Charlie Kirk Assassination Fallout: Left vs Right Heating Up, UK Erupts, and Elon’s Stark Warning | Tom Bilyeu Show

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• 0:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Destiny said that Republicans need to be afraid of getting killed, so they'll turn the temperature down. And in financial news, a Fed cut is expected today, and that the S and P just hit an all-time high.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  Let's jump into the what we do know, okay? The text message exchange from Tyler Robinson and what is alleged his transsexual roommate have been released. There has been some split feelings about these text messages, simply because it sounds like he's being very on the nose. But I will read it for you guys. I'll let you guys do it for it. You want to do a table read with me, Tom?

• 2:02Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's do it.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Do you want to be Robinson or the roommate?

• 2:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, I'll be Robinson.

• 2:06Speaker 01

  Okay, I got you.

• 2:07Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, here we go. Drop what you're doing, look under my keyboard.

• 2:11Speaker 01

  You're joking, right?

• 2:13Tom Bilyeu?

  I am still okay, my love. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle still. To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I'm sorry to involve you. And by the way, if you zoom in a little bit, I won't read so slowly. You weren't the only one who did it, right? I am, I am. I'm sorry. I thought they caught the person. No, they grabbed some crazy old dude then interrogated someone in similar clothing. I'd planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering. Why? Why did I do it? I, I had had enough of his hatred. Some hate can be negotiated, some hate can't be negotiated out.

• 2:56Tom Bilyeu?

  If I'm able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully they have moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it. How long have you, have you been planning this? A bit over a week, I believe. Uh, I can get close to it, but there is a squad car parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it. I'm wishing I'd circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got my vehicle. I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back grandpa's rifle. Not, sorry, this is an aside, not about me killing somebody. Just worried what I do with grandpa's rifle. Uh, I deck, I don't even know. Uh, if I had a, if it had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about prints.

• 3:40Tom Bilyeu?

  I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits. Uh, I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find prints. How the F will I explain losing it to my old man? Only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how he, remember how he was engraving bullets? The F in messages, the F in messages are mostly a big meme. If I see, notice bulge, woo woo on Fox News, I might have a stroke. All right, I'm gonna have to leave it. That really effing sucks. Judging from today, I'd say grandpa's gun does just fine. I don't know. I think that was a $2K scope. Delete this exchange. My dad wants photos of the rifle. He says grandpa wants to know, uh, who has what?

• 4:24Tom Bilyeu?

  The feds released a photo of the rifle and it is very unique. He's calling me right now, not answering. Since Trump got into office, my dad has been pretty diehard mega. I'm gonna turn myself in willingly. One of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff. Again, you and I, you are all I worry about, love. Don't take any interviews or make any comments. If any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer and stay silent. Seen. All right, as a screenwriter, this is not at all how people talk. I know nothing about this. Look, it is entirely possible that this is all just completely above board and 100% legit, but this is the weirdest way to communicate I've ever seen in my life.

• 5:05Tom Bilyeu?

  If a, if a young writer gave me dialogue like that to read, I would say, no one talks like this. Also, I would say, listen, you've got a character. He just shot somebody. He's gonna be frantic. There's gonna be an urgency to the way that he communicates. And this is like somebody who's completely calm, has all the time in the world. It's just so jarring. So I don't know what to make of it. I put this in the spreadsheet as like, join me in wearing a tinfoil hat.

• 5:35Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's just weird. It's just weird.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, and there was a tweet that you brought up that I actually kind of broke it down. This is by Rothbard 1977.

• 5:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, when I saw this, I felt so seen. I was like, okay, I'm not the only one.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  I try not to be a conspiracy theorist, but I have a really hard time believing in a short text exchange, the alleged shooter makes his confession, confirms location of the weapon, confirms the type of weapon, confirms it's wrapped in a towel, confirms his motive, exonerates the decoy, emits the bullying engravings, confirms the wardrobe change, confirms how long he's been planning it, disclosed the existence and location of a now destroyed pre-written confession note, randomly tells his boyfriend that his dad is diehard MAGA, as if it weren't already known, given the nature of their relationship. That's a big one for me.

• 6:16Tom Bilyeu?

  I know.

• 6:16Speaker 01

  And is worried about his dad, grandpa, being upset if he doesn't come home with the rifle, not the fact that he just used it to commit a murder. Not to mention, a 20-year-old terminally online zoomer, using phrases like squad car, drop point, swept the area, my vehicle, till I died of old age, my old man. I'm sorry, I just don't believe it. Also, like, I worry about you, love, seemed a little bit like old too. I don't.

• 6:38Tom Bilyeu?

  That one didn't, I guess, set my teeth on edge. Like, I could see talking to Lisa like that. I still do talk to Lisa like that, in fairness. So, I don't know. That didn't bother me. But the rest was so weird. Just from a flow of conversation, it's just bizarre. It's just bizarre. I don't know, man. Listen, the, somebody, I mean, not be unclear. Tyler, shot, Charlie Kirk. So, this is already weird. This is already hyperdramatic. And of course, things are gonna spiral out of control. People are gonna have every conspiracy under the sun. So, I certainly don't want to go that far. But the text exchange is just bizarre.

• 7:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Even if all I've just learned is that to be in the mind state to murder somebody, like, you've got to put your head in the most bizarre place ever. And so, you are no longer engaging with the stimulus around you in a normal way. Fine. I don't need to say that, like, the tweet that we just read suggests that there's something fishy here. It's just so bizarre. Perfectly happy to take this as a revelation that he was distressingly calm at a time where he should have been heightened and wasn't. And that ends up being the takeaway. But woof, very weird.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. And Scott Jennings tweeted after this that first, the left tried to convince us the man who killed Charlie Kirk was a conservative. That failed. Now, we're seeing multiple attempts to frame this as some transgender love story. Enough. It's time to accept the glaring truth that is staring into you right in the face.

• 8:16Tom Bilyeu?

  By the way, is that Montel Williams?

• 8:17Speaker 01

  That is Montel Williams.

• 8:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow.

• 8:18Speaker 02

  Talking about a love torn child, a kid. This is probably his first real relationship. And somebody was disparaging the person that he loved.

• 8:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Pause it for a second.

• 8:29Speaker 02

  He sat on that.

• 8:29Tom Bilyeu?

  If anyone has ever wondered what I mean by frame of reference, this is what I mean by frame of reference. Like, be charitable for a second to Montel Williams and that he is not trying to fake people out, that he's really telling you what he believes. The way that he, the, this, the information is going into his brain, in a way, and it's fractaling off of all the things that he believes. And it doesn't matter what you look at. It matters what you see and all that stuff. And what outputs is this.

• 8:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Extremely charitable interpretation of this is a lovelorn kid and he feels judged and he the person he loves the most in the world is being attacked and so he waited until they said trans and then he just felt so triggered that he had to kill him.

• 9:15Tom Bilyeu?

