Cultural Suicide or Progress: The West’s Struggle with Immigration, Identity, and Radicalism

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  We're going to see a lot of that. Strange behavior in the war in Iran is going on. We're going to dissect what it likely means. There are a lot of conflicting stories. The DSA told on itself on live television. You guys are going to want to hear it for yourself. Trump and Mondani are on a collision course. I knew that. Somebody's finger was going to be on that button.

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  Trump and Mondani are on a collision course as Tom Homan and ICE have announced plans to massively ramp up their presence in New York City. That one's going to get nice and spicy. A former World Bank president has suddenly gone viral for his scathing indictment of the Fed. I'm going to explain why, but you guys are not going to like it. AI dogs with guns mounted on them are being tested alongside soldiers in China. So that's startling. If you guys were worried about that Black Mirror episode coming to life, well, it has. And Chinese fishermen are doing weird things off the coast of Taiwan. And we are going to need to finally admit that there is something going on there that isn't about catching fish. And when you tie it all into everything that's going in Iran, things start to get weird. But that is not where I want to start.

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  Where I want to start is the collision between the West and Islam. I hate to say it, but that's just where this is. Saturday night, just before 10:00 PM, a white van drove into a crowd in Berlin's Tiergarten Park during a gay pride parade. It's one of Europe's largest pride events. The van hit an absolute gaggle of people. Then, when the car slammed into a tree, the driver hopped out with a machete and just kept going. One woman is dead, 29 injured, three have life threatening injuries. The police end up shooting the guy dead.

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  He ends up charging at people, charging at the officers with the machete. And so that ended that. The German interior minister said everything points to this being an Islamist terror attack. Police named the suspect as Abdul Baalout. He's a 21 year old. He was born in Germany, but he has Lebanese roots. He's known to Berlin police as part of the city's Islamist scene. In 2025, he was tied, or he tried to join ISIS via Syria. Lebanese authorities ended up catching him. A military court gave him three months. But then he returned to Germany in November and was arrested at the airport.

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  Now, there's unclear rumors going around about why Germany brought him back. Some people say that he never planned to return to Europe and that Germany actually went and got him because they didn't think that he was being treated well. And they wanted to give him a chance to basically de-radicalize. And so people were saying like, this is atrocious, the way that this guy is being treated. We've got to bring him back. We've got to give him a chance. And so that, if that ends up being true, and at this point, I would say that should not be read as fact. But if that ends up being true, that would be completely insane. This gets into this whole idea that the West is committing civilizational suicide. As I try to really map what's going on in the mentality of people in the West,

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  it really gets dark and I'll say at this point, maybe a little bit confusing. I have hypotheses about what's going on inside of people's minds that will lead you back to the traditional marriage of the left and radical. It's not Islam. It's radical revolutionary ideology. And so whether that comes in the form of Marxist Leninists, who also teamed up with the left, whether that comes in the flavor of Mao and him teaming up with the left, whether that comes in the flavor of what's going on right now with Islam teaming up in the West. You certainly saw that again in the revolution in the late 70s in Iran, them teaming up with the left, and then they immediately murdered the left

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  as a way of finally unmasking and showing that this was really a power play. Now, whenever you talk about this stuff, you have to be very careful to tease out the difference between someone who simply practices, who is a practicing Muslim, but I'll call, this is very much my wording, I don't know that anybody will like this, but sort of reformed Islam in the same way that you get a reformation in Christianity. So it's a very real thing. People really do get on the other side of this. And if people make this about race, which again, Islam is not a race. So teasing that out is going to be very important. This is a collision of values. This is people have a belief system that works, that leads them to act in a certain way. People act in accordance with their beliefs and their values.

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  And the, where this gets so weird is you see from the left, all of this,

• 6:19Speaker 00

  what will seem pro-radicalism, but I actually think is simply the oppressed oppressor narrative painted over everything. And when you look at the entire world through that lens, you, especially in the West, for reasons that are born out of France, and we can get into this, but you have an intellectual tradition that's been running across the West for a very long time now. A very long time. Call it 80 years ish, maybe more, as it really, its earliest, earliest sparks were before that. But you've had this running for a long time. So the oppressed oppressor narrative becomes very specifically anti-Western

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  in that it looks at the West, Europe, very specifically, and all of Europe's descendants, namely, America, as a colonizing, colonizing force that has gone the world over and basically taken advantage of all of these countries. Now, when you look at the West, like there was one woman, I think we have the link. She's saying it in German, so we can play it. But the punchline is that what's coming out of Germany already, keep in mind, this just happened. But what's coming out of Germany already from the left, that is not the one. Though, maybe she's speaking, the one that I'm going for. Now, the one that I'm going for is a woman speaking German. And she says, I wish that this had been a Christian, a white Christian, I think she may have said specifically,

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  because we don't want this to become a political, they don't use the word stunt, but we don't want this to become political messaging where people are using this to be anti-Muslim, to be anti-Islam, because this ends up breaking their narrative. And man, I'm going to try to tie this to something that I've been talking to you guys for now 200 episodes. This is one of the earliest things we talked about. That's her. And when I was reading the book, The Machiavellians, Defenders of Freedom, he talks a lot about historically that we could control the narrative. And so the, not the whole world, but the vast majority of people saw the world the same way.

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  It was a very controlled narrative, so it was a lie, to be sure. But at least it was a shared narrative. And so the West would tell itself a story of we are the good, we are the righteous, all of that. And of course, everybody's telling themselves that story. And as I was reading the book and I thought, ooh, in the age of social media, where you have massive velocity of information and just sheer volume of information, now all of these different narratives are going to come out at once. Now, the problem is that, one, it can be used, obviously, to radicalize more people. We're certainly seeing that. But it's now bringing forward the left, the way that the left pairs up

• 9:14Speaker 00

  through the victim-victimizer narrative with extremists. And it allows everybody to see exactly the collision of those two things. So when you see queers for Palestine, for instance, but then a radical jihadist, again, do yourself a favor, do not derange, do not get captured in a frame of reference that says all Muslims are bad. That would be, it would be inaccurate. So even just from that standpoint, it's unwise. But also just getting to value system, understanding their value system is the only way that you're going to understand their behaviors. Okay. So it, when you have queers for Palestine, but then a jihadist rams into a gay pride festival,

• 9:54Speaker 00

  and you can find a nearly endless string of radical Islamists talking about how Allah hates the gays. And so it is jarring, to say the least. But it becomes this very frustrating, bordering on deranging collision, watching these two things play out in real time. So watching this driver slam into a gay pride festival,

• 10:24Speaker 00

  that it is completely consistent with radical Islamists' value system in terms of that going against God, and so we're not going to stand for it. We're not going to tolerate it. And yet, the victim-victimizer narrative of the left is so strong, they can't see past it. And the human, because I see all of us as caught up in this, the human propensity to, regardless of what the facts tell you, to Be unable to parse the world in any way that violates your narrative. And they've done studies on this where you can present people with facts

• 11:02Speaker 00

  that show that their own side is perfectly violating their own stated principles and lying. And they will do all kinds of mental gymnastics to show why their side is actually perfectly consistent and perfectly right. But when they're looking across the political aisle at the other side doing it, they see it perfectly. And so they can see the sin of the other side, but they cannot see the plank in their own eye, which I think is an actual biblical statement, Drew, if I can. Yeah, so what is it you?

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  Don't try to remove the block out of somebody else's eye without the speck out of your brother's eye without moving the block out of your.

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  Yeah, so like you see, you see a mote of dust in somebody else's eye, but you can't see the plank in your own. And that is, we all do it. And so that's the part, as I watch all of this unfold, that I'm just reminding myself of constantly, I am just as in danger of getting caught up in a frame of reference as anybody else. So I have to be very, very careful. We're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead, so don't go anywhere. There's a reason Quince sells cashmere for $60, and it isn't the cashmere. It's real 100% Mongolian cashmere. It's the same stuff luxury labels charge a fortune for. Quince just works directly with ethical factories and cuts out the middleman. So there's no need for a markup and no logo tax.

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  The thing that I fear about this show is the deeper I go down this stuff, the more I am just absolutely frustrated to my core with far-left ideology. Again, to separate from people who are liberal or democratic, like you've got a... Yeah, you have to be so careful with this stuff. So anyway, I recognize that now my own beliefs, my own frustrations are beginning to form into a narrative that I'm telling myself and I run the risk of getting trapped inside of that. Okay, so I'm going to try to keep parsing this stuff as simply and clearly as I can, but I am not going to ignore that we have a massive coming collision between the West writ large and the influence of the left on the West writ large

• 16:10Speaker 00

  because the very far leftist ideology has been marching through the institutions for a very long time. So kids are being raised inside of this frame of reference. And because what humans do is they will justify their own belief system, no matter what information is presented with them. Even as we look at a moment like this where you have the German authorities, who, given their political tensions, are not exactly excited to announce that this is pointing in the direction of Islamist terrorism, but nonetheless are already saying, yes, this is where this is pointing. And the left going, oh, man, I really had hoped that this was a white Christian

• 16:52Speaker 00

  so that it would, I don't say this part, but so that it wouldn't break their narrative. Making this about my side right, your side wrong, I think would be, it won't stop us from heading down this path and watching the value system that has given us the West self-destruct.

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  We'll talk about that more. I don't want to diatribe on that. You can ask follow-ups. We can get into that, what I mean by that, very specifically, how it will become policy, how that policy will make things economically worse. The economics are ultimately then what lead to the misery that we have seen play out in Russia. We've seen play out in China. We've seen play out in Cambodia. We've seen play out just in so many places over time.

