200. 200TH EPISODE: Reddit Scary Stories With Shane Madej

Go to https://kachava.com and use code HSP for 15% off your first order. Open your SoFi Checking & Savings account today - head to https://sofi.com/HeartStarts to get started Today, I am joined by Shane Madej who let me read a bunch of the creepiest Reddit scary stories I could find. This marks my 200th episode of Heart Starts Pounding!! Thank you to everyone who watches and listens, truly, it makes this show possible. I love the community we have made, and I look forward to diving into even more Horrors, Hauntings, and Mysteries! Stay Curious everyone!!! Find Shane Here! Watcher: https://www.youtube.com/@watcher Quizard’s Pit: https://www.youtube.com/@TheQuizardsPit Socials: https://www.instagram.com/shanemadej Love true crime, horror, folklore, and the unexplained? Join us in the Rogue Detecting Society on Patreon. Start for free to stay up to date on all things HSP with our newsletter, bonus content, and more. If you want to dive deeper into a community of fellow darkly curious listeners, upgrade for ad-free listening, monthly bonus episodes with topics voted on by members, merch perks, and Patreon-only group chats. High Council members also get Footnotes, our weekly after-show where Kaelyn dives deeper into the episode, recent true crime news, theories, and other scary stories from around the internet. Join free or go paid: https://www.patreon.com/heartstartspounding

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• 0:00Kaelyn Moore?

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• 0:43Kaelyn Moore?

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• 1:44Kaelyn Moore?

  To learn more about Prenuvo and get $300 off your whole body MRI, go to prenuvo.com/hspp and use code HSP. That's P-R-E-N-U-V-O.com/hspp. Terms and conditions apply. Hello and welcome to another episode of Heart Starts Pounding, a podcast of horrors, hauntings, and mysteries. As always, I'm your host, Kaila Moore. I can't believe I'm saying this, but we have made it to episode 200 of Heart Starts Pounding. And to help me celebrate today, I could think of no one better than my friend Shane Maday. I actually watched a lot of BuzzFeed Unsolved when I was starting Heart Starts Pounding, recording episodes in my closet. So I wanted Shane to come over here to the Rogue Detecting Society headquarters so that

• 2:28Kaelyn Moore?

  I could tell him some true scary stories. And he also shares a couple with me, including this wild story about trusting your intuition and another one about a town that blew up a whale. So you're gonna want to listen. But seriously, thank you guys so much for 200 episodes. To go from recording in my closet to having a Netflix podcast has been quite the arc. And truly, it is all because of you guys. People do see how strong and cool our community is, and they want in. Darkly curious gang forever. I love you guys. Wherever you listen, you can let me know what your favorite episode of the last 200 have been and also what you want to see next in the next 200. Okay, let's get into the episode. Shane, welcome to Heart Starts Pounding.

• 3:08Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me.

• 3:09Kaelyn Moore?

  I'm so excited that you're here.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  I'm excited to hear some twisted tales.

• 3:14Kaelyn Moore?

  You seem like a hard person to scare.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  You know what? Uh, yeah, I think that's true.

• 3:20Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah?

• 3:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:21Kaelyn Moore?

  Have you been on, because I think I heard you say in an interview I was listening to that this is like your 10th year doing.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  It is as of like a week or two ago.

• 3:30Kaelyn Moore?

  Wow.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  10 years, I think it was October 2016, we went, our first ghost hunting trip.

• 3:36Kaelyn Moore?

  Wow.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  Was to, it was a very poorly planned trip because it was the Winchester.

• 3:42Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, that's fun.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Then we flew down to Mexico City. And this was all in the span of like five or six days.

• 3:48Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, you're just like hitting all the spots.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  So Winchester, Mexico City to go to the island of the dolls. And then we flew up to Atchison, Kansas.

• 3:56Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  So it's kind of a weird, the Sally house.

• 3:59Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, the Sally house. Okay, so you did like heavy hitters all in the first go.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:04Kaelyn Moore?

  And you went to all of them and you were like, this is fine, like nothing here.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  That, that was my, and it was funny because I had never really reconciled my, my thoughts on ghosts before that trip.

• 4:15Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Ryan Bergara was like, oh, you know, the previous host of the show Brent was like, I don't want to do this anymore. The show was like, was out for like three months and it was getting successful. And Ryan was like, let's do some ghost hunting. And Brent was like, eh.

• 4:28Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  He just like, I don't really want to do this. So Ryan was like, you, do you want to step in for him? I was like, sure.

• 4:34Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, and you, so you had really like never thought about it before.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  No, I was literally, I sat next to him at BuzzFeed. And he was like, hey, do you have time on your calendar to do this? I was like, yeah, sure. So then we were going ghost hunting and I was like, do I believe in ghosts? I guess I really don't.

• 4:49Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  I was like, I guess I've never really given the time of day to them.

• 4:53Kaelyn Moore?

  What an arc for your life then to have this be like the last 10 years.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  I know.

• 4:58Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  It's really something.

• 5:00Kaelyn Moore?

  And you don't feel any closer to believing than you did at the beginning.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  No, people always ask me about that. They're like, well, you've been doing this for 10 years. Surely you must have inched a little bit closer.

• 5:11Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. You must have seen something, like I would think you have seen something.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  I've not seen a thing.

• 5:16Kaelyn Moore?

  Wow.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  And Ryan Bergara believes he's seen everything. So both of us, it's kind of fascinating that we've just remained on these parallel tracks for 10 years.

• 5:24Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 5:25Speaker 01

  Never the twain.

• 5:26Kaelyn Moore?

  And neither have budged.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  No.

• 5:28Kaelyn Moore?

  That's so interesting. Do you, do you get, because this, this happens to me a lot where I'll be like at a family party or on a train or something and I'll, I'll like just talk to the person next to me and tell them what I do. And they're like, oh, I have to tell you something like, I don't believe in ghosts, but I had this thing happen to me that I can't explain. And they'll tell me like the scariest thing I've ever heard in my life.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:48Kaelyn Moore?

  Like I had a woman on a train tell me, she's like deeply devout Christian. She's like, I don't believe in ghosts, like my religion, we don't believe in ghosts. But I had this thing where I was in Gettysburg with my mother and my daughter, who was two at the time.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:01Kaelyn Moore?

  And my daughter was like sleeping on my lap. I was up late at night in this hotel and they told us when we like got into the hotel that is like an old timey hotel, like, oh, it's kind of spooky. And she's like, okay, whatever, we're just staying here. And at like midnight, she's talking to her mom in her hotel room. Her daughter's asleep in her lap. Her daughter gets up and just starts looking at the corner of the room. And she's like, baby, are you okay? And she goes, mom, is that man going to get me?

• 6:25Speaker 01

  I'm.

• 6:26Kaelyn Moore?

  And then just goes back to sleep. She was like, so I don't know what that was, but I had to switch rooms.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  But I, I, there's a lot of stories about like babies.

• 6:36Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  And children and like pets.

• 6:40Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Pets like staring at a corner or something.

• 6:43Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 6:44Speaker 01

  I had a cat and he would sometimes just stare at nothing, you know?

• 6:48Kaelyn Moore?

  See demons.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  I always, when people do tell me stories like that, I'm always, I'm never like, well, I don't ever.

• 6:56Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  I'm never like, I think you're lying to me.

• 6:58Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  I always believe that, that people are speaking with conviction when they say these

• 7:02Kaelyn Moore?

  I think so too.

• 7:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. I may think it's something else. Like a lot of times people would be like, I woke up and I saw this. And I'm in the back of my mind like, well, that's probably just sleep paralysis.

• 7:13Kaelyn Moore?

  As someone who has sleep paralysis and has had it like for a long time.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  Like you have it regularly?

• 7:18Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  Really?

• 7:19Kaelyn Moore?

  Usually when I'm stressed out, sleep deprived.

• 7:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:22Kaelyn Moore?

  So now being a new mom.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  Right. Oh, you're just haunted by the hat man every night.

• 7:27Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, by the hat man who I, I'll hear him banging on my door. I'll wake up in the middle of the night and I'll hear a man banging on my door. Let me in, let me in. I can hear his voice in my head. And now I'm pretty good at breathing through it. I heard that on average it only lasts three seconds. And so I can like, okay, just breathe for three seconds.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  Three seconds?

• 7:44Kaelyn Moore?

  I don't think it lasts for three seconds. I've counted to like at least 22 in my head.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  Maybe it's like a time stretch, kind of like it feels longer.

• 7:50Kaelyn Moore?

