Jenna Ortega

Jenna Ortega joins the pod! Jenna is talented, introspective, and has great taste in movies. Here, she sits down with Josh to talk about her latest film, Taika Waititi’s KLARA AND THE SUN. Other topics of discussion include why she didn’t think WEDNESDAY would work, why she gravitated towards horror films, navigating fan encounters, why she’s making her way through Arnold Schwarzenegger and Tom Cruise’s filmographies, and more! SUPPORT THE SHOW BY SUPPORTING OUR SPONSORS! Rula -- Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/happy #rulapod Quince -- Go to ⁠Quince.com/HAPPYSAD ⁠for free shipping and 365-day returns. Limited Time Offer–Get Huel today with my exclusive offer of 15% OFF online with my code happy15 at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://huel.com/happy15.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ New Customers Only. Thank you to Huel for partnering and supporting our show! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:53Speaker 02

  When people started freaking out over it, or starting to recognize, or there was a sudden burst and sort of explosion and everything. I just, it really felt like some sick mind.

• 1:07Josh Horowitz?

  This is a major prank guy.

• 1:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just thought there's no way. Like, that's still to this day, I'm a little confused.

• 1:15Josh Horowitz?

  It's a very expensive prank to put on you. We're three seasons in, we're still, we're still streaming this out just for the long con against Jenna Ortega.

• 1:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just love to never be comfortable.

• 1:24Speaker 04

  Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins.

• 1:32Josh Horowitz?

  Hey guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. Today on the show, she's kind of a big deal. You ready for this? Jenna Ortega is on the show, talking Wednesday, Clara and the Sun and more. Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out the podcast. Remember, hit that subscribe button on YouTube, on Spotify, however you're doing it, that is up to you. I endeavor every week to give you one or two, usually two, great conversations. And today we have a really special one. Because Jenna Ortega is, yes, she's ginormously famous, but beyond that, she is exceptionally talented, has such a bright future ahead of her and in front of her right now. She is absolutely killing it. She, of course, starred in the first two seasons of Wednesday.

• 2:16Josh Horowitz?

  Don't worry, a third season is in the books, coming soon. She is currently starring in Clara and the Sun, directed by none other than Taika Waititi. Check it out, it's in theaters. If you're watching this on the day that this episode drops, I think it's out tomorrow. So check it out. Taika Waititi directing, based on a bestseller, co-starring Amy Adams. Clara and the Sun tells the story of a artificial friend of sorts that a mom gets for her daughter. And that artificial friend is played by none other than Jenna Ortega. It is a different kind of Jenna Ortega performance than you've seen. Forget the dry, aster but kind of goth thing going in Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice and Wednesday. This shows off new colors and I know that's why it appealed to her, among many other reasons.

• 3:01Josh Horowitz?

  I'm really excited this happened. This has been a long time in the making. I've wanted Jenna on the podcast for years. We've been kind of talking about this for a while and finally it happened. I think this is her first podcast in maybe four years. She really doesn't do long form conversations like this. So as always, I have to say, I am so indebted to her, to her folks for trusting me with this great chat. And I had a blast. She is 24 going on 44. She seems like the most sophisticated young woman out there, has great taste in movies and music and pop culture. We had a lot of fun talking about the things we're into, in terms of film especially.

• 3:40Josh Horowitz?

  I've sent her over an action movie cheat sheet, because that's her latest obsession, is to try to learn from the oeuvre of Arnold Schwarzenegger. And if there's an oeuvre I know, it is Arnold Schwarzenegger. So this was a fun chat. Of course, this talks about her beginnings, kind of her evolution from Disney star to Wednesday and beyond, kind of becoming a horror icon in her own right in recent years. Clara and the Sun and her, her hopes and dreams going forward. She's about to play a gymnast in Mary Bronstein's new film, which I'm really excited about. This is, of course, the filmmaker that did If I Had Legs, I'd Kick You. So, you know, it's going to be special. Anyway, that is the main event today. Jenna Ortega, thrilled that she's on the podcast at last.

• 4:20Josh Horowitz?

  If you like what I do, I will remind you guys, check out our Patreon, patreon.com/happy, sad, confused for early access to every single episode we do here. Access to our live events in New York City. We have a ton of really, really cool ones coming up. I don't know if there are any that are officially on the 92Y website or in the notes yet, but they are coming very soon, probably four or five in the next few months that are like high profile, major events. So now is a good time to check out our Patreon, patreon.com/happy, sad, confused. If you want to get in on live events and autographed merch and all that kind of fun stuff. Patreon.com/happy, sad, confused. Okay, main event time. Here we go. Enjoy this conversation. She's, like I said, she's a big deal, guys. Strap in, here we go.

• 5:05Josh Horowitz?

  Jenna Ortega and me, enjoy. Jenna?

• 5:09Speaker 02

  Josh?

• 5:09Josh Horowitz?

  We're doing the podcast.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  I'm so excited.

• 5:11Josh Horowitz?

  I'm more excited than you, I think. I don't know what bet you lost, but you don't do a lot of these.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  No, I don't do podcasts a lot. There's just something about long form interviews that makes me a little hesitant. I don't know why.

• 5:23Josh Horowitz?

  There's so much opportunity to say the wrong thing and to...

• 5:26Speaker 02

  Not even about saying the wrong thing, it's just, I, my social battery is naturally very low.

• 5:35Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 5:35Speaker 02

  And then I go through really intense spurts and then I crash. So I just have a fear, even if I head into an interview feeling, hey, okay, I think I can do this. 10 minutes later, I'm like, oh, I, I don't make any sense. I sound drunk, I...

• 5:52Josh Horowitz?

  These are, these are my only conversations. Like, I have no social battery outside of this podcast. If I didn't have the podcast, I would be a hermit, a recluse. Like, I, no, truly, like, this is my outlet of interacting with the world.

• 6:03Speaker 02

  Aww.

• 6:04Josh Horowitz?

  So thank you for that. This is really a service to me.

• 6:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I, I understand that, too.

• 6:10Josh Horowitz?

  We were talking about a great many things today. You're spreading the good word of Clara and the Sun, congratulations.

• 6:14Speaker 02

  Thank you very much.

• 6:15Josh Horowitz?

  How's the press tour? It's just like, you know, you're doing a couple cities, doing the Rome, the London.

• 6:20Speaker 02

  Touch of things. It's been really great, the press that we're doing so far, because it's in, a majority of it has been film festivals or film heavy cities. So London Film Festival, I'd never been to, the Rome Film Festival, I hadn't been to. And I was really surprised by the Italians and how much they love cinema and their passion and how engaging they were. I just, regardless of whether or not I'm promoting something, going to film festivals feels like such a treat. So I've been really lucky this tour.