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  But right now, the thing that we have to look at is the behavior of the left is so deranging that you get a guy who, his original sentence was one year and 10 months, but it was suspended. And the court ended up saying, well, you know, he confessed. His time in pre-trial detention has already been served. He stated that he's really backing off of ISIS. Like he's not going down that sort of radical path anymore. And so we should just be understanding and more forgiving. And obviously, the prosecutors appealed that. And they wanted to see this guy actually serve time, but they lost.

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  And so two months later, this guy rents a van, grabs a machete and fucking slams in to these people, killing one, injuring 29, hacking people with a machete. I mean, this shit is just so wild. And because you have a desire, because you have a belief, I won't even say a desire. It starts as a belief. Because you have a belief, people have been taught in the West to hate the founding story of the West, if you will. They have come to believe that the West is uniquely bad, that we must decolonize everything about the West.

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  You create this situation where people are actively trying to punish themselves in the West.

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  And because of that, you're going to see more and more of this kind of violent extremism because it is a belief system and a value system that is fundamentally different than what we have in the West. And to know that there are, there's a huge contingent of people in the West that actually want to see this play out this way. And their concern isn't for the lives that are lost. Their concern is for the upholding of the narrative and not wanting the other side to be able to weaponize this. And stepping back, knowing how likely I am to get trapped by my own frame of reference and looking at it through that lens of, okay, I'm looking at a bunch of people that are trapped.

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  And the fact that they do not try to come up with a cause and effect to look at, okay, we're running this belief system, meaning we should import people into the country. We have no right to have borders. We have stolen from these people. We have destabilized their region. And so, yes, there should be no borders. We're going to get to this when we get to the DSA. They are just straight saying it out loud, and I can't believe how hard I have to bang the drum about this, because it should be self-evident. They, they, the DSA is not hiding. The DSA as a very good representative, representative of the far left. They're not hiding that they want to get rid of borders.

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  They're not hiding that they want to bring in literally infinity migrants. They are not hiding the fact that they want to give them citizenship. Like they, she's, we'll show you the clip. She just out and out says it. And so now we're in this position where we're watching these things collide, but people just want to defend their narrative instead of going, okay, I see the problem that this is going to create, and this is why this thing keeps happening over and over and over. And by the way, this is going to continue to bring out violence on the other side. And so you, I don't know if you guys have been paying attention to this, but Elon had an interview, maybe last week sometime, and the woman was like really coming after him and saying,

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  you keep saying that Europe is violent, it's not violent, like you're crazy. And he was trying to point out, when you bring in people, because he said civil war is inevitable in the UK. And she was like, that's bullshit. That's not true. And he said, if you bring in a group that has fundamentally different beliefs than the group that's already there, they will eventually have enough and they will begin fighting back. And so there's video footage coming out now, and so much of this stuff, you never know if it's anecdotal or if it's widespread. And so for now, assume it's anecdotal, but that it gives you directional signals. You've got people in Ireland where the lads, as they call them,

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  are walking around in groups at night, they say, because they want women to feel safe walking around town. I'll say, these are people that are getting angry because they realize that they're in a collision of values. And when they get angry enough, they are going to fight back. And so it'll start as skirmishes on the street. And my hope is that the actual volume and velocity of information due to the social media age actually causes us to dissipate early, because people end up seeing like how absurd this is. And so it's not able to just fester in these cloistered, hidden areas, that it all comes to the forefront and we all see like what is happening.

• 22:45Speaker 00

  We all see the direction of travel and hopefully we can begin to ease off of the ratcheting up tensions and start to have very sensible immigration policies, put policy in place to make sure that people integrate, that radical extremism is treated as radical extremism, that we begin much like the countries in the Middle East that don't tolerate things like the Muslim Brotherhood, that we also start putting in very strict policies about what we tolerate, who's considered a terrorist group, how we defang them and de-energize them. All of that stuff is going to be incredibly important.

• 23:28Speaker 00

  But when you have people like this, if you're looking at your screen, that are saying, oh, man, I just wish that this had been a white Christian. You realize that they've got an end goal that they want to get to, which is the West has committed these crimes throughout history, and they're never going to say we need to be punished for this, but that is certainly the vibe. That is what I think is in their heart. I'll just state it very plainly. I think they need, they believe that the West needs to be punished. I think they see themselves as sort of sitting outside of that, which is deeply problematic, because they're going to be beholden. Remember, the playbook goes like this. Whoever has the most belief and is willing to kill the most people will go into power.

• 24:11Speaker 00

  This has just happened everywhere where the left and the revolutionary extremists have gotten together. The left is not willing to kill people at the rate that the revolutionaries are. And so they will kill more people, they will get into power. One of the first groups of people that they end up killing are the people on the left. And so it's like this playbook runs time and time again. This is where the concept of the useful idiot comes up. So watching this, my takeaway is it should be very easy to say, okay, we have a problem right now with Islamic extremism, not to be confused with Muslims. We have an Islamic extremist problem. It needs to be identified for what it is.

• 24:54Speaker 00

  We have a culture, whether that's the US, the UK, Europe at large, we have a culture. We are going to protect that culture, ideally peacefully through policy. And if everybody puts it up on the table and we walk through, what are the cause and effects of the different choices that we could make? Then you can reach something sensible. I don't put a lot of stock in that being the way that humans play out normally. And I really don't think that's how it plays out in a populist moment where everybody is reasoning by emotion and not by logic. So what I'm expecting is to see a continued rise of internal violence within these different countries, where the left and the revolutionaries,

• 25:39Speaker 00

  which in this case in Europe, happen to be radical Islamists. And so that violence is going to collide with, like in Germany, groups like the AFD, in England with groups like Restore. And it's going to end up, if we can't do it through sensible dialogue and policy, it is going to end up being settled through violence. And history is awash in this exact playbook, as we've seen literally the left and radical Islamists link up together, in Iran being a very easy example to point to. Yeah, we could do a total fractal on Islamists versus Christians and other parts of the Middle East and Africa.

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  We'll leave that aside for now. So yeah, this is one where, if you're having the dialogue at the level of racism, at the level of West bad, at the level of decolonize, that's all intellectual derangement, narrative capture, being totally consumed by your own frame of reference and just being able to, you're completely blinded to the path out of this. And man, does history scream into the void with a warning that if we keep going down that, only bloodshed awaits, man. This is wild.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  I want to start at the beginning because I'm reminded of that great quote, "A great civilization is not conquered from without until has destroyed itself within." So when we say that the West is under attack, do you think that it started inside? Or are these people bandits at the gates that we need to fortify before they take over?

• 27:15Speaker 00

  Well, okay, so that, that is a statement that is, there's enough truth in it that it's going to continue to be a thing that's repeated. But the honest answer is whoever is stronger is going to win. And so even if you have a society that is really cohesive and really believes in what they're doing and is willing to fight, they may be harder, they will be significantly harder to conquer. I plant that flag only so when later I say, listen, we live in the law of the jungle and whoever's strong is going to win, that people don't think I'm being inconsistent. This moment is going to be brought to you by, if you are trying to, like, take Poland as an example. I don't think many people know Poland's history.

• 27:58Speaker 00

  So people understand it, I think, leading up to World War II, but they don't understand it after World War II. So after World War II, Poland gets basically taken over by the Russian side of things. And it's miserable and people are dying and starving and all the usual things that you would expect when the left actually win and you get a communist country. And so when they were able to regain their independence, they had suffered so much that they were just like, I don't care if people call us racist. We are not letting foreigners that we don't think share our value system to come to our country. And so I'm pretty sure it's either Poland or Hungary, and I'm almost certain it's Poland,

• 28:42Speaker 00

  that is being charged like a million dollars a day or something like that by the European Union, because they are violating the European standards for accepting immigrants and refugees. And so they're like, we'll just keep paying the money. And the reason we'll keep paying the money is we understand that there are some things more important than money because of what we went through during the Cold War.

• 29:03Speaker 02

  It's Hungary.

• 29:05Speaker 00

  It was Hungary?

• 29:05Speaker 02

  For asylum and migration laws, and Poland has faced a similar thing in the past.

• 29:11Speaker 00

  Okay. And am I right about a million dollars a day?

• 29:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:14Speaker 00

  Okay. So extraordinary amounts of money that the countries that take this stance are willing to stand 10 toes down on. So when you look at the countries that are staying firm, they're going to give us a really great natural experiment of, are they going to be able to hold out longer? Certainly I have higher hopes for Poland than I have for, say, Germany, which is really struggling, or the UK, which is really struggling. Because they, there was a British actress, God, Ryan, if you can find this one fast, I'll be very impressed. This is one of those, again, I did not expect it to stick to my ribs in this way, so I didn't pull the clip.

• 29:53Speaker 00

  But there was a British actress who's in She-Hulk. And she said basically, England's like the worst. England are, did she say evil? She may not have used the word evil, but she went hard in the paint to be like, yo, England's the worst. Look at all these things that we've done historically, gone into these countries, colonized them, et cetera, et cetera. And so when you have that sense of my own country is the bad guy, then you can imagine that you want to see people come in. But the problem is that you're saying it in the period where things are still good. And

• 30:36Speaker 00

  People have not taken the time to create a mental map of what does it look like when somebody whose values are not mine force me to adhere to their values and what that feels like. It is not a good thing. And this is how you get the, like, if anybody knows what happened in Spain, where Muslims come in, they conquer the country, they slaughter most of the Spaniards, but a small group goes up into the mountains. And for like 400 years, they have kids and they get stronger and they come back and they reconquer Spain. And it's like, that is the kind of violent back and forth that you end up getting when people believe that their value system is the thing that's under assault. So, okay, to put a final bow on the question. When you have that kind of disagreement inside

• 31:21Speaker 00

  your own country, you, you are incredibly weak because you can't, you can't mount a defense, you can't do what Ukraine is doing right now, which is, we now have, and again, you have to know their history to understand why they become what they become. And when you read Red Famine and you hear like how many millions of them were starved to death intentionally during that period where Stalin has taken control, I can never remember if that's right after Stalin takes control or right at the end of Lenin, I think it's Stalin, but anyway, Lenin-Stalin, sort of six in one, half dozen of the other, they starve all these Ukrainians to death. So, part of the reason they were doing that is they did not want the Ukrainians to have a national identity. So now, imagine you

• 32:06Speaker 00

  know that. Now imagine you get out from under the Soviet Union at the end of the Cold War, and you start telling that history over and over and over. Like, we are a nation, we are a people, we have an identity, it is us. And when Russia now invades, you're like, nope, fuck that noise. And you get Zelensky saying, I don't need transport out, I need bullets. The most gangster statement of all time, love or hate him, that's a very hardcore response of somebody who's like, no, I'm gonna fight for what's mine. Full respect to anybody on my team, not on my team. Full respect to anybody that's like, no, I believe what I believe and I'm willing to fight and die for it. And so, when, when you have that, you see how strong of a resistance can be mounted. Look at the US. Same idea.