  I think so, because I've also had it where I'll wake up and be like, I can't breathe. And it's because when your like body paralyzes all the muscles to sleep, it also paralyzes some of the muscles around your lungs.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:01Kaelyn Moore?

  So you could, you'll wake up and those muscles will still be paralyzed. So it feels like you can't breathe.

• 8:05Speaker 01

  Well, probably when you're sleeping to, your body is breathing, but at like a slower rate. And then if you wake up and are freaked out by something.

• 8:12Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 8:13Speaker 01

  Want to breathe faster.

• 8:14Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  So you're trying to like manually like.

• 8:17Kaelyn Moore?

  And you can't, and so, yeah, so you feel like you're suffocating, but I, yeah, I'm able to kind of breathe through it now or just at least count myself through it. But I've, oh my gosh, I've had figures crawl into bed with me and squeeze me till I feel like I'm dying. I've woken up to like demons just turning, like opening a book in front of me and just turning the pages.

• 8:35Speaker 01

  That's kind of cool.

• 8:36Kaelyn Moore?

  They're like reading, they're like studying my old textbooks. Yeah, exactly. But so when someone's like, yeah, I woke up in the middle of the night and there's a figure at the foot of my bed. I'm like, ooh, I've had that too, girl.

• 8:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:47Kaelyn Moore?

  Like, I don't know.

• 8:48Speaker 01

  Do you sleep on your back? I've heard that that's a contributing.

• 8:51Kaelyn Moore?

  When I'm on my back, yeah, that's a big thing.

• 8:53Speaker 01

  I should try, I'm always like a side or a stomach sleeper.

• 8:56Kaelyn Moore?

  You want to induce the sleep paralysis?

• 8:57Speaker 01

  I kind of want to give it a go.

• 8:59Kaelyn Moore?

  You should stay up for like three days straight.

• 9:02Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:02Kaelyn Moore?

  And just try to like do a lot of really hard work, like just be really stressed out.

• 9:07Speaker 01

  Manual labor, three days straight.

• 9:08Kaelyn Moore?

  Just like have someone like scream at you, get like a huge fight with your wife and then fall asleep and I, the hat man will appear.

• 9:15Speaker 01

  Great, that's how you summon him.

• 9:16Kaelyn Moore?

  I've heard taking Benadryl will help too.

• 9:18Speaker 01

  That's the recipe for hat man. Okay, and some Benadryl.

• 9:20Kaelyn Moore?

  And some Benadryl.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Three days wide awake, manual labor, getting a fight with my wife.

• 9:25Kaelyn Moore?

  Huge fight, yeah.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  Pop some Benadryl.

• 9:26Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  And here he comes for three seconds.

• 9:29Kaelyn Moore?

  And Shane, you're going to be a believer. After that, you're going to be like, I take back everything I said, I am a believer now. Well, I have stories that I want to read to you today.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  Wonderful.

• 9:37Kaelyn Moore?

  Kind of in the vein of, as I was like going through and picking stories, I wanted to find ones where it's like, oh, is this paranormal or is this of our worlds?

• 9:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:46Kaelyn Moore?

  I think that a couple of these are pretty open-ended. So I'm going to start with the first one.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:51Kaelyn Moore?

  That I'm going to read to you.

• 9:52Speaker 01

  All right.

• 9:52Kaelyn Moore?

  It was post-it creepy encounters four days ago, and it's just titled backwards.

• 9:56Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 9:57Kaelyn Moore?

  So let me redo the story. So this person writes, I used to work at this gas station. I got up early in the morning, 3:00 AM. It was always pitch black when I went in. There were only two openers, me and this other girl. We would enter through the back door and do our usual morning stuff. This particular morning was no different than the rest. It was middle of the winter, bitterly cold, snowing lightly, no wind. I start flipping on lights and preparing to open the front doors when I see a figure across the parking lot. I can't really make them out at first, not too tall, maybe 5'5", slim build. I walked to the front doors, ready to unlock them. And then this weird ominous feeling falls over me. I looked up and this figure had gotten closer. They're now next to the pumps.

• 10:42Kaelyn Moore?

  This person is completely dark, as if they're covered head to toe in dark fabric, definitely wearing a jacket and pants and shoes, but they looked almost flat, like they had no face and their stride was really strange. My coworker is now at my side and we're both just watching. I'm not even sure what I'm looking at at this point. They continued past the gas pumps and into the parking lot of the tow truck company next door. And that's when I realized this figure is walking backwards. I asked my coworker, is that person walking backwards? And she whispered back, don't unlock the doors. But it was time to open, so I did. And I soon.

• 11:22Kaelyn Moore?

  Very compliant. I love it. As soon as I do, this person turns 180 degrees and starts bolting back towards the door of our gas station. My coworker screams and I rush to lock the doors again. And once they get to the doors, they stop, like dead stop. And I'm pretty sure both me and my coworkers drawers are on the floor at this point. The figure slowly turns around to face us. It's a woman. She's pale and smiling, a crooked, seething smile. She has these jet black eyes. It was like looking into a black hole. It was horrifying. The feeling of dread was welling up inside me so immensely, I thought I was going to throw up. This woman starts pounding on the door so hard that I'm sure she had bruises on her hands. And she was smiling at us the whole

• 12:04Kaelyn Moore?

  time. That was enough for both of us. We sprinted to the back. We called the cops, but by the time they got there, she was long gone. The cops did see her footprints in the snow, though, and they confirmed that she must have been walking backwards. We checked the camera footage afterwards. She walked away after we ran to the back, again, walking backwards. She walked back through the parking lot and off camera into the next lot. And that is the last we saw of her. It was so strange.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  It's a good bit.

• 12:30Kaelyn Moore?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 12:31Speaker 01

  And she committed to it.

• 12:32Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 12:32Speaker 01

  Even walking away.

• 12:34Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just think it was like a woman out there who's like, I'm just gonna walk backwards.

• 12:37Speaker 01

  So she walked to the tow truck company backwards.

• 12:41Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  At that point, couldn't they see her face, I guess?

• 12:44Kaelyn Moore?

  I guess they couldn't, couldn't see her face or couldn't see her face the whole time. I'm not sure, but they saw her when she was like at the window. They could tell that it was a woman, but walking backwards is hard.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  It is. Yeah.

• 12:54Kaelyn Moore?

  So, oh, that one, I was reading that one last night. It was like giving me shivers.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  This actually does illuminate something, which is that I do get frightened by video games.

• 13:05Kaelyn Moore?

  Hmm. Oh, interesting.

• 13:06Speaker 01

  Thing. I'll, I'll watch like any horror movie.

• 13:09Kaelyn Moore?

  Wow.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  There is a video, I can't, there's something about horror video games, just like, I can't deal with them.

• 13:16Kaelyn Moore?

  Why do you think that is?

• 13:17Speaker 01

  I don't know. I, I get frustrated with non horror video games if they're too difficult, where I'm like, I don't want this.

• 13:24Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  Like, I quit.

• 13:25Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  Like a little bit of challenge, but.

• 13:28Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, but not too much challenge.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  But that reminds me, there was a, a video game that we played somewhat recently. I think it's called Closing Shift. And it's this very lo-fi video game where you work at like a coffee shop.

• 13:39Kaelyn Moore?

  Already horrifying.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  And you have to like, close it up at the end of the night and you're the only one there. And it's just, it's like a very narrative video game where each night creepier and creepier things start happening.

• 13:49Kaelyn Moore?

  That's awesome.

• 13:49Speaker 01

  There's a person who eventually like breaks in and tries to kill you.

• 13:53Kaelyn Moore?

  That's really scary. And you get scared playing that game.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  I did get quite scared playing it.

• 13:57Kaelyn Moore?

  I mean, one of the scariest things that ever happened to me was when I worked at a McDonald's and I used to have to close. Cause I worked.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  Spooky.

• 14:02Kaelyn Moore?

  In a airport. So I would, I'd have to park in the commuter lot, like way far away. So I would close up. It was usually fine in the airport because there's security. I was past like the TSA. But when I left at night, there was one night where I got followed by a group of guys, like back to my car, like all the way on the end of the commuter lot. Like there is something so scary about closing.

• 14:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I used to do that at Starbucks in Illinois.

• 14:25Kaelyn Moore?

  Really?

• 14:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. It was, it was clothing, closing, but also like, sometimes we'd have to open at like four. And I'd get there and there'd be, just be pitch black and there's no one else. It's the winter, so it's freezing.

• 14:34Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, yeah. Cause they open so early.

