YETI: Roy and Ryan Seiders. How Two Brothers Turned a $400 Cooler Into a $2 Billion Brand

Roy and Ryan were avid outdoorsmen who wanted a cooler that wouldn’t break. So they built one themselves. The result was YETI: a high-end cooler that early retailers thought nobody would buy. But serious outdoorsmen did—and eventually YETI escaped its niche, becoming a status symbol at tailgates, beaches, and soccer fields. In this episode, Roy and Ryan explain how they bootstrapped YETI, survived the sudden loss of their only manufacturing partner, and later stumbled onto the $30 product that supercharged the business. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN Why solving a problem you personally experience can be more powerful than chasing a huge market. How YETI convinced people accustomed to $40 coolers to spend $300–$400. Why the brothers deliberately started with small independent retailers instead of chasing major chains. Why Roy and Ryan chose not to aggressively fight copycats How the sudden loss of their only manufacturer nearly destroyed YETI—but ultimately made the company stronger. How the brothers bootstrapped YETI for years without venture capitalWhy a simple $30 stainless-steel cup—not the famous $400 cooler— transformed YETI into a mass-market brand. TIMESTAMPS 6:10 — A free-range childhood of hunting and exploring 10:02 — Early businesses: fishing rods and boats 15:30 — Roy’s early frustrations with coolers. “The hinges would break, the latches would snap.” 31:20 — The last-minute flight to the Philippines that led to YETI 40:53 — People didn’t love the name–but they remembered it 47:49 — Why people were willing to spend $400 on a cooler 1:01:18 — The phone call that nearly pulled the plug on the business 1:06:30 — How Roy and Ryan turned a catastrophe into a stronger company 1:22:27 — From coolers to cups: A $30 product changed the trajectory of the brand 1:25:44 — Why the founders eventually moved on from YETI This episode was researched and produced by Carla Esteves, with music by Ramtin Arablouei. It was edited by Neva Grant. Our audio engineers were Maggie Luthar and Jimmy Keeley. Follow How I Built This: Instagram → @howibuiltthis https://www.instagram.com/howibuiltthis/ X → @HowIBuiltThis https://x.com/howibuiltthis Facebook → How I Built This https://www.facebook.com/howibuiltthis Follow Guy Raz: Instagram → @guy.raz https://www.instagram.com/guy.raz/ Youtube →guy_raz https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNSfrxNEmCruNtjIzxCBHjg X → @guyraz https://x.com/guyraz Substack →https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/guyraz.substack.com__;!! Iwwt! RZoD751oWzUzoqqdJiqaoL6HdJfRHDUO1TKvYJ424d3Udn7-Pw9Nj6nEsauh9zcgEvLjUEc$guyraz.substack.com http://guyraz.substack.com/ Website → guyraz.com http://guyraz.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Guy Raz?

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• 4:24Speaker 01

  I think we come up with about 10 solid names. And Yeti got mixed reviews. Now, for some people, it felt too cartoonish. For others, like gross, this hairy, smelly Bigfoot, possibly. And I was way more confused than I went into it. So I just like, gosh, I don't know if I'm making the right decision here. But I went back to the same group of 20 people like two weeks later. And I had one question. I said, hey, out of my list of 10 names, which ones can you remember? And all 20 people, the one constant they all could remember was Yeti. So that was all the validation I needed. Whether they liked it or not, it struck a chord. And that's, that's marketing 101.

• 5:16Guy Raz?

  Welcome to How I Built This, a show about innovators, entrepreneurs, idealists, and the stories behind the movements they built.

• 5:27Guy Raz?

  I'm Guy Raz, and on the show today, how the ambition to build a tougher and colder cooler led to Yeti, a high-end brand that does over $2 billion in sales.

• 5:48Guy Raz?

  It's easy to assume that founders who come up with an idea for a niche market secretly have bigger ambitions. Maybe they're making a product for elite runners, or mountain climbers, or surfers, or snowboarders. But the dream, at least we assume, is to eventually sell it to everybody. The thing is, a lot of the entrepreneurs I've had on this show don't really seem to think that way. When he started Patagonia, Yvonne Chouard wasn't trying to turn it into a global lifestyle brand. He was a mountain climber who wanted to make better gear for climbers. The founders of HOKA weren't trying to make shoes that you see people wearing at the airport. They wanted to make a better shoe for serious runners. And that's basically the story of Yeti. When two brothers, Roy and Ryan Seiders, started the company,

• 6:33Guy Raz?

  they weren't thinking about tailgate parties, or backyard barbecues, or beachgoers. They were thinking about hunters and fishermen. Roy and Ryan were serious outdoorsmen, and they were constantly frustrated by their coolers. Most of what was available were the familiar plastic coolers made by companies like Igloo and Coleman. And they were okay for keeping things cold. But the brothers wanted something even tougher, something that could take a beating. And importantly, something you could sit or even stand on. So Roy and Ryan decided to make a better one. It was thick, incredibly durable, nearly indestructible, and it cost around $400.

• 7:16Guy Raz?

  But that was okay, because they weren't trying to sell it to everybody. They were making it for people like them, serious outdoorsmen who were willing to spend a lot more money for something that would last. But then something happened that they never expected. People outside the hunting and fishing world started buying Yeti coolers. They began showing up at tailgates and barbecues and beaches. The cooler even became a kind of status symbol. Today, the Yeti brand does more than $2 billion a year in sales, and it is so much bigger than anything the Seiders brothers imagined. Roy and Ryan grew up in Driftwood, a small community in the Texas Hill Country just outside of Austin.

• 8:00Guy Raz?

  And as kids, Roy, Ryan, and their siblings were pretty much free to roam across hundreds of acres of land.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  Running up and down Onion Creek, turning over rocks, catching crawfish, bow hunting for deer, oftentimes before school. I don't think we realized how magical that was to grow up in, in nature like that. I really, at the time, I felt like every kid had access to the outdoors across the street from their house.

• 8:25Guy Raz?

  So this is really the, the late 80s is, is kind of your childhood, right? When you're, when you guys are, are really like, just kind of free range. Just like, you leave the house and you just be home for dinner.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right. It was kind of crazy. No cell phones. And we, you know, we'd come home at dark, but we were exploring and canoeing and doing all kinds of fun stuff and running around barefoot.

• 8:49Guy Raz?

  So I know that your dad, his career was, he was a middle school shop teacher. Your mom was a nurse. But I guess, and this really happened when you were either really little or right before you were born, but basically when you were little, he was a fisherman, and he came up with a solution to a problem he had, which would eventually develop into a business he would start. But tell me a little bit about this thing that, that he created.

• 9:14Speaker 02

  So basically, being a shop teacher, one of the semester projects was to build fishing rods. And there was always a problem with the coating that went over the thread wrap that held on the guides on the fishing rods. It just wouldn't hold up. You know, so he came up with this idea of maybe a clear, flexible epoxy. And at the time, nobody was using epoxy on fishing rods. So he, you know, contacted a chemist, came up with a brand name and a formula that he thought would work good, went to his first fishing tackle show, and it kind of really took off from there. He was able to get out of teaching and focus full-time on that. At the time, he had four kids, or maybe three, with the fourth one on the way. And he started

• 9:57Speaker 02

  that company in Houston. And then, when we moved up to Driftwood in 84, he built a shop out behind our house there. And that's where he ran the business as we grew up.

• 10:07Guy Raz?

  Yeah. So basically, as long as you can remember, your dad was, was an entrepreneur. He was selling this.

• 10:13Speaker 02

  Flex Coat was the name of the company, and still around today.

• 10:17Speaker 01

  You know, it was a small business, and it was enough to put four kids through college. And we took a annual ski trip to Colorado, piling in my parents' suburban. So, you know, my parents, they, they paid for things in cash along the way. They really didn't save any money. They didn't have any debt either. You know, their biggest asset was that company. And, you know, I think, growing up in that company, and seeing both my mom and dad kind of wear all the hats of a small business, you know, it's, is pretty darn educational.

• 10:52Guy Raz?

  Tell me about your dad, because I know that he was very present, like, in your life as children, like, right? I mean, he, I'm assuming, taught you how to hunt, how to fish.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  He was very hands-on, both my dad and my mom. And I think our dad was kind of the ultimate teacher, just kind of showing us the way. And whether it was hunting, or fishing, and really, anything that we were into, he was into. Like, I remember, we got into skateboarding as kids, and, you know, it wasn't long after that that he was building us an eight-foot, vertical, half-pipe ramp. But, you know, at the same time, he also kind of gave us free range to do whatever we wanted as well, you know, running around across the street from our house.

• 11:37Guy Raz?

  All right. So Ryan, you go off to Texas A&M.

• 11:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:41Guy Raz?

  Uh, and you studied wildlife management, which makes total sense. I mean, did you, did you go into college thinking that, like, you wanted to get into land conservation and that kind of work?

• 11:51Speaker 02

  No, I mean, I basically just wanted to graduate from college. I felt like that that was kind of the minimum acceptable thing to do, you know? And so, I went to A&M, not exactly sure what I was going to do, but my entire life before that, the only thing I had done to make money was build fishing rods. I always, you know, could build fishing rods, sell them, and make extra money through middle school, high school, even college, you know? So pretty quickly after I got to A&M, I realized that, hey, you know, I think I want to try to start a fishing rod company and be a customer of my dad's, you know? So I, I worked with my dad for maybe two or three months to save up some money to place

• 12:32Speaker 02

  my first blank, or the fishing rods, a graphite blank. And then, as I put those rods together and sold them, I was able to branch out, and I just kind of grew my business from there.

