Sebastian Stan, Vol. IV

Round 4 for Sebastian Stan! This episode has it all: discussions about THE BATMAN PART II, Steve and Bucky’s reunion in AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY, and even a 20th anniversary look back at THE COVENANT. On his latest visit to Happy Sad Confused, Sebastian and Josh sit down in honor of his new film, FJORD, which has already taken on new meaning for Sebastian since becoming a dad. All this and more on the latest episode of HSC! SUPPORT THE SHOW BY SUPPORTING OUR SPONSORS! Rula -- Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/happy #rulapod Quince -- Go to ⁠Quince.com/HAPPYSAD ⁠for free shipping and 365-day returns. Limited Time Offer–Get Huel today with my exclusive offer of 15% OFF online with my code happy15 at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://huel.com/happy15.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ New Customers Only. Thank you to Huel for partnering and supporting our show! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:53Josh Horowitz?

  There's a lot of conjecture about who you're playing.

• 0:55Speaker 03

  Right.

• 0:55Josh Horowitz?

  Not all of it is right, clearly, because there are about three different.

• 0:58Speaker 03

  I mean, you know.

• 0:59Josh Horowitz?

  Sorry?

• 1:00Speaker 03

  I'm Batman.

• 1:02Josh Horowitz?

  That's the choice. It's got the voice.

• 1:04Speaker 03

  Who else?

• 1:05Josh Horowitz?

  Obviously.

• 1:06Speaker 03

  I mean, where's Rob?

• 1:07Josh Horowitz?

  What would I be?

• 1:08Speaker 04

  Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused, begins.

• 1:16Josh Horowitz?

  Hey, guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy Sad Confused. Today on the show, it's one of our favorites, fourth time on the show, Sebastian Stan. Yes, the Winter Soldier's in the house, but we are talking about much more than Marvel today. We're talking about his new film, Fjord, a tease of the Batman Part Two, and much, much more. Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out the podcast. Remember to hit that subscribe button, YouTube, Spotify, however you're doing it. I appreciate you guys. So thrilled Sebastian, one of our favorites, probably one of your favorites, is on the show again. His new film is Fjord, opposite Renata Rinsva. Fantastic film. This is the film that won the Palme d'Or, the ultimate prize at Cannes this past summer, and it is coming out in theaters now. It is, yes, definitely, one of those films that is in the awards hunt and justifiably so.

• 2:01Josh Horowitz?

  This is a transformative performance for Sebastian. Bald head, glasses, like, just kind of a schlubby guy. This is not the glamorous hero that we're used to seeing, but props to him for another bold performance, coming off just two years ago with A Different Man, playing Donald Trump in The Apprentice. He's absolutely killing it, and he does it again in this film, Fjord. Check it out. This conversation, obviously, as it always does with Sebastian and on the podcast, goes to many different places. Yes, we tease the future of Bucky, of Winter Soldier, in Doomsday, and more. We talk about the Batman Part Two, which he is shooting right now. I can't wait for that one. Matt Reeves, deliver us another Batman film. It's gonna be great. And much more. He's in a great spot. He's a new dad.

• 2:46Josh Horowitz?

  So thrilled he's on the podcast again. Remember, if you like what I do, support us over on our Patreon, patreon.com/happysadconfused. Early access discount codes. You can ask questions of our guests. Today on the show, we actually asked a bunch of fan questions, so get in on that. At the producer level and above, you can ask questions of our guests like we did for Sebastian Stan today. So, without any further ado, here we go. Me and Sebastian Stan. Enjoy. Sebastian, we can't.

• 3:14Speaker 03

  Hello.

• 3:15Josh Horowitz?

  We can't let Fjord get out into the world without a Happy Sad Confused episode, can we?

• 3:19Speaker 03

  No, we can't, because everyone is happy, sad, and confused in Fjord.

• 3:23Josh Horowitz?

  There it is. I know you were thinking about the podcast during the film. You're like, look, this is a tough job, but at some point, I'll get to sit down with Josh in a very brightly lit studio and just relax.

• 3:32Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 3:33Josh Horowitz?

  Fourth time on the podcast.

• 3:35Speaker 03

  Is that right? Yeah, I was, I told you, I was thinking on the way over here, like, the first time. I know I did the pictures with you.

• 3:41Josh Horowitz?

  You've done the pictures. A lot of, I have probably 100-plus embarrassing photos to blackmail you with.

• 3:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, well.

• 3:49Josh Horowitz?

  Look, here's a good.

• 3:50Speaker 03

  I'll take them.

• 3:51Josh Horowitz?

  The fifth time on the podcast, you know you get a free hat.

• 3:54Speaker 03

  Really?

• 3:54Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 3:55Speaker 03

  Oh, I love hats now, clearly.

• 3:57Josh Horowitz?

  David Harbour's in the club, Hiddleston's in the club.

• 4:00Speaker 03

  Very nice.

• 4:00Josh Horowitz?

  Claire Foy.

• 4:01Speaker 03

  Oh, okay, great.

• 4:02Josh Horowitz?

  It's elite company.

• 4:03Speaker 03

  I'm down. I love hats.

• 4:05Josh Horowitz?

  So, yeah, let's get the most important topic out of the way. You mentioned it's a good time for hats for you. I mean, look at this visage. Look at this head of, this bald head in front of me.

• 4:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:15Josh Horowitz?

  Is this the first, this is the first time for Fjord that we've ever gotten to shave the head?

• 4:20Speaker 03

  Yes. Uh, yes, because Destroyer, right? I kind of shaved the sides, but it was never really on the top. But, yeah, Fjord was like the first real crew cut since I was four or something, because my mom used to shave my head when I was little, thinking that it was gonna grow in thicker. It doesn't work. So, don't do that.

• 4:42Josh Horowitz?

  Did you have any fear? This is your livelihood. What if it doesn't come back in the volume you want?

• 4:47Speaker 03

  I, I have more fear now, honestly, looking like myself in a movie than looking different.

• 4:54Josh Horowitz?

  Clearly, looking at the last few movies, you're like, now you're obsessed with just transforming.

• 4:59Speaker 03

  But it wasn't, I know, they all happened sort of simultaneously, one after the other, but it wasn't really a plan. And now it feels like, at some point, I have to go back.

• 5:09Josh Horowitz?

  Just be you.

• 5:10Speaker 03

  To some version that looks like I do, and I was kind of worried about that the other day.

• 5:15Josh Horowitz?

  You're running away from yourself to get you on the couch. You're just trying to get far away.

• 5:18Speaker 03

  Running away from myself, only to find my way back.

• 5:21Josh Horowitz?

  Although, 360, that's the important part.

• 5:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:25Josh Horowitz?