• 14:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:36Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. What time do they close?

• 14:38Speaker 01

  Ours would usually close around like 10 or 11.

• 14:40Kaelyn Moore?

  Okay. So it's like, it's nighttime at that point. It's like pitch black.

• 14:42Speaker 01

  But every now and then, sometimes during the evenings, like, there were like firefighters nearby and they'd come out and like hang out at the Starbucks with us. And everyone would be like, yay, the firefighters are here.

• 14:53Kaelyn Moore?

  What a fun day at work.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  Have some free coffee, hang around.

• 14:56Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're here to protect us. Yeah.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I never had any specifically scary things happen at that Starbucks, but the vibes were potent at night.

• 15:06Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get a lot of scary listener write-ins about people who are like closing up at the Burger King and have to leave. And there's like someone waiting for them in the parking lot or, yeah, it's just like ripe for that stuff. But this, you don't think cryptid, you don't think she was some sort of like.

• 15:20Speaker 01

  It's like a lady who maybe was just going through some stuff, or.

• 15:23Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  Maybe going through stuff and had a good sense of humor.

• 15:26Kaelyn Moore?

  She was smiling. Yeah.

• 15:28Speaker 01

  She was smiling.

• 15:29Kaelyn Moore?

  It was a funny joke for her.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  I always, we had a show called Are You Scared, which dug into a lot of these old, you know, spooky internet creepypastas.

• 15:37Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 15:38Speaker 01

  And I do think it's funny how, like, as scary as this was, I can't imagine her eyes looked like black holes. People are always like, I was sucked into the madness of the vortex of her pupils.

• 15:50Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  It's like, it's not that scary.

• 15:52Kaelyn Moore?

  Like she just had dark brown eyes.

• 15:53Speaker 01

  Maybe you were scared.

• 15:54Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  That she had brown eyes.

• 15:55Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You can tell a lot from people's eyes, but yes, when people are like, oh, the dark vortex of, like, sometimes I'm like, were they on drugs and just had big pupils? Or.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe that's it.

• 16:06Kaelyn Moore?

  Dark. I don't know.

• 16:07Speaker 01

  It does sound like maybe some drugs were involved.

• 16:09Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. The walking backwards, though. That, I would just, I would freak out. I'm a scaredy cat though, a little bit. And I think I would have a really hard time with that.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  Honestly, if I were in this situation, I, I probably would be a little unnerved.

• 16:21Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes, yes.

• 16:22Speaker 01

  Backwards lady walked up and started pounding on the windows.

• 16:25Kaelyn Moore?

  And you're just alone.

• 16:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd call the cops. Sure.

• 16:28Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes, yes. They did the right thing. They called the cops.

• 16:29Speaker 01

  Or try to be like, hey, what's going on?

• 16:32Kaelyn Moore?

  Try to talk to her.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:33Kaelyn Moore?

  Try to go, chase her backwards.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  Or something, you know?

• 16:37Kaelyn Moore?

  Maybe she is just having a hard time.

• 16:38Speaker 01

  Maybe having a hard time? Just snowy out. Let her in. Give her a hot cup of joe.

• 16:43Kaelyn Moore?

  See, that makes me scared. I like, I, I don't know. Like talking to people who are like having a hard time, sometimes I'm like, not gonna be me.

• 16:48Speaker 01

  I mean, certainly this is not the best survivor's instinct for me to be like, come on in.

• 16:53Kaelyn Moore?

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• 17:37Kaelyn Moore?

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• 18:22Kaelyn Moore?

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• 19:02Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 19:02Kaelyn Moore?

  So we're on that one. We've decided not paranormal, just a silly little woman with a good.

• 19:07Speaker 01

  A silly little woman with a twisted sense of humor.

• 19:10Kaelyn Moore?

  With a twisted sense of humor. Okay, so this one comes from a thread that's, what paranormal experience still gives you chills when you think about it? This person writes, this was from 20 days ago. So the house that I grew up in had spooky stuff happen constantly. And my sister and I both had a slew of strange and scary things happen to us. But the only one that happened to me that was questionably paranormal, meaning that I can't explain it away, was this one. It's not that I don't believe the other things happened, but more that they could be explained away if I really thought about it. So I was probably 12 or so when this happened. And up to that point, my sister, who was 10, and I shared a bedroom. We only had two bedrooms in our house. So at some point, I got fed up and decided that my

• 19:53Kaelyn Moore?

  room was now going to be our unfinished basement. I was sleeping one night and I was startled awake by laughing. When I sat up, my sister was sitting on a couch we had down there, about 15 feet away from me. I was pissed that she was in my room and was doubly pissed that she woke me up. So I started yelling at her to leave and she just started laughing again. After several tries, I yelled at her to leave and she was still laughing. So I started getting up to go upstairs and tell her parents. I got up and I tripped on my way out of my bed. So I fell. And at that point, I just told her what I was doing, going upstairs to tell her parents. All of a sudden, her demeanor changed and she lowered her gaze and started glowering at me. She tracked me all the way through the basement as I headed towards the stairs.

• 20:37Kaelyn Moore?

  And I looked back at her several times before I exited the basement. My sister's room was on the way to my parents' room. And as I was passing, I glanced into her room to find her sleeping soundly in her bed. So obviously, she couldn't pass me up two flights of stairs without me noticing. So I immediately froze in the hallway when it dawned on me that she was never in my room. I actually ended up crawling straight into bed with her because I was too scared to go back in the basement. Needless to say, after that point, I decided my independence and privacy wasn't all that important anymore. And I moved back in with my sister.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  It's a beautiful story.

• 21:12Kaelyn Moore?

  It's beautiful.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  She learned her lesson.

• 21:14Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  Sisterhood is important.

• 21:16Kaelyn Moore?

  Girlhood.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  That's really nice.

• 21:17Kaelyn Moore?

  That is really nice.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  I don't know. What do you make of that one?

• 21:20Kaelyn Moore?

  I don't know. I do get a lot of mimic stories too, from listeners, like.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  That's crazy to me. I like, that feels like it should be an extension of sleep paralysis or something, but.

• 21:30Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, because it's another one where woke up in the middle of night.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  The waking up is always kind of a red flag, but do people walk around? They don't.

• 21:40Kaelyn Moore?

  No, that's the big thing is you feel you can't move at all.

• 21:43Speaker 01

  But I like sleepwalkers. Like I knew someone growing up who, I think their brother would have this habit. And this, this, I'd be like, get out of this house. He would wake up and go to the front door and open it.

• 21:56Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh.

• 21:57Speaker 01

  And talk to no one.

• 21:58Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, my God. That's horrifying.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  You don't want a sibling like that.

• 22:02Kaelyn Moore?

  No, my, my sibling Leo had what I imagine was sleep terror when we were growing up, which never really affected me unless we were on vacation together and had to sleep in the same room.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:12Kaelyn Moore?

  And so there was one night I remember where I'm awake, it's not that late, and I'm watching TV and Leo had fallen asleep and all of a sudden they just start clawing at nothing going, who are you? Who are you? And then I start freaking out. So I'm like, Leo, Leo. Leo sits up, looks at me, eyes still closed and goes, what? And then I just like, I don't think I smacked them, but I definitely started like shaking. I was like, wake up, wake up. Cause like really, really scary. So my parents had really scary interactions with Leo when Leo was like asleep in the house, walking around the house at night. So yeah, definitely sleepwalking is a whole other terrifying thing in general. You don't sleepwalk, do you? Have you ever done it?

• 22:54Speaker 01

  I have never slept. Well, I think, you know what? I think my parents did say once when I was younger, there was one night where I got up and like, came down to the family room and they were watching the movie Rudy.

• 23:06Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, like.

• 23:07Speaker 01

  With Sean Astin, the football movie.

• 23:09Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 23:09Speaker 01

  And he said, I watched like half the movie with them and then went back to sleep.

• 23:13Kaelyn Moore?

  Like fully asleep.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  And then the next day I had no memory of it.

• 23:16Kaelyn Moore?

  That to me is really scary though.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  That's pretty weird, but I was probably like six or seven. So I, I really.

• 23:22Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 23:22Speaker 01

  You know?

• 23:23Kaelyn Moore?

  You're like, would you have remembered the plot anyways enough to like tell them about it?

• 23:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, who knows? But other than that, I did use to have like night terrors.

• 23:30Kaelyn Moore?

  Ooh, that's scary.

• 23:31Speaker 01

  Not where I'd sleepwalk, but I would just have like scary dreams and would scream.

