Elle Fanning, Vol. II

She's an amazing actor and a self-proclaimed Happy Sad Confused fan to boot so of course we love Elle Fanning around here. She returns to the podcast to chat about her amazing 1-2 punch of SENTIMENTAL VALUE and PREDATOR: BADLANDS, plus finally working with Dakota Fanning, and much more. UPCOMING EVENTS Sam Heughan 12/15 in New Jersey -- ⁠Tickets here⁠ Walker Scobell 12/19 in NYC -- ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tickets here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Check out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Happy Sad Confused patreon here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! We've got discount codes to live events, merch, early access, exclusive episodes, video versions of the podcast, and more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Josh Horowitz?

  Last actor you were mistaken for?

• 0:02Speaker 01

  Hmm, I mean, it's always Dakota.

• 0:05Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  Some people could say,

• 0:11Speaker 01

  well, Bill Hader, we know.

• 0:15Speaker 01

  That I look like Jack Hader.

• 0:16Josh Horowitz?

  Jack Quaid also gets Bill Hader. Do you ever get Jack Quaid?

• 0:18Speaker 01

  Really? I could see that too. I could see that too.

• 0:23Speaker 02

  Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, sad, confused begins now.

• 0:31Josh Horowitz?

  Hey, guys, it's Josh. Welcome to another edition of Happy Sad Confused. Today on the show, one of our favorites, Elle Fanning is back and for a very good cause. She's starring in the new film Sentimental Value. Great film, great performance, one of my favorite human beings. This is a fun one. Thanks, guys, as always, for checking out the podcast, whether you're enjoying us on YouTube or Spotify or listening, wherever you get your podcasts. I appreciate you guys. Very busy time of year, so many great films to celebrate, so many great performances to celebrate. This film in particular, Sentimental Value, is one of my favorites of the year. If you had a chance to catch our episode last week, I had a great chat with Rana Reinsdorf,

• 1:12Josh Horowitz?

  who is Elle's co-star in the film. Both of them are being awarded left and right by all these great critical institutions, Critics Choice Awards, Golden Globes, et cetera. So I'm really happy to help celebrate this movie because it's a special one. If you've seen Joaquin Trier's work before, you know he's the real deal. And this one, if you haven't checked out yet, put it on your list. Okay, before we get to Elle, though, I do want to mention, as always, lots of cool stuff over on the Patreon, patreon.com/happy sad confused. Support us over there because it helps us make more stuff over here. And we've got so much cool stuff for you, early access to every single episode of the podcast,

• 1:53Josh Horowitz?

  discount codes to live events, and some special treats just for the holiday season. So it's a good time to check out the Patreon if you are so inclined. Speaking of live events. Monday, December 15th, chatting with Sam Hewen, the one and only in New Jersey. We're taking our talents to Jersey to talk about his new cocktail book. Then next Friday, December 19th, do I have that right? Yeah, the 19th, I'm talking to Walker Scobell at the 92nd Street Y. That is virtually sold out, but there are a few tickets still available. And speaking of virtual, you can watch that one live virtually. There is that option on the 92nd Street Y website. All the information is in our show notes. More to come.

• 2:36Josh Horowitz?

  January events are already cooking, so stay tuned for more really exciting announcements here. As for today's episode, not much more I want to say, except to say that I adore Elle Fanning, both as an actor and as a human being. She is just a great life force to have in all of our lives. And I've been privileged enough to know Elle since she was a wee little girl. And now to see her all grown up and amazing in all these varied works, whether it's Predator, Badlands, or Sentimental Value, the great. She's just killing it. I'm so happy for her, happy for us. And she's just always easy to talk to. So I know you guys are going to enjoy this chat about Sentimental Value,

• 3:17Josh Horowitz?

  Predator, working with Dakota very soon, their Paris Hilton project, and much, much more. So without any further ado, here is my conversation with the one and only Elle Fanning. Enjoy. Elle Fanning, happy second fused royalty. Longtime Patreon member, longtime subscriber.

• 3:39Speaker 01

  That's right, that's right.

• 3:41Josh Horowitz?

  Guys, if it's good enough for Elle Fanning.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  I'm Josh's biggest fan.

• 3:46Josh Horowitz?

  Feeling is mutual. Welcome back to the podcast.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 3:50Josh Horowitz?

  The last time you did the pod, 2023. You've only done it once officially before, even though it feels like you're a veteran of it.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  And we were in the Bowery? Was that, was it a hotel?

• 3:58Josh Horowitz?

  I think it was a hotel.

• 3:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:59Josh Horowitz?

  And that was for The End of the Great.

• 4:02Speaker 01

  That's right. Oh, and I remembered that. I think like right before I talked to you, I had just got a complete unknown.

• 4:10Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, we talked about it a little bit.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, we talked about it a little bit. Maybe not on the podcast, but it was like, I told you about it, like after.

• 4:18Josh Horowitz?

  So I should say also for the record, one of the last times we spoke on camera, just to close the loop on Predator Badlands and connect it to the podcast, not to toot my own horn, but Elle, you know this story. Dan Trachtenberg did credit your last time on the podcast as helping getting you that role. All I'm saying is, there's a lot riding on this conversation.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, like what directors are watching. I'm like, I could get my next job. We gotta make this good.

• 4:44Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, so be at your best behavior.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  I will. I'm like, la la la.

• 4:51Josh Horowitz?

  That just naturally comes up.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  I can dance, yeah.

• 4:53Josh Horowitz?

  So he said to me in that, like, he kind of vets actors by watching interviews sometimes to kind of get a vibe. Do you do that with potential co-stars or directors? Like, will you go down a rabbit hole for an actor or director you might work with to see like what their vibe is? Or do you ask friends? Or what do you do?

• 5:09Speaker 01

  That's funny. I've actually, I've done that before. Yeah, I feel like talk shows are a really good kind of baseline for actors or directors to get to know them a little bit. I've definitely done that. Yeah, I'll watch like, you know, Jimmy Fallon clip or something.

• 5:24Josh Horowitz?

  How good are they at this game? That will determine whether they're a good actor or not.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  Exactly, exactly. Or how like relaxed they are, what their sense of humor is. Yeah, I think that's a good thing to do.

• 5:34Josh Horowitz?

  So let's take stock in the two and a half years since you've done, you were on the podcast. You've had a really impressive couple of years. I mean, things were going well already. Okay, so you had the Broadway debut, which I got a chance to see, which was amazing. You wrapped up The Great. You did work with Mangold and Chalamet on A Complete Unknown. You're here for sentimental value, which is loved by every human being on the planet, or will be when they see it. Predator Badlands. You've knocked out a Hunger Games movie. You're working with Kidman soon. You and Dakota are finally getting together.