  So, in arriving at the, I was telling you, this film is fantastic. This is you. Renata, again, reteaming Christian Munj, do I have that pronunciation right?

• 5:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:34Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Great filmmaker. I mean, there are many, let's start with Fjord, and then we'll talk about other things, as we always do. But, um, I mean, there's a lot of reasons to be excited about this for you. I mean, the filmmaker, the Romanian connection, the opportunity to transform. I mean, is this one of those that, I mean, was this born off of the experience on The Apprentice? Or had this been brewing for a while? Give me a sense of the origin story for this one.

• 5:59Speaker 03

  Well, it's a little bit of both, because I, obviously, I've been looking for years to kind of come back home with Romania in a way, and find the perfect sort of project. And I was obsessed watching a lot of filmmakers like Munj, out of Romania for years, and approaching different ones. And he and I had had conversations for several years about finding the right thing. And then finally, this was it, because he said, I think I'm gonna do my first English language movie, and it'll be your first Romanian movie. And so the fit and the timing was right.

• 6:35Speaker 03

  And apropos to Apprentice and A Different Man, and sort of these characters I had played, I felt, coming off of these bigger than life characters, I wanted to do something much more subtle and nuanced and restrained. And his films, Christian Munj's films, are so documentary-like.

• 6:56Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 6:57Speaker 03

  As you, as you know, if you watch his movies.

• 6:59Josh Horowitz?

  Long takes, long.

• 6:59Speaker 03

  Long takes, they're all in one shot. Each scene is one shot, no cuts. And he really is obsessed, he used to be a journalist, so he's obsessed with trying to capture things to be as naturalistic and as real as in life. So this was very, it was just a very different character than I had played. I thought it was an important subject matter. I, 44 now, had a kid, but at the time, already was really thinking about kids. So I felt it was just all kind of moving in the right direction for me.

• 7:31Josh Horowitz?

  So to contextualize this, you and Renata play a couple with five kids, I believe.

• 7:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:36Josh Horowitz?

  You're Romanian, the couple has.

• 7:38Speaker 03

  Norwegian, yeah.

• 7:39Josh Horowitz?

  Norwegian, have just moved to Norway.

• 7:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:41Josh Horowitz?

  And, you know, they are accused of abuse of their kids.

• 7:46Speaker 03

  Correct, yeah.

• 7:46Josh Horowitz?

  There's a layer of religious persecution, perhaps? They're conservative?

• 7:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I think, I think that's what is interesting, and I think Munj does really well with his films, is this ambiguity that's at the center of the movie, because a lot of it is about interpretation. Is it religious persecution?

• 8:05Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 8:05Speaker 03

  Are they actually, you know, guilty of what they're being accused of? The movie doesn't give you the answer so easily. And I think a very telling thing is, as it's about self-awareness for the viewer, is about what comes up for you when you watch the movie?

• 8:26Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 8:27Speaker 03

  What are the things that you feel strongly about? There's a lot of knee-jerk reactions to the movie, which I think are very telling. And so it isn't, it isn't an easy film, but I think it's a film that ultimately tries to explore this question of, in today's world, where we are so divided, how do we raise kids? What works? What is best for the children? Is it still these old, traditional family values? Is it a different way of upbringing? Are we protecting families, or are we tearing them apart? You know, there's a lot of heavy questions like that, that I think are important.

• 9:04Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, this is the second film in a couple of years that will be interpreted in vastly different ways. I mean, The Apprentice was appropriated kind of on both sides to a degree, and now this one is already happening, and it hasn't even hit theaters yet here in the States.

• 9:18Speaker 03

  I think it's a very, but one thing they have in common is the European mentality, approach. I mean, both of those, Ali, of course, is from Iran, but he's European, and he has a very cosmopolitan upbringing. And so, like, and in Europe, they're much more interested in nuance and in the complexity of life situations.

• 9:39Josh Horowitz?

  Right. And not telling you how to feel walking out of the theater.

• 9:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I think in America, and there's nothing wrong with it, I think it all has its place, we're much more in need of, give me the answer. Give me the ending that, how am I supposed to think? How am I supposed to feel? And none of these movies do that, because life doesn't always give you that.

• 9:58Josh Horowitz?

  So, you're a new dad. I mean, there must be, I don't know if you've watched the movie since becoming a dad, has it, has perspective on it changed already? Because it is so much about fatherhood and protecting your kids, and what that means to be a man and a father.

• 10:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. No, 100%. I mean, that was sort of what I'm, why I'm proud of doing the movie and why I stand by it in a way is.

• 10:22Speaker 03

  Obviously, it's it's interesting looking back now, having had some time away from it and kind of coming at it objectively. Because I'm asking myself, what are these things that I grew up with that I can? That I should pass on to my kid? And what are the things that I grew up with that really didn't work that I don't want to pass on?

• 10:43Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 10:44Speaker 03

  Um, so much of what we pass on is generational. It's cultural, it's it's history, it's upbringing. And I think looking at this movie, it's it's really quite wild. I mean, I I. You know, I play a character that's very was raised very differently than me, you know, and and but these were traditional, very traditional male.

• 11:06Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 11:07Speaker 03

  Eastern European. Figures that I that I sort of saw in my own dad, my grandfather and so on. So. Um, I think there's a real authentic piece to it, but I. I'm at it from the same point that I think and I hope. Any viewer would be, which is now to try to ask, what would you do in that situation? Um, what would you do if you're being accused of that, of those things and your kids are being taken away from? I think parents will have a very different experience with this movie.

• 11:36Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 11:38Speaker 03

  But I I think I I do feel like the movie still makes a case for also showing why.

• 11:46Speaker 03

  There there is a reason why these allegations are are happening.

• 11:50Josh Horowitz?

  What was your has your has your definition of what it is to be a good? Man changed, do you think, over the years? I mean, I don't know what your.

• 11:58Speaker 03

  Such a great question. Yeah, I mean, it it has. I'm curious how you're feeling about that. I think for me, at the at the end of the day, what it boils down to is tolerance. And um. And I and I said it earlier, which is I I sometimes equate it to doing a plank for a really, really, really, really long time.

• 12:20Speaker 03

  But but this. A degree of tolerance that I think is not so, I don't I don't feel is so um. Present anymore, man or women or however you identify it, we we don't have, we've lost tolerance. For somebody else that's different, for for criticism.

• 12:40Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 12:40Speaker 03

  For uh. You know, just just just a difference of of of opinion.

• 12:46Josh Horowitz?

  It does feel like the the values to be placed on like, like the idea of a man was someone that like set in their ways and they knew the right way and like. Good, bad and ugly, they kind of like stuck to it. And if you have the right morals and the right whatever, great, but.