• 6:51Josh Horowitz?

  It's the best. Film festivals are the best. I, it's the best part of my job is like, every year I go to Telluride, I go to Toronto.

• 6:58Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 6:59Josh Horowitz?

  Sundance a lot. You've done some of those, Sundance, I assume, at some point?

• 7:03Speaker 02

  Sundance, I just did for the first time this year, which I was grateful to do last one in Park City.

• 7:08Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 7:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:10Josh Horowitz?

  Have you done the, you haven't done Telluride yet? You gotta do it.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  Nope. No, but I'm dying to.

• 7:14Josh Horowitz?

  You're gonna love it.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, that's coming up.

• 7:18Josh Horowitz?

  It came up over Labor Day.

• 7:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:19Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:20Speaker 02

  Oh, it's, it just passed.

• 7:21Josh Horowitz?

  Just happened.

• 7:21Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 7:22Josh Horowitz?

  You'll make it happen. You're gonna get there. It's a long career, just getting started.

• 7:25Speaker 02

  It's okay.

• 7:27Josh Horowitz?

  So let's get the important stuff out of the way. I was obviously combing the interwebs for important research. IMDb claims these are your nicknames. Are these your nicknames?

• 7:36Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm so scared.

• 7:37Josh Horowitz?

  Ri Ri, Bonzo Dog and Bonzo?

• 7:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're not the main ones.

• 7:43Josh Horowitz?

  They're second tier?

• 7:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:45Josh Horowitz?

  So can you give me a little backstory on Ri Ri, Bonzo Dog and Bonzo?

• 7:48Speaker 02

  Ri Ri is because my middle name is Marie and my parents used to call me Jenna Ri. And then they just started calling me Ri Ri. It also took an adaptation, Ri Ri Licious. And that was one that I gave to my parents because they were calling me from the room. They're like, Jenna, come over here, we need you for a second. And I refused to come out and they started getting mad and they said, Jenna, Ri Ri, Ri Ri, Ri Ri. And I came out in these little plastic heels that I had stolen from my doll.

• 8:16Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  And a feather boa. And I said, it's not Ri Ri, it's Ri Ri Licious.

• 8:20Josh Horowitz?

  I've just reinvented.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  Because I loved Fergie when I was six years old.

• 8:24Josh Horowitz?

  It all makes sense now. Wait, this is six years old?

• 8:26Speaker 02

  This is six. I may have even been five.

• 8:29Josh Horowitz?

  Wow.

• 8:29Speaker 02

  I was really adamant about them calling me Ri Ri Licious.

• 8:32Josh Horowitz?

  Does anybody call you Ri Ri Licious now?

• 8:34Speaker 02

  No.

• 8:35Josh Horowitz?

  Let's bring it back.

• 8:36Speaker 02

  Maybe my mother every once in a while, but it's...

• 8:37Josh Horowitz?

  Maybe you should change your professional name from Jenna Ortega, just to go by Ri Ri Licious.

• 8:41Speaker 02

  Well, I'm kind of pissed that nobody told me that stage names were a thing. Like, I remember when I first got my SAG card.

• 8:46Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  After I had worked three union jobs and I went and filling out the form and it said stage name. And I asked my mom, I said, what's a stage name? She said, I think it's just your name. Like, what do you want to be called? People have such great names.

• 8:59Josh Horowitz?

  What's your favorite? What are you, what are you jealous of?

• 9:02Speaker 02

  Um, we, Winona and I kind of talked about it a little bit. Winona Ryder is an incredible...

• 9:08Josh Horowitz?

  Winona Horowitz, that's her real name.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's, it's amazing. Drop the Laura, like the whole...

• 9:14Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 9:16Speaker 02

  Even my friend, Mikey Madison, like...

• 9:18Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 9:19Speaker 02

  I know her nickname was just Mikey, but...

• 9:21Josh Horowitz?

  The alliteration always helps.

• 9:23Speaker 02

  Yes. Then again, in hindsight, I wouldn't have wanted to go by Ri Ri Ortega or something like that. And at eight years old, I wasn't coming up with anything. Spectacular, I don't think.

• 9:34Josh Horowitz?

  I did, I, by the way, I, I hit up our mutual Winona, trying to get any kind of intel, anything.

• 9:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:40Josh Horowitz?

  She might be the worst texter on the planet Earth, though. She, is she, is she, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get a response in nine to 10 months. I know that.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  It depends. She's either on it or she's not.

• 9:49Josh Horowitz?

  She's not on it for me.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  But when she sends it, she's very sweet.

• 9:52Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, there's a lot.

• 9:53Speaker 02

  So many, I've taken on a habit of hers that is just dot, dot, dot, dot.

• 9:58Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 9:58Speaker 02

  Like, for no reason, in the middle of a sentence, it's just dot, dot, dot, dot, like she's thinking.

• 10:02Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  And now I do that all the time, too. And I think I've, I've stolen that.

• 10:07Josh Horowitz?

  No, there's nothing better than getting just like a, a black heart from Winona.

• 10:11Speaker 02

  Ton of those, ton of those. Yeah, it's her favorite emoji, I think.

• 10:15Josh Horowitz?

  Fits.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:16Josh Horowitz?

  So, okay, let's, let's, um, let's start on Clara, then we're gonna go backwards. Um, I mean, you've had the luxury and the opportunity the last few years to kind of like start to make some big choices for yourself. Like, most actors in their career, it's the luxury of choice, right? And this has kind of happened mostly to you in the last five years, since Wednesday. And of course, Wednesday takes up a lot of time and space.

• 10:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:37Josh Horowitz?

  So what are you, like, where were you at when this one came around? Because, I mean, I can see from the outside looking in, I can, I can guess on why this appealed to you, but in terms of contrast from Wednesday, et cetera.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, honestly, it's, it's, I, I wouldn't, I definitely, you know, Wednesday came out and I had a lot more opportunity and that was so exciting and I'm so grateful for everything. A lot of what I've been sent or a lot of what's... Uh, I had come my way. It was just a lot of nasty teenager, nasty teenager, you know. Um, they told me about Clara in the sun. I didn't, I didn't know what that was. Said it was based off a book. They said it was based off of an Ishiguro book. I went, oh, okay. Remains of the day, never let me go. Okay. I'm listening. I read the book and I thought, um, okay. There's something here. He, his writing is very nuanced and

• 11:32Speaker 02

  thought provoking and I like that he could take very simple, simple storylines, but are so dense in theme and emotional intelligence and nature. So I thought, okay, well, this would be kind of uh, there might be some interesting dynamics to play here. And then Taika reached out because it, it always actually pitched me in the same breath. But anyway, then I thought about Taika and Taika is so optimistic and bright in his storytelling. And I thought that that was a really weird pair for the book. So then I thought, okay, but sometimes that

• 12:15Speaker 02

  does something quite nice. So I spoke to him and I, I understood that he wanted this peppier, kind of more naive Clara and uh, upon conversation with him, it started to make more and more sense. But for me, I was just excited that something different was coming my way.

