Skyler Gisondo

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  So I sent in that tape fully thinking this is for Superman.

• 0:03Josh Horowitz?

  So if I look at that tape, do I get Superman vibes? Like, are you?

• 0:07Speaker 00

  Apparently not.

• 0:11Speaker 02

  Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins.

• 0:18Josh Horowitz?

  Hey, guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Infused. Today on the show, we have Skyler Jazondo in the house. First time guest on the pod, someone that has only done one other podcast before. I'll take that any day of the week. He's talking about Primetime, his new film with Robert Pattinson and so much more. Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out the podcast. Remember, subscribe if you haven't already on YouTube, on Spotify, on any podcast platform you like. I don't care. Just subscribe, guys. Check out what we're doing over here. I'm so thrilled to have Skyler on the show today. He has been crafting a remarkable career in recent years. Look, he is, of course, Jimmy Olsen. We talk about Superman, Man of Tomorrow, and yes, he has his own spinoff show

• 1:00Josh Horowitz?

  facing off against Gorilla Grodd, which I'm very excited about. They've been shooting it lately. We talk about that. He's in Focker in Law, opposite Ariana Grande and Robert De Niro and Ben Stiller. He's in the new Shrek movie. Very busy guy. And of course, this new film, Primetime, which is a change of pace for Skyler. This is a full-on drama. This tells the story of Chris Hansen. Yes, it is based on the events of To Catch a Predator. And Skyler is kind of the secret weapon of this film, kind of a co-lead. I don't want to ruin too much. But as the story progresses, it really becomes as much Skyler's film as it is Robert Pattinson's. And he is fantastic in it. I'm so happy to support him, support the film,

• 1:41Josh Horowitz?

  and just talk about his crazy career. That's, that's just like, really just been reaping great rewards for him. And I think we're getting him at a really cool time in his career and life. And as you'll see and hear from the conversation, just a fun guy to talk to. So I was really happy to connect with him today. And I think you guys are going to really dig this one. Here is me and Skyler Jazondo. Enjoy.

• 2:03Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, man. You ready for this, Skyler?

• 2:05Speaker 00

  I'm ready.

• 2:05Josh Horowitz?

  Are you, though?

• 2:06Speaker 00

  I think so.

• 2:07Josh Horowitz?

  Skyler, welcome to the podcast.

• 2:08Speaker 00

  Thanks so much for having me, man.

• 2:10Josh Horowitz?

  I'm very excited to have you here. You are, you're absolutely killing it. There's a thousand things to talk about. Hard G or soft G, first of all, in the last name?

• 2:17Speaker 00

  Soft G. Thanks for asking.

• 2:18Josh Horowitz?

  Soft G. It's also like a good, like,

• 2:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, soft G.

• 2:22Josh Horowitz?

  Soft G. That's a good, like,

• 2:23Speaker 00

  It's a good nickname.

• 2:24Josh Horowitz?

  It's a good, like, rapper name.

• 2:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:25Josh Horowitz?

  You want to pursue that route.

• 2:28Speaker 00

  My manager came up with my rapper name recently. Accidentally, Sky Priority.

• 2:33Josh Horowitz?

  Yes, greenlit.

• 2:34Speaker 00

  With, and then I pitched the dollar sign for the S.

• 2:37Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 2:37Speaker 00

  Sky Priority, just, just floating that.

• 2:40Josh Horowitz?

  Just test run here today. Hashtag Sky Priority.

• 2:43Speaker 00

  It's also not a cool way to launch a rapper. I got a real cool new rapper.

• 2:49Josh Horowitz?

  Famous rappers have launched their careers on Happy, Sad, Confused before, so you're the next in the line. Do you, do you rap? Have you, do you sing? Are you a?

• 2:57Speaker 00

  I've had to, under duress. I mean, in,

• 3:00Josh Horowitz?

  Primetime, there's some singing.

• 3:01Speaker 00

  There's some singing. It's helpful when it's, uh, that kind of singing where it's like, it's, it's, there's sort of like a specificity to it, like I'm a Broadway-ish, you know, I want, I want to, so it's like,

• 3:12Josh Horowitz?

  Through a character, through a,

• 3:13Speaker 00

  Singing as a character, you feel so safe.

• 3:15Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 3:15Speaker 00

  Singing me?

• 3:17Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 3:17Speaker 00

  Probably not.

• 3:18Josh Horowitz?

  No?

• 3:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:19Josh Horowitz?

  You don't want to start something worse. It's like 8:30 in the morning. Do you want to sing for us right now? Just sing for your supper?

• 3:24Speaker 00

  It's like 45 minutes of vocal warmups. I could tell we'd be out of time by the end.

• 3:28Josh Horowitz?

  Do you do vocal warmups?

• 3:30Speaker 00

  Most morning, yeah.

• 3:31Josh Horowitz?

  Do you really?

• 3:31Speaker 00

  No, oh, no, no, I did. I did, um, for during Primetime because I kind of like, my voice is sort of up a register.

• 3:38Josh Horowitz?

  Yes.

• 3:39Speaker 00

  And so I found like, I wanted to get like, out of that and into the higher thing. But usually, no, but I'd be down to start.

• 3:46Josh Horowitz?

  It's not a prerequisite to be on the podcast. Don't worry. Just good work, which you are achieving. Okay, so you're here, first and foremost, for Primetime, which, I mean, folks that listen or watch this podcast, probably this is very high on their radar because this is Lance Oppenheim. This is based, you know, loosely or not so loosely on To Catch a Predator, Chris Hansen, the whole craziness. And, um, it's obviously you and Robert Pattinson and, um, everybody's in for a treat for this because like, Rob kills it. But you're also kind of like, you're kind of the secret weapon of this, Skyler. Like, you really are amazing in this.

• 4:18Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 4:20Josh Horowitz?

  Talk to me a little bit. First, just, we'll get to the production, but you recently were in Venice for the big world premiere.

• 4:26Speaker 00

  That's so cool.

• 4:27Josh Horowitz?

  So you've done some cool things, but that's a unique experience?

• 4:30Speaker 00

  Totally, totally. It is, dude, it was just one, like, moment to moment. The, the entire day was just one enormous out-of-body experience. It was like, you know, uh, that, it's such a, everywhere you're stepping, you're, it's such, it's so iconic. You have all these images in your head of like, all the people who have stood there and like, the press and the energy there, man. It, it, it's just unlike any other. It just feels like you're in like, the epicenter of cool. This is the coolest possible.

• 4:56Josh Horowitz?

  You're in someone else's dream. Like, this isn't real. Are you also like, how, I always like to ask about the famous standing O's. How awkward was the standing ovation?

• 5:04Speaker 00

  Dude, it's so awkward. I don't know.

• 5:07Josh Horowitz?

  Famously, okay, this is a scene for those that don't know, the standing O's at Venice go on and on and on, which is great.

• 5:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, awesome.

• 5:14Josh Horowitz?

  But like, if you do the math, standing ov- like, standing up for more than 30 seconds starts to feel weird, let alone like 10 minutes.

• 5:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, right. And you, you, which I didn't realize, like, you're also kind of clapping back at them. So you feel psychotic. You're just like, looking, you're there looking at you, you're looking at them. And then I just kept asking Rob, like, how much, like, do we keep going? He's like, you just keep going. And then let, dude, I, I'm so glad I, I don't, I shouldn't draw attention to it. But Lance was like, Lance was like, okay, bow, bow, Sky, bow. And I was like, no, what, solo bow? And he's like, yeah, they want bow. And I, there's, everyone's like, And I was like, Lance is like, tell me about, so I was like, okay. And then I did it, and then I like, ejected immediately. So there's a moment where I'm just like, and thankfully it didn't catch now, it's fine.

• 5:59Josh Horowitz?

  Now, now we're going to go back to the tape and really analyze it.

• 6:02Speaker 00

  But there's a very regrettable moment where I kind of like, and also to acknowledge, just to do a solo bow.

• 6:09Josh Horowitz?

  Did you curtsy too? Did you just do a little?

• 6:11Speaker 00

  That would have been better. That would, but then we did the group bow, which felt,

• 6:14Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 6:15Speaker 00

  But you clap, you clap, you clap. And then eventually, you know, thankfully, everyone does stop and it's over.

• 6:24Speaker 00

  And then you're like, why'd you guys stop, man?

• 6:26Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, no, wait, come on, more. I'm an actor. I need this. I feed off of you. But look, this is a big moment. There are a lot of things to talk about. But like, this film stands out. This is obviously a moment for you, like a different kind of a role that we haven't seen you in, certainly, a different kind of a film. Did it feel like, I don't know, does it feel like a marker kind of for you in a career?

• 6:44Speaker 00

  Totally. Thanks, man. I, yeah, it felt, um, it was certainly the, when Lance and I first spoke about it, I said to him, I was like, I don't know what you've seen of mine that makes you think I can do that. Like, if I was you, man, I would not.

