Pretty Little Episode #61

Mae gives Tig all the facts about a "dance plague," plus the two handsome hosts talk about avoiding regret, Marc Maron, and game shows that have *not* aged well, all on a timeless Pretty Little Episode! Handsome is hosted by Tig Notaro, Mae Martin, and Fortune FeimsterSubmit your questions to speakpipe.com/handsomepod http://speakpipe.com/handsomepodFollow us on social media @handsomepodMerch at handsomepod.com http://handsomepod.com/Watch Handsome on YouTube http://youtube.com/@handsomepodThis is a Headgum https://headgum.com/ podcast. Follow Headgum on Twitter https://x.com/headgum, Instagram https://www.instagram.com/headgum/, and Tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@headgum. Advertise on Handsome https://gumball.fm/shows/handsome via Gumball.fm http://gumball.fm/. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:04Mae Martin?

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• 1:50Tig Notaro?

  Welcome to the pretty little episode starring two of our hosts from the Handsome Podcast. I am Tig Notaro.

• 2:00Mae Martin?

  And I am Mae Martin. I like how you said starring.

• 2:04Tig Notaro?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:04Mae Martin?

  Starring.

• 2:05Tig Notaro?

  We are stars.

• 2:06Mae Martin?

  We are starring in this episode.

• 2:08Tig Notaro?

  Mm hmm. Well, you're a star. I mean, we were just talking about it. Like, your show is number one in the world, Mae Martin.

• 2:15Mae Martin?

  It's popping off. It's crazy.

• 2:18Tig Notaro?

  That is so exciting. Congrats to you.

• 2:21Mae Martin?

  Thank you. It's really, really exciting. I'm glued to my phone, reading every, every nice comment and focusing on the one bad one.

• 2:32Mae Martin?

  No, it's really exciting.

• 2:34Tig Notaro?

  You said you're going to, on your retreat soon, and I'm very curious, because you were just saying before we got on, that you have, you'll be away from your phone for six days. You have not done that as an adult.

• 2:46Mae Martin?

  Yeah, because I guess I was 16 when I got my first phone, so yeah.

• 2:51Tig Notaro?

  Here's my question. It's interesting that you said this because I just started reading the book Dopamine Nation.

• 2:59Mae Martin?

  Yes, I have that on my shelf and I'm too addicted to my phone to open it.

• 3:03Tig Notaro?

  Oh, it's really interesting because it's not just phone. I just, on the cover, it says, you know, how to create balance or whatever in your life. And I was like, oh, you know, that's kind of where I am. I'm in the middle of trying to create balance where I shifted my episode load of Star Trek and tour schedule, scaling that down a little bit so I can be home way more.

• 3:28Mae Martin?

  So is that kind of what it's about? That we're like a burnout society where we're just chasing, and how is it related?

• 3:35Tig Notaro?

  Dopamine. Just, yeah. Yeah, it's just everything, you know, it basically gets into the world more so of addiction and which I didn't realize.

• 3:46Mae Martin?

  I know, I will.

• 3:48Tig Notaro?

  I know it, man. But um, yeah, I just, I was curious about the, the uh, life balance, but I guess that makes a lot of sense that it's people's addictions that kind of get in the way. And whether it's a work addiction, phone addiction, sex, alcohol, drugs,

• 4:09Tig Notaro?

  social media, whatever, whatever it is. Um, it's, it's really interesting to read. And um, I was curious if you had read it when you, when you, because you were talking about dopamine before we got on.

• 4:22Mae Martin?

  I think a lot about dopamine and, and I've been reading about the correlation between ADHD and dopamine and um, yeah, and I mean, Gabor Maté, that guy says that any, an addiction is anything that you crave, find relief in, and can't give up despite it having negative consequences in your life.

• 4:43Tig Notaro?

  Wow, you got that down.

• 4:45Mae Martin?

  Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think about it a lot because I'm like, yeah, I was up till 3:30 last night. A big part of it was because I could not put my phone down. And I was reading very interesting things.

• 4:56Tig Notaro?

  And interesting things like reviews about your show or just like interesting things? No, I'm serious because is that what you mean?