• 12:44Guy Raz?

  They're called Waterloo, Waterloo rods?

• 12:46Speaker 02

  Waterloo rods, yeah. I thought it was a cool name. I thought it looked good. It was easy to remember. Uh, I wasn't super organized in the business, you know? I was getting by, but as far as being able to support a family, or really, I never really felt like I was doing great, other than kind of getting to live the lifestyle I wanted to live at the time.

• 13:06Guy Raz?

  I, I read that you sold about 1,000 to 1,500 rods a year.

• 13:10Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 13:11Guy Raz?

  They're about 175 bucks. And one thing I, I read about was that, like, this, one of your specialties of, of the rods you were selling were for grass fishermen, and I went down a rabbit hole on it, uh, because this is like, you need a really durable rod, right? Like, this is, these are fishermen who go in pretty shallow waters. They're fishing under lily pads and, and plants. And so, the fish can get tangled up in those plants, and the rod can. And so, it's got to be really strong to reel that, that bass in, right?

• 13:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. The guy that kind of made that style of fishing famous, his name's Terry Oldham, and he was kind of giving me the direction of the design of that rod, which you needed something lightweight, but, you know, really stiff, 80-pound test braided line. And they would drop these big, weighted jicks down through the grass, the lily pads, the hydrilla. So, it was a real specialized style of fishing. And, and with Terry's help, we had a sought-after rod that kind of helped me get started with Waterloo.

• 14:07Guy Raz?

  All right. Um, so, meantime, Roy, you go off to Texas Tech. Um, and tell me a little bit about what you, like, what you thought you would do. Did you also think, like, your brother, like your dad, you'd go start something? Or, or did you not even necessarily have an idea of what you wanted to do?

• 14:26Speaker 01

  No, I, I, I knew I wanted to start my own business right after college. And like Ryan, I grew up building fishing rods, but he beat me to the punch on that. So, I, I didn't know exactly what I wanted to do. I just knew I wanted to start my own business. The first thing that I tried was, um, I put together this little shooting bench for sighting and rifles and.

• 14:47Guy Raz?

  A portable bench that you would fold up and carry, yeah?

• 14:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:50Guy Raz?

  And it had like a, had like a seat and a table, obviously, connected?

• 14:54Speaker 01

  It, it didn't have the seat. It had just this table connected. And I would, I'd buy the sawhorse at, at Home Depot, a foldable metal sawhorse, and I'd make this little custom top for, um, sighting in your rifle. And I sold some to friends and family, and I sold some to a local sporting goods store in Austin called McBride's. But I, you know, I quickly realized that this product, or the market opportunity, wasn't going to be enough to support a full-time business, or myself. And, uh, quickly realized I needed a pivot.

• 15:26Guy Raz?

  Right.

• 15:26Speaker 01

  And, um, you know, our dad, Roger, he was already messing around with boats. Uh, we were getting these aluminum hulls built down in Florida, bringing them up to my dad's shop there in Driftwood, and rigging them out. And these boats were specialized for the way we were fishing down.

• 15:43Guy Raz?

  Like shallow water, right?

• 15:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, shallow water.

• 15:45Guy Raz?

  Yeah.

• 15:45Speaker 01

  Uh, you know, chasing redfish with the fly rod. Um, you know, the great thing about the Texas coast, there's just thousands of acres of backcountry shallow water fishing. And, uh, again, I learned a lot about how specialized the boat business is, and I learned how difficult the boat business was. And, uh, my dad's joke was, "Well, Roy, if you don't sell too many boats, you can stay in business," meaning I was losing money on every boat I sold.

• 16:14Guy Raz?

  Yeah, because you would buy the hull, right, the aluminum hull, you'd haul it out to back home to Texas, and then you would outfit it and put in, and customize it. Do you remember, like, how much did it cost you, and how much would you sell a boat for?

• 16:27Speaker 01

  Oh, I bet it cost, you know, everything with the motor, cost over 10 grand, right?

• 16:33Guy Raz?

  Right.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  But I'd, I'd put a million hours into each boat. I mean, it took a long time to assemble it and put it together. And then, you know, I'd turn around and sell it for 15 grand, or whatever it was. So, it was a losing deal.

• 16:45Guy Raz?

  It's interesting, because I, I mean, well, from what I understand, right, while you're, while you're basically rigging these boats, and, and then selling them, right? You're putting in nice, you know, motor, and a nice, you know, rubber floor, but you're also putting coolers in there, right? Because you need a cooler in there to, for drinks, and also to throw your fish in. Um, and that, I guess, was, it wasn't the first time, presumably, you guys had exposure to coolers, because you're, you guys are fishermen. But it was, I guess, the first time that you sort of were using coolers in a business setting, like, in a, you know, in, in something that you were actually selling.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I was putting a few coolers on the boat, two to three coolers on each boat. And we were using the coolers to keep our fish fresh and our drinks cold. And, but we'd also use them as seats, you know, in front of the center console, or behind the center console. And occasionally, we'd put one up on the bow of the boat to be used as a casting platform.

• 17:41Guy Raz?

  To stand on top of.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. You stand on top of it, and you, what you're doing is you're elevating yourself off the, off the bow of the boat to get visibility as you're sight casting to these redfish.

• 17:52Guy Raz?

  You're, you're in such shallow water, you can actually see where the fish is.

• 17:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:55Guy Raz?

  And you're casting right, and like, right, sort of in the direction that it's swimming.

• 18:00Speaker 01

  You literally, you're not casting until you see the fish. So, with these coolers that were available to me at the time, really didn't match up to the rest of the quality of the boat, right? And, and like you said, we grew up using coolers, you know, for all of our outdoor pursuits. But putting them on the boats has really exposed me to kind of the frustrations of ordinary coolers falling apart. When you, uh, our daily abuse, and our daily wear and tear, the hinges would break, the latches would snap. And, um, I think this was kind of my lightbulb moment for, uh, you know, realizing that, man, these coolers are, they would fall apart with little or no use. And, and really, they, they'd

• 18:43Speaker 01

  become a seasonal product. You use it for a season, you throw it away, you replace it, you put it on, on a new one.

• 18:49Guy Raz?

  Got it. And meanwhile, Ryan, um, I guess you have kind of a lightbulb moment as well, uh, because I guess at some point, you're in Florida for a trade show. And you go into like a hardware store or something and you actually see some coolers that catch your eye.

• 19:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, so basically I was out in Florida and I think we had a, it was Mark Caslow's Shallow Water Fishing Expo and me and a buddy had driven out there in my dad's van. And we walked into that Ace Hardware and I turned to the left and saw this big pile of coolers and they were, I mean, the first thing I noticed about them was they were heavy duty and I'd never seen anything like it compared to the iglues or the Coleman's. And that caught my eye and I was thinking, hey, Roy needs this on his boats. It'll solve our, our problem of tearing up these coolers every trip almost, you know?

• 19:42Guy Raz?

  All right, so Roy, you find out about these coolers. What struck you, what struck you about them? Like what made them different?

• 19:47Speaker 01

  Our problem with ordinary coolers was a durability issue. You know, we weren't real concerned with ice retention. Our frustration was way more about durability. You know, the durability around the hinges and it was roto molded and thicker walls. And so everything about it was just beefier, meant to last, unlike ordinary coolers that would fall apart. So, you know, I saw it right away as a solution for the boats, but it is also, I recognized if we're frustrated with ordinary coolers falling apart, others were too, right? So I, I got ahold of the distributor that had been importing them into the US and I said, hey, I think I could sell some of these coolers around Texas.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  Is there any chance I can get a distributor price? Like I need to be able to go out and resell to retailers.

• 20:38Guy Raz?

  Yeah.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  And so they set me up as a distributor for Texas and I just, I started knocking on doors and selling them to small mom and pop sporting goods stores and hardware stores. You know, where I sold that shooting bench McBride's in Austin, I walked in there and I gave them a sales pitch around this new cooler and, you know, asked for a stocking order.

• 21:01Guy Raz?

  And, and these were, and the company's called Icy Tech, right? Thailand manufactured, but it was branded as a like-

• 21:08Speaker 01

  As Icy Tech.

• 21:09Guy Raz?

  Right, and Icy Tech was a US-based brand or?

• 21:11Speaker 01

  No, it was an Australian-based brand.

• 21:13Guy Raz?

  Okay. And just to clarify, like from what I understand, because you, you mentioned like, like a roto molding, rotational molding, because, and I think most people can, can picture what an igloo ice chest is like. But what made this different was the plastic was heavy duty. It's like, almost like industrial strength plastic that was so strong, you could stand on it and you could sit on it and it just, and it was heavier. Is that a fair description?

• 21:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was heavier. It's, roto molding is a, is a manufacturing process where you take polyethylene, which is a plastic pellet form resin, and you put it into a hollow mold and you begin to coat the walls and it really piles up in the corners and makes for a real durable part. And the overall wall thickness is quite a bit larger as well. You know, I remember in the early days and when a customer called up and said, well, tell me about your product, what makes it durable? I'd say, it's roto molded. And I said, it's the same process used to make whitewater kayaks. And all of a sudden they get that imagery of a, you know, heavy duty, single piece plastic part.

• 22:19Guy Raz?