• 32:49Speaker 00

  We start developing a national identity before we become America, and we're able to take on the most successful empire ever, and defeat them. So, when you are strongly united, you really can do something extraordinary. Now, if England had had the will to crush us down and defeat us, they almost certainly could have. But, we broke their will to fight, just as Afghanistan broke our will to fight in Afghanistan. And so, it, you see this kind of, they did the same thing to Russia. You see this kind of thing play out. When you are strong, and you have more belief, more intensity, more passion, more willingness

• 33:28Speaker 00

  to fight, more willingness to suffer, then you really can win. And so, the very question that we're being asked right now as the West, is, are there enough people that believe in the West and what we've built and the incredible prosperity that we have brought to the entire globe, when you look at this moment in time, which the left will tell you, this moment in time is brought to you by colonialism, okay? That's what they'll say. Okay, great. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, in all of human history, have we pulled more people out of poverty. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, in history, have

• 34:08Speaker 00

  we had a higher standard of living, lower birth mortality rates, longer life expectancy, and this moment brought to you by colonialism. Now, I don't think that's true. I don't think it's brought to you by colonialism. I think it's brought to you by Western values. And the great thing about Western values is that it has this directional bent away from the, obviously, the enslavement, from the taking advantage of people towards a, to use American language, towards a more perfect union. It has that corrective mechanism brought to you by, in my opinion, Christianity. And so, Christianity brings you this bent towards uplifting people, taking care of the poor, not being an oppressor, an idea that, and

• 34:51Speaker 00

  I don't think he was Christian, but an idea that you hear echoed from Nelson Mandela, where if you simply become the oppressor, you give up your humanity. Being the oppressor is to lose your own humanity. And so, whether, the only way for that to find its way to the forefront of Christianity or not is irrelevant. The fact that it is so embedded in Christianity, that you see that rise to the fore. So, I think the West has shown us that you can have this long trajectory towards making life better for the vast majority of humanity. Now, the country that's brought more people out of poverty than anybody else in human history, certainly from a nominal perspective, is China. But I will remind everybody, China is communist in name only. And they opened up to the free markets to stop starving their

• 35:35Speaker 00

  people to death when they were truly communist. And so, looking at that transition when Mao dies into Deng Xiaoping and his Reformation and all of that, that, I think, is extraordinarily telling about the power of Western ideology. Now, I'm not saying that China has Western ideology, they actively do not. But they looked at the West and said, oh, you guys figured something out, and we want to import that into our nation. And so, looking at the value systems that drive people, that a change in value system will change the country dramatically, for the better or the worse, becomes incredibly important. And

• 36:14Speaker 00

  so, when you are divided, and you have, you're divided by an ideology that will allow you to be strong, be protected, strong borders, strong military, law and order internally, safety internally, economic prosperity internally, that's going to be far more able to fight for itself than something that is ideologically driven, does not survive contact with reality, violence is necessary to maintain a lid on all of the pushback that you inevitably get from it. That's obviously going to be a far weaker state.

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• 37:53Speaker 00

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action.

• 37:57Speaker 01

  We're having a little bit dissent in the chat, so I kind of want to just state it plainly. What is the problem that we're trying to solve when we come to like preserving the West? We're trying to preserve the culture, we're trying to preserve the identity. What is the thing that is at attack right now? Because I think values sometimes get into this ought versus the what is, like, what is the problem that's happening? What is the policy? What is the thing that we need to adjust so that way, this resulting thing doesn't happen? And I think right now, we're in the philosophical.

• 38:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, let's look at Lebanon. So, Lebanon was, I don't remember how many years ago, but Lebanon was a majority Christian country. And the, the very thing that makes Christianity great also creates a potential exploitable thing, which is that Christians want, they're tolerant by decree. It's like, part of the Bible is about being tolerant and loving, and whether you're a prostitute or a leper, it's like, you're just as valuable as a human and worthy of love and all of that. And so, it becomes very difficult for certainly modern-era Christians to put up walls and say, no, no, no, you can't come in here,

• 39:07Speaker 00

  you're not welcome here. It feels very un-Christian. And so, radical Islamists will take advantage of that. They do not believe in your liberal policies. They do not believe that that's what God wants. They believe in Sharia law, and they're going to manifest that. And so, that's exactly what happened. And Islam ended up taking over Lebanon. Lebanon went from being the, in the 60s, went from being known as the Paris of the Middle East, considered one of the most beautiful places on earth, a place that was safe, prosperous, to now being war-torn. I mean, if you want to imagine a brutal place to live, you might conjure up Beirut. I mean, that was certainly like the poster child in the 90s for what that

• 39:49Speaker 00

  looks like, to be a war-torn nation. So, a collision of values is a very bloody thing. And, I mean, if you want to, if anybody's watched The Man in the High Castle, it's an alternate take on history where what if Japan and the Nazis had won? And it's a very different world. It's an oppressive regime. Any time where you don't allow dissent, your only option is violence. China discovered that, and, well, I mean, it really discovered it in the early days of Mao's rule, but it discovered it again during Tiananmen Square, where people wanted to push further. They didn't just want free markets, they wanted

• 40:30Speaker 00

  freedom. And the government rolls tanks in and just kills a bunch of people. I actually know somebody, believe it or not, a Jewish guy of, you know, these days, that's so weird, but Jewish guy that was, ended up playing a huge role in the, in his one little area. But he brought American finance to China, was funding Chinese companies, and wanted to help bring all of the lessons of capitalism to China and help in that phase. He said it was the most incredible thing he was ever a part of. And he was like, I know that this will forever be the, the most special thing that I've, I've ever been involved in in my life. And he was like, I was in Tiananmen Square when the bullets started flying. And he was like, you watch someone's head explode, that's 10 feet from you. And he was like, it, you know, it's, it's completely surreal. And, so...

• 41:16Speaker 00

  For all the things that they've done to try to hide that, that is what it looks like to have to repress people when you're bringing a new value system on top of what people don't want. I think people have a natural bent to want to be able to say what they believe is true. Again, I'm not saying that people are west, western by default, not at all. But I'm saying that we all have that impulse to say, this is what I want. I want to be able to pursue the things that I want. And inevitably, when the thing that you want doesn't line up with what the government wants, then if you don't have an outlet to debate, to vote for somebody, to get the guy that you don't like in power, out of power, then you become violent. And then the state has to decide whether it backs off and lets you overtake,

• 41:58Speaker 00

  or whether they just hammer down and kill, kill, kill until you fall silent again. So that, when you are asked to live in a way, and to bring this back to radical Islam versus the West, if you think of it as, okay, what does modern tolerant Christianity look like? It looks like the Pope giving a blessing to the gay community. It looks like the Supreme Court in America passing gay marriage. It looks like a truly tolerant pluralistic society, where people can pursue the things that they want, that they can have religion the way that they want to have it,

• 42:41Speaker 00

  that even if the dominant culture's God says, we need to do it this way.

• 42:48Speaker 00

  In the West, we have said, no, you need to strip those two things out. They need to be separate things. And so you've got Christian ethos, but Christianity itself isn't in the government. And so it's deep secularization. It's far more freedoms than you're going to find in other places colliding with, no, no, no. God gave us a final revelation. It's written in the book, and you're going to adhere to that. And there was a clip the other day, I think I may have pulled it, so it might not be in this one. It might be in a previous day's live, we never ended up talking about it. But it was a group of, and I can't remember if they were in America or if they were in the UK, but if I remember right, they were speaking English.

• 43:29Speaker 00

  And it's a huge group, but like imagine in a ballroom in a hotel. Huge group, I mean, these just look like normal fucking people, man. And you've got an Imam at the front, and he says, okay, everybody's talking about how Muslims are radical, and like, this is all ridiculous. So how many of you guys consider yourself radical Muslims? Not a single hand goes up. And he says, okay, how many of you believe that?

• 43:59Speaker 00

  Does he say the Quran? I'm going to give you the gist, this is all paraphrased, but boy, I'm not overselling it, this I assure you. And Ryan, even if I have to track this down after the fact, and like drop it in Discord or something, remind me, because I, I'm going to represent this neutrally. But I assure you, this is what was being said. So are any of you radical? Nope, all the hands down. Are we all just normal people living our normal life? Hands down, they all look, again, just completely western, completely normal. And he says, but do we believe that the Quran is the word of God? Yes. Do we believe that the punishments that God puts forth in the Quran are accurate? So whether that's stoning, or murder, or whatever. And they all raised their hand. And I was just like, whoa.