• 5:05Mae Martin?

  Yeah, that. And but I was also going down a rabbit hole about this dance plague. Have you heard of this?

• 5:10Tig Notaro?

  Oh, boy. Here we go.

• 5:11Mae Martin?

  So this was 1518 and there was this-

• 5:15Tig Notaro?

  Yes, of course I know about this, May.

• 5:17Mae Martin?

  It was, there was this woman called like Frau Truff, Truffoody or something.

• 5:22Tig Notaro?

  Of course.

• 5:23Mae Martin?

  Don't Google that. And she, but she was this woman who went into this small town and she starts dancing uncontrollably in the town square in 1518. This is documented and it spreads contagiously like wildfire.

• 5:36Tig Notaro?

  What was it documented on?

• 5:38Mae Martin?

  Probably scratched into an old tree or something.

• 5:41Tig Notaro?

  An old stone?

• 5:42Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 5:43Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, okay.

• 5:44Mae Martin?

  And then the whole town starts dancing and they keep dancing for one week straight. And people died, like 15 people died because they were dancing so hard. And then this woman just goes, okay, my work's done. And she dances over to another town and she starts another dance play.

• 6:00Tig Notaro?

  She's basically a serial killer.

• 6:03Mae Martin?

  Yeah, she's like, I don't know. I've got to dig into this.

• 6:06Tig Notaro?

  Dancing town to town, killing people?

• 6:09Mae Martin?

  Oh, I'm crying. I mean, I-

• 6:12Mae Martin?

  It was really making me laugh last night because it can't be true.

• 6:15Tig Notaro?

  Oh my, so this is up until three in the morning. This is what you're reading?

• 6:19Mae Martin?

  Yeah, I couldn't tell you my sources, you know?

• 6:21Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, of course. Yeah. And who cares? We don't need sources.

• 6:25Mae Martin?

  No, but I mean, it is a, I think it is a real thing. But then I was thinking, um,

• 6:31Tig Notaro?

  Wait, what's a real thing? The dancing?

• 6:33Mae Martin?

  The dance plague that struck Europe in 1518.

• 6:36Tig Notaro?

  Nobody's doubting this.

• 6:37Mae Martin?

  Okay, good.

• 6:37Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, everybody's accepting it. This is a may fact. In fact, I have, I have this.

• 6:45Mae Martin?

  Yeah, great. And then the funny thing was, uh, apparently, once all the townspeople started dancing, the people, the heads of the town or whatever were like, well, we don't know what to do. So just send in some musicians. So then these musicians go in and just start playing along. They're just like, I guess we're doing this. And then, yeah.

• 7:03Tig Notaro?

  It's so interesting how not interested in that I am.

• 7:08Mae Martin?

  Well, what would your?

• 7:10Tig Notaro?

  Like, that would not keep me glued to my phone until three in the morning.

• 7:15Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 7:15Tig Notaro?

  Like, I just, even when you just, you told me the very beginning, I'm like, okay, I get it. You danced all night. You died.

• 7:22Mae Martin?

  Yeah. Why does it hook me? It's gotta be a dopamine nation that I'm like, I'm like, every new little detail gives me a little hit of dopamine, maybe. Or I don't know. I'm like, and then, and then I, I think, oh, I gotta do, maybe I can do stand up about it. Maybe I should do a painting of a dance plague. I don't know.

• 7:38Tig Notaro?

  Maybe you should start a whole podcast about it and like really get it off your chest.

• 7:44Mae Martin?

  Yeah. And it's called, it's like an in-depth 12-episode on the History Channel.

• 7:49Tig Notaro?

  I don't know. Maybe a two-parter is fun.

• 7:52Mae Martin?

  Okay, sure, sure. To be honest, I've said all I know about it. You know, I've already exhausted the well. Frau Trefertie, though, I mean, so if you were in your small town and an old lady came and started dancing in the square manically.

• 8:06Tig Notaro?

  Wait, we're still talking about this? Oh, no. I just told you I wasn't interested.

• 8:16Tig Notaro?

  Okay, so.

• 8:17Mae Martin?

  Just would you have joined in?

• 8:19Tig Notaro?