  All right, so you basically contacted this company and you have a business outfitting boats, so, and they were probably a small company, right? I mean, I can't imagine like, because you're a young guy, but, but they were perfectly fine to give you a distribution deal to sell these.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, they were a small company. I think they saw an opportunity with myself and hustling in Texas to go open up doors for them. And that's what I did. So I, you know, I started buying them a couple dozen units at a time. And then pretty soon that snowballed into where I was, I was importing them directly from Thailand where the manufacturing was happening.

• 23:01Guy Raz?

  Under the brand name Icy Tech?

• 23:03Speaker 01

  Yes, under the brand name Icy Tech.

• 23:06Guy Raz?

  So, so Roy, it sounds like the, the boat outfitting business at a certain point didn't make sense any longer, right? Because it wasn't sustainable. Like it sounds like you kind of just bagged that business and just focused on selling these ice chests.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I let the boat business go pretty quick and, and just strictly focused on building the school of business as a distributor.

• 23:30Guy Raz?

  And, you know, I imagine, given that your dad had a relationship with probably some, some mom and pop hunting and fishing stores because of his business, you had already developed some relationships, right? Presumably trying to get people to buy your boats and probably that relationship that you had helped.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  Well, I think maybe my dad's contacts maybe opened a few doors for us, but at the end of the day, we, we just knew the fishing tackle industry and it was more about knocking on doors and giving them a product demonstration.

• 24:01Guy Raz?

  All right, meantime, your business, Ryan, sounds like, based on what I've read, it was fine. You were selling enough to sort of sustain a life, but you kind of started to feel after, what, eight years into this, that maybe it wasn't going to go anywhere beyond where it was.

• 24:21Speaker 02

  I, I mean, I had never really looked past building rods. You know, that's the only thing I'd ever really known. And one of my best customers at the time in 2005, he asked if I would consider selling Waterloo. And he had the idea of a young guy to run it down there closer to him and-

• 24:38Guy Raz?

  So you loved these rods?

• 24:39Speaker 02

  He loved them. He was by far my best individual customer. And I thought it was interesting that he was curious about buying the company, you know, moving it down closer to the coast, but I really didn't think much of it, you know? And, and I was up late one night working, I got a call from him and he said, hey, what would you sell this company for? And I kind of thought off the top of my head of what it would take for me to save up some money and what I thought was get ahead at the time. So I, I named a price and as soon as I said it, he said, sold. And my heart just sunk because as soon as he said, sold, I was thinking, oh, I might have undershot this deal.

• 25:20Guy Raz?

  So you, when you sold it, I mean, you know, again, you're 31, 32. I, from what I gather, it wasn't like going to set you up for life. It wasn't going to be enough money so you didn't have to work, but it was a nice, nice check. It allowed you to like, take your time for, I guess, a year or so to figure things out, right? But we're not talking about, you know, a million dollars. It was-

• 25:41Speaker 02

  No, but I think in the end, when I closed, I had just under $200,000. And at the time, capital gains was like 15%. Pay those taxes. I went out and bought a used Rolex from my buddy and a Beretta shotgun. I was, I was on cloud nine, you know, I mean?

• 25:58Guy Raz?

  Yeah.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  Let's go hunting.

• 26:00Guy Raz?

  I love it. All right, so you got your, you got your Rolex and you have your shotgun and you're happy, you're going hunting. Okay. But you know, you've got to, you've got to make a living.

• 26:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, I had never worked for anybody else. I'd never put together a resume. I'd never had any other job that was paying me other than just helping out my dad or building fishing rods. That's it. And so January rolls around, 2006, and you know, I could see Roy was getting pretty busy distributing Icy Tech. You know, I could see he's getting stressed out, so I call him up in January when hunting season's over for me. And I said, hey, would you let me come down and help you in the warehouse? I could see you got a lot going on. He said, yeah, come on down, I'll pay you $10 an hour to help out. And I'm like, see you in 30 minutes, you know? I'll be there.

• 26:46Guy Raz?

  So Roy, you're, you hire your brother because you're, basically your business at this point was selling these Icy Tech coolers.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's correct. You know, by the time Ryan sold Waterloo, I'd been distributing Icy Tech for just over two years now. And I'd built a pretty good business, you know, probably maybe as many as 100 retailers. And I was out there continuing to hustle and pick up new accounts, going to trade shows. So when Ryan showed up in, in January of 2006, it was a, it was pretty good timing on, man, I could use some help in here, whether it was answering the phone or helping me in the warehouse or helping, you know, go to these trade shows.

• 27:26Guy Raz?

  So I, I'm curious because, I mean, right now at this point, you are doing well as an Icy Tech, basically as, not working for the company, but you're getting a cut from every sale on these coolers. And like roughly, like, I mean, do you think at the end of the year, like you were pulling in, you know, over 100 grand?

• 27:47Speaker 01

  No, probably not that much yet. You know, maybe 50 grand, 60 grand, something like that.

• 27:52Guy Raz?

  But you hired your brother?

• 27:53Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 27:54Guy Raz?

  You were paying him?

• 27:55Speaker 01

  $10 an hour.

• 27:56Guy Raz?

  Okay, nice.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  And he was wearing his Rolex. And we continued to open up accounts and grow the business together. But maybe at the time it felt temporary until he figured out what he was, he was going to do next.

• 28:09Guy Raz?

  All right, here's my question. You've got two clearly ambitious guys, brothers. You're selling a product for another brand, right? It's not your brand, it's another brand. And I'm thinking-

• 28:23Guy Raz?

  Was that okay? Were you starting to think, hey, I should, maybe I could do this? Or not, not quite?

• 28:29Speaker 01

  So there's a couple of things going on, you know, although that original Thailand Icy Tech cooler, it was a good product, but there was a lot of opportunity for improvement. As soon as you ship this cooler out into the field and you have a failure with the customer, it was a big expensive process to have the customer ship it back to you and then replace it. And I think that's when I started losing sleep thinking about what would be the ultimate cooler if we were going to build a cooler for ourselves, the way we used them.

• 28:59Guy Raz?

  All right. There's something else I think is interesting because you are selling Icy Tech branded coolers, but from what I've read, I went, they had some agreement, some distribution or licensing agreement that meant that that brand could not be sold in the US, starting in 2006.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. So the original distributor that was bringing the Icy Tech coolers into the US market, he trademarked Icy Tech in the US. So really, as soon as he departed the business, I could no longer use that Icy Tech name.

• 29:35Guy Raz?

  Which, which was a blessing in disguise.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:39Guy Raz?

  Okay. So you know, you guys start talking about, hey, maybe, maybe we build our own. But before we, we, we talk about that, what was wrong? What was the issue you had with the existing coolers?

• 29:52Speaker 01

  Well, you know, there were some quality issues in whether it was a leaking drain plug or a bowed lid, but there was also some functional issues. You know, when, when you're putting these coolers on boats, you need the ability to strap them down, tie them down to the boat. And so some of the design ideas I had were putting a tie down slot on either side of the cooler. So I could run a one inch strap through there and lock it down to the boat.

• 30:20Guy Raz?

  That was already molded in the plastic.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  That's right. Molded as, as part of the, the cooler itself.

• 30:25Guy Raz?

  Yeah.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  You know, rubber feet were important. And, you know, I started thinking about, okay, having rubber feet, one, it keeps it from sliding around in the bed of your truck or your boat, but it also protects the fiberglass finish on your floor of your boat. A full frame gasket that has a better job sealing it and hinges that weren't, were not, you know, a component that were actually molded into the, to the rotor molded part. So that the lid and the base of the cooler, you know, are part of the hinge system and you're running a quarter inch stainless steel rod through there. So the design that, you know, I was had in my head is purely functional utility. And I put a texture on the top of the lid

• 31:10Speaker 01

  so you could stand on it.

• 31:11Guy Raz?

  Like a sandy, like a

• 31:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:13Guy Raz?

  rough texture.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  Make it non-slip. And about the time Ryan showed up, I was already booking a flight to go see that Thailand factory.

• 31:21Guy Raz?

  So these were all ideas you had, but you had to figure out if you could do this. Ryan, I just wanted to ask, bring, bring you in for a second, ask you like, what do you remember talking to your brother about? Or do you remember saying, hey, we could do this? We could make this? We could create a brand? Or was it not quite fully formed yet?

• 31:42Speaker 02

  You know, I don't think it was quite fully formed. I would say that going over to Thailand to the Icy Tech factory where the Icy Tech cooler was being produced, we were hoping that they would work with us, you know, in an effort to not have failures once the cooler left our warehouse.

• 31:59Guy Raz?

  Yeah. So when you get to Thailand, right? You go and visit this factory and you meet the guy who's running it, I guess, or somebody there. And tell me the story of what, what you guys, of the conversation you had.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  So the, the original intent was to work on the quality issues and, and try to solve for some of those problems. And I think setting foot on the factory floor, we quickly realized why we were having these problems, you know, lots of manual labor, lots of customization, lots of imperfect manufacturing process. You know, one example is I kept wondering why the bottom of our coolers had a red stain, right? As they came into the US, you'd flip it over and there'd be real faint red stain on the bottom. Well, they would take the, the plastic cooler out of the mold and they would set it on their floor, which was this,

• 32:54Speaker 01

  this dirt red clay floor. And, and so we were really, we were dealing with the dirt floor manufacturing.

• 33:01Guy Raz?