  What? The way that this information hits my brain is so fucking different that I'm like, yo, th- this is where honestly, I am utterly convinced that my way of interpreting this is the right way, but this is a potent reminder that we all see the world so differently. It is crazy that when I say this is a Rorschach test, this is what I'm talking about. Now, there are going to be some people that are just truly bad faith actors. They are just trying to manipulate you, James Burnham. They are trying to control the narrative. They want you, they know they can manipulate what you see. And so they're going to like redefine things. They're going to point you in a different direction and they know some people are going

• 9:58Tom Bilyeu?

  to follow them along. But even if you just go, this is how the human mind works. We're gonna watch two worldviews right now collide. So yeah, we'll play it on.

• 10:13Speaker 02

  For 30 minutes before he took the shot. Why did he wait until the first word trans came up? Then he took the shot.

• 10:19Speaker 03

  You think he heard it? You could, he could hear it?

• 10:20Speaker 02

  I think he could hear it. I think he also, I don't believe he was motivated politically. I think this was motivated emotionally.

• 10:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Guys, ack. Ack. So I'm not saying a hundred percent, like you a hundred percent have emotion. Like this kid has allowed his thinking to derange to the point where he really believes it is okay to kill somebody for what they think, not what they do, what they think. You're encountering my worldview. Uh, but holy Jesus, like if you were trying to say, ah, maybe this isn't as bad as we think. This is like the Luigi Mangione stuff. That, that to me is also just disgusting in the highest order. If you have allowed yourself to dehumanize other people to the point where you're like, yeah, but I don't like what he was doing from a business perspective and he's causing people to die through his policies

• 11:13Tom Bilyeu?

  and so literally murder him on the street.

• 11:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow, crazy.

• 11:20Speaker 04

  The evidence here is overwhelming.

• 11:24Speaker 04

  He said, Charlie Kirk, I can't stand this hate anymore. I'm going to take him out. He, the testimony from him and the statements of his family, he had become more left wing. He etched the statements that are made by the left about Republicans and conservatives and Charlie Kirk fascist on the bullet casing.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  He made a joke about it in his last text.

• 11:45Speaker 04

  Well, it doesn't sound like a joke to me because someone's dead and about to be buried. So it doesn't sound like a joke to me. So, so I'm just telling you, there is an effort, there was an effort all weekend long on the left to try to make this guy sound like he was a conservative. That failed. That was passed around all over the weekend. That has now failed. The evidence has now come out. He was motivated by hate. He was motivated by left wing radicalism. He got mixed up with some trans ideology in his life. We'll learn more about that, I'm sure, when more evidence and testimony comes out. We are looking around the edges of this for something other than what's staring us in the face. Left wing radicalism got this kid. He went up to a roof and he murdered our friend and that's what happened.

• 12:29Tom Bilyeu?

  I actually think Scott Jennings breakdown of that is accurate. Left wing radicalism seems to be early days, maybe more will come out, but by the telling that we have right now, that is perfectly plausible. This kid grew up in a mega household, became radicalized when he went to college on left wing trans ideology and decides this guy has to go. That read makes perfect sense to me. Where I start derailing on the right is that they cannot see that, that Charlie has, they're either using Charlie as cover to now start doing the same thing in the opposite direction, or they can't see that Charlie's put them so deeply in their emotions that now it just

• 13:12Tom Bilyeu?

  feels completely justified to start saying the same thing to other people. And we're going to show a clip later or a tweet, I think it was, where Elon just straight says, "The left is evil." And it's like, ah, that, that is exactly the same as calling Trump Hitler. And if you get the entire right just droning on now for years that the left is evil, like they're all radicalized, you can't negotiate with them, which is things that were coming out of J.D. Vance's mouth. It's going to have the same effect. So it's like a little self-awareness, please, boys and girls, so that somebody can pump the brakes on this. All right, we got the JD Vance clip pulled up. Let's hit it.

• 13:54Speaker 05

  There is no unity with people who scream at children over their parents' politics. There is no unity with someone who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to excuse his murder. There is no unity with someone who harasses an innocent family the day after the father of that family lost a dear friend. There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination. And there is no unity with the people who fund these articles, who pay the salaries of these terrorist sympathizers, who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband and father, deserved a shot to the neck because he spoke words with which

• 14:34Speaker 05

  they disagree. Did you know that the George Soros Open Society Foundation and the Ford

• 14:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Foundation- All right, let's stop before we get into the NGO stuff. So the NGO stuff, I think, is really powerful. I just did an interview with Mike Benz. Shout out to Drew for locking that down. Incredible. Mike Benz's work is fascinating. Early days, I need to find people that challenge him directly to make sure that I'm not latching on to one frame of reference, one mental map. But he has so much internal logic, and it really does point to NGOs being wildly problematic. We'll set that aside for now. So getting into what JD Vance is saying here. Now, the fascinating thing for me is that JD Vance is right. You can't unify with people that are unhinged, deranged, running up to you, screaming at

• 15:21Tom Bilyeu?

  your kids, you know, like, that's somebody that you can't reason with. My beef is that if you now start making blanket statements about the left is evil, the left is impossible, we can't unify with them, now you're just ratcheting up the rhetoric of left versus right. It's politically expedient, but it sacrifices the country in the long term. And, man, I will just invite everybody, if you can hear my voice right now, please start benchmarking us off of China. China is your real threat. And- If we tear ourselves apart from the inside, we leave ourselves vulnerable to being overtaken, even just economically by China. And so we so don't have our eyes on the right prize.

• 16:04Tom Bilyeu?

  And if I'm like in China Chinese right now, I am celebrating. This is awesome. And I'm just like, yeah, cool. Our biggest global competitor has a problem. And so we're going to be able to leverage that to run the table and great, we'll be in a position of power. And so I think people do not have an accurate mental map of global politics. They don't have an accurate mental map of what it means for America to fall. And so people are wasting time, not even wasting time. They're playing a hyper dangerous game of weaken America from the inside, thinking that nothing bad is going to happen from the outside. It's completely wild.

• 16:48Tom Bilyeu?

  So yeah, boys and girls, as certainly we as a community march forward. Obviously you've heard me talk about this endlessly and I will continue to talk about it more and more and more. There will be regional moments where it seems like it's wise to take our eyes off of us on the global stage with China. That is eternally unwise. We need to understand what is the outcome that we want with China? What does coexistence with China look like? What does holding firm in our sphere of influence? Because I think we've already lost in terms of the unipolar global dominance that we had. I think that game is over. And so now it just becomes a question of how far are we willing to let ourselves slide down? And when we reinforce the left versus right,

• 17:29Tom Bilyeu?

  when we're focused on that, when we get sucked into all of the ideology, when we watch the division inside of America just ramp up, ramp up, ramp up.

• 17:40Tom Bilyeu?

  You need to think of that as like, okay, we are a prizefighter and we're sitting on the couch, we're eating a bunch of nachos, yelling at our spouse, drinking a bunch of beer. And it's like, and then in China, it's like they're training. They are lean, mean, fighting machine. So yeah, I think it's gonna be hard for me to get people to step back and view this thing from 30,000 feet and really look at the international politics of it all. But this is how empires fall. And so it is just accelerating, man. It's insane. Yes, Cody, the fourth turning.