• 44:40Speaker 00

  So this guy was making the argument that when you believe that the Quran has laid out for you precisely how you should behave, then it's like, there's nothing radical about that. That's just, this is what we believe, these are the values. So when you look at Iran specifically, because they are a theocratic regime, they believe that the state should be run by the word of God, you get a very different country than you get in America. And so the question becomes for people, how will you feel? For instance, when gay marriage is immediately abolished, when gay people go back to getting stoned to death? How will you feel?

• 45:23Speaker 00

  Because that's what it's like to have a value system that is not yours put on you by force, and you have no way out from under it.

• 45:30Speaker 01

  So the, the objective is a majority Christian nation, so that way our constitution can be projected. And the fear is that Muslims will come into the US, take over political power, change the constitutions, and do all these things that.

• 45:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, see, this is where I, for anybody that wades into these waters, it becomes very deranging. Because I spent three or four minutes at the beginning of this saying, you absolutely must separate radical Islamists from Muslims. But yet, in the retelling, and I think you're being very sincere, in the retelling of what I just said, you said Muslims, not radical Islamists.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  Okay, but the difference is like, there's not a radical Islamist card, it's going to be blanket statements. So while there's.

• 46:10Speaker 00

  You have to tease these out, otherwise it will be completely deranging. Because, and this is where the Muslim community, the, I'll call the secularized or the reformed Muslim community, needs to be the vanguard, the tip of the spear. And that's why, we've played it multiple times, I've seen other people.

• 46:29Speaker 01

  I think they're not the tip of the spear, though, because I think a lot of times, we're the one pushing that point. So while I agree that there is a difference between radical Islam and Muslim, when an attack like this happens, it becomes a get them out, it's not a get radicals out.

• 46:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that, that's the, that's the populist refrain. And that's why, that's the very thing that I'm trying to be careful with.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 46:49Speaker 00

  And this is, this is me, that like, my tone right now, like if we were talking about the economy, or we were talking about Mom Donnie, we can both agree that I'd be very animated, and I'd be like practically banging the table. I have, I feel when talking about that, that I have to ratchet up to really get people to take that seriously. And because the DSA is neither a religion nor a race, it feels very clean. I can just bang my drum and truly fuck anybody that wants communism. It's, it's so deadly, I just, there's no need, there's no like, no, no, no, those are the good communists. But with a religion that has whatever, two billion people in it, boy, do you have to be careful.

• 47:33Speaker 00

  And I also think that people are going to get very confused if, take the UAE. It's a Muslim majority country. Bro, that, when you're on the ground there, it feels largely secular. I won't say entirely secular, but it feels largely secular. Like, you feel good. I get why a bunch of western-minded people go there, because they're really trying to play an economic game. They're really trying to make life great for their people. Will I say they're going all the way to religious freedom? No, but like, they make caveats for people that don't have the religion. And so they do the things to welcome people, to show a level of tolerance. And they feel like they're on a trajectory where it's like, this becomes more secular over time, and not less secular over time. And I think that that will be a transition that's not going to give anybody heart palpitations.

• 48:18Speaker 00

  That one feels like, much like Christianity was far more muscular, far more willing to defend itself with swords and cannons and shit back in the day, to, it doesn't feel like that anymore. And America sort of becomes a crowning achievement of post doctrine, doctrine-led Christianity, and becomes a very secular nation where we specifically state that we're going to keep these two separate, even though the founders were very profoundly

• 48:45Speaker 00

  Christian by culture. So, all of that, okay. That to say, you invite a derangement if you don't take care to separate those two things. Meaning it isn't accurate, and you will be very confused. And life will be hard to predict, because you're going to meet a gazillion Muslims, and they're all going to be dope. And you're going to be like, what's the problem? It's like, well, let me explain. If you have somebody that is secular, and they're like, hey, I want to do my thing. This is what I believe, this is how I'm going to live my life. But I don't want that to be the government, and I don't want the government to rule over. And they're being sincere, obviously, there are going to be some people who try to hide behind that. But there are going to be way more people that are like that, that are sincere,

• 49:29Speaker 00

  and just trying to live their life and do their thing, and let them do their thing. And again, reminding everybody, it's not a fucking race. But that is one thing. So if you were trying to recapture my beliefs and say, okay, so wait a second, you're saying radical Islam is going to come into a country with the goal of taking over? And they list the ways they're going to take over. They take over through the womb, they take over through the sword, like, there's four things. Anyway, they, they'll just come out and say it, they're radical, but they'll come out and say it. Not saying that's the belief of every Muslim. But they will come out and just say, these are the ways that we're going to do it. And so, given that, if you just run the demographic numbers, you end up there,

• 50:13Speaker 00

  then you have to ask people who are already here, how you want to handle that situation? Do you want to let the demographics take over your country? Or do you want to say, yeah, this doesn't make sense, we need to bring in a certain number and pause, and then you need to integrate, you see how well that goes, do they become American? Like, I heard Jillian Michaels, of all people, talking about this. And she was like, oh, I didn't find out that I was a third Jewish until I was in my 30s. And she was like, I was raised, Gen Xers all day, we were all raised that like, you were American. So like, I have a friend who, or had a friend, who was Dutch. And his parents were told, like, don't teach them Dutch. They're American, teach them English, and that's the thing.

• 50:54Speaker 00

  And so you grow up with this weakening identity of where you came from. Like, technically, I'm like 60% Dutch, a bunch German, and a little bit of smattering of other European stuff. I have no sense of that, I'm just American. Like, when I say, I do not have any emotional connection to those countries, none whatsoever. So that created a bunch of Americans. People came here because they wanted their kids to grow up American. And that is shifting. And people are now staying cloistered in these little groups. And so that is going to change the fabric of a country. Now, if your belief system is, oh, I want my kids to grow up the way that I grew up. I want my kids to have the same identity of being an American that I have,

• 51:38Speaker 00

  then it's like, well, you're going to have to do things to ensure that that's true. Because whoever is politically and economically most powerful, they're going to control the culture of your country. And then eventually, they will control your politics, and then everything, once they have culture and politics, like, it's game over. So, we have to decide as the West, are we willing to defend that? And if we're not, then it goes away.

• 52:03Speaker 01

  Okay, I think this is a-

• 52:04Speaker 00

  But did that actually address it? Like, what's the most, like, venomous, ideally, the strongest, the person who thinks I'm just absolutely retarded? And they have a cogent argument, so that I can figure out what either belief-based assumption they have that guides their thinking? Or-

• 52:22Speaker 01

  Um, there's a few. So some said the rebuttal to the Christians separate certain church and state is being forced upon because, like, the recent abortion bans. Because I don't want to abort a baby, you're killing a living- I mean, that's a Christian notion that affects actual people. That is now a law that is passed. So yes, it's not Sharia law where people are getting stoned, but we do have Christian laws that are dictating policy.

• 52:44Speaker 00

  Yes, because we are, by culture, a Christian nation.

• 52:48Speaker 01

  But that is the opposite of you saying we need a Christian majority because we're more tolerant and we don't let our religion dictate our laws.

• 52:55Speaker 00

  No, it doesn't. So here's what people have to understand. There is a big difference between the scripture becomes the laws and people who believe in the thing have a value system that was created by the scripture. So with or without-

• 53:08Speaker 01

  Isn't that the same with the Muslims, though? The scripture becomes the law, but the-

• 53:12Speaker 00

  Yes, yes, yes. This is precisely what I'm saying. You must separate Muslims from radical Islamists.

• 53:17Speaker 01

  No, no, but so then that also applies to Christians, it applies to every religion. Because the-

• 53:23Speaker 00

  It applies to every belief system, value system, for sure. This is the point I'm trying to make about culture. Everybody is soaked in a culture. Whether they are religious or not, if you grew up in the eighties in America, you grew up awash in a Christian culture. Even if you were of like, the, what is it, the Baha'i faith, or you were Buddhist, or whatever, you still grew up in a country that, where the laws were being made by people who were culturally Christian. There are just base assumptions that you have because we are all trapped inside of a frame of reference. And you don't even realize all the different ways that that is playing out.

• 54:02Speaker 00

  So what I'm trying to get to is, yes, your country, the policies are going to be influenced by whatever values the people hold. And so if you invite people into your country that do not hold your values and do not want to assimilate to your values, you're going to have a problem. There is going to be a collision between the new value set and the old value set. It's just that simple. And so what I'm trying to understand from the community is if they're saying, "Well, I'm already being knocked around by people who have Christian values, and I don't feel good about that."

• 54:41Speaker 00

  It's like, yeah, the value system in America is already beginning to fracture, long before this happened. And so the value system that kept America on a more cohesive path was Christianity. As time goes by, as that weakens, you see the value system beginning to fracture, for sure. And so it'll be a question of, okay, does that slowly evolve? And we evolved together, and 200 years, everything looks very different, but we're still cohesive? And you have minor skirmishes at the level of abortion debate, because keep in mind, there's 50 states, and all the Supreme Court decisions said was the states now get to make their decision. And so people are going to get to vote. And yes, you will be beholden to the people that actually vote what their value system is, 1,000%. That's the way this all works.

• 55:25Speaker 00

  And so what I'm saying is, do you want to bring in more people that have a different value system than you? Or are you like, "Hey, I have a value system that more closely aligns with Islam. And so I want people with Islamic values to come in." And that's what they're going to fight for, obviously, because they know if their value system can be the majority, then the laws and the policies and the traditions and customs are all going to be aligned with what they want. And so what I'm saying is, the very question we have to ask and answer is, do we believe in what we believe enough to say, "Nope, I'm not bringing people in that don't believe this." Period.