  So the heat, the, the warm cooling, it would just absorb some of that clay?

• 33:05Speaker 01

  Yes, that's right.

• 33:06Guy Raz?

  Cause these were white, I guess, these, these coolers.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're white.

• 33:09Guy Raz?

  All right. And you guys didn't have, I mean, you were, you didn't have a whole lot of capital. You were ambitious, but like, you didn't have, you didn't have much of a choice. Like, I have to assume that if they were willing to work with you, you would have worked with them.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so. But we realized that this factory wasn't capable of building a design for us from the ground up.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  And they really didn't want to listen, from what I remember, you know, when, when Roy was talking about ideas for improving the cooler. I mean, it was just kind of in one ear and out the other. And just really didn't want to talk about improvement or design change and stuff like that. You know, I kind of felt like we ran into a wall there talking to those guys.

• 33:50Guy Raz?

  But you also, you were going to go visit another factory, I guess. This is a trip to Asia. So you're going to Thailand, but then you were also going to go somewhere else. Tell me, you know, how did you even know about another place to go to?

• 34:04Speaker 01

  So this was the early days of searching for manufacturers online. And I found this factory in the Philippines that was making a cooler for the Australian market. And I reached out to this manufacturer in advance of our Thailand trip. And I said, hey, we're going to be over in Southeast Asia. We sell this Icy Tech cooler. And do you mind if we come visit you during our trip? So we started this conversation with this supplier in the Philippines. And other than just that email communication, we really had no idea what type of factory it was, who we were dealing with.

• 34:40Guy Raz?

  But you knew what they made?

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, we knew that they made a cooler.

• 34:43Guy Raz?

  And it was a similar kind of product?

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right.

• 34:46Guy Raz?

  When you get, just, just out of curiosity, this is like a what, three hour flight, I think, from Bangkok to Manila?

• 34:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:51Guy Raz?

  And who is the guy, I mean, you have a contact there you're dealing with and, and who, like, what do you?

• 34:58Speaker 01

  His name is, his name is Ivan Brown. He was a Australian expat living in the Philippines and, and opened up this factory to make a cooler for the Australian market.

• 35:09Guy Raz?

  Got it. So he, he picks you guys up at the airport?

• 35:11Speaker 01

  Yes. And actually, the flight from Bangkok to Manila was more expensive than our flight from, you know, the US to Bangkok. And Ryan and I are second guessing ourselves here. Like, do we really want to go visit this factory and spend this type of money to go over there? And Ryan was like, well, why don't you just go without me? And then I was like, man, I don't want to go without you. Maybe we shouldn't go. And then basically we talked ourselves into going, like, we're already here. We're already in Thailand. Let's just take this three hour flight. And then we land in the Philippines.

• 35:44Guy Raz?

  All right. So Ryan, you guys land in the Philippines. What do you remember about your first impressions getting there?

• 35:49Speaker 02

  Oh, so, you know, this was a hundred percent outside of our comfort zone, you know, growing up in Driftwood, going to these countries, you know, we'd never had any reason to go to. But I remember flying in and you're signing your paperwork as you're on the plane, your customs paperwork in big red letters, death to drug traffickers, you know, and, and it was just, it felt really funny to go there. Well, we roll in having never met this guy and, you know, Ivan, he picks us up in like a Zulu Trooper type vehicle. And it was a lot of traffic, really crowded. Well, come to find out, kind of like watering your yard where you either have an even or odd, you know, address on when you can water

• 36:34Speaker 02

  your yard during a drought. That's how they control traffic in, in Manila. And so he had the wrong license plate that day to be driving around. So as we're leaving the airport, you have these kids with machine guns trying to stop us. He's trying to bribe them to let it, let us go. And we, we get a little speed built up and, and one of them steps out in front of us and Ivan just keeps on going. That guy steps out of the way. And it was a wild experience. I didn't know if we were going to end up in jail or what was going to happen. But we end up making it to his factory that was inside the old US Clark Air Force Base, which is out of, I think the name of the town there was Angeli City.

• 37:13Speaker 01

  And, you know, the first thing is we walk into his factory floor and it has concrete floors. And so that's a big improvement, right? And he's an engineer by his background and, and started sharing some of these ideas that I had built up in my head over the years. And his machinery and equipment was definitely more advanced than the Thailand manufacturer. So you could see right away that this was going to be our path to making our own cooler.

• 37:43Guy Raz?

  When we come back in just a moment, Roy and Ryan head down that path to a brand new manufacturer. And it works out great, until they get a horrible piece of news. Stay with us. I'm Guy Raz and you're listening to How I Built This.

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• 41:36Guy Raz?

  Hey, welcome back to How I Built This. I'm Guy Raz. So it's 2006. And after realizing that their manufacturer in Thailand doesn't want to make improvements to the IcyTech, Ryan and Roy connect with a guy named Ivan, who has a factory in the Philippines.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  So on that trip, we had found our future. We had found the factory that we were going to work with. And he was already building a cooler for the Australian market. We essentially white labeled that. But at the same time, we started developing the original Yeti that was designed from the ground up with our own ideas.

• 42:14Guy Raz?

  OK, so to clarify, initially, just to get your business off the ground, you figured, OK, let's just buy the off-the-shelf ones. We'll put our label on it. While we actually developed this cooler we've been dreaming about, it's going to take us some time, but let's just get this going with existing inventory.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  That's exactly right. The minimum would be a container load, like a 20-foot container load would be the minimum order. So yeah, it was kind of a handshake deal. Let's do it. And by this point, after visiting him, up until this point, we knew we were going to start with our own brand, but we didn't have that brand name yet.

• 42:51Guy Raz?

  Yeah, I'm curious. How much would a container load cost at that time?

• 42:56Speaker 01

  I think, if I remember correctly, around $30,000. And that was probably for a 40-foot container. And that would be roughly 300 units, maybe 350 units, coolers of different sizes.

• 43:10Guy Raz?

  And you guys must have been pretty confident you could sell those because you knew that you had sold these IcyTech coolers before. And so you knew how to bring them in. But still, 30 grand. I mean, for two guys who are worried about the cost of flying from Bangkok to Manila, that's no joke.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  No, it's not. But I knew the demand was there in the US. And at this point, with IcyTech, I built out a pretty good book of business. And I knew if I could get coolers in there on the retail shelves, that there'd be sell-through. And the frustration that we had with ordinary coolers falling apart, that frustration was real. And we were providing something that was a solution to it.

• 43:51Guy Raz?

  So you guys go back to Texas. Tell me about how you start to think, because you're going to start importing these blank chests, coolers, without a brand name to it. Tell me a little about that conversation you started to have.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  It was literally on the flight home. Ryan and I were sitting side by side. And we started putting together a list of potential brand names. And I think going back to our dad's business and growing up in the industry, I think we had a pretty clear idea of what made a strong name or a strong brand. I could remember using Sage Flyrod as a kid, which was one of my dad's customers. And it's a very premium, high-end flyrod. And I loved that name. Sage is named after the green stripe in the back of a rainbow trout. On the other hand, you had another very premium flyrod called Gee Loomis, another one of my dad's customers. And it was named after the founder, Gary Loomis.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  And I remember thinking to myself as a kid how terrible that was to name a brand after a founder. And I think we had a pretty good feel for what made a strong name. And so we began to put together that list on the flight home from the Philippines.

• 45:09Guy Raz?

  What were some of the names you were talking about?

• 45:11Speaker 01

  I think Sherpa made the original list. Tundra made the original list. And those are two names we used later.

• 45:19Guy Raz?

  You wanted names that would evoke fishing or hunting or something else?

• 45:25Speaker 01

  Really cold durability. Sherpa is a Himalayan mountain guide, the frozen tundra. And it has kind of a tough filth to it, tundra does. But we also felt like Toyota, tundra truck. They kind of owned that name. And Yeti made the original list of names. And I think right away, I liked it. I liked that it had a kind of a punchy sound. I liked that it's this Himalayan ice monster that's from a tough, cold environment. I liked that it had four letters, like Sage.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  Looked good on a hat.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  I felt like we probably had a winner on that list. But I get home and I start losing sleep thinking about this name, knowing how important that decision was on a brand name. So I go out to like 20 family and friends, and I start running through these 10 names. And I'd get their feedback, which you better be careful what you ask for because you start getting their feedback. And Yeti got mixed reviews at best. For some people, it felt too cartoonish. For others, even gross, this hairy, smelly Bigfoot, possibly. And so I got out of that informal polling, and I was way more confused than I went into it.

• 46:45Speaker 01

  So I just like, gosh, I don't know if I'm making the right decision here. But what happened next was the validator. I went back to the same group of 20 people like two weeks later. And I had one question. I said, hey, out of my list of 10 names, which ones can you remember? That's the only question I had. And all 20 people, they could remember maybe one or two names at best. But the one constant they all could remember was Yeti.

• 47:13Guy Raz?

  Wow.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  So that was all the validation I needed. Whether they liked it or not, it struck a chord. And that's marketing 101.

• 47:21Guy Raz?

  Love it. And you could have, and you probably thought about Sasquatch or Bigfoot or other names too, like that. OK, so Yeti, this is 2006, so you land on Yeti. And how did you guys, your brothers, how are you going to structure this business?