• 6:56Josh Horowitz?

  The Air Bud movies. He was like, he was like,

• 6:59Speaker 00

  Dude, I saw Spooky Buddies specifically, and you're revelatory is what, how I felt about. But so, yeah, going into it, I, which is not, I'd heard actors talk about like, wanting to do stuff that scared them or something. And I never got that. I was like, why would you want to be scared? Wouldn't you want to know? It's going to go well and like,

• 7:18Josh Horowitz?

  Life is scary enough. I don't want to scare myself.

• 7:20Speaker 00

  There's enough. And so this was the first time where, you know, I, I was, it was, I could not believe Lance wanted, it was going to happen. But I was terrified. I, there was like, reading the script, there was things that I just like, I didn't know if I could do it, how I would do it, how it would go. And so it was this incredibly formative experience. And also in that, like, we all became, Lance is so young, David Boal and his cinematographers, young, Will, a lot of our producers, it felt like there was no adults on set. All like, that was like, a bunch of kids making a movie. And so it was, Lance is so collaborative. And, uh, it just was this, uh, very sort of like, it was the most challenging thing I've ever done. It was the most like, uh, but I started to, and I felt inspired by Rob in that way.

• 8:02Speaker 00

  Like, he, Lance has said that he like, jumps off a cliff every take. And, um, when you're working with an actor who's like, that dynamic, like, you let go of,

• 8:12Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 8:12Speaker 00

  the idea that you know what it's going to be or where it's going to go. And you start to get more comfortable, like, operating in that uncertainty. And I found a real joy, I think, in that uncertainty.

• 8:23Josh Horowitz?

  Kind of inspirational. I mean, yeah, I, I've talked about Rob so much on this podcast over the years.

• 8:27Speaker 00

  He's the great, he's the goat, and he's the great.

• 8:29Josh Horowitz?

  And, and people might be like, tired of me saying it because I go back to the Twilight days and I covered Twilight so damn much.

• 8:38Speaker 00

  As, as you should.

• 8:39Josh Horowitz?

  I was at MTV covering Twilight. As you can imagine, we did a lot.

• 8:43Josh Horowitz?

  And to see what he has done with his career, like, I'll be honest, I don't, I did not have this on my bingo card. He put in the work.

• 8:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:49Josh Horowitz?

  He really did. And where he's at right now, taking the risks that he does, working with the coolest filmmakers, it's an inspiration to me as just a film lover. And it sounds like to you as just like a screen partner to see what he's doing in a scene.

• 9:02Speaker 00

  Totally, dude. He puts it all on the line. He takes the biggest swings. He works with, like you said, such interesting filmmakers early in their careers. You know, before you've really seen, like Lance had done, his doc stuff is unbelievable, you know? But he had not done a narrative, he had not done something. And so when you're Rob and you are where he is in his career, to just be like, I like you, I like you, let's go, let's do this. It's, uh, it's, it's amazing, man. Yeah, truly. It, uh, and he's so, there's very few actor, I think most of us are like, turning up and down the dials on different parts of ourselves. And there's a very select few who really shapeshift and kind of, uh, just go somewhere completely new every time. And yeah, totally inspirational dude to work with.

• 9:43Josh Horowitz?

  So this character that you play within the narrative is, it's kind of interesting. There's a bit of a meta quality. He's, he's, he's a struggling actor that's like, willing to like, kind of, I don't know, I don't want to like spoil anything, but kind of like, sell his soul a little bit, go to really extreme lengths for this chance at some degree of success.

• 10:04Josh Horowitz?

  I don't know, are there points of any connection that you make to Dan as a, as an actor in this?

• 10:08Speaker 00

  Totally, dude. In the like, uh, you know, acting is humiliating, honestly.

• 10:13Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 10:15Speaker 00

  It's, it's very embarrassing. It's this very vulnerable thing. And, uh, I was fortunate in that, like, I started young enough. I was like, six years old when I started. And so by the time you start to get to that age, like 12, 13, 14, where you're developing a sense of like, self-consciousness, I had like, a resume or something. So with that, I kind of had this like, You know, I, I, I sort of was like, oh, this is what I do. I didn't have too much time to think about like, this is crazy, but, but then still those, the things I connected with the most are like, just that eagerness and that kind of like, you know, walking into a room and like, you know, the audition's on Friday, you got sent the material on Monday. It's all you've been thinking about all week. You want, and, and you know, like, everything could change everything. Like, that's every role, like,

• 10:58Speaker 00

  every, every week after week after week, it's like, oh dude, this is the thing that could, and so that sense of like, you know, wanting something so badly and feeling so far from it. And then two in his like, awe of Chris, you know, like I having, when I, especially when I was younger, getting to work with people who you're just like, you know, they're 10 feet tall and, and you can't believe that like, you just want to soak in everything and like, so certainly there was a ton, there was a ton that uh, was there.

• 11:25Josh Horowitz?

  So do you still feel, cause I have this conversation a lot with actors about how silly it all is in the end and how silly you can feel.

• 11:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:31Josh Horowitz?

  If you can't, like silencing the part of your brain that's like, I look like an idiot. Like in a different context, if you take the cameras away, what the fuck am I doing? I look like a mad person.

• 11:41Speaker 00

  So it's dude, it's a really, uh, I'm humbled all the time by like, anytime you see a take, uh, that they didn't use or like what it's just,

• 11:50Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 11:50Speaker 00

  It's like acting really is 95% directing, writing, editing, you know, everything, everything comes together, the costume, the hair, the makeup to create this thing that's so much greater. And then the sum of its parts, the whole of its parts, great, some, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. And I think that, um, yeah, you have this idea in your head that like, uh,

• 12:10Speaker 00

  I, the, the past like year or so, I've been a part of a couple of projects where I was cast and then other, we had to find other actors. So I was coming into chemistry read with people. And so having that experience for the first time, I remember thinking for so many years when I was auditioning for things, man, if I go in there and I'm like undeniable, you know, I can do it. Like I just gotta show them I can do it.

• 12:29Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 12:29Speaker 00

  And then you wouldn't get it. And then being on this side of it, you see actor after actor come in and they're all great.

• 12:34Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 12:34Speaker 00

  And everybody is just different and there's no like right or wrong. It's sort of like whatever makes sense for this, whatever we need for this. And no one person is really capable of giving the performance the other person is giving. So I think you start, I just started to, yeah, you start to let go of like, whenever you're acting, there's going to be a lot that's really bad. And from the cert, from, from the wrong angle, even something that looks cool here, it might look really dumb there. And it's really a magic trick. It's like this highly technical thing. And so you're very dependent upon all of these other people to kind of lift you up.

• 13:04Josh Horowitz?

  It's the, it's the key to also find the right collaborators and the director that's going to protect you in the edits. Cause like every actor's been burned and been like taken, taken a chance and then seen the final cut and be like, yeah, you used that.

• 13:14Speaker 00

  So dude, that I literally said this to Lance the other day, inevitably, whenever you watch anything, you're like, that, that's a take or this, that. But then with Lance, it, it is dude, the opposite to the degree that I'm like, when did I do that? Like, how'd you, how did he, he's the way he sees things, the way David Boland sees things, his cinematographer, like, I have never, uh, it's such a privilege to get to like, I said to Boland, like, I was looking at the monitor. It was like, dude, every frame you set up is like a painting.

• 13:40Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 13:40Speaker 00

  And to get to step into that world.

• 13:42Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 13:43Speaker 00

  It's like amazing.

• 13:44Josh Horowitz?

  It's also cool. Like I always, I'm fascinated when like a filmmaker, he can go from the doc side to the narrative side, like Lance's, we were just talking. He's, he's killing it right now. I got a chance to see the Nathan Fielder doc, which he also directed.

• 13:54Speaker 00

  I'm so jealous.

• 13:55Josh Horowitz?

  You're gonna fucking die.

• 13:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:57Josh Horowitz?

  Um, but did, did that bring, I mean, could you sense like a different kind of approach to filmmaking because of the doc pedigree?

• 14:05Speaker 00

  Big time. Yeah. Lance, like, it's so alive with him. He really operates in that place of like, um, I don't, I don't know that he really had, he, he has a shot list, but him and David, who he's worked with for many years, like, they are so comfortable operating from a place of uncertainty and, and going like, it's very, it was very exciting. It was all, it results in this process where it feels like anything could happen.

• 14:28Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 14:28Speaker 00

  And, um, things can change very quickly. Whatever's working and like, going to that, going away from something, rewriting something. And also it's like best idea wins. They have no like, Lance is the most egoless. There, there's no, he could have spent a year thinking about something, but the second something else pops up, he's like, let's go with that. I like that. And yeah, things felt so alive all of the time.

• 14:49Josh Horowitz?

