Stephen Root is the Quintessential “Stephen Root Type”

You would recognize Emmy Award-nominated actor Stephen Root from over 300 film and television credits including iconic roles in “Office Space”, “NewsRadio”, “King of the Hill”, “Dodgeball”, “Idiocracy”, and “Barry” - for which he was nominated for a Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Comedy Series. Stephen Root’s illustrious career on screen includes five Coen brothers films and prestige television series such as “True Blood”, “Boardwalk Empire”, “The Man in the High Castle”, “Perry Mason”, “Succession”, “Barry”, and AppleTV’s new comedy-horror series “Widow's Bay” - which has earned Root his second Emmy Award nomination. Stephen Root got his start in a traveling Shakespeare company, then continued to perform on and off-Broadway for fifteen years before becoming one of Hollywood’s most beloved character actors. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:39Alec Baldwin?

  This is Alec Baldwin, and you're listening to Here's the Thing from iHeart Radio. When my guest today first walked into the studio, I instantly learned just how gifted an actor he really is. I was expecting someone as wacky and eclectic as the characters he plays on screen, but ultimately, I was struck by how calm and sincere Steven Root is in person. Root is an Emmy-nominated actor who has amassed over 300 film and TV credits. A revered character actor, Root is known for his iconic roles in films and TV series such as Office Space, News Radio, King of the Hill, Dodgeball, Idiocracy, and five Coen Brothers films.

• 3:24Alec Baldwin?

  Root is perhaps most recognized for his two recent Emmy-nominated roles on the hit HBO series Barry and the new Apple TV series Widows Bay. Steven Root has become known for playing characters who are, among other things, aloof and overlooked. His role as Monroe Fuchs on Barry was the first time Root was able to really explore what became known as the Steven Root-type character. I was curious if they wrote the Fuchs character on Barry specifically for him.

• 3:55Speaker 04

  They did not. I came in late in the process. He said, would you come in just to show me what you probably, not an audition, audition, but just if you want to show me what you do with it. So I did that. We did the pilot, and it was totally rewritten, my part was, because they started me at 11, and they wanted to start me much lower so that it became more of a buddy thing between me and him. When we did the pilot, he had me screaming and shouting through the whole thing, and he said, nah, it's not going to work. And fortunately, they kept me on. For the real, yeah, for the real pilot. Yeah, so it worked out great. But I think it was a much better show if we were buds,

• 4:38Speaker 04

  and then you see it develop into what it did.

• 4:42Alec Baldwin?

  I thought the character was like Yosemite Sam. He was constantly blowing up.

• 4:47Speaker 04

  He was, he was in the original pilot.

• 4:49Alec Baldwin?

  Covered in smoke and ashes.

• 4:50Speaker 04

  Throwing laptops around and stuff. But no, what was so great was, like Widows Bay, you get to walk the line between comedy and real, real violence, you know? And that's the first thing Bill said to us. He said, they're not going to mix them. We're not going to mix the violence and the comedy. There's going to be one and one, because you delude either one if you do that. And that was the smartest thing I think he did.

• 5:17Alec Baldwin?

  I'm doing a show now. We're doing this show for Koppelman and Levine, who did Billions. And they're going to do this show set in a Las Vegas casino. And I'm the boss, I run the casino, and Oscar Isaac is one of my, my vice president. And his wife is played by Betty Gilpin, and Betty.

• 5:34Speaker 04

  Brilliant.

• 5:34Alec Baldwin?

  Oh, my God.

• 5:35Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 5:36Alec Baldwin?

  I saw her do Oh, Mary, and I just, I just talked to her today.

• 5:39Speaker 04

  I wish I had seen that one.

• 5:40Alec Baldwin?

  I couldn't believe my eyes how ins, how Brechtian and insane this thing was. And so, the energy you had to put out to project this madness, you know? And then you see her in person, and she's like Barbara Stanwyck. And she's this beautiful, bleeding lady.

• 5:55Speaker 04

  Steady, yes.

• 5:56Alec Baldwin?

  Gorgeous.

• 5:57Speaker 04

  Having her on Widows Bay was like the biggest get in the world. Him and Hamish Linklater. Great actors doing an amazing script.

• 6:06Alec Baldwin?

  But when you do these things, I mean, I've been asked, I would guess, I don't think that much about this, but I would guess for me, in the last few years, to do Trump was the externalization of something nutty and loopy and crazy.

• 6:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:20Alec Baldwin?

  You don't seem nutty and loopy and crazy.

• 6:23Speaker 04

  I'm not. I'm probably the most boring person on earth, and my wife, Ramel Rosemont, will tell you that.

• 6:29Alec Baldwin?

  But you find these characters.

• 6:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think any good character has some of them in their back pocket that they can take out and go, I can use part of this, and I can use part of that. And so, I had done a lot of southern theater, comedy, Driving Miss Daisy, that kind of stuff. And I think that's gotten me in good stead, you know?

• 6:51Alec Baldwin?

  Your character, to me, the Barry character, was a combination between Rod Steiger and Jonathan Winters.

• 6:58Speaker 04

  That's hysterical.

• 6:59Alec Baldwin?