• 6:07Speaker 01

  Yes, that's a lot of things.

• 6:09Josh Horowitz?

  I don't want to say you're peaking, but this has been a really good fruitful couple of years. I mean, let's take stock for a second. What have the, when you think back to the last couple of years of, just professionally speaking, is this where you were hoping to be? Is this matching the kind of stuff you were looking for, or what?

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I don't think you can ever predict what's gonna, what people are gonna like, or what is gonna work. But I will say these last couple of years, I feel like they felt like, like a grind. Like, it's felt like a, a real push, like a lot of hard work to also make, you know, scheduling possible, so I could fit all of these things that I wanted to do in. And I was very, like, adamant and driven about, like, the parts that I wanted to do.

• 6:55Josh Horowitz?

  Yep.

• 6:55Speaker 01

  Um, I'm not very...

• 6:59Speaker 01

  You know, it's not completely thought out in a way that I feel like, okay, I'm gonna do this, and then I'm gonna do this.

• 7:05Josh Horowitz?

  Right, no actor can really do that.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  No, I'm super, like, instinctual, but there was a time where I didn't think I would be able to do Sentimental Value or Predator, or at least maybe not do Sentimental Value, because I was signed on to Predator already.

• 7:18Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  And then, right before I went to New Zealand, Joachim called me and said he had a part for me in Sentimental Value. And I wanted to do both very badly, um, but there was a scheduling conflict. And miraculously, like, two studios worked together to make it happen, that they kind of rescheduled things and made it so I could do both. It just meant that I literally had no days. I had, like, one day off in between, but that was a travel day. For, so I was, I went to Oslo first, had rehearsals, because that's very important to Joachim.

• 7:52Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  So we had that time for a week, um, which I'm really glad I had. And then I went to New Zealand for maybe three and a half, four months. And literally, the day I wrapped, I woke up the next morning, flew to France, drove to Deauville, because for Sentimental Value, there's a section in the Deauville Film Festival. And Joachim, um, had to film that while the festival was happening.

• 8:16Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 8:16Speaker 01

  So we knew those dates already. So I had to drive to Deauville, I had a fitting that night to try on Rachel Kemp's, uh, premiere look.

• 8:25Josh Horowitz?

  The movie star.

• 8:25Speaker 01

  Yes, and had that fitting, and then I filmed the next morning.

• 8:30Josh Horowitz?

  That must be also quite a sense of, like, kinda badass right now.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:35Josh Horowitz?

  I'm kinda like, I just went from... Yokim Trier and I'm alive and I'm thriving.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was something kind of like masochistic about it. I was like, yeah, let's go. I was like drooling, sleeping in the car and then I'm like slapping myself awake. I'm like, yeah, let's do it. But then again, there was also, I feel like coming off a big action film like that was actually helpful in playing Rachel Kemp because I felt like she had done a lot of action movies and and I'd never fully explored that world before. So that was a real first.

• 9:04Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  And very meta, like where we find Rachel and then her wanting to do a gritty kind of auteur driven foreign film.

• 9:13Josh Horowitz?

  Well, it also strikes me, you say like how how very easily this could end up lined up if the studios hadn't worked it out. Like sitting here today, if we're like talking Predator, which you would have been happy to talk about.

• 9:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 9:22Josh Horowitz?

  But like, and maybe another actor was reaping the rewards of sentimental value. Not to go down that road, but like, could you imagine?

• 9:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 9:30Josh Horowitz?

  You'd be miserable.

• 9:33Speaker 01

  I know. I mean, hey, Predator, Badlands is really, like, I'm like.

• 9:36Josh Horowitz?

  You know me, I love.

• 9:37Speaker 01

  And I love Dan and I love that, but I'm, yes, I would have been, yeah, I would have been upset if I, if it didn't work out and I didn't get to work with Yokim.

• 9:47Josh Horowitz?

  Are you, we've kind of had this kind of conversation last time, but like, is that, you don't get all the roles you want. Like, are you able to kind of watch the movies that you nearly get or that you really wanted? Or do you need like distance? Or do you ever watch them?

• 10:04Speaker 01

  You know.

• 10:06Josh Horowitz?

  You could be.

• 10:06Speaker 01

  It takes, I think it takes some time. I'm trying to think if there, if I ever have watched anything that I didn't get.

• 10:16Speaker 01

  Like I'm petty.

• 10:17Josh Horowitz?

  No, I mean, but it's, you get emotionally involved and invested. That makes sense. I get it.

• 10:22Speaker 01

  That can be hard. But then you're like, oh, you know, you might be curious. When you have the distance and then when you feel like. Okay, because I didn't do that, or that didn't work out, I was able to do something else, then you can kind of like, put it to bed?

• 10:36Josh Horowitz?

  You should also like take solace in, like, I've had this conversation with filmmakers, I'm thinking of like Edgar Wright still has not watched Ant-Man, Guillermo del Toro has never watched like the Hobbit films, which he spent like two years in pre-production on.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  Gosh, which I understand, yeah, it feels like, it's like you have to relive a heartbreak all over again. Why are we putting ourselves through that?

• 10:55Josh Horowitz?

  Totally, totally. I mean, one of the cool aspects also of like doing this like silly award circuit, all these fun like award shows, we're here like Gotham's or tonight as we tape this, is you mix and mingle with all these actors and filmmakers. Like, if I were you, not to be like, you know, cutthroat about it, I would be like networking like hell. Like, this is like such an opportunity to get like the next Joaquin Trer experience.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 11:17Josh Horowitz?

  Do you think about that? I mean, not in a, I mean, I think that's a positive, like, why not have that conversation?

• 11:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:23Josh Horowitz?

  With that filmmaker you admire that's also on the tour.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  I agree, I mean, I do think it's an opportunity to get, you know, you're kind of riding that train together and, you know, the people that year, you kind of, you get close because you keep seeing them at all these things, and so, 100%.

• 11:40Josh Horowitz?

  Chloe Zhao.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, hello, I know, I haven't, I don't think I've met her. Maybe I said hi to her in Telluride, but I'm like, need to get close.

• 11:50Josh Horowitz?

  Building blocks.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, building blocks.

• 11:52Josh Horowitz?

  Can I, can I close the loop on one thing? One of the, when you were doing press for A Complete Unknown with Timmy.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:59Josh Horowitz?

  Was it Timmy, or was he Marty Supreme on that press tour?