• 12:35Josh Horowitz?

  Hundred percent.

• 12:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:36Josh Horowitz?

  So yeah, what are the things you're seeing? Like, is, is it just what I would expect? Like goth, young women, goth teenagers.

• 12:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's just goth teenagers, bitty teenager, you know, just um,

• 12:47Josh Horowitz?

  You've got that on lockdown. You've like, I've done it a couple of times.

• 12:49Speaker 02

  I've done it a few times. Yeah. And, and you, you want something that kind of challenges you or, you know, on, on a set like Clara, I didn't really get to be lazy about anything because Taika also was very spontaneous and liked to come up with stuff and throw out concepts as you were shooting. So he'd be there with a megaphone and you'd be in this wheat field and he would be shouting, you know, well, now try to roll down the hill. Okay. Well, now you're happy. No, you're not happy anymore. Now you're sad. Make this face, make that face. Say this instead. You would look at sides and he would go, oh, sweetie, like you throw those away. Like this is not what we're doing today.

• 13:30Speaker 02

  Which was terrifying at first, but then you learn to kind of love it because it's a different way of working and forces you to not overthink so much.

• 13:41Josh Horowitz?

  Right. It's giving yourself over to someone and you need, that obviously requires a lot of trust.

• 13:47Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 13:47Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, I've seen a few filmmakers do that. I've been on like some Adam McKay sets. He's infamous with like the bullhorn. Just like, oh my God, just throwing out the craziest shit at people. And it sounds like Taika. I mean, he is such a spontaneous live wire of a human being.

• 14:00Speaker 02

  Yes, he is.

• 14:01Josh Horowitz?

  It like permeates all of his films. Like that's energy, that enthusiasm, that optimism.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I think that's an interesting quality to have as a filmmaker too. It's like you see a

• 14:13Speaker 02

  frame of one of Taika's movies and you can kind of get a gist that, okay, it makes a lot of sense.

• 14:18Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 14:18Speaker 02

  You know, to, so to be so obvious in your aesthetic and vision is interesting to me.

• 14:24Josh Horowitz?

  So how, like in terms of just the, the broader picture of where you're at now, like are you, how, this is the wrong word, but how calculated are you in terms of like crafting the career at this point? Like in terms of these are the next three roles I want to do and the, and the kind of body of work I want to start to, I mean, you're still very young. I mean, you've obviously been doing this a long time, but like, is there a real need and want to kind of show off all the shades of you right now?

• 14:47Speaker 02

  Yes, but you, you know what? Uh, more than anything is, and I don't know why, I think because I started so young, because I didn't have any connection to the industry. All of the advice that I had been told growing up was take everything. You never know when it's going to be taken from you. It's never going to happen again. And it, it put me in, I think, in a very fear-based mentality that I wasn't aware that I had. It was just, I had been operating at such a pace for so long that I, I didn't know any different. And for someone who's worked since they were a kid, you know, there's a different sort of comfortability and sense. Um, now as, you know, I'm a bit older and I, I see things.

• 15:30Speaker 02

  I, I'm more knowledgeable about myself and what I'm interested in. I think that's a big part of it too. Just understanding myself as an individual a little bit better. I definitely would like to be a bit more calculated or, you know, be more interested in things that, uh, you know, I, it really feels like I want to watch or if I, you know, like, which is weird when you think about it as a kid, it was just,

• 15:54Speaker 02

  I, I come in, I fill this role, I do this job and I go home, you know, and it was.

• 15:59Josh Horowitz?

  Well, it's pleasing others as opposed to kind of pleasing yourself at a certain point.

• 16:02Speaker 02

  And I would like to please myself. Yeah.

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• 18:03Josh Horowitz?

  If I, if I talk to your, your family, your siblings, like growing up, you've, by all accounts, you were an extrovert. Like, were you like, you were one of six?

• 18:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:12Josh Horowitz?

  Was, was being an extrovert kind of just the way of getting attention? Like, hey, I'm here, I'm here too. Like, what was?

• 18:18Speaker 02

  I genuinely cannot help it.

• 18:24Josh Horowitz?

  It's a problem.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just, and it's so funny because my family is very introverted.

• 18:29Josh Horowitz?

  So you're the outlier.

• 18:30Speaker 02

  Yes. Everyone was pretty quiet. Maybe my younger brother was kind of crazy.

• 18:34Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 18:34Speaker 02

  And for two seconds he thought, oh, well, maybe I'll act like my big sister. And then someone handed him sides and he thought, oh, this is so boring. Like, I'm gonna go play soccer. Um, yeah, no, I've always been very extroverted and we don't know where it comes from. My mom's father was a bit of an entertainer. He worked as like a bartender at these clubs and things like that. But he used to perform in drag and um, that's how he would make like extra money for the family. He loved to sing. He loved to just be on stage. So my mom likes to say that, oh, maybe, maybe there's some sort of entertainment seed throughout there, but really it just came out of left field.

• 19:12Josh Horowitz?

  So you, I mean, you were very vocal to your parents early on. Like, I really want to try this out. Just give me a shot. Do you remember like the early auditions? Because I, I mean, auditions are tough for adults. Like, did you not feel exposed? Like rejection is tough for anybody, let alone a kid. How did you handle all that at such a young age?

• 19:30Speaker 02

  So headstrong as a kid. Everyone warned me when I first started acting, you know, okay, well, just know sometimes they're going to say no. Sometimes it's not because of you. Maybe they needed a different hair color or maybe they needed someone older. I did not care. I was just so happy to be there. I was so happy to be around with other actors. I loved sitting in the waiting room for three hours, like back against the wall in these cataclysm sessions, like playing hand games with the girls. I finished my homework. Oh, do you want to go here after? Well, we can't drive back to the desert yet because there's traffic. So do you, should we go for dinner? And I would make friends in the casting, you know, like I was very just in my element. It's not a competition, you guys. Like, we're all

• 20:15Speaker 02

  you're gonna do great and you're gonna do great. I was very.

• 20:20Josh Horowitz?

  You were chill.

• 20:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was, I was like a pretty good presence.

• 20:22Josh Horowitz?

  Guys, this isn't a big deal. We'll get them next time.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was, I think I was good for morale.

• 20:27Josh Horowitz?

  Where are you at now? I mean, like, are you as like, I don't know, chill about the ups and downs of a career now?

