Pod Insights Hamish & Andy 2025 Ep 296 - Another Jumper Taken Hostage! About this episode With barely any info to go on, Hamish dives headfirst into a “Wriggle Out” request from one of our listeners who’s desperate to dodge helping a mate move house. Andy spills the beans on something nerve-wracking he did in the car — and no, it definitely wasn’t a car poo! It also seems like it’s getting harder for you to stump us with a “Tell Us Someone” we haven’t thought of in ages, and there’s a “Song Sleuth” showdown featuring Katy Perry and another mega artist. Oh, and of course, the Weasel’s back at it — with another jumper taken hostage!
1. Wiggle out request
2. Tooting the police
3. Tell Us Someone We Haven’t Thought Of In A While
4. Jack ‘borrows’ another jumper
5. Song sleuth - Katy Perry vs. Drake
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0:23 Speaker 02 Ahoy to me band, Hamish.
0:26 Speaker 03 Oh, hello, and I hope Jack's a jig and a U A two-handed saw.
0:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, no, not saws.
0:35 Speaker 03 Okay.
0:36 Speaker 02 Ah, ahoy to my crown, Jack.
0:38 Speaker 03 Crown and a band.
0:41 Speaker 02 I don't know.
0:41 Speaker 03 I think I will give it away. I'm the brim.
0:45 Speaker 02 Oh, we're part of.
0:46 Speaker 03 Famous parts of hats. I'm sure there's others, but they're the three most famous.
0:51 Speaker 02 Three main parts of a hat.
0:53 Speaker 03 Main hats, yes.
0:54 Speaker 02 Yes, obviously the band is the strip of material that goes around the base of the crown, which is Jack, the vertical part of the hat that covers the head. And I am the brim that makes it.
1:03 Speaker 03 Well, I suppose you can have a hat without a brim, but I think they look a bit silly.
1:08 Speaker 02 Or a chef's hat.
1:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's true. That's true.
1:12 Speaker 02 The Pope's hat.
1:12 Speaker 03 And you can have, you can have a hat without a crown. You can have a visor, but um.
1:17 Speaker 02 Traditional hats.
1:18 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:19 Speaker 02 Traditional hats. That's just people that have taken the hat game to a whole new levels and they're just mucking around, pushing the limits, deleting aspects, adding aspects.
1:27 Speaker 03 But traditional hats, yeah, that's got the big three.
1:30 Speaker 02 With, with the Pope's hat, which is really tall.
1:33 Speaker 03 Ridiculous.
1:34 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:34 Speaker 03 He'd have to do neck strength exercises similar to the way we will have to do, depending on who is the one that is going to have the tallest hat on their head.
1:42 Speaker 02 I think that's why, that's one of the considerations. You know how they're talking about bringing in an age limit? They're like, we don't want a super old Pope, just for the osteoarthritis reasons, just to not snap a neck of an old man.
1:54 Speaker 03 Been the same hat, you know how like BMW will change the grill and bring out different models and change the lights and stuff like.
2:01 Speaker 02 But do you think it's the same hat for 2000 years?
2:03 Speaker 03 Or is it, is it the same size hat?
2:05 Speaker 02 Same hat.
2:05 Speaker 03 No, it's not the same hat.
2:06 Speaker 02 I think there would be someone that is famously the hat maker to the Pope.
2:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, but is it the same specs?
2:11 Speaker 04 Or can, as a new pope, can you come in and go, I'll have a taller one?
2:14 Speaker 02 It doesn't look, it doesn't look modern, does it? It doesn't look modern.
2:18 Speaker 04 Can you shorten it? Could I have a stumpy one?
2:20 Speaker 02 There'll be a pope that, yeah, that wears like, you know, a cap maybe. Maybe we see like a 59 inch come in or whatever. Like, we see, we see a cool hat come in, but I, yeah, I think, I think they go to traditional specs.
2:32 Speaker 04 I reckon the reason it's probably got taller over time is each pope's gone, just make it a little bigger than the last one. And it's got out of hand to the point that it's at now.
2:40 Speaker 03 Ahoy also to Lucky Jones, who went to hamishandandy.com to upload what he's been up to and let us know about it.
2:47 Speaker 05 Ahoy, Hamish and Andy, it's Lucky here. My wife is currently going into labour and planning on listening to some built up Hamish and Andy podcasts to try and relax a little bit. So I just wanted to give a special birthday shout out as well, not to Andy, the birthday pig, but to my soon to be born daughter, Camellia. Also, question, are we counting birthdays wrong? Today, in my opinion, will be Camellia's first birthday, but in a year's time, everyone is going to say happy first birthday again. Do we need to revise how we count birthdays?