• 13:02Speaker 03

  Well, it's just interesting because to see what's happening in today's world, because I feel like now masculinity. Given the horrific examples we have in the authority figures that were subjected to. Constantly that play out their own traumas on the rest of us constantly. Um, is this this victimized, entitled masculinity?

• 13:24Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 13:25Speaker 03

  You know, um, this sort of. Beating of the chest, um. And and it's so loud. And and to me, it's so indicative of the. Total opposite of masculinity. It it's actually very revealing, I find, of how. Insecure and small it actually is, you know, um. And that I do feel like masculinity is under. Attack, it has been, but it's also, there's a magnifying glass right now where we're asking like, really, what is what is a man today?

• 14:00Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 14:01Speaker 03

  Um, but we have to go back and look at the things that have worked and that didn't. And I think there's romantic perceptions of it. I mean, you know. You had, you you look at it in film, right? Like the the heroic. Uh. You know, I almost want to say John McClane was a pretty good man.

• 14:18Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 14:19Speaker 03

  In Die Hard, you know?

• 14:20Josh Horowitz?

  He's human. He was he he had flaws. I mean.

• 14:23Speaker 03

  Flaws, but flaws. I I I mean, for me in movies, that that's what I always loved and. The lead characters were were flaws. I mean, you want to talk like James Bond, right? Now it's a whole, who's going to be the next James Bond? You're going to follow Daniel Craig? I mean, that was an amazing James Bond because he had flaws.

• 14:41Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You felt the pain metaphorically and literally with every punch.

• 14:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, and and and but I I do agree a certain, I I do feel like a degree of of tolerance and. Listening is is how I at least I think of of of a man.

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• 16:59Josh Horowitz?

  Can we take a step back? Because we we kind of contextualize this. We talked about this kind of coming off of. The Apprentice, and we should cite really also Different Man 2, because that was that one two punch a couple of years ago that we talked about. I just met Adam, by the way, for the first time, Adam Pearson.

• 17:11Speaker 03

  Oh, did you? Okay, great. Oh, cool. Yeah.

• 17:14Josh Horowitz?

  Come on.

• 17:14Speaker 03

  Incredible.

• 17:15Josh Horowitz?

  There's a cool new doc about kind of like his journey to making a different man.

• 17:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so. You mentioned.

• 17:20Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah. So anyway, um, but like, I would imagine, look, those two films were big bets on yourself, on the material. Either both could have failed miserably.

• 17:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:33Josh Horowitz?

  And instead, they were celebrated. Like, I mean, you got you got the Oscar nomination, the BAFTA nomination, the Golden Globe. And I would think, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, does that did that kind of going through all that reaffirm kind of like, I'm doing this for the right reasons? I mean, the awards are nice and whatever. That's not the reason to do it. But the fact that like I took two risks. That on paper didn't seem like the obvious thing to do and they found audiences, they found critical love.

• 17:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I think, and you know, obviously, because you see a lot of movies and you're in this and it's so. The difference is when people see the films. And and it's really about getting people to see the movies that that's what those award, at the end of the day, that's what the award thing is really about, is the attention that the movie can get. And I think both of those movies to me. Felt like there were passionate subject matters that I really believed in. There was also really for the first time where. I wasn't a producer on The Apprentice. Per se, but I was kind of treated like one because I was I was so involved in the behind the scenes of the making of that movie. And to some extent, I was really involved with a different man. And so I I felt like I had.

• 18:43Speaker 03

  Major investments in them. And and so the the fight for me was there on a on a bigger level and. So I I going forward, it definitely restructured kind of how I want to approach these things because I realized unless I really, unless. Like, I've got my hands and my feet and everything and my heart in it, maybe I shouldn't do it, you know, I should only do it when it's like something I really care for.

• 19:05Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, it's kind of rare, like, looking at as many actors as I talk to about like, kind of like the points in a career that where things shift. And you've had a few, you know. Shifting moments, obviously, at different points, but arguably.

• 19:16Speaker 03

  I could tell you the years.

• 19:18Josh Horowitz?

  We can do that. I'd have you to do that. But like, the most recent one is probably like two years ago. I mean, do you feel like? Are you, you must be seeing different material access to different directors just in the last couple of years. Is that fair to say?

• 19:30Speaker 03

  Definitely, yeah. I mean, certainly, yeah. And and and I feel very lucky that way. I mean, it's always.

• 19:40Speaker 03

  So much of. Things coming together, I realize now is about timing.

• 19:45Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 19:46Speaker 03

  And and I never knew that before because I always just thought, well, you get an audition and you you know, hopefully they'll cast you, whatever. But. It's about timing also in terms of um. When is the movie happening? But also, the financing, is it coming together, especially if it's something that's. Difficult or challenging, it it doesn't come together very easily. And then also. Is this movie coming to you at a time where you are going personally through something that you can.

• 20:15Josh Horowitz?

  Channel into it a little bit.

• 20:16Speaker 03

  Relate to or understand it, because when you don't, you know the difference and it's just a lot harder.

• 20:22Josh Horowitz?

  It occurs to me, we're almost 20 years to the day. Happy 20th of the Covenant, Sebastian.

• 20:30Speaker 03

  I know.

• 20:30Josh Horowitz?

  Like literally almost to the day.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:33Josh Horowitz?

  I think it came out September 8th, 2006.

• 20:35Speaker 03

  Wow, really?

• 20:37Josh Horowitz?

  How are you celebrating this anniversary this year?

• 20:39Speaker 03

  I had to call Chase. I gotta remind him of that.

• 20:43Josh Horowitz?

  It's been a minute since I've seen the film. If I went back and saw your performance in it, is there evidence of the Oscar nominee that would come?

• 20:51Speaker 03

  I don't know. I, I, no, I, I don't know. I was so, I just really wanted to be ripped in that movie, like everybody else. And, and I was like so under the gun because I don't remember if I told you, like, the producer of that movie called me a month before and said, did you ever see the Staying Alive, the John Travolta movie, which is the sequel that's supposed to Stallone direct or whatever?

• 21:15Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 21:15Speaker 03

  To, to Saturday Night Fever. I said, no.

• 21:17Josh Horowitz?

  That's the movie.

• 21:17Speaker 03

  And he goes, John Travolta in that movie, glistening abs. I want you to look like that. So I didn't know.

• 21:23Josh Horowitz?

  You've got the baby oil. You give, give us the body.