  I just don't, it's a guy so masculine.

• 7:02Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 7:02Alec Baldwin?

  And you, in person, everything you do, there's that masculinity, sensitivity, intelligence. You know, this is the stuff that you.

• 7:10Speaker 04

  If the script is good.

• 7:11Alec Baldwin?

  Yeah.

• 7:12Speaker 04

  I'll look like I'm intelligent.

• 7:13Alec Baldwin?

  What do you do with scripts not good?

• 7:14Speaker 04

  Uh, not do the project. I mean, these days, it's, you know, I'm in my early 70s now, and I want to do projects that are amazingly well-written because I can start there and then give it something, you know?

• 7:28Alec Baldwin?

  And you find, and you find that literally even in the past, in your earlier days, you've been working nonstop since 1952 or something. You've been just working and working.

• 7:39Speaker 04

  Just a lot of stuff.

• 7:40Alec Baldwin?

  But not all of it was something that was.

• 7:42Speaker 04

  Oh, God, no. Like every other actor that came out of New York, and Starving Boy, who did Waitering and bartending and all that stuff, came out of Off-Broadway and Broadway, finally. And then some film in the 80s in New York, because I was still there. And then I did a two-year tour of Driving Miss Daisy with Brock Peters.

• 8:02Alec Baldwin?

  No.

• 8:03Speaker 04

  Yes, Brock Peters and Julie Harris. The greatest acting class for two years on the road that you could ever have, watching those two every night and getting to play with.

• 8:15Alec Baldwin?

  I did Knots Landing, and Julie was my mother. I did the soap opera Knots Landing.

• 8:19Speaker 04

  Right. I read that, that's correct.

• 8:22Alec Baldwin?

  And she was my mother.

• 8:23Speaker 04

  She was unbelievable, and so was Brock. And Brock was having a hard time at the time because his wife had cancer, and it was, and he, what a trooper.

• 8:32Alec Baldwin?

  Brock Peters.

• 8:33Speaker 04

  Brock Peters, the voice, just the voice, right? So anyway, we did that tour and moved to LA in the 90s, and then did TV again.

• 8:42Alec Baldwin?

  You been in LA since?

• 8:44Speaker 04

  Been in LA since, but we just recently, because I missed it. I miss New York City, and I had done something at Playwright's about a few years ago. And I said, I want to be a presence in New York again, because I was here from 76 to 90. And that, so it's, that's, this still feels like my home, even though I live in LA. So we got an apartment, we're happily ensconced in it, you know?

• 9:07Alec Baldwin?

  You're hanging out there more.

• 9:08Speaker 04

  Maybe three or four months out of the year, yeah.

• 9:09Alec Baldwin?

  Great. If I read your biographical material correctly, when you were a kid and your father was a businessman that moved around a lot.

• 9:17Speaker 04

  He was an engineer. He did construction projects. He did steam power plants.

• 9:22Alec Baldwin?

  Wow.

• 9:23Speaker 04

  They would take a year and a half to complete.

• 9:25Alec Baldwin?

  So he had to know what he was talking about.

• 9:27Speaker 04

  He was one of those guys that never went to college but became an engineer, you know, through just, just doing it.

• 9:34Alec Baldwin?

  Wow.

• 9:35Speaker 04

  And he was one of the last ones that did that. And he ended up at an atomic plant at the end of his career.

• 9:40Alec Baldwin?

  Where?

• 9:41Speaker 04

  In Hanford.

• 9:42Alec Baldwin?

  Hanford, Washington.

• 9:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, the Tri-Cities area there.

• 9:46Alec Baldwin?

  I've been involved with anti-nuclear stuff.

• 9:49Speaker 04

  So was I.

• 9:49Alec Baldwin?

  For years, for years.

• 9:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:52Alec Baldwin?

  Anti-nuclear utility, I don't get into the weapons thing because it's too sticky. But the, but the utility thing. But you lived in Woodland Hills.

• 9:59Speaker 04

  Lived in Woodland Hills.

• 10:00Alec Baldwin?

  I lived in Woodland Hills.

• 10:01Speaker 04

  Were you?

• 10:02Alec Baldwin?

  For when I was married to my ex-wife, I was there for 10 years.

• 10:04Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, yeah.

• 10:05Alec Baldwin?

  Up above Taft High School.

• 10:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, we did there, and then we finally, I finally got into. Sherman Oaks, which I really like, because there's a lot of actors and writers who live there, very, very nice and quiet, great place. But yeah, no, when I was growing up, I was a year and a half Sioux City, Iowa, a year and a half Muncie, Indiana, a year and a half Kansas City, Mo, Glen Rock, Wyoming, Fort Lauderdale, and then back to KC. That was, that was my life, and I didn't think it was weird until I got to about high school and I went, I don't freaking know anybody. It's, it's like, people don't do this, but I think it was good in terms of me being a gypsy as an actor, because that's what we are.

• 10:47Alec Baldwin?

  Now, I'm always fascinated, when I made that joke about Rod Steiger and Jonathan Winters, I'm always fascinated by people who access that really brilliant and really very real mania, you know what I mean? And to me, it's literally like music, it's like you're blowing notes, is that how it feels to you?

