spending on debt? Whatever you have to do, there's no choice. This is the world as it is today and you either win this game or you lose this game. And you might be okay with losing, but this is what you have to do to win it. Your assets every single month, and if you're going to do that for the rest of your life, you'll be fine.

• 52:37Speaker 01

  This is a change in empire. This is, as I said, sometimes I look at things and I'm, it's like a yin and a yang, right? I see this global control grid and I see the best opportunity, the most exciting things that, you know, that we're able to perform, that I've never been able to perform before in terms of that. You need to get very excited about that and your ability to navigate it. And you need to keep an eye on what they're actually, what the big agenda of MIC, FIC and TIC actually is there. So then you start thinking about yourself, well, firstly, am I becoming more sovereign? Well, financial subordination is really, you know, how, you, you've got to escape that. That may take time, it may take a long-term plan.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  But as long as every month you're getting better on that. Then you start thinking about, well, how do I, as I get wealth, how do I hold my wealth? Do I hold it in assets outside the system? Cash gets inflated away, but I can hold it in a safe. Gold, most people end up holding it with the FIC and a paper version of gold. Or they end up knowing how to secure it and digging, you know, in the trenches in a farm. Maybe you can live that sovereign kind of life, not, most people can't. But maybe you can figure out a community and a, and a farm and digging some gold every month. Most people won't be able to do that. Bitcoin's a way of doing it. What does FIC want you to do? They'd much rather you own the Bitcoin ETF with them than own your own key.

• 54:08Speaker 01

  How do you resist the control grid? Well, you need to own your own key. So isn't it probably a good idea? And I'm not talking about whether you buy Bitcoin or not. I personally think it's a good thing to learn. Because when you store your own keys, you're storing wealth outside the system. If you can store your own key and store wealth outside the system, you can do that with your identity, with your social data, with your artificial intelligence. You can start investing in having your own L L M's running on your local environment. It's, it's a lifetime, this is going to take you a long time. It's not quick cryptocurrency, 1,000x return, you solved all your problems. You know, they, they, you need to have that belief in a, in a long-term future there.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  And then you gradually become more and more sovereign with your wealth, your data.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  And at the very least, if you can beat this, you either end up joining the incentive structure of the elite, which many people will be happy doing, or you end up with wealth outside the system, data outside the system, and resisting against the system. And even if everything happens, which I think is somewhat of inevitability in this, you can just carve out your little corner of the digital world, and you can become as sovereign as you can. And you can become sovereign mind, sovereign spirit, sovereign soul, and keep yourself healthy, because you're gonna need, you're gonna need a lot to navigate through this. And what I like to say is that do that every month. Every month, you're either becoming

• 55:41Speaker 01

  more sovereign or more subordinate. You're either becoming wealthier or poorer. You're either making better decisions or worse decisions. You're either getting, your mind is either becoming more controlled. And this is what fears me. What I'm seeing the most is, when I look at people today, I see a lot of people that think, and they're convicted behind an ideology that was installed in them like an operating system that they've never thought about. Did I come up with that? Or was I installed that? And they're radicalizing those algorithms to make you the most radical version of yourself. And people are getting really, really radicalized, because this, you know, it's like your phone, right? Ying

• 56:22Speaker 01

  and yang. Your phone, it could be the biggest psyop that's ever happened, at the same time as the biggest opportunity for you that's ever happened. And that is the world as it is today. And that's what you need to navigate. I don't think we're gonna change the world. I think you've just got to figure out, you know, where you fit within that and how you're gonna deal with that.

• 56:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Do you think there's a theatrical crisis coming?