• 18:19Speaker 05

  The groups who funded that disgusting article justifying Charlie's death, do you know they benefit from generous tax treatment? They are literally subsidized by you and me, the American taxpayer. And how do they reward us? By setting fire to the house built by the American family over 250 years. I am desperate for our country to be united in condemnation of the actions and the ideas that killed my friend. I want it so badly that I will tell you a difficult truth. We can only have it with people who acknowledge that political violence is unacceptable and when we work to dismantle the institutions that promote violence and terrorism in our own country.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  And then Elon retweeted that saying unity is impossible with evil fanatics who celebrate murder.

• 19:11Tom Bilyeu?

  There we go.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:14Tom Bilyeu?

  There we go. So yeah, yeah. Now, if they could say, listen, this is a very small number of people on the left. I do not blanket statement this across the aisle. There, you know, we need to work together to create a pro-America, positive, solid America, good-for-all-Americans agenda. I would have less beef with it, but that definitely is not the rhetoric. The rhetoric is sort of just across the board. Bad mojo.

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• 22:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action.

• 22:14Speaker 01

  Alright, let's head over to the UK and talk about that Tommy Robinson protest.

• 22:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's go, Tommy!

• 22:20Speaker 01

  This was kinda like a promo video they jumped. Do this, like this pan, like, "It's still going." "It's still going."

• 22:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  "It's still going."

• 22:27Tom Bilyeu?

  That's wild. They tried to call that 120, jeez.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  "It's still going." Like, that's smacked, yo. And I don't even bang with Tommy Robinson like that, but you can't, like, it's not like Trump had four chairs and tried to say it's the biggest crowd ever, like, that's a, he packed that thing out.

• 22:43Tom Bilyeu?

  That is wild.

• 22:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then I have the Elon quote, um, that he said, that he, they had him on a jumbotron during the protest.

• 22:50Speaker 06

  Violence is gonna come to you.

• 22:53Speaker 06

  You will have no choice. This is a, this is, you're, you're in a fundamental situation here, where you, where

• 23:02Speaker 06

  whether you choose violence or not, violence is coming to you. You either fight back or you die.

• 23:11Speaker 01

  Either fight back or you die. Somebody should send this to Matt Walsh so he can get fired from his company.

• 23:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. This is where we get into, again, if somebody wanted to use my own words against me,

• 23:25Tom Bilyeu?

  while I think Elon was strangely performative in this, and I wouldn't focus, I wouldn't focus people on the, like, fight or die thing, but I will say, values is where you have to make a stand.

• 23:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, so, anyway, be careful with your immigration policy, everybody, and I mean everybody, around the world, just be careful with your immigration policy. Immigration is a values vote, and if you're not careful with that, you're gonna have a problem. And so we're, we're seeing it play out all over Europe. It's really, really crazy.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  And that was the purpose, cuz I, I got mixed reviews on whether it was anti-immigration or free speech, but I feel like it was immigration and not like a free speech.

• 24:09Tom Bilyeu?

  What he was talking about there in that moment was very specifically about anti-immigration.

• 24:13Speaker 01

  Got it, okay.

• 24:14Tom Bilyeu?

  But through, when you play the longer thing, he talks about both. So, he talks about free speech,

• 24:21Tom Bilyeu?

  it might have been from him that I heard the 30 people a day stat. Don't quote me on that, I don't remember clearly. But, yeah, they, they talked about both.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, I know immigration is kind of your hill to die on. You just did some international travel with the family and kind of coming back. You you've seen the collision of values kind of up close. Do you think the UK is really like on a timeline where like?

• 24:47Tom Bilyeu?

  UK is really on a timeline.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  You and Lisa's favorite spot is now all Muslimed out and it's just a bunch of dudes and black.

• 24:52Tom Bilyeu?

  It's not like that. And we weren't in England. We were in other parts of Europe. But um, this is from a, uh, what did I see on the ground and witness? Uh, in Italy, my big takeaway was a collision of values between me and Italians. Not whatever collision Italians have within, like if they've got a Muslim problem.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 25:15Tom Bilyeu?

  That's that's a totally different question. So from a specific this trip, what was my conclusion? It it was the um, they used to do cool shit. They don't do cool shit anymore and you can feel it. Uh, and so as an American, I hated that. Uh, and at the same time, I was like, oh, I get it because like everybody here is like super chill. And so it was a place to go on vacation and have like some coffee and get a nice pizza. It was dope. Um, are those the trade offs that I want to make? Absolutely not. Is that my value system aggressively not? Uh, so but like everybody should get they Italy should be able to run Italy the way they want to run Italy. Like I I'm not going to go there and impose my values.

• 25:55Tom Bilyeu?

  What I'm saying is when you look at the UK or you look at the US, everybody is going to have to answer a question. And that is, given that demographics are destiny. What do you do when you are either just flooding your system with a bunch of people full stop? Uh, that may or may not share your values. And then what do you do when you flood your system with a group of people that don't share your values? And their birth rate is much higher than yours. This is the UK's problem. Now, we need to fact check what I'm about to say, but I'm pretty sure the following stat is correct. Forty percent of school aged children in the UK are Muslim. Now, if that's true, it doesn't take a genius to figure out

• 26:40Tom Bilyeu?

  that as older native, as they call them, British people die off. They're going to be replaced by uh Muslims. So it's like, that is what it is. And if that's what you want as a country, great, you got it. And the reason that I say in America, the reason that we've been able to get away with our unhinged immigration policy for as long as we did is we were importing Catholics. And so, given that we have an undercurrent of Christianity despite not being a theological state, it is very obvious to anybody paying attention that we are built on top of a Christian ethos.

• 27:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Even somebody like myself, who is not religious, I'm fully aware that I have imbibed a lot of Christian values. So, when you import a bunch of people from a different country, different skin color, but they have the same value set, it doesn't create the problem. It's when you start importing people, they can be the same skin color, it doesn't fucking matter. What matters is, what are they willing to fight and die for? And when you're both willing to fight and die for different things, you now have a problem. And so, that's what we're watching play out in Europe.

• 27:52Speaker 01

  That stat coming in from Gemini, it says that it's actually closer to 6.7%.

• 27:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  The actual figures for Muslim share of the school population are closer to 8.1 in 2021, according to the Muslim Council of Britain. And the last UK census was 2021.

• 28:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so I'll have to figure out what unhinged thing I came across that either was just an outright lie, or I'm misremembering something, but this is why we fact check. So, thank you for that. So...

• 28:21Speaker 01

  Somebody in the comments asks, "How, how long do you think it would take? Like, what do you think the timeline is for them? Because you said earlier that it's a matter of time."

• 28:31Tom Bilyeu?

  That's a math question. I don't have the easy answer, but round it to...

• 28:35Speaker 01

  And so, they become the majority, basically, that's when it's...