• 11:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, I think, I, I think for me to be any good, or for any character actor to be any good, you gotta put enough of yourself and your empathy for people in it, so that they can always empathize with your character, whether he's, you know, bizarrely strange or just not at all. So I, I always feel like I have enough of me in there, that I, you know, I can always draw on that, but I, I'm a people watcher, like all character actors, you watch the people. You go, you, you see that guy going down the drain, go, yeah, I can use that, and you put it in your back pocket, and you go.

• 11:37Alec Baldwin?

  You're in a restaurant, you watch some guy, guy's proposing to his girlfriend.

• 11:41Speaker 04

  And walks, and walks are big, because how, what, what you're wearing on your feet and how you walk, as, for me, is a big part of whatever character I'm doing, because it, it, it kind of, your, your body adjusts to that guy then, whether he walks slow, he walks fast, he's, he's, he's a drunk, he's not, whatever, you know?

• 12:01Alec Baldwin?

  When I was starting in the, this business, when I started, my dad was still alive. My dad was so funny, because I went to college for something else, I'm at George Washington University, I'm gonna go to law school, I change and go to NYU at the buzzer, and my dad, one time he says to me, he goes, you know what, this acting thing you wanna do, he said, uh, so you gotta come up with a walk. He said that, he goes, he goes like John Wayne. And I go, you want me to do like a walk?

• 12:24Speaker 04

  You want me to tip over?

• 12:25Alec Baldwin?

  A variant of John Wayne? Yeah, I think John Wayne was more likely to get away with that.

• 12:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, no, but for me, sometimes, you know, the clothes, clothes make the character, you know, sometimes you go outside in, you know, go, what am I gonna wear with this, what do you think, what should he look like? I just did a little indie down in Birmingham with my wife, and we were gun shop owners. And at one point, they put a bandana on me, it looked like I was doing Rambo 2. So that, that changes your whole complexion, and then you put on something like that, you know, so sometimes it goes outside in, sometimes you go the other way.

• 13:04Alec Baldwin?

  Now, you've been nominated for Widows Bay, and what's on the air now is, is, they just finished streaming season one.

• 13:12Speaker 04

  Yes, season one is done, 10 episodes.

• 13:14Alec Baldwin?

  And you're gonna go back and do?

• 13:16Speaker 04

  Hopefully, we're officially picked up, but there's no news about when we're gonna do it, we're hoping, I'm hoping, and we're all hoping, to do it a little earlier than we did last year, which we started in late May, so we went through kind of a hot season in Massachusetts, which is where we shot it. Uh, so we're hoping to start maybe earlier, maybe in April, but that's in, in Katie Dipold's mind, and I'm not, I'm not allowed.

• 13:39Alec Baldwin?

  In Massachusetts?

• 13:40Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 13:41Alec Baldwin?

  That's where the whole thing is filmed?

• 13:42Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 13:43Alec Baldwin?

  How do you like being up there?

• 13:44Speaker 04

  Loved it.

• 13:45Alec Baldwin?

  Great locations.

• 13:46Speaker 04

  I didn't get to do that part of the country when I was, you know, moving around with my dad, so it, it's really beautiful, all the little towns there, it's fantastic. And we would shoot, you know, some, some of the main coast, but about, really, about 20 minutes from Concord, uh, there's a couple of studios in Devon, and we shot there and locations all around.

• 14:07Alec Baldwin?

  When I would go to locations, if I wasn't playing the lead in a film, when you're the lead in a big film, you don't have much time off, it's about you, basically, and your character, and I didn't get to see London, or Paris, or Rome, or whatever, and then I started playing smaller roles in films, I had a lot of time off.

• 14:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:24Alec Baldwin?

  So I can go, and my friends used to call me the whore of Mayfair, so I'd be walking down Mount Street in London, smoking my cigars from Sodders, and going to my church was on that street, and I would really get to see the town, and do some traveling, and it was exciting, as opposed to, um, years before, when I was too busy.

• 14:42Speaker 04

  So that's the great part of being a character actor, you walk in, you do your thing, hopefully knock it out of the car, and then you go away.

• 14:49Alec Baldwin?

  We'll see you Thursday.

• 14:50Speaker 04

  See you Thursday, because I've gotta go do something over here.

• 14:52Alec Baldwin?

  Name for me among, let's say, movies where there was the great writing for you, movies that you just thought, wow, I gotta do this movie.

• 14:59Speaker 04

  Oh, brother, we're a.

• 15:01Alec Baldwin?

  Right, right, right, oh, yeah.

• 15:02Speaker 04

  Any Coen, any Coen brother, I mean, hello, you're gonna do it for them, yeah, yeah, yeah, just, just love those guys.

• 15:09Alec Baldwin?

  And, uh, No Country For Old Men?

• 15:11Speaker 04

  No Country?

• 15:12Alec Baldwin?

  I worship, I worship Javier.

• 15:14Speaker 04

  So did I, and the poor guy, throughout the whole film, would come over to everybody, everybody, including extras, and go, does my hair look weird? Does my hair weird?

• 15:24Alec Baldwin?

  It is, actually.

