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• 1:00Speaker 02

  You have to jump over to Ukraine where right now it seems that Trump might have done something petty.

• 1:05Speaker 03

  So there's a lot about this that we don't know, but rumors are flying that Trump is using Elon to wage a secret war against Zelensky and Ukraine, which is calling into question, where are Trump's allegiances? Is he going to bat for Russia? Like, what is this? So Trump has made absolutely no secret about the fact that he thinks Zelensky needs to be replaced, that he thinks Zelensky is never going to agree to any sort of peace deal. He's not a dealmaker. He's not somebody that we can work with. So Trump's just been way too naked about that. And what just happened is SpaceX apparently put a speed limit on Starlink last night, and it threw a major wrench in Ukraine's attack plans on Russia. Now, there's a wrinkle in this story that we're going to get to. It's actually pretty wild, and I didn't know about it before researching this.

• 1:50Speaker 03

  But before we get to that, so Zelensky's advisor on defense technology confirmed that the speed limit did indeed hap- did indeed happen. And any Starshield terminal, which is the military package in Starlink's fleet of satellites, said basically it's been updated now. So anything moving faster than 100 miles per hour is going to lose connection. Now, Starlink has not commented. SpaceX has not commented. So we don't know for sure what happened. But the question is, why would this happen? Now, it happened without warning, so that's the part that Ukraine is really upset about. And because of the change, several Ukrainian attack missions failed mid-flight. Reuters reported that Ukraine was forced to cancel drone operations outright,

• 2:34Speaker 03

  and that drones were dropping their link for up to 20 seconds even at speeds as low as 68 miles per hour. So that begs the question, then what is the real speed limit? Because if things at 68 miles per hour are losing connection, clearly it's not just 100 miles per hour. And then ultimately, what's the goal of the change if this was indeed intentional? Now, given that things less than 100 miles an hour were losing connectivity, was this on purpose? Was this a technical glitch? What happened? And by the way, all of this is happening on the Ukrainian side while Russia is still able to attack and hit Ukraine. And if you remember, a couple of days ago, we were talking about, hey, Trump announced that there was an energy ceasefire.

• 3:16Speaker 03

  But through all of that, Russia's just kept hitting the energy infrastructure of Ukraine. And now it seems like Ukraine obviously is like, okay, well, this isn't real, so we're going to start hitting back. And so I've seen reports that they did, in fact, strike back overnight. But I don't know how much credence to give those reports, given that Ukraine itself is complaining that they were losing a bunch of the connectivity. So I don't know if it was some made it through and others didn't, or what the real story is going to be in the fullness of time. But what we do know is obviously the satellites didn't change. So every Starlink dish knows its own speed from GPS, and SpaceX had written a rule. And it was basically if things are too fast, then you're not going to get a signal. And it's the same switch that keeps Starlink dark inside of Russia.

• 4:01Speaker 03

  And a terminal doing 100 miles an hour, um, basically is, is going to get dropped on either side. So is it just that Russia's found its way around this or what? That's the, the big question. Now, the fascinating thing, the part that I didn't know about this, is that the speed limit was actually originally put in place by Ukraine. So they had requested this. So the whole thing was that, uh, this was back in February at Ukraine's request. Russian forces were basically strapping Starlink terminals onto BM35 strike drones and Shaheds to extend their range. And Ukraine's defense minister directly asked SpaceX to shut them down. And then SpaceX responded with this speed cap that we're talking about right now. Now, they had given exceptions to things on the Ukrainian side.

• 4:46Speaker 03

  So my guess at this point is that that's what ended up breaking down. They're like, hey, we weren't being affected by this speed limit. You guys were carving out certain things for us. And now that carve out seems to be the thing that was broken. Again, so much of this stuff is rumor. This is a live situation developing. We'll find out in the coming days, especially once SpaceX finally actually gives an answer to what's going on here. Man, the fact that this is coming on the back of Trump's most recent expressed, nakedly expressed frustrations with Zelensky and Ukraine, it is all pretty suspect. Now, on the Ukrainian side, you've got the, um, the weapons advisor saying that this just can't be a coincidence.

• 5:29Speaker 03

  I agree, it seems pretty unlikely that this just happened randomly. Uh, but we haven't heard anything from the Trump administration yet on that side. Now, how are people gonna feel if Trump is coming down on the side of Russia? That is a very big question, man. Nobody, not even Trump, has denied that Russia has been the aggressor here. And this is the absolutely fascinating part about war, is everybody cares about, uh, you know, what side is right and wrong until it starts hitting their gas prices. And then all of a sudden, people are like, oh, actually, what I care about is how much I'm paying at the pump. Man, it's pretty wild. It's pretty wild. Remember, Russia invaded Ukraine. They are trying to annex territory in Ukraine.

• 6:11Speaker 03

  Whether or not you believe that they're trying to access that, uh, territory because the US kept encroaching on their border, which I think is a pretty reasonable read, or just that Putin is trying to reassemble the USSR, which I also think is a pretty credible read, it doesn't really matter. A sovereign nation was invaded by another nation, and they are trying to take that territory. And so whatever point Putin was trying to make about, hey, don't fucking bring the NATO border right up to my border, I'm going to feel some type of way. It's like that point has been made. And we, um, looked this up on Monday. The Ukraine-Russia conflict has now been going on longer than World War I. So at this point, it's just-

• 6:54Speaker 02

  It's unbelievable stat. Like, I feel like we don't acknowledge that enough.

• 6:57Speaker 03

  It's insane. So, uh, yeah, this is where I will remind everybody, there is no international, uh, court. There's no international laws. There is only, we won, we're now in control. Uh, and if we want to put you on trial, we'll put you on trial. But ultimately, you first have to win the war. That's just the, the hard reality to be faced. And so now this is getting muddy. If, it's a big if, if this was done on purpose to send a message to Ukraine or to weaken them in some way, or send a message to Europe and Ukraine, I mean, all of this stuff gets pretty messy. If you are now removing sanctions on Russian oil, putting money back in their economy, which they will guaranteed use to continue fighting the war against Ukraine,

• 7:41Speaker 03

  and now the carve outs that you originally had for Ukrainian technology to make sure that they were able to stand up for themselves, you at least temporarily disabled that without warning, is that going to end the conflict? So that becomes a question. And if it is going to end the conflict, it's going to end the conflict by weakening the guy that's trying to stand up for their own sovereign nation. That is the wild part of all of this. Now, listen, I agree, at some point, Ukraine has to say, I just don't want more people to die. And so if I have to peel off a part of the country, so be it. I mean, you can make these demands that people do all the time. But it is pretty shitty to look at the little guy who got invaded and be like, yeah, you need to stop fighting now because it's fucking up my oil and my peace prize. So, yeah, shit is wild.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  Amen.

• 8:27Speaker 03

  So gross. I really hate this part of-

• 8:28Speaker 02

  I feel like there's not an equivalent there, because on Monday, we were talking about the Palestinians. And you were just like, they just need to sit down and give it up and just realize that this religious war is not profitable.

• 8:36Speaker 03

  Okay, so now you want, are you asking me to square that circle?

• 8:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, because I feel like that's a compatible as to Ukraine, right?