• 20:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I've gotten older. I've developed a stronger understanding and I'm definitely a lot more self critical or harsh on myself. Like, it's easy for me to, or it's not so easy for me to shake things off. But it's less about what other people put on me and more about just internally feeling high pressure.

• 20:57Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 20:58Speaker 02

  Being in this other phase, which is only human. I just kind of have to tell myself. And this year I've been really good about just telling myself to get over myself. It's that easy because you become so

• 21:12Speaker 02

  thinking about the same things over and over. And I have OCD, so I can't, it's really hard for me to stop the train once it goes.

• 21:19Josh Horowitz?

  Spiraling.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  Exactly. So I'm just, as soon as I start spiraling, I I'm outside on a walk.

• 21:25Josh Horowitz?

  Can you give me an example without, you know, revealing too much of like what you get in your own head about? Is it about like a bad day on set where you just didn't feel like you didn't nail it or?

• 21:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, bad day on set staring up at the ceiling, thinking, I should have done it this way, or why didn't I do it that way? Or I have a conversation and then I'm having the conversation again in the car in in minor conversations.

• 21:47Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 21:47Speaker 02

  It not even, sometimes it's work based, sometimes it's not. I could be at like the supermarket or something and I'm just like, oh, I should have said something, you know, just

• 21:57Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 21:57Speaker 02

  And insane. And then the more tired I get to, the more it

• 22:01Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 22:01Speaker 02

  feels and you've been working so much and my brain is just.

• 22:04Josh Horowitz?

  And what about the aspect of like, there's so many folks that see you, young people that see you that like want something out of you in the best possible way. They just want an interaction. They want to feel seen.

• 22:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:14Josh Horowitz?

  Do you feel, I don't know, that that's a lot for anybody to take in and especially like the volume you probably get it at, like, I don't know. Do you kind of give yourself grace and like, I can't be everything to everybody all the time or?

• 22:29Speaker 02

  Yes and no. They, when, when I was young and I was on Disney Channel, they took us to like media training.

• 22:35Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  And they told us,

• 22:38Speaker 02

  you know, every time someone meets you, it's probably the only time they're ever going to interact with you. Like, that's a very special moment in their lives. So just be aware of that. No pressure. That has never left me. And sometimes I try to give myself grace and, and I

• 22:55Speaker 02

  I'm trying to have better boundaries. So maybe if I feel like it's not so safe of a situation, or maybe I don't want to stop and agree to take a photo with a random grown man, but kids and things like that, of course. Yeah, it is a lot, though. And again, it's, it's sweet. Like, some of the interactions are so sweet. And then some of them are a little bit more embarrassing or aggressive or mean, and it, it's hard to know what the balance is.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  But you just

• 23:27Speaker 02

  I do what I can.

• 23:28Josh Horowitz?

  You do. Yeah, you're only human. So, so coming off of, off of the Disney show, which was obviously kind of like a big moment in your career, more than a moment. What were you, I mean, were you going up for a lot of things prior to Wednesday and Scream, et cetera, and X that felt like they were going to set you on a new path? Like, what, did you have kind of a niche, like in auditions, like a kind of role that you were going up for often? Like, if I talked to you like in the year before Wednesday,

• 23:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:55Josh Horowitz?

  where were you at in terms of?

• 23:57Speaker 02

  I was, I was getting a lot of horror, but I also was seeking horror.

• 24:01Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  I just signed to a new agency and they asked me kind of what I wanted to be doing. And I said, I really want to get into horror films.

• 24:10Josh Horowitz?

  And was that based on your own, I mean, it's, it's a good opportunity for, for young actors.

• 24:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:15Josh Horowitz?

  But it's also like a great genre in and of itself.

• 24:17Speaker 02

  They're having like a real, I mean, not that horror ever really left, but I would say in the last five to 10 years, there's been a major boom in the production and like public value.

• 24:28Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 24:29Speaker 02

  That was just something, nobody had told me that, nobody, if anything, when I was younger, when I was really little, I was always interested in dark things, very fascinated. But I would freak myself up and not sleep for weeks, freak myself out and not sleep for weeks. And, um, yeah, I got into them when I was a teenager and it just was fresh on my mind. And I thought that it was a great opportunity for an actor to portray such high, intense, insane feelings. And yeah, well, horror just seemed like a dream job.

• 25:03Josh Horowitz?

  So which of those came around first of, of X, Scream, Wednesday?

• 25:09Speaker 02

  Uh, I think

• 25:12Speaker 02

  Scream came around first. I filmed my X tape in the hotel room while shooting Scream, right after we had shot the opening sequence.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  Booked that one. Ty West called me and I was with Matt and Tyler, the directors at the time. So they all said hi because they were friends.

• 25:29Josh Horowitz?

  Amazing.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  So I thought, oh, this is sweet. They're handing me off to like the next horror director friend that they know. And then while I was on X, had just shot the scene where my face got shot off.

• 25:39Josh Horowitz?

  Classic.

• 25:40Speaker 02

  And I FaceTimed him to audition for that. So they all were happening kind of simultaneously, but that was it. It was Scream, X, Wednesday, one led to the other.

• 25:49Josh Horowitz?

  So it's interesting. I mean, you know, looking back at Wednesday, and I know you've talked about sort of that first season being, it's a discombobulating experience. Like, this is a very high profile show. You're working with Tim Burton. You're number one on the call sheet. And correct me if I'm wrong. In your own head, you're kind of like, this doesn't feel like a home run at first. Like, you're not killing it. You're not satisfying yourself, maybe on those first days and weeks, like you weren't getting the feedback, maybe you, you were hoping for from Tim. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but like, I mean, give me a sense of sort of like, I don't know, was it a discombobulating experience being on Wednesday, being on a show that clearly worked, that maybe in your own head, you didn't think was working at the time?

• 26:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I didn't think that it was working at all. And that was, um, me being in my own head.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Perhaps, but also Tim, I had never worked with someone like Tim before, and Tim is very, very shy.

• 26:46Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 26:46Speaker 02

  He's opened up a bunch, but when you initially start working with him, he does not

• 26:52Speaker 02

  speak.

• 26:54Speaker 02

  Doing like hair and makeup tests and he would look at, you know, they would try different bangs or try different lengths of braids and he would call Colleen Atwood over and Colleen would

• 27:05Speaker 02

  you know, whisper in his, um,

• 27:08Speaker 02

  he would whisper in Colleen's ear, okay, I'm thinking this, and Colleen would come over and like speak for him. Like, he was very, and I think that was just him maybe being sensitive now, knowing him as to, well, she's a young girl. I don't want her to feel like, you know, I'm picking her apart to like come from a woman, you know, whatever. Now I know Tim.

• 27:23Josh Horowitz?

  Yes.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  Um, but it was things like that that just felt like, okay, well, I'm not clicking with him.