  No, no.

• 8:21Mae Martin?

  No, I can imagine you would have looked out your window and been like, oh, boy.

• 8:25Tig Notaro?

  I'd close the blinds and go back to whittling or whatever you do.

• 8:30Mae Martin?

  So what would keep you glued to your phone? Like, what rabbit hole would you go down?

• 8:36Tig Notaro?

  Well, what I was relating to when I was reading this book is my issue with news, which I go in and out of where I'm like following every detail possible. And then I kind of step away and I'll just listen to an NPR news app that only updates, you know, with five minutes of news a day. And then I'm like, I'm good. And then I go about my life, but I've noticed that, you know, this past year I've been really following the news. And I was telling Stephanie that I of course think it's important to know what's going on

• 9:17Tig Notaro?

  in the world, but there's also a certain level of knowledge that there's, I'm not saying anything new, but it's just that there's so much out there and so much of it is just like opinion pieces or clickbait news. And I just, I don't want to spend my time. And that's what this book got me thinking about is like, I don't want to, that's, you know, news is there to inform you, but it's also a business where they're trying to just keep you sucked in. And I feel like a fool because it's working and I don't like that feeling.

• 9:55Mae Martin?

  I mean, how long is it until someone picks up the news story that we're hosting the Oscars and runs with it? We keep putting it out there and no one cares.

• 10:04Tig Notaro?

  It hasn't been officially announced, but people will be very excited to know we are going to be hosting the Oscars.

• 10:11Mae Martin?

  You, me and Thomas, weirdly.

• 10:13Tig Notaro?

  Hmm, yes. Fortune is going to be a production assistant that night.

• 10:20Tig Notaro?

  With her headset, yeah, that's what I was going to say is they saw her on our YouTube channel with her headset and they were like. All right, we found our PA.

• 10:31Mae Martin?

  Yeah, she'll be scurrying around ushering.

• 10:34Tig Notaro?

  As she does. Fortune's a real scurrer.

• 10:39Tig Notaro?

  Well, should we scurry into some questions from our wonderful listeners?

• 10:44Mae Martin?

  Masterfully transitioned. Yeah.

• 10:46Tig Notaro?

  Thank you.

• 10:47Speaker 00

  Hi Tig, hi May, hi Fortune. This is Sheila in South Bend, Indiana. And my question is about having avoided regret. What is something that you are so grateful for that you knew if you, looking back over it, that if you hadn't done it, you would regret it? Whether it be something like making a phone call, taking a job, saying, visiting a friend, just something when you look back over it, you think, God, it was super innocuous at the time, but it wasn't. It was something bigger.

• 11:21Tig Notaro?

  Hmm, I like that.

• 11:23Mae Martin?

  I like that she said innocuous because it's, yeah, what's something that you didn't know it would alter your life. Yeah. You got something?

• 11:30Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, I was living in Colorado and I have this little friend group from my childhood and they were all wanting to move to Los Angeles, get into TV and film. And I wasn't interested and had, I just had no interest. It wasn't on my radar at all to go to Los Angeles. And so they were going to move out to LA and I was going to stay in Colorado. And then I went through a breakup right as my friends were packing the moving truck. And we, you know, we had kind of followed each other around, or I followed them when they went to college and went to different cities.

• 12:14Tig Notaro?

  And, and so when they were going to LA, I said, well, my relationship's over. I guess I'll throw my stuff in the moving truck and go with you to Los Angeles. And, and my plan was just to stay there for six months. And when I got to LA was when I saw all of the opportunity to do stand up in coffee shops and bars and restaurants. And, and it was a secret fantasy of mine to do stand up. And so I was like, oh, well, maybe I'll try and do an open mic since I'm out here. And other cities at the time, this was the mid 90s and.

• 12:55Tig Notaro?

  It wasn't as common to have open mics in every little nook and cranny that you walked into, you know, it was a lot of times you had the major clubs that the city offered and it was hard to, you know, stand out or get on stage or, you know, so anyway, I accidentally moved here and accidentally got into stand up. And here I am almost 30 years later, living in LA.

• 13:24Mae Martin?

  Oh man.