• 8:43Speaker 03

  Let me aggressively square that circle. So first of all, if Ukraine wants to keep fighting, I think that that's a decision they're going to get to make. There are realities about who's going to supply them with weapons and all that stuff at some point. Uh, but yeah, if Ukraine wants to keep fighting, I completely understand. If I'm going to advise them though, my advice would be, guys, at some point, you've got to start orienting towards the future. So they're going to have to run calculus. If we, um, say, okay, here are the lines that we're going to draw, we want peace. Uh, and they believe that doing so will just embolden Putin and he's just going to attack again? I get it. I get why you might see that this is an existential fight, you have to keep fighting. Now, ultimately, what I would say to any nation is you need to be thinking about your kids. What's going to be better for them?

• 9:27Speaker 03

  And if fighting now and dying now, uh, more and more and more, and dude, there, there are, uh, I don't know how verified these reports are, but there are supposedly Sinaloan cartel members that are fighting on behalf of Ukraine. You're not in good shape when you're going out and getting drug lords to come and fight for you, who, by the way, are going to take that training back to Mexico. That, let us not frack along to that. But clearly, they're not in the best of shape. Uh, so they need to be very thoughtful about what's going to be better for their citizens moving forward. It's a very difficult game. When I go and look at the, um, the conflict between Israel and Palestine,

• 10:08Speaker 03

  that one is never-ending madness that has to do with psychology and psychology alone. They've rejected a two-state solution for god knows how long. Uh, they almost certainly should have taken it a long time ago, but they didn't, whatever. We are where we are. Okay, so now, given where we are at, how much do you want to ask your children to suffer so that Israel will cease to exist, which really does seem to be the motivating factor? When I go, oh, they really want Israel to just not exist anymore as a country? Um, that's where I'm like, wow, that is going to be a very big ask. They are far stronger than you from a military perspective. And your only hope is something that will almost certainly take decades and decades to play out,

• 10:51Speaker 03

  where you hope that the international community isolates them, that then some force invades them and ends up stopping their ability to protect their own borders. And so that's one where I'm like, okay, this kind of, um, thing has happened before where you, you have lost. Ukraine hasn't lost yet, but- Palestine has lost. They can do terror-esque strikes to get at the heart of the enemy and to basically kick the hornet's nest, but militarily, I don't think anybody in their right mind thinks that Palestine has a chance of winning. So now, in the same way that I think Cyprus was very wise

• 11:34Speaker 03

  to say, okay, they just stole half of our island, Turkey. We're not going to wage a 50-year war over this. We are going to focus on our economy. And they're through political means, they're trying to get somebody to tell Turkey still 50 years later to get the fuck out. But basically, that's a non-entity. But what they're not doing is waging countless years of war over it and, you know, doing terroristic attacks on the northern part of the island. And because of that, Cyprus has been able to build up an economy and raise multiple generations that think about their future. And it's, I've been there. It's a lovely country that is doing its best to continue to

• 12:16Speaker 03

  grow its economy and, you know, join the rest of the world. So that seems a far wiser approach when you know from a military perspective, you cannot win, to say, we're going to be forward-facing. And so that would be my advice to the Palestinian people is when you get billions of dollars flowing into your country in international aid, because people want to see you succeed, focus on economics. If you think you have a shot to win militarily, yeah, go for it. But if you don't, like, god damn, what are you doing?

• 12:49Speaker 02

  So then from that standpoint, until Ukraine lose, like, loss, loses by whatever definition we can come up with, that's when it's then time for them to say, okay, we should back off, let Russia have these territories, or is there?

• 13:02Speaker 03

  If, like, imagine for a second that this is an obvious military victory for Russia, there is-

• 13:09Speaker 02

  Like, just let's define that, because I don't know what obvious military, like, what do you mean by that?

• 13:13Speaker 03

  Well, an easy example is Israel-Palestine. So they killed 1,200, and then they lost whatever, 75,000.

• 13:21Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 13:21Speaker 03

  You do not-

• 13:22Speaker 02

  Just the numbers on the board.

• 13:24Speaker 03

  There's like 80% of all buildings in Gaza have been damaged. 80%! Kids, you've lost.

• 13:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:30Speaker 03

  And so now, at this point, your only hope is to continue to be an underground insurgency. And at some point, unless they believe, if you're Palestine, the only base assumption that would make sense to me is if you believe, no, no, no, they're just going to keep taking over territory in Gaza until we're all gone. And so this is an existential fight. If you really believe that, then of course, they're going to continue to act the way that they're acting. Given the way that they have spent the billions of dollars of aid that flowed into their country, they are behaving like a country who believes that they are doing God's work and that their goal is to, from the river to the sea, given, meaning that it's going to be one state, that it's going to be

• 14:12Speaker 03

  an Arab-majority country, and that ultimately is what they're fighting for, is the eradication of the Jewish state. That's where I'm just like, oh, man, this seems a very unwise way to approach this, given how many generations you've already lost, meaning that their sole focus is that battle, rather than building a hopeful economic future where people are getting educated, they're innovating in their country, they are increasing the quality of their life. For 80 years, they have not increased the quality of life for their people. And so that's where I'm like, at some point, this is just a nonsensical way forward. And so many politicians have spilled ink over the fact that, like, oh, my god, we were so close to getting a deal, it would have been so good for their people

• 14:57Speaker 03

  to have their own state, and then they could have, like, gained credibility on the international stage, they could have built, you know, the country into something that would be a wonderful place that people want to live, that kids have hope for their future, and they're not thinking about wiping out another state. Like, imagine if every American were absolutely obsessed, willing to die, and were dying constantly, because we just got to get rid of Canada. It's like, Jesus, man, this is not a way to live, in my opinion. We're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead, so don't go anywhere. There's a reason Quince sells cashmere for $60, and it isn't the cashmere. It's real, 100%

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• 17:40Speaker 03

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action. The world of AI safety, it really does get worse day by day. If you guys remember Jacob Coxon, he is the most recent whistleblower that dashed out of a company with a PR agency in tow. This shit is wild. I'm pretty sure it was Coxon that referred to himself as a cliche, though that might have been the guy that came after him. But like, dude, this just keeps happening. But anyway, he's now making very bold claims, a bold claim about China. And if it is true, this would be very dangerous. Now, the bad news is, this really might be true. It is certainly plausible. Let's hear it in my man's own words, as he was recently on the show with Patrick Bet-David. Let's take a listen.

• 18:22Speaker 04

  Right now, if we just stopped, they would try and catch up. But I think one really important thing people don't realize is, China already has spies at OpenAI, at Anthropic. China has the ability to hack at any time. If we pull ahead, that doesn't give us a big lead, they can just step in and steal our progress at any time.

• 18:41Speaker 05

  You think-

• 18:42Speaker 04

  Catch up the lead.

• 18:43Speaker 05

  How certain are you they have spies already there?