• 56:00Speaker 00

  And now, Chad's just like, "I'm there, I'm with you." It's a period from my side, but you're saying there's dissent in chat. And so far, I've not heard anybody that actually has a cogent argument. They're arguing maybe with something in their own head, they're arguing with a version of me that isn't real, that is certainly possible. Uh, they misunderstood my argument, that is certainly possible. But it's like, dude, if that question is going to be answered, and right now, the answer is that the- the thing that animates the left in the West right now is a sense of guilt

• 56:40Speaker 00

  that we are a war-propagating nation and we need to be stopped, that the billionaire class has completely bastardized our entire country, um, that the, um, ownership class is predatory towards the working class. Like, that's what animates the left. And because of that, they want people, obviously far out on the left, but the DSA is the life of the Democratic Party right now. For that, you want, um, brothers and sisters in revolution. And they are finding that with radical Islam. And again, we've seen this exact pairing play out before.

• 57:23Speaker 01

  Um, Zaden in the chat, "Why did common values in Europe lead to World War I and World War II?"

• 57:30Speaker 00

  That, I think, gets to what is the true nature of

• 57:36Speaker 00

  human pettiness, sibling rivalry, because it was cousins that ended up going to war with each other. And so you've got these petty motherfuckers that have now spread out to be the royal families of different countries, and they start fighting with each other. Um, now, the specifics of World War I, I'm far more familiar with World War II. Um, but the specifics of World War I, I'll have to defer to historians. But on the very high level, just because you share Christian values does not mean you feel like you're being treated fairly, or you're getting all of your just desserts.

• 58:16Speaker 00

  Uh, and so, of course, people, just like you see in Ireland, you have people that are both Christian, but they believe their team is right. And so minor differences and interpretations of the Bible create wars between them because of the way that the human mind goes. "I'm on this team, you're on that team, and we're now going to fight over scarce resources, whether that's land, whether that's, um, just who's in charge, I don't want you to be above me, I'm, so, you know, we're going to end up colliding." Economics gets in the mix, and so if you feel like they're icing you out of trade or something like that, that you're going to push back against that, you see the same thing in the Muslim world,

• 58:58Speaker 00

  where there are two major Muslim sects that are fighting against each other. And so you've got the Sunnis and the Shiites, and it's like, they're going to war, even though technically they believe in the same book. So it's going to come down to interpretations. People think that humans are making contact with ground facts, when in fact, rarely do humans make contact with ground facts. We're normally making contact with interpretation. And so people become convinced their interpretation is right, is just, it's what God wants, and they're willing to go to war with the other side. Ireland, across the Middle East, it just, it is what it is. But that's a, that's a-

• 59:33Speaker 01

  Different-

• 59:34Speaker 00

  All of this is human pettiness. Even the fact that we steer by value system is an artifact of the human mind. And remember, I don't believe there is a God. So you've got this whole thing where it's like, all of this is explained by the human mind, religion is just a layer that rides on it.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  Got it. Uh, to me, the DSA is more of a stronger argument for this because they actually have principles in- working toward dismantling things that are American fundamentalists. I think every time a Muslim does anything around the world, we have the same conversation. Um, whereas the-

• 1:00:07Speaker 00

  Do you think it's the wrong conversation? I know you're trying to transition to the DSA, but I do want to, uh, go here. So you say we have the same conversation. What is the same conversation?

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  These, "There's a threat to the West, these people want to kill us, these people want to take our spots, they want to make us shithole nations like they're, all their countries are."

• 1:00:25Speaker 00

  Okay, is that what you hear me saying?

• 1:00:26Speaker 01

  I hear you say that in a lot of words. I just chunked it down to very bombastic one sentence. Because Lebanon was your example. So you're saying Lebanon, well, it used to be good, now it's bad. Why is it bad now it's majority Muslim? Why is it bad? Because it's majority Muslim, because now it's war-torn. I don't want the US to become Lebanon.

• 1:00:42Speaker 00

  Yes, but I think we have to be very careful what we take, is my summation. Um, do you think that a violent civil war in a country is beneficial?

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  No, but I think that we can stop violent civil war, not by immigration, but by getting people houses. I think we need to talk about economics. I think we spend way too many time in this administration that has complete control of the government about why everybody else is wrong, and how we need to go internationally, how all these people over here are attacking us right now, where internally, we're being mined and stripped and, uh, drained for resources. Trump made more in the last two years than he made in his previous 60 years of life. We're not talking about that at all. We're talking about a Muslim in Germany who's now has some second-order consequence to our American way of living, instead of the person that is actively hurting my American way of living today.

• 1:01:25Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  I still think we, I, there's this thing, we want to fight this monster that's two weeks coming. They're always, they're 10 years away from having a nuke, they're 10 years away from taking our country. They're 10 years away, 10 years away, 10 years away. But the last 10 days, I can point to policies that this person did today that affects my neighbors, my people around the corner, whether black, white, Christian, Muslim, Republicans, Democrats, it doesn't matter, we're all paying more to gas tank. But we're not talking about that, we're talking about ideological wars that might take place in the next five years.

• 1:01:54Speaker 00

  Okay, so you have a list of very valid concerns in terms of just because, not just because, you have very valid concerns. We talk about the economy on the show nonstop. It is our core pillar. So whatever lamentation that you have, I would assume is not aimed at me. You're just saying aimed out at the broader conversation. That's very fair. All of those things are very real. All of those things have to be addressed. We're never going to get out from under this. However, one of the, the single biggest points of collision over the next 10 years is going to be radical Islam coming into the West, full stop, period, end of story.

• 1:02:39Speaker 00

  And so while it is deeply unfortunate that these things are overlapping, they're almost certainly overlapping for the underlying reasons that led us to the position that we're in, that you've got in the, in America, you have a battle between the left and the right. You have same battle happening in Europe. One of the early questions you asked is, you know, is this how you get conquered from without because you're weak within? Yes. And so to your point, how do we strengthen up from within is very important. But it does not alleviate that you are in a situation where if you don't get your immigration policy under control, if you don't know how people assimilate, it is a very known thing that will happen over the next, call it 10 to 30 years is the demographics shift.

• 1:03:24Speaker 00

  And I think that with that, you will see only violence. And so I don't understand why people wouldn't want to say, okay, we've got a handful of really big issues. We're going to have to address these. One of them is the left moving to the radical left. That's going to be hugely important. One of them is the economics as you laid out. And then one of them is that you are destabilizing your own culture. And those are probably the big three. And so if you look at political destabilization, economic destabilization and cultural destabilization, you can't address one of them. You can't address two of them. You must address all three of them. Because failing to address any one of them, you still have a problem.

• 1:04:08Speaker 00

  Imagine you have a house that is on fire, full of people dying of the plague. And you have armed people outside of the house, killing people as they run out the door. It's like, yeah, all of those have to be addressed. You can't skip any of them.

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  That's very true, but I feel like in this argument, the analogy would be all those three things are happening, but we're talking about the mayor election that's happening next week.

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  It's a distraction from the things that, that I think the top three things that we should be worried about. Islam migration is not in the top three. That's me.

• 1:04:42Speaker 00

  Okay, what are your top three?

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  Economics.

• 1:04:46Speaker 00

  So.

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  Education, healthcare.

• 1:04:48Speaker 00

  Education. Interesting. Okay, so I will say that those are largely economics, all in one basket, but you're looking at like subfields of the same problem.

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:05:01Speaker 00

  So it's great. I don't need you to be animated by the same things I'm animated by. So I will simply say you've made your case. I think it's very clear. I am, it does not change my priority list. I think this is incredibly important to continue to discuss. So yeah, we'll keep discussing it.

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  Now, DSA, in their own words, they sat down with Fox News. I feel like Fox News set them up because I don't know why this person is saying it so boldly with their chest.

• 1:05:27Speaker 00

  This is the co-chair of the DSA. I was honestly, for a second, when I watched it. So I watched it side unseen, just let me hear what she has to say. I thought that this was a false flag. I, because I'm almost certain, I can't prove it, but I'm almost certain that Fox has had people on in masks before to talk about different topics, like opposite sides of the topic. I could be being totally sucked into propaganda here, but I have seen people showing this guy that admittedly looks like the same guy under the mask, taking different sides of issues. And so I'm like, this has to be that. This has to be a false flag. Fox is trolling. There's no way this is real. Because the things that she's saying are so insane that I was like, it's not possible.

• 1:06:09Speaker 00

  And so I looked her up. She's the co-chair, national co-chair of the DSA. This is insane.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  National co-chair, socialist with Presbyterian characteristics is how she acknowledges herself. Now let's get back to her actual interview where she sat down with, I don't know who she sat down with. This lady from Fox News.

• 1:06:28Speaker 03

  So we're going to put up on the screen a few of the things that are part of your platform. And I want to ask you, just give me sort of a true or false on these. Abolish the Senate. True. Okay. Replace the presidency and Supreme Court as we now know them. Yep. Abolish ICE.

• 1:06:46Speaker 03

  Absolutely. Abolish borders and give amnesty to anyone currently in the US illegally.

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  As a long-term plan, yep. Defund the Pentagon.

• 1:06:58Speaker 03

  Absolutely. Abolish prisons, at least in large part.

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, again, that is part of a long-term program. Yeah. Okay, so no prisons. Government or public ownership of most large corporations? Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:07:15Speaker 00

  That, that is just straight up communism. This is so wild. Do you know how authoritarian you have to be to do all of those things? Like this, this is completely unmasked. This is the DSA without their mask off, telling you exactly what world they are trying to build. Now, keep in mind, they talk very specifically about giving their candidates different messaging than they actually hold as a platform. And so you're going to see candidates like Mom Donnie talk as if, no, no, no. Like, oh, why are you guys scared? This is, oh, ha, ha, ha. This is all being blown out of proportion. When in reality, this is actually what they're trying to do. Now, when you start looking at, oh, wait a second, why do they want to do this?