• 21:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. So I didn't know what to do at the time because I hadn't really like gotten into like training that way. So I went to the gym. I went to crunch and I went to this, to this trainer and I said, I need to get these muscles. And he said, all right, well, here's the deal. You gotta, you gotta, we're gonna lift three days a week and you're gonna have to eat a lot. So I was like, okay. So then actually by the time I went to Canada for that movie, I had like gained weight and I was like bigger. And so I, and to some extent fatter, like I wasn't in shape. And so then he told me I had like three weeks to lose all the way. And so that's what I remember about that movie. It's just like, how do I get the swim scene to look like? I'm just, you know, everybody else.

• 22:06Josh Horowitz?

  And then staring at, at Chase and Kitch running around without shirts, just.

• 22:10Speaker 03

  Without shirts. I, I mean, but it was amazing because it was really like, we all made, well, I think with the exception of maybe Stephen Straight, we all, I know we all made $65,000 each.

• 22:25Josh Horowitz?

  Stephen was a level up?

• 22:26Speaker 03

  I think Stephen was a level up. I, I, from what I remember, but $65,000 was like.

• 22:33Josh Horowitz?

  What did you do with the money? Was that, did that feel like a lot at the time?

• 22:35Speaker 03

  It was unbelievable. I'd never, you know, I, I was still working at a restaurant, you know, kind of like doing delivery and, and being a maître d' on the weekends and stuff. It, it was an amazing, that was 2005. I was living on still 42nd Street. Yeah. It was, it was a great paycheck.

• 22:57Josh Horowitz?

  In, in that time, and look, luckily it all happened at different points for each of you, but like when Chase kind of exploded and Kitch exploded on Friday Night Lights, were you like?

• 23:06Speaker 03

  And Toby, because Toby did Robert Bennett's movie. So, so, which was a huge cast and everything. So, and Stephen went on to do 10,000 B.C. and he was, yeah, they were all doing a lot of stuff.

• 23:20Josh Horowitz?

  Did you feel like my time was coming or did you felt behind, like one step behind?

• 23:24Speaker 03

  Of course. I mean, I was, I, I, yeah, I, I did a little bit, which is why when Chase called and said, hey, I'm moving to the city because I got this show. It's called Gossip Girl. I mean, I had booked this play, which made me feel better about myself.

• 23:40Josh Horowitz?

  Talk radio.

• 23:41Speaker 03

  Talk radio. And I was going on Broadway and I was like, okay, this is cool. But then Chase moved to the city and then I ended up getting on that. But yeah, Friday Night Lights was unbelievable.

• 23:51Josh Horowitz?

  We, we, we've talked a lot over the years about some of the near misses. Here's one that came up that we've never talked about. There was a book about the making of Vampire Diaries that said they really wanted you.

• 23:59Speaker 03

  I, yes.

• 24:00Josh Horowitz?

  Is this true that you auditioned or they offered you?

• 24:03Speaker 03

  They did.

• 24:04Josh Horowitz?

  But you were on Kings at the time? Is that sound like?

• 24:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. What happened was, yeah, they offered me Paul Wesley's role.

• 24:12Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 24:12Speaker 03

  And I, yes, I had just, I think, come off Kings and, and I think I was, I was sort of like, I felt really burnt out from like that not working out and just sort of the idea of like thinking, oh, I'm just gonna sign up again for something that probably is not gonna get to the second season. Like I'm, I'm just, and, and I think it was because the covenant sort of was in that supernatural world and, and, and I ended up, yeah, I, I didn't do it. And, and then the show went on to be super, super successful.

• 24:50Josh Horowitz?

  How were you over the years of like the near misses of watching those films or TV shows? Like, could you separate yourself from the Green Lanterns and the Star Treks as we've talked about and all of that stuff? Or did you, are you, you know, because you invest yourself in it and you see a life and then, and then it doesn't happen for you?

• 25:07Speaker 03

  I, I mean, now looking back, I feel, right, I feel grateful in a way because I don't know if I was really ready for that kind of exposure when, when I was younger. I, I, to be honest, I just don't, emotionally and mentally, like I, I, I, I know what I went through in those years and, and, and my focus was, was all over the place. And, and, and so maybe that's just because it worked out the way it did. And this is like my story, but, but I don't, yeah, I, I, I almost feel like I wouldn't, I'm, I'm definitely in a place right now where I wouldn't change anything. So I, so I don't have.

• 25:46Josh Horowitz?

  Look at where you are now. You've got the best opportunities. You've got a kid. You've got a party. Like everything's, everything's working. You got to the right place.

• 25:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. So I, so I can't look back and go, oh, what if? I mean, I, I, I do think, that's why timing is such a big thing. People, you know, it really happens in, in certain ways when I think you're ready. And I just, I think I was a late bloomer in a lot of ways.

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• 27:14Josh Horowitz?

  When you were shooting first Avenger and everybody knows you also went up for cap at the time, was there a tinge of like looking across the way at Chris and being like, you're great, but I could have, I could have been me like on that set at all?

• 27:28Speaker 03

  I don't think so. I mean, I, I, I, no, I, I, you know, I, no, because Chris was so great at that role.

• 27:43Josh Horowitz?

  It was undeniable. It was like, yeah, this is the guy.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  Well, and also he got it. And I was like, at least I don't have to get in shape like that. And I don't even know if I can. I mean, it, it was just, he was so, he just, he was so right for it. It never really crossed my mind. The journey of it was wild. In 2014, when I got the call from a friend that the sequel was being made and was announced to Captain America, Winter Soldier. And I was like, oh my God, they're doing it. Because that's how I found out. Not from them, but.

• 28:12Josh Horowitz?

  From the random friend that's on like deadline or something?

• 28:14Speaker 03

  Yeah. They were like, did you see what's going on at San Diego Comic Con? I said, what? And they're like, they're doing the sequel and you're in the title. And I was like, oh my God, we're going back. Because I had heard about this idea of like the Winter Soldier, Winter Soldier, and it just never happened. So I, I never knew if we were gonna do it. But once that happened, I go, oh, this is definitely a way, this is better for me. This is, I fit better here.

• 28:37Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, I know people always talk to you about like the stuff you haven't gotten to do and you've gotten to do a lot as Winter Soldier, obviously. You can't complain, but like, and you've talked about like, oh, maybe like kind of the leaner, meaner, like down and dirty, kind of like lost years. Like, are you fine at this point? Like if that never happens? Or is that still a conversation that you, that you bring up that comes up with Five Game Company?

• 28:57Speaker 03

  I always bring it up. I mean, I, I, I always bring it up. Even the Captain America thing, I bring it up. I'm like, whatever. Sorry, Anthony. I'm like, whatever. Let's go. You know?

• 29:09Josh Horowitz?

  He's had a run now. He's had a few years.

• 29:11Speaker 03

  Well, I'm just saying, I, I, I'm like, I'm, I'm ready, man. Like, and I'm just saying, like, I, I'm, but I'm at that sweet spot where I can still do some of it where.