• 27:27Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 27:27Speaker 02

  He's not speaking to me. He also was just trying to give me space as a performer to figure it out myself and, but to be, you know, 17, 18 and a foreign country with this, you know, very big director.

• 27:42Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  And feel like I wasn't connecting. I was, I was very stressed out.

• 27:47Josh Horowitz?

  So when that, when that show comes out and becomes what it does, was that and that must have been just bizarre on a number of levels because I don't know if by then you kind of reconciled, okay, well, we accomplished something, or if you were still in your own head, like, I don't know if it was, if I did my job, like, what was it like to kind of see the world embrace the show when you yourself maybe had questions about your own performance?

• 28:09Speaker 02

  I couldn't, I couldn't believe it. I, I really couldn't believe it. They had sent me like an episode or two to watch out of courtesy before the show came out and I couldn't make it through the first five minutes, 10 minutes. I just was so, and I don't really like to watch myself. I don't. So I think it actually was doing a bit of a hindrance, but just based off of, um, yeah, not having any faith in myself.

• 28:38Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 28:39Speaker 02

  I, I was mortified. So when people started freaking out over it, or I started being recognized, or there was a sudden burst and sort of explosion and everything, I just, it really felt like some sick mind.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  No way, like, that's still to this day, I am a little confused.

• 29:02Josh Horowitz?

  It's a very expensive prank to put on you. We're three seasons in, we're still, we're still stringing this out just for the long con against.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just love to never be comfortable. Waiting for, you know.

• 29:13Josh Horowitz?

  Is there comfort on set now, having just wrapped season three, or are you still to a degree?

• 29:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's immense comfort.

• 29:18Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 29:19Speaker 02

  That crew, the people, everything about it, they're so lovely and kind and work so well together. And yeah, the character is, you know, first met her maybe six years ago or something. So you definitely fall into the swing of things and it's nice to see everyone kind of at their peak, most comfortable iteration of, of the characters.

• 29:43Josh Horowitz?

  So who got Winona involved? That's a Tim call? When you heard that Winona was coming for season three?

• 29:47Speaker 02

  It, I think it may have been a Tim call. I think there was somebody else. No, there actually was no other name mentioned for that. And I didn't think much of it when they first pitched season three and they mentioned Winona's name because Winona and I love each other. We would love to work together again, but

• 30:08Speaker 02

  we hadn't talked about this and she, she had just gotten off a long stretch of a show, so didn't know she was going to be looking to do that again. And then suddenly she just was in Ireland. I was walking around on the trailers one day and I oh, my God, they

• 30:20Josh Horowitz?

  They got her.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  They got you. It's like, yeah. And it was sweet.

• 30:25Josh Horowitz?

  That's awesome.

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• 31:30Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, you've had a series of these amazing actresses, Amy Adams is the latest, obviously, that I don't know if it by default, they become mentors or kind of like you gravitate towards them. I mean, you also worked with Natalie Portman recently. I mean, is that especially meaningful to kind of work with a series of of actors who many of whom like grew up like Natalie was a child actor, like kind of has walked the path you did. Winona walked your path.

• 31:53Speaker 02

  Right.

• 31:55Josh Horowitz?

  That must be invaluable to kind of have this series of like women in your life to call upon if needed.

• 32:00Speaker 02

  I've been so lucky with the actresses in my life, whether they've been, you know, moms, sisters, scene partners, just anything like I really am fortunate and these actresses from previous generations who are still in the game like Natalie, like Winona, like Catherine Zeta Jones, Natasha Lyonne is great. You know, like I've just been so fortunate with women who really are supportive of other women in the industry. And I think they have a different understanding as to sort of the pressures that are put on them and how complicated it can be and feel and isolating.

• 32:41Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  So anytime I'm able to, you know, be in a little tent on the side of a set at two in the morning with them on a night shoot or something, I just, I think I always have that moment of quiet appreciation and gratefulness.

• 32:58Josh Horowitz?

  The Gallerist is the one with Natalie that's coming out relatively soon, I believe, right? What were the meaningful performances of hers for you growing up? I mean, she did everything from the professional to Star Wars to.

• 33:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was, it's pretty surreal, you know? She's kind of one of the first actresses I probably knew.

• 33:19Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  Because I had seen her in so many things and obviously she's so talented, but to meet her and work with her and see how cool she is, like she does not get enough credit. She's, she's got such a great balance in her life and understanding of her world and is very consistent in herself. And yeah, to, to work with her was just, I was trying to soak it all in and she's, makes everything better.

• 33:47Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  And has such great input on the shape of a scene and I was just really impressed by her.

• 33:52Josh Horowitz?

  So who, who helped form your taste, you think, growing up? I mean, was it with your siblings, your parents in terms of like your film taste, which, you know, I've heard you talk about everything from Shrek two to Joan of Arc, like it runs the gamut. Like, did you find films on your own? Did people introduce films to you?

• 34:12Speaker 02

  I, I found films on my own.

• 34:14Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 34:14Speaker 02

  Pretty much. In my house, we watched like the same five movies over and over. There was like The Lion King, 300. We would maybe watch, there's a movie called The Pacifier with Vin Diesel and Brittany Snow.

• 34:27Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 34:28Speaker 02

  We really liked The Pacifier.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  Like that was my movie range.

• 34:32Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 34:33Speaker 02

  In the house that I grew up in. And then just when I was old enough to really get good at the computer and I knew at that point I was already acting. So I just thought, oh, I should probably educate myself if this is something that I'm going to want to do forever.

• 34:48Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 34:48Speaker 02

  So I just would look up super basic, okay, best romantic movie of all time, best this of all time, would watch it. And then, okay, well now I like this director, so I'm going to go down here and down here.

• 35:01Josh Horowitz?

  That's the fun part.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, just went down a rabbit hole and I'm still to this day am in that rabbit hole.

• 35:05Josh Horowitz?

  Just keep going.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Going deeper and deeper.

• 35:07Josh Horowitz?

  So what rabbit holes have you been down lately? Let's give me a filmmaker, an actor you've been kind of going down the path for.

• 35:12Speaker 02

  Okay, well, recently there's been a lot of Harvey Keitel movies.

• 35:20Josh Horowitz?

  Great.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  Just can't explain it. I'm just really happy I hadn't seen Battle of Lieutenant or anything. Yeah, so I was.

• 35:27Josh Horowitz?

  Abel Ferrer, that's another rabbit hole you can go down.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  Yep, I'm down, I just watched Dangerous Game.

• 35:31Josh Horowitz?

  Yep.

• 35:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, so super into that. I'm doing that right now. Who else have I been into? This is left turn, but I've been really trying to get into action movies because I've been training for Nasty.