• 12:04Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh, I, well, I've seen Marty Supreme. I actually watched it alone. They did like a little screening for me, I got to sit in the theater alone and, and watch it. I think he is so phenomenal in that film, and there are pieces of,

• 12:20Speaker 01

  in that movie too. I mean, he's such high energy, he's so dedicated and, you know, meticulous and, you know, it was very familiar with that like, drive and of himself, and I think that is so captured

• 12:34Josh Horowitz?

  Yes.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  in Marty Supreme particularly, of like the strive for excellence and the strive For greatness, you know.

• 12:41Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  Which that movie is really about. And I think that, yeah, Timmy has that in him. He's like an athlete in a way.

• 12:47Josh Horowitz?

  Totally.

• 12:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:47Josh Horowitz?

  Well, he got like, and I loved that speech. I think it was the SAG speech, maybe.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:51Josh Horowitz?

  When he talked about wanting to be great.

• 12:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's such a good speaker. He's still like off the cuff. I'm like, he wasn't reading that.

• 12:59Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 12:59Speaker 01

  You know, I'd be like, blah, blah, blah.

• 13:01Josh Horowitz?

  He's a good celebrity. He's like doing it right, I feel like.

• 13:04Speaker 01

  I know. I want a jacket.

• 13:06Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, yeah, the Mardi Supreme jacket?

• 13:07Speaker 01

  Hello, I haven't, I haven't actually.

• 13:09Josh Horowitz?

  I want the cruise cake, she wants the jacket.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  We get the cruise cake.

• 13:13Josh Horowitz?

  Of course you do. This season is really rough on me. Because everyone's getting, have you gotten it yet this season?

• 13:19Speaker 01

  Um, I don't know, because it's normally, it's into our mom's house, actually. It will be coming soon.

• 13:24Josh Horowitz?

  Great.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's really for Dakota.

• 13:26Josh Horowitz?

  I, I, well.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, but we reap the benefit.

• 13:29Josh Horowitz?

  Have you considered doing this press tour as Rachel in full, um, full in character?

• 13:34Speaker 01

  I feel like I have. And like, it's so meta. Stellan and I, you know, we do press mostly together. They always pair us together. So we're literally seated like our characters in the film. They're asking me, how did you like Norway? And I'm like, oh, it's beautiful there. I'm like saying the exact lines that I have in the film.

• 13:51Josh Horowitz?

  Is he ever breaking down the journalist, like the Netflix donkey in the film?

• 13:56Speaker 01

  Protect me. He hasn't yet, but I think he would. Stellan would.

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• 15:54Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, so let's talk a little bit about the Yokim Trier experience, because I've done a few Q and As with you guys. All of you love each other to a disgusting amount. But, and I get it, like, he seems like such a genuine article and is, you know, he's not a video village. He does the rehearsal process. It's very actor-friendly, very collaborative, yet knows what he wants. It feels like he's found that sweet spot. Just talk to me a little bit about what was invigorating, what was unique about this experience versus others you've had.

• 16:22Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh. I mean, it's kind of like, it's exactly the experience you want to have as an actor. Like, he creates this playground for you that is just a perfect environment for an actor to thrive and not shut down. Because I think sometimes you can, I don't know, if you're working with...

• 16:46Speaker 01

  A director that makes you, I mean, it's not about intimidation because I think nerves are really good, but almost that they like suffocate you too much or they overanalyze you too much.

• 17:01Speaker 01

  You can, yeah, you can get self-conscious and shut down and get embarrassed or not try the thing that you wanted to try because then you get nervous that you're gonna mess it up or you know, you just don't feel free. And Yo Kim is just like the exact opposite of that, even though he is completely staring at you like 24/7, but I really enjoy that. Like I, I like to be seen and that every little micro expression is, he's clocking and kind of bringing more out of you or pu- pu- you know, pushing things back in. And so he's like a conductor in that way. And you just feel, because you've also had that,

• 17:43Speaker 01

  the rehearsal process of like sharing stories and personal stories and then he shapes the character to you a bit. After, after that, the eschelon him go and rewrite the character, cut a lot of lines out that he feels like, okay, that can be said, you know, inside.

• 18:00Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  So you just, yeah, you feel okay to be vulnerable because you also, you've shared these kind of personal things.

• 18:10Josh Horowitz?

  You've already gone down the road.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. And so when you look at him, you know that he's seeing why you're so affected.

• 18:19Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  And that brings even more out.

• 18:21Josh Horowitz?

  Well, and I would imagine also by the time you get to actually filming, so you've been through that rehearsal process, that script has changed.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:28Josh Horowitz?

  Thanks to you in part, thanks to all of the actors. So you're immediately empowered and excited like, oh, I've already, I've already affected change. Like he, he wants the ear for me. He wants my input.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, to collaborate.

• 18:38Josh Horowitz?

  So that's just like, it's, it must set us a great tenor from day one on filming. You're like, oh, we're all in this together.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  Yes. And it's a real, the set, I was trying to actively. Think in my mind while I was on the set, which I've never done this on a set before, of like, what is making this run so smoothly and so great?

• 18:56Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  There's something, I mean, I think we had like fifty something days to film. So that was for an indie film. I mean, is it, I guess it is an independent film.

• 19:06Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  We are, yeah. Yes. For an independent film, that is like a really long time, really. But he, the crew is very pared down. He just kind of oversees everything. There's not something that like, that he doesn't know what's happening.

• 19:27Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, he's attuned to everybody.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  He were like, very much attuned. Yeah.

• 19:31Josh Horowitz?

  So you, you know, we've talked a little bit about the metacavity too of like, you know, the American in the cast, the American in the film. I mean, knowing you, like, your tastes run the gamut. Like, you can happily do a Predator movie and do sentimental value.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:45Josh Horowitz?

  Is the, are your fellow castmates, do they have the highbrow, lowbrow, varied? Like, did you feel like, oh, I have to pretend to have like really cool tastes?

• 19:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, because I'm in Norway and, yeah. I, but Stellan is kind of like me.

• 20:01Josh Horowitz?

  Is he? I don't know him too well. You tell me.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  Well, I mean.

• 20:03Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, certainly his career would say such.

• 20:05Speaker 01

  His career would say such, yeah. I think, I mean, he definitely has highbrow taste.

• 20:12Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 20:15Josh Horowitz?

  But Renata also doesn't seem, I'm about to talk to her and I love Renata.

• 20:18Speaker 01

  Renata's very silly.

• 20:19Josh Horowitz?

  She's, I, I.

• 20:20Speaker 01

  And she's like such, she's so good at physical comedy. Like, I would love to see her in like a full-out comedy. And I think she would like to do that, too. And she came from theater.