• 29:22Josh Horowitz?

  You see the window closing for, I've got some years.

• 29:25Speaker 03

  But you know, you start to think, you go, okay, it's, it's really more in terms of just the, the action bits that you want to do. But I, I, it's hard. It's hard to, because I, I was there for like, in my humble opinion, you know, I, I, I love the films that I was in. I mean, Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame were like.

• 29:49Josh Horowitz?

  Marvel. You got it.

• 29:50Speaker 03

  It was unbelievable time. And, and so I'm so, I'm so biased, I guess, or I'm so protective of it in a way. But, and, and, and I do feel like the evolution of the character was right. I, I don't think, yeah, I don't think it should have gone differently than it did. I, I, I never have any idea about what it is that they want to do, but I still feel that there's something about this character that hasn't totally yet been completed. And I think they know it.

• 30:17Josh Horowitz?

  So we'll hopefully potentially catch.

• 30:19Speaker 03

  Maybe we've completed it in this.

• 30:21Josh Horowitz?

  No, no, no, no. I was gonna say, so, so Doomsday is coming.

• 30:26Speaker 03

  For everyone.

• 30:27Josh Horowitz?

  For every, exactly. And the movie's coming too.

• 30:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 30:31Josh Horowitz?

  So Avengers Doomsday is coming soon. No, that's horrible. So the movie is coming. At this point, do you kind of like just surrender to the experience? Like you get on set, you get eight pages of the script and you trust they're gonna figure it out? Like?

• 30:45Speaker 03

  Well, yeah. And also, I mean, I think it's evolved. The, the filmmaking and the process has evolved. The collaboration has evolved. Of course, it's night and day when you have a script and when you know what you're working on. But at the same time, the caveat here is we've played these characters for years. That's what people forget. We've played them for so many years. So it's, it's not entirely sort of that you're rear ended in the moment when, when you don't know what's going on. I mean, you know how you're gonna react like it's your left hand, right? It's, there's an instinct to the character that immediately, no matter what they throw at you, you're gonna react and you're gonna know that's the right.

• 31:21Josh Horowitz?

  The muscle memory. You've got it.

• 31:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. So, and, and, but it's, it's a process because, because it evolves. It evolves constantly. And this particular one was evolving constantly and I think was being discovered constantly.

• 31:36Speaker 03

  But again, it was it was nice to have it was nice to have the Russo's back.

• 31:42Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 31:43Speaker 03

  And there was something about it that felt really nostalgic, but also uh familiar. And so it was great from that.

• 31:51Josh Horowitz?

  I would think we're gonna get a lot of reunions, none more important than a Bucky Steve first reunion to see you guys back together to see that first.

• 32:00Speaker 03

  There's a lot of reunions. I can't believe it's like public knowledge that he's in the movie now, right? I mean, because he's admitted it.

• 32:07Josh Horowitz?

  Which one, Steve?

• 32:08Speaker 03

  Evans.

• 32:08Josh Horowitz?

  Evans, yes.

• 32:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:09Josh Horowitz?

  Evans in the trailer.

• 32:11Speaker 03

  No, like, yeah, exactly. I mean, I'm just, you see, it's like PTSD.

• 32:14Josh Horowitz?

  So like.

• 32:15Speaker 03

  PTSD from going to, I hope I just didn't, but I I was laughing because he was shooting in the movie and like, and and they had him like isolated to a house in the home somewhere far away like James Bond or, you know, he was like.

• 32:29Josh Horowitz?

  Right, sequestered for.

• 32:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, and and and I go, how are you doing? Because no one can know you're in England for this long period of time. How are you doing it? Um, felt like a great secret, but it's a. Yeah, it it it it's interesting because again, you're always finding new levels of the character when they're opposite, different people. The thing for me in this was I just sort of realized halfway point, I was like, I think I'm like Clint Eastwood in this group, meaning like, I'm just, I'm just like the guy in Unforgiven, you know, the the kind of sort of like older bitter guy.

• 33:09Josh Horowitz?

  That's a fun guy to be.

• 33:11Speaker 03

  Pulled, pulled it again, because it was sort of, what is the comedy of this character?

• 33:15Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 33:15Speaker 03

  Really tough. It has to be very dry. And at least that was a discovery. Again, going back to Captain America, Winter Soldier and and and finding kind of the humor level with this was really interesting and then new, so.

• 33:28Josh Horowitz?

  So straight man opposite these big weird.

• 33:30Speaker 03

  Somebody has to be the straight man. And and I mean, in the group of the Thunderbolts, it's just, it's a little bit ridiculous because they're all psychos.

• 33:37Josh Horowitz?

  Right. So you are, you're in the middle of the Batman part two, right?

• 33:43Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 33:43Josh Horowitz?

  Shooting that right now.

• 33:44Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 33:44Josh Horowitz?

  Kept the bald head. Matt Reeves said, stick with it. He liked the look.

• 33:48Speaker 03

  Uh, I I I I guess, I mean, I I suppose.

• 33:54Josh Horowitz?

  So past conversations we've had, Batman's come up. I of course, ask every actor about playing Batman and you brought up with me and others. Uh, like Riddler was the character you wanted to play way back when. Did you have conversations like they obviously did Paul Dano in the last one? Did you ever get a chance to talk about playing Riddler?

• 34:11Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no, no. Um, because they did it the last one.

• 34:17Josh Horowitz?

  I'm saying for the last one, like.

• 34:18Speaker 03

  No, no, I didn't. No, no, absolutely not. No, never. I the the DC thing was honestly always sort of a kind of like a joke in my mind. I was like, there's never, there's no way that I'm ever gonna end up.

• 34:35Josh Horowitz?

  Because you're so identified with Marvel?

• 34:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, in my head, I just thought, you know, and and so it was kind of a wild opportunity, but I I know I've um, I've spoken about this before. Uh, I said in Toronto, but Matt had seen, uh, you know, The Apprentice and was really liked the film and my work in that. And then and then so sort of like that inspired a conversation and and um, and subsequently around the same time, I was kind of poking the bear a bit over over there with James Gunn going.

• 35:08Speaker 03

  I think we should figure something out. I I, because I've just gotten more active about.

• 35:13Josh Horowitz?

  Manifesting your own.

• 35:14Speaker 03

  Going out, yeah, yeah. But it's it's um, I know we were talking before we started.