3:28 Speaker 05 Thanks a lot, boys, and also happy 18th birthday, Camellia, for when this voice memo uploads to the platform. Thanks, boys.
3:37 Speaker 02 Smart dad, putting in the hours early many decades ago to make sure it's uploaded by now.
3:42 Speaker 04 Yeah, Lucky posed some amazing questions.
3:45 Speaker 02 It is a good point.
3:46 Speaker 04 First off, busier, you're lock?
3:49 Speaker 02 Sounds like it's, sounds like not, contractions not too close together at this stage. Lock's got all night ahead of him. I would go, I mean, you get, you get a dress rehearsal, don't you? You get, you get to practise your actual birthday and then from then on you have birthdays.
4:04 Speaker 04 I agree.
4:04 Speaker 02 You always have one more birthday than the amount of years old you are.
4:09 Speaker 04 And I think we keep that.
4:10 Speaker 02 As the, as the way, I mean, it's going to be very difficult to get enough groundswell to change it.
4:14 Speaker 04 Yeah, it's hard sell to everyone to just add a year on.
4:17 Speaker 02 Yeah.
4:18 Speaker 04 Especially as you get older.
4:19 Speaker 02 But you're not adding a year, that's the tricky thing.
4:20 Speaker 04 Yeah, but just to like say.
4:21 Speaker 02 How old you are to be like, well, do you mean how many birthdays have I had? Or how old am I? And you go, all right, wordle, just calm down.
4:30 Speaker 03 We must move on, Ham, because we've got a, you can always reach out, hamishandandy.com, as Lucky did, obviously, upload what you've been up to, but also, any question you might have about anything, is there anything we can help with, we always will try, and Ham, one fell on your side of the fence.
4:43 Speaker 02 Matt contacted us with one very, very specific request, it's something this show has done from time to time, it's something we pride ourselves on doing, if you have overcommitted to something, if you have said yes to something because it sounded great at the time, and then later on you've lived to regret it, come and talk to the experts, come and talk to your friends, Hamish and Andy, and we'll help you wriggle out of that commitment. We've got a wriggle out request from Matt, ahoi to you, Matt.
5:10 Speaker 06 How are you going, boys?
5:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, really good. Give us the situation, this is to do with your friend, Tom. Tom had a wonderful moment, didn't he, in his life?
5:17 Speaker 06 Yeah, he's bought a house, needs to move house, and I don't want to help.
5:24 Speaker 06 But I secretly said that I would.
5:26 Speaker 02 Yeah. He did, he did.
5:27 Speaker 06 And I don't want to.
5:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, and, and so, am I right in saying they're looking to move next month, and did you?
5:32 Speaker 06 Yeah, a couple of weeks.
5:33 Speaker 02 Couple of weeks time, right. So you've said, like, blanket, I'm there, my friend, I'll, I'll do the move.
5:38 Speaker 06 I just had this stupid thing where I didn't have a filter, and I said, yeah, I'll help.
5:43 Speaker 02 Right, I got you back here, Matt. We're gonna call Tom, you don't have to do anything else, we'll take it from here, you've done the right thing, you've done the responsible thing.
5:50 Speaker 03 Do you need any background on Tom, Ham? Like, what do you?
5:53 Speaker 02 No, I'm just gonna ring up and say I'm Matt's boss.
5:55 Speaker 03 And do you need to know where Matt works?
5:57 Speaker 02 No, no, it's all fine. Matt, are you currently employed?
6:01 Speaker 06 Yeah, I run my own company, so.
6:03 Speaker 02 Ooh, that's lucky we checked.
6:07 Speaker 02 Yeah, okay.
6:09 Speaker 03 Do you need a bit of background?
6:10 Speaker 02 Do you, I think a bit of background would help. All right, what, what company do you run, Matt?
6:15 Speaker 06 Uh, it's called Incredible, we make software, make apps and AI software.
6:18 Speaker 02 Yeah, great, okay, that's awesome. So I'll just say.
6:21 Speaker 03 And do you have a co-owner at all, Matt?
6:23 Speaker 06 Yeah, I do, Stephen, and he knows him.
6:24 Speaker 02 Stephen, he knows Stephen. I'll just say, look, I'm, I'm in business with Matt, we've just signed a big deal, and we need him for the whole month. Would that make sense?
6:33 Speaker 06 No, he's never heard Stephen's voice.
6:35 Speaker 03 Oh, do you want to be?
6:36 Speaker 02 He's never heard Stephen's, oh, do you want me to be Stephen?