• 47:38Speaker 01

  So up until this point, Ryan was still on his $10 an hour salary. But we knew that we were going to partner up. And I had a decent balance sheet from distributing the IcyTech coolers over the years. And Ryan's buy-in to get 49.5% of the company was to use some of his proceeds from his Waterloo sale. And so he bought the first three container loads of product that came in from the Philippines.

• 48:12Guy Raz?

  Got it, so about 100?

• 48:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, 100 grand.

• 48:14Guy Raz?

  About 100 grand. Yeah. And Ryan, it sounds like you're looking at this business because your brother was going to be the CEO. But it sounds like you didn't really have an, it wasn't about egos. You were looking at it and you're like, well, he's been in this business longer. He's got a lot of knowledge.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. Roy and I had always got along well. And I was just thrilled to be a part of it. I did have this money that I could buy the first three container loads cost. Eventually, we kind of got to 50/50 and we went to a family friend that's a lawyer and he said, hey, you don't ever want to own anything 50/50. And so it was just automatic. Hey, Roy, you're 50.5, I'm 49.5. I was excited as I could be, you know?

• 48:59Guy Raz?

  Yeah. Okay. So now you're going to wait for your first container load, or the first three, I guess, to come in. And how many coolers would fit in? Because at this point, you're just selling one size, right?

• 49:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, so we're selling multiple sizes of this first generation cooler that was called the Yeti Sherpa. And so roughly 350 units could fit on the container load. We started selling through that and then we got another one coming on the water. So that was over a period of a few months.

• 49:29Guy Raz?

  And you had a warehouse already because from the time you were working with IcyTech?

• 49:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I had a warehouse just down the street from where we grew up.

• 49:36Guy Raz?

  So I'm thinking that first cooler that's coming in, or that first container, is it just the two of you unloading cooler by cooler stacking them up in the warehouse? Or did you start, did you bring in some people to help you?

• 49:48Speaker 01

  No, it was us. Like, it would take us a full, you know, three hours to unload a container.

• 49:54Guy Raz?

  It's like one by one by one. And were they in the container? Were they in like cardboard boxes?

• 49:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, they were already prepackaged, ready to be shipped back out in a cardboard box.

• 50:04Guy Raz?

  So I'm assuming you went back to the existing retailers that you had relationships with through IcyTech and said, hey, we got this, you know, very similar cooler, better new brand you guys in. Is that what you started to do?

• 50:16Speaker 01

  Yes, that's exactly right. We had the network of retailers that we'd built out over the years and we basically introduced them to a new, better product. So it was a natural way to introduce it. And at that point, we started phasing out the Thailand cooler.

• 50:31Guy Raz?

  You start phasing it, so and moving entirely to the Philippines produce cooler. Did you have any issues with, because an Igloo cooler was like 30, 50 bucks, right? Or a Coleman or something like, did you have any issues with some of these stores saying, I don't know, like, because just help me understand, like, at that time, probably just making one cooler and then shipping it must have cost you at least 100 bucks per cooler?

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a pretty good, you know, I think by the time it landed in our warehouse, $100 would be about right. But yeah, part of the challenge was convincing these retailers to resell our products. And a lot of them got it right away, but there's a lot of, you know, pushback based on the pricing, like, hey, my customers, they won't spend $300, $400 on a cooler. So I can't tell you, you know, how much resistance we got with this initial, you know, trying to sell these into these retailers with, you know, a premium product. But there was a pretty unique dynamic going on where when I walked into McBride's

• 51:38Speaker 01

  in Austin, or Behrings Hardware in Houston, or the Tackle Box in San Antonio, which are small little sporting goods stores or hardware stores, none of those guys were selling coolers. Although every single customer that was walking through their door was a cooler user. Like, if you're walking into a sporting goods store, you're a cooler user. So we weren't replacing another product on their shelves. We were giving them a cooler to sell. And the reason they weren't carrying coolers is because the big guys, the Coleman's and the Igloos, they were chasing the mass market retailer. They were chasing-

• 52:14Guy Raz?

  Walmart, Target.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  Yes. And probably at one time, those cooler companies had a decent product, but after years and years of competing for that shelf space at Walmart and Target, it was a cost of engineering exercise and it was a race to the bottom. You know, the prices were low and the quality reflected that, which ultimately created our frustration, but also it created a huge void in the market. Because a small sporting goods store with limited square footage, they can't make any money off of a $40 cooler, you know?

• 52:49Guy Raz?

  No, they're going to make five bucks.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right. And it's all about, at these small shops, it's inventory turns, you know, dollars generated per square foot. And so here we are, we showed up with this $300 or $400 cooler, and we gave them a product to sell that was actually differentiated than what was being sold at Walmart down the road, and they could put $100 in their pocket after they sold one.

• 53:13Guy Raz?

  In other words, you guys, it costs you about 100 bucks to make it, you sell it to the shop for maybe 180 or 200, okay, and then they can turn around and sell for 300?

• 53:24Speaker 01

  That's exactly right. And knowing that every customer that walked into those doors was a potential buyer, all you had to do was convert a small percentage of them to make it successful.

• 53:36Guy Raz?

  So let's talk for a moment about divide and conquer. Like, Roy, it sounds like you were out there pounding the pavement, trying to convince store by store. It's a lot of work, right? One retailer at a time. Tell me a little bit about how you guys were dividing things up, Ryan. I mean, were you-

• 53:56Speaker 02

  I think Roy really was more about product design and running the business. And Roy had a family at the time, he had married and kids, and I was not. So I could really hit the road at that time. So by the time I got there and the coolers started coming in, Yeti branded coolers, I was going to trade shows in an effort to find new retailers.

• 54:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think early on, you know, we thought that this was, this company was going to be very similar to our parents, where we could handle it, maybe hire one or two, you know, employees to help us in the warehouse or answering the phone. And, you know, we quickly realized this opportunity was going to be bigger than what we grew up with.

• 54:40Guy Raz?

  How did you, how did you realize that?

• 54:42Speaker 01

  Just, you know, the demand. The demand was coming.

• 54:45Guy Raz?

  But in that, you know, obviously, trade shows would get more distribution, but it sounds like really you're focusing on Austin, San Antonio, places within a few hours drive.

• 54:54Speaker 01

  We were really focusing on the Gulf Coast states, you know, that's what got us into the cooler business.

• 54:59Guy Raz?

  Like Texas, Louisiana, Alabama?

• 55:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, down into Florida.

• 55:03Guy Raz?

  And you didn't have to create a use case because people were using them for putting fish or drinks. Really, you were just, all you had to say was, it's just better. You didn't have to say, here's how you can use it.

• 55:15Speaker 01

  All, every one of our customers had been using coolers their whole life, you know, in their outdoor pursuits. So they, I think they could recognize right away that this was a different animal, that this was a better product. And like I said, there was a frustration in the market around durability. Ice retention was kind of a secondary piece to it. And with thicker walls and a full frame gasket, people could recognize that, oh, this thing's going to hold ice longer. And then we did start leaning into product marketing and educating the consumer on the why.

• 55:49Guy Raz?

  And I read that, that somebody who, I guess, really helped out with that was this guy named Walt Larson, who ran an advertising firm in Minneapolis. And he, I guess he was pretty well known in the industry, right? And what, like, you guys met him at a trade show?

• 56:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. I was at the ICAST trade show one summer, actually, that Fish and Tackle Manufacturers trade show. And Walt walked by, stopped, you know, I'm running the booth. And, you know, at the time, I didn't know who he was, but he stopped and said, hey, Ryan, you know, I've walked the whole trade show and your product is really the only one that gets me excited. He says, I think you got a great product, but I don't think you're doing a very good job of educating the consumer of why they would pay $300 or $400 for a cooler. And I came home, told Roy about him, and I think we were planning up to see him the next week. And, you know, he had a compelling case for how we needed to educate the consumer.

• 56:46Speaker 02

  You know, when someone pays $300 or $400 for a cooler, they're going to justify it to their buddies.

• 56:52Guy Raz?

  Yeah.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  And it started with a tagline that he helped us create called, you know, wildly stronger, keep ice longer, right? And then we built off of that.

• 57:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. And he was real big into customer testimonials and into, you know, having like kind of a pro staff. At the time, outdoor television was huge. You know, the Outdoor Channel, the Sportsman's Channel, there was one called Outdoor Life Network, and it was kind of at its peak.

• 57:21Guy Raz?

  But you guys didn't have a budget to advertise on those places, did you?

• 57:24Speaker 01

  You know, we didn't have a budget, but we, you know, we were growing the business and we were cash flow positive and, you know-

• 57:33Guy Raz?

  From year one, you were cash flow positive?

• 57:35Speaker 01

  Man, we really were. We were living off the land outside of Yeti, right?

• 57:41Guy Raz?

  Yeah.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  Kathy, my wife, was teaching school. I was driving my high school pickup truck, living in a house that my parents owned out on their property in Driftwood. And so we were taking no money out of the business. And like our dad's company, you know, our dad never went to outside funding, you know, he built it from, by bootstrapping it. And that's, that's just what we knew. We had to make this thing work by itself.

• 58:06Guy Raz?

  It wasn't even on your, on your horizon, the idea of, oh, let's go raise money. Like, it wouldn't even have occurred to you at that time?

• 58:11Speaker 01

  No, no, not at all. We did end up working with a local bank to get a revolving line of credit to get us through seasonality, but never did we ever consider going out and raising money to bring in an outside investor.

• 58:25Guy Raz?