• 35:46Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 35:46Speaker 02

  Which is this gymnastics film that I'm doing.

• 35:48Josh Horowitz?

  It's own kind of action film.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  Yes, and it's, it's been a lot of training and a lot of group, so I'm trying to make it as enjoyable as I can.

• 35:55Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 35:55Speaker 02

  So I've just been comparing myself to every action star whatsoever.

• 36:00Josh Horowitz?

  Who's on the, yeah, who's the top of the mountain?

• 36:01Speaker 02

  Arnold Schwarzenegger. We've been doing a lot of Arnold Schwarzenegger movies. No, I haven't seen Pumping Iron. Yes, I'm going to get to it before I begin shooting. Tom Cruise, there's two people who operate at this.

• 36:12Josh Horowitz?

  Yes.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  Athletic level that I'm on right now, and I think it's me and Tom going like.

• 36:18Josh Horowitz?

  Neck and neck.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  But yes, one day, the day that I don't train, maybe he's on the up.

• 36:24Josh Horowitz?

  Wait, wait, wait, that's like a second, hold on a second. Okay, let's Arnold. So what have you, what have you loved in Arnold films? Have you done Total Recall? Have you done?

• 36:32Speaker 02

  No, I haven't done, yeah, what am I doing?

• 36:34Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 36:35Speaker 02

  Something wrong. No, but I did watch Junior with him and Emma Thompson, where he's a pregnant man.

• 36:39Josh Horowitz?

  Someone's giving you the wrong advice. You already did Junior before.

• 36:41Speaker 02

  He's not so athletic in that one, but it's, that's a, that's been a big one for me.

• 36:46Josh Horowitz?

  He gets to say my Bobby, my choice in that movie. That's pretty special.

• 36:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:51Josh Horowitz?

  Sorry, so that's Arnold. You went to the Junior first, okay? No judgments.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  That's just the last one. That's the one that I can remember.

• 36:58Josh Horowitz?

  That's okay. TC, so that's, that's your like stunt inspiration.

• 37:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:03Josh Horowitz?

  He's the one.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  I've actually never seen a Mission Impossible movie. I don't know, but that's why I'm gonna start. I'm gonna start. I've only seen the opening to.

• 37:11Josh Horowitz?

  You started with Cocktail. Yeah.

• 37:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm just, I don't know, I'm fooling.

• 37:16Josh Horowitz?

  Let me give you a list.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  Okay, please.

• 37:18Josh Horowitz?

  This is my genre.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  I would love, I would love a list from you. Please give me action movies. We've seen all of the equalizers now, like, I just like a proper dad movie right now, I think, something comforting.

• 37:30Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, I can, I can, I can help you out there. Okay, so, and then you said before, so Shrek two was important to, rank the Shrek films for me. Is Shrek two the best of the Shreks?

• 37:41Speaker 02

  I think it is. That's I Need a Hero, the gingerbread man scene.

• 37:44Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 37:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course. Also got the potions in that.

• 37:48Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:49Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, okay.

• 37:50Speaker 02

  Trippy movie.

• 37:51Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, let's see, we're bouncing around. Okay, so tell me more about the Mary Bronstein. Okay, so you're, you're playing a gymnast. Is this like whiplash style? Like it sounds like, I mean, her last film was pretty intense.

• 38:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's a bit intense. I would say Rose Byrne will be playing my coach and obviously she's incredible and to be able to work with that team.

• 38:10Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 38:11Speaker 02

  Together is something that I'm so excited for. But it's been really wonderful developing that one. I started first with the script like two years ago, so it's been a slow but sure process. So I, I've never been a part of a script that early on, so being able to put the pieces together and recruit sort of this dream scenario of a production has been beautiful and everybody is working so hard and everything is looking so good and I'm thrilled.

• 38:38Josh Horowitz?

  So, yeah, you've got an eclectic slate coming up. So The Gallerist is coming soon. We're gonna finally see JJ's movie. I'm always a JJ fan. Come on, The Great Beyond is coming. That's you and Glenn Powell. JJ's a great, I mean, as smart as they come, he's.

• 38:51Speaker 02

  He's so sweet.

• 38:52Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 38:52Speaker 02

  He's so sweet. He's like a really awkward dad sense, but he's so thoughtful and so informative. He knows absolutely everything and I guess it's because he's writing the scripts as well.

• 39:05Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 39:05Speaker 02

  But it's so great asking him questions and him just going on rants of answers because it, it really does to not only help your trust in the job and what you're meant to do that day on set, because you just know you're in safe hands.

• 39:19Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 39:20Speaker 02

  And somebody who has thought incredibly hard about everything.

• 39:24Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 39:25Speaker 02

  And does it in such a kind way. Everyone loves him.

• 39:28Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 39:29Speaker 02

  He's the best.

• 39:29Josh Horowitz?

  Who are, so who are the actors right now that you're kind of obsessed with? Are there, are there like, who's the shortlist to manifest like you working with or just that you're a fan of right now?

• 39:41Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  That's so hard because I know I'm gonna say people that, or I'm not gonna say everybody that I want to.

• 39:49Josh Horowitz?

  You can just start with Harvey Keitel.

• 39:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, Harvey, I would love to work with Harvey Keitel.

• 39:53Josh Horowitz?

  Still doing it.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  Would love to work with Cate Blanchett.

• 39:56Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 39:57Speaker 02

  Um, would love to, I mean, who else is kinda, I, I barely worked with Willem Dafoe in Beetlejuice, but I would like to work with him more.

• 40:08Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 40:08Speaker 02

  Um.

• 40:09Josh Horowitz?

  You go down the Lars von Trier rabbit hole with Willem Dafoe.

• 40:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh yeah, don't get me started down there. Don't get me started.

• 40:16Josh Horowitz?

  What do you, what do you mean?

• 40:17Speaker 02

  I just love, I love those, um, movies. At some point last year, I was going through all the Dogma ninety-five stuff. Um.

• 40:26Josh Horowitz?

  Like, are your, are your comfort movies more, it sounds like you, you can like derive comfort from a fucked up movie as much as you can, like a classic, like Disney movie?

• 40:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I like, yeah, I like them all. Just if it's, if it's a good movie, if I'm, if I'm locked in, I'm locked in. It doesn't have to be, um,

• 40:40Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  bright and happy and with a button. Um.

• 40:46Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, it must be so exciting right now because again, in the last few years, I would imagine whether they come to fruition or not, you're meeting with filmmakers that are really exciting and interesting.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:56Josh Horowitz?

  Like, is that, I mean, this is what actors work towards, you know?

• 41:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:00Josh Horowitz?

  Does it feel like right now you are like, the level of material you're getting, the opportunities you're getting are, I don't know, like,

• 41:10Josh Horowitz?

  are you en- engaged with the material you're seeing and?