• 20:30Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  You know?

• 20:32Josh Horowitz?

  She doesn't seem, though, like the person that's going to necessarily like, do the Marvel thing, or, which is fine.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  That's true. That's true. Yeah, so maybe I was like, trying to, like, oh yes, I love this silent film.

• 20:48Josh Horowitz?

  Let's talk about Keaton and Chaplin today.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 20:52Josh Horowitz?

  Have you, so Rachel feels miscast in this.

• 20:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 20:55Josh Horowitz?

  Have you ever had that sensation like a week into filming, like, oh god, they made the wrong choice?

• 21:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:01Josh Horowitz?

  And how did you recover?

• 21:03Speaker 01

  I mean, I think that you, honestly, you always feel like that on the first day of set. In, in a way, there is, because you're still trying to find the, like, the character. And so you feel like.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  Am I, am I right for this?

• 21:18Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  In every film, you always think that just because you gotta get over like a couple humps to like figure out, okay, how, who is this person? I've never like walked away from something so far down the line. There were times that I would like, I was offered, you know, scripts and things and I had like a seven-year-old child or something like, and I'm like, wait, wait, wait, I'm like, I'm not there yet, so I'm like, I can't do this. Like there were, I'm like, eventually, yes, there will be a time for that, but yeah, there were, I'm trying to think of movies.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  There was one film that I felt like I was playing more like an adult.

• 22:09Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, and you weren't quite there there as a human being?

• 22:11Speaker 01

  And I don't, yeah, it was called Sidney Hall. It was with Logan Willman. And there was like a, it worked there, I played younger and then there was like a time jump.

• 22:20Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  Where I like owned my own, like I was like bringing, I remember vividly remember I was like coming up a freight elevator in New York, like my character and I like had groceries. I'm like, how old was I when I filmed that? I don't know, too young. I was like, how do, I'm like putting these groceries away like a woman, you know?

• 22:38Josh Horowitz?

  How would a woman put groceries away?

• 22:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I was like, I don't know, I mean, I think we got away with it, but inside I was like, I might be a little young for this at that point. I'm like, now I can put groceries away.

• 22:50Josh Horowitz?

  Now you're totally a ace at that. Did you ever, like back in the day, like when, when you're a kid, a teenager even, was there a lot of discussion or argument back and forth with your family about roles that you could or should take? Like were they, were they always in sync with the roles you wanted? Because, you know, at a certain point, yes, you're calling the shots, obviously, but early on, it's a discussion.

• 23:11Speaker 01

  Totally, and it is, I mean, earlier on, it was mostly, obviously, I was auditioning, so it was, okay, these are the big movies that are out there, the child, there's also not that many child parts to go around, so it was.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  It was really also like director driven, which was, is still the way that I approach everything, but you know, you're not gonna not go audition for Alejandro in your E2, or you know, or David Fincher and Benjamin Button and Sofia. And so it was like, though, it was just knowing, okay, these filmmakers are gonna make me better because I'm gonna learn on their sets. And it's like, you can't, those are, they're the top, you know? So I'm like, I wanna try to get in those parts. So I would audition for those things. And

• 24:06Josh Horowitz?

  But there's, but there was

• 24:07Speaker 01

  Neon Demon, I guess, you know?

• 24:09Josh Horowitz?

  Oh yeah, that's a pretty out there adult thing.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  That was pretty gnarly. Yeah. Trying to think if there was like a discussion. I mean, I'm sure there was like a discussion with, you know, your team and your, you know, family and, and stuff of reading the scripts. But I'm almost wondering if my mom even ever read that script. Because there was a time when she would read them, you know, when I was young. She wasn't our manager or anything, but just to, you know, when we were kids, she had to know what we were doing, of course. But I was seven, I was 16, I turned 17 on that film. And even though the subject matter was like, you know, intense, there wasn't anything like overtly

• 24:53Josh Horowitz?

  Right. You're not doing anything that's horribly

• 24:56Speaker 01

  I didn't do anything. And my mom was on set every day for that too.

• 25:02Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  I've been walking out in the blood. I'm like, what am I doing? But yeah, I mean, there was like more of a, okay, we'll protect and, you know, when I'm younger. And then I, but there was also no talking me out of things. Like when I set my mind to it, like when Neon Demon came, I remember reading it like in my bedroom and like, and I had seen Drive and like, I knew who Nick Refn was. And I was like, I have to do this, but I also I had to get the part I had to I didn't audition, but I had a meeting at his house, I remember.

• 25:35Josh Horowitz?

  Unique guy.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 25:40Josh Horowitz?

  Here's a question about Super 8 that one of the podcast listeners sent in from Jenny.

• 25:46Josh Horowitz?

  She wanted to know if were there any lessons on that film that you applied to your current projects. Is that a turning point film for you in some ways?

• 25:54Speaker 01

  It was. There are different milestones and different turning points that I can like pinpoint in my career life. And I think that I'm I feel like I'm experiencing one right now, for sure, where you just feel a shift. And Super 8 actually marries into Sentimental Value in a way, because I've been thinking a lot about that experience because of something JJ told me when I was 12. I filmed it when I was 12. And it literally there's a scene in it that emulates kind of exactly what I did in Sentimental Value. Sentimental Value was a little more so, but I think it works together because there's a train scene in Super 8 where my character plays she's in the play or in the Super 8 movie with the

• 26:38Speaker 01

  kids and she surprises all the boys by actually being good in the scene. And so it's a moment where my character she gets emotional in the Super 8 film and all the boys are like, whoa. And then it's like a switch of like, oh, was that OK? You know, was that good? And and so the meta of acting within acting. And I remember JJ telling me on set, the emotion that she's feeling in that is a different emotion from when we see her break down and cry later in Super 8 when she's talking about her dad and and watching Super 8 footage of, you know, telling that story. So it's like, and I was like, at 12, I was like, right.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  I was like, OK, that's a different that's like authentic emotion. But when I'm playing, you know, the acting, it's still emotion, but it's like there's a little bit of facade and a filter. And so and Yokim and I talked about the same exact thing for Rachel with her kind of monologue. And then when she walks away from the film later. Two different, you know, coming from a different place. Which, yeah, it's like, sounds obvious, but it's just funny that I'd done it before.

• 27:48Josh Horowitz?

  Been there, done that.

• 27:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:49Josh Horowitz?

  I don't know if there are any connections to be made here, but I've never talked to you, this is a random one that people,

• 27:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:53Josh Horowitz?

  most people haven't even seen, probably, but Coppola, not Sofia, Francis.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 27:58Josh Horowitz?