  Okay. So it's, you know, 2006, great, first start, you've got full year, 2007, I think you guys at least doubled 2007 in sales.

• 58:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think we went from a half million to 1.2. So we doubled.

• 58:40Guy Raz?

  So you could see momentum. And again, it's like store by store by store. And I wonder, because Ryan, you were doing a lot of that, that traveling and also going to trade shows.

• 58:53Guy Raz?

  Did you ever try to pitch one of the big stores like, like, you know, Cabela's or Bass? Or I mean, did you ever, or were you just too small at that point?

• 59:03Speaker 02

  You know, at, at the time, you know, I would hang around the trade shows and in hopes of getting a Bass Pro Shop or a Cabela's type buyer to stop by. But it really worked in our favor to go to these independently owned sporting goods type stores, you know, with the bigger guys. Once you get these bigger customers, they start naming their terms and, and hitting you with all kinds of penalties and stuff like that. And so I felt like, once we started selling to some of these bigger accounts, we had the power to say no when they were trying to push us around because we didn't have to have them. We had a really diverse retailer network that we could sell all

• 59:44Speaker 02

  the product we could get and all the product that we could manufacture and had the power to not get bullied by any of the, the bigger guys.

• 59:53Guy Raz?

  And meantime, Roy, you're still obsessed with this cooler design. So were you going like 2007? Are you faxing or email, maybe emailing at this point? Design schemes back and forth to Ivan in the Philippines?

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  No, actually Ryan and I ended up flying back over to the Philippines in 2007. And we're making a replica by hand with their mold makers. And Ivan and I are hand sketching my design ideas. We're taking it down to the factory floor. And over the two week period, we have the cooler that's been kind of stuck in my head for the last, you know, couple of years that I've been dreaming about. We have a physical part, integrated hinges, integrated anchors, you know, rubber feet, rope handles, all these things that, that kind of came together. And again, it was purely functionality driven.

• 1:00:50Guy Raz?

  All right. So you guys spent a couple of weeks in 2007, perfecting finally this cooler that is your design. And just out of curiosity, how did you protect it? Right? It's, I mean, Ivan's making them in the Philippines. You trust him. But how do you make sure that no one's going to rip it off? Is there any way to do that at that point?

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was definitely some opportunity to apply some patents or intellectual property.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  But learning from our dad, once again, you know, we grew up understanding that getting a patent is an expensive process, but even more expensive is actually protecting it when you do have infringement. So we felt like it was kind of a waste of resources, you know, instead of playing a prevent defense, it was more about being offensive minded and putting money into the brand.

• 1:01:41Guy Raz?

  It makes so much sense. I mean, you could chase copycats and it could bankrupt your business. And we've had brands on the show that, that went through that. Or you could just focus on really making a brand that people associated with quality.

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  And that's what we were doing. And also, I think it's important to note that we owned our molds. Like when we built these tools, we paid for those tools. So we had ownership of that mold making that created the design.

• 1:02:08Guy Raz?

  Got it. Okay. So you've got, you've got a cooler, I think by early 2008.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're launching 2008 and it was the Yeti Tundra. And we finally got to a place where this is a cooler that we built from the ground up. And we came out with probably at the time, six or seven different sizes.

• 1:02:27Guy Raz?

  And they ranged in price from what to what?

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  Oh, to 45 to six or $700.

• 1:02:33Guy Raz?

  Yeah, I'm just curious because we've had, you know, over the last 10 years doing this show, we've had certain products and certainly in cosmetics where the founder very deliberately priced their product at a premium tier because it signals quality. I mean, it's great because the margins are, are great. But you guys weren't playing that game. Like you were literally pricing it because of the cost to manufacture it, right?

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, our, our pricing exercise was purely driven on what do we need to price it at to make money, right? Today?

• 1:03:05Guy Raz?

  It wasn't like, hey, let's appeal to the psychology of people.

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  No, no. It's like, if we're, if we're going to, you know, buy a cooler for $100, we're going to have to sell it for $300 because $100 is going to the retailer. And then the $100 is going to, you know, us.

• 1:03:23Guy Raz?

  And all of your business at this point is not direct to consumer. It's, it's through retail channels. You're wholesalers.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  The majority of it is through our specialty retail channels. Now, we would sell direct to consumer if they called.

• 1:03:37Guy Raz?

  Or maybe you had a website. I'm sure you had a website by that point.

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  We had a website, but it just had our phone number on it.

• 1:03:42Guy Raz?

  Okay.

• 1:03:42Speaker 01

  So if they called, we were going to sell them. But we weren't going on our way, out of our way to sell direct to consumer.

• 1:03:49Guy Raz?

  Okay. So you guys launched this, this Tundra and it really takes off. I read that, that like, within a few months or maybe weeks, like you're bringing a container a week?

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, that sounds about right. You know, this is 2008. We're hiring a lot of folks to come in to, to help customer service, to warehouse work, to, you know, everything in between. And with Ivan in this Philippine factory, we found the perfect partner to help get Yeti off the ground.

• 1:04:20Guy Raz?

  All right. So everything's going great?

• 1:04:22Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:04:24Guy Raz?

  September 23rd, 2008, you tried reaching Ivan and you can't get ahold of him.

• 1:04:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I, I sent Ivan an email and he didn't respond. And which I thought was a little bit unusual, but I didn't, I didn't think much of it. So I call him that evening, which would have been his next morning. And I get ahold of his wife and that's when we found out that Ivan had tragically passed away.

• 1:04:55Guy Raz?

  On the phone, she says, he's done.

• 1:04:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I don't remember a whole lot about the phone call. I just remember feeling this gut punch. And, and I just, you know, telling her, you know, sorry for her loss. And, you know, I,

• 1:05:16Speaker 01

  it was a pretty big shock to the system.

• 1:05:20Guy Raz?

  I know this is a tough, tough time for you guys because he was a friend and tragically he was, he was killed in the Philippines. What did that mean? I mean, aside from the, just the personal loss, I did, I mean, he was running the factory. Was it going to affect inventory? I mean, you were, you were depending on a container coming in a week?

• 1:05:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I, I remember I got off the phone call with his wife and I called Ryan. I shared the news with him. And, you know, I don't, I didn't, it was, it was a big personal loss. So first and foremost, you know, Ivan was more than a business partner. We'd travel over to the Philippines to visit the factory. He would come over to the US and attend trade shows with us. So we had really developed a, a friendship over those few years that we knew him. And, and I don't think I slept at all that night. And, like I said, this 2008, we're going from 1 million to 3 million in sales.

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  I think we have, you know, probably six or seven full-time employees. And I remember Ryan and I went into the office the next morning and we told the small team that we had about what had happened to Ivan. And I think we told them that we're going to make the most of it, but it doesn't look good. And, and there's a good chance that y'all need to go ahead and start looking for your next job opportunity.

• 1:06:54Guy Raz?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  Because we really felt like without Ivan's leadership, this factory was not capable of running without him.

• 1:07:03Guy Raz?

  I'm connecting the dots here. You're thinking, our business is done?

• 1:07:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're thinking it's done.

• 1:07:10Guy Raz?

  When we come back in just a moment, how Ryan and Roy slowly piece their business back together and how they start to market Yeti using bears, real grizzly bears. Stay with us. I'm Guy Raz and you're listening to How I Built This.

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• 1:08:39Guy Raz?

  Hey, welcome back to How I Built This. I'm Guy Raz. So it's the fall of 2008, and Ryan and Roy are reeling from the news that their manufacturing partner, Ivan, has been murdered in the Philippines. The details aren't clear, but what is clear is that the brothers can no longer work with Ivan's factory. So they decide to do something unexpected.

• 1:09:01Speaker 01

  The first thing we did was we sent out a price increase to our retailers. And we probably had 100, maybe 150 retailers at the time, but we felt like if this was going to be our last inventory, we were going to liquidate at a higher margin.

• 1:09:19Guy Raz?

  Basically to maximize cash.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  Maximize cash, perhaps slow things down a little bit.

• 1:09:24Guy Raz?

  While you're trying to figure out.

• 1:09:26Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:09:27Guy Raz?

  So the idea was, let's just raise the price. It might piss some people off, but it'll slow down sales for now, and then we will have time.

• 1:09:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:36Guy Raz?

  And just to clarify, the reason why you couldn't rely on the factory in the Philippines at this point was because, from what I understand, there was a dispute between some folks involved in the factory over who was going to run it. And so manufacturing came to a halt. They were not making anything there for a while.

• 1:09:54Speaker 01

  The factory was shut down.

• 1:09:56Guy Raz?

  And all your molds were there.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  That's right. But long-term, no matter what, even if the factory got back up and running, we really had a lack of confidence that the factory could continue to operate without Ivan's leadership. So as we kind of tried to get the lay of the land and try to figure out next steps, we sent out that price increase. And it was a meaningful price increase, maybe 15%, where it took a cooler that retailed for $295 and pushed it up to $350, which was a meaningful barrier. When you jump that $300 barrier and go to $350, like Yeti was already had a reputation of they're durable, they're well insulated, but damn, they're expensive.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  And so I was bracing myself, sending out that email, and just like, okay, here it comes, Ryan. Let's get ready for all the negative feedback from our retailers. And really, it was crickets. None of the retailers called up. We blamed that price increase on a cost of raw materials increase, which was total bullshit, but we had to tell them something. And what was happening with our retailers is the demand continued to come in their doors, and people were continuing to buy coolers. And they were selling coolers, maybe one or two a week, which was really good numbers for a small retailer like that. And their margin dollar expanded. With that price increase, they were making more money.