• 18:45Speaker 04

  90%, yeah, definitely. It's almost certain that they have, they have-

• 18:48Speaker 03

  Here's the really bad news. I don't have any reason to doubt that. In the same way, I don't have any reason to doubt that the US has spies inside of their companies. This is what countries do all over the world. You're going to try to get any informational advantage that you can, so please don't think that I think this is some unique bad to China. I just think this is what people do. My last company, Quest Nutrition, there was corporate espionage going on at a protein bar company. So we had people from competitors that wanted to understand how we had taken the industry by storm. They didn't know what we had figured out. Now, what we had figured out was largely in manufacturing. And so they wanted to get people inside of our company to understand the equipment that we had made. And so if you've got that kind of thing happening

• 19:33Speaker 03

  inside of a protein bar company, then you can rest assured that if it really is true, that whoever wins AI wins, just wins. It is intelligence itself. And whatever country has access to the most intelligence, whether human or artificial, it doesn't matter, whatever country has access to the most intelligence really is going to be able to pull ahead of somebody else, that that level of importance, of course, is going to bring people out that want to see exactly what's going on. So this is one of those times, no matter what you think of Jacob Coxon, the reality is that he's pointing at a phenomenon that is almost certainly true, no matter what you're looking at. So if you look at a company like SpaceX, by the way, they're not allowed to hire Chinese nationals.

• 20:16Speaker 03

  I'm not allowed, I'm not sure if they're allowed to hire any foreign nationals. I don't know about that part, but I know for sure they can't hire Chinese nationals. You're looking at a government, the US, that goes, okay, we have strategically important companies inside of our country and we need to really protect them because we know that this kind of thing happens. And again, how do we know? Because we've caught people doing it, because we do it ourselves. And so all of that stuff leads us to believe that this is a very real threat that we have to be very protective against. The fact that we understand how important the AI industry is, we have heard no shortage of that come out of Trump's mouth directly. David Sacks has been very open and honest about that. We've heard a lot of people talk about the AI industry is our most important industry from an economic standpoint, for sure.

• 21:01Speaker 03

  The massive amount of debt that we have going in, the fact that the US is competing for debt buyers with the AI industry, the fact that at this point, the entire S and P 500, which by the way, just hit a new record, is entirely predicated on the success of the AI industry. The fact that intelligence itself is the race, it's basically the only thing that matters. This is the new race for nuclear weapons. So all of that said, the fact that we aren't protecting ourselves effectively from that really is something that we need to pay attention to. And so the fact that we have all these security lapses going on inside the AI industry, the fact that we can probably believe that saying there's a 90% chance

• 21:44Speaker 03

  that China has infiltrated both of these companies is pretty believable, is yet another alarm bell in the AI industry. Now, this is not something that people should be running around and panicking about, but this is absolutely something that we need to be managing. So I believe that the AI companies themselves, the entire AI industry, needs to be putting proactive protective mechanisms in place. You guys know my take on the regulatory thing that is not going to be the salvation that you want it to be. It will end up being a regulatory moat that is created by the companies. It is NGOs, it is lobbyists, it is the companies themselves that end up driving the policy. That is the very thing. When people talk about getting money out of politics, this is the very thing that they're talking about, is the regulations.

• 22:28Speaker 03

  Instead of being something that creates a safer environment, we end up creating something that creates a safer environment only for the companies that have already managed to cross over the hurdle of being able to pay for all of the regulatory things that get put in every other company's way. And so functionally, this ends up creating these gigantic cartels essentially in, it's not just technology, but that's certainly what's playing out right now. And so when you look at the S and P 500 and you see that it, all of the values aggregated to a very small number of companies, you have to start asking, to what extent is the regulatory burden allowing for that to continue? It's not only that there are massive network effects that play into all of this, but that is a big part of it.

• 23:11Speaker 03

  So we need to see proactive moves from the government, sure, from the industry itself primarily. So what do I mean by proactive versus just regulatory? I'm talking about creating environments where we can put these AI, where they have limitations, whether that's the Nvidia approach, or whether somebody else is working on something, but, which I beg and hope that they are. But that's the kind of positive proactive constraint that we have to put on this. Looking at innovation, technological solutions to stop this kind of thing from being possible, whether that's baking something into the chips themselves, whether that's baking something into

• 23:52Speaker 03

  the actual constraint mechanisms that we load the AI inside of, whether that's the adversarial setup of AI versus AI, whatever it is, but we've got to find ways to, instead of just panicking and running around like our heads on fire, instead of having a bunch of congressional meetings where it's basically people just trying to get clips for their next reelection campaign. If we really got people working with industry to say, okay, we've got to build almost military-grade protections that we can put into this industry and focus on innovation at that level, that's ultimately how we're going to get to the other side of this. Now, how do I know that's true? There's a phenomenal book that I've mentioned several times called The Rational Optimist.

• 24:36Speaker 03

  And the rational optimist said, it does not make sense to look back at 80,000 years, or 100,000 years, or 200,000 years, depending on where you start the clock, of human innovation leading to just everything improving and going, but tomorrow, this is all going to fall off a cliff. Okay, that's the human tendency to look at the unknown, to look at risks and panic. But what humans have done, literally with an unending string of successes, is walk that line between we're creating something that is dangerous, but it also offers a massive benefit. And we've actually been able to navigate that literally perfectly. So up to and including creating nuclear weapons, but still not creating Armageddon, because we find ways to walk that line.

• 25:21Speaker 03

  Now, when we put ourselves in an area where we're improving nuclear energy, for instance, look at what China's doing, then you get something that's incredibly safe and is bringing energy on far faster than we're doing in the West, and we're doing better than what Europe is doing. And so it's innovation that always leads that charge, it isn't the panic. And so we need to hear things like what Jacob Coxon is putting on the table and go, okay, cool. I see another attack vector, but that attack vector can be dealt with, rather than, oh God, like, we just got to cut off every relationship, or, you know, we've got to now start discriminating against Chinese people. Like, that's the fucking brain rot, stupid approach to all of this.

• 26:03Speaker 03

  Instead, what we need to be thinking about is what does the innovator's path out of this look like? And so putting our attention on that, I think is the right answer. Now, I don't expect people to be very excited about military spending these days. And trust me, I am hyper skeptical of that entire industry. But when I see somebody like Paul Merlucky at Androl, building the new, it's not a naval base, but it's a facility for building naval military equipment. When I see that kind of innovation and I see us looking at the potential threats that we have, a coming conflict between the US and China simply can't be ignored. And hopefully through preparation, we will be able to staunchly avoid it for all time.

• 26:47Speaker 03

  But you certainly don't get there by ignoring that the problem is there. You certainly don't get there by panicking, you get there by innovating and building. And that is finally the energy that I see in that sector, beginning to happen now, largely by the way, on the back of what happened in Russia, Ukraine, and us seeing that our old approach to warfare in the Middle East, it obviously is not working. The same needs to be applied to the AI industry. I'm getting really tired of having to interject a new, hot off the presses headline about another safety problem within the AI industry, innovate. What are the solutions? Get into a solution-oriented mindset. This is one of the things that I learned very early in my entrepreneurial career,

• 27:29Speaker 03

  is the vast majority of the time that you encounter a problem, people just shut down. And they accept defeat before they run a thought experiment that my wife and I started playing, that we called no bullshit, what would it take? So no bullshit, what would it take to protect ourselves from Chinese spies in the AI industry? No bullshit, what would it take for us to address a future style of warfare that isn't going to be handled with just aircraft carriers? No bullshit, what does it take to make sure that AI does not become some super intelligent overlord that enslaves us all, or becomes the T-1000? No bullshit, like, what do we actually have to do? The reason that we started playing that game in entrepreneurship was we found it flipped everybody into a solution-oriented mindset. And that ultimately is where we need to be, whether we're talking about populism,

• 28:14Speaker 03

  whether we're talking about the economic woes that people really have. What is the solution-oriented mindset, building up from first principles, that actually gets us out of this situation? If we can do that, we will continue to be successful. If we fail to do that, then all hell breaks loose. It all disintegrates into a bunch of fucking riots for a type of change that is aimless. And that ultimately is what we're seeing as you start looking over at what's going on in Europe. That is aimless, flailing about, communication via violence, not being able to articulate precisely what kind of change you're looking for. And you'll get people's attention when you thrash around and be violent, but you won't get the kind of change that you're looking for. And again, how do I know that?