• 23:36Kaelyn Moore?

  And people would hear you screaming and yeah.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  I did specifically like a dog biting my face, like chewing my face off.

• 23:42Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Not what you want.

• 23:44Kaelyn Moore?

  No, you were like young, young when that would happen?

• 23:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so.

• 23:47Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  But ever since then, nothing. But mimics, it's, it seems so farfetched.

• 23:55Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, I don't know. I, I, cause I do hear about it a lot.

• 23:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:59Kaelyn Moore?

  A lot from people and I've had dear friends who like.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  Oh, so you've heard firsthand?

• 24:04Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  Okay. See, that's more interesting to me because I feel like anybody can write anything on the internet. Like recently we did, uh, we went ghost hunting at the, up on the, up the coast in Oregon. It's called the Heesda Head Lighthouse. Beautiful. The most beautiful lighthouse I've ever seen.

• 24:20Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  It's like on a crag of rocks overlooking the Pacific.

• 24:23Kaelyn Moore?

  Wow. Where is this?

• 24:25Speaker 01

  It's near Eugene.

• 24:27Kaelyn Moore?

  Amazing. Okay.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  Or yeah, it's, I could be wrong about that. I forgot what the nearest town is.

• 24:32Kaelyn Moore?

  I'll put a graphic up.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  Oh, the nearest town, I think is Florence, Oregon, which.

• 24:36Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, cool.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  We got a hotel there and then I learned that night that that is the town where they, a whale washed ashore and they stuffed it full of dynamite and blew it up. Have you ever seen that video?

• 24:46Kaelyn Moore?

  No.

• 24:47Speaker 01

  Oh, it's amazing.

• 24:48Kaelyn Moore?

  Who did that? Like just a group of boys?

• 24:50Speaker 01

  It was a dead whale. It had washed ashore and they were like, how are we going to get rid of this? It's huge. So they put like a bunch of dynamite in it. And there's this incredible news report of it. They recently uploaded it in like 4K. This news report from like the eighties and they put so much dynamite in it and.

• 25:09Kaelyn Moore?

  And they just blew it.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  They really did not have to put that much in it and they, they lit it and they like ignited it. And it's the biggest explosion.

• 25:17Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, my God.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  And it just, it like basically vaporizes it and then huge chunks of whale.

• 25:26Kaelyn Moore?

  What did they think was gonna happen?

• 25:27Speaker 01

  Down and people are like, oh, they start like laughing at first, but then they realize like, oh, this is a dangerous situation. And like huge chunks of whale like landed on cars and destroyed them.

• 25:37Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, my God.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  But, uh, that's my little side story about that town.

• 25:40Kaelyn Moore?

  That's where it happened.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  That morning when we woke up to.

• 25:42Kaelyn Moore?

  That's like what they're known for now.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  Go to the lighthouse. I was like, we gotta stop by the whale beach. Cause they have like a little commemorative sign there for the whale.

• 25:48Kaelyn Moore?

  Like a plaque for him.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  But that lighthouse, when we were there, going on people sort of seeing things like that. They told us, they were like, well, we have this photo of a, a ghost at the, at the bed and breakfast that used to be the lighthouse keeper's quarters. And they showed us a photo that is fully just a woman in the window. I'm like, there's no way this is a ghost. And they were like, no, there was no one there at the time. And I was like, there, we got to account for like. Maybe just slight misunderstandings about who is where, because this is a woman who is clearly modern, just wearing like a bit of an old timey costume of some kind.

• 26:26Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  And if you see the photo, you're like, it's just a lady.

• 26:30Kaelyn Moore?

  There's, on the paranormal subreddit, there's so many pictures that are like a 14 year old boy being like, what was behind me in this photo? And it's just another 14 year old boy like moving kind of fast. So it's like blurry.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  And they're like, well, I don't remember anyone being behind me.

• 26:44Kaelyn Moore?

  No one was in the room.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  You know?

• 26:46Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, that's true. Crosswires. That makes sense.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  That happened to us too. Uh, years ago, we stayed at the Sorrel Weed House in Savannah. And there were these noises from upstairs that sounded like a dog. And Ryan, and we weren't allowed to go up there, but Ryan swore up and down. He was like, there's no one up there. And I was like, it's a dog. We can hear it. And he was like, that's not a dog. And then we went back there a few years ago and there's like a new staff there. And I was like, hey, settle this for me.

• 27:18Kaelyn Moore?

  Whoa.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  For years, we've been arguing about this, this dog noise that we heard. And they were like, oh yeah, there was a guy who lived up there with his dog. I was like, come on.

• 27:27Kaelyn Moore?

  So it just wasn't a dog. I will say, so this is Gordy. I got him at Uncommon.

• 27:31Speaker 01

  He's good.

• 27:32Kaelyn Moore?

  Isn't he good?

• 27:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:33Kaelyn Moore?

  He is really, I think he has good vibes. Some people are like, huh, but I think he's, he's a good vibe guy. I got him at Uncommon Objects in Austin, which is like this really cool oddity shop there. They have amazing things, but when we got him, we were living in Austin at the time and I kept him upstairs in our studio. And we just got our dog, who was a puppy at the time. And the dog was like not allowed upstairs at all because like puppies pee all over the house. So you have to like be watching the dog all the time. And there were two separate instances where my husband, Matt, like basically came to me and was like, where's the dog? Like I hear him running around upstairs. Like, did you let him go upstairs? Like we have to get him and we'd run upstairs and he's not there. He's like sleeping down on the couch. We just didn't see him. So we were like, oh my gosh, is there some sort of.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  He's just tip tapping around.

• 28:17Kaelyn Moore?

  Fear inside of Gordy that's just like galloping around upstairs. Yeah. It was, I still remember the second time it happened too. Cause it, it sounded so much like the dog. And sometimes I do wonder like, oh, am I so afraid of the dog peeing upstairs on the carpet? That I'm hearing?

• 28:30Speaker 01

  You're finally attuned to.

• 28:32Kaelyn Moore?

  Cause I hear my baby cry all the time now when he's not crying. Like you do.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 28:37Kaelyn Moore?

  Have like those phantom.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:39Kaelyn Moore?

  What? Cause you're like scared that he's going to be crying. So.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:42Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. I was like, I don't know. It could be that, but it really, I don't know. It was spooky. And I would have sleep paralysis episodes with Gordy in the sleep paralysis.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  But he's a friend.

• 28:50Kaelyn Moore?

  He is a friend. I mean, look at him. He's so cute.

• 28:53Speaker 01

  What was he doing? Was he, he's, he's a fun guy.

• 28:55Kaelyn Moore?

  There was one where like I woke up, there was one room in the house I was scared of because there was a really scary crawl space. It was like enough to fit a whole family. And I was always scared that there was going to be someone living inside of there. When I opened it, huge fear of mine, but there were nights where I would sleep in the guest bed if I like had a cold or something, or had to be up super early. And I would literally like lay in bed and just stare at the crawl space door. Like in horror until I fell asleep.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  What if you one night woke up in the crawl space?

• 29:23Kaelyn Moore?

  See, I have a fear about that too of like, oh, I sleptwalked, like something possessed me. I sleptwalked and now I woke up in the crawl space. I don't know what I would do. I really don't know what I would do. I don't know what would be worse. Like me waking up in one of those or me opening the door and seeing another person in one of those.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  Probably the other person.

• 29:39Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:40Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. Just living in my house.

• 29:42Speaker 01

  What are they doing there?

• 29:43Kaelyn Moore?

  What are you doing?

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Have good intentions.

• 29:45Kaelyn Moore?

  They never have good intentions.

• 29:47Speaker 01

  Someone squatting in your house?

• 29:49Kaelyn Moore?

  No.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  Not good.

• 29:50Kaelyn Moore?

  They're always there to mess with you. And actually that kind of brings me to my next story.

• 29:52Speaker 01

  Oh, we got a ton of these. I love, I love these stories.

• 29:55Kaelyn Moore?

  I have, well, I actually have a couple. So I think you're gonna like this one then. This one is just called, it's a bad time. I keep finding hairs in my house.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 30:06Kaelyn Moore?

  And this is written by that one clone trooper. User one, that one clone trooper. And it's from May of this year. So they write, I'm a man in my twenties that lives alone on the very top floor of an apartment block. I've had short hair for the last 10 years of my life. The longest hair on my head is maybe an inch long, if that. However, across my house, I keep finding long hairs on the floor, like long brunette hairs, at least five to six inches, sometimes longer. And they would be everywhere, bathroom floor, in my shower, in my cupboard, in my kitchen, on old clothes, my living room floor, sofas, everywhere. I've been single since November and I clean often enough that I am certain it's not my ex-girlfriend's hairs.