• 13:25Tig Notaro?

  As a stand up comedian.

• 13:26Mae Martin?

  So that breakup, actually, yeah, was the best thing. Cause who would you be if you'd stayed in Colorado? Like, would you have maybe done stand up there in coffee shops and stuff, but it wouldn't have led like?

• 13:37Tig Notaro?

  I guess. I don't know that there were coffee shop open mic. I really don't know. I remember the main comedy club in Denver had an open mic and you did three minutes. And I think the manager of the club would watch the open mic and if you did well, they'd invite you back to the open mic. But if you didn't, you're out of rotation. So it seemed daunting to me. Cause I had looked into it in Colorado. But a lot of people think, oh, you shouldn't start stand up in LA because there's so many agents and managers. You don't want to like, be seen too early. But I feel like it's the opposite, that you can

• 14:19Tig Notaro?

  fly under the radar for so long in a major city like LA or New York and be doing these coffee, like 20 different coffee shops.

• 14:28Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 14:29Tig Notaro?

  Open mics.

• 14:30Mae Martin?

  And you can just get stage time and then you can, there's, yeah. And there's just more of a gung ho attitude of like, start your own monthly night or like, yeah.

• 14:38Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 14:39Mae Martin?

  Okay. I love that. I'm, yeah. I can picture it. I can picture, I'm picturing you having like a big backpack and throwing it in the truck at the last minute and going, guys, wait up, I'm coming with you.

• 14:56Mae Martin?

  And were they, were your friends pumped that you were joining them?

• 14:59Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, I mean, I, you know, they found an apartment and I slept on their couch for months until I got my own place. Cause I was like, I guess I'm not going back to Colorado cause my, my stand-up bug really kinda kicked in and.

• 15:13Mae Martin?

  My, I mean, I, I moved here similarly, thinking it was for six months and.

• 15:17Tig Notaro?

  Now you own a home.

• 15:19Mae Martin?

  I know. Now I'm, yeah.

• 15:22Mae Martin?

  Well, when I was making Feel Good, I wrote it with an actor in mind to play my girlfriend, Charlotte Ritchie. And everyone said, okay, but that's just like, you guys should still do a chemistry read together because you know each other and we got, you know, the whole show is riding on that chemistry. And so she came in and I have never done a worse audition. I could not stop laughing. She couldn't stop laughing. I'd never acted before. I was like bright red. I couldn't make eye contact. I, we were, I just, and everyone was like, oh, well, thank God we did this because this is not going to work. And you gotta see a lot of different people. And then I, I just like had a gut feeling. And then I put my

• 16:04Mae Martin?

  foot down and was like, can we do one more chemistry read? And then we had two glasses of wine secretly before the second chemistry read.

• 16:13Tig Notaro?

  Was, did you show up to the chemistry read with purple teeth?

• 16:16Mae Martin?

  Yeah, yeah. I'm just like, wow. Yeah. But I'm glad. I think that Joe and I, who wrote it, knew that it was supposed to be her. So yeah, that's what I'm gonna go with.

• 16:28Tig Notaro?

  Awesome. Love it.

• 16:29Mae Martin?

  Should we hear Sheila's answer?

• 16:31Tig Notaro?

  Yeah, let's hear what Sheila has to say. I bet this is gonna be good.

• 16:35Speaker 00

  For me, it was the last time I spoke to my father. He and I kept playing telephone tag over a weekend. And finally, we caught up with each other and it would seem like an inconvenient time for me, but I took the phone call anyway. Something told me to. And I'm so glad I did because I lost him five days later. So yeah, that's my question. And thanks for all you do. Make sure you keep it handsome.

• 16:59Tig Notaro?

  Hmm. Yeah, I had a feeling this was coming from like a real place of, of something. Sorry for the loss of your dad, but man, how great that. She answered that call.

• 17:13Mae Martin?

  Yeah, I always, I have that fear with a lot of, with all my relationships. Like I'm, yeah. Um, yeah, that's great that, that you got to talk to him. And we're sorry for your loss.

• 17:25Tig Notaro?