• 28:59Speaker 03

  France has a longstanding history with this kind of shit. And we've seen what it leads to is a strong man who rises up to finally get everybody under control with, you guessed it, an iron fist. And then more people die, and then we hit the very thing that I'm trying to avoid by talking into this microphone, which is a sufficient level of pain and suffering that people finally choose something that actually makes sense.

• 29:21Speaker 06

  If China couldn't copy the model either way, where I'm kind of left wondering is, is that $700 billion bet even worth it? Because to me, it's like, they're going to do it either way.

• 29:32Speaker 03

  You're talking 700 billion in capital, capital investments?

• 29:35Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  I mean, the bad news is that's such a small fraction of the actual investment. Does the multi-trillions of dollars that will be spent in the coming years, is it warranted? Dude, that really is the whatever, $7 trillion question. Nobody's going to be able to answer that, what I, ahead of time. What I will say is, look at the progress in AI. The right way to parse what's happening in AI, to me, goes like this. Two years ago, AI basically couldn't do arithmetic. And now OpenAI just put forward that their currently unreleased frontier model has potentially solved another mathematics problem that has existed and unsolved for, you know, basically all of human history.

• 30:17Speaker 03

  And so we look at that stuff and we go, the rate of change is so dramatic. This is clearly going to be transformative for the earth. Is it going to be good transformative or bad transformative? That's a really big question. And that's why I'm like, okay, we've got the table set with the dangers. Now we have to start coming up with these proactive solutions of how do we protect against some of this stuff? One of the things that worries me, obviously, as a game developer is, I don't know if you've read this story, but AI can now decompile code. So previously you could put something out into the world and you would compile it into binary. And so it was literally zeros and ones. And the pattern set is so large that it became essentially impossible for

• 31:01Speaker 03

  a standard computer or obviously a human to figure out like, what is that piece of software actually? And now AI can decompile binary and go, oh, this is what it is. So you're releasing code into the world that AI is just like, this is trivial, man. I know exactly what all this is. And so all the things that we used to be able to hide, we can't. And so what does that mean for the economy? What does it mean for the economy when it's trivial for all of your trade secrets to be stripped mined and then turned into another piece of software in a few days, maybe a few weeks? But it's like, it's trivial now. And so how are we going to protect against that kind of thing? Is it going to be through legislating our way around that? Is it going to be through a new way of compiling something so that it's so obscure

• 31:46Speaker 03

  that even a AI is unable to crack it? I don't know, but we're going to have to solve that kind of problem. So from an economic question of is this bet even worth it? It's like, one, you only have one bet. So you basically with the central banking system that we have set up right now, with running $2 trillion in deficits right now, and nobody planning to back off of that, you have to grow your way out of this. It's the only way to inflate your way out of this. Because if you try to inflate your way out of it without growth that matches or supersedes your inflation rate, then the K widens so much that you get violence. So they understand that to keep doing what we're doing, we have to grow out of this. So the bet is going to be placed.

• 32:31Speaker 03

  Now, the bet being a bubble is the next question. I think it's obvious that by, call it traditional definitions, we're in a bubble. It's just a question of how much farther can it inflate? And so the bubble might be able to inflate far more than we think it can, or the bubble might burst later this afternoon. So that one is a huge unknown. So I've made my stance clear on how to protect yourself from that. You can't just sit in cash, you get inflated to nothing. You want some exposure, but you want to be as diversified as you can. Diversifying is getting harder by the day because so much consolidation is happening. Again, the $71 trillion in the S and P 500 would be far more exciting if it wasn't effectively 10 companies that are carrying 84% or whatever.

• 33:14Speaker 03

  The value is, it's completely insane, but that's the world that we're in. So we're in that world for those reasons, and I can certainly go deeper on any of those, if any of it's confusing. But it's like, the world is where we are. And now individually, how do we protect ourselves? And then culturally, at the government level, maybe a better way to say it, what do we do to mitigate some of those concerns? And then understanding the game plan and what actually has to transpire in terms of growth.

• 33:44Speaker 03

  And right now, that's the best we can do because nobody has a crystal ball and you can't see the future clearly. Even though Michael Burry would like you to believe that he can, he's been on a troll run. I don't think he's actually trolling, but he certainly tweets as if he were trolling.

• 33:58Speaker 06

  And speaking of trolling, I don't know anything about Coxon, so this is just from my limited research. But one of the things we've been talking about a lot is these companies are stirring fear in order to raise their IPO. You know, you don't think that they're actually-

• 34:11Speaker 03

  Danger is proof of power.

• 34:13Speaker 06

  Right. And so in September, Coxon told Axios, and this is a direct quote, that the excessive paranoia of China helps labs justify racing ahead. And in this clip, he was talking about how, you know, he's 90% sure, certain that China already has spies inside these companies. Do you think this is just another avenue for them to kind of hype up an IPO and be like, we gotta get this, we gotta get this going so we can become public? Or do you think, because obviously there is an extent of spies coming in the country. So this is not like denying that, but do you think this is another method of raising the price?

• 34:46Speaker 03

  The thing that I think is really happening is you have a mixture of people who are purely cynical and they just need a narrative to get spread because it helps raise their finances. You've got people for whom it is useful that this dramatic and scary thing is happening. So if I'm Jacob Coxon and I want to raise my profile and I know how this game works, I'm going to exit with a PR company in tow, which is precisely what he did. I'm going to do a big announcement, get a big write-up before I announce. So keep in mind, I forget who it was, if it was Wall Street Journal, I think it was, that wrote the article that launched like 15 minutes before he made the announcement that he was quitting. And so it's like, clearly there's a coordinated effort. But do I think that he's just being cynical?

• 35:29Speaker 03

  Probably not. I mean, he really worked inside of OpenAI, whichever one he didn't quit from. He had worked for for three years and then the other one, he was there only briefly. So I think that he's been in the industry long enough to see there really are problems. And I think there really are problems. So, but it's also good for him if this goes up. And it's good for him for two reasons. One, it helps raise his profile. As you can see, he's now on one of the biggest podcasts around. And then also, as far as I understand, he's a shareholder in one of the companies. So he gave up shares in one of them and kept shares in the one that had already vested that he exited out of. And so even if he's not doing it to be cynical, there's certainly incentive structure there for him,

• 36:13Speaker 03

  even if subconsciously to push it. So you have to be careful of that. So it doesn't make him a bad person or anything. It's just, we're all going to be influenced by what's good for us.

• 36:23Speaker 06

  Just follow the incentives, like you always say.