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• 16:43Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, the nature of, for those that, I mean, I watched To Catch a Predator back in the day. I'm sure many people did, like the nature of this character you're playing, this, this guy is like, the acting required, it's, it's these real world circumstances he's putting himself in, which is kind of fascinating.

• 16:57Speaker 00

  Right.

• 16:57Josh Horowitz?

  Are you the type of actor, like, have you ever brought a character out into the real world? Like, are you like going to Starbucks as Jimmy Olsen, just to see like, if it works, like?

• 17:07Speaker 00

  You know, I did, I did something recently, just this small thing where I was, I was in like, uh, I had like neck tattoos, neck tattoo and like a fake beard.

• 17:15Josh Horowitz?

  Oh.

• 17:16Speaker 00

  And so it looked, I just looked like a man. I just looked like a hard man. And then me and my castmates.

• 17:20Josh Horowitz?

  That's how you normally look. This is the mask.

• 17:22Speaker 00

  In an alternate universe that I felt, and then two of my castmates who also had the same look, we had like half an hour off and we went to this In-N-Out down the road. And I never, I never felt more respected in my life. And I put like, I was like, man, this is what it feels like to like, this is amazing. So that was like, like to think took a character out in the world, but ultimately no, I would feel too, I feel like that requires such confidence. I, I, I don't know that I could, uh, I would like, you know, on set for primetime, oftentimes just cause like Dan was in like this very isolated place or, uh, just some dark kind of thing. We're having so much fun and we'd all become such good friends. I had to like remove myself from that.

• 18:04Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 18:04Speaker 00

  So you kind of, you have like the dark cloud over your head and you're kind of like holding off to yourself, but as far as taking it.

• 18:10Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 18:10Speaker 00

  Not yet.

• 18:11Josh Horowitz?

  I'm excited for your, your, your neck tattoo beard phase as you, not, not the character, just as a real person.

• 18:16Speaker 00

  In life. Thank you. Thank you, man.

• 18:17Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, you're 30 now.

• 18:18Speaker 00

  I'm young. I still can't, yeah. My dad always told me he couldn't grow a beard until he was 30. And I recently turned 30.

• 18:25Josh Horowitz?

  Have you ever tried to grow a beard?

• 18:26Speaker 00

  Still waiting, you know?

• 18:27Josh Horowitz?

  By the end of this interview, it's going to pop in.

• 18:29Speaker 00

  Something happens that's not, it's not good, you know, and it's not really a beard, but something does happen.

• 18:35Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, something's happening.

• 18:35Speaker 00

  But maybe 40, maybe like.

• 18:37Josh Horowitz?

  What is your, because it is interesting, kind of ties into the film. Look, you're playing a guy who's playing younger.

• 18:42Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 18:42Josh Horowitz?

  Right?

• 18:43Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 18:43Josh Horowitz?

  And you have a very youthful disposition. Like, are you, and you are 30 now, like, are, have you kind of like, when's the last time you got offered a teenager role? Like, do you still kind of like, do people assume you're younger than you are? And is that, that's an asset, but it's also something to negotiate?

• 18:58Speaker 00

  Totally. Yeah. I think, I remember being like, I remember maybe I was like 25 and I said to my reps, I was like, whatever the next thing is like, I don't think I could wear a backpack again. I was like, maybe, maybe no more, or no more graphic tees, you know, with like a hoodie over it.

• 19:14Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 19:14Speaker 00

  Where I'm in a hallway somewhere.

• 19:16Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. For some actors, it's like no nudity. For you, it's like, I just can't do a graphic tee.

• 19:19Speaker 00

  Not another Jan sport. Yeah. Please, please no more. Um, but no, dude, definitely. And I think it's been, um, yeah, I know like in Fongers, I play like a fiance.

• 19:29Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 19:29Speaker 00

  And that was like, I was like, oh, cool.

• 19:33Josh Horowitz?

  I'm of age enough to get married to another human being.

• 19:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, totally. I felt when I was like, this is crazy, fiance, but I'm like, this is very age appropriate and reasonable. Um, but yeah, I think that's always been a theme and, uh, I, yeah, it's been like, I, the last couple of years, it seems to have like, there's been a

• 19:47Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 19:47Speaker 00

  shift towards more mature stuff, maybe.

• 19:49Josh Horowitz?

  Totally, totally. All right. So let's go back a little bit if you'll indulge me. So, so growing up, extrovert, introvert, what do friends, family say about young Skyler? How would they describe you?

• 19:59Speaker 00

  Uh, an extrovert to the nth degree, just like a maniac. Yeah. My poor family, my poor, uh, I, I don't know why, we didn't really have any like connective tissue to the film industry or anything. Um, so I don't know why I like had from, I, I, I had this idea in my head that I wanted to be in movies. I would watch the same things over and over and I would beg my mom to like, let me be on TV, whatever that meant.

• 20:22Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 20:23Speaker 00

  And, uh, I would like, I had two older sisters and they would, um, thankfully like humor me and, uh, I would like make us dress up and do like, Plays, I like West Side Story a lot, so I would like-

• 20:34Josh Horowitz?

  I've heard this, I've heard you reference often West Side Story and Happy Gilmore.

• 20:37Speaker 00

  Those were the two movies-

• 20:38Josh Horowitz?

  That's not the usual double feature people go to.

• 20:40Speaker 00

  I don't know, West Side Story, I don't know why I fixated on these two things. Happy Gilmore, my uncle showed me, while he was watching me while my parents were out of town. My mom was not pleased because they're, yeah, she felt that was not appropriate.

• 20:50Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 20:50Speaker 00

  Um, but so, yeah, young, from an early age, very, uh, we would go to like, when we first came to LA, we were walking around, I was like six or seven, and in Santa Monica, uh, all of like, on the promenade, all of the, I would just like put a hat down and start like dancing to-

• 21:06Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 21:07Speaker 00

  -other people's music.

• 21:08Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 21:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't, dude, I don't know what was going on.

• 21:10Josh Horowitz?

  Do you still do that if you just like, if the beat gets intense?

• 21:13Speaker 00

  During the strike, actually, yeah. It was, uh, yeah, I hit the promenade and, uh, yeah.

• 21:18Josh Horowitz?

  Wait, what was your go-to move at six or seven on the promenade? What were you doing?

• 21:22Speaker 00

  I don't know that I physically could do the go-to move anymore. I don't know that there was a go-to move as much as just-

• 21:27Josh Horowitz?

  You just felt the, in your body, you just let the body move.

• 21:30Speaker 00

  Let the body, let the body. She would take me to, uh, this place, Millennium, where I would take hip-hop. I loved it. I was like, I want to go to Millennium, and then there was a-

• 21:39Josh Horowitz?

  Sounds like a club.

• 21:40Speaker 00

  Dude, it kind of was. It was like very like, it was very cool, like a lot of real dancers went there and-

• 21:44Josh Horowitz?

  Was it cool?

• 21:46Speaker 00

  It's probably not for me to say, if I was in-

• 21:49Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, I'm sorry, I don't know why, why I'm bashing Millennium.

• 21:51Speaker 00

  No, hold me accountable, I appreciate it, it's your job. But there was the kids' area, and then there was, uh, the dome, where like the real like adults dance, like backup dancers were coming. And I was like, um, these kids can't hang with me, I gotta get to the dome. And so she took me to the dome, and I, dude, I don't know why they let me do any of this. I was like seven, just popping it in the dome.

• 22:10Josh Horowitz?

  Popping it at the dome.

• 22:11Speaker 00

  I think that's what they called it.

• 22:12Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, it's a euphemism for something nowadays, I don't know what it means.

• 22:17Speaker 00

  But to answer your question, that was, yeah, I just loved it. I loved, I always, I don't know why.

• 22:23Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. Did you get in on either audition or up for other Happy Gilmore sequel or the West Side Story reboot?

• 22:29Speaker 00

  Neither.

• 22:29Josh Horowitz?

  What?

• 22:30Speaker 00

  What the hell?

• 22:31Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, can you believe that? I know, hopefully there'll be more, yeah. There'll be more. I'm sure they'll do another West Side Story movie, a sequel at some point. Everybody ends up totally fine at the end of that movie.

• 22:39Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 22:40Josh Horowitz?

  So, what do you remember about the early audition days? Like, I mean, rejection is hard for an adult, how is rejection for a seven or eight-year-old, or were you?

• 22:49Speaker 00

  Part of the gift of starting young is the rejections lost on you.

• 22:52Josh Horowitz?

  Really?

• 22:52Speaker 00

  There's not a sense of like, yeah, it doesn't hurt, you know, you don't have a sense of the stakes, you're just bopping around from room to room and like, I think the early days were great, because it would be, you'd show up and it was just cattle calls, like you'd show up to a commercial, there'd be a hundred kids there, they'd want to find the kid that day.

• 23:06Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 23:07Speaker 00

  So you'd be, it was, but I loved, um, I just loved it. Uh, and there were so many, and also when you're younger, there's so many things to audition for, when you're kind of auditioning for everything, so like every day was sort of go, go, go. I don't remember ever feeling dejected, or like, there was things I really wanted that I'd be bummed I didn't get, but it was always just like, on to the next one.