• 1:07:59Speaker 00

  So the Senate, if you don't understand what the point of the Senate is, then that might not seem like a big deal. Yeah, why don't we just have Congress? Like, that would be way better. It's simple. It represents the people. It's all based on how many of the country's people are in your state. That's your power. You're just representing the people. Okay, remember, America was founded on one driving core principle, that power corrupts. And if you understand that you both need a government and must fear that the government is prone to tyranny, that the government itself will become tyrannical over time, and you must protect yourself from it. They did not make a republic on accident. They made it very much on purpose to have checks and balances to keep any one person from coming into office

• 1:08:43Speaker 00

  and then just absolutely wreaking havoc. Now, if you absolutely hate Trump, you need to be very grateful for the founders who were designed, or designed a government to protect you from things like that. Now, take the Senate specifically. The way that the Senate works is every state, no matter how big, no matter how small, they get two representatives. And the reason that you do that is even though you might have a state that has a much smaller population, it allows the minority to fight back against a majority that would otherwise tyrannize them because they have more power. The weirdest thing in the world is that every government must become very muscular so that they can defend themselves against enemies foreign and domestic.

• 1:09:27Speaker 00

  And at the same time, they need to check themselves so that they don't become the very monster that they're trying to fight back against. And this is like, when I hear people go to bat for China, I'm just like, what are we talking about? You have a government there where the second Xi has a bad idea, he can just completely drive the country off a cliff. And anybody that goes against him is just shot and killed. Okay? We saw this play out in Iran. Somewhere between a couple thousand on up to 50,000, depending on whose numbers you believe, were just killed in the street. Now imagine for a second that Trump, when he took over DC and he had the National Guard in there, imagine that to get control of it, he killed 2,500 people, which I don't think anybody disputes that number out of Iran.

• 1:10:11Speaker 00

  Now imagine he killed 50,000 people. How freaked out would people be? But that's exactly what happens when you don't have checks and balances. The DSA wants to get rid of your checks and balances. So they don't want the minority to be able to speak up for itself because they believe that they're right. They believe that they have the right way that everything should be done. They are power hungry. They want power. You cannot understand radical leftists throughout history. Forget our people on the left. You can't understand radical leftists throughout history without understanding that this is a ideology based in resentment and they want power. It's not that they hate the police. It's that they want to be the police.

• 1:10:55Speaker 00

  It's not that they hate the government. They want to be the government. They want to be the people that are in power. Once you understand that, now you're going to understand the things that they put forward and the ways that they move. They have to get rid of the Senate so that they can, you get rid of borders. Remember, she just said it. You get rid of borders. You give amnesty and citizenship to all of the people that immigrate into the country. You know that they're going to want free things from the government. And so you get them in, you get rid of the Senate so the minority can't fight back. You've now got majority population because you got rid of your borders and you made everybody citizens. And now it just comes down to what state has the most people. Cities tend to be the most left-leaning and be the most populous.

• 1:11:39Speaker 00

  And so now they're going to then run those cities with rent freezes and handouts. And just as a reminder, 47% of the US government right now goes to entitlements, goes to programs where we're giving people stuff. As a reminder, in the last 10 years, the US budget has nearly doubled. So we are bringing in people from all around the world. We are giving them access to government programs. We are experiencing the largest workforce reduction in American history. So more people are saying, no, I just want the government to take care of me, citizen or not. And so that is the goal of the left. Make the government bigger and bigger and bigger.

• 1:12:23Speaker 00

  Strip out the minority's ability to protect, protect itself. Get rid of borders, get rid of law enforcement. And you create a situation where everybody ends up having to rely on a government that is completely delusional about how you make things safe, how you make things prosperous. And so we will end up, if we continue down this road, we will end up in the exact same place that places like Cuba have ended up, China under Mao ended up, Russia, the USSR under the communist regime. It is so crazy that A, they don't understand the economy at all. B, that they are so blinded by their own.

• 1:13:11Speaker 00

  Resentment that they cannot or will not see that this will be completely destructive to all the things that ended up pulling people out of poverty the world over, not just in America. This is a massive threat. This, in terms of, you want to talk about things that we have to protect ourselves against? This one's massive, massive.

• 1:13:34Speaker 01

  And to your point, I want to kind of double down because unlike the Muslim year thing where it's a 10-year to 30-year problem and we have to figure out when it would actually hit, come to a head. The DSA has won a few primaries. They do have cultural energy. They are increasing in political power. Now, there's only, I think, two people in the Senate that are actually card-carrying DSA members. There's about 10 that have just won primaries. We'll see if they eventually end up in the Senate and House as well. So it is one of those things that they start with one, then it leaves the two, and then eventually.

• 1:14:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, and this is the same thing that I'm trying to get people to be thoughtful of with radical Islam, is it starts small and it becomes big. And I will also, like, if people need to understand how this playbook goes, it goes like this. The US did it to the Native Americans. England has done it to many places that they colonized. You have, Muslims have done it historically into Europe. They've done it in Africa, which was Christian at one point, North Africa. They did it in the Middle East. So keep in mind, the Jews end up doing it in Israel. So, you know, if you want to ask yourself, "Well, is there a historical precedent for

• 1:14:49Speaker 00

  this working?", the answer is yes. So that's where I'm just like, boys and girls, it may be small now, but you've got to play this stuff out. And so if you want that ideology to take over, hey, fair enough. But the thing about the DSA that I really want people to understand, this is not a couple primaries. The couple primaries are the bamboo shoots finally breaking the surface. So if you guys know how bamboo grows, it takes five years roughly for the ball of roots to grow under the ground. So when you first plant bamboo, it looks like nothing is happening for year after year after year. And then all of a sudden, it breaks ground and it'll grow, I forget how much, but it's like three feet in a year or something. It's just absolutely insane. And so after a couple of years, you just have bamboo everywhere.

• 1:15:31Speaker 00

  It's considered an invasive species because once it gets in, man, it is just hard to stop and it grows so fast because you don't know it's there. And then all of a sudden, it's just shooting up. So that's the stage we are at with radical leftist ideology. It has been working its way through the education system, through the judiciary system for so long now that we're finally just becoming aware of it. But the problem is that it's been growing literally for decades on decades on decades. And so this is not something that people should be taking lightly. The only thing that I hold to with a bit of hope is that, right now, unless this is propaganda, the Democrat Party is having a very hard time getting funded. And so they just had to borrow against their own real estate in order to raise, I think,

• 1:16:16Speaker 00

  10 or 15 million dollars in debt compared to the Republicans that have like 120-plus million dollars. So my hope is that the everyday Democrat liberal is not succumbing to the far-left ideology that will break everything that has brought us prosperity.

• 1:16:38Speaker 01

  Cool. We need to talk about the Iran War. There's been some updates.

• 1:16:42Speaker 00

  There have been updates, true.

• 1:16:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's jump into that.

• 1:16:45Speaker 00

  I always find it deeply dissatisfying when I don't get whatever the biggest pushback is from the audience, but I trust you, we need to move. Okay, that's my own frame of reference. I'll set that aside. All right, here's what's confirmed. The US has stopped striking Iran by Friday night, breaking 13 consecutive nights of attacks. But the question becomes, why? Why? Now, Iran has halted its retaliatory strikes in parallel. So its army spokesperson confirmed the pause is conditional on ours holding. The naval blockade is still running, though. Over the weekend, the US military reported a dozen commercial ships redirected, two ended up getting disabled, two boarded. So there's plenty of drama going on in the Middle East. Now, when I say that there are rumors abounding as to what's going on, some people are saying,

• 1:17:28Speaker 00

  "Bro, Trump is about to hit them harder than they've ever been hit. He just needs to pull back, regroup, get things together, and then we're going to go after them hardcore." Other people are like, "Come on, bro. He's just trying to negotiate." Like, you've got to give peace a chance. You can't just keep bombing people and expecting things to go your way. So we're going to back off, we're going to go to talks. Other people are saying, and unfortunately, I find myself in this camp, that the US is running out of fucking bombs. And because we were so stupid and we completely ruined our manufacturing base and we sent it all over the world and we gutted this country's ability to be the country that

• 1:18:10Speaker 00

  we were going into World War II, that gave us the very extended period of prosperity, we are now finding out that those policy decisions have consequences. And so the fact that we are not actually able to make enough munitions to continue to prosecute this war in a very aggressive stance is going to put us in the very quagmire that we were trying to avoid. Now, I think it is, without additional information of where Iran was from building up their ballistic missile capabilities and whether they were putting themselves in a position where they were going so underground that they would, they were either almost at or actually already at the point that they could bully everybody by burying their missiles, that they could

• 1:18:55Speaker 00

  then go to a nuclear weapon because nobody would be able to stop them. And by the way, we're watching that play out. We may already be there, okay? So for anybody that tries to poo-poo that explanation, that Trump moved in because he had intel that said, "Hey, these guys are about to get to the point where we are going to be able to, we're going to be unable to stop them from getting a nuclear weapon, should they decide to do." Anybody that says that that's bullshit, I will point out, we may already be there. We may have found out, it really was too late. But without any information there, I will say that it's entirely possible we should just never have gotten into this war in the first place. So that's dumb.

• 1:19:36Speaker 00

  Let's say that, no, no, no, as the intel comes out, we'll see that Trump knew what we're now seeing, which is that we were at the last off-ramp where we had a chance to defang them enough that they couldn't bully the region and we could actually do something to stop them from getting a nuclear weapon, and so we had to move. Entirely possible that that's true. But either way, we are in the war. Now that we're in the war, whether we should be or not, we're in the war. And now, the bad news is that we do not appear to have the ability to prosecute this war. Because at this stage of the game, not making any moral statements about whether one country should or should not be able to go and bully another country, this is just where you go. Are you looking to protect your country and your interests?