• 36:25Speaker 03

  Follow the incentives. Show me the incentives, I'll show you the outcome. Shout out to unfortunately, our man who passed away. But what a great line, because it is so very true. That sometimes people will just cynically follow their, the incentives. And then sometimes people will be pulled by them in a way that is very subconscious. And then other times, there are competing incentives that people have based on like what they think about the world. And so I think there are times where, and I don't advise people do this, but I think there are times where people will lie because they think it's better for the world. And that was one thing that I saw going on during COVID was

• 37:07Speaker 03

  if I took the frame of reference that these are very smart, well-intentioned people that are lying about COVID because they think it's actually in your best interest. It's like, okay, you still shouldn't do it. So it is going to be very mixed. And to just assume that people are evil or cynical is a deranging way to think about it. Cause that isn't true, but there is a mixed bag.

• 37:29Speaker 06

  And I found the answer to your questions. It was the Wall Street Journal, so you're right on that. And it was 15 to 18 minutes. The timing kind of doesn't really matter, but there's the range.

• 37:38Speaker 03

  It came out before he announced.

• 37:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, articles are saying an array of them. And then he currently holds shares in OpenAI. So that's probably the one that he's more all in on.

• 37:49Speaker 03

  So doesn't hurt his feelings if danger is used as a proof of power and that the stock continues to go up. But if you took a like super non-cynical read and you're just like, yeah, look, I'm not dumb. I put my time in there, the shares vested, but I'm here telling you the truth about what's going on. And it is possible that Tom's wrong and that proof or danger doesn't work as proof of power, that it makes people want regulatory compliance, that the industry itself begins to deflate and then my shares go down. And that is true, that is a possible outcome. This stuff is incredibly complex. And so there's no way to completely control the outcomes. So you could also take that read of it. And we'll never know what's true, we're not inside his heart.

• 38:34Speaker 03

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• 40:49Speaker 03

  Thanks for staying tuned. Now, let's get back to it.

• 40:52Speaker 02

  Let's play it first, because I heard the reaction before the joke and I had like bloated expectations. So let's like, let you guys hear from the horse's mouth and then you could decide for yourself.

• 41:02Speaker 06

  I haven't been to the gym in so long, I didn't know women just dress like whores now?

• 41:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's it. That's a joke.

• 41:07Speaker 03

  But dude, it has generated so many headlines. It is absolutely wild. And then I think it was made a much bigger story because of the reaction of, is it Sean Levy? What's the actor's first name?

• 41:19Speaker 02

  From Schitt's Creek.

• 41:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:22Speaker 02

  Let me pull it up. I'm blanking on his name.

• 41:23Speaker 03

  He has his first name. But anyway, he did a whole thing about Shane Gillis being misogynistic and this like perpetuates, you say assault culture, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but certainly making this a very big deal. And so to me, that's where I thought, because I saw them in the reverse order. I saw this first and then I saw the Z-way thing. And I was like, wait, hold on a second. Are people reacting to this?

• 41:48Speaker 02

  Here's Levy's response. Women wearing short shorts at the gym does not make them whores. It makes them, it makes the men calling them whores misogynists. There's a difference there. By the way, I've seen more men's nipple at the gym than I've ever seen women showing their bodies off. But I'm speechless at something like that can exist on live national television. And to be perfectly honest, more men need to be standing up in opposition to it because it's complacency that's created the environment in which women are sexually assaulted. And it's a conversation as opposed to a crime.

• 42:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know how we went from a comedian's joke about women dressing like whores to this is how you perpetuate sexual assault, but here we are. This is where, when I think about comedy and what comedy is meant to do, it's meant to poke fun at things that we all recognize but haven't said or haven't like put the thought together in our own head. And that is precisely what he did. Had I not known that this ended up blowing up into something, because like you, I saw the headlines before I heard the joke. I was like, wait, that joke? I went back and watched the entire thing. So I thought maybe he was doing other

• 42:54Speaker 03

  things that like set this up to feel like a bigger deal. No, like the set is funny. It's amusing, but it's not like his most outrageous. He's got way more outrageous jokes than this. So I was very surprised. This definitely made me feel like the whole idea of woke one still being alive and well is unfortunately still true. And this all gets caught up in the inability of our culture right now to parse, are women, do they have agency? Are men just blanket predators? When women dress provocatively, what is the expectation? Are they actually doing it for themselves? Or are they doing it for sexual attention? And when they get the sexual attention, is it just, I don't like that I got the sexual

• 43:38Speaker 03

  attention of the wrong person? And so all of this stuff gets caught up. And then looming in the background, Big as Day is the, the seven. What university is it?

• 43:50Speaker 06

  Cornell.

• 43:50Speaker 03

  Cornell seven. Thank you. That's looming in the background.

• 43:54Speaker 02

  I think that has more to do with this than the actual joke. I think this is, if that wasn't so fresh in our minds, and then the joke comes, I think we separate this. But there's a lot of speculation about what happened, who's at fault for what happened in the Cornell seven? Is consent revocable? Is because I drank, I'm now allowed to be used in that way? Like, there's a bunch of different lines and people are coming all across from it. And then he makes this joke. And I think that it's just a timing versus a delivery or content thing, in my opinion.

• 44:24Speaker 06

  Yeah. I will also, oh, go ahead.

• 44:26Speaker 03

  No, please.

• 44:27Speaker 06

  I will also say, and this is coming from, I have female friends who are comedians, is there is something to, and I'll even just compare Hassan and this guy's joke is, what was Hassan's thing? Slut it out versus women dress like sluts, right? Like, there's a big difference in those words. And when you're, when the punchline of your joke is women are whores, it can come off misogynistic, right? Like, even if you don't have ill intent.

• 44:49Speaker 03

  He didn't say women are whores. He said they dress like whores.

• 44:51Speaker 06

  Well, what does that imply? If women dress like whores, what does he imply?

• 44:55Speaker 02

  Dave Chappelle has a great joke about that.

• 44:57Speaker 07

  She looks good. Not good in that classical way. I mean, you know, I'm talking good. Like, she got half her ass hanging out her skirt. Her titties are all mashed together, popping out the top of her turtleneck and shit. You with your buddies, you got a couple of drinks in you. And you see a girl, you might try to talk to her, this might not come out right. I don't know what you say there. Damn, look at them titties. The girl gets mad. She's like, oh, uh-uh, oh, wait a minute, wait a minute. Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a whore. Gentlemen, that is true. Just because they dress a certain

• 45:39Speaker 07

  way, doesn't mean they are a certain way. Don't ever forget it. But ladies, you must understand that that is fucking confusing. Now, that would be like me, Dave Chappelle, the comedian, walking around the streets in a cop uniform. Somebody might run up on me. Ah, thank God. Officer, help us. Come on, they're over here. Help us. Oh, just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a police officer.

• 46:09Speaker 03

  The GOAT, dude. All capital letters. That guy is absolutely insane.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  I did step on your point though, right?

• 46:15Speaker 06

  Oh, no, you're good.

• 46:15Speaker 02

  I didn't make the joke.

• 46:16Speaker 06

  No, no, I mean, I think also that's a good example of how to tell that joke well, right? I mean, there's a difference between planning a whole setup, dragging it all out, and then him just going, and women dress like whores, am I right, gentlemen? You know? And it's like, the problem is, it's comedians being lazy. I mean, it's a lazy joke that he wrote on SNL. And I think some people sure are overreacting, but there is an inherent misogyny to a lot of comedy. Like, women are always put down. Women are always put second class in, in comedy.

• 46:43Speaker 03

  That's interesting. I don't have that read on it. So do you feel in the Dave Chappelle take that he was being misogynistic?