  When I leave the house, even if I'm just going to get lunch or at night bedtime, I'm very, you know, it's that brutal lesson of losing my mother as well, where I'm like, I love you and good night. And, you know, I just, I,

• 17:48Mae Martin?

  I'm picturing you saying it like that really intensely as you've tucked them in. I love you. Good night.

• 17:54Tig Notaro?

  I love you. In case I die in my sleep.

• 17:57Mae Martin?

  Yeah, but no, but that, I mean, having learned that awful lesson and how abrupt and seemingly random it can be. Yeah. I, yeah.

• 18:06Tig Notaro?

  Yeah.

• 18:07Mae Martin?

  You gotta, you gotta say, I love you all the time.

• 18:09Tig Notaro?

  Absolutely. I love you, May. I love you, Thomas.

• 18:12Mae Martin?

  Love you too. Love you, Thomas.

• 18:14Speaker 04

  Love you guys.

• 18:15Tig Notaro?

  All right.

• 18:16Mae Martin?

  But you know, I have letters on my computer in case I got hit by a bus. Like, just so you guys know, I haven't told anyone that, but you,

• 18:23Tig Notaro?

  Oh.

• 18:23Mae Martin?

  I'm gonna say Thomas is in charge of,

• 18:25Tig Notaro?

  Okay.

• 18:26Mae Martin?

  Of, um,

• 18:27Tig Notaro?

  Well, he is the head of HR.

• 18:28Mae Martin?

  Exactly.

• 18:29Speaker 04

  Execute your will.

• 18:30Mae Martin?

  Yeah, well, just give out the, the letters. They're all on my desktop. Yeah, just in case.

• 18:35Tig Notaro?

  Wow. Okay.

• 18:36Mae Martin?

  Yeah. I haven't actually specifically written you on TikTok, but maybe I will. But then sometimes it seems morbid and I'm like, am I tempting fate?

• 18:43Tig Notaro?

  That's okay. If you die and I don't have a letter, I, I won't be mad at you.

• 18:47Mae Martin?

  Just know the thought was there.

• 18:49Tig Notaro?

  I know. I know it was.

• 18:50Mae Martin?

  Yeah. It'll be a 25 page to Tom, letter to Thomas.

• 18:54Tig Notaro?

  To Tom. Next question.

• 18:56Speaker 04

  Hey handsome, this is John. I am a part-time, stay-at-home, pretty little daddy, uh, in New York City. I quit my full-time job after my husband and I had our first of two little cubs. And one of the ways I try to stay sane as a parent is I just listen to lots and lots of podcasts. Most recently, I binged all of the handsome pod episodes, uh, which has made me really admire and respect and appreciate the three of y'all. I wonder if there's something that you have binged. It's a podcast or a show or books or food that is memorable to you.

• 19:35Mae Martin?

  Oh, that's, that's great. And thank you. And I like that he said Cubs. That's what you say.

• 19:41Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. And I also like Pretty Little Daddy.

• 19:43Mae Martin?

  Pretty Little Daddy is really good.

• 19:45Tig Notaro?

  Really good.

• 19:46Mae Martin?

  Do you think that's a merch item?

• 19:49Tig Notaro?

  Yes, yes. Really good. Put it on the list, Thomas.

• 19:53Mae Martin?

  Assless Chaps.

• 19:54Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. John, thank you for that.

• 19:59Tig Notaro?

  I don't feel like I've binged anything recently, other than, like I said, the news, but I would say the closest that I've come is I really enjoy Marc Maron's podcast WTF. And I would say I've listened to more of his podcasts than anything else that I've listened to.

• 20:23Mae Martin?

  Oh, yeah. Have you been on it?

• 20:25Tig Notaro?

  Uh huh. Yeah, I've been on a few times over the years and.

• 20:28Mae Martin?

  He's such a good interviewer.

• 20:30Tig Notaro?

  He's so good and he's so knowledgeable and he's also not afraid to, you know, really speak his mind and stand up for the little guys and girls and ladies. And, um, and I text him pretty frequently saying, listen, you are one of those people that I don't care if you hate my guts. I love what you're doing.

• 20:56Tig Notaro?