  You were in Twixt with one of my favorite actors, Val Kilmer, the late, great Val Kilmer. And you had the rare Francis Ford Coppola experience.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  I did.

• 28:06Josh Horowitz?

  I don't know, what comes to mind when you think of that experience, of Francis or Val?

• 28:10Speaker 01

  I have many. So it was, okay, that experience, I wish, and it's somewhere, I gotta ask Francis to maybe give me one of these tapes. Because we would do rehearsals, because we stayed at his house.

• 28:27Josh Horowitz?

  Right. Do the games, the soundball, all that stuff, like those things?

• 28:31Speaker 01

  Ish. It was more actually, I forget what play it was, but he would give us pages to, there was a play, and I was like this southern girl, and he would video like home movies of these scenes, which that was not in Twix. I don't know if this was just, I guess it was exercise to like have us all kind of play together.

• 28:52Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 28:53Speaker 01

  And then my grandmother was with me, and he, she is like the most shy person ever, and he made her play my grandmother in one of these home movies. So I'm like, my grandmother's been directed by Francis Ford Coppola. Which I'm like, I haven't ever seen that footage, and it was me.

• 29:10Josh Horowitz?

  You have to track that.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  Like screaming, crying, and I was like chasing after a car, and like, "Please come back." Like, I was like, like a southern, like, girl, and he's like, "What clothes do you have?" Like, I put together my costume for it and things like that. And then we, I remember Francis, I don't know if I've told you this story before, but he showed me the red shoes for the first time.

• 29:40Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  And we would, you know, he would make dinner for us, like. Most nights and we would eat with him and and he said, he knew I did ballet. So he's like, I want to show you this movie that I love. It's called The Red Shoes. And so we like had a movie night and he showed me The Red Shoes for the first time, which I will never forget that. And then I looked, I heard something and I looked over and he had fallen asleep. He was snoring really loudly. And I was like, do I stay or do I go? I was like, do I finish the movie? And I stayed.

• 30:12Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, I took some video, took some photos. Dakota was sleeping.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  I know. And Val was, gosh, so nice to me. Amazing, too.

• 30:20Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

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• 31:26Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, so a couple of things I want to hit. We've talked about you and Dakota collaborating. It's actually, it's actually literally about to happen, right?

• 31:33Speaker 01

  It's actually real now. I mean, I feel so bad for everyone because we've like announced this so many times over the years. But it is happening. This spring, we are going to Budapest and we are filming.

• 31:45Josh Horowitz?

  So it does feel like, I mean, I think you guys did the recent, was it Vanity Fair cover together? That's so cool. And I love the lie detector test, all the stuff you've been doing together. It does feel like you've obviously Always been very, very close, but there's more of like the last couple of years. As you've been trying to get this off the ground and covid was involved etc. Like a willingness and excitement to like finally like, let's just rip the Band-Aid. We gotta just do this.

• 32:06Speaker 01

  I agree. Yes, and it wasn't so, I mean, when we didn't do it last time, it wasn't because, oh, we weren't ready. You know, it was, it was just like scheduling and directors changed and covid really derailed things. But I'm actually really glad that we are doing it now, that we have more time and we've been thinking about it. And just the place that we are at now and working together and we get to produce the film now, which is huge. And yeah, we're just, I think we're both, we're nervous about it. Whenever we look at each other, we're like, oh, we're going to do that. And we're just like, we're excited, but we just don't, it's gonna be.

• 32:49Josh Horowitz?

  Well, unlike those situations where like a married couple does a film and then half the time they break up. You can't break you guys up. It's not gonna happen. Your blood. Sorry.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  No, and we are incredibly close, but I think we'll bring, you know, all those sisterly emotions to it. And I think that it's gonna be really cathartic and interesting. And our first scene on set, I don't know what it's, I don't have the schedule exactly yet, but I'm like, I, I, I feel like I'm just gonna cry. Like, it's not, it's just, yeah.

• 33:22Josh Horowitz?

  Was it, was it tense when you got taller than her at a certain point? Was there like, did you see that happening in real time, like her starting to resent you a little bit?

• 33:29Speaker 01

  I know, I'm trying to think when that happened. I mean, I was always, you know, when you went to the doctor or whatever. I was always on like the 90th percentile of height growing up, so I think she, she, and she was always on the low end.

• 33:41Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 33:42Speaker 01

  So I think she knew the day would come.

• 33:44Josh Horowitz?

  What's the most excited you ever were for her to be cast in something? Like when she gets like Twilight, like were you into, maybe you were probably too young at that point.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  No, that was, yeah, that was a time for me. I was, my friends and I were freaking out. I'm team Edward all the way. Always have been. Yeah.

• 34:02Josh Horowitz?

  With apologies to Taylor, it is the correct answer. I mean, he's a nice guy, but let's be real.

• 34:06Speaker 01

  It is. Yeah, what does he say when he's like, um, oh God, what is, he says like, what's up, Loca? Or like, it's like some cringe lines or something.

• 34:15Josh Horowitz?

  There are a bunch of them. Well, Spider Monkey isn't a great one either.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  Spider Monkey's not great either. Spider monkeys are not great. But that was, like, my best friend and I were big Twilight, like, heads. And so she got to come to the premiere with me. She got to meet Robert. So I was, like, a big deal at my school in that time.

• 34:35Josh Horowitz?

  Is Kirsten an honorary Fanning at this point?

• 34:37Speaker 01

  She is. She's a lady of the lake, we say, actually. Which is, so my sister and her live in Toluca Lake.

• 34:44Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, I see.

• 34:44Speaker 01

  And I live in the valley, too. So I'm technically not a lady of the lake. But they're ladies of the lake.

• 34:51Josh Horowitz?

  Do you feel like Kirsten and Jessie are kind of like goals? Like a cool couple goals?

• 34:55Speaker 01

  They are. They're so good and they're so fun. And they're just the best couple ever. And she is a Fanning. She's the third sister. That's what we say.

• 35:04Josh Horowitz?

  Is there a dedicated WhatsApp or text group of just the three of you?

• 35:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, we have, like, it's not a, yeah, we just have, like, a group. We haven't named it, actually. But we, we have a group. We'll drop photos and lots of gossip in there.

• 35:16Josh Horowitz?

  So we talked off mic last time. You did shoot your, it's relatively small, just a few days for Hunger Games.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  Yes, I did.

• 35:23Josh Horowitz?

  So were you, were you Hunger Games person growing up?