• 15:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, said, Javier, you're totally frightening, don't touch it, please, please don't, please leave it alone.

• 15:33Alec Baldwin?

  But when you're with the Coen brothers, like, do people, when they work with you, because they realize you're so funny, obviously, and that's a very valuable currency, have you ever worked on films where they asked you for your opinion about lines and ideas and?

• 15:46Speaker 04

  They're so storyboarded, they storyboard everything to the nth degree, then, when you're, when you're there and you're doing the thing, of course, they'll do, you know, go, have fun, what do you wanna do with this, you know, at the end, but they were very, very rigid in terms of that, so there was not a lot of improv going on, but in your final take of that scene, you could, you could play around a little, which was great, and we did.

• 16:10Alec Baldwin?

  Who was the head writer for Barry, Alec Berg?

• 16:13Speaker 04

  Alec Berg and, and Bill wrote a, wrote a lot, it was, it was a good.

• 16:17Alec Baldwin?

  Were they loose with that too, did they want you, let you burn a tank?

• 16:20Speaker 04

  Bill was very loose, you know, because obviously he came from improv, and I didn't, I mean, I, I came from National Shakespeare Company back in, back in the day, so I was like, I, it's, I don't know if I can, but Bill made it very easy to do for me, to become better at that kind of thing, better, better at improv, so, because he directed the whole fourth season, and he just wouldn't spend a lot of time acting.

• 16:46Alec Baldwin?

  I can't believe they stopped on his car when they stopped.

• 16:48Speaker 04

  It was just insane, take off the hat, put on the hat, and he'd go, go to the insane and go, was that good enough? Okay, good, and then he'd go direct, but he would let you play around a lot, there, I remember there was, there was an episode where my, my hands got stuck on the wheel of the car, we, we did a scene after that that didn't work, and Bill said, now we're gonna throw that out, we're gonna go over here to this, go over here to the park, we're gonna improv, you know, what happened after that scene, and we did that, and that's what ended up in the, in the piece, so it was, it was much different in that, in that way for me. Since I came up through Shakespeare and stuff like that, I found if I knew everything

• 17:30Speaker 04

  backwards, knew it so well, then I felt like I could play within the structure of what it was, and not necessarily change the line, just, just play within the, the structure, and, and that's what's helped me so much, is knowing things backwards, knowing, knowing exactly what's coming up, and then, then you can go play and change it, and whatever, but you have the base, you have the base to do it.

• 17:59Alec Baldwin?

  Actor Stephen Root. If you enjoy conversations with intrepid character actors, check out my episode with Dan Aykroyd.

• 18:07Speaker 05

  I love writing more than anything, you're left alone, you know, you do three hours in the morning, you write, you need to have lunch, and then three hours in the afternoon, go pick up a kid from school, and write at night, and after nine hours, you come out with seven pages, and then you're, you're moving on, it's just your own devices, the air, you have the air around you and your mind, and a blank screen or a blank piece of paper, that's really what I, I'd like to be doing more of, and always did enjoy.

• 18:34Alec Baldwin?

  To hear more of my conversation with Dan Aykroyd, go to here'sthething.org. After the break, Stephen Root tells us how good scripts keep him from becoming the laziest actor he knows.

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• 20:49Alec Baldwin?

  I'm Alec Baldwin and this is Here is the Thing. Now known for countless roles in film and television, Stephen Root got his start in a traveling Shakespeare troupe. Before completing his senior year at the University of Florida, Root left school to join the National Shakespeare Company. He spent three years traveling and performing classic works such as The Winter's Tale and Romeo and Juliet. I wanted to know some of the roles Root performed during his Shakespearean apprenticeship.

• 21:22Speaker 04

  I think the first thing that I loved so much, we did, National Shakespeare was a bus and truck, 12 actors. We did three plays in every college in America for nine months. So you were at least double cast in a play.

• 21:39Alec Baldwin?

  Where were they headquartered out of?

• 21:40Speaker 04

  Out of New York, right on 51st, between 9th and 10th. But I think the very first one that we were gonna rehearse in 76, I think it was, was Winter's Tale, one of my favorite things, and I played the clown in it. So I got there, I'm completely off book, ready to go, just going crazy in rehearsal, and the director comes over to me and says, wonderful, wonderful, 90% less. And so, as well as I was prepared, I could then go, you know.

• 22:16Alec Baldwin?

  I never had a chance to do as much Shakespeare as I wanted to. I did Scottish play in 98 at the Public with Angela Bassett, and that was a tremendous experience for me. It changed my life, yeah, really, it was. Because it made me want to do more, although, for me, memorization wise, I'd fall asleep with the thing on my chest.

• 22:34Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 22:35Alec Baldwin?

  And I'd wake up in the morning with it, and, I mean, I would just watching, I had my nose in that book all goddamn day long. What's another role you played?

• 22:42Speaker 04

  Oh, I played Grumio in Taming of the Shrew, which I loved very, very much. But these are all comic, they're mostly all comic characters.

• 22:52Alec Baldwin?

  So no King Lear for you in the offing?

• 22:54Speaker 04

  No King Lear for me. I did get to play Demetrius as a young lover, but most of my stuff was with, you know, I would be Audrey with balloon tits, you know.