• 41:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm, I'm definitely,

• 41:17Speaker 02

  feel like I want to, I don't know, I have this, um,

• 41:23Speaker 02

  sort of new sense of drive that I think for a while, for a few years, maybe I just, I wasn't feeling

• 41:32Speaker 02

  confident enough or feeling empowered enough, which is weird because I, I've been in a very fortunate position. But yeah, I have a new sense of drive and I think it's really important for actors to, in a day and age like this where so much is being made for the sake of stuff being made and, you know, people are binge watching things and projects come and go super fast, both the making process and the release. I'm learning that you have to be really invested and really thoughtful about every step moving forward, just because it's very easy for good ideas to get.

• 42:15Josh Horowitz?

  Watered down.

• 42:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, or yeah, just not given the right level and care and you have to do that as, as, um, it's, it can be an actor's job too, you know?

• 42:24Josh Horowitz?

  Like, where are you at in terms of, obviously Wednesday, I don't know what the future holds for Wednesday, if there are gonna be more seasons or not, but like, that takes a lot of your time. Like, are you, I would imagine like franchises are interested in you, that you have those meetings, that interest from both the Feigies of the world, et cetera. Like, does that scare you to kind of get locked into an ongoing commitment of a franchise of that type?

• 42:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I actually haven't had a lot of franchise.

• 42:49Josh Horowitz?

  Really?

• 42:49Speaker 02

  Conversations, um, um, I haven't, but yeah, I never, eh, what's, what I'm meant to do will come and find me, but, uh, yeah, maybe there is a little bit, uh, like I think after Wednesday, yeah, I'll probably be off the TV for a while, you know, I had many years doing that. I, I was bouncing from show to show as a kid.

• 43:15Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 43:16Speaker 02

  Just to this and, you know, I, I wanna leave time for, for new things.

• 43:20Josh Horowitz?

  So do you watch TV at all? My sense is you're, you're a film watcher or bust, basically.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, eh, eh, if I'm,

• 43:27Speaker 02

  it's not, I watch so many movies, it wouldn't make a difference if it were TV or movies. I just feel like maybe I can get more stories and education. I'm like, okay, I have two hours. But recently I have been doing a rewatch of The Sopranos and ah, and that Alabama Three songs is just always stuck in my head. I, I love that, love that show.

• 43:48Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 43:48Speaker 02

  Perfect television.

• 43:49Josh Horowitz?

  Perfect television. He's another one. Gandolfini was.

• 43:53Speaker 02

  Incredible. He's so scary in True Romance. So scary, that fight with him and Patricia O'Keehan is just, the first time I had seen that, like, it was just a huge pit in my stomach.

• 44:02Josh Horowitz?

  Brad Pitt, maybe the best stoner performance also in that film.

• 44:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:07Josh Horowitz?

  Amazing, amazing. Um, okay, we end every Happy Sad Confused with the profoundly random questions. You ready for some random stuff?

• 44:13Speaker 02

  Yes, I love random stuff.

• 44:15Josh Horowitz?

  Okay. Are you a dog or a cat person?

• 44:18Speaker 02

  Both.

• 44:18Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 44:19Speaker 02

  Is that okay?

• 44:20Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yes, it's all permissible. Do you own, I know you own a dog.

• 44:23Speaker 02

  I own a dog, yeah. But I always thought I was gonna own a cat.

• 44:26Josh Horowitz?

  Really?

• 44:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. I love my dog. My dog is my child. I grew up with dogs, but.

• 44:31Josh Horowitz?

  Is he, is he, she, sorry, he or she?

• 44:33Speaker 02

  She.

• 44:33Josh Horowitz?

  She, is she emotional support dog? Does she help you when you need her?

• 44:38Speaker 02

  Yes and no. She's also very independent and behaves like a cat.

• 44:41Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, she's a cat, really?

• 44:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, I'm so excited to see her after not seeing her for a long time, but then she really likes bald men.

• 44:47Josh Horowitz?

  Oh.

• 44:47Speaker 02

  Cause she likes to lick the stubble.

• 44:49Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  On their head, so.

• 44:51Josh Horowitz?

  Who doesn't?

• 44:52Speaker 02

  We could be having a nice moment, but as soon as someone who's bald walks by, she's, she's on them. So it's like, is she that supportive of me emotionally?

• 45:01Josh Horowitz?

  Not if there's a bald man around.

• 45:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, no.

• 45:03Josh Horowitz?

  Would you, uh, dress her up in clothing for Halloween? Does she do costumes?

• 45:07Speaker 02

  We tried that. We put her in Chucky costume one time with a knife.

• 45:10Josh Horowitz?

  Chucky one year.

• 45:11Speaker 02

  Really?

• 45:11Josh Horowitz?

  It was great. I'll show you the video.

• 45:13Speaker 02

  Heated it. She hated the red wig. She tore it into bits. Um, we did something else for her too, but I can't, I can't remember, but she, she really would prefer if you didn't put anything on her.

• 45:23Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, still there's nothing. If you can get it to work and the knife comes down with every step as she's going, it's.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  It was amazing. The running legs.

• 45:30Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 45:31Speaker 02

  Down the front were perfect.

• 45:32Josh Horowitz?

  Genius.

• 45:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. Lasted thirty seconds.

• 45:34Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. Uh, what do you collect, if anything?

• 45:39Speaker 02

  What, oh, what do I collect?

• 45:44Speaker 02

  I, I do collect things.

• 45:48Speaker 02

  I, I like, anytime I'm in a new city and I'm on productions, I, I find the best antique shops in the area, but that's not really a specific collection of sorts. It's just so, like, I, I have this, like, weird metamorpho-, this worm with wings turning, it's like called the metamorphosis or something. And he's got this crazy smile on his face and it's made out of ivory and it's from like World War One. And I have another like soldier's flask, just like weird, I, I try to find stuff that has weird stories.

• 46:22Josh Horowitz?

  Got it.

• 46:23Speaker 02

  To it.

• 46:24Josh Horowitz?

  That works.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:25Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. Do you have a favorite video game of all time?

• 46:29Speaker 02

  No, I don't play video games.

• 46:30Josh Horowitz?

  Never played video games.

• 46:30Speaker 02

  Isn't that lame?

• 46:31Josh Horowitz?

  It's all lame.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  I think, I think if I sat down, I could really get into a video game, but I don't.

• 46:38Josh Horowitz?

  There's only so much time. There are books, there are films, there's TV.

• 46:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm just.

• 46:43Josh Horowitz?

  There are dogs.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  It's true. That, that's, that's what it is. It's like anytime I have free time, it's, I think it's free time, but then I realize I've gotta take the dog out.