• 23:26Josh Horowitz?

  Did you have like a type? Was there like, oh, this is like, this is your wheelhouse, like?

• 23:32Speaker 00

  It's a good question. I don't know, like, I did all the, you know, I did like the, when I was younger, the guest, like all the procedurals and all of the, you kind of do the rounds, you know, like-

• 23:41Josh Horowitz?

  You did the cold case, the monk, I saw that.

• 23:43Speaker 00

  Yes, dude, the monk, Strong Medicine, ER, like all of those kinds of, uh, I guess as I got a little bit older, the archetype was like, it seemed to be this thing that was working was just this like overly earnest-

• 23:54Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 23:55Speaker 00

  Sort of like, you know, well-intentioned, do we be dude kind of thing.

• 23:59Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 24:00Speaker 00

  Uh, that like seemed to be what was working, but you also don't really have an awareness of like, what, what's wor- I think especially at that age, you're not aware of like, perception or how you're coming off, you're kind of just like-

• 24:10Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 24:10Speaker 00

  It's why it's so, you know, it's, kids are just so free, it's why, it's, you know, you're just sort of like being you, you're not really thinking about that much.

• 24:17Josh Horowitz?

  Do you think about a transition point of like where it kind of went from just behavior, like being yourself, to like, putting some craft into it and kind of like thinking about it more intellectually as an actor?

• 24:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, great question. I think there was a few like formative, I think, um, when I was seventeen, doing Night at the Museum with, uh, was enormously formative. I, it was my first time being like, a big part of a very big movie, and, um, you know, Ben Stiller was like, just such a hero of mine, and seeing the way that he worked, like, he, you know, how methodically he worked, how precise it was, how much of like, it, it was, it really like, uh, I think set something in motion for me of like, I had been, because I, I never really formally studied or trained or anything, it was sort of like learning on the job, learning from people. And so seeing Ben at that age, at that time, I was like, oh dude, this is what it takes, like this is what it looks like, this is what you have to like, you know, um-

• 25:11Josh Horowitz?

  And then something like Night at the Museum, it's like, you know, you would think it was like, oh, you just show up and you just do-

• 25:15Speaker 00

  And the third movie, right, and it's also like he's, he's playing kind of an everyman, so he could, and many actors would, and, and still be great, just sort of like, show up and do it, and he was, he cared so deeply, and it, and everything mattered a lot, and it's like, it should do, like people, this is a big movie, like there's a lot of money on the line, like this is a huge, just the, you know, the idea of like, being worthy of the opportunity and like earning it and working for, and, and so that really, uh, that's why it was so cool to get to work with him again, because it had been this like, you know, I, those waves kind of like, and then, yeah, every job you kind of like, a little bit rubs off on you. Booksmart was a really big, you know, at twenty-two, like, Olivia, uh,

• 25:58Speaker 00

  that was, I feel like so much of acting is just confidence, you know, like, having the confidence to try things, to sort of like, be comfortable not knowing, you know, what you're gonna, being confident enough to fail, and- and Olivia like gave us so much room to run, and to be that young, and to be told like, you know, I want you to just go, go for it, like I want you to do this and that, and like, it was the first time I felt like, that was sort of, yeah, that was a very kind of, uh, formative experience in that way of like, it, there was, it, it started this fire in me of like, oh, I love this, that was so, it was like this joyous thing, making that movie. I remember thinking like, this feeling, like I want, I want to chase this.

• 26:37Josh Horowitz?

  What, what was the feeling you got out of working on the Air Bud films that inspired you as an actor?

• 26:42Speaker 00

  Oh dude, well those were dark, you know, that was like, everybody was really in, uh, I was committed, you know, I lived, I built the house actually that my character lived in, uh, I was lived there for a few months on the property, I had-

• 26:54Josh Horowitz?

  How many Air Bud movies did you do? Can you rank them for me? What's the top, what should I start with? What should I go?

• 26:59Speaker 00

  Well, there's Air Buddies.

• 27:00Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 27:01Speaker 00

  Classic.

• 27:02Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, obviously, I'm not gonna, no shade, like-

• 27:04Speaker 00

  Snow Buddies, Space Buddies.

• 27:06Josh Horowitz?

  Spooky Buddies.

• 27:07Speaker 00

  Spooky Buddies, Treasure Buddies.

• 27:09Josh Horowitz?

  Yep.

• 27:09Speaker 00

  Santa Buddies. And in the, in one of the movies, and I, again, I don't know why I'm talking about things that I hope people don't want to go back to, but I, in one of the movies, I think it's Spooky Buddies, I'm the voice of B-Dog, and I'm the main live-action kid.

• 27:25Josh Horowitz?

  Oh.

• 27:25Speaker 00

  Who is B-Dog's owner. And I didn't have like, the tools to like, I was like ten, I wasn't changing my voice. It's just me being like, what do you want to do today, B-Dog?

• 27:35Josh Horowitz?

  Well-

• 27:35Speaker 00

  And then it's B-Dog being like, whatever you think.

• 27:38Josh Horowitz?

  That's fucked up.

• 27:39Speaker 00

  I don't know, the lack of oversight, dude, I don't know, but it worked, I guess.

• 27:43Josh Horowitz?

  That probably broke some kid's brains.

• 27:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:45Josh Horowitz?

  Why is B-Dog talking to-

• 27:48Speaker 00

  I've always thought that, I always knew something was off.

• 27:52Josh Horowitz?

  Wow. So I should start with, which-

• 27:54Speaker 00

  Oh, sorry, um, uh, you know what? I think Spooky Buddies, uh, I think we found, we, our groove on Spooky Buddies.

• 28:02Josh Horowitz?

  I like how like you started staring off into space, you like went somewhere else when you were thinking about it.

• 28:06Speaker 00

  Remember, dude, I can't, yeah, oh my god.

• 28:10Josh Horowitz?

  More Happy Say Confused coming up.

• 28:17Josh Horowitz?

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• 28:54Speaker 05

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• 29:01Josh Horowitz?

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• 29:17Speaker 06

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• 29:46Josh Horowitz?

  So you've done every kind of like acting, it seems like that you do the the sitcom, Bill Engvall Show, and it's like Jennifer Lawrence also on that show.

• 29:55Speaker 00

  Crazy.

• 29:55Josh Horowitz?

  That's crazy to think about. What do you remember about working with Jennifer, who is, I mean, I've done a lot with, I'm obsessed with her.

• 30:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:04Josh Horowitz?

  Singular soul.

• 30:05Speaker 00

  It was, I mean, that show was like the last of a sort of dying breed of like, you know, live act, multi cam, thank you, multi cam, live audience.

• 30:14Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 30:14Speaker 00

  And so being, you know, nine years old and like live, it was so much fun. We, I lived for the Friday nights. And it was, it's so crazy because I think Jen, she did, I think it was like between seasons two and three that she did.

• 30:28Josh Horowitz?

  Like Winter's Bone?

• 30:29Speaker 00

  Winter's Bone.

• 30:30Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 30:30Speaker 00

  Crazy. And this show was like, could have been, it could not have been more night and day. I remember, my memory's not, I remember we like, I think fought like brother and sister. Like, we were like very close. There was like, you know, me, her and our Graham, who played our brother. We were all very close and like we, I idolized both of them because I was that age where like, I think they're five, six years older than me. And so I just thought they were, I thought her and Graham were like the two coolest people in the world. So whenever I could, I'd be like, please, can I hang out with you? But I, you know, you're at that age, you have like a studio teacher and you have to go to, you know, set and everything to school. But yeah, it is such a trip, such a trip. I think I saw like a clip from that show recently. I think the whole thing's like on YouTube or something. Bill Engvall, are there any Bill Engvall fans out there?

• 31:12Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 31:12Speaker 00

  Appreciate it. Yeah.

• 31:14Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. So again, doesn't get much more diverse. We're going from Bill Engvall air buddies to PTA.

• 31:21Josh Horowitz?

  Not the usual path, but I mean, that's gotta be a moment to get into Licorice Pizza with like every actor is like dying to work with Paul Thomas.

• 31:28Speaker 00

  That's, that's the moment for sure.

• 31:30Josh Horowitz?

  Right?

• 31:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, that, that's like, that was the most surreal. It's like the greatest of all time, you know, you can, you can, you never even like, I don't think, I could not have fathomed of ever having the opportunity to be in his world.

• 31:43Josh Horowitz?

  What's the vibe on a PTA set? What's?

• 31:46Speaker 00

  Awesome. Like weird, like my stuff was like fun. I like, it was like really like he, you know, the audition process was like, I sent in this tape and like he called and I, I think I've told this story before, but he, on this FaceTime, where he was basically giving me the role, he like asked me if I played piano.