• 30:50Kaelyn Moore?

  Plus the color doesn't match anyways. She had solid black hair. These are more like a light brunette. Plus finding them in places like my shower where water is hitting all sides five times a week, doesn't make any sense. Anyways, I waved it off as, well, I work with a lot of people. I use the gym and the bus. And sometimes naturally hairs are going to stick to my clothes. Well, one day a month ago, I finished my early AM gym session and I got the call that I didn't have to go into work that day. So naturally I started walking home all happy that I have the day to myself. I'm on the fifth floor, the uppermost floor of the building. And the apartment is in such a way that there's only one apartment per floor.

• 31:34Kaelyn Moore?

  I start to hustle up the stairs and I don't use the elevator since I'm sweaty from the gym anyways. Just as I whip a right to go up the last set of stairs from the fourth floor to the fifth floor. I see my neighbor from the third floor, her daughter coming down the stairs. We lock eyes, make eye contact. We've never spoken before, mostly because we've never had a reason to, but also out of respect, I didn't want to make her uncomfortable because she's only like 19. I'm a little bit older than her. The most interaction we've had is that I've spoken to her mother and father before, when we were bumping into each other on the stairs. I give her this confused hello at this point, thinking that maybe she went to knock on my door to ask for something. A cup of sugar, maybe? I don't know.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Classic.

• 32:17Kaelyn Moore?

  Classic neighbor. I was expecting her to reply with something like, oh, hi, do you have any XYZ? No. She gives me this silent hey and brushes right past me. And only then, when the smell of my own shampoo hit me, did I realize that her hair was wet. Like fresh out of the shower a minute ago wet.

• 32:39Kaelyn Moore?

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• 33:20Kaelyn Moore?

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• 35:31Kaelyn Moore?

  Now, I'm not saying she showered in my house or that I have a stalker that's been living in my house while I've been at work. She easily could have just been there to ask for something and most generic shampoos smell the same. But don't the pieces fit together a bit too well? Her hair color matches the hairs that I would find around my apartment. And like I said before, they were everywhere. I mean, even in my sock drawers. And if this is the case of me having a stalker, how did she know I came home early enough to bolt out of the shower in time? Our apartment does not have cameras. It's an older building from before 2000. And why would she be stalking me? For how long has she been doing this? We've never dated, never had a proper conversation. I saw her maybe 20 times in the past two years, given that I work and she, I guess presumably studies or maybe works too.

• 36:16Kaelyn Moore?

  All of these thoughts are buzzing through my head and I'm standing there outside of my door for a solid two minutes grappling with what just happened. I go to turn the key to my door and it opens without me having to unlock it. I know for a fact that I always double lock my door. It's the type with a lock near waist level and a second, more secure lock with a different key at around shoulder level. I drop my bag, I throw off my shoes and I run to my shower and yep, it's wet.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 36:41Kaelyn Moore?

  I hadn't showered that day. I showered yesterday morning. Now I'm a confrontational person. Not that I go looking for fights, but I'll definitely pursue an answer if something is bugging me. So I go back down the stairs to the third floor and I go and I knock on the door of my apparent stalker and her family. And she opens the door with a chain still on. I see half of her face from behind the door. Yes, uh, can I help? Were you at my door or inside? I don't want to make this a police thing now, but you came down the stairs and I know you were inside. And then she said to me, I just had to get something. It won't happen again. Okay, bye, see you. And she closed the door.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  Just had to get something.

• 37:16Kaelyn Moore?

  This happened last month. I've been cleaning my house every weekend closely now, and I checked the locks and I changed the locks and I put a motion sensor camera above my door. It only triggers on the steps coming up to my door. So the fourth apartment still has their privacy. So far, so good. I don't think she's been inside, but looking back, I think she had been living in or going in whatever to my apartment since January, because that's my earliest memory of finding her hairs. She never took anything of value like my laptop or the couple of watches I have. Seemingly she just showered and ate some of my food and I guess laid in my bed.

• 37:50Speaker 01

  Okay. Well, one, I commend this poster for giving us the whole story.

• 37:56Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 37:57Speaker 01

  A lot of times you'll get like 15 updates from these things.

• 38:00Kaelyn Moore?

  They do have some updates that I can read, but yeah, they, they keep going.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  I would pursue the conversation a little bit more.

• 38:07Kaelyn Moore?

  With the girl?

• 38:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:08Kaelyn Moore?

  You would have talked to her more?

• 38:09Speaker 01

  Or maybe her parents?

• 38:11Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes.

• 38:11Speaker 01

  Be like, hey, just a heads up.

• 38:14Kaelyn Moore?

  This has been happening.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  Want to have a talk with you.

• 38:16Kaelyn Moore?

  Cause I would assume they would want to know that their daughter is just fully living in someone else's apartment.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  You think it's just getting away from the parents? Just like, oh, I can.

• 38:25Kaelyn Moore?

  I think so.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  Chill at this guy's pad.

• 38:27Kaelyn Moore?

  This person, I mean, they do go on to give a couple of updates. So someone says, how did she get in and have her own keys? And the locks on our, they say that the locks on our door are the type that use a code on the lock barrel that only the manufacturer or partnered approved locksmiths have access to. She knew this because her parents got the locks changed when they first moved in. And in fact, they use the same locksmith from all the way back then. So the locksmith presumably remembered the family and apartment, but just didn't pay attention to the fact that this was the fifth floor instead of their own third floor. So I guess they're guessing that the like, the locksmith accidentally made the keys. Like she must've asked.

• 39:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:02Kaelyn Moore?

  For them.

• 39:03Speaker 01

  Oh, I see.

• 39:04Kaelyn Moore?

  And then, so someone asked, what was she doing in your apartment? And the poster says, anyone who said she just needed space, you were right. She has two younger step siblings and her mother is a tutor. So at any given point, there's always some kids around the house. She would tell her parents she was going out to study or work at a friend's house and she would use my apartment as a hotel while she studied or relaxed.

• 39:26Speaker 01

  I'm going to go out on a limb here. I think that's pretty cool.

• 39:31Kaelyn Moore?

  No, really?

• 39:34Speaker 01

  They were the other way around. You know, you don't want to like a creepy dude coming in.

• 39:38Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, for sure. I guess on the long list of who could be there.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  And your neighbors are workaholic, going to the gym and you need some space and you could break into your neighbors.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  No, I don't. Of course, I don't recommend you do that.

• 39:51Kaelyn Moore?

  Of course, of course.

• 39:52Speaker 01

  But I think it's pretty funny.

• 39:53Kaelyn Moore?

  When I first moved to LA, I lived in this, like, there was probably like 30 apartments in our apartment complex. And above us, there were two guys that were like my age. We're all early twenties, working in Hollywood, whatever. And there was a family there. They had just had a baby. And one morning they woke up to one of the guys sleeping on their couch because he had locked in, he'd come home really drunk, locked himself out of his apartment. Just, I guess, started trying windows to see what was unlocked and got into their apartment and felt like had never spoken to them before, but was just fully sleeping on their couch. And they called 911 immediately.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  Sure, as you would.

• 40:27Kaelyn Moore?

  And he had to move out of our apartment complex. Like he was not allowed to live there anymore. Rightfully so, because can you imagine?

• 40:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:35Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh my gosh.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  That happened a while ago when we were living in a, a big apartment building. I had a pool and we had a bunch of our friends over and it was like a summer weekend and everyone was kind of drinking and enjoying the pool. And one of my friends was like, oh, I'm going to go, can I grab your, can I go use your bathroom? And I was like, yeah, it's, you know, you remember the way. And he walked in to an apartment and used the bathroom.

• 41:02Kaelyn Moore?

  No.

• 41:03Speaker 01

  And then as he was walking out of the bathroom, he like looked in the bedroom and saw someone laying in bed with like, looking at a phone or something. And he was like, hey, he thought it was like our apartment. And he was like, oh, who's here? And he was like, hey, and the guy said, can you please leave? And he said, oh my God, I'm so sorry.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  But it was just unlocked. And luckily, yeah, they didn't get super mad about it.

• 41:31Kaelyn Moore?

  That's so funny. Be like, can you please leave?

• 41:34Speaker 01

  He fully went in and used the bathroom and peed.

• 41:36Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  Luckily he didn't do anything else.