• 35:20Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 35:20Speaker 03

  Recording everything, but it really is, it's very, it's one of the most challenging situations I've been involved in. And I and I say that. I mean, I feel like it's hard to talk about it without it being uh, sort of becoming some speculative thing from some corner, but it's really um, I think it's a very ambitious thing and I hope it lands right. I I I I have a lot of faith in it because I just, I do feel like Matt is truly like a a genius of our time and and one of the very few people that I think is so unique and so specific and and has been at this for three years. I mean, it's not an accident. Like, he really, really honed, you know, he knows what he's doing. And and so

• 36:04Speaker 03

  uh, I'm just happy to be part of that vision because I I do feel like it's it's ambitious, but I think it I I just think it's gonna be great.

• 36:13Josh Horowitz?

  The the, I'm not obviously gonna fish for who you're playing because there's a lot of conjecture about who you're playing.

• 36:17Speaker 03

  Right.

• 36:18Josh Horowitz?

  Not all of it is right clearly because they're about.

• 36:20Speaker 03

  I mean, you know.

• 36:22Josh Horowitz?

  Sorry?

• 36:23Speaker 03

  I'm Batman.

• 36:24Josh Horowitz?

  That's the choice. It's got the voice.

• 36:26Speaker 03

  Who else?

• 36:27Josh Horowitz?

  Obviously.

• 36:28Speaker 03

  I mean.

• 36:28Josh Horowitz?

  Where's Rob?

• 36:31Speaker 03

  Right.

• 36:31Josh Horowitz?

  You're someone other than Batman. Is it a challenging role? Like, I mean, is it a physically challenging role? Is it a mentally challenging role? Is it uncharted territory for you?

• 36:38Speaker 03

  I I feel, you know, you named these films before we've been talking about these last couple of years and and so I I don't know now anymore how to not get involved in something that's not challenging or a real uh, or real departure in a lot of ways. And I and I would say that this is this that this is definitely for me feeling like something very different than I've gotten to do. And that's what I love and and I'm excited about. Um, and um, and and yeah, I I, you know, I I I think, I think at the end of the day, that's what it should be. I I just, I I just wanna keep trying to do different things. And at some point, I'm gonna face plant. Maybe this will be it, you know, but but um, yeah, so far, so good.

• 37:23Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, you must, you kind of get addicted to kind of like this high wire act at a certain point, right? Once you're kind of like doing the risky shit that sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. It's like, why go backwards and play it safe like it's working for you and collect all the cool filmmakers you can right now while they're taking your calls? Like, do it.

• 37:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, yeah, I I don't, when else, you you only have one shot in life.

• 37:49Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 37:50Speaker 03

  And and you should jump off a cliff because what else is the point of of of being careful about it? I mean, I I don't think this is a business to be careful in. I I I don't. And and and the more that I feel sort of the the response being trying to put you in a box, the more I see how people react to things I do, you know, and and they get all up in arms that I'm not following whatever little road they have carved out for for me in their minds or whatever, the more I want to go the other way. And I love that. And and so like, I I'm I'm down. I, but I'm also at a point where I go, maybe I should, maybe I should do a romantic comedy or something.

• 38:30Josh Horowitz?

  Well, that would be a zigzag. That'd be a zag for you at this point. So that in and of itself is different.

• 38:35Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 38:35Josh Horowitz?

  Um, I expect being very busy with promoting, shooting, being a dad, you're not watching much, but are you watching anything? Like, what's what's TV, film, anything you've seen?

• 38:46Speaker 03

  I um, I watched this movie. I watched this movie that I thought it was incredible called Blue Heron.

• 38:51Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, I missed that. I heard good things.

• 38:52Speaker 03

  The other day, yeah, it's a, it's a Canadian filmmaker. Um, and and and that was an incredible film. I watched, uh, um, I weirdly have been, I went back to watch The Last Dance.

• 39:06Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, great.

• 39:06Speaker 03

  The Michael Jordan thing. And and I've been wanting to watch the Novak um, tennis documentary. I I don't know why I need, certainly the sports stuff is sort of coming coming back for me because I I I I think they're great examples of perseverance.

• 39:21Josh Horowitz?

  Yep.

• 39:22Speaker 03

  And getting through um difficult kind of challenging times. So I.

• 39:28Josh Horowitz?

  You're a, you're a true crime guy too, aren't you? I feel like I've heard you say.

• 39:32Speaker 03

  I do watch true crime.

• 39:33Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 39:34Speaker 03

  Um,

• 39:36Speaker 03

  I had something like feel guilty about it. I uh.

• 39:39Josh Horowitz?

  You have to see Primetime, the, your buddy Rob's film, the Chris Hansen.

• 39:42Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, I definitely want to see that. That thing looks unbelievable. And by the way, Some Kind of Heaven is such a, the documentary that lands on line with it is so a great.

• 39:53Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 39:53Speaker 03

  Um.

• 39:54Josh Horowitz?

  Dude, I just saw his Elizabeth Holmes doc, the uh.

• 39:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean.

• 39:58Josh Horowitz?

  Thing, it's insane.

• 39:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I do. Uh, well, that one apparently people are talking about. There's a lot of um, you know, like I want to see La Bola Negra. Everyone's talking about that. Um, I think the debut is.

• 40:10Josh Horowitz?

  Loved it.

• 40:11Speaker 03

  Feels like a movie I would die to be in, you know?

• 40:14Josh Horowitz?

  You'll like, you'll enjoy.

• 40:15Speaker 03

  There's a lot.

• 40:16Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, I got some questions from your fans. You ready? Let's do these rapid fire.

• 40:19Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 40:20Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, let's see, this is not even really a rapid fire, but let's see what we can do. Amy wants to know if your view on acting in the industry has evolved as you've grown and gained experience with it. And we, that's kind of, we've been talking about this this throughout, but like, would you say that you have a much different view on approaching acting, the industry?

• 40:37Speaker 03

  Abs- absolutely. Uh, I I've I've gone from really trying very hard to get it right and and and be accepted and and and be hired to um, to fucking cut my own path and and and don't give a fuck about what anybody says and just and just just do what what you connect to and and find the thing that like sticks out or that's different, you know? So so in that regard.

• 41:08Josh Horowitz?

  Love it. Emily, this is just as important. What's your hair care routine?

• 41:12Speaker 03

  My hair care routine?

• 41:13Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Well, listen, you know, um.

• 41:16Josh Horowitz?

  How much time do you have? Yeah.

• 41:18Speaker 03

  I guess I'm like plugging a, you know, no pun, you know, no, no pun intended. I'm, I'm plugging in a Nutraful. I think I've been taking some Nutraful, you know, I'm just, I, I like, I was thinking the other day, I'm like, it's gonna be so long since, since I've seen my own hair. Like, I, I'm, I'm totally a hundred percent believing it's gonna come in like white. By the time.

• 41:39Josh Horowitz?

  Steve Martin series comes in.

• 41:40Speaker 03

  Like by the time it grows back, it's gonna be like totally a different color.