• 32:06Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 32:07Speaker 00

  And I don't, and without missing a beat, I said, I've been playing my entire life.

• 32:11Josh Horowitz?

  You went to the extreme.

• 32:12Speaker 00

  I went to the extreme.

• 32:13Josh Horowitz?

  Not just like, yeah, I do a little bit, like, no, I'm a trained pianist.

• 32:16Speaker 00

  I, I, I could have just said, it would have been a lie. It would have been a lie to be like, yeah, I play a little bit.

• 32:21Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 32:21Speaker 00

  But I swung for the fences. Yeah, dude, I said, I've been playing my whole life. And, and then I, and he was like, oh, great. So you're going to play this song, Scott Joplin's The Entertainer, like should be, you know, not too hard. And I was like, great. And we hang up and I immediately listened to the song. And if it was any other director, I would have called back right away and been like, you know what, dude? Like, I think we maybe should have a contingency plan. I'm listening to the song and it's, but I just was terrified, so terrified. I was like, you can't.

• 32:47Josh Horowitz?

  How much time did you have to?

• 32:49Speaker 00

  We had 10 weeks and I just thought like, in that way, that act, that delusional, what they, actors think you kind of can just, I was like, this will be my full time job. I have nothing else to do.

• 32:57Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 32:57Speaker 00

  If I have to play eight hours a day, I'll play. And I did, I played legitimately, probably like five hours a day, every day. The whole time thinking, like waking up in cold sweats, like I'm not, today's the day I call him and come clean and like tell him I can't. And then like a week before, I, was the first time I was like, I think I'm going to be able to do this. And we do it, show up to the scene, it goes like, great. All of filming was so, we have like the best time, like the, it was like a really fun experience. And then doing ADR, a couple of months later, I'm on FaceTime with Paul again. And I was like, how's the movie looking, man? And he's like, oh, it looks great. We cut the piano stuff, but everything else looks great. I was like, all right, okay, right on, man, right on. And he's like, yeah.

• 33:39Speaker 00

  I was too scared to tell him.

• 33:40Josh Horowitz?

  You never told, at some point you told him.

• 33:43Speaker 00

  Never told him. Never told him, never told him. I told his wife, she was like, you gotta tell him. I was like, I'm never, I don't know, I don't know.

• 33:51Speaker 00

  I hope, you know, if he's, he's, I hope he, but he knows because hilariously, which I didn't know, you don't, you don't really get to read the script. There's a scene in the movie where Cooper Hoffman's character, he's getting ready to go to his first audition.

• 34:02Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 34:03Speaker 00

  And Alana Heim tells him, whatever they ask, yes, just what, and there's a scene where she's like fencing. He's like, yep.

• 34:08Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 34:09Speaker 00

  Horseback riding. And then like she was getting to the point where she's like, she knows he's lying. And so I, you know, he knows, it was life imitating art, I think that, yeah.

• 34:17Josh Horowitz?

  Um, yeah. Briefly, I want to mention Regis Gemstones. I mean, McBride was sitting in that seat not so long ago.

• 34:24Speaker 00

  Oh, was he really?

• 34:24Josh Horowitz?

  The best, as you know.

• 34:25Speaker 00

  The coolest man.

• 34:26Josh Horowitz?

  He's created his own world out there and it's just making it work.

• 34:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:29Josh Horowitz?

  What do you learn from a set like that, working with someone from like McBride?

• 34:33Speaker 00

  Dude, so much. Danny is like, maybe just the nicest guy like in Hollywood and he's, you know, he learned so much like, from the way that he works, but also like outside of the work itself, the life stuff, like.

• 34:47Josh Horowitz?

  He cracked the code.

• 34:48Speaker 00

  He cracked the code. He like, you know, it's like him and his best buddies and his, these guys he goes so far back with and like, they just do it together and like it's a family and his, the crew, you know, everybody like he, there's so many different versions of like, you know, it's, you know, you, you, there's so many different ways to do this job and like have this career. And the way that he's gone about it, the way he takes care of people and looks out after people. It's, it's amazing. And the way that he were like, yeah, I learned so much from like, he doesn't, Danny doesn't really like, he, he doesn't really write jokes, like all of the comedy comes from the characters.

• 35:25Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 35:25Speaker 00

  You know, so sometimes you read scenes of his and like, you don't even realize how funny it is until it's on its feet. And then he just has that quality where like, the second he starts talking. And he's also like, the part of his brilliance is like, as I'm sure he thought, he's like the smartest guy in the room, but he has no, he, he so does not need anybody to know that. But he's like the most voracious reader I've ever met.

• 35:45Josh Horowitz?

  Total.

• 35:45Speaker 00

  His output is cra, like I remember, you know, it's tough to get him to like talk too much about his own stuff, but like his output, the amount that he writes, how much pours like, he's such a workhorse and like, and just the nicest dude. And that, that vibe, he's such a nice guy that like, even if like, a really unkind person showed up on that set, you would feel so embarrassed to be anything other than, than I, it just neutralizes any kind of, he's the man. Yeah.

• 36:09Josh Horowitz?

  Maybe you can pop up as G.I. Joe. He's doing the G.I. Joe movie next.

• 36:12Speaker 00

  I know, dude. Let me get in there, that'd be cool. That'd be cool.

• 36:16Josh Horowitz?

  Well, you do have stuff going on, needles to say, Jimmy Olsen, let's talk to Jimmy Olsen. Okay. So famously, tell me, this is true, I believe this is true. When the audition, the opportunity comes around, you thought at first maybe you were auditioning for, for Supes?

• 36:29Speaker 00

  That's right. Yeah.

• 36:31Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, it's all good. You could have been a great Superman.

• 36:34Speaker 00

  Thank you, man. I really appreciate you saying that.

• 36:36Josh Horowitz?

  So at what point did you know?

• 36:38Speaker 00

  I don't, man, I really, I don't know why I had the idea in my head. I don't, I, I got sent it and I thought, and I looking, I looked at it because I told the story, I look back, the sides said Jimmy. They said Jimmy.

• 36:50Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 36:51Speaker 00

  But I thought, I had this idea in my head that it was dummy side. For whatever reason, I skimmed, sometimes I didn't read, you get these emails about it where they're very long, a lot of information. And I was like, oh my God, you know, very exciting Superman thing. And for whatever reason, I had the idea in my head, I was like, I think it's like, I think it's for Superman. And guns always because he's cool and imaginative, I was like, maybe it's like more of a normal everyman kind of thing. And so I sent in that tape fully thinking, this is for Superman.

• 37:18Josh Horowitz?

  So if I look at that tape, do I get Superman vibes? Like, are you?

• 37:22Speaker 00

  Apparently not.

• 37:26Josh Horowitz?

  Like, do you remember how you were playing it? Like, you know, like?

• 37:28Speaker 00

  No, I, I, I played, I knew, I was like, I just gotta be me, you know? And if that's what he's looking for, so I was, I did, I was, yeah, thank, thank God, I did not try to do, yeah.

• 37:39Josh Horowitz?

  The smoky eye, like a little.

• 37:40Speaker 00

  That's my Superman, there you go, that's, that's an insight.

• 37:42Josh Horowitz?

  There it was. Oh, wow.

• 37:43Speaker 00

  That's what David does.

• 37:47Speaker 00

  And then the first time I told James that story after he dude, he laughed harder than anybody. He laughed so hard and that felt great. He was like, how could you think that?

• 37:58Josh Horowitz?

  It's a little insulting, James, but okay.

• 38:00Speaker 00

  Okay, it's not that, not that funny. But no, that, that was so, I mean, you talk about like just a golden ticket, like total magic carpet ride from the beginning. It was this, to be in like, Gunn is, he's, he's just like such a dreamer. He's got like, and he has the entire movie in his head always. And he, you know, he just sees it so clearly. And to have like a captain, you feel like, oh man, we can't. And he said, one of the thing that really stuck with me, like when we first, I got the movie and then I didn't start filming for like a year. And so he had so much time to freak out and be like, man, this is a really big deal, like Superman. And finally comes around and like in three days, we shot like 80% of my stuff in the first movie in this like, cause we only had this location for a little while.

• 38:45Speaker 00

  So it just felt like all this time to think about it. And then it was gone. It was done. And so we're at this dinner like that week and it was kind of spiraling a little bit, I think. And like, James was like, like Jimmy, calls me Jimmy. He's like, Jimmy, how you doing down there? And I was like, half joking like, I don't know, man, kind of freaking out a bit. Maybe I feel like I blew it or something, you know? And he got really serious and he was like, have you seen my movies? And I was like, yeah. He's like, do you think that like, have you ever thought someone was bad in my movie? And I was like, no. He's like, right. He's like, I, I did my job. I did my, he's like, you're, don't worry. Like this is good for me to know, but like you, and it was, it was kind of this thing where it's like, oh yeah, dude, like it's not about, this guy is like, this movie, there's so many moving pieces. He's got the,

• 39:26Speaker 00

  and it was just like this massive relief of like, he's got it. Like that's the, I'm here to do my job. You can't, you can't concern yourself with like, there's just so much, you have no idea editorially what he's thinking. You don't, you don't know like, structurally where you are in the movie or tonally, what scene you're, where you're going. Like you try to think about, but you just can't know. And so you kind of like, yeah. And then he's also, as much as he knows the material and has like, always keeps us, he also like, gives us so much room to try things and run and like, it is such a, it's a truly a dream, dream job.