• 41:38Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, seriously.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  Just, just a quick pee.

• 41:42Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh my gosh, that's horrifying though. I don't know what I, I don't know what I would do.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  No, that's pretty, but also lock your doors.

• 41:49Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes, for sure. Lock your doors.

• 41:50Speaker 01

  I keep my doors locked because maybe because I know that happened.

• 41:54Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, a hundred percent. I mean, yeah, it's really scary stuff. There was a time where I was in college, I was a really heavy sleeper. I, I used to be before having a baby, but really heavy sleeper, especially in college. And there was a night that I woke up and my roommates were awake, talking to each other. This must've been like two in the morning. And I was like, are you guys okay? And they're like, did you just sleep through all of that? And I was like, what happened? And apparently someone, again, very drunk, thought that our apartment or our dorm was his dorm. He was just on the wrong floor. But he got really mad and was like, this is my dorm. You're in my dorm, like get out of my room and was like, and I slept through the whole thing, which is crazy. But he was like pushing past them to try to get into our room and they're screaming at him like, get out. Like we're going to call campus police.

• 42:37Kaelyn Moore?

  And they got him out luckily, but yeah, it's just someone was trying to get into our dorm room while we were all sleeping.

• 42:43Speaker 01

  Chilling.

• 42:43Kaelyn Moore?

  I just slept. One time I slept through, there apparently was like, I mean, it's really dark, but there was like a murder suicide in the building next to us.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  Oh my God.

• 42:51Kaelyn Moore?

  And I slept through the helicopter circling our apartment, shining lights into our windows on the bullhorn, being like, stay in your apartment.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  Classic LA.

• 43:00Kaelyn Moore?

  I know at that point, it's just like background noise, right? You just tune it out.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  I had a, the, this is a, I don't think the story's super long, but it's a good example of like a weird thing happening and then getting confirmation on it.

• 43:14Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  This was a few weeks ago. I was working from home and across the street, every now and then people like idle on the street. And it's one of those things where like the sound of a car engine kind of annoys me if it's there for a long time, especially when it stops and you're like, oh, it's suddenly quiet. And I've been living with this idling noise for so long.

• 43:36Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  So there was this car across the street that was idling and sometimes people do that for like an hour or so, if they might be on a phone call or something. But this like, I was working all day and it like started at 9:00 AM and the car was there till like noon. And I was like, what are these people doing? And I, they had like a tinted window. So I was like, What is going on over there? Are they ever gonna leave? And eventually they left and I was like, great. And then I was like on a meeting or something. And then I looked back over and there was another car idling. I noticed like a half hour later, I was like, what is going on? Why is everyone idling on the street today? And I like to look at birds, so I have a monocular.

• 44:15Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  So I took out my, my little monocular and I looked out the window.

• 44:23Kaelyn Moore?

  Like a pirate.

• 44:23Speaker 01

  Like a pirate. I looked insane. I looked like Jimmy Stewart in Rear Window. So I was like, what's going on over there? And I could kind of see someone like talking on the phone or whatever. And then I had to go like pick something up in the neighborhood. So I was like, well, since the window's tinted, I'm gonna walk around the front of the car just to see. I'm doing my own investigating here.

• 44:41Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  And I walked around the front and I saw a guy just sitting there and I was like, okay. I guess it's just a guy sitting there. So it was a second car that just happened to be idling with tinted windows. Then around like three or four PM, they left. And another car, and I was telling my wife about this and she was like, are you sure they're idling? And I was like, yes. And furthermore, I think it's the same guy in all the cars.

• 45:06Kaelyn Moore?

  In different cars coming back.

• 45:07Speaker 01

  And she was like, why would that be? Why would it be the same guy?

• 45:12Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  And I was like, I don't know. And she was like, are you sure? Do you think it's the same guy? And I was like, yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm pretty sure. I've been looking at them with my monocular. And she was like, but the windows are tinted. And I was like, yeah, but the shape is pretty similar. And then so around like seven PM, since like nine AM, it's seven PM now. And we're going to a movie. And I was like, there's still a person out there, still idling, I swear.

• 45:37Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 45:38Speaker 01

  But we went to a movie, we went to see Digger, of course.

• 45:40Kaelyn Moore?

  Of course.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  As all movie heads.

• 45:43Kaelyn Moore?

  As you have to.

• 45:44Speaker 01

  As you have to. And we got back at like 10 or 11. And I was like, if there's someone idling out there, I'm gonna go insane. And I got up and I looked out the window, I opened the window and there was a car idling. And that exact same thought, a fourth different car.

• 46:02Kaelyn Moore?

  And it looked like the same person?

• 46:03Speaker 01

  I couldn't really tell because by now it was dark.

• 46:04Kaelyn Moore?

  Okay.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  But I was like.

• 46:05Kaelyn Moore?

  Monocular doesn't work in the dark as well.

• 46:06Speaker 01

  Maybe, maybe, maybe there's like, cause the idling noise, it's like, maybe someone just has like an AC unit on somewhere. And the way it's bouncing off the, cause it's across the street. But I was like, I'm pretty sure, unless I'm just hearing some other noise and I'm attributing it to that car.

• 46:22Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  So it's like 11 PM and I was like, I'm gonna go outside and walk past that car to see if it's on. And I walked outside and I walked past the car and it was off. And I was like, you think they turned it off? And Sarah at this point was like, I think you just gotta give it up.

• 46:40Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  I don't think.

• 46:41Kaelyn Moore?

  Tired to go to bed.

• 46:42Speaker 01

  I don't think the same person has been for different cars. And literally like the last, like, I sounded like Benoit Blanc before we were going to sleep. I was like, it makes no damn sense. It compels me though. I was like, literally voicing aloud as I was falling asleep. I was like, why would the same guy be in four different cars? And I was just drifting off to sleep. And then at 5:30 in the morning, we awoke to sirens and the FBI yelling on a bullhorn at the house across the street that they were about to enter the house. And I bolted out of bed and I was like, I'm a genius. I was like, I got the drop on the FBI.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  They were sitting there all day long, watching this house. And I was in my window going, what are those guys up to? I knew it. I was like, this is the most like validating thing that has ever happened in my, in my entire life.

• 47:38Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh my gosh.

• 47:38Speaker 01

  All day, I was like, there's something funny going on across the street. And to just have that, to wait, to be woken up by the world being like, you were right.

• 47:48Kaelyn Moore?

  By the validation on the bullhorn. Wow. Did you find out what was going on in the house while they were entering?

• 47:53Speaker 01

  Stories to find out, see if there were like any news stories, what said they arrested some people? I don't know what was going on. I don't know, it looked like maybe like a white collar crime of some kind. I don't know what was going on.

• 48:03Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  But there were like FBI agents all over the street. It was wild.

• 48:08Kaelyn Moore?

  That's, that is really wild, but like, good for you for paying attention. Cause like, I don't pay attention like that all the time. And so to know that like, it's the same guy in different cars.

• 48:18Speaker 01

  I mentioned it to so many people and I felt so satisfied.

• 48:23Kaelyn Moore?

  Okay. So I have some rapid fire ones that are again, on the like line of paranormal or not. Someone wrote, okay, what just happened to me? I woke up at 5:37 AM, showered, cooked rice and then looked at the clock and it was 3:07 AM. And they go into detail. So they go, something super weird just happened to me and I'm very confused. I woke up thinking that I was late this morning. I looked at my phone and it said 5:37 AM. The sky outside was already bright. I rushed to get out of bed. I started cooking rice and I went to take a shower. Right after I finished showering, I noticed that everything was now dark. I thought it was just getting cloudy out, but when I checked my phone again, it was 3:07 AM and it was still pitch black outside. What is this phenomenon called?

• 49:05Kaelyn Moore?

  Did I dream the whole thing or did my brain just completely make up the morning routine? Has anyone else experienced anything like this?

• 49:13Speaker 01

  That.

• 49:14Kaelyn Moore?

  Glitch in the matrix.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's gotta be a dream, right?

• 49:18Kaelyn Moore?

  I don't know. Cause they got up and they started getting ready. I guess.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  I guess if they're right, if they have evidence.

• 49:22Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Oh, the rice I made is here.

• 49:24Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. Yeah. They like made rice, they showered, cause they like woke up and stayed awake. So that makes me think it wasn't like a dream or sleep paralysis kind of thing. They jumped back in time.

• 49:35Speaker 01

  That's one of the things where if someone tells me that story, I'm like, well, I believe that you experienced this.

• 49:39Kaelyn Moore?