• 41:44Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, my god.

• 41:44Speaker 03

  Uh, if it goes back properly, but, um.

• 41:47Josh Horowitz?

  Just three patches of white.

• 41:48Speaker 03

  Like my hair routine?

• 41:49Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, your hair routine.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  I don't, I honestly am not that good about it. Like, to be honest, I, I, uh, I think I try to take cold showers because I heard it's really good also for your scalp. So I do that.

• 42:00Josh Horowitz?

  Cold, what about the cold plunge? And don't everybody do that?

• 42:02Speaker 03

  Cold plunges are great. You should definitely do them.

• 42:04Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 42:05Speaker 03

  Not after lifting, though.

• 42:06Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, I'll try to avoid it.

• 42:07Speaker 03

  Once on earth.

• 42:08Josh Horowitz?

  Um, Mariana wants to know, she says that you've been learning Spanish. I don't know what her intel is on this. What's your favorite word or phrase in the language?

• 42:16Speaker 03

  Dulce.

• 42:17Josh Horowitz?

  And that is?

• 42:18Speaker 03

  Sweet. Um, and, uh, I also like the saying, en todo caso.

• 42:27Josh Horowitz?

  That is?

• 42:28Speaker 03

  It's basically, in either way, you know, no matter what. Um, but, and also que será, que será, which is whatever will be, will be. But, but I have been learning Spanish for a new film that I'm, that we're doing next year. Yeah.

• 42:41Josh Horowitz?

  Do we know about this? What do we got?

• 42:43Speaker 03

  It's called Impunity. And it's about, uh, uh, former dictator Pinochet's, uh, arrest in London in the nineties. So it's a comedy.

• 42:53Josh Horowitz?

  Who's, do I know the filmmaker?

• 42:55Speaker 03

  Felipe Galvez is his name, and he did a movie called The Settlers that was, um, at a certain regard in, in Cannes a couple of years ago in 2023, and it just was, blew me away. So, um, again, a different, different challenge and, you know, it's so much harder to learn languages later on. So it's, yeah.

• 43:13Josh Horowitz?

  How's that going?

• 43:14Speaker 03

  Trying. It's good. It's good. It's closer to Romanian, so it's okay.

• 43:17Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Um, ET's illegitimate child, that's quite a handle, wants to know, do you snore?

• 43:23Speaker 03

  Uh, I've been told.

• 43:28Speaker 03

  I have been told, yeah.

• 43:30Josh Horowitz?

  Um, Daphne wants to know, is there a ritual habit routine that you bring with you to every project? Like, what's the thing that stayed consistent? Is there like a superstition or approach day one?

• 43:42Speaker 03

  Uh,

• 43:46Speaker 03

  I, I don't know because each thing ends up kind of developing its own kind of routine. Um, so I, I, uh, but I, I definitely feel now before,

• 44:00Speaker 03

  um, I, I, like, it's in the prep, before we start shooting.

• 44:07Speaker 03

  You know, I have to kind of lock myself in a room for like six hours a, a, a day kind of thing and just.

• 44:13Josh Horowitz?

  Dredge it all up to the, to whatever.

• 44:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's sort of this weird incubation process or something. I don't know, of, of, of sensory exposure and, and, and that's where all the ideas come and the, the, the stuff that's not that great fizzles out and maybe something, but yeah, that.

• 44:30Josh Horowitz?

  This is an important one. Jenny is asking the most important question that I want to know. Because we talked about this last time. Are we getting any closer to a Sebastian Stan, Chris Evans stage collaboration? Remember, we tried to manifest.

• 44:42Speaker 03

  I know, and you asked him about it.

• 44:43Josh Horowitz?

  I did.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, you did. I, I think we are. I think we are.

• 44:47Josh Horowitz?

  Is it Speed the Plow? You wanted Speed the Plow.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  I, I, I do want Speed the Plow. I haven't really gotten him to, he hasn't, I don't think he's read it. I mean, I, I feel like we're just gonna communicate with each other through you. And you're gonna bring this up to him and he's gonna be like, why aren't we talking about this? But it has to be, I think it's gonna happen. I think it's gonna happen at some point. It's just about timing and everything, but.

• 45:09Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 45:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:11Josh Horowitz?

  Um, are there, you almost worked with Brady Corbeil once upon a time, or what's the, is he on, high on the list? Like?

• 45:18Speaker 03

  Hundred percent. Yeah, I was just, uh.

• 45:20Josh Horowitz?

  What's the current list right now?

• 45:22Speaker 03

  Oh, my god, I was just, uh, checking up on him, uh, you know, uh, and seeing how he's doing. Sounds like he's shooting an epic.

• 45:30Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, fast spenders in it.

• 45:32Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, so, uh, but he, yeah, he's, I mean, he's incredible. And then there's also a little bit of a story with him, only because I remember kind of going to auditions and seeing him early on, like, we sort of were.

• 45:48Josh Horowitz?

  When he was acting.

• 45:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, when he was acting, really early on, and then he was in my class, the 2024 class. And so we, we, uh, you know, I feel like this weird kinship of having gone through, through that process with him in a way. And it was just so crazy and, and something happens there where you, when you've kind of gone through with those people.

• 46:08Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 46:09Speaker 03

  You know, you, um, so he's a favorite, but you're asking me like who else kind of thing?

• 46:13Josh Horowitz?

  Generally, right now, who's the, who are, uh, in this age of manifestation for you, who are you trying to get?

• 46:18Speaker 03

  I'm always, I'm always, um, I'm always like loosely chasing Corrali Farge.

• 46:24Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Uh, I really, I'm.

• 46:28Josh Horowitz?

  Substance, right? Do I have that right?

• 46:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, from Substance. Um,

• 46:33Speaker 03

  obviously, Ollie is, remains someone I definitely want to work with. Aaron, Aaron Schimberg, I also call all the time and I go, Aaron, it's time.

• 46:40Josh Horowitz?

  For folks that haven't seen a different man.

• 46:42Speaker 03

  We have to start again. I, I, so I, it, it's interesting because some of these people that I've worked with, I think you want to go back to them because.

• 46:48Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  Um, that's why I see why people end up working together. But there's a lot of.

• 46:53Josh Horowitz?

  You ever had the Nolan meeting? Have you ever had the?

• 46:55Speaker 03

  I've never had the Nolan me, I mean, who wouldn't?

• 46:59Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 46:59Speaker 03

  Want to get a call from, from him. Uh, there's a gazillion people out there. I, uh, now I'm like.

• 47:09Josh Horowitz?

  You're like, this is my shot and I'm blowing it.