• 56:44Speaker 01

  There will always be another crisis, because that's how you socialize losses and privatize gains. I think there are several that I could even identify. In this game between China, McFick and Dick, you've got China that owns all the commodities without paper. You've got the West that has lots of paper and no commodities. So the commodities to back all of these FIC instruments like gold doesn't exist. You know, they have to borrow it from a central bank if there's ever, if anyone ever finds that out. So the commodities market, there's a bit of a rug pull that could happen if you want to socialize losses, privatize gains. Currency markets, you can just weaken the dollar if FIC want to manage

• 57:26Speaker 01

  capital outflows, force the Fed to intervene. I think you can see the stock market trade, the AI trades, you know, China having this significantly cheaper, more efficient model than the subscription frontier models with these massive valuations that have been monetized 20 years into the future. You could rug the stock market there if you wanted. I think it would recover, but it could have a massive correction, which would lead to socialized losses, privatized gains, stress in the private credit market, Federal Reserve intervention, and stick it all on the government debt. Government debt up to 50 trillion, whatever

• 58:07Speaker 01

  it needs to be. And the bond market is already exerting that stress. The FIC are demanding much higher rates, which is pushing the average cost on the debt closer to the growth rate. So as long as they can use that debt to push higher growth, which means more K-shaped economy, which means more centralization and concentration. If they want to reverse that, then, you know, you could engineer a stock market crash. You could get the Fed to come in and buy all those bonds to try and get, even the Treasury is intervening right now. They're buying these long-term bonds, and then refinancing it on shorter-term

• 58:47Speaker 01

  bonds, which just means you can take, you know, 5.3% and try and refinance it at like 4.5%, but then you've got to keep rolling over every month. You know, and that's what the Treasury is doing right now. So if the banks won't buy it, the government's buying it, and the government is selling that to the banks.

• 59:08Tom Bilyeu?

  But the way to simplify all of that is be prepared for socialized losses and privatized gains. If you're set up in a way where something happens that leads to that scenario, if you're okay, you're in better shape than the average person.

• 59:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's quite simple. Where are you storing your value every month? You're either putting some of it in gold, some of it into stocks. Those stocks could be US stocks, they could be emerging markets, whatever you're doing. And then there's money outside the system. It could be Bitcoin, it could be, you know, other things. If all you're doing is you're doing that every single month, you're gonna beat the system. You're gonna be on the right side of this K. And as long as you're adding to that every single month. Now, what they want you to believe is with crisis, it creates a bit of emergency, and fear is the biggest, you know, mechanism of subordination. If you're scared, then you make short-term decisions. When you make short-term decisions, they tend to be your

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  worst decisions. If you believe that there's a bright future, intergenerational, you're bringing children in the world and you think they've got a bright future, you know that, yes, the world is changing. No one really knows. But we are but a speck in the entire civilization or history of humankind. And if you look at the entire history, empires have risen, empires have fallen, things get corrupt, things get rebuilt. And isn't it, you either got to fear that, or you've got to be excited about what opportunities. And isn't it great if maybe in our lifetime, for the first time, we're gonna be able to see Africans build their own factories and use their own resources and be an important

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  part of the ecosystem? We might see the forever war end in the Middle East. If I see the forever war end in my lifetime, I think it would be just an amazing thing to experience. We're gonna see these incredible productivity gains and, you know, this police and surveillance state. But at the same time, we've got a digital resistance. You know, we proved it in the financial side. I got into Bitcoin as a digital resistance against the FIC. Now, they're co-opting a lot of it. They're doing what they can, but I still get to own my money, spend my money, and have a monetary policy that I think's gonna be able to beat

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  the system over the long term. Look, it's ying and yang. And really, this is, use this information, but think about what you control. You control yourself. Once you've got yourself, be a shining example for your family. Protect your family. Protect your home. Protect your community. Once you go beyond community, it's kind of city, municipal, country, universe, it gets less and less out of your control. So use all of that to try and understand what real power is doing. And then put together a game plan and just, you know, try and get

• 1:02:11Speaker 01

  that balance right between making sure you're on the right side and help as many people get on the right side of this, too.

• 1:02:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Brother, every time I get to sit down with you, it is a wild ride. Where can people follow along with you?

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  So I post regularly on X, at Simon Dixon Twit. I go live every Friday on YouTube, Simon Dixon 21. And I've created a more decentralized, self-hosted environment on simon Dixon dot com in case, in case any of my centrally controlled channels no longer allow me to say what I want to say.

• 1:02:46Tom Bilyeu?

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