• 35:27Speaker 01

  I was. I was an OG Hunger Games person of the, yeah, the OG films. And I always loved Effie. Who doesn't love Effie? So this is like a dream come true to, like, get, but I feel like the fans, like, cast me.

• 35:42Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  When the studio called, they were like, okay, we're getting hounded by the fans.

• 35:48Josh Horowitz?

  We don't actually want you. We just want them to stop talking to us.

• 35:50Speaker 01

  We just want, you know, them to stop messaging us. They're like, would you do it? Because it's like driving us crazy.

• 35:57Josh Horowitz?

  But Francis had directed you in something, I saw.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  He had, yeah.

• 36:00Josh Horowitz?

  In a commercial, right?

• 36:01Speaker 01

  He directed me in a Tiffany commercial back in the day. That I have a song with ASAP Ferg.

• 36:07Josh Horowitz?

  Sure. I could have guessed that, obviously.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  On Spotify. But, yeah, it was like two days of, of, of that. And he directed that commercial. And I loved him. We had a great time. And then, yeah, we had a Zoom where he kind of...

• 36:24Speaker 01

  Had sent me the Hunger Games script and we talked about kind of how he saw Effie in this movie and he's so nice and he's so able, I mean those films are so huge just the production of them.

• 36:36Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  And he's just like cool as a cucumber.

• 36:38Josh Horowitz?

  I know.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  It's like with ease, you know, and you still feel like you can have fun. It's like, okay, let's, yeah, do it again, do whatever you want, ad lib, he's like, say whatever, like, because I think that also Elizabeth Banks and Stanley Tucci, they really added a lot of ad libs and things. And so I was trying to come up with some good, I was like becoming a writer on, at night I would like try to come up with little quips of things that maybe people would like for her to say.

• 37:06Josh Horowitz?

  So who is most of your stuff with, can you say that?

• 37:09Speaker 01

  It's, I mean, it's true to the book, I mean, I really worked with a lot of, like, not everyone, but Joseph.

• 37:21Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, who plays young Woody.

• 37:23Josh Horowitz?

  It's weird not to be the youngest person in the cast at this point when you're like...

• 37:26Speaker 01

  So weird, well, they were all younger than me, like apart from, you know, Glenn Close and Jesse. It is, and I've had that experience, I first felt that on The Beguiled, where I was 18 and so was my, I didn't have a teacher, or did I, maybe I was still in school at the time, but I, because I was 18, I didn't have to do like the school hours on set and like there were kids that were with their moms, like my mom wasn't there and it was kind of, I was like, oh, like it was sweet, like looking back, like they were looking up to me, I'm like, whoa, like the roles have reversed for sure.

• 38:02Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 38:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:03Josh Horowitz?

  So, okay, another random one that sounds like it's a little ways off, but so you and Dakota are producing this Paris Hilton.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  We are.

• 38:10Josh Horowitz?

  This is a series based on her memoir.

• 38:12Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 38:13Josh Horowitz?

  So what's the, was Paris always a mutual obsession, I mean, I feel like there's this, been this reappraisal thankfully of Paris, like.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 38:22Josh Horowitz?

  It was a part she was essentially playing for the public for many years.

• 38:24Speaker 01

  Totally, well, she's like taken, you know, her power back.

• 38:27Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  That we've gotten to see and she's... I think with her book and the documentary that she had and just to see what she's been through and kind of the defense mechanisms that she's had to put up to be able to cope with, especially during that time, in like the early aughts of paparazzi and the magazine. I mean, just how, hey, it can be nasty now too, but it's in a different way.

• 38:50Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  And we were talking about this, like, my sister and I, where she would be, like, you know, not like afraid to go places, but there was like this fan site called like Ocean Up, that was kind of like a Perez Hilton but for like teens, like Miley Cyrus and Dakota would be on there, Selena, like trying to catch them be like bad, or like Ocean Up, it was like lived in fear of Ocean Up. She's like, I'm just trying to like grow up, you know?

• 39:20Josh Horowitz?

  Wow.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  And so it was just, yeah, like Paris, obviously on like a massive scale, but dealing with all of those things and what she had to, the PTSD I think she had too from, you know, the horrible schools, I mean, we can't even call them that, but there's places that she went to and we, but we were in her, you know, in the early aughts, like Dakota and I were young and obsessed with The Simple Life and obsessed with her and Nicole. Dakota always got to be Paris, I had to be Nicole, which is fine, but we would dress up and we would play The Simple Life.

• 39:57Josh Horowitz?

  Got it.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  And we wanted the exact dog carriers. We didn't have a dog, but from Fifi and Romeo, it was like this pink with white polka dot dog carrier for Christmas that was on our Christmas list so we could properly play with the real props.

• 40:12Josh Horowitz?

  Commitment to the authenticity, I appreciate that.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  And so we had stuffed chihuahuas. And I also really wanted a, I never got it, I wanted a pink trailer.

• 40:22Josh Horowitz?

  Like the actual trailer?

• 40:24Speaker 01

  For Christmas, because I thought, because they would travel around in the trailer, like sleep in the trailer. In some of the later Simple Life, they had like, yeah, the van that they would drive around in and sleep in. And I, that was on the Christmas list ever. Every year, never got it. Always thought I'd wake up in the morning and it'd be in the driveway outside.

• 40:45Josh Horowitz?

  Christmas is still a couple of weeks away.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  I know.

• 40:47Josh Horowitz?

  We don't know. And I think, look, I don't want to jinx it. Maybe an Oscar nomination equals future pink trailers.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  Trailer.

• 40:54Josh Horowitz?

  Put it in the rider.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 40:55Josh Horowitz?

  This is a new era for Elle Fanning.

• 40:57Speaker 01

  Yes, but that's, I mean, we would play that hardcore. So it is a pinch me moment to, because Paris is working with us and been to her house and...

• 41:05Josh Horowitz?

  Now, do you know between, you haven't said who's playing.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  We haven't. We're still trying to figure it out. We're trying to figure it out because also in her memoir, it spans a lot of years.

• 41:16Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 41:18Speaker 01

  There's, so to hit that sweet spot, to tell the story, there's, because then she's a lot younger.

• 41:26Josh Horowitz?

  Yes.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  As well. So we're like, hmm, would we be able to put, like, so we're trying to, we're trying to crack the code on all of that. It's still being written and everything, but...

• 41:37Josh Horowitz?

  Here's something from our last podcast conversation that really resonated with audiences that really traveled a lot. Something similar that you and Maya Hawke told me too.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 41:45Josh Horowitz?

  Which was about Instagram followers.

• 41:47Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, yes.

• 41:48Josh Horowitz?