• 46:52Speaker 06

  I think the joke has some slight misogyny, but that's the thing of, he pushed the envelope to a point where it doesn't go too far, right? Like, he's telling a similar joke to the other guy. But again, it goes back to the setup, right? The punchline, everything like that. Now, it's not my flavor of humor. I wouldn't really laugh at that, because it's just like, I don't, I go, cool, you know, women dress scantily clad, who cares?

• 47:13Speaker 03

  The way that I read comedy is, so a lot of female comics make anti-men jokes or jokes at the expense of men. That's a better way to say it. And I have never been like, these bitches are misandrous. That's the part where I'm like, listen, if, if that's their brand of comedy and that's what they want to poke fun at, and especially if they can nail something that's actually real, it's like, okay, it's funny. You're making an observation about men that actually exists. And the fact that it's coming from a woman doesn't make it misandrous. It's just, it's a joke at men's expense.

• 47:48Speaker 06

  But why is that joke funny, though? Let's analyze that. I mean, the reason a joke about men.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  A theoretical joke about men?

• 47:53Speaker 06

  A theoretical joke about men. The reason those are funny is they're subversive, right? Like, typically in society, we don't bash men for those types of things. We always bash women for how they dress, how they interact with people.

• 48:02Speaker 03

  Such a weird frame of reference.

• 48:03Speaker 06

  And it's, and it's almost like the man telling a misogynistic joke in the way the guy did on SNL is just straight up punching down on a group that is oppressed in comedy.

• 48:11Speaker 03

  Okay, so here's, here's where I think the far more interesting debate happens. Are women oppressed in comedy or otherwise? And I would say that that assertion is absurd on its face. I mean, there's almost no metric.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  The assertion, women that are oppressed in comedy.

• 48:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. Women are oppressed in comedy, which is the claim you made. And then I will add another claim that I think a lot of people think women are oppressed full stop. And I think that that is, both claims are absurd. So there, when you think about what do people find funny, they're going to find funny what they find funny. And so people either finding or not finding a woman funny has nothing to do with oppression. So I don't see where...

• 48:54Speaker 06

  Well, I didn't say that either. You're twisting.

• 48:56Speaker 03

  You said women are oppressed, oppressed in comedy.

• 48:58Speaker 06

  Women are oppressed in comedy, as in they're skipped over for showcases. They are made, I have a friend who, one of my friends who'd post her clips on Instagram, she gets significantly more hate comments just because she's a woman. All of that. You can see women's oppression in comedy. Is it, is it something to where I'm like, oh, I'm so offended by this joke? Or, no, it's not. I'm just, it's, it's a fact of the matter that women are oppressed in comedy.

• 49:21Speaker 03

  Okay, so my read of that same set of facts has nothing to do with women being oppressed in comedy. Does it mean that men are more likely to be cruel online? Maybe. That's certainly possible. But in the day of the internet, if a woman is funny, she's going to be able to get her stuff seen, because all the algorithm cares about is whether people are engaging with your content, they're watching it. And then a promoter is going to go, oh, this person has a massive following. Let's get them, you know, gigs, because I can make money off of it. You could say possibly that like Netflix, they are so misogynistic that they will do something against their own best interests. But I see a ton of female-led

• 50:05Speaker 03

  specials on Netflix. And I certainly don't see anything in the behavior pattern of Netflix that would lead me to believe that they're misogynistic.

• 50:12Speaker 06

  But you're just picking, I'm talking, comedy's more than just Netflix. There's a whole comedy scene, Tom.

• 50:17Speaker 03

  Sure, but like, what are you anchoring on?

• 50:18Speaker 06

  I just told you. People I know in comedy.

• 50:19Speaker 03

  You gave me an anecdote of one person who did hate comments.

• 50:22Speaker 06

  And then I told you, my friends who are comedians, who are women, have the same thing.

• 50:24Speaker 03

  Right, but so this is where we go. These are unnamed anecdotes.

• 50:28Speaker 06

  Well, I'm not going to name people on there.

• 50:30Speaker 03

  Fair, and I get that. And I think that that's very wise.

• 50:32Speaker 06

  Especially with this chat.

• 50:33Speaker 03

  But, but bear with me. Don't expect that to be a compelling argument. So I'm not saying that you don't have a compelling argument that you could make that would be persuasive. I'm just saying you're not yet making that compelling argument.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  There's that TikTok lady who does call-in shows, and she always says like, facts? We talk about facts, we talk about science, we don't talk about feelings, opinions, or anecdotes. So I think in your, to back what Tom is saying right now, when you have, just because you can point to one person and say it happened to that one person, that makes them the exception, that doesn't make them the real necessarily. So I think from a rural perspective, I don't know if there's a mass institutional push against women into comedy. Now we can pick very specific examples because you could say your friend, I could think about Monique. From the black community, I could think about like, we could all kind of pull one or two people that we can say this person should be bigger or has had to do misogynistic things that her male counterparts did not have to go through.

• 51:27Speaker 02

  Um, but I just don't know if it's that banner like.

• 51:30Speaker 03

  That, that's a great point, but let's take Monique. So Monique came up before the internet was like the way. And so she still had to impress an establishment that could all too easily actually gatekeep be misogynistic, et cetera. I don't know enough about it to know if that's actually what happened. But like, when you have institutional gatekeepers, I get how that happens. When you have the internet and you have the ability to put up on TikTok, your jokes, and then the world is going to respond unless you think the algorithm itself is misogynistic. It just becomes a question of, is that person funny to a large enough audience? That they will become undeniable. And my thing is in the day and age of the internet,

• 52:11Speaker 03

  you do not have to go on and get the blessing of say, Joe Rogan. If you want to show that you're funny, you have a way to build your own audience. And so that's where I'm like, hold on, at, at this stage, nobody gets to make the claim that somebody else is holding me back. Unless you can point to the algorithm doing something to like, I'm in a, it's censoring me for some reason. I've been shadow banned or whatever. I imagine that is still very real. Uh, I imagine different algorithms, shadow ban, different people. But I cannot think of any credible claim that's been made against any algorithm that says that it's opposed to women. And so, okay, that's your claim. Now the claim.

• 52:51Speaker 02

  Well, my claim wasn't algorithms.

• 52:52Speaker 03

  No, no, no. Your claim was that women are oppressed in comedy.

• 52:55Speaker 02

  Right. That's a lot of different facets. You're picking different individual sectors in the same capacity that I'm picking the anecdotes from my life and going, I haven't heard of it. Of an algorithm that does this. I haven't heard of Netflix doing this. You're not, you're not, I mean, there are six different people in chat already who have just blankly said, uh, women aren't funny in chat. I feel like that should show evidence further to my case, right? I mean.

• 53:15Speaker 03

  So hold on, because now you're talking about, let's say it is possible that they have not seen women that they find funny. That they just don't speak to the type of humor that they have. That is certainly a very real thing. I imagine there are women who don't find men funny. I imagine there are men who don't find women funny. That's whatever.

• 53:34Speaker 02

  Right. But I would never sit here and go, men aren't funny, women aren't funny. I have comedians I like, I have comedians I dislike, and the fact that they're a man, woman, non-binary, whoever the fuck, doesn't make a difference to me.

• 53:43Speaker 03

  That's.