• 28:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Round it to, you can run the math. Like, if you ask Grok, ChatGPT, "Given the birth rate discrepancy in the UK, over what period of time will people of British descent become the minority?", it'll give you an answer. Off the top of my head, I don't know, but it's not short. I mean, it's gonna be 30, 50 years, something like that. Because you've got to have, one, you have to figure out what rate are you expecting more people to come into the country? At what rate are, what are the birth rate differences? And then what are the death rates? And so, that is, it'll be measured in decades. It's not like, "This is, oh my God, it's gonna happen in five years." That's not it. But if you don't decide on your immigration policy now, then...

• 29:22Tom Bilyeu?

  At least with my value system because I'm not for we've got to get people that have come here legally, get them out. I don't like that. Like if you let people into your country, they uprooted, they move there like, hey, they're there. Uh, so I get that some people are going to feel differently, but not me.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  Rough estimates based off current protections, given current trends as reported by ONS and other demographers, and assuming similar migration and fertility rates. Many projections suggest that the share of white British people or people with only UK born parents and somebody increased it. So it messed me up. There it is. Depending on definition will fall under 50% somewhere mid 21st century. So likely around 2060s.

• 30:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay. So yeah, a little more than 30 years.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, four decades under these trajectories.

• 30:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, that sounds about right.

• 30:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:10Tom Bilyeu?

  So, uh, yeah, people are asking like if that number changes my opinion, not at all. So this is a question of what do you want to be the trajectory of your country? If you are, um, hey, we will take in refugees from anywhere in the world. Anybody can come here. That's your right. Uh, people should run their country the way that they want to run their country. What I'm trying to get people to look at is that that will have consequences. It's not what I want, but I don't believe that I should be a dictator anywhere. So everybody should vote the way that they want to vote.

• 30:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, I want to see my value system continue to go on as I imagine most people want to see their value system continue to move on. But if their value system is simply, hey, countries, uh, should have their borders wide open and they're looking at the consequences of that with their eyes wide open, great. But it feels like we are playing the suicidal empathy game where we're acting as if there are only first order consequences. There's no second and third order consequences. So that's where I'm like, okay, this is just seems very weird. I'm not sure what logic people are tracking. So if I am wrong about the number, this was just me not running the math because my assumption was that it was going to take somewhere between 30 and 50 years. We just saw it's going to take roughly 35 to 40 years.

• 31:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, so in terms of the rate at which I thought this was going to happen was bang on, the percent is off. I'm glad that we have updated percentages because there's no reason to be thinking from wrong facts, but I'm talking about the second and third order consequences, period.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  I'm getting a couple of questions. It's the same question over and over. What are their values? What are the immigrant values? Somebody said-

• 31:55Tom Bilyeu?

  What's going to be different for every immigrant, but if you're looking at, um, so let's be careful to differentiate between Muslim and Islamist. So if a Muslim comes in and they want to be secular, no beef with that. Great. You're part of a secular society. You're moving to another secular country. No problem. If you have an Islamist who is, they want Sharia law, or even just want to enshrine religion in the government, now we've got a problem. So you can round Islamist to Sharia law. I am certainly not somebody that's going to be able to give you an intelligent breakdown of Sharia law. Uh, that's why my stance

• 32:36Tom Bilyeu?

  isn't pro or anti Muslim Islamist. My thing is, this is a question of a collision of values. If you've got your eyes wide open, you're like, yeah, we understand. And that's exactly how we want to move. Great. Uh, but what I'm saying with what's going on in the UK is that are people who feel alienated from a values perspective that don't feel like they're being listened to. They took to the streets for a reason. They feel some type of way. Now, if you're mapping them to racism, I believe that you are misunderstanding the problem. I believe that the second people have different races, but the same religion, boom, they get along instantly. They get along like a house on fire. They suddenly

• 33:17Tom Bilyeu?

  realize, like, if even if they thought they were racist, they suddenly realize, wait, we love the same God. I'm way more into this person than the person who looks like me, but hates my God. I'll take that bet a fucking thousand times out of a thousand. Somebody will have way more love camaraderie connection with somebody who shares their values, their religion, than they will and doesn't look like them, than they will over somebody who does look like them, but hates their God. Like, that's wild. Like, look back at history. How many Irish people had to kill other Irish people before you realized this is not- About race, it's about values, it's about values, values, values. All of human history, people kill people that look just like them.

• 33:59Tom Bilyeu?

  The French were killing the English, the English were killing the French. They're as white as can be.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  Tom, I understand that, but you're assuming that these people have different values. Cause you can't, you can't see the values.

• 34:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Happens when you have different values. So it's not even like an assumption. It's like, what's the thing that's access to resources or values? Those are your options. So like Germans killed the shit out of a whole bunch of white Russians.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  Again, I'm, I'm, I'm taking, I'm taking the religion, the race and all that stuff out of here, but.

• 34:28Tom Bilyeu?

  But I'm saying, so I see comments saying that I'm racist and I'm like, people are going to be confused. Because they think I'm talking about race and I'm not, I'm not even talking about race at a functional level. So when people start making this about race, I'm like, Jesus, I want to ram my head through a wall. Because I'm like, you're going to mess this up. If, if, forget me, whatever, I, I am a small voice in a very large world.

• 34:54Tom Bilyeu?

  If people have this discussion at the level of race, they will mishandle the fundamental question that Europe is being asked to confront right now, today, that America will be asked to confront moving forward. And that is, how do we determine who to let into the country? Do we make that determination borders wide open? Do we make that determination based on you're good for business? Do we make that determination based on values? You're going to have to answer that question because values are the thing that hold the country together. In fact, the left and the right are heating up. I don't think that's about race. I think that's about people that have different values. So anyway, uh, it is so easy for people to talk about race and not values.

• 35:38Tom Bilyeu?

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• 36:50Speaker 01

  Let's talk about it. So free speech has been a hot button issue, I would say, since before the election. Some people champion Elon Musk for saving free speech by buying Twitter, bringing back off "canceled people" such as Nick Fuentes, such as Donald Trump, et cetera. Now, there has been a shift in free speech. And let's take it from the beginning and we'll walk through this. So this is Pam Bondi speaking about how they're going to prosecute those that are speaking ill of Charlie Kirk's assassination.

• 37:21Speaker 03

  There's free speech and then there's hate speech. And there is no place, especially-

• 37:26Tom Bilyeu?

  You can pause it there. That just isn't true. So from a legal framework, that isn't true. And I don't understand anybody's impulse that's like, "Look, you can say anything you want, except for things I disagree with." It's like, the very point of free speech is for people to be able to say the things that you find most despicable. As long as they're within the bounds of what the Supreme Court has already ruled on, which the easy one to talk about is incitement to violence. So I just-

• 37:56Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't understand. Do we have the Charlie Kirk one? Okay, let her finish, but I want to pull that up because it was like for all these people to be saying this in Charlie's name. Uh, and then Charlie has spoken very directly about this exact thing. It's wild.