• 46:51Josh Horowitz?

  Gotta watch Harvey Keitel movie and take the dog out.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  Gotta watch Bad Lieutenant Two with Nicolas Cage.

• 46:57Josh Horowitz?

  It's a good one too.

• 46:58Speaker 02

  The Iguana sequences.

• 47:00Josh Horowitz?

  Val Kilmer, that's a rabbit hole. Go down the Val Kilmer rabbit hole, that guy.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  I will. I would be more than happy to.

• 47:06Josh Horowitz?

  So much, so good, so much good stuff. Okay, um, Dakota Johnson asked me this. I ask everybody, would you rather have a mouthful of bees or one bee in your butt?

• 47:13Speaker 02

  Mouthful of bees or one in my butt? Um, probably one in my butt.

• 47:17Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah, that's the consensus.

• 47:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:19Josh Horowitz?

  What's the wallpaper on your phone?

• 47:21Speaker 02

  Um, it's a woman suspended on the moon. She's like draped over, yeah.

• 47:25Josh Horowitz?

  That's cool. Uh, last actor you were mistaken for?

• 47:30Josh Horowitz?

  Does it ever happen?

• 47:31Speaker 02

  Maybe, maybe Taylor Russell.

• 47:33Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 47:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think so.

• 47:35Josh Horowitz?

  Wait, are you guys gonna be working together? What happened to the single white female thing? Is that happening?

• 47:39Speaker 02

  We're still working on it, but yeah, we're really excited.

• 47:41Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  The script is, um, we're working on drafts right now.

• 47:45Josh Horowitz?

  So is that a coincidence? You said the person I got mistaken for is Taylor Russell and that you might be essentially doubling each other in a film?

• 47:51Speaker 02

  I think, well, she, it was her idea and she came to me and she, um, she said it because maybe she had just rewatched the film or something, but it was because I guess she was getting it on her side too. So she thought, oh, okay, well, this actress looks like, you know, and then we started talking and got on, yeah.

• 48:07Josh Horowitz?

  Well, something good can come out of the mistaken identity. Uh, what's the worst note a director has ever given you?

• 48:12Speaker 02

  Worst note a director has ever given me, um.

• 48:21Josh Horowitz?

  Or generally what's not helpful. You don't have to out somebody if there's.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm trying to think of like what's not helpful. I just,

• 48:30Speaker 02

  sometimes I can get frustrated if I ask a very specific question, like,

• 48:35Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  is it this or is it this?

• 48:37Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 48:37Speaker 02

  And they say, I don't know. Even if you don't know, I like just like throwing me in a, and just throw me in a direction and then I'll spiral.

• 48:47Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 48:47Speaker 02

  But maybe I shouldn't be giving them ultimatums. I don't know.

• 48:50Josh Horowitz?

  No, they, they are the director. They're supposed to at least fake that they have an answer.

• 48:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I don't like the, the, I don't know. I, just like open up a conversation a little bit with me about it, if there's time.

• 48:59Josh Horowitz?

  What do you think?

• 49:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, I'm lost, that's what I mean. Yeah, what's more interesting to you now?

• 49:06Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, and in the spirit of Happy Sad Confused, who's an actor who always makes you happy? Off the top of your head, first actor that comes to mind. You see them on screen, you're happy.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  Well, it's probably Willem Dafoe.

• 49:16Josh Horowitz?

  That really says a lot about you. I agree.

• 49:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm just thrilled.

• 49:20Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. What a light.

• 49:23Josh Horowitz?

  Uh, movie that makes you sad?

• 49:26Speaker 02

  Brief Encounter, David Lean.

• 49:27Josh Horowitz?

  Classic. And a food that makes you confused?

• 49:31Speaker 02

  Food that makes me confused?

• 49:35Josh Horowitz?

  You don't get it. Why do people eat that?

• 49:38Speaker 02

  I get why people eat papaya, but it's just really not for me. I think I've got that, that nasty, just like,

• 49:45Josh Horowitz?

  You have an allergic reaction.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  Thing, yeah. It's just the smell, the taste of it. There's just nothing about it that is exciting or inviting.

• 49:54Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  It's really upsetting.

• 49:56Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, I can see you're going to a dark place.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  I was just, cause we were just talking about it earlier and it was really bothering me. Like, it doesn't even go in a salad. I've just never seen it make sense.

• 50:06Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. Well, you're just getting started. Maybe one day someone will find a use for papaya for you.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Nope.

• 50:11Josh Horowitz?

  No, okay, or, or not.

• 50:13Speaker 02

  I don't think so.

• 50:14Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  I think it's not for me.

• 50:17Josh Horowitz?

  You did it. Jenna, you've been podcasting on Happy Sad Confused.

• 50:20Speaker 02

  Thank you so much.

• 50:21Josh Horowitz?

  Do you feel lighter on your feet? Do you feel like you've accomplished something today?

• 50:24Speaker 02

  Um.

• 50:32Speaker 02

  I felt like that was very fluid and I respect your pacing and process.

• 50:36Josh Horowitz?

  Really?

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Is how I feel. Yeah, that was.

• 50:38Josh Horowitz?

  It was a little random.

• 50:39Speaker 02

  That, a little random. No, but that's good because my brain operates that way. It's hard for me to even finish a sentence. That's why, someone told me the other day, they said, you, you've got such a stuttered cadence. I don't know a cadence like this. And it's because it's me trying to convince myself to stay on one path.

• 50:55Josh Horowitz?

  This is.

• 50:55Speaker 02

  Consistently. So this was perfect.

• 50:57Josh Horowitz?

  So, not to keep, you know, drinking game for Winona Ryder, but Winona's been on the podcast several times. And as you can imagine, it's just like, it's going down a rabbit hole, into a rabbit hole, into a.

• 51:08Speaker 02

  It's the, my favorite thing about speaking to Winona, just because she, I don't even know how we end up.

• 51:13Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, the two of you together, the three of us together, we should all do a podcast. It would go bananas.

• 51:18Speaker 02

  No, anytime her and I have gotten together, we stay sat together in the same exact spot for like ten hours. There's no moving.

• 51:24Josh Horowitz?

  I believe it. Uh, I'll get you that Arnold Schwarzenegger action movie list.

• 51:28Speaker 02

  Please, please.

• 51:30Josh Horowitz?

  Thank you for doing this. I appreciate you.

• 51:31Speaker 02

  Thank you. Thank you for having me.

• 51:32Josh Horowitz?

  We did it. Thank you, thank you.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 51:36Speaker 04

  And so ends another edition of Happy Sad Confused. Remember to review, rate and subscribe to this show on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a big podcast person. I'm Daisy Ridley and I definitely wasn't pressured to do this by Josh.

• 51:54Speaker 00

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