  But, um, yeah, he's just been like a really fun surprise in my career. Because I think a lot of people his age in the comedy world have gone in a very different direction. And I, I really like and respect where he's headed.

• 21:15Mae Martin?

  Yeah, I noticed that recently, especially he's been very vocal about, about all the right things and, and being funny about it. And also it's unfortunately.

• 21:27Mae Martin?

  When someone like him says it, people listen as well. Like, that's why it's so valuable to have allies, because it's like, you know, he has access to all those, all those people.

• 21:37Tig Notaro?

  And he just really does not care what any, like, it's, anyway, yes, I have not listened to all of his podcasts, but he's somebody I go click and check into when I'm traveling. And I'm like, oh, that looks good. I'm gonna listen to that.

• 21:57Mae Martin?

  My answer is a lot reflects worse on me than yours, which is I've been binging old episodes of The Weakest Link, this British show where people are competing with rapid fire trivia to win money. And it's so toxic. So I'm watching the ones from the 90s and the early 2000s, and Ann Robinson hosts it, and it has not aged well. But I kind of, it makes me laugh because there'll be a guy, he's like, who's like, hello, my name's Jeff, I'm a fireman. And she's like, a fireman allowed to be gay, Jeff? And he's like, like, she's so offensive. And he's like, what? And she goes, that haircut's very gay, isn't it, Jeff? She's real, but I kind of, it kills me. It's like, how did we let this happen?

• 22:42Mae Martin?

  She's so offensive, but I love it. And because I like the fast trivia, and I like trying to guess the answers along with the TV. And then I like how awful she is. And she always goes, you are the weakest link. Goodbye. A fireman allowed to be gay, Jeff? It's the best. It's really good.

• 23:01Tig Notaro?

  You know who would have a lot to say about her?

• 23:03Mae Martin?

  Who?

• 23:04Tig Notaro?

  Marc Maron.

• 23:05Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 23:08Tig Notaro?

  Let's hear what John has to say.

• 23:10Mae Martin?

  Yeah.

• 23:11Speaker 04

  And my answer is, in the first year of the pandemic, when I had a little toddler and a lot of time on my hands, I binged the first, like, almost 15 years of This American Life episodes, which is actually how I discovered Tig, and ultimately, The Three of Y'all. So that was another great one. Thank y'all so much, and keep it handsome.

• 23:33Mae Martin?

  I actually have done that. I did that exact thing in the pandemic at This American Life and you come, you feel smarter, you feel, yeah, like you understand the world better.

• 23:42Tig Notaro?

  It's such a great show.

• 23:43Mae Martin?

  Fuck, it's so good.

• 23:44Tig Notaro?

  It's so good. Just the, the way they tie stories in together and themes and whatever. We don't need to promote shows other than our own, right? Ira doesn't deserve that kind of attention. He owes us a question. He keeps saying he's gonna do it and he'll be like, I'm a terrible person. I know, I know. I'll do it.

• 24:06Mae Martin?

  I'll, I'll do it. Ready?

• 24:08Tig Notaro?

  Uh huh.

• 24:09Mae Martin?

  I'm Ira Glass. This week on the podcast, we're talking to people who have made a mistake. Was that good?

• 24:15Tig Notaro?

  It was alright.

• 24:17Mae Martin?

  Well, I'll work on it.

• 24:18Tig Notaro?

  It was, it was good. He's not congested in the way that you think.

• 24:24Tig Notaro?

  Yeah. But, but your, your delivery is impeccable.

• 24:29Mae Martin?

  Thank you. I'm gonna, I'm gonna practice. Please submit your questions and advice requests to speakpipe.com/hansampod.

• 24:37Tig Notaro?

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• 24:48Mae Martin?

  You won't regret it.

• 24:50Tig Notaro?

  You will not. There will be no regrets. And I don't know, until next time, I think everyone should keep it pretty handsome.

• 25:01Mae Martin?

  Handsome is hosted by me, Mae Martin, Tig Notaro, and Fortune Feimster. The show is produced, recorded, and edited by Thomas Willett. Email us at [email protected] and please follow us on social media at HandsomePod.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  That was a HeadGum Podcast.