• 38:12Speaker 03

  Now, especially after what happened to Charlie in our society.

• 38:16Speaker 07

  Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people? So we show them that some action is better than no action.

• 38:27Speaker 03

  We will absolutely target you, go after you if you are targeting anyone with hate speech, anything. And that's across the aisle. There's free speech and then there's.

• 38:40Speaker 01

  Yep. So that's her. And then here is the tweet from Charlie Kirk himself. Hate speech does not exist legally in America. There's ugly speech, there's gross speech, there's evil speech, and all of it is protected by the First Amendment. Keep America free.

• 38:55Tom Bilyeu?

  There it is. There it is. Yeah, this is, uh, the nice thing about social media is even posthumously, people can go find out what your thoughts were on a subject. Uh, so yeah, I, I agree. I am very saddened to see this erode. If you look at the UK, you get a glimpse of what it looks like when you don't have freedom of speech. The UK arrests 30 people a day for things that they say online.

• 39:25Tom Bilyeu?

  What?

• 39:26Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 39:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, that is nuts. That's tyranny. Like, I don't understand why people want that. So, uh, I believe people should have the right to say, there are obviously, you can't defame people. Uh, you can incite to violence. Those are great. I love that this is not, I'm not a free speech absolutist. I walk up close to the line, but, and that means that people have to be able to say things that I despise. So I don't understand when people have the impulse, it is not effective to have the impulse to want to shut people down because that tool will be used against you. Instead, go debate. This is what makes Charlie's death so tragic, is he was the guy that was willing to roll up anywhere and debate people.

• 40:08Tom Bilyeu?

  And seeing how many hours this guy has of like, just walking people through his takes. Again, not all of his takes were good by my estimation. But you can't deny that he was willing to roll up, let anybody walk to the microphone. He would say, whoever disagrees with me, come to the front. He didn't want people glazing him. So it's like, who are the people that disagree? Let's have a conversation. Now, you can say that, look, Charlie goes to universities and so you're going to find people that are less able to argue and blah, blah, blah. But nonetheless, he was going into the public square and saying, hey, come debate me on any topic you want. Try to convince me, I'll try to convince you. And so that to me is the right response. When somebody says something that you hate, when somebody says something that you think is despicable.

• 40:53Tom Bilyeu?

  So, hey, let's talk about both Destiny and Elon. I think their interactions with each other are ridiculous. I think that Destiny has said things completely unhinged in his most recent Piers Morgan thing. It's not the first time Destiny has said shit that's unhinged. But I would rather have a conversation about, okay, why? What? Like, how is that advancing your cause? Now, he has an argument for it. I don't agree with it, but he's got an argument. So you can end up debating that thing rather than saying like, he should be canceled, kick him off, I don't want to hear him say that. I think Elon outright called for his arrest, if I'm not mistaken. Now, there is an argument to be made that he called for direct violence against Republicans.

• 41:37Tom Bilyeu?

  And hey, by all means, let a court of law look at it, adjudicate it.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  He didn't call for direct violence.

• 41:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Perfect. Then the court of law will find that and they'll be like, hey, no worries. But that, like, I'm saying, let the already established laws handle incitement to violence and then we can get a ruling on that. And if people think that's like the lightning rod issue that they want to see debated, then it will go all the way to the Supreme Court and we'll see, like, what's the new ruling? But this, as long as we're making blanket policies and we say, okay, we've got incitement to violence is not good, we have a case where people are saying this either is or is not incitement to violence, and then what do we want to see? But the like overwhelming impulse that people seem to have to want to shut people down the instant that they say something they don't agree with is wild. And have you

• 42:24Tom Bilyeu?

  seen Matt Taibbi talk about Elon? I was completely unaware of this until yesterday. So Matt Taibbi, who I thought was like bros with Elon is like Elon has a weird relationship with free speech. And that was, did he say that's why I couldn't work on X exclusively? He certainly left me with that impression. It's maybe I misread. I want to be, I want to leave that space. But I was shocked to hear that. He was like, oh, no, no, no. Elon for sure shadow bans people on X. And I was like, damn.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, when people were coming at him for faking his gamer stats, he didn't like that. So.

• 43:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, but I didn't think he was shadow banning them. Because I thought he made, it's my understanding that he makes the algorithm completely transparent. So I don't know if he's got an algorithm plus some like anorak tools, deep cut reference for anybody that gets that I already love you. So I don't know if he's got like that set of anorak tools, or if he's just so convinced nobody's going to go through the algorithm. I don't know. That that one seems impossible. But that that makes me very sad. But hey, it is what it is. I still think he is the greatest entrepreneur literally ever to do it. So don't be surprised when I champion his entrepreneurial things. But his take on free speech, if what Matt Taibbi is saying is correct, and then with what I have seen with my own eyes

• 43:47Tom Bilyeu?

  about calling the left radical leftist, I don't want to over generalize what he said as evil, unwise.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  As of right now, after Charlie Kirk's assassination, we give our empathy to Erica Kirk and his two young children. His legacy is being debated right now. Destiny is probably the most vocal on the left that's talking about it. There's memes and TikToks of people dancing on the grave. I'm not saying that. Let's keep it professional. Let's see, keep it courteous. Let's keep it respectful, right? I want to first jump into the destiny that the conservatives need to be afraid of getting killed.

• 44:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, this is wild.

• 44:23Speaker 01

  Because I'm hearing a lot of people on the left say, well, wait, that wasn't the context in which he was saying it. And you know where I'm going with that next? Because your boy Charlie said some things. And I'm hearing a bunch of people on the right saying, well, that's not the context in which he meant it. So let's talk about context now. So let's jump into destinies first.

• 44:39Tom Bilyeu?

  There it is.

• 44:41Speaker 08

  The cocks has made it clear that their investigation has now established that he had been radicalized by a leftist ideology which drove him to do this.

• 44:50Speaker 09

  I'm sorry, excuse me, when?

• 44:53Speaker 08

  Yesterday, he said that.

• 44:55Speaker 09

  No, no, no, when was he radicalized in the six months that he did remote college?

• 44:58Speaker 08

  I don't know when he was radicalized. I do know, I do know, the very reasonable sounding governor of Utah has made it clear that the event, you may not want to hear this.

• 45:08Speaker 09

  This is an ongoing investigation.

• 45:09Speaker 08

  You may not want to hear it, destiny, but the reality is, the investigators, according to the governor of Utah, have established that he was radicalized to a leftist ideology that drove him to murder Charlie Kirk. Now, let me just ask you.

• 45:23Speaker 09

  That's just not true. There's no way to deal with it. You're living in a delusional fantasy.

• 45:27Speaker 08

  That's your prerogative, but, but.

• 45:29Tom Bilyeu?

  With the information that we have now, there's no way, in my opinion, to believe that this guy wasn't radicalized by trans ideology.

• 45:40Speaker 09

  Because he's dating a trans person, he's radicalized by trans ideology?

• 45:42Tom Bilyeu?

  He's in a relationship with a trans person.