  Right. Yeah. Yeah. It was like your dear friend saying like, this crazy thing just happened to me. What do you think it is? You'd be like, you'd probably believe them that they had that experience.

• 49:48Speaker 01

  I guess as a supportive friend, you would have to. But I'd be like, maybe go to the doctor.

• 49:54Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. Also a little bit of that.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  Head checked.

• 49:57Kaelyn Moore?

  Did you hit your head? What do you think is going on? No, that is so true.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  Time skips are crazy. Like the notion of that. I assume there's a lot of stories like that online.

• 50:07Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  Experience like glitches.

• 50:09Kaelyn Moore?

  So many weird time slip ones, so many. Yeah. And I guess sometimes it could be like, oh, you're in a flow state. You don't realize that hours have passed. You thought it was just 20 minutes, but there's a lot of those. And I actually got one from back in the really early days of doing this podcast. I got one from a woman who was like, when I was 16, I was at this park in New York. And my boyfriend and I just went on a loop, a little path. And when we got back, his family was like, where have you guys been? You've been gone for hours. We've been screaming for you. We were gonna call the police, like we, we were calling you, texting you, whatever. Or I guess it was the nineties, so there wasn't, like they couldn't, they didn't have cell phones. But they're like, where were you? And she was like, we truly were gone for 20 minutes and it had been hours that they were gone. It turns out this is Thompson Park in New York.

• 50:51Kaelyn Moore?

  It's upstate New York. They call it like the area 51 of New York. Because so many people have these weird experiences in the park. And it turns out, it kind of, the story takes this really weird turn. But there was like a local woman named Gail who was a witch.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  A witch.

• 51:06Kaelyn Moore?

  In like the seventies.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:08Kaelyn Moore?

  And she, according to her, she's the reason the park is area 51.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  She's the Blair Witch of Thompson Park.

• 51:14Kaelyn Moore?

  The park, she opened a, what does she call it? Not a portal, but she opened some sort of like, like broke open the time space continuum in the park.

• 51:22Speaker 01

  She, she slit the veil.

• 51:25Kaelyn Moore?

  She slit the veil. And what she says is now people can kind of jump in and out of the veil. And when they jump into the veil, they think they're in the same exact spot of the park for like 10 minutes. But when they come back, hours have, and what was really wild about that is like, I messaged the woman and told her about Gail. Cause I had to hunt down an interview with Gail. You can't find any of her interviews like anywhere online, really.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  Is she still around?

• 51:47Kaelyn Moore?

  No, she passed away.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 51:48Kaelyn Moore?

  She was, sadly she passed away, but she was like in her nineties. And the woman who had the experience had no idea about any of that. She just knew that she had this weird thing happen in the park. So she didn't know the whole Gail backstory. And I was able to piece that together for her and then it just kind of like scared everyone even more. So that was really freaky.

• 52:05Speaker 01

  So wait, did you find interviews with Gail at all?

• 52:07Kaelyn Moore?

  So this one podcast, I think they were called the Crypto Not Podcast. They did an interview with her and I reached out to them because I caught winds that they did an interview with her. And I asked if I could hear it, but they said I couldn't post it anywhere. So, but they sent me the MP3. So it really doesn't exist. They said they were gonna post it, but I don't think they ever did. So I kind of like was able to summarize it for her, but I couldn't play excerpts from Gail's actual interview.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  That's the thing that I always have to clarify to people is like, I want that to be real.

• 52:34Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  And I want, I want to see a ghost.

• 52:38Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 52:38Speaker 01

  I would love that.

• 52:39Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 52:39Speaker 01

  Cause I think that's, I, I want, I want there to be this sort of new level of, of a understanding and like a thing to existence that, you know, we haven't grappled with before.

• 52:51Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 52:52Speaker 01

  I would love it.

• 52:53Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. I want that for you too. I think that'd be really cool. Yeah. I really hope you do see, I think you will. I don't know. I, I feel like at some point you have to, if you keep going to these places.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  A decade, Kayla.

• 53:05Kaelyn Moore?

  You've been on it pretty much longer than anyone. You've gone to more places.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:09Kaelyn Moore?

  Do you ever think about how Zach Bagans has experiences at every single place he goes?

• 53:12Speaker 01

  I do think about that. I do think about that quite a bit.

• 53:15Kaelyn Moore?

  I don't know what it is. Those ghosts, they just, they really love him.

• 53:18Speaker 01

  It is. It seems like maybe if you want to make compelling ghost hunting content, sometimes you get, cause I'll tell you what. We, every now and then we have episodes where we're like, well, nothing going on here.

• 53:29Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 53:30Speaker 01

  Sorry folks.

• 53:31Kaelyn Moore?

  Do you ever scrap anything because of that?

• 53:33Speaker 01

  No, honestly, I think, and I think that helps our, our sort of legitimacy.

• 53:38Kaelyn Moore?

  I think so too. Yeah.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  Cause we're like, sometimes it doesn't happen. And I see a lot of people who will go to like the, like, I really don't watch a lot of ghost hunting content, which I think is apparent. But you know, the ones that I have seen, like they'll go and they'll be like, oh, just like if nothing's happening, they'll be like, oh, it feels weird.

• 53:58Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. It's so cold all of a sudden. Can't breathe.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  Chill.

• 54:02Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  And it's easy to do that. And to my co-host Ryan Burgar's credit, he, he doesn't do that. And when he does it, it's very far and few between, you know, he'll like, he's done it. He's done that like three times over the course of a decade where he'll be like, I got a weird feeling. And that it's so sporadic.

• 54:21Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 54:21Speaker 01

  Makes me think like he's being genuine when he, when he does that.

• 54:24Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. You both feel very genuine when you do it, which is also probably why people like it so much.

• 54:29Speaker 01

  I would hope so.

• 54:29Kaelyn Moore?

  Cause it doesn't feel like you're being tricked.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:31Kaelyn Moore?

  By the people who are doing this ghost hunt.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:34Kaelyn Moore?

  Which is really.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  And sometimes the episodes are very boring and we apologize, but thank you for watching.

• 54:40Kaelyn Moore?

  Sorry, nothing happened. Thank you for watching. Okay. And then last one I have, this is called 911 mysterious call. So this person writes, does anyone have an explanation? At 1 AM, the police knocked on my door. They told me a 911 call had been traced directly to my phone and that they used the ping to track my address. 911 called my phone back twice, but of course I was sleeping. I didn't hear the call. My phone wasn't even near me. It was sitting on its charger in another room the entire time. When I called my mobile carrier this morning to figure out what had happened, they confirmed there was no record of any outgoing call to 911 on my account. No one can offer me an explanation. So they're saying, I guess that a ghost called the police.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't know what to make of that one. I guess it could be like a tech glitch, but

• 55:28Kaelyn Moore?

  That's also true.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  That's not the most fun.

• 55:30Kaelyn Moore?

  Well, the first, the top comment, someone writes, "I used to have a boyfriend that lived in the next town over, and every single time I visited him, I'd get a call from 911 saying that they had just received a hang up call from my number. It never, it only ever happened at his house. There was no one there but us, and I never called 911. Sometimes I would receive the call before I even got out of my car in his driveway. Issue stopped when we broke up. Never got an explanation."

• 55:53Speaker 01

  That is very strange.

• 55:54Kaelyn Moore?

  That's really weird if it's every time you go to one place, 911 calls you back and is like, "Did you just call us?"

• 56:00Speaker 01

  That makes me think it's the boyfriend in that situation, but...

• 56:03Kaelyn Moore?

  But sometimes it happened before I even got out of my car in his driveway. That is spooky, because that's, yeah. I mean, they take that stuff so seriously, too. If you ever accidentally call 911.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  I don't think, I'm trying to think if I ever have.

• 56:16Kaelyn Moore?

  Not in LA, because you call 911 in LA and you're like,

• 56:19Speaker 01

  Please hold.

• 56:21Kaelyn Moore?

  My friend, my friend's car got stolen downtown. And so we were like, okay, great, we'll call the non-emergency line. We were on hold for 90 minutes.

• 56:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:29Kaelyn Moore?

  She gets in, finally the officer-

• 56:30Speaker 01

  It's not an emergency.

• 56:31Kaelyn Moore?

  It's not an emergency. You're good. I mean, we just went and got a drink. So we're like, okay, whatever, we'll stay on hold. And finally, when an officer picked up, he was like, "Oh, do you have the information about the car?" And she gave him the information. He goes, "My system says it's not your car, so bye." Hangs up on her. And that was just a glitch in their system. Like, it just didn't work.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:48Kaelyn Moore?