• 53:43Speaker 02

  So why are people, why are people then making, like you're, I mean, it's.

• 53:47Speaker 03

  Well, so let's, let's make sure that we tease out the separate argument. So now you're making a blanket statement that, that women are oppressed in comedy. And as to show evidence of that, we see that there are people in this chat alone who are saying women just aren't funny. So men not finding, like even if that were a real factoid, which I am not putting forward that it is, but let's say that that were a real factoid. If we were to put that forward, that is not a sign of oppression in comedy. That is a sign of there is a 50% of the marketplace that does not, they're not able to speak to. Okay. Well, that is what it is.

• 54:27Speaker 03

  So now you could do scientific studies, whatever, to figure out if there really is something about the way that females interpret the world that makes it harder for them to, you know, appeal to men in terms of comedy. I am not aware of any such study and I found plenty of women absolutely fucking hysterical. So that comment doesn't land for me. What I'm trying to get at is in a world of algorithms, only the algorithm can oppress you, quote unquote. Whether men go in the comments and say mean things does not stop something from being funny. The whole reason that I thought during woke one, it was absolutely absurd that people were trying to crush down comedy is people are going to find funny what they find funny. And that is like a deep limbic system thing. When you're really laughing, you're laughing from your belly.

• 55:12Speaker 03

  There's the whole rise, people have written articles about this. I don't have one quickly at my fingertips. But there's the whole rise of, uh, what do they call it? Clapter. So where instead of people actually laughing at your joke, they're clapping at your point. And so that to me is very different than comedy. That's political commentary with a clap track. So it's like, that's like a very different thing. Which hey, but if somebody likes that kind of funny, then I'm all for it. They want you to make a political statement that they find amusing and they're going to clap for it instead of laughing from their belly. If that's how people want their entertainment, I don't have a problem with that.

• 55:51Speaker 03

  But that to me is not somebody being oppressed or unduly celebrated. That's just, that's a different thing. So trying to have this conversation at the level of like cultural sobriety and how do we make sense as a culture? Is people trying to police what other people find funny, I think is a, an unwise way to try and parse the world. And which is not your claim. I'm just saying, new point. I think that is an unwise way for people to try to parse the world. If you find that people are laughing at a joke that you find deeply unsettling, I think it is far wiser to figure out why is that funny? Not to go try to berate or browbeat people and say you shouldn't find that thing funny. It's to figure out, okay, what's going on in culture that makes that joke funny?

• 56:37Speaker 03

  Is it touching on something that people haven't been able to talk about? So while I didn't think the, um, women dress like horrors in the gym is the funniest joke I've ever heard in my life. I, the reason I found it funny is I find it absolutely hysterical, theater of the absurd. A just, it, it's full for women to dress provocatively and expect men not to look at them. Male, male pornography is about closeups of genitalia. And until women grow to understand that men parse sexuality so differently than they do, they're going to be perpetually confused. Now, uh, Heather Heine talked about this. She's an evolutionary biologist, married to Brett Weinstein.

• 57:23Speaker 03

  She talked about this and I thought the way she talked about it was absolutely fascinating. This is not a woman who tries to dress provocatively at all. And she said, nonetheless, when I was about 15, I discovered the power of my sexuality and that I could control the male gaze. And I thought, oh, that's an interesting realization that I think women go through where they realize, whoa, pre puberty, I did not have this power. Now all of a sudden I have the ability to garner attention and get somebody to do something based on my physicality. And women don't react the same way to men like that. So for them, it is a sense of discovery of realizing, whoa, my body has power. I do not think that women who dress the way that they dress in the gym are confused about that.

• 58:07Speaker 03

  I think that they have experienced it very profoundly in their life. They may like some of it and absolutely despise others and be deeply uncomfortable about other things. And this is again, where, uh, there's a go to joke from, um, we just literally saw Dave Chappelle, thank you, Jesus Christ, uh, where he talks about, it's so crass, I like hesitate to say it. Uh, if you've got kids, now would be the time to get them to leave. But he was talking about, man, I want you to imagine if you've ever withdrawn a lot of money from uh, an ATM and then you have to walk back to your place with it. And you just feel like, fuck, I'm going to get attacked because I've got, you know, $10,000 on me or whatever. And he said, now imagine you walk around all day with a vagina. He didn't say vagina, but you get the idea.

• 58:52Speaker 03

  And I was like, fuck, that is one of those real things where you're like, Jesus, I never thought about it, that you know, there is some thankfully, small percentage of men, but they will be violent towards you if they get the opportunity because you have attached to your body as a part of your body. You have a thing they want so badly that they will essentially ruin the rest of your life to get access to it. That is insane. And I had never thought about it. And so it was a joke that cut to the heart of a true thing that I'd never thought about. In the same way, to a much lesser extent, that he was making a joke about something that we haven't been allowed to talk about, which is women dress in this insanely provocative way

• 59:35Speaker 03

  that has a massive impact on the neural chemistry of even the most like, I know to be, um, protective of women, to avert my gaze, to be respectful, to give them space, to make sure that they never feel endangered, all of that. Love it. There's going to be a huge number of men that respond in that situation in that way. But nonetheless, when presented with that imagery, there is a very deep part of their biological composition that is gonna like have a reaction. And women pretending that that isn't happening is insane. And that's where the comedy lies in that when you show your body off like that,

• 1:00:19Speaker 03

  you, you have experienced so many times, you're going to get a reaction and they dress like that nonetheless. And then there were people posting TikToks and it's like, I have a condition and I have to dress like this and I don't want to. And meaning like I overheat or whatever. And it's like, come on, man. There is a way to wear shorts and a shirt that is not your ass cheeks hanging out. And by the way, if you want to dress in a way that has your ass cheeks hanging out, do you, like, I don't have any beef with that whatsoever. But don't pretend that there isn't a biological reaction that's coming your way. And so that's why I found the joke funny.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  I got two things for that. First thing, I put a poll in the chat, have workout clothing etiquette gone too far? 67% of the chat said yes, 32, 33 said no. But going back to your last point about women dressing a certain way and expecting a reaction. I think it's unfair that we put that responsibility on women. I'm going to use a very, I'm going to use a very specific example. Lynn got, um, dress coded in 7th grade because she wore short shorts in the hallway on her way to like, uh, cheerleading practice or whatever like that. The teacher was like, well, you could have changed, you know, in the gym and then went straight to cheer. You have to change the period before and walk around with your shorts. And then she was just like, but why? I don't understand why I can't wear shorts.

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  And then it was the typical excuses. Well, boys get distracted and things like this. She was like, well, why am I, why is, why am I responsible for how boys think like they need to be more disciplined and not stare at me? And it was one of those things that from like a parent's standpoint, I was on the teacher's side until she said that last statement. I'm like, yeah, that is interesting. If you are raising a horny little boy and he thinks anything with legs, he's allowed to stare at, hump at, lick at, whatever. It's not my daughter's fault that he doesn't have any self-control. She's had self-control. She's not sitting on his lap. She's not twerking in on the desk. She's not doing any of those things. So you should be able to have the self-respect to control your impulses. And I think that's the first time I realized like where the burden of proof of the conversation lies. It's one thing about dressing. It's one

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  thing about rate. Like, we could take all those things off the table, but just a woman provocatively dressed, we're automatically gonna say, why is she dressed like that versus why am I fighting with these uncomfortable thoughts?