• 45:44Speaker 09

  So that means he kills people?

• 45:45Tom Bilyeu?

  He said, "The only thing I care about is protecting you." He put memes on the bullets about trans ideology. So I'm, what? He also, can we not skip over, he fucking murdered Charlie Kirk. It's like the biggest glowing red, like, hey, tell me you've been radicalized without telling me you've been radicalized. He shot somebody. So, he shot somebody specifically saying, "This guy's too hateful, I have to kill him."

• 46:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so which element of hate do you think sparked that?

• 46:28Speaker 09

  I mean, Charlie Kirk had a list, so I don't know which, I don't know how to answer that.

• 46:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, this is like, um, when you and I were talking before we started rolling camera, and I said, every, if I tried to map your worldview and I leave out race, I'm always going to be confused. And this to me is like, if you leave out the role of trans ideology, you're going to be confused by this kid's behavior.

• 46:50Speaker 09

  What does that term even mean, trans ideology?

• 46:53Tom Bilyeu?

  That he believes that, uh, now I'm extrapolating, based on the things that he's put, what I mean when I say that is, perfect, is, uh, that.

• 47:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Words are violence against that community, that they are at risk of erasure via things like misgendering, denying that they exist, saying that it's a mental illness, all of that stuff. And so if you are doing those things, you are literally putting their lives at risk. So the act of saying those things warrants a physically violent response. That, when I say trans ideology, radical trans ideology, let me be very clear, radical trans ideology, that's what I'm talking about. Now, when I go, oh, let, what just happened?

• 47:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Somebody who was dating a trans person, killed somebody literally who's known for talking about trans issues, and has said that they think this person's hate has just reached a level where they have to do something about it? Then I'm like, oh, yeah, that all makes sense. If I try to map it to something else, it becomes far more confusing. Now, if his roommate is black, and he's like convinced that Charlie Kirk is racist, then okay, then I can buy it. But as far as I know, he's not. I don't know that, so I suppose. But I haven't heard anybody talk about that, so I'm guessing that's not the case. So again,

• 48:25Tom Bilyeu?

  it's possible. That's why I say the information that we have now, Occam's razor, is like, that's the read. If over time, more information comes out, and it's like, no, it wasn't that at all, it was totally something else, the tweets were faked, or that the hatred really was something else, and the guy just comes out and tells us, no, that's totally coincident, I hated him for this. Okay, cool. Then I'll be like, okay, this is the thing that he hated him for. But the simplest explanation is usually the right one.

• 48:53Speaker 08

  Turns out to have been somebody with a leftist ideology who wanted to shut up Charlie Kirk, would you condemn that?

• 49:00Speaker 01

  I won't condemn anything until the President of the United States can go on air and say, "All of us need to calm down."

• 49:07Speaker 09

  So you won't condemn the murder of Charlie Kirk?

• 49:11Tom Bilyeu?

  So this is, Destiny's talked about not this exact thing before, but the idea that I'm gonna keep being unhinged until high people, doesn't always say the President, but like influencers on the right either acknowledge January 6th or whatever, and that one goes back to the K-Fabe, the WWE, the like, "I'm gonna be theatrical until other people stop being theatrical," is what I hear him saying. I'm just, that doesn't make any sense to me. Not wanting to lead with, "What's the outcome that I want?" So, if the outcome that he wants is to actually turn down the temperature, then he would lead by turning down the temperature. So you can, in my opinion, rule out that he actually wants to turn down the temperature.

• 49:54Speaker 01

  That Destiny actually wants to turn it down.

• 49:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Correct.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  I feel like he's a counterpuncher. So if he turns down the temperature and everybody turns on the temperature, but except one party's allowed to go to turn it up to 10, that his point, his literal next statement is, "I have to, I can't give that lineup because other people aren't giving that lineup."

• 50:09Tom Bilyeu?

  So, his actions would make sense if his actual motive is to punish what you're calling counterpunching, or at least how I interpret counterpunching. So they're doing it, I'm gonna do it back. I'm gonna do it just as hard.

• 50:20Speaker 01

  But you don't realize we're spending more time talking about Destiny's reaction than what Donald Trump said on the day of Charlie Kirk's death? Before he even knew that the guy was trans, before he even knew what the guy looked like, before he even knew what happened?

• 50:29Tom Bilyeu?

  We did talk about it last time. I'm happy to talk about it again.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  I'm just like-

• 50:32Tom Bilyeu?

  I'll be not equally condemning, because I don't think that Trump came off as unhinged as Destiny's coming off.

• 50:38Speaker 01

  Got it, okay.

• 50:38Tom Bilyeu?

  But, uh, if Trump were doubling down on his rhetoric, like, "I'm gonna keep talking like this until the left calms down," then I'm gonna be like, "Okay, that's stupid." Now, if anybody feels like, uh, I'm saying the right has handled this well, wow, I'd be very surprised by that. We spent the first, whatever, 30 minutes of the live today with me talking about, "The right is being just as, like, unself-aware as the left. This is wild." So, uh, yeah, that, that to me is certainly not what I'm saying. So I'm happy, if you play me a clip of Trump, I'm happy to talk about Trump. But you play me a clip of Destiny, I'm gonna talk about Destiny.

• 51:14Speaker 01

  We could, I was just using Destiny's point to explain it. So we could jump in-

• 51:17Tom Bilyeu?

  But Destiny's point from where I'm sitting goes like this.

• 51:22Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm not going to turn the temperature down until they turn the temperature down first. That to me says he's not somebody who's actually interested in turning the temperature down. Or he believes the only effective strategy with his passions and talents. The only way to actually get the temperature turned down is first to turn it up to make everybody so hot and uncomfortable that finally we'll turn everything down. Which is why he's saying they need to be afraid. Do we play the part of the clip where he actually said? It's coming up. Okay, play this because people need to hear it out of his mouth first.

• 51:56Speaker 09

  Or Trump says something. I'm a YouTuber. Leftists and Democrats have been condemning and turning down the temperature, condemning violence, turning the temperature for a decade. Donald Trump can't go on TV and say, "All of us need to calm down." Can you tell me why he cannot? Why would you expect anybody, Destiny? You can't answer that. Can you answer that question? Can you answer this question? "All of us should be less violent." Why do you think? Why can't Trump say that? Why do you think?

• 52:20Speaker 10

  Why is your behavior contingent on Donald Trump?

• 52:23Speaker 09

  Why is your behavior contingent on Donald Trump? Let me ask the question. Because he's the president of the United States of America and the leader of the opposing political party.

• 52:31Speaker 10

  You have a huge audience of young men who listen to everything you have to say. So when you, it doesn't matter. You have a huge audience. And because of the fact that you have a huge audience, you have a responsibility to not turn. No, it hasn't. It hasn't been broken. I actually care about the country and want to bring people together. You do the opposite. You represent the worst of us, Destiny.

• 52:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Lash out the crime statistics?

• 52:56Speaker 09

  Not exactly like. I need, you need conservatives to be afraid of getting killed when they go to events so that they look to their leadership to turn down the temperature. The issue is right now, they don't feel like there's any fear.