• 23:05Alec Baldwin?

  I'm sorry, I missed that.

• 23:07Speaker 04

  I know, it was tremendous performance. But yeah, mostly comic stuff back when I was, you know, in my mid twenties, that's what they wanted me to do, and I did that. Didn't get, we did Hamlet and we did, you know, all the dramas, but I'd get to play ancillary characters in those.

• 23:25Alec Baldwin?

  You work a lot?

• 23:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:28Alec Baldwin?

  You work a lot?

• 23:29Speaker 04

  I do.

• 23:30Alec Baldwin?

  And was there a period of time where you did that because you had to in terms of

• 23:35Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 23:36Alec Baldwin?

  To make a living?

• 23:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:38Alec Baldwin?

  Because we're cobbling together things in the beginning to make a living, and then the next, you know, you go to another level and another level. And do you find it's just a habit now? You like to work a lot?

• 23:46Speaker 04

  No, I'm the laziest actor that I know. I just happened to get some good scripts. I mean, you're not gonna turn down Barry because the scripts were brilliant.

• 23:56Alec Baldwin?

  Or the Coen Brothers.

• 23:57Speaker 04

  Or the Coen Brothers or Widows Bay, because it's just too good. I mean, I hadn't, in my seventies, I hadn't ever planned on signing on as a regular to another show, but you got those scripts and Katie Dipold and Hero Marai, hello, I have to do it. I feel compelled.

• 24:16Alec Baldwin?

  But you say the laziest actor, meaning, do you see yourself, I mean, a lot of people I know, they get to the point you're at now where they have all the work they need.

• 24:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:26Alec Baldwin?

  You're constantly offered things all the time.

• 24:27Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 24:28Alec Baldwin?

  And they say to themselves, I'm gonna do this until it ends, I'm gonna ride this wave.

• 24:32Speaker 04

  I get that, I get that.

• 24:33Alec Baldwin?

  Or do you want to retire?

• 24:34Speaker 04

  But monetarily, I don't need the money at the moment.

• 24:37Alec Baldwin?

  Right.

• 24:38Speaker 04

  So I just want to go for quality, quality control.

• 24:41Alec Baldwin?

  But no retirement?

• 24:42Speaker 04

  I don't think there's any reason to.

• 24:45Alec Baldwin?

  Really?

• 24:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, I don't think so. I could go do five projects this year and maybe four the next year and dwindle down to one in my eighties and nineties.

• 24:55Alec Baldwin?

  Yes.

• 24:56Speaker 04

  But that's okay, you know, that's all right. If I can have fun doing it, and this indie that I just did with Rommel, I had fun, you know, didn't do it for money, did it to be able to work with my wife and have fun.

• 25:08Alec Baldwin?

  Well, the reason I found at one point, indies, I mean, I've had a tough time, meaning, great people, lovely people, pleasant people, some good scripts, some good scenes and moments, I mean, you know, yeah, I think it was Nicholson who was quoted as sitting there saying, what was the metric, like, how did you choose the script? And he said, "Three good scenes, two good lines."

• 25:29Speaker 04

  That's about right.

• 25:31Alec Baldwin?

  And I thought to myself, well, that's an interesting way to look at it. I ask a lot of actors this question. What do directors have to offer you now, with all your experience? A good director does what?

• 25:41Speaker 04

  A good director lets you do your gut, what your gut read that you think for this guy is, and then nudges you forward or backwards with, in terms of intensity and style. But I think it's a good director, you've cast this person to do this role, so you must have an idea of what he does well, or she does well. Less is more for me, for a director. Tell me, am I in the right direction? Good. I'm not? Okay, which way? That way? Okay. But then let me do my gut. Once you've given me the direction, let me do my gut, and if we're close, great.

• 26:26Speaker 04

  But I think less is more.

• 26:28Alec Baldwin?

  Have you ever been interested in directing?

• 26:30Speaker 04

  Never, ever, ever.

• 26:31Alec Baldwin?

  No, why? I'm the same way.

• 26:33Speaker 04

  I just told you I'm the laziest actor in the world.

• 26:37Alec Baldwin?

  Lazy bastard.

• 26:38Speaker 04

  Lazy bastard. I like to pet the dog and go to the pool. No, that's not, I'm not really a type A personality. I like the ensemble-ness of it all, but do I want to direct the ensemble-ness of it? Not so much. I think it would be more fun for me if, in my later years, to produce and put people together.

• 27:00Alec Baldwin?

  Yes.

• 27:01Speaker 04

  Put people together is more fun.

• 27:02Alec Baldwin?

  Then go back to being a lazy bastard.

• 27:03Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 27:04Alec Baldwin?

  You all have that.

• 27:05Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 27:06Alec Baldwin?

  Well, I directed one movie, I hated every minute of it.

• 27:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:10Alec Baldwin?

  And what part I hated most?

• 27:11Speaker 04

  What?

• 27:12Alec Baldwin?

  Dealing with the actors. Trying to cajole them into doing what I wanted done.

• 27:15Speaker 04

  You babies.

• 27:16Alec Baldwin?

  Yes. Why don't you shut up and just sit over there?