• 1:11:27Guy Raz?

  But meantime, how were you trying to frantically get your molds back from the Philippines?

• 1:11:33Speaker 01

  No, we were trying to get them to open back up. And like you said, there was a dispute going on.

• 1:11:40Guy Raz?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  But we also, the second thing we did that same week is we started identifying potential rotor molders that could build our product for us. And this time, we're going to focus on the US.

• 1:11:53Guy Raz?

  Okay.

• 1:11:54Speaker 01

  And there's a big industry, especially in the Midwest, with rotor molding.

• 1:11:58Guy Raz?

  Especially for auto manufacturing, for parts.

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's farm equipment, it's water tanks. There's very little consumer products, other than maybe kayaks. But we started booking flights to go see them. And we wanted to focus on the US because, one, Ivan getting killed was a really big scare for us. And the last thing we wanted to do is go back over to Asia. And then, two, we'd be shedding that overseas freight expense from the shipping containers, which was on a large cubic footprint, like a cooler was a pretty meaningful piece of the cost of the goods. And then we'd be decreasing our turn times and lead times, which would help with our cash cycle.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  So we had a feeling that the US could be competitive, although we'd definitely be paying a premium for labor. And Ryan and I show up to this factory in Iowa, and the first thing they asked is, well, can you share us your CAD files with us? Well, I think at the time, I didn't even know what a CAD file was. We were making these molds.

• 1:13:05Guy Raz?

  On paper?

• 1:13:06Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:13:07Guy Raz?

  And then you didn't have a computer model of it?

• 1:13:09Speaker 01

  No, no. We were making these replicas by hand, the old-school way. So I began to work with one of their engineers to start putting this Tundra into a digital format for the first time. So it wasn't long before that Iowa factory, we had this kind of this next-generation design. And then they also introduced us to these really high-end Italian-made molds. And the fit and finish of the product was just superior to these sandcast molds that we were making in the Philippines. Meanwhile, back over in the Philippines, that factory got up and running again.

• 1:13:50Guy Raz?

  It's back online.

• 1:13:51Speaker 01

  It's back online.

• 1:13:52Guy Raz?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  And we took everything we learned in the US, and we took that technology, and we brought it to the Philippines. We started gaining more and more confidence that this Philippine factory could run without Ivan's leadership. And it wasn't long before the Philippine factory was making this next-generation design as well. So, you know, as tragic and like, oh shit moment as this was, we came out the other end of it 18 months later, just like a much stronger, dual-sourced, better product, financially healthier because of that price increase.

• 1:14:30Guy Raz?

  But it was a nightmare of an 18-month period.

• 1:14:34Speaker 01

  Oh, it was a nightmare.

• 1:14:35Guy Raz?

  Okay, so one of the things that I'm curious about is marketing. And we talked a little about this with Walter Larson, who came aboard. And I saw that already in 2009, early 2009, you created a YouTube channel, which is, this is early YouTube. I mean, this is not, this is still pretty early days on YouTube, when people still thought of it as cats, cats on skateboards. But you put out a YouTube, do you remember what the thinking was behind that? Because, again, you're still, you're growing, but you don't have a massive budget for advertising. And what did you think you were going to do with YouTube at that time?

• 1:15:11Speaker 01

  Well, you know, I felt like we could create some really short videos, talking about the value proposition of Yeti. And I had a high school buddy that owned a camera and some audio equipment. And then we started getting into some funner videos of my friend, the same guy that owned the camera, found this bouncer down on Sixth Street here in Austin, and hired him to come do this video where it's talking about the difference between an igloo cooler and a Yeti.

• 1:15:45Guy Raz?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:46Speaker 01

  And it's this 500-pound man versus a Yeti. It shows him tearing up an igloo, right? Slamming it on the ground, stepping on it, hinges breaking, lid caving in. And then he tries to do the same thing to a Yeti Tundra, and he's stoning off cliffs, he's jumping up and down on it. And just, there's no better way to share durability stories than that kind of funny content.

• 1:16:09Guy Raz?

  The one that I think anyone who knows about your YouTube channel may know is a very, one that I think probably just transformed this whole strategy, which was you had a video of a bear trying to open a Yeti cooler that was packed with peanut butter and fish, fresh fish.

• 1:16:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:28Guy Raz?

  And it's amazing video. Anybody listening can find it. Because, spoiler alert, the bear cannot open it. They cannot open the Yeti cooler, which is, I mean, man, what a great way to explain how good this thing is.

• 1:16:41Speaker 02

  If I remember right, there was an inter-agency grizzly bear committee, and they actually contacted us and said, hey, if we think that your cooler might be able to get certified as a bear-resistant container. So all these places that require bear-resistant containers for camping have to have this certification on the container where you're storing your food. And so we sent out our smallest cooler out there, and then they throw it in there with the grizzly bears that they have at this grizzly bear and wolf research center. And if it can stay out there for two hours without the bear being able to get into it, they'll give you the certification. And it just spoke to the durability of the cooler. I mean.

• 1:17:24Guy Raz?

  It's so cool, because you open it up, I mean, even today.

• 1:17:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:27Guy Raz?

  It says certified bear-resistant. And even if you're not going to be anywhere near a bear, it's just, you know that it's...

• 1:17:32Speaker 01

  It's like, oh, I got a cooler that can withstand a bear attack.

• 1:17:36Guy Raz?

  Amazing. But even at this point, you're not yet on the radar of the big guys, right? You're still too small. Because I kept thinking, like, where are the copycats? When are they going to come in, right?

• 1:17:48Speaker 01

  I kept looking over my shoulder, thinking, man, someone's going to figure us out. You know, I felt like someone that was better capitalized, more resources, engineers, whatever, were going to come in and outdo us, figure out something that was better than us. So, yeah, I think we were running as fast as we could to fill that shelf space at the specialty retailers, because that's where the void was in the market. And I think in 2009 and 10 is when we really, there was a tipping point, and that is when we started getting phone calls from Pennsylvania, and Oregon, and Montana.

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  And these were retailers calling us up and saying, hey, I've had three customers over the last two weeks come in and ask for your product. I guess I need to start reselling them. So we were literally answering the phone and setting up retailers 10 a day.

• 1:18:47Guy Raz?

  You know, one of the things that, I mean, I guess in the mid-2010s, there was so-called cooler wars, where you had a bunch of different... Clones and other brands trying to get into this space. But I guess around 2010, 11, you start to see some brands explore this space. Coleman got into it. Pelican, which makes cases for cameras, starting to make kind of Yeti-style coolers. What do you remember first starting to see? Because it's both a validation, but it's also scary. Right? Because you're like, uh-oh.

• 1:19:25Speaker 02

  Oh, I think there was some concern. I think we joked about someone coming out with the Yeti killer. You know, if I remember right.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  As you know, every healthy, you know, you need some type of competitive landscape. And I think everyone that came into the market, that it seemed like all at one time, they were all fighting it out for second place.

• 1:19:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:47Speaker 01

  And we felt like we had nailed the product and that it was going to be hard to improve on it, which it was.

• 1:19:54Guy Raz?

  Yeah. So, all right. So I imagine now that, you know, once you had $20 million in sales in a year, you're starting to get attention, capture some interest from investors. And at this point, you had not taken in on any money. This was self-financed. And indeed, by the middle of 2012, you guys agreed to sell some of your shares to a private equity group. And that would enable you guys to take some money off the table, retain some ownership. If it was me in your situation, I would have done the same thing because I would have thought, okay, we've been on this journey for six years. There are a lot of big players coming into this space. We're not as well capitalized.

• 1:20:39Guy Raz?

  Like, we do need some institutional backing if we're going to compete. So maybe I'll sell, you know, a chunk of my ownership or most of it and take some money off now and work with this better capitalized group to build it out, our business. Was that your thinking at the time?

• 1:20:57Speaker 01

  So, yeah, in many ways, that's exactly right. I think we looked up in 2011 and Ryan and I had not taken a dime out of the company, or very little, minimal amount to live off of. So we had zero wealth to speak of outside of Yeti. Again, I was driving my high school pickup truck, living in, you know, a house that my parents owned out on their property. And we had some meaningful scares along the way, including the loss of Ivan.

• 1:21:26Guy Raz?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:27Speaker 01

  And we had, you know, competition coming. Now, I think I probably lost more sleep thinking about what if? What if, you know, what if there's a product liability lawsuit? What if there's a volcano that goes off in the Philippines, which is a real thing? And so having all your eggs in one basket and bootstrapping this from day one, you know, it was time to diversify ourselves personally. So mid 2011, we start running a process of taking Yeti to market, which I had, we had no idea what that looked like. But as we kind of narrowed it down to a handful of potential buyers,

• 1:22:07Speaker 01

  we were really just looking for a liquidity event to take some chips off the table, but also a partner that could help us navigate the next stage of growth.

• 1:22:20Guy Raz?

  Yeah, at this point, I think it was the reported amount was like close to $70 million for about a two-thirds. I don't know if that's exactly accurate, but that's, that's what's been reported. But if that is accurate, it's pretty good. You know, you guys are going to walk away with a nice amount of money, which will enable both of you to feel financially secure for life. But you still get to keep a significant percent of the business. I think roughly 10% each, right? Is that, is that about right?