  Like equalling, you know, viability as an actor. You were talking about like a kind of a franchisee role that you were up for that you think maybe you didn't get because of that. And Maya.

• 41:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 41:59Josh Horowitz?

  Essentially said the same thing, that she's very much made aware of that.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:02Josh Horowitz?

  Are you feeling any change in that? Is that like something you're still keenly aware of?

• 42:07Speaker 01

  I feel like it was definitely more of a thing.

• 42:13Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  I don't know if it is as much anymore. I don't know why.

• 42:18Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  But I do feel, but then also, someone told me the other day, a director, like, because we were actually talking about this exact thing. And they said they didn't feel like it was about Instagram followers, but like they were kind of peeling behind the curtain of talking about, like what does go on when you're trying to cast someone and what people like put into consideration.

• 42:45Josh Horowitz?

  You're telling me more and more. I want to know everything.

• 42:46Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  But they said that it was like, also, who will promote the movie well?

• 42:56Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  Which I'm like, that's just a kindness. I think that we all should support and promote.

• 43:01Josh Horowitz?

  Yes.

• 43:01Speaker 01

  But that is something apparently that's talked about, which I'm like, whoa, I didn't know that.

• 43:05Josh Horowitz?

  Good for you.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  I'm glad I'm sitting here.

• 43:09Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, so as you sit here, next phase, you're busy, you have a bunch of things that you're gonna be doing Nightingale soon, you're producing Paris, etc. Is there a specific kind of experience that you are chasing right now compared to where we were a couple of years back? This is the manifest moment on Happy Sec Confused.

• 43:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:26Josh Horowitz?

  This is your Predator Badlands captain moment.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  Yes. Okay.

• 43:32Speaker 01

  I mean...

• 43:35Speaker 01

  It's so boring. I mean, but I'm thinking...

• 43:39Speaker 01

  I want... Something that feels very meaty.

• 43:44Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  That it's... I get to... Feel like I... Really can transform myself. Not... It doesn't have to be physically. I mean, it can be, but it doesn't have to be. It's just that...

• 44:01Speaker 01

  That feels like a real challenge or a stretch and that it's... I don't know, like...

• 44:07Josh Horowitz?

  It feels like a satisfying kind of...

• 44:09Speaker 01

  Satisfying, yes.

• 44:11Josh Horowitz?

  It is all that satisfaction in whatever form it takes. You got this... You got something out of this Yo-Keem experience, like in a profound way.

• 44:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 44:21Josh Horowitz?

  In a different way, you got something out of the Predator experience. You're like, you checked that box. You're like, I can do that.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  So I feel like once that that is there, it's like, oh, and I've felt that before in other parts that I've done, like, you know, if people haven't, you know, seen the movies or not, but like I've felt, I have felt that feeling like... I remember when I did Ginger and Rosa and I was young. I was like 12, but that movie was like so profound for me. Cause it was like the first time I really didn't feel like myself and it was like, kind of... Like very emotionally driven and like, okay, I'm like, I want that.

• 44:55Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  I just want that experience to sink into something. I mean, I do think the Nightingale will be that.

• 44:59Josh Horowitz?

  Are you...

• 45:00Speaker 01

  I do.

• 45:00Josh Horowitz?

  Again, we talked before, I think, about you're not the biggest fan of the auditions, the self-tapes, all of that. Are you... Have you had any, whether you can name them or not, memorable experiences that have, will haunt you or feel good in recent, last year or two?

• 45:17Speaker 01

  No, I haven't had to really.

• 45:20Josh Horowitz?

  This is the incentive to really rise up the ranks.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  I haven't had to audition in a while, or like, or at least if sometime if they'll say, "Will you?" And I'll be like, "What?"

• 45:29Josh Horowitz?

  I don't know if that's gonna do me any favors.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  I know, but I mean, hey, if something really did come along with the director. You know, like, but I mean, I fainted at an audition, remember?

• 45:37Josh Horowitz?

  I know, like the Chastain one, right?

• 45:39Speaker 01

  It was it? Yes, it was. Yes, it was. That was it. And I was like, "Oh crap." I mean, I fainted and I didn't get that part.

• 45:47Josh Horowitz?

  You also fainted at Cannes?

• 45:49Speaker 01

  Yes. I've been known to faint. There was a time when I grew, I was growing so tall.

• 45:56Josh Horowitz?

  Body couldn't keep up.

• 45:57Speaker 01

  Yes, that's what my doctor said. It was like you were growing so much in that time. And so at school, like, I would faint and things. And at Cannes, I was just like on my period, and like, my dress was like too tight.

• 46:09Josh Horowitz?

  Got it.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  But, uh, yeah, I just went, boop, I went down. And then who was standing, it was Colin Firth was standing above me.

• 46:16Josh Horowitz?

  If you're gonna have a gallant actor, it might as well be Colin Firth when you're going down.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah, he was like, "Are you okay?" He was like, "What just happened?"

• 46:25Josh Horowitz?

  Made an impression.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:27Josh Horowitz?

  All right, we're gonna end with the happy second few profoundly random questions. Some of these you've answered, some of these you haven't.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 46:32Josh Horowitz?

  Um, I, I think I know the answer to this. I haven't asked you this. Dogs or cats?

• 46:36Speaker 01

  Dogs.

• 46:37Josh Horowitz?

  Right. Do you have a dog? I know Llewellyn was.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  I don't. Llewellyn was our late, yeah, our family dog. Um, but, no, my sister has a dog, Bunny, who looks exactly like Llewellyn. Not a clone.

• 46:50Josh Horowitz?

  Not the Barbra Streisand route?

• 46:52Speaker 01

  No, but it is the same breed as the Barbra Streisand dog. It's a Catan de Tullier.

• 46:58Josh Horowitz?

  I've thought about it for my dog. I will never do that.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  I will never do the cloning.

• 47:01Josh Horowitz?

  I love my dog so much, but like, I, I, I did go down the road of Googling for a bit and then I'm like, no.

• 47:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, we can't, can't do that, no. But I'll get a dog eventually. I want a cocker spaniel.

• 47:11Josh Horowitz?

  Do you have a favorite video game of all time?

• 47:13Speaker 01

  Oh, gosh, and I know, hey, I'm in Death Stranding 2.

• 47:17Josh Horowitz?

  I know.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  And that, you know, the video game world, but I am not, I'm not super video game. I mean, I played a lot of Wii Sports. I like Guitar Hero.

• 47:26Josh Horowitz?

  That counts?

• 47:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:28Josh Horowitz?

  Um, what's the current wallpaper on your phone? Last time it was Llewellyn.