• 40:00Josh Horowitz?

  Looking back, and I've seen Superman a lot. I love that movie. What he did, what you all did was fantastic.

• 40:04Speaker 00

  Thanks, man.

• 40:05Josh Horowitz?

  Is Jimmy a good guy? He treats Testmacher, I don't know. I don't know how I would like, I don't want to be too judgy, but what do you, defend Jimmy's actions if you can.

• 40:16Speaker 00

  I think I, first of all, that's, I'm glad you brought this up. It's alarming to hear. I, I'll work on that. I mean, we finished the, I hope the second, I'm nicer. I'll work on it for the third.

• 40:26Josh Horowitz?

  I'd say you're a mean guy, but like, I mean, you're, you're a hero in the film. Let's, let's say that.

• 40:32Speaker 00

  But Jimmy's really put upon, I think the hu, yeah, I thought, I think when Sarah's so funny and from her first audition, she had this energy that was like, she was just so bubbly and sweet. And I think James and I both thought like the funniest version of this is just Jimmy being so put upon by this person who is like so sweet, so well intentioned, doting on him. And so sort of the more she went that way, it felt like the more I, I was going the other way. And that's just like how it shook out, you know? I think Jimmy's a good, I think Jimmy, I mean, at the end of the day, he wants, you know, only the best. And I think you'll be happy to see in, in the second, no spoilers, but I think you'll be happy to see.

• 41:13Josh Horowitz?

  How, what was the environment on Man of Tomorrow? We just had Adria here.

• 41:17Speaker 00

  Oh, no way.

• 41:18Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, it was, was awesome. Um, how was her costume? She was very secretive with me.

• 41:24Speaker 00

  I haven't seen it. Yeah.

• 41:25Josh Horowitz?

  You haven't seen, you didn't work with her?

• 41:26Speaker 00

  No. Oh, man. Well.

• 41:32Speaker 00

  I don't know. Um, yeah, I didn't know. That's another set where like nobody, but also nobody can keep secret like.

• 41:37Josh Horowitz?

  Right. You know everything.

• 41:39Speaker 00

  Gunn will come up to him and he'll be like, Pete Safran is like, yeah, runs this studio. He'll be like, don't tell Pete, but uh, and then Pete will be like, well, don't tell James.

• 41:47Josh Horowitz?

  You all need to stop talking.

• 41:48Speaker 00

  And then Lars, our live producer, will be like, James, if he told you, all right, what up?

• 41:51Josh Horowitz?

  And then like everybody. Do you get a whole script for something like that?

• 41:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, you do.

• 41:54Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 41:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:54Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 41:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. Which is all, yeah. Awesome. And um, it was so much fun. It's such a great, that movie truly feels like, uh, cause we film a lot of it at the studio, uh, where there's not a ton out there. And so there's across from the studio, one hotel, like with like, it's like, kind of like the Truman Show. There's like one street, one of everything you need. And it, it's sort of built to support the ecosystem of like the filmmaking. And so everybody literally, I've never been on a set like that where like everyone hangs out 24/7.

• 42:23Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 42:23Speaker 00

  Because like it, you can't hide. Like there's no, so we get dinner every night and like James usually spearheads it. And like, it feels like you're at summer camp. It's like such a wonderful group of people.

• 42:32Josh Horowitz?

  You feel confident about what you guys were able to do. It's wrapped by now. It feels like special in its own way.

• 42:38Speaker 00

  I hope so. I, I really do think, um, I, I mean, I, I think, I think this is a better, even a better movie. I, I think that it's a, yeah, I don't, I don't, I'm so terrified of saying anything. I shouldn't say. But James, I, I, I just think he's sort of like, it's a theme with him. He just like, he, he has this superpower of like, the first movie, he sees what everyone brought to their characters. And then in this script, you read it and he just sort of like, zoomed in on what worked for everybody and like, put it even more into their voice and sort of like, just gives you more, you know? Yeah. I think it went well. I think it went, I think it went good.

• 43:15Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. So you're also knee deep in this Gorillagrod show.

• 43:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:20Josh Horowitz?

  Which, I mean, that's a high compliment that like the first spinoff, et cetera, from this universe.

• 43:25Speaker 00

  Totally.

• 43:26Josh Horowitz?

  Like, when did that come up? Was that on set? Like, that must be a nice phone call, email or something when James is like, we have this idea for the show. We want to center Jimmy.

• 43:35Speaker 00

  Totally. You know what's funny? From the beginning, it was, um, it was one, I guess, like, it was one of the first ideas early, even before the movie, James had been, and he wanted something like a mockumentary set in this, where he just, he thought it would be great. And then, oh, you know, Dan and Tony, like literally who better than like American Vandal is, I think, like just unbelievable. And so when I first got, um, the, the first movie, they were talking about it. It was like, it was in the works, but you sort of like, it sounded so amazing that I didn't want to let myself get excited about it. Cause you're like, who knows? Like there's so much this and that and the next thing. And like, to be doing it now, it's, like I said, I'm such a enormous, I'm an enormous fan of, uh, Dan and Tony. And, uh, I can't believe we're getting to do it. I don't, I've never seen anything like it, like.

• 44:20Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, the set photos, usually I'm not watching, looking at the set photos. I'm trying to avoid it, but check them out, guys. Um, so what am I looking at? Is there a guy in a, there's a guy in a?

• 44:29Speaker 00

  Demetrius. Yeah. They're a great body actor and, uh, and he's, I, I will never, I never, I said like, and no actor should ever complain ever again. This guy's in this full suit. We're in Atlanta. It's like a hundred degrees, like a hundred percent humidity. They're pumping cold air in. He's got to get the head off like every 10 minute. He's un, unbelievable.

• 44:46Josh Horowitz?

  He's singing apparently. I've seen some stuff.

• 44:49Speaker 00

  And the, the puppet team did an incredible job. Uh, it's, I think practically we're going to be able to get away with a, a lot. Um, and not need to rely as much on CGI as they thought, or, uh, yeah. Cause I thought like, it would be awkward acting across from him. Kind of like tennis ball acting, but the, the puppet, it's so, you look into his eyes and you like immediately care about him and you feel like you're talking to somebody and, uh, it's been really fun.

• 45:14Josh Horowitz?

  So tonally, is it going to feel like American Vandalish? Like super funny, like super awkward, like?

• 45:19Speaker 00

  I think so. I, I think that that it is in that world tonally. And then I think the stakes, because it's also, you know, Metropolis. I think it's sort of like that kind of comedy, but with the, uh, the Annie kind of revved up a little bit.

• 45:32Josh Horowitz?

  I can't wait, honestly. Okay. Also, I'm seeing this very soon. They're giving me a sneak peek. I think Focker and Law.

• 45:37Speaker 00

  Yes. Yeah.

• 45:38Josh Horowitz?

  I'm very excited about this. Um, obviously you mentioned before you're reteaming with Ben, which must be rewarding.

• 45:43Speaker 00

  Totally.

• 45:44Josh Horowitz?

  Um, then you had, you know, Ariana Grande into the mix, who I assume you're doing a lot with since you are partners in the film.

• 45:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:52Josh Horowitz?

  De Niro, needless to say. Again, you've worked with a lot of luminaries, but what's that set like looking to the left, De Niro, to the right, Ariana Grande?

• 46:01Speaker 00

  Awesome. It's like Superman where you're like, you know, coming into, and just, I, those movies meant so much to me as a kid. And like, it's a real, uh, yeah, i, i, it is having, and also John Hamburg, who like, uh, he's such a hero of mine. And I like, yeah, it was very much, uh, like.

• 46:18Josh Horowitz?

  He gave, gave us sharding with Philip Seymour Hoffman back in the day. Long came Polly. Man's a genius.

• 46:23Speaker 00

  The best dude, the best, the best. Yeah. I, very, very, yeah. So, so, so nervous coming in. Uh, having worked with Ben before was like very helpful. And John's like the nicest dude. Ari is like the loveliest person and, uh, everyone calls Robert De Niro Bob, Bob. Bob was so warm that it was immediately a very familial environment and like, uh, it was so much fun. I, I, I know that, uh, I, I was very nervous about, I, I might've said this before, but like calling, everybody calls Robert De Niro Bob.