• 1:20:19Speaker 00

  If you are defanging from a nuclear program and a ballistic missile program, the government on Earth that has said over and over and over and over and over and over that you're the big Satan and that they chant "Death to America", that's probably not the people that you want to have a nuclear weapon. So we're in this war. We should want to make sure that we end this war to our advantage, and at this point, we're not going to be able to do that if we cannot keep the pedal to the metal in terms of making this war so costly to Iran that they want a negotiated settlement. I don't have any reason to believe, based on actions and based on every analyst I've ever heard speak about Iran, I don't have any reason to believe anything other than

• 1:21:02Speaker 00

  the fact that they use negotiations as a stall tactic and that they do not have a plan to acquiesce. We are not able to put enough pressure on them to get them to be forced to acquiesce. And so we're both going to do this loop. We're going to go and negotiate. While we're negotiating, Iran's going to make a bunch of money selling oil, and the US is going to try to build up their stockpiles. Iran is going to build up their stockpiles. They're going to continue to go underground, deeper and deeper, to make sure that we, it's harder and harder to reach them. And so it becomes the antibiotics trap. And what happens with antibiotics, the reason that it gets so risky, and the reason they tell you, "Once you start taking antibiotics, you need to take the whole run of it and not stop just because your symptoms go away.

• 1:21:47Speaker 00

  You've got to take it all the way," is because what ends up happening is you're killing off all the weak bacteria, and the ones that are resistant to the antibiotics, that might still die if you kept going, they end up surviving and you stop early because the symptoms went away. Now they regroup and that bacteria starts multiplying, but now the only ones multiplying are the ones that are resistant to the antibiotics. And so now you took the time off, they re-colonized, you hit them again, but they're all resistant, so it doesn't do as much. You pause again because you're running out of antibiotics, they multiply again, you try to hit them again, and now all of a sudden, it's like, oh, we're in real trouble. So that feels like the exact strategy that we're running right now.

• 1:22:29Speaker 00

  So again, I'm not saying we ever should have done this in the first place, but I am saying, now that you're in it, this is the world's dumbest way to handle it. So not expecting good things to come out of this. But we don't have enough information to know which of those three reads is true. So I'm giving you my bias, but we don't have all the information yet. We'll see.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  I don't know. I get that, you know, we might be have a lack of ammunition now. But I feel like America with the Pentagon and how much money they got, they could spend something up. So I feel like if we really are in dire straits, we can hit the panic button and get a couple thousand spun up in the next thirty to ninety days. Trouble, just tell the American people that we're close on the deal because we're chilling.

• 1:23:16Speaker 00

  What story runs in your head that makes you think that's true? Can you pinpoint it?

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  Yes. When you have enough money, you can mobilize anybody to do anything. And Pentagon has the most money of every government branch that we have had in the last ten, in the last ten years. And you got Palmer Lucky and Alex Karp, who are on both sides trying to reinvent the warfare in the modern era. And I think between the two of them and Lockheed and everybody else who's seeing their margins go away, they would step up and say, yes, we'll take that contract. Yes, we'll get it done in ninety days. Yes, we'll bomb the shit out of Iran.

• 1:23:49Speaker 00

  Okay, I love that analysis. And I think that is literally the only hope. I think every day about Lucky Palmer and the fact that he is building weapons, he says for China, but he's building weapons that could be manufactured on automobile lines. The only thing that worries me about that is the narrative that America often tells itself is not about our current crop of incredible engineering talent, which I will include Elon Musk in that. We don't tell ourselves that story. We tell ourselves the story of World War Two. And there's that phenomenal quote from the Japanese Admiral, I believe, who says, I fear that we have just woken a sleeping dragon and were and filled them with a terrible resolve.

• 1:24:29Speaker 00

  And that is only possible because that does play out to be exactly correct. That's only possible because at the time we were a manufacturing powerhouse. And so right now, we might have some legacy manufacturing abilities and maybe we can sort of dust the rust off and spin back up. But I think it's going to look more like the timeline did for Ukraine to become a manufacturing superpower, which is like three years. So you're and they also had people in the world like us to send them munitions. So the problem is that this isn't going to be measured in six months. This is going to be eighteen months. This is going to be three years. And so, yes, I am such a believer in America as

• 1:25:14Speaker 00

  the collector of international talent. So Alex Karp, I believe, was born in America. Lucky Palmer was definitely born in America, but Elon's an import man. And so I believe that we have collected enough incredible talent from the world over that if we are sufficiently motivated to do this, that we will do it. The problem is, I don't know what percentage of these brilliant engineers actually believe in America. Believe that America should prosecute this war. And so I have a bad feeling that you've got brilliant engineers that are like, I don't want anything to do with the US government. I don't want to be anywhere near that. And I'm gonna get spit on, yelled at by people that see me somewhere else.

• 1:25:56Speaker 00

  Like, I don't know if you saw Tommy Robinson was at like a fight somewhere or something. I don't know. Anyway, he was in a Middle Eastern country, probably the UAE, but I don't know that for sure. And a British boxer who I believe is Muslim approached him on the red carpet and just starts berating him. So keep in mind that he's not talking about any of that. He's like there for the fight. And the guy ends up shoving him and like it like becomes a whole real thing. So imagine you're an engineer. That's not your life. You don't want to get down like that. All the dinner parties you're at, they're all like, we're culturally, the acceptable narrative is still so left. Like, if you look at all the stuff that we put out from a Hollywood standpoint, it's all left.

• 1:26:38Speaker 00

  So there's so much of like anti, certainly anti the military. So I worry that we will have a hard time recruiting the best and the brightest to focus on the military. Now, the three that we've named, those three are already bought in. They understand that America has to be muscular, has to defend itself. But I don't know that that's going to be a very popular refrain.

• 1:26:58Speaker 01

  We started with Ice Agents and we recruited a hundred thousand in no time. So I feel like when the price is right.

• 1:27:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, but you admit that we recruited a bunch of undertrained people that were creating problems. And so it's like, listen, it isn't impossible and I so want to be on your team and I love that. This is very exciting. But like, if you look, even the greatest technologists of our time, there's only one that's able to do something that that's in America. China's ungodly at this. But in America, the only people, the only person that has shown that he can build something from scratch at a rate that is just bewildering to the entire rest of humanity is Elon Musk. And right now Elon Musk isn't involved in the war effort at all, at least not publicly. Maybe secretly he's doing something, but it's like AI, yes.

• 1:27:43Speaker 00

  And so there he'll be able to help and and not necessarily weapons, but like that'll be a big part of the cyber warfare and defense. And there there will be a lot that we can do there. And so maybe I'm discounting that too much. But that's my only concern that Palmer's amazing. Maybe I don't understand like how good he is at spinning up manufacturing facilities, but having spun up a manufacturing, multiple manufacturing facilities myself, that shit is hard and it's time consuming. So I will be surprised if this happens as fast as we want it to.

• 1:28:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think the one positive about Elon is that he set the trend. So it's kind of like Ray Kroc. Everybody talks about McDonald's and Ray Kroc. And it's not that he's a genius because he made burgers, but he was a genius for two reasons. One, he did an assembly line fact way of food and that never happened before. So Starbucks, Denny's, all these other subsequent chains came because McDonald's said, okay, one burger here, one pet here. It's a one, two, three system for food, anything that we've seen with like cars. But the second thing that people love is like, once they've seen that, then everybody's able to take that and then duplicate that model. So I think like Ray Kroc, Elon has set an engineering standard that I think a lot of other tech bros both argue and they, you know, Elon is a Superman. That's their Jordan equivalent. Everybody wants to be like Elon. They think he's the best ever.

• 1:28:59Speaker 01

  So it's one of those things that I think he created this system that other people would emulate, especially if the Pentagon is writing the checks, especially like they want to get their man to like, oh, I can be the next this guy. And depending on, throw me five hundred billion to save the war, save the like America. I'll take that narrative. I'll become a saint. And yes, people won't like me, but I'll get a hundred million subs on Elon on Twitter's at on X and, you know, a house somewhere and presidential pets on the back.

• 1:29:26Speaker 00

  Fingers crossed. We'll see.

• 1:29:28Speaker 01

  We'll get there. We'll get there. Okay, we got a bunch of supers coming up, but I want to kind of

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  I want to force in this Fed conversation. I know we have like thirteen seconds to talk about it though, but.

• 1:29:41Speaker 00

  We can speed run. This will be, you'll have to probably pull me off. This is very much like a dog with a bone here. But there's something very interesting going on. Okay, so this thing started recently going viral on X. We'll play it and then I'll give you a little background on the clip itself. It's was not what I expected when I started doing the research.

• 1:30:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's worrisome. You know, the Fed basically has become now just a giant hedge fund. It's lost a trillion dollars, you know, and counting. It's going to be a gigantic loss. What it does is borrows money at five point four percent from banks and then dumps it into government bonds. So think what that trade does. That causes the government to think that it's better off than it is. And so that encouraged and the government to be short when rates were zero. So why did the government, you know, borrow so much in T bills? Well, because the Fed was buying the bonds and it made it look like yields were going to stay low for, remember the low for long phrase.

• 1:30:45Speaker 04

  So we've got these multiple problems that are going on and it endangers the dollar. So that's the base.

• 1:30:52Speaker 00

  Okay, so here's the interesting thing. This clip is two years old.

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:30:57Speaker 00

  So I'm like, okay, why is this like popping off now? And I was like, first of all, he's making some wild fucking claims. Go back to the very beginning of this clip and hit play again. Listen to what he's, I'm going to, he's only going to get a couple of sentences in. I'm going to tell you to stop. But listen to the claim that he says at the beginning.

• 1:31:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's worrisome. You know, the Fed basically has become now just a giant hedge fund. It's lost a trillion dollars, you know, and counting. It's going to be a gigantic loss. What it does is borrows money at five point four percent from banks and then dumps it into government bonds.