• 47:32Speaker 01

  Yes, this time it's my boyfriend and I. We're holding hands.

• 47:35Josh Horowitz?

  Very sweet.

• 47:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, photo of our hands.

• 47:37Josh Horowitz?

  Last actor you were mistaken for?

• 47:39Speaker 01

  Mmm.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  I mean, it's always Dakota.

• 47:42Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  Some people could say,

• 47:48Speaker 01

  well, Bill Hader, we know.

• 47:52Speaker 01

  That I look like Jack Hader.

• 47:53Josh Horowitz?

  Jack Quaid also gets Bill Hader. Do you ever get Jack Quaid?

• 47:55Speaker 01

  Really? I can see that too. I can see that too. And there's also, not that I don't, I don't really, but, and I've never really gotten mistaken for it, but I feel like Emma Stone, there's something, it's in the nose. Bill, Jack, Emma, me, it's like, it's in the, you know, it's in the nose.

• 48:15Josh Horowitz?

  It's in the nose.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  We all are like, we live in Whoville a little bit. I'll take it.

• 48:21Josh Horowitz?

  Last time you gave me, let's see if this is a different note. Worst note a director has ever given you, what jumps out?

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Oh, um.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  See if it's changed. I wish, gosh, I probably had some real, like, doozies.

• 48:37Josh Horowitz?

  Also, I imagine directing kids, some of the things that come out of people's eyes are like...

• 48:41Speaker 01

  Also, it's like they, I think with kids too, they want to like, not all, but some of it like talk down to, and then you're just a little like, no, it's like, I know what the story is, I know I'm playing a character.

• 48:52Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  I mean, I was a kid that knew that, you know? Some kids don't.

• 48:56Josh Horowitz?

  Sure.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  But it was like, you don't have to like, pretend that you're filming me.

• 49:01Josh Horowitz?

  Yes.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean?

• 49:02Josh Horowitz?

  You don't have to trick me into this.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  I know that you're filming me, yeah.

• 49:05Josh Horowitz?

  I see the camera. I'm not an idiot. I'm a child, but I'm not an idiot.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  Exactly. I'm like, I know. So if you want me to, you know, I know that, but, um, yeah, I, I don't know, I, yeah. When it's overanalyzed, like, I like, and I probably said this, but it's like, I like, okay, weirder, sadder.

• 49:22Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  More angry, like, just.

• 49:24Josh Horowitz?

  Specific and...

• 49:25Speaker 01

  Specific and, yeah, succinct, I think.

• 49:27Josh Horowitz?

  What's the current movie that makes you happy, or a recent movie that makes you happy?

• 49:30Speaker 01

  Ooh, recent movie, um, well, what makes me happy?

• 49:35Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 49:38Josh Horowitz?

  You can also go back further.

• 49:39Speaker 01

  I'm just watching TV shows.

• 49:40Josh Horowitz?

  We'll do that, we'll do that.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  That's the thing.

• 49:42Josh Horowitz?

  TV.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  I mean, I am watching Pluribus.

• 49:44Josh Horowitz?

  I was just watching it all of the weekend.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I'm caught up, so now I'm like, there's definitely, it's definitely dead bodies in there.

• 49:51Josh Horowitz?

  I've seen a couple of episodes ahead.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  Oh, you have? It's even worse?

• 49:55Josh Horowitz?

  No, I mean, I'm not saying that, I didn't say anything.

• 49:56Speaker 01

  I want it to be as bad as possible. But Pluribus, I mean, not that it's like, ooh, making me like in a great mood, but I'm enjoying it.

• 50:04Josh Horowitz?

  Enjoying the...

• 50:05Speaker 01

  Also, never have I ever, have you ever watched that?

• 50:07Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, I never watched it. People like it, yeah.

• 50:08Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm like, in, it was, it's like, I don't know, it's just a fun idea, like John McEnroe like narrates the whole thing.

• 50:16Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, right, that's right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  And, like, I'm just in, like, I'm invested, it's making me happy, it's putting me in a good mood, for sure.

• 50:24Josh Horowitz?

  A movie that makes you sad?

• 50:26Speaker 01

  A movie that makes me sad, well, I always, I mean, Arrival, which I probably said last...

• 50:31Josh Horowitz?

  No, you didn't, you said About Time, Arrival's a great call.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  Okay, Arrival makes me sad.

• 50:35Josh Horowitz?

  And it wrecks me, yeah.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  Every time, Arrival makes me cry.

• 50:38Josh Horowitz?

  Have you seen Hamnet yet? You know about the music there?

• 50:40Speaker 01

  I have, okay, so actually with Hamnet, I was in Telluride, and we all went together.

• 50:47Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  And, I don't know if it was the altitude, though, but I got so, I could've, I was on the brink of fainting again. It was like midway, right when it happens, and I, I had to, I think the altitude there is bad, so I had to get like the oxygen, but I had to, to leave midway through, which I did not want to do, the movie is so beautiful, but I, I think it was just working me up.

• 51:16Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  I mean, it's very emotional.

• 51:18Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  But yeah, so I, I actually, I'm gonna, I'm actually not even just gonna finish, I need to, I'm gonna watch from start to finish, because I think it, it deserves that.

• 51:26Josh Horowitz?

  Well, when you see it from start to finish, you'll see there's a connection with Arrival.

• 51:30Speaker 01

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 51:32Josh Horowitz?

  I don't want to say anymore, okay. And finally, a, you said pickles last time, a food that makes you confused, is it still pickles, anything else?

• 51:38Speaker 01

  Oh, cucumbers, they're adjacent to pickles.

• 51:40Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, in the family, in the family.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  Or like celery.

• 51:43Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 51:43Speaker 01

  Celery's not food.

• 51:44Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, celery is, I, I'm with you.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  Like, it's wa, it's all water.

• 51:47Josh Horowitz?

  It just takes up space in the salad.

• 51:49Speaker 01

  What is that?

• 51:49Josh Horowitz?

  Why are we doing this?

• 51:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:50Josh Horowitz?

  I agree.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  It's not nutrients, really.

• 51:52Josh Horowitz?

  No.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:55Josh Horowitz?

  She said it. I think we talked about sentimental value a little bit, too, it's a great movie.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 52:00Josh Horowitz?

  You know I adore this movie, you're fantastic in it, we're in month four or five of The Run, it will continue.

• 52:08Josh Horowitz?

  It's a worthy cause to spread the good word of this one. Congratulations as always, and thank you for the time.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 52:16Speaker 02

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• 52:35Speaker 02

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• 53:18Speaker 02

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