• 46:50Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 46:50Speaker 00

  But I knew it would be insane for, I wasn't gonna, he's the greatest actor of all time. I wasn't gonna come to set and be like, hey, Bob, how you doing? So it's like Mr. De Niro, of course, you know? So I met him. I came, Mr. De Niro, how you doing? So nice to meet you. And I'm playing his grandson, you know? So it's like playing your grandson. He's like, okay. Nice to meet you. And then the first week of filming goes by, like Monday, Tuesday, I'm like, hey, good morning, Mr. De Niro. And by the middle of the week, I was starting to sense that like, he wanted me to not call him Mr. De Niro. I didn't want, energetically, it felt like it was time to grab, but he wasn't gonna, he's so, he's like this very chill guy. It just felt like it was time.

• 47:25Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 47:26Speaker 00

  I couldn't do, I was like nervous. I was nervous to go to Bob. And so I made a game plan that Friday, when we wrap, end of week one, going into the weekend. So if it goes poorly, I have time, I'm gonna, I'm gonna lay the first Bob on him. And it had been like, cause I'm playing, it's supposed to be like a warm, we're great. And so like Friday, we rap, I was like, ramping myself up and I was like, Alright Bob, thanks for a great week, man. And like, I could have been reading too much into it, but I think I saw a glimmer in his eye. And he was like, I'm happy. I think I saw he was proud.

• 47:53Josh Horowitz?

  The famous De Niro little kinda-

• 47:55Speaker 00

  It's been weird that you kept coffee, Mr. De Niro.

• 47:58Josh Horowitz?

  But you insist that he calls you Mr. Gisondo.

• 48:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, he once slipped up and said, Skyler, and I was like, Bob, what are we doing?

• 48:07Speaker 00

  But it was really, we had a really fun time making that movie and I've seen, I think it's very sweet. I can't, I'm excited for people to see it.

• 48:14Josh Horowitz?

  You're also in the new Shrek movie, which is probably gonna make a gajillion dollars. Like, it really probably will. I'm putting my money on that one. Um, were you a Shrek person? Like, is that a part of your childhood?

• 48:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, everybody. I think all of it, like, you know, that is the job of everything going on. That is the one everybody in my life has been like, dude, dude, Shrek? Like, everything else is a cool, like-

• 48:38Josh Horowitz?

  Supernatural's alright.

• 48:40Speaker 00

  Truly, truly Shrek is, that's the I have arrived moment. Yeah, everybody, and- For me too, I, yeah, I can't, it's, it's been, uh, true, the most, cause you're, you're doing the record-

• 48:51Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 48:51Speaker 00

  And they're playing, like, I have a scene, and I'm listening to Eddie Murphy's donkey. And you're like, I can't, oh my god, if like little me could see, this is the most like, you know, that is the most surreal moment of it all, I think.

• 49:04Josh Horowitz?

  Have you met any other cast members? No, you're just in a booth, right?

• 49:06Speaker 00

  Unfortunately not, cause you're doing it, you know, it's all isolated, you know, but-

• 49:11Josh Horowitz?

  This'll be a press tour you'll actually look forward to.

• 49:12Speaker 00

  Yes, very much so.

• 49:14Josh Horowitz?

  You'll get to meet everybody.

• 49:14Speaker 00

  Very much so.

• 49:15Josh Horowitz?

  So, okay, so what are we, I mean, not that you need to manifest much at this point, cause you're very, very busy.

• 49:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:19Josh Horowitz?

  But like, it does feel like you're in a bit of a transitional point dictated by the kind of opportunities you've had and made the most of, dictated by your age, where you're at, like, what are, what are you, you know, twenties went well. What do the thirties hold for you? What are you hoping?

• 49:32Speaker 00

  Um, I hope, uh, I honestly, um, you know, I, I think truly working with, with Rob, uh, lit this kind of fire under me of like, whatever it is, whatever it looks like, uh, I, I, I look forward to like, continuing to do these challenging things that feel very outside of my comfort zone, hopefully, and taking big swings and, um, I'm doing this, this, this next thing in the new year, this say twenty-four movie called Goblin.

• 50:00Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, that sounds crazy.

• 50:01Speaker 00

  Which is a swing, it's this way, it's, it's, it's insane, yeah, it's, it's, uh, it's, other than Primetime, the most insane thing I've ever read and, uh, I'm really looking forward to like getting, getting weird with it.

• 50:13Josh Horowitz?

  So you're not the Goblin, Kenneth Branagh?

• 50:15Speaker 00

  Kenneth Branagh's the Goblin.

• 50:16Josh Horowitz?

  Of course.

• 50:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, of course.

• 50:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:20Josh Horowitz?

  So, but not physically, he's like a voice of the Goblin?

• 50:23Speaker 00

  He's the voice, yeah, it's like a two and a half foot tall-

• 50:25Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 50:25Speaker 00

  Uh, green guy, yeah, like a practical puppet and, um, that requires, I think, like ten or eleven puppeteers simultaneously. Uh, the test footage I've seen looks amazing and, um, yeah, I, I, I think, yeah, hopefully that, for, that's it for the thirties, man. Just continuing to, uh-

• 50:42Josh Horowitz?

  As much Goblin work as possible.

• 50:44Speaker 00

  As much, between the grot and that, yes, much puppet stuff.

• 50:47Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, you went crystal monkey, uh, way back in the day, like monkeys, gorillas, goblins.

• 50:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's the-

• 50:54Josh Horowitz?

  Where do we go next?

• 50:55Speaker 00

  I don't know, man, yeah, good question. Yeah, maybe back to breakdancing on the domino.

• 50:59Josh Horowitz?

  Back to the dome, probably.

• 51:00Speaker 00

  Back to my roots, yeah.

• 51:02Josh Horowitz?

  Busking and back to the dome.

• 51:03Speaker 00

  I've always found my inspiration at the dome. Yeah, when in doubt, when in doubt.

• 51:07Josh Horowitz?

  Before we, um, wrap it up, Happy Sad Confused profoundly random questions for you, Skyler, you ready?

• 51:12Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 51:12Josh Horowitz?

  Are you a dog or a cat person?

• 51:14Speaker 00

  Dog.

• 51:15Josh Horowitz?

  You have one?

• 51:15Speaker 00

  Not currently.

• 51:16Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, that's okay. Look at this unbroken iconic, very, got intense for a second.

• 51:20Speaker 00

  We just logged in.

• 51:20Josh Horowitz?

  What do you collect?

• 51:23Speaker 00

  What do I collect? Uh, what do I collect? Um, uh, uh, that's a good question. I don't really, uh, uh-

• 51:31Josh Horowitz?

  It can be nothing.

• 51:32Speaker 00

  Nothing, I guess, surfboards kinda.

• 51:34Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 51:35Speaker 00

  I don't collect, I just, I have too many.

• 51:36Josh Horowitz?

  You have a few.

• 51:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, uh, but that's, yeah, I don't, uh, I'd like to collect like guitars, I think that, I play it, that's cool.

• 51:44Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 51:44Speaker 00

  Right now-

• 51:45Josh Horowitz?

  Pianos, you're a famous pianist, so you could like-

• 51:47Speaker 00

  And I've always said that, yeah, and so piano, I actually have a large collection, uh, very low, maybe the largest-

• 51:53Josh Horowitz?

  Of pianos, wow, that's cumbersome, that's cool.

• 51:57Speaker 00

  It's, it's just, that's my life, so that's what I do.

• 52:00Josh Horowitz?

  Favorite video game of all time?

• 52:03Speaker 00

  Breath of the Wild, maybe. I'm not like a big, uh, video game guy, but that game got me, dude. I don't know who put me onto it, but oh my god, I just, the months disappeared until it's like the most fun, have you played?

• 52:13Josh Horowitz?

  I haven't, I mean, I know of it, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:15Speaker 00

  It's amazing. And now there's a game, I know, I'll play Mario Party with my friends sometimes, I love Mario Party. And there's a, I, but the majority, I play Backgammon on my phone and that, that's ninety-nine percent of-

• 52:26Josh Horowitz?

  A sophisticated gamer.

• 52:27Speaker 00

  Like a sophisticated, I have sunk, I, I, at the end of my life, if you could see how many, I, I would, I have no, it's, it's gonna have been years by the end, I'm playing Backgammon on my phone.

• 52:36Josh Horowitz?

  Any interest in the Grand Theft Auto? This is gonna, about to take over pop culture, you know?

• 52:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, the games, I get, you know, as a kid, my mom wouldn't let me play the violent ones. And now as an adult, I find they make me a little, a little anxious, a little upset.

• 52:49Josh Horowitz?

  Mom did a good job.

• 52:50Speaker 00

  This poor guy didn't deserve to get hit by a car and that, I don't wanna do that to that guy, so I don't really enjoy.

• 52:58Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, Dakota Johnson asked me this, I ask everybody, would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one bee in your butt?

• 53:08Speaker 00

  Bee in the butt.