• 1:31:33Speaker 00

  So think what. How does the Fed borrow money from banks?

• 1:31:36Speaker 01

  I thought they gave money to the banks.

• 1:31:38Speaker 00

  Correct. So why is he saying that they borrow money from the banks?

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  Help me, Tom. I don't know the answer.

• 1:31:44Speaker 00

  Bro, this shit made me wanna ram my head through a glass wall. This is where I realize, God, you start really learning about the economy and then you come across Steve Keen. You're like, wait, there are parts of this, by the way, I cannot wait to talk to him about how he factors GDP. Cause anyway, he's doing a thing there that is not embraced by the world at large. Uh, so there's much to research there, but nonetheless, realize like, oh, there's a part of this that I was not thinking about. I'd heard it before, but it, it didn't take hold. So this guy says, uh, the Fed is borrowing money from banks. And I was like, what? What do you mean? The Fed prints money? What are we talking about here? How does the Fed borrow money from banks? And I was like, that isn't the mechanism by which this works. And that both is and isn't true.

• 1:32:29Speaker 00

  So here's how money comes into being. So when you have, you wanna issue government debt. So by law, if you run a deficit, then you, you have to get the capital for that deficit through government bonds. So you're gonna sell those government bonds. Now, if people have money that's already been distributed and they wanna buy those bonds, then you, you're not, there's no inflation. People buy them and they say, this is what I wanna do with my money. This is how I'm gonna put my money to work. Okay, cool. But when you put those out into the market, the question is, who actually buys those bonds? So when the government puts up a bond, Drew, who buys them in the initial auction?

• 1:33:08Speaker 01

  The people, the banks, the corporations?

• 1:33:10Speaker 00

  Right, all of them, right? False. It's just the banks. So I, I actually don't know about corporations, but I know for sure, I'm almost certain only the banks.

• 1:33:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:19Speaker 00

  People can't. A normal person is not allowed to buy debt from the government.

• 1:33:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:25Speaker 00

  So they buy it, uh, the banks first buy that debt. So the money now comes into existence as debt, as interest bearing debt. Okay, so now when the Fed becomes the borrower of last resort, what they will end up doing is if they're doing quantitative easing, they're gonna go buy that government debt from the bank with money that they created. So they brought that money into existence by putting reserves into the bank's account. So that money, just like, this is how the system works. Clickety-clack, the bank now has money in its reserve account, which is what they use to buy the bonds when they come on the market, should they choose to.

• 1:34:10Speaker 00

  And then as a method of quantitative easing, cause what ends up happening is the bank sort of fills their coffers. They don't wanna buy anymore. And the people have bought what they're gonna buy, they don't wanna buy anymore, cause they can buy them in the secondary auctions. And so now it's like, well, we have a deficit. We have to issue these bonds. We have to make good on this money. I just walked you through how those get out there. The Fed creates money for the banks and their reserves. The bank then buys those at initial auction. Now though, everybody's full. We don't wanna raise rates to entice the average person to buy more. So we, the Fed, end up going to the banks and buying the debt off of them.

• 1:34:53Speaker 00

  But all the money that those were bought with in the first place was created by the Fed. So the Fed gave banks money, they bought the debt, and then they act like, I've gotta borrow that money off of you, or I've gotta buy that loan off of you. Uh, it's fucking madness. And so I'm just like, wait, hold on. It's like giving somebody money and then borrowing it back off of them. That shit is wild. And that, but that's exactly what happens. Now, I'm sure that when you go down looking at, you have to, it's like this arms race. You have to charge the interest. You have to get it into the system somehow. There has to be a mechanism by which people are incentivized to loan or not loan the money to buy, to hold. And so I won't be surprised that once you decide you're going to have a central bank, these are the things that you have to do.

• 1:35:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:37Speaker 00

  But dude, as you start like going in and like pulling it apart, you start realizing, hold on. Also hedge funds, their whole thing is just arbitrage. I've never really stopped to think about what the fuck is a hedge fund actually doing? A hedge fund is just arbitraging. They're buying low, they're selling high. So, uh, not selling high technically. They're buying something that has, uh, at a low interest rate. So this is the Japanese yen carry trade. This is gonna be my next area of, of like real exploration. So yen carry trade works like this. The Bank of Japan has reasons that they wanna keep their interest rates ridiculously low. Not gonna go into it now, but they have reasons. So they hold their interest rate really, really low. And then people the world over go, ooh, I can take advantage of that.

• 1:36:16Speaker 00

  So I'm only gonna pay, let's say, 2% for you, but in the US, I'm going to be able to make 5%, 10% off of the stock market. Cool, I'm gonna take a bunch of money invested in the stock market. I'm paying two here, I'm making seven here, let's say, I've got a 5% spread. Cool. And that's a hedge fund. And they basically just look for every place that they can do that kind of thing. Um, and the fact that that's how the Fed is getting themselves in trouble, which I have a feeling, though this is a feeling I haven't researched this yet. But I have a feeling this is why Kevin Warsh is saying, hey, we wanna start reducing the holdings in the Fed because of this. Because they were buying things that were, um, very low yielding. Sorry, they were, uh, selling things that were very low yielding.

• 1:37:01Speaker 00

  So what they're taking in, in interest payments is let's say one or 2%. But now what they're picking up as the quantitative easing guys is giving them an obligation of like 5, 6%. I think 5.4 is what he said there. I'm not sure what the exact number is today, somewhere between four and, four and five and a half, something like that. Uh, and so now they're hemorrhaging real dollars. Because I was like, well, hold on, the, the Fed could just hold the money. Cause what people don't think about, like they'll say, oh my God, like people are so underwater. Um, the value of the 10-year treasury, let's say, has gone down so much. Well, it's not gone down in nominal terms. It'll go down in real terms based on inflation. But if you hold the maturity, you get the principal back and you earn the interest that they promised to pay. They're not gonna default on that.

• 1:37:46Speaker 00

  But that's all nominal versus real. God, this is unfortunate where that's how it just gets confusing enough, people's eyes just roll back in their head. But, um, so now though, even though that is true, the discrepancy between all the assets that they own paying out, let's say 2% and the liabilities that they have, this is the Fed, of 4.5%, somewhere in that neighborhood, that gap, they're hemorrhaging billions of dollars a year. But they're not gonna hemorrhage. What are they gonna do? They're gonna print. So now they're creating this inflationary loss by bad essential, what he's calling hedge fund policy. So I'm like, dude, Hamilton did not want us to have a central bank for this fucking reason. How smart was this guy?

• 1:38:31Speaker 00

  How the fuck smart was he? Dude, he was young when he got 32. Bro, how do you figure all this shit out? Anyway, so he was like, you can't do it if you do it, because America ended up doing it very briefly. Because, uh, they understood the power of debt, but they put a ticking clock on it. So it was like 19 or 20 years. And then the central bank closed, like had to, by law, had to close. And then the whole 1913 thing. Anyway, story for another day. But it's like, once you understand how

• 1:39:02Speaker 00

  useful but deranging central banks are, you realize how we, how every empire before us has ended up here and how we've ended up here. It's like, you wouldn't have America, almost certainly, if you didn't have that 20-year stretch to like jumpstart it and get it going and take us from being a farming culture to an industrial culture. We used debt and a central bank to pull that off. And it worked so well and we grew so fast that we could actually overcome the debt, pay it off, close the bank. Now though, we're in a position, we're not growing. Not, not fast enough. Nowhere near fast enough. So now you have a mechanism that just accumulates debt, debt, debt, debt, debt, debt, debt, debt. And you can't grow your way out of it. So two times before, we've grew our way out of this problem.

• 1:39:47Speaker 00

  Period number one, the, uh, industrialization of America. Period number two, um, post-World War II. Those two times, baby. We used manufacturing, industrialization to be a global juggernaut and to grow our way out of this. Now, what is your only shot? It only has two letters.

• 1:40:05Speaker 01

  AI.

• 1:40:06Speaker 00

  You got it, baby. And so now we're going so fucking ham on like, well, if it doesn't work, we're fucked anyway. So just pour everything into AI. Fingers crossed, hope, pray, gotta get on the other side of this, cause it's our only shot of growing our way out of this. If it doesn't work, then you're back on my timeline, which we have roughly nine years left and all hell breaks loose. If it does work, then hey, what the problem is? Central banks are all good. It's so fucking wild. We are playing the most vicious game of chicken on like, if you've ever seen, there's this road in China, I think, that's like hugging up against a mountain wall and people try to walk it. And you'll like see people like on it and they're fucking trembling and their knees are shaking, cause they're soaked. Even though there's a rope, they're so terrified. It, it, if you slip, you just die. It's such like a long fall.

• 1:40:50Speaker 00

  There's no like, oh, there's that one guy that fell, but he only broke his femur. No, you're dead. Like it's just end of story. And that's the game of chicken that we're playing right now. Betting everything on AI. It's so crazy. Gallows humor to the extreme. I, it, and here's the problem.

• 1:41:06Speaker 00

  Because I need to understand cause and effect, boy, some days do I wish I'd just never gotten into the economy. There, there was like a fork in the road and I could've just gone straight into video games. And that, that, all my content's about video games. And, uh, COVID fucked it all up, Drew. COVID fucked it all up.

• 1:41:23Speaker 01

  In more ways than one. It's funny, when you were talking about the Fed and the banking's relationship, it reminded me of like OpenAI and Nvidia and how it's like, they just financed a $250 million deal to their customer that's then buying, renting stuff from them. So you're paying for a person who's renting something from you, so.

• 1:41:38Speaker 00

  It's all true.

• 1:41:39Speaker 01

  It's, it's synonymous. It's interesting that the thing that we're using to get us out of the central bank is borrowing on principles that the central bank is using. So it'd be like that.

• 1:41:47Speaker 00

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