• 47:11Speaker 03

  But, but, but to, but to be honest with you, I actually really debated writing like Jesse Eisenberg. And just going, hey, man, listen, I just, I don't know what you're, you know, if you're ever keeping me in mind, and if you're doing whatever you're doing, like, keep me in mind, because I'm.

• 47:27Josh Horowitz?

  You're down for whatever he's doing?

• 47:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:29Josh Horowitz?

  I'm sure he'll do the podcast this season. I'm gonna help you out, buddy.

• 47:31Speaker 03

  He's amazing. I, he, he's amazing. And I, and I, again, someone I met really early on, was just starting out, you know?

• 47:39Josh Horowitz?

  No, the new movie's great. Hey, man, um, Julianne, Giamatti, you're gonna love it. Okay. We're gonna do this. This is something we've done in recent months with people with amazing filmographies that have enough to justify this. We're gonna anoint your best movie of all time, Sebastian, bracket style.

• 47:53Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 47:53Josh Horowitz?

  So I'm gonna pit some against each other. This is just right now, in the moment today.

• 47:57Speaker 03

  Right.

• 47:57Josh Horowitz?

  Obviously, it could change tomorrow, but if you're choosing the best Sebastian Stan movie, I, Tanya versus A Different Man, I know.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  Oh, my god, that's so hard.

• 48:08Josh Horowitz?

  Just, just today, just today.

• 48:09Speaker 03

  If I was choosing, it's like Sophie's Choice. I feel like those movies are, I, I, I, uh, I, I, I, I mean.

• 48:20Josh Horowitz?

  Today, right now.

• 48:21Speaker 03

  Well, I think maybe I would go with A Different Man because, um, because I was just so much more evolved in terms of where I was at when that film was being made.

• 48:33Josh Horowitz?

  Fresh versus Thunderbolts?

• 48:36Speaker 03

  Fresh, I mean, a hundred percent.

• 48:38Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Winter Soldier versus The Apprentice?

• 48:43Josh Horowitz?

  That's a tough, that's the toughest one. That's.

• 48:46Speaker 03

  So insane because in my head, there isn't one without the other. Like, it, it, it's just, it's, it's there. Um, I, I, I can't, I, I, that's such a, I hate you for asking me that.

• 49:02Josh Horowitz?

  Um, today it's this, tomorrow it's the other. Today it's.

• 49:06Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, I mean, I guess today will be the, it will, it would be The Apprentice. Yeah.

• 49:11Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. And then, most importantly, The Covenant versus Hot Tub Time Machine?

• 49:15Speaker 03

  I'll go with, I'll go with The Covenant because it's, it's always gonna be there, no matter what.

• 49:22Josh Horowitz?

  Now, we're getting to the, towards the end. A Different Man versus Fresh?

• 49:27Speaker 03

  A Different Man.

• 49:28Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Apprentice versus The Covenant. No one has ever done that.

• 49:33Speaker 03

  Apprentice.

• 49:34Josh Horowitz?

  Now, for all the marble, Sebastian, A Different Man versus The Apprentice. The greatest Sebastian Stan film of all time is?

• 49:43Speaker 03

  I, I think, I think, uh, I think I'll have to go with A Different Man because.

• 49:48Josh Horowitz?

  I love it. Yes.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  It's, uh, you know,

• 49:52Speaker 03

  uh, not, not to knock anything about real people, um, as I, as I find it, you know, and hold it just as much in, in a regard, but I just think A Different Man is, was one of the most original things I'd ever.

• 50:06Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  Read or come across and I, and there's still, in terms of originality, I, I, some, something still has to beat that.

• 50:14Josh Horowitz?

  I love it. Okay, I'm gonna let you go on this. You've done most of the profoundly random questions before, so we don't need to rehash all, but you're still a dog guy over cats, dogs? Yes?

• 50:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:23Josh Horowitz?

  Dogs, collecting, last time it was books, anything new you're collecting?

• 50:29Speaker 03

  Um,

• 50:31Speaker 03

  yeah, no, it is. Books is, is probably still working, yeah.

• 50:35Josh Horowitz?

  I don't think I asked you what your favorite video game of all time is.

• 50:38Speaker 03

  Oh, I loved Warcraft II. Uh, I was very big in Warcraft II.

• 50:44Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, I can see that. You got serious.

• 50:45Speaker 03

  Blizzard, yeah, entertainment, yeah, when it, when it was the original, I mean, back in 2000, uh, no, 1997, 98. And then Starcraft, I got into a bit too.

• 50:57Josh Horowitz?

  Are you gonna, are you gonna do the GTA VI? Everybody's talking about Grand Theft Auto this season. It's gonna make a gajillion dollars.

• 51:03Speaker 03

  Here's what hap, I, I, when high school ended for me, I just, for some reason, like, I didn't follow through. So I know of Grand Theft Auto, but I didn't see, I don't know it very well.

• 51:13Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, current wallpaper on your phone?

• 51:16Speaker 03

  Uh, it's my, it's my kid.

• 51:20Josh Horowitz?

  This is the appropriate answer. Uh, last actor you were mistaken for?

• 51:25Speaker 03

  Um, very good question. Um, oh, god, I, I, I can't. It would, I, I, I don't know. I don't, it's been a while since I've been mistaken.

• 51:38Josh Horowitz?

  That's a good sign. That means you made it.

• 51:42Josh Horowitz?

  It's the, forget the Oscar nomination. That, sure, that's important, but the fact that no one confuses you with anybody.

• 51:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, there are some funny instances, but I can't remember. I can't come off the top of my head. I know.

• 51:52Josh Horowitz?

  We'll save it for the fifth time on the podcast.

• 51:54Speaker 03

  I know. I'll have to come back.

• 51:55Josh Horowitz?

  You have to come back for the hat, if nothing else.

• 51:58Speaker 03

  It's a pleasure, man.

• 52:00Josh Horowitz?

  It's always a pleasure.

• 52:00Speaker 03

  Thank you for having me. Thank you for watching the movie.

• 52:02Josh Horowitz?

  No, I'm happy to support. Honestly, this is, is one of the best I've seen in quite a while. Fjord is the film. Um, you, Renata, Christian Manju, it's, it's engrossing, it is provocative, it is, it's a thinker. It's one that you're gonna talk about in the best possible way.

• 52:18Speaker 03

  I think so. We still need those a little bit here and there.

• 52:20Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, definitely. Um, you're always welcome, man. I appreciate you always. We did it.

• 52:24Speaker 03

  Thank you, my friend.

• 52:25Josh Horowitz?

  Thank you, buddy.

• 52:25Speaker 03

  I'll see you.

• 52:27Speaker 04

  And so ends another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Remember to review, rate, and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley, and I definitely wasn't pressured to do this by Josh.

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