• 53:10Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 53:10Speaker 00

  Bee in the butt. What did she say?

• 53:12Josh Horowitz?

  Um, ninety percent of people say bee in the butt, that is the prevailing wisdom.

• 53:17Speaker 00

  I feel like just practically-

• 53:18Josh Horowitz?

  Just get it done with.

• 53:19Speaker 00

  Because bees in the mouth, you don't know if they're going, you know, down to the, and then you have other problems, bee in the butt.

• 53:25Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 53:25Speaker 00

  I don't think he's gonna be able to get deeper.

• 53:28Josh Horowitz?

  Unlikely, depends on the tenacity of the bee.

• 53:31Speaker 00

  Right, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not abreast of the, you know-

• 53:34Josh Horowitz?

  Right, right.

• 53:34Speaker 00

  How, but I-

• 53:34Josh Horowitz?

  We'll get some medical texts out and see.

• 53:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, we could get some input, bee in the butt for now.

• 53:38Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, what's the wallpaper on your phone?

• 53:41Speaker 00

  It's a picture of me and my girlfriend.

• 53:44Josh Horowitz?

  Last actor you were mistaken for?

• 53:46Speaker 00

  Uh, all the time, Will Poulter, uh, from, not anymore, not, not, not anymore, but like five years ago, Jeremy Allen White and Will Poulter. Because Will Poulter did, the, the year where the Millers came out-

• 53:58Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 53:59Speaker 00

  Is the year Vacation came out and both were like rated R, family road trip comedies, and we both played like the awkward teenage son.

• 54:05Josh Horowitz?

  Yes.

• 54:06Speaker 00

  Where the Millers made like a way bigger splash, you know? And, and so, uh, yeah, people, I, it got to the point where there's, at one point, I just felt bad, not telling you, so I've taken pictures with people who think that I'm, I've told story, I've spun tales, uh, of like how, I was like, production was great, it was great.

• 54:22Josh Horowitz?

  Really?

• 54:23Speaker 00

  Like, how was it? I was like, cause they're so excited.

• 54:24Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, you're yes ending.

• 54:25Speaker 00

  It's not me, yes end, so you're like, oh my god, Sidak is the man, yeah, oh my god, man. They're like, oh, and I've always wondered if he ever, I doubt it.

• 54:34Josh Horowitz?

  Catches up with him?

• 54:34Speaker 00

  I wouldn't have anyone who was mistaken.

• 54:36Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 54:37Speaker 00

  And then when, before Jeremy Allen White got like jacked and became a huge movie star, people, and guys like, still look so cool, people were like, oh my god, I'm Shameless, and a handful of times, the kid from Everybody Hates Chris.

• 54:49Josh Horowitz?

  Oh.

• 54:50Speaker 00

  And I recently was in an airport and this woman, God bless her, would not refuse to believe I was not. She's like, oh my god, and I was like, no, oh, let me see picture, no, she's like, quit playing with, that's it. And I was like, no, that, she FaceTimes like her cousin, she's like, tell me, come, come, she's like, tell me this isn't, I was like, it's not me, and her cousin was like, that's you, quit messing around.

• 55:09Josh Horowitz?

  That's the guy.

• 55:09Speaker 00

  And I was like, I promise, I, I would tell you, I swear to god.

• 55:12Josh Horowitz?

  It's my government issued ID.

• 55:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, I walked away, both of them thinking I'm a piece of shit who just won't acknowledge that I'm the kid from Everybody Hates Chris.

• 55:19Josh Horowitz?

  Well, you're well known to be that. Um, no, worst known director has ever given you?

• 55:26Speaker 00

  Damn.

• 55:27Josh Horowitz?

  You don't need to name names unless you want to.

• 55:29Speaker 00

  Um, uh, oh, wow, good question, uh, I, I don't, I've been lucky, man, I wish I had a good answer for you. I, I think the only mistake, it's not no, it's getting a note before you've done the take.

• 55:43Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, preemptively kinda closing something off.

• 55:46Speaker 00

  It's like, hey, I was thinking that, that can be, cause it's sort of like, you know, you get one, she like, I'm gonna, you're gonna tell me and we're gonna do it like, we'll do it one, we would know, let's do one where we have no idea what's gonna, before there's any, but I've never gotten like a bad-

• 55:59Josh Horowitz?

  Right, that's good.

• 56:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, I've been lucky.

• 56:01Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 56:02Speaker 00

  Been lucky.

• 56:02Josh Horowitz?

  And finally, in the spirit of Happy Sad Confused, who's an actor who always makes you happy, you see them on screen, you're happy.

• 56:08Speaker 00

  I think, I'd say Ryan Gosling, I think, I mean, who, you know, who doesn't, but he, there's, he, there's such a joy in his, in everything of his. I've been a fan of his like forever, for my whole, you know, everything from the beginning, but yeah, he did, and it seems like he's only, he's only getting more and more in the pocket.

• 56:25Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 56:25Speaker 00

  Um, but yeah, I'd watch, yeah, anything, I think.

• 56:28Josh Horowitz?

  Movie that makes you sad?

• 56:31Speaker 00

  Um, I always forget if it's, I always, it's one of my favorite movies and I always mess up the title, about, about love or about time? About time.

• 56:40Josh Horowitz?

  The Donald Gleason, yeah.

• 56:41Speaker 00

  About time, it's so, I can't, emotional, it's so beautiful, but it's so, yeah, and it is so uplifting and there's some, but there's something, uh, oh, it's so sad.

• 56:51Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 56:51Speaker 00

  So sad.

• 56:52Josh Horowitz?

  No, it's a good one.

• 56:52Speaker 00

  But it's so good.

• 56:53Josh Horowitz?

  And a food that makes you confused?

• 56:55Speaker 00

  Food that makes me confused?

• 56:56Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 56:56Speaker 00

  I don't, I'm really, I, I will, I don't venture out enough. I will eat the same thing, I don't give myself the opportunity to get confused because especially when I'm alone, I'm doing like rotisserie chickens over this, I'm, I will eat the same thing every day for months. From, if I'm not, like, I will walk at home, there's a Bristol Farms right across, I will just walk in chicken teriyaki bowl every day. You can set your clock, or and then after like three months, I'll move off of that and there's like this, uh, place, Benny, this Mexican place, I'll go get the carne asada bowl every day, every day, for months.

• 57:27Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 57:28Speaker 00

  And I don't venture out enough, um, so I don't, yeah, I don't often get confused.

• 57:32Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 57:32Speaker 00

  I'm just reliving the same day over and over and over and over.

• 57:36Josh Horowitz?

  Food version for Skyler.

• 57:38Speaker 00

  I'm just like, I'm just, I just want the slop, man, I just want a bowl.

• 57:41Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 57:42Speaker 00

  Just a bunch of meat, a bunch of rice.

• 57:44Josh Horowitz?

  That just needs like something inputted, it's not there for the pleasure, just, just keep me alive.

• 57:48Speaker 00

  Involved, yeah, it is just calories in, calories out.

• 57:51Josh Horowitz?

  I've never related to someone less in my life. Literally.

• 57:55Speaker 00

  What's your answer?

• 57:56Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, there's plenty of things I don't like, but I, I like, food is why I'm living my life.

• 58:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:01Josh Horowitz?

  Like not you, just to keep you alive.

• 58:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I think-

• 58:06Josh Horowitz?

  Agree or disagree?

• 58:07Speaker 00

  I get anxious by the idea of like, you know, group, everyone loves a group dinner.

• 58:10Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 58:11Speaker 00

  Right, but it's always family style and it's like a bunch of small place, so you're playing this game the whole time.

• 58:16Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, I don't like that, I don't like sharing.

• 58:17Speaker 00

  Oh, I want someone else to get that first, and then you're like, oh, did I take too much, I take too much, next thing you know, you've been there for three hours, you're still hungry.

• 58:23Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 58:23Speaker 00

  You didn't eat anything fulfilling, you're like, I'm gonna, I wish I had my slop.

• 58:27Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, you're just in the corner with your little chicken teriyaki bowl.

• 58:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 58:31Josh Horowitz?

  Like a monster.

• 58:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, like a monster.

• 58:33Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 58:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:34Josh Horowitz?

  Um, I appreciate you doing this.

• 58:36Speaker 00

  John, thank you so much for having me.

• 58:37Josh Horowitz?

  I didn't mention at the start, like, you haven't done a lot of this, so I really appreciate you trusting me, coming on the podcast. It's coming at a great moment, um, congratulations on Primetime, Focker and Lost Shrek, Goblin related material, um, and I'll see you at the dome.

• 58:52Speaker 00

  I'll see you. Dude, I'll hold you to that, please.

• 58:55Josh Horowitz?

  Alright.

• 58:57Speaker 00

  Thank you so much for having me, I appreciate it.

• 58:58Josh Horowitz?

  Appreciate you.

• 58:59Speaker 00

  Thanks, man.

• 59:01Speaker 02

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