• 27:18Speaker 04

  Shut up and say the fucking line.

• 27:19Alec Baldwin?

  Exactly, right. Say it this way, damn it.

• 27:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:22Alec Baldwin?

  But I've done movies with people where they were less experienced, it was enjoyable because they realized that they wanted to collaborate with you and maybe get some ideas from you. Because I'm always figuring, how do we make it more cinematic? Like, let's have a shot of you and I, I'm big on the walking scene.

• 27:39Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 27:40Alec Baldwin?

  The horseback riding scene.

• 27:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:42Alec Baldwin?

  And we're way in the distance, and we can loop the lines later on and say whatever we want to say.

• 27:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:46Alec Baldwin?

  You know, it doesn't matter really what the lines are the day of shooting.

• 27:47Speaker 04

  What's nice is space. If you can take space visually in a movie, and that's the cinematographer's job, take space and time and not rush it. That's why I love the Coen Brothers movies, because it goes at a pace that it should go. It doesn't go too fast, doesn't go too slow, it's just telling the story of people.

• 28:07Alec Baldwin?

  The business has changed greatly since you and I started.

• 28:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:11Alec Baldwin?

  And it's kind of, it's crazy now. What's one of the biggest changes you've noticed in this business?

• 28:16Speaker 04

  I've noticed it because my wife is still going through it. They don't want to see people in person anymore. And that makes me freaking crazy.

• 28:26Alec Baldwin?

  I can't believe the union hasn't stopped that.

• 28:28Speaker 04

  That's insane. How are, first of all, you can send in a tape that's probably brilliant for the character that they want to see, but can you be directed? No, you can't tell that from a tape. You have to see the human being in the room to be able to do it. And they've gotten rid of that, and that makes me angry, because then you can't win a role in a room. That's what I did when I was younger. I won a role in the room, because you could see what I was doing and I could be directed in either direction. But doesn't happen now, and that's one of the main things that I really hate.

• 29:01Alec Baldwin?

  I would tell people that when I first started, and I went out to LA, because I was in New York, and I went out to LA to kind of introduce myself to people out there, so to speak. And, you know, one good example was Jane Jenkins and Janet Hirschen. Jane and Janet, we called them back then, and they were the big casting directors who'd bring me in. And you knew that when you left, or you learned later on essentially that when you left, they were like, he's not right for Bob in this movie, but he's right for Steve in the other movie. We got eight pots on the stove at the same time.

• 29:28Speaker 04

  Sure, absolutely.

• 29:29Alec Baldwin?

  And they want, you want to be in that room so they can smell you, you know what I mean? They want to get a smell. And that's gone now, which I find horrendous.

• 29:35Speaker 04

  That's so bad. And plus, people aren't going to offer away shows like they used to define new actors. And how are you going to train the?

• 29:43Alec Baldwin?

  The leagues.

• 29:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. And how are you gonna train these actors if you don't give the meaty parts as they're coming up? And they're just giving it to stars, you know? Some of them are good for that role, but most of the time they're not. You're not getting the best actor for the role. I don't love that either. The argument for them is that we can see more people that way, and that's entirely true. You can see more people. What you can't do is see if they're directable. And that's the whole thing.

• 30:11Alec Baldwin?

  I haven't thought of that.

• 30:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:13Alec Baldwin?

  I always say the same phrase, I said, they're in search, have always been in search of, and remain in search of, the risk-free entertainment business.

• 30:20Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 30:21Alec Baldwin?

  And there's no such thing as the risk-free entertainment business. If you don't take risks, then you're gonna be, and now we're fully, fully in the zone of risk-free entertainment. I look at people who are actors now, and I think acting couldn't be less important than it is now.

• 30:36Speaker 04

  Well, we're widgets. We're widgets with the bean counters count.

• 30:41Alec Baldwin?

  You put the costume on, put the cape on, and put the gloves on, and anybody can wear the gloves and the cape, let's just get, you know, fitness is stardom now.

• 30:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:51Alec Baldwin?

  Fitness is stardom. And I mean, in old school acting, your talent is never gonna be devalued. It's never gonna go out of style. You're always gonna work. When they want something, they want real talents.

• 31:02Speaker 04

  Well, I appreciate that. I've just been in this so long, I mean, I don't know about you, but most of the people that were in the business when I started are not there anymore.

• 31:12Alec Baldwin?

  Right.

• 31:13Speaker 04

  And that's, that's what I tell young actors, they, longevity is just staying in it. That's half of it.

• 31:20Alec Baldwin?

  Actor Steven Root. If you're enjoying this conversation, tell a friend and be sure to follow Here's the Thing on the iHeart Radio app, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. When we come back, Steven Root talks about what kind of project he would like to do next and what he loves about Widows Bay and Barry.

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• 33:45Alec Baldwin?

  I'm Alec Baldwin, and you're listening to Here's the Thing. Steven Root's big break was on the 1990s sitcom News Radio where he acted alongside comic heavyweight Phil Hartman. Root has worked with countless Hollywood icons from Arnold Schwarzenegger to the Coen Brothers. Having had such a diverse career, I was curious if there was one actor in particular who has stood out to Root throughout his impressive career.