• 53:12Speaker 09

  Like, I don't know. I don't know. It's like memes. It's just memes to everybody, I guess. I don't know, bro. I don't know. I don't care. I'm playing bitter games. Okay, I'm done. You need conservatives to be afraid of getting killed when they go to events so that way they look to their leadership to turn down the temperature.

• 53:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 53:26Speaker 09

  Is that a call for violence?

• 53:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Probably not. If he had said what may be a more accurate.

• 53:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Thing that he meant. Apparently, people on the right need to go all the way to being afraid of dying before they'll turn down the temperature. If that's what he meant, okay, fair enough. I can see an interpretation where that's actually what he was trying to say. But yikeses, the way that he actually said it leaves way too much room for interpretation. And I try to be generous here because I know I'm going to say something that people are going to play back and I'm gonna be like, oh, God. That I will hate the way that I framed it and be like, no, no, no, it's not what I meant. So on that, I am. I'm sensitive to that, but I do think that Destiny constitutionally does trial to dial,

• 54:16Tom Bilyeu?

  does try to dial things up to 11 to get a reaction, to get people to pay attention. So that's where I think like, yeah, he's put himself in a pretty rough position.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  Let's say hypothetically, right? Destiny gets popped tomorrow.

• 54:37Tom Bilyeu?

  Can we define popped?

• 54:38Speaker 01

  Killed.

• 54:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 54:40Speaker 01

  Choking the neck in front of everybody.

• 54:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh huh.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  Do you think the reaction that people have had to Charlie Kirk would be equal and proportionate to the reaction that they would have if Destiny were killed?

• 54:55Tom Bilyeu?

  On the right?

• 54:56Speaker 01

  In general.

• 54:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Probably.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  There'll be people laughing, dancing, retweeting.

• 55:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 55:01Speaker 01

  There'll be people saying, this is very serious. We need to turn down the temperature.

• 55:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, for sure. It is, this is where I'm like, I don't think anybody is innocent. I think that everybody's displaying human behavior. People dehumanize the other side. This is what we do when we need to kill the other village that's trying to come in and steal our women and steal our resources. We've got to see them as other. We've got to be able to like murder them and spill their guts. And I really, really like Mike Benz a lot, and I think that he's doing a great service to this country, but his response to.

• 55:34Tom Bilyeu?

  When Charlie Kirk was killed, he said, I want to see, I want them, the people that did this, might have been the way he said it, but I want them to see what their insides look like. Like, it was graphic. This was somebody who wanted unspeakably bad things to happen to that person. That's the human response. Like, we go to a place, like, if you did something to my wife, I'd be unhinged. Dude, unhinged. There's, you couldn't kill that person painfully enough if they murdered my wife. Yeah, that, that's bad. That's bad. And I shouldn't be able to make policy. But in that moment, do I know myself well enough

• 56:18Tom Bilyeu?

  to know, yep, I would be an unhinged lunatic? Yes, I would be an unhinged lunatic. So, we have to put ourselves in a position where we understand, this is what the, the very flawed human mind is like, and be very careful. So, people would cheer and celebrate if Destiny died, and they would feel justified. And it's the fact that they would feel justified that makes me go, jeez, we're, we're gonna be in this loop forever. And this is why, when countries break bad, they're off the rails for like a hundred years.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  In the New Testament, Jesus warns us about being hypocrites. And I remember being like church as a, as a wee little boy, and my 11th year old mind was like, why did he use hypocrites? He should have used bigot, or racist, or bad person, or murderer, duh. But he always uses hypocrite. Let us not be a hypocrite like them. And I'm starting to realize the odor I get, that, that really is the true sin. Like, that's the true thing. It's, when I feel a type of way, I have all these rules and rules of engagement, and this is how you're supposed to act. But when I do something hurtful for to you, I don't care about that. I, I, it's, you'll be okay, you'll get over it. It's because you deserve it. It's justified. You're a criminal, you're a leftist, you're a trans, you're all these, and that's why you die. But then, when somebody happens on your fault, on your side, and they

• 57:31Speaker 01

  say the same thing, it, it becomes that. So, I just want everybody to just be sober for two seconds. You can call me whatever you want to call me in the chat, but before you type, just for two seconds, just think, huh, if Destiny died, and people on my side were dancing on his grave. And lawmakers were calling for eradication of free speech. And there were clips and videos and all these types of things. How would I feel? How would I internalize that? What would I do next? And I think that thought exercise would help a lot of us in this moment. Ipso facto, I'm done. I'm off my soapbox.

• 58:03Tom Bilyeu?

  It was a good soapbox. I support every word Drew for president. I support every word Drew. Uh, yeah. Facts. Ipso facto.

• 58:13Speaker 01

  Um, now Destiny has been canceled from Twitch. Those that follow Destiny know that he hasn't streamed on Twitch in like years.

• 58:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, yeah, he's been on YouTube and Kick.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  Uh, so like him kind of retweeting this, this is just as badass as like, um, brain cancer because of how stupid you guys are, um, tweet.

• 58:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Got it. So he's completely trolling.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  This, yeah, this was another, like, one of those inversion tweets.

• 58:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Hilarious.

• 58:40Speaker 01

  Uh, but even going forward to it, there is Elon Musk is calling for him to be a resonator. There, there are all these calls to action to YouTubers. Um, is that a level of accountability that maybe we like, because we're in this ecosystem as well, should people be more accountable for what they said?

• 58:58Tom Bilyeu?

  I would much rather see people vote at the individual level rather than us doing it at a systems level. I don't want to see YouTube boot them off because I know the second we say that we don't like what Destiny said, somebody's gonna say they don't like what I said. Uh, so no, but if people don't want to watch him, yeah, fair enough. Don't watch him. But, uh, if everybody says, I don't want to watch this guy, then he does not get watched. Now, the real thing that we have to contend with is we all know there are going to be people that do want to watch him. There are going to be people that want to watch Nick Fuentes. There are going to be people that want to watch us. Hey, uh, so that to me is the thing that we have to contend with is it matters that people are able to put their voice out into the world. Free speech matters.

• 59:38Tom Bilyeu?

  And in a world where we have social media, we're no longer able to control the narrative, the elites are no longer able to control the narrative, then that has a consequence in society. And I think a large part of what we're grappling with right now is that. Reality, this really matters. Letting people talk on platforms really matters. And so now this is, this is akin to me to the dumb voter problem. You can learn everything you need to know about a person's worldview by asking them one simple question. People that you think are literally morons, like they can't function, not that you're being flippant, that you think this person is actually too stupid to parse through this information.

• 1:00:19Tom Bilyeu?