• 1:02:27Speaker 03

  I think there's two things going on there. So, one, do you think that schools should have a dress code? Or should kids be able to roll up in a thong if they want?

• 1:02:38Speaker 02

  Rolling up in a thong is a bit unnecessary.

• 1:02:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. So for you, there is a line. You just don't draw it in the same place. So I'm just saying, if we want to argue about where that line is, fair enough. But that there should be a line, I think we all agree. Even though that line is still based on the very same thing, which is that people are gonna have a biological response to this. Now, I'm not giving guys a pass. If you've got a kid that's acting a fool, you should be on his ass as well and saying, listen, you cannot act like a fucking creep. You can't stare at women. I don't care if, okay, so I'll give an example. This is still horrifying, and I mourn for this girl to this day. But there was a girl in my school in middle school that got pantsed, if you guys know what that is. But unfortunately, whether intended

• 1:03:23Speaker 03

  or not, both her sweatpants and her underwear came down. Now, if guys then swarm and are staring and pointing and laughing, you're an asshole. If you're like, fuck, and you avert your eyes to give her some dignity, yeah, 100%. And so I would for sure, I don't remember what happened to the kid. He should have been suspended, whatever. And then, 1,000% anybody that was ogling, pointing and laughing, they're a fucking asshole. You gotta notify the parents. Like, that's some sinister shit. Parents, you gotta get control of your kids. Now, at the same time, that parents should be just teaching their boys to be gentlemen, to protect women, which I think that'll be a controversial statement, but nonetheless,

• 1:04:07Speaker 03

  I believe that. And so I believe parents should be teaching their kids that. The very reason they should be teaching their kids that is, nature has a different agenda. Nature's like, if you see exposed genitals, all eyes on that shit. Pay attention. You're gonna get a massive response, especially as they go through puberty. Also, the brain is not fully developed yet. That doesn't mean that you don't teach boys relentlessly and consistently to be a gentleman, to be protective, to avert your gaze, all of that stuff. You should 1,000% be drumming that into, um, boys. But I also understand, it's gonna be hard, especially when they're young, that they have such a lack of control over their impulses, because

• 1:04:48Speaker 03

  they literally don't have a prefrontal cortex that's fully developed. But anyway, so, those to me are separate. You should be telling girls, listen, there's a reality to be faced. As you get older, you're gonna discover something called the male gaze. Need to be very thoughtful about that. And don't ever find yourself, and by the way, I'm not surprised by her confusion at all, because presumably at that time, she was prepubescent. And so it's like she hasn't discovered that people start looking at her in a different way yet. Now, as she matures, and she's cheerleading now, like all of those things, she's gonna find out. And so now, at that point, I would expect her to be, and you know, as a father, you decide whether this would be an appropriate way to speak to her, to, as she gets older,

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  to be far more strategic with the use of her attractiveness. I don't think it's something that women need to hide in any way, shape or form. I think they should be wise to understand. Listen, you can get attention on yourself in productive ways by knowing how to flatter yourself, be appropriate to the scenario, but like, understand how you can get all eyes on you, like you briefly showed a shot of the new, um, press secretary for Trump. It is not an accident that she's another attractive blonde woman, right? It, it, people are going to pay attention to that. And she dresses in a way that's very professional, but also very flattering. And so for a woman to understand that there is a way to do that, where you're going to get a response both from women and men, and you need to understand

• 1:06:16Speaker 03

  what that is and how to be in control of that situation, I think that's very wise. And so somehow, we've allowed culture to derange itself to the point where we act like these aren't knowable things, that these aren't powerful things. One of the truest things I ever heard Sam Harris say was, when there was like, uh, Me Too was just going crazy. Sam Harris was like, everybody needs to pump the brakes, because we are acting like women are powerless. And he said, I have never seen a, um, successful, wealthy person throw their life away faster than over an attractive young woman. And I was like, fucking facts. Guys, Jeff Bezos, one of the most successful entrepreneurs the world has ever given us, one of the wealthiest people the world has ever given us, still

• 1:07:01Speaker 03

  sends his girlfriend dick pics. It is just a fucking truth of the human experience. And so, uh, us all pretending like that isn't a thing, or that men are somehow these evil creatures, because they find women attractive and are going to look and feel some type of way, uh, is crazy. And to pretend like women dress like that for themselves is absurd in the extreme. If they, if they were really doing it for themselves, they would dress like that at home, which of course they do not. They put on the loungiest, frumpiest shit. I've been in enough relationships to know, that is like 100% guaranteed. And so, um, yeah, this, this is just theater of the absurd. And so, the, like, higher morality

• 1:07:44Speaker 03

  than now, you're misogynist for saying something like that is just silly. He's trying to say it in a provocative way, because it is a true thing, that somehow we have gotten to the point where we're not allowed to talk about. It's crazy.

• 1:07:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, the chat's not helping your point.

• 1:07:58Speaker 03

  Because they're saying what?

• 1:07:59Speaker 02

  I've had to go right side. I'm seeing some crazy comments right now. Even to my kid, even to like my daughter, conversation that I gave them the setup and everything. And it's just like, well, she should, she should be dressed like a hoochie. Like, okay, you didn't hear anything I said. Okay.

• 1:08:11Speaker 03

  Exactly. But, okay, so now...

• 1:08:14Speaker 02

  We're, we're on the, uh, the other side of, of specific anecdotes going crazy.

• 1:08:19Speaker 03

  Well, not only that, because let's say that, let's say that that behavior is universal. Now, I want, so that I can also feel seen in all of this, I just walk through how both women and men should be looking at this. So clearly, I'm not like, these guys should be popping off and saying, you just don't dress like a hoochie. But at the same time, they're getting to a real point, which is, there is going to be that reaction. You may not want there to be that reaction, but just like I would tell my daughter, uh, no one should ever rape you. That shit is fucking insane. But still, you need to be careful about where you are at night. You need to be thoughtful about how much light there is, how many other people are around, how safe you are.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  Be cautious in your surroundings.

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  Yes, because it is a reality that you are far more likely to be attacked by a man than a woman. That's just fucking true. And so it's not, um, misandrist to say that men are far more likely to be the perpetrator of sexual violence. And it's not misogynistic to point out that when you dress in a provocative way, you bring attention upon yourself that you better understand, because if you don't understand it, you may do it at an inappropriate time or inappropriate place. And there is a right time and a right place to dress provocatively, such as on your wedding night, might I suggest. But I'm not like, wait for your wedding night kinda guy at all. So it's like, hey, there are plenty of times, you're at a pool party, you're around a lot of other people. And if you wanna really walk that line and get a lot of attention, but just know, some people are gonna be, uh, inappropriate, they shouldn't

• 1:09:46Speaker 03

  be, but likely you up the risk of that dramatically. So it's like, regardless of whether these guys are demonstrating the behavior that we don't wanna see, my point is, that behavior is there and exists. And so now that we know that that behavior exists, do we just go, men bad, or those guys trash, or whatever? Or do we say, women, be very thoughtful about when you dress like that, because it has a certain response? And then, men, this is how you should behave in that situation. Let's talk about a pattern that is guaranteed to be killing your progress. You know what you need to do. You need consistent nutrition. We all do. You need vitamins, probiotics, greens. We all know that we should be doing more of it. When your morning gets chaotic,

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