• 34:11Speaker 04

  I have to say Matthew Rees, just because we had worked together before on Perry Mason for HBO. And Perry Mason was not funny, but Matthew Rees is hysterical. He is one of the funniest people ever, and he hasn't had a chance to do that. And for him to be able to do it on Widows Bay, and he does silent acting, silent comedic acting, which is really big, and he does really tiny, tiny, wonderful, subtle stuff. So I have to say Matthew. Back when I was doing news radio, Phil Hartman.

• 34:46Alec Baldwin?

  Oh, my God.

• 34:47Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. The best. Miss Uncle Phil so much.

• 34:50Alec Baldwin?

  I know, he was the best.

• 34:51Speaker 04

  But that was a whole group of great people, Dave Foley and Maura Tierney. Maura Tierney is one of my heroes. She's one of the great, great, great actors.

• 35:01Alec Baldwin?

  Phil Hartman's the only person that made me crack up on SNL live on TV.

• 35:04Speaker 04

  No kidding?

• 35:05Alec Baldwin?

  Yeah, we were doing a scene and I play Marlon Brando in the, in our take us to the movie where Lam Poon is called the environmentally sensitive one. And I'm running off with his daughter, Victoria Jackson, when one of his aides comes in and says, Tower number three, Blue Boss, what are we going to do? And Phil Hartman's line was, take me with you. Like, he's changed his mind. He wasn't going to reject me. Now he wants to leave with us and escape the thing. And literally during the, during the air show, he goes, Tower number three, Blue Boss, what do you want to do? Phil Hartman looks at me and goes, take me with you. And he just says this line inside the line that he never did and saves it for the air.

• 35:44Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 35:44Alec Baldwin?

  And I start spinning up and laughing on the show.

• 35:47Speaker 04

  He, he, nobody has, has, has made me laugh harder than that, or, or Caveman, Caveman Lawyer.

• 35:53Alec Baldwin?

  Caveman Lawyer.

• 35:54Speaker 04

  Come on.

• 35:54Alec Baldwin?

  Your ways are strange to me.

• 35:56Speaker 04

  But, yeah, fantastic. Loved them so many.

• 36:00Alec Baldwin?

  For me, it was Tony Hopkins.

• 36:01Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 36:02Alec Baldwin?

  And Meryl. When I got a chance to do It's Complicated with Meryl.

• 36:06Speaker 04

  Amazing.

• 36:06Alec Baldwin?

  I was, I was thrilled to do that. That was a real pleasure to, it was a great honor to work with her.

• 36:11Speaker 04

  Right. I would say John Lithgow as well. I mean, I, we got to work with him, both Matthew and I did, on Perry Mason. And I'd just seen, I don't know whether you saw Giant in.

• 36:21Alec Baldwin?

  No.

• 36:22Speaker 04

  Or here. Astonishing.

• 36:24Alec Baldwin?

  I'm going to see Salesman tonight.

• 36:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. Salesman is great, but John's performance in that.

• 36:30Alec Baldwin?

  You want the Tony?

• 36:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, phenomenal.

• 36:32Alec Baldwin?

  Yeah, I was, I'm sorry, miss, because I love John.

• 36:34Speaker 04

  The man's, you know, he's almost 80, if he isn't. And he's, he's doing it eight years.

• 36:40Alec Baldwin?

  What do you think about that in terms of success at that age, success at your age? You, you know, things are going really well for you right now.

• 36:47Speaker 04

  They are.

• 36:48Alec Baldwin?

  In the latter, in the latter part of your career.

• 36:50Speaker 04

  I think I've worked more in my 60s and 70s than I worked before that.

• 36:56Alec Baldwin?

  Forty years prior to that.

• 36:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. But I think it's just you hang around long enough and people remember you, and hopefully work begets work and you get to work with some of the same people, which has happened a lot.

• 37:09Alec Baldwin?

  What's a part you want to play? Is there a play you want to do?

• 37:13Speaker 04

  The last play I did was Marjorie Prime, which was a four-person play about, and this was before AI, this was back 2015. This was about a holographic AI taking care of old people by talking to them in a projected way so that maybe their husband was 30 years old and they're 90 now, and they're talking to this AI projected, and, and the AI learns more about them as they talk. And this was 10, 12 years ago. But an ensemble piece interests me more than anything else. Do I want to get up and do, not, not so much? As I said, I'm very lazy, but an ensemble piece, yes.

• 37:54Alec Baldwin?

  Chris Stack is an actor that I know from The Actors Studio.

• 37:56Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 37:57Alec Baldwin?

  And Chris invited me to come see Stereophonics when it was off Broadway.

• 38:00Speaker 04

  I loved that, I loved that at Playwrights, yeah. I saw the Playwrights, it was unbelievable.

• 38:03Alec Baldwin?

  And then they went to Broadway.

• 38:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:05Alec Baldwin?

  And what I loved was, they were all like musicians in a symphony, they were all doing the same thing.

• 38:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:10Alec Baldwin?

  And I thought that was great directing, to get everybody to do the same thing.

• 38:12Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 38:13Alec Baldwin?

  And I, and, and that's what I try to do now, is I don't need the thing to be about me. I'd rather be a part of an ensemble, we serve up.