  Should they be allowed to vote yes or no? And are you prepared to live in a world where you may get outnumbered by people that you think are morons and thus have to live in their country? And I'm saying the answer for me is yes, because I know that humans tend towards tyranny. The second you allow me to decide who's too dumb to think through these problems, we already have a problem. So I'm perfectly willing to live in a world where you start getting black pillars, grippers, red pillars, all this. Because yeah, everybody can get on a mic and say what they want. And I'm, I'm perfectly willing to live in a world where radical trans ideology, radical Islamists, they're going to get their voice. Yep. And I've got to beat their ideas. I've got to outperform them. I am perfectly willing to live in the outcome of that world.

• 1:01:04Tom Bilyeu?

  The world that I'm not perfectly willing to live in the outcome of is one where we give the power to the governments, to the platforms, whatever, where they're like, nope, you don't get to speak. That, that's the part that I don't like. So now, look, it gets very complicated when you get into the platforms and the private companies and all that. And yes, that's a debate worthy of having, but it's a totally separate thing. For now, I just want people to focus on what I'm trying to get across, which is can you trust your own ideology enough? That you want arbiters like human beings to be able to say no to that person, yes, instead of institutions. I'm saying that institutions should create freedom of expression. Free speech should be enshrined around the globe. Now, I don't feel, feel that I should be able to force that to happen. I've been very clear on that point.

• 1:01:49Tom Bilyeu?

  But like that, I look at that and I say, yeah, if you want a moral system, you have to be able to let people say things. I'm perfectly comfortable with America's limitations on that, but you have to be able to let people speak freely. They're not doing it in the UK. You're. You're living in the only country right now, I'm saying this to Drew, you're living in the only country right now that has enshrined freedom of speech in their constitution. So, other places have it sort of by culture, but not by enshrinement, and that one is worth fighting for.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  All right, heading over into economics news, the Fed is set to announce their first rate cut in nine months as Trump continues to push for influence. The Fed decision is supposed to come out at 11:00 AM PST, 2:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, but poly market is in the nine high 90% that they're gonna announce at least a 25% basis.

• 1:02:38Tom Bilyeu?

  What time is it being announced?

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  2:00 PM East Close, 11:00 AM our time.

• 1:02:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's go.

• 1:02:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I asked again, stock market just hit an all-time high, it surpassed 6,660 for the first time.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  Is this Fed cut going to help us?

• 1:02:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, so, we need to define "help us." Remember, we are in fiscal dominance, which means no matter what the Fed tries to do with the rate, it's ultimately not gonna matter. You'll get like these temporary blips, but the, because the stock market, asset values in general are simply a measure of sentiment in the short term. So, once you understand it's just a measure of sentiment, it's like, well, a rate cut is gonna make people feel some type of way. Now, it may not make them feel the way that you're expecting because of like broader things that they're worried about, but a rate cut is gonna trigger a response. So, and if it triggered no response, that would be a response. People would interpret and be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second, what does that mean? Does that mean that people don't have faith in the economy? Which, yes, PS, by the way, if you lower rates and people are like, no, no, no.

• 1:03:42Tom Bilyeu?

  Then that's people going, eh, there's a bigger systemic problem and we're not responding to the rate cut. That would be a data point unto itself. Okay, so, is this good for us? We're in fiscal dominance. Fiscal dominance means that fiscal, this is a PSA, fiscal dominance is fiscal means government. So governmental spending. In colloquial terms, people have started using fiscal just to mean monetary. It means government spending. So when we say fiscal dominance, we mean government spending dominance. Government spending controls the economy. So every alarm bell you have should go off when the government spending controls the economy. That is very bad because if you're going to have a Fed,

• 1:04:26Tom Bilyeu?

  which you probably shouldn't, but if you're going to have a Fed, you want that Fed to be able to do the things that the Fed is there to do because the Fed creates problems. If it can't also do good things, which right now, prior to fiscal dominance, it could. Now you've got all the bad and none of the good. So we're in a situation now where we have all the bad and none of the good. Bad times. So what will happen is you'll get a momentary reduction in the cost of a loan. Trump will immediately move to refinance the debt, which is exactly what he should do. So it will help us there. It will help alleviate some of the debt burden.

• 1:05:08Tom Bilyeu?

  But the problem is if you keep deficit spending, if you keep adding a trillion dollars to the debt, like he may through the new rates be able to change. You add a trillion dollars instead of every hundred days, maybe it's every 70 days or 75 days. Sorry, 130 days, 135 days, something like that.

• 1:05:24Tom Bilyeu?

  That's still catastrophic. So it's better than nothing, but we're going to keep deficit spending. We're going to keep running up that tally. It's going to keep being a problem. It's already so out of control, nobody's talking about moving that number backwards. So we're just talking about can we slow the rate that we increase it? Right now, we're at 122% debt to GDP. You've got to get that number down, 90s, 80s, 70s. Like you gotta be pushing it down. It would take 10 years of sustained, like 8% growth, 10 years of sustained 8% like real growth to get you to the point where you're in the 90s of debt to GDP. So yeah, nobody's talking about that. That's not going to happen.

• 1:06:08Tom Bilyeu?

  So we're in a bad position, but it will create a momentary blip. Just as a reminder, please, everybody, everybody, everybody.

• 1:06:16Tom Bilyeu?

  You have to be in assets. If you don't own assets, I won't tell you what assets to own. Like do your own research. I am not a financial advisor, yada, yada. But if you're not in intelligent assets, then you are being stolen from your purchasing power is going down. In the last 100 years, the US dollar has lost, I think this is literally correct, but it's certainly directionally correct, 95% of its value, lost 25% of its local value just in the last five years. So you can't save your way out of this, unfortunately. You have to gamble in the stock market.

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  I just asked AI Gemini, has the US ever had annual GDP growth rate of 8%?

• 1:06:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Can I show that? Let's find out if I know what I'm talking about.

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:06:59Tom Bilyeu?

  The answer is yes.

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:07:00Tom Bilyeu?

  It was in the seventies. The bad news is that inflation was even higher. So the actual real rate was not 8%, not even close. In fact, I think it was negative. So this is where...

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  I didn't see the seventies one.

• 1:07:15Tom Bilyeu?

  When was it?

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  I have World War II, 1942, the growth rate was 18.9%. Post-depression recovery, so 1934, 1935, 1936, it was 10.8, 8.9.

• 1:07:28Tom Bilyeu?

  But those are all super extenuating circumstances. The last time that it, the most recent time was in the seventies, by all means, look it up. But it was in the seventies and we had, I can't remember if it was more, it might have been more than eight years, but it, in a real rate, was not, not even close. So you, the punchline there is you would not change your debt to GDP ratio.

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it incorporated inflation already because it says this decade was marked by stagflation, a period of high inflation and slow growth.

• 1:07:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. So it did just from a true GDP growth rate, it was a sustained period.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  We were in the fives though. Way better than the threes.

• 1:08:08Tom Bilyeu?

  We're in the fives, what?

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  In the seventies during that time, including inflation as well, like the

• 1:08:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Growth rates?

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, the total raw number.

• 1:08:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Got it, got it.

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  It was in the fives, yeah. Cool. I don't know if we got anything going on, but that's all I got.

• 1:08:20Tom Bilyeu?

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