• 1:22:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's about right. You know, I can't remember the exact, you know, after-tax take home, but that's, you know, in the end, it was a life-changing event. When those wires crossed into our bank account, I think I probably slept better that night than I had in the last six years.

• 1:23:10Guy Raz?

  I mean, Ryan, this is better than the, than the Beretta shotgun, the three grand, $3,000 Rolex that you got from the-

• 1:23:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, it was a lot better. And it was a fun, that was a fun process to be a part of, to go to market, to the private equity and have the interest that we did. And pretty soon, you're right back in it and you're excited about the, the future of Yeti, you know?

• 1:23:31Guy Raz?

  Did you, I mean, so up until this point, you were a cooler brand, right? You're making, you're known for coolers. But now you've got Cortex behind you and the product line is going to expand. I think within the first few years, you bring, you introduced the soft bag, the soft cooler bag, and then the drinkware, which from what I read initially, some people on the board thought that might be a distraction, that, that really your cooler business and getting into the insulated cups,

• 1:24:05Guy Raz?

  coffee cups and whatever, was that's not, was not the business for you guys to get into.

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, so to kind of set the stage, Yeti grew to 100 million in sales just on hard coolers alone.

• 1:24:18Guy Raz?

  Wow.

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  That's what, you know, that's-

• 1:24:19Guy Raz?

  This is by, I think this is by 2013.

• 1:24:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right. And up until that point, there was still runway in the, in the hard cooler market. But kind of the, the big knock on us during the sales process is that we were a one-product company. And the, the obvious extension to us was soft coolers. You know, when I walked into Target, the same dynamic existed in soft coolers as it did with hard coolers. They've been commoditized. They would leak, they would fall apart. And so you could see the market opportunity was big. And, you know, by that time, we had built out a good team of engineers and designers. And then Ryan came over to my desk one day and he put a vacuum insulated bottle on my desk. And he said, we need to do something in this space.

• 1:25:07Speaker 01

  And I think it was a clean canteen.

• 1:25:09Guy Raz?

  Yeah, Ryan, what was your, what do you remember about that?

• 1:25:11Speaker 02

  Oh, basically, I had a, one of our dealers that was real successful with the hard coolers. He was a gear guy like me and he, he sent me a vacuum insulated bottle. And I just took it home, put ice in it, drank water out of it. And the next day, there was still ice. And I'm like, this thing's amazing. And vacuum insulation had been around forever with a bunch of different brands. But I took that bottle in and threw it on Roy's desk and said, hey, we need to look at this. And then a month later, Roy shows up at one of our monthly operations meetings with a 30-ounce cup and a 20-ounce cup. He called it a Yeti Rambler. And so I, I didn't have a vision to turn it into a drinking cup,

• 1:25:54Speaker 02

  but I just thought that the vacuum insulation was cool and I'd let Roy take it from there.

• 1:25:58Speaker 01

  After getting Cortex Blessing, it was a real short putt on getting it to market and standing up the supply chain. It wasn't long after that that we introduced these two sizes.

• 1:26:07Guy Raz?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  The 20-ounce and the 30-ounce, no colorways, just stainless steel with a clear plastic lid. And like, we caught lightning in a bottle. And for the first time, Yeti had a product that had mass appeal. It wasn't just our hardcore outdoorsmen that were users. We were selling them to soccer moms. And it was, it was this affordable luxury, you know, that although not everyone can afford a $300 or $400 cooler, they could afford a $30 cup.

• 1:26:35Guy Raz?

  And you had already that double-walled water bottle market was out there, hydro flask, clean canteen, but nobody was thinking about a coffee mug or a cup, a tumbler.

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. Just so happens, a real simple cup design, that market opportunity is so much bigger than, than bottles.

• 1:26:57Guy Raz?

  Right.

• 1:26:58Speaker 01

  And soft coolers came into the market at about that same time. I think they were about a month apart. But it was drinkware that really changed the trajectory of Yeti. And, and we went from 100 million to 400 million-

• 1:27:13Guy Raz?

  That's amazing.

• 1:27:13Speaker 01

  In a matter of 18 months.

• 1:27:15Guy Raz?

  18 months.

• 1:27:16Speaker 01

  In 18 months. And that was highly, highly supply constrained. We could not keep up with demand. And we couldn't even keep up with the cooler demand because the brand awareness, we're selling so many cups, brand awareness was exploding. So drinkware turned into our, half of our business basically overnight, but was elevating the, the entire brand and all of our products.

• 1:27:38Guy Raz?

  I mean, it's an amazing story because it's a, it's a completely new product line. I know that by 2015, right now, that's almost, it's about nine years in, you step down as CEO and Ryan, you step down as president. I imagine, you know, both of you guys now, you know, we have had founders on the show who had private equity come in, got bought out and are still with the business 20 years later because they just lived and breathed it. But it sounds like both of you guys had felt like it was time, you wanted to move on. Tell me, tell me your thinking behind that first, Ryan. Why did you want to step down?

• 1:28:18Speaker 02

  I felt like we had worked, put in a lot of time, you know, during the years of 2006 to 2012. And, and I didn't really want to be pushed anymore. Roy was good at pushing me, getting me to work harder and, and really kind of seize this opportunity up. And, you know, once we had some financial security, I was ready to do more hunting and fishing and family things.

• 1:28:44Guy Raz?

  It wasn't like, you weren't like, I'm going to start my next business and I'm-

• 1:28:47Speaker 02

  No, not at all.

• 1:28:48Guy Raz?

  I love that. You were like, I want to do more hunting, fishing and hang out with my family.

• 1:28:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I still wanted to be involved in Yeti, but more at my own pace. And Roy and I are still employees of Yeti today. But I, you know, I haven't been into the office in years.

• 1:29:03Guy Raz?

  And you had a young family. I think you had gotten married around, what, around 2012?

• 1:29:09Speaker 02

  2011.

• 1:29:11Guy Raz?

  2011, okay.

• 1:29:12Speaker 02

  And then 2012, had our first kid. And, and so I was, you know, looking for a break and looking to, you know, I wasn't, didn't want to come into the office and grind it out.

• 1:29:22Guy Raz?

  And Roy, you had already had had, you had kids by the time you guys launched Yeti in 2006. So your kids had only really known you working and grinding at Yeti. Was it similar for you or that you wanted more time with your kids and to just hang and, or be a dad full-time? Or did you, were you already thinking, all right, I'm going to launch my next business and start all over again?

• 1:29:43Speaker 01

  No. So the irony of, of things was the outdoors is what brought us to Yeti in the first place. But in many ways, it took us away from the outdoors as well because we didn't have time for it. You know, we, we didn't have time to go spend time on the water or, you know, annual elk hunt or tarp and fishing trip. And I might be home with the family, but I wasn't- Being a good dad, I wasn't present. You know, my mind was on Yeti. And, you know, what we were doing was not sustainable. And I think we recognized that. And, you know, today, I get to come in and have fun when I want to.

• 1:30:24Guy Raz?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:24Speaker 01

  And it's a creative outlet.

• 1:30:28Guy Raz?

  When you guys think about this journey you took, right? You know, I mean, even just falling into this cooler business, in a sense, Roy, because of outfitting boats, right? And then that, it could have been rubber mats on the boats that became the thing, right? It could have been ropes. It could have been the, the, the engines on those fishing boats.

• 1:30:49Guy Raz?

  It was the coolers. How much of, of, of where you got to and how this journey kind of went, went, do you attribute to the, the work that you put in, the grind, which is a lot? And how much do you think had to do with luck and fortune and just the stars aligning?

• 1:31:05Speaker 01

  Man, the, the stars definitely aligned. And, and, and you can see these stepping stones, growing up in the outdoors with our parents and growing up in our dad's business and kind of getting, you know, the playbook of a small business and then finding the right people and, and whether it was Walt or in, in even a door closing on us, like the loss of Ivan, but another door would open. You know, so timing was everything. I would also say we were willing to kind of put ourselves out there and show up in the, in the Philippines when we were, you know, in our twenties. And we put ourselves in a position to kind of have this luck, right?

• 1:31:47Speaker 02

  And even the luck of being born in the United States of America, and it's a real privilege to be able to kind of choose your own path and do whatever you want compared to what I've seen in other places I've been, you know?

• 1:32:00Guy Raz?

  Gil, it's interesting because, I mean, your dad obviously was a model, right? With, with, with Flex Coat. And it sounds like when you guys started Yeti, like, that was sort of your vision. Like, it was gonna be a nice lifestyle business. And, but there was no sort of like grand plan to turn this into an international brand.

• 1:32:20Speaker 02

  I know. I, I would say where we got lucky was picking an industry or picking a product category that could spill outside of the fish and tackle industry.

• 1:32:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think we thought we were doing something like our parents, right? And that's, that was the goal, to, to live the lifestyle of, of, you know, what our parents had. And like I said, our parents put four kids to college. They, they got to do things as they wanted to do them. And then, you know, Yeti began to take on a life of its own and never, ever in my wildest dreams did we ever think it would do what it did. And it's been an amazing ride.

• 1:32:59Guy Raz?

  That's Roy and Ryan Seiders, co-founders of Yeti. By the way, the brothers still see a lot of each other. In fact, they live right across the street from one another. Meanwhile, their dad, Roger Seiders, recently turned 80 and finally sold his own business, Flex Coat.

• 1:33:17Guy Raz?

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