• 38:20Speaker 04

  Exactly, part of an ensemble that can go for the gold, exactly. That's what I love. And then that's why I love Widows Bay, that's why I loved Barry, because everybody in it, from the tiniest roles, was perfectly cast with great actors. And, and you can't have any more fun than that on a project, if you're working with great actors and a great script.

• 38:39Alec Baldwin?

  I dare ask you this question, because I'm not quite sure.

• 38:42Speaker 04

  I would do it in the nude, yes. Go ahead.

• 38:44Alec Baldwin?

  You would do it tarred and feathered?

• 38:47Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 38:48Alec Baldwin?

  But what are your hobbies? What do you do when you're not acting?

• 38:51Speaker 04

  Uh, I like to play with my, I don't play an instrument, but I love putting music together. Like, I'll have, and it's very specific. I want to put together T-Bone Burnett and Elvis Costello and Nick Lowe from 1984 and make a playlist of that. I'll do that. I play golf badly with a lot of other character actors and writers, and I try to rest mostly.

• 39:19Alec Baldwin?

  Right.

• 39:20Speaker 04

  Yes, rest is good.

• 39:22Alec Baldwin?

  Well, we would just say years ago, we were entering the judge phase of our career.

• 39:27Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 39:27Alec Baldwin?

  So the job you would do is you'd have the ropes up, but underneath were your tennis clothes.

• 39:31Speaker 04

  Oh, I was a judge unjustified and, and I had a Speedo.

• 39:37Speaker 04

  That's all I had.

• 39:37Alec Baldwin?

  I had my tennis clothes on, and you sit there all day long and go, out of order. The jury will disregard that statement by the prosecutor.

• 39:43Speaker 04

  And they shoot you last.

• 39:44Alec Baldwin?

  Right, and they shoot you last.

• 39:46Speaker 04

  They do.

• 39:48Alec Baldwin?

  Now, Office Space is a cult classic.

• 39:50Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 39:51Alec Baldwin?

  Were you aware at the time that it was a cult, when it was, when you were doing it, do you go, this is going to be a cult classic?

• 39:55Speaker 04

  No.

• 39:56Alec Baldwin?

  You didn't?

• 39:56Speaker 04

  I, I knew it was a really good, funny B comedy, because there are good people in it. And it's Mike Judge, who I've done King of the Hill with forever, and I thought it was a fun little thing to do. And it has become a cult, I think, because everybody was good in it. Like, everybody, everybody was cast well. It's like doing a really big performance very small. You know, you're, you're making a big swing, but you're doing it very, in very, very, very tiny, almost nothing. And I think that, that's, that's why it was good. I would totally add my stapler.

• 40:40Alec Baldwin?

  I just want to say in the time we have, the moment we have left, which is that I am such a fan of yours.

• 40:44Speaker 04

  Oh, you're so nice.

• 40:45Alec Baldwin?

  And I'm such an admirer of yours. And I watched that Barry like I was smoking crack. I couldn't wait. I mean, what do you mean I gotta wait another week to watch an episode?

• 40:53Speaker 04

  Bill came up to me after the third season and said, look, I want it to go this way and I want you to do this guy, which is the total opposite of what we've been doing for three years. He's coming out of prison, he's tatted up, he is, you know.

• 41:10Alec Baldwin?

  A new man.

• 41:11Speaker 04

  He's the Raven. Yeah, he's the Raven. And I said, really? I would never get cast as that motherfucker.

• 41:17Alec Baldwin?

  Wow.

• 41:18Speaker 04

  But I'm more than happy to give it a shot. And it was some of the most fun I've ever had because it was very freeing to be something I would never be cast as, you know, built up, tatted up.

• 41:31Alec Baldwin?

  Violent.

• 41:32Speaker 04

  Violent guy.

• 41:33Alec Baldwin?

  When I did Thirty Rock, they would give us the, we'd do the read through on a Wednesday and they had the cameras and they'd pipe it out to Burbank. So we're in New York at Silver Cup and we have a dais of the cast.

• 41:43Speaker 04

  And Jimmy Burrows is directing, but go ahead.

• 41:46Alec Baldwin?

  Right, right. I wish. I wish. No, no, we had great directors. We had Tina in the cast, everybody on the dais, and then the writers and the craftspeople, all the crew out, department heads in the audience. So they had like 60 people in the room.

• 41:57Speaker 04

  Right.

• 41:58Alec Baldwin?

  And we'd sit there, they'd give me the script at the call and I'd sit in the makeup chair and get my stuff, everything done and I'd read the script. And I think to myself, you know, thank God for great writing. That was the greatest time of my life.

• 42:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, but you're not going to be great unless, unless you're doing something that you're scared of as well, right?

• 42:14Alec Baldwin?

  I remember you said that.

• 42:16Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 42:19Alec Baldwin?

  My thanks to actor Steven Root. This episode was recorded at CDM Studios in New York City. We're produced by Kathleen Russo, Zach McNeese, and Victoria DeMartin. Our engineer is Isaac Kaplan-Wulmer. I'm Alec Baldwin.

• 42:34Alec Baldwin?

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