  So, yeah, she got hung up on after 90 minutes of being on hold.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 56:51Kaelyn Moore?

  So clearly, this is not LA, where 911 was like, "Hey, did you call us?"

• 56:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:55Kaelyn Moore?

  Like, "We want to help."

• 56:57Kaelyn Moore?

  "We're here for you."

• 56:58Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I'm trying to think if I've ever accidentally, I don't think I have. Every now and then, like, on iPhones, like, you'll hit the thing where it's like, "Calling emergency service." Like, I don't know what buttons you press. If you accidentally, like, hold it in a certain way, it'll be like, "Sure, I'll call the emergency."

• 57:13Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah.

• 57:13Speaker 01

  "Don't do that, they're gonna arrest me and kill me."

• 57:16Kaelyn Moore?

  Or like, I feel like so many people have alarm systems now that just like trip and call authorities like right away. Like, I had that once where it was like, "My parents just got this alarm system for our house. We lived in the safest suburbs ever. I don't know why they did that." But so it was, we just set it off all the time. But one time I was home by myself and I set it off, and I scared myself so bad that I ran out of the house down the street and just kind of stood at the end of my street. And I'm like, "There's a serial killer in my basement." Like, I'm sure that's where the, it tripped the alarm. And no, I just opened the door and tripped it myself.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 57:47Kaelyn Moore?

  Didn't realize it. So I go back home, I like finally kind of calm down. I, again, I'm like in the sixth grade at this point, so I didn't have a cellphone, but I like turned the alarm off. I'm like, "Okay, I think I'm okay." And then like knock on the door.

• 57:59Speaker 01

  Oh, it was the police?

• 58:00Kaelyn Moore?

  "Hello?" And he's like, "So I heard, so like, uh, something tripped the alarm in here and like you didn't answer when they called you, so they called me to come check it out."

• 58:09Speaker 01

  Trick, though.

• 58:10Kaelyn Moore?

  Like, "What's going on?" And I hold, I'm, fake cops are like one of my biggest fears.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 58:14Kaelyn Moore?

  I'm scared that like a-

• 58:14Speaker 01

  Home Alone.

• 58:15Kaelyn Moore?

  Fake officer is always gonna come to my door. So I was like, "Oh, no, I think I set it off by myself, sorry." And he's like, "Okay, uh, have a good day." And then closes the door. I go back inside, all of a sudden, knock again. I'm like, "What is going on?" I open the door, it's the cop again. And he goes, "You didn't happen to be drinking alcohol in here, were you?"

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Oh, come on.

• 58:35Kaelyn Moore?

  And I was like-

• 58:36Speaker 01

  Were you like, "I'm in sixth grade, sir."

• 58:37Kaelyn Moore?

  I was like, "I'm a sixth grader, I'm 11, no." And he was like, "Well, why is there a shotgun beer in your driveway?" And he like opens the door more, "And there's a shotgun beer in my driveway." And I was like, "Oh, I don't know." So then I start freaking out that like-

• 58:51Speaker 01

  Maybe someone was there.

• 58:52Kaelyn Moore?

  A serial killer was like in my, like shotgunned a beer and then came into my house to kill me or something. Like, was getting himself all rubbed up in my driveway to come in and kill me. So then I'm like really freaking out. No, it turns out my dad, because he explained this when he got home, my dad had this like six pack of beer that had a coupon on the side. So he was trying to cut the coupon out of the box and he stabbed one of the beers. So he had to like run out into the driveway, like throw it into the driveway. And then he just like left. So it just looked like I had shotgunned a beer in my driveway, I guess, to this cop. But, uh, he was really mad at me and I was only like 11 years old.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  You were fully home alone at that point?

• 59:27Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah. Yeah, because even my younger sibling wasn't there. So it was just me.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  Have you ever seen the beginning of, I think it's the second, When a Stranger Calls, When a Stranger Calls Back?

• 59:37Kaelyn Moore?

  No, not the second, I haven't, I don't think I've seen the second one.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  I haven't seen the whole second one, but a lot of people agree that the opening of the second one is scarier. It's like truly one of the scariest scenes.

• 59:47Kaelyn Moore?

  It's like the same thing of-

• 59:48Speaker 01

  Kinda, but they're like at the front door. It's, it's really freaky.

• 59:52Kaelyn Moore?

  I, that stuff scares me so much. Even when I'm, now to this day, if I'm home alone, I still get like,

• 59:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:58Kaelyn Moore?

  "Is there someone outside just watching me?" I don't know. Well, that's all I have for you today.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  We've run the gamut.

• 1:00:05Kaelyn Moore?

  We've run the gamut. Oh, I actually, I do have a present for you.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  Oh, real? What do you got?

• 1:00:08Kaelyn Moore?

  I have this for you.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:00:10Kaelyn Moore?

  So it says RDS because we call our community the Rogue Detecting Society. And inside you'll find our little Jinx Plush that we have. I'm really proud of them. I actually love the duster bag, too. I thought they did a really good job with those.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:00:25Kaelyn Moore?

  So we have these little ghosts, so now you can always say you have a ghost in your house.

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  Oh, look at him. Or her, it's, or them, it's a ghost.

• 1:00:31Kaelyn Moore?

  It's kind of like an it.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, look at that, thank you.

• 1:00:34Kaelyn Moore?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  Now I can take it on our ghost hunts.

• 1:00:38Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes, it's like a flat Stanley.

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  And when we don't find anything, I can throw it at Ryan Burgara. Like a little dog trip.

• 1:00:44Kaelyn Moore?

  You got ghosted.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  You did it.

• 1:00:45Kaelyn Moore?

  Whip it at him. No, thank you so much for coming. Um, truly, truly, this was such a pleasure to do. I think I've convinced, we can all agree that I've convinced you ghosts are real.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:00:55Kaelyn Moore?

  You're a believer now.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  You've heard it here first.

• 1:00:57Kaelyn Moore?

  First person to convince you with Reddit stories. But yeah, where can everyone find you guys?

• 1:01:02Speaker 01

  We are posting monthly ghost hunts on Ghost Files and Mystery Files over on Watcher on YouTube. We've got, uh, some fun ones coming up, up the coast, up the Pacific coast.

• 1:01:14Kaelyn Moore?

  So fun.

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  We go into the, the Shanghai tunnels-

• 1:01:18Kaelyn Moore?

  Whoa.

• 1:01:18Speaker 01

  -in Portland.

• 1:01:19Kaelyn Moore?

  What are those?

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  It used to like, you would go to drink at a, a bar in Portland and like a trap door would open and they'd recruit you into the Navy, basically.

• 1:01:28Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, wow. Oh, that's not what I was expecting.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  They'd put you on a ship. So there's all these underground tunnels under Portland that are very cool.

• 1:01:34Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, cool.

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  And then we went up to Seattle. So we're, we just have a bunch coming up there. And then, you know, we're, we're all over town ghost hunting.

• 1:01:41Kaelyn Moore?

  Amazing.

• 1:01:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, very fun. And I've got a new podcast with, uh, my dear friend, Matt Rial, called Quizard' Pit.

• 1:01:48Kaelyn Moore?

  Quizzards.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Which is a very high concept podcast where we get sucked into a space pit by a wizard who demands that we feed him interesting facts about a given topic.

• 1:01:59Kaelyn Moore?

  Oh, I love that.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  It's very fun. If you're ever down, we'd love to have you in the pit.

• 1:02:03Kaelyn Moore?

  I would love to. That actually sounds amazing, right up my alley.

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  But thank you for having us, it was great.

• 1:02:08Kaelyn Moore?

  Yes, okay, well, we will see you guys next time. Bye, everyone. Heart Starts Pounding is written and produced by me, Kayla Moore. Our associate producer is Juno Hobbs. Heart Starts Pounding is also produced by Matt Brown. Sound design and mix by Red Rome Creative. Video editing by Creative Step. Special thanks to Travis Dunlap, Grayson Jordan again, the team at WME. Have a heart pounding story or a case request, check out heartstarts pounding.com. This episode is brought to you by our partner, Vistaprint. If you run a small business, you know that there's a moment where you go from just doing the thing you love to realizing you need stuff, like physical stuff. Custom merch for an event, branded apparel for your team, business cards that actually look professional. That was definitely me with Heart Starts Pounding. What started as a podcast I made in my closet

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• 1:03:38Kaelyn Moore?

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