6:38 Speaker 06 Yeah, sure.
6:40 Speaker 02 Does he, does he, does he think, does he, could he conceivably think Stephen's from Australia instead of New Zealand?
6:46 Speaker 06 He only knows that he's based in Dunedin in the South Island.
6:49 Speaker 03 Great.
6:49 Speaker 02 Oh, great, I'm Stephen here from Dunedin.
6:51 Speaker 03 Yep.
6:54 Speaker 02 They don't regret him. I'm already method. Yeah. Yeah. And so you've got a big, what have you got to have, a big deal and you need it for the whole month. Yeah, Matt, you, we'll put you, you'll be able to hear, but we'll, we'll drop you down for volume. And then Hamish, you ring Tom as Stephen and good luck clearing out the next month. Yeah, no worries. You got everything you need? Yeah, sure. Stephen's short on info. Okay, good luck.
7:26 Speaker 06 Tom Spicken.
7:27 Speaker 02 Is that Tom?
7:28 Speaker 06 Sure is.
7:29 Speaker 02 G'day, Tom. It's, uh, it's Stephen here. I work with, um, I work with your, your mate Matt.
7:35 Speaker 06 Oh, yes.
7:36 Speaker 02 Yep. I mean, I mean, I'm in Dunedin. He's obviously not, but, um, but we're, we're coworkers.
7:43 Speaker 06 Right. Okay.
7:44 Speaker 02 Um, mate, I understand you've had a bit of good news in your life recently. You purchased a house.
7:50 Speaker 06 I, I did actually, yes. Uh, my wife and I. Yep.
7:54 Speaker 02 Congratulations. Great, um.
7:55 Speaker 06 Thank you very much.
7:56 Speaker 02 Um, just need, I just wanted, wondering if you can help me out with a bit of a, bit of a tricky one. Um, we've got a, we've had a big contract land at our work. Big.
8:07 Speaker 06 Yeah.
8:07 Speaker 02 Like a big deal with the, with the US and.
8:11 Speaker 06 Yeah.
8:11 Speaker 02 It's gonna take up all of next month and we're flat out. Now, I've obviously been saying to Matt, we need all hands on deck. And he's been saying he's got to help you move house. So he can't commit to the full month.
8:25 Speaker 02 And.
8:25 Speaker 06 Right.
8:26 Speaker 02 There's a bit of push pull going on and, you know, we're, we're a pretty small company and this is a big deal for us. It's sort of make or break. And I'm at the point where I'm saying, mate, you've got to commit to the whole month. He's going, I simply can't. And he's now threatening to quit because he's gonna help you move.
8:43 Speaker 06 Well, unfortunately for Matt, I'm gonna need him to commit. Um, so I'd rather he actually quit his job. And, um, didn't land the contract and actually helped me move. Yeah.
8:54 Speaker 02 Yeah. Well, that's, that's the tricky part because I would not like that.
9:01 Speaker 06 And unfortunately for Matt, he put me on to the Hamish and Andy podcast several years ago and I do keep up to date, week to week. So I'll accept this weasel out this one time.
9:15 Speaker 02 Well, I don't know much about that, but what I do know is we've got a huge contract coming up. And like I said, were I not in Dunedin, I'd drive to wherever you are and we could discuss this face to face.
9:27 Speaker 03 So let me just, I think obviously, Tom, you were very much on to us. But am I hearing the outcome has successfully that you're allowing Matt to wriggle out?
9:39 Speaker 06 Well, the move dates are flexible, so whatever works for him.
9:43 Speaker 02 Nothing works for him. I mean, sorry, just to bring you up to speed here, Tom, we don't have a big contract with, with America.
9:52 Speaker 03 He just doesn't want to do it.
9:53 Speaker 02 He'd like to never do it.
9:55 Speaker 06 I'll, I'll accept this wriggle out.
9:59 Speaker 02 Great. I don't know how it works if you don't accept it.
10:04 Speaker 03 Just from our perspective, Tom, how much gusto was there in Matt's initial offer?
10:10 Speaker 06 Um, I think he reneged on it almost immediately. Like he said, he would help and then he said, oh, I have just submitted a wriggle out to you guys. And he said he was going to submit another one.
10:22 Speaker 03 Okay. So yeah, that might have tempted Hamish's chances of.
10:27 Speaker 02 All right. Well, that, that, that made it a little bit of a tough, an unwinnable situation.
10:32 Speaker 03 Matt, are you happy with the outcome? Matt's here by the way, Tom. Are you happy with the outcome?
10:36 Speaker 06 Oh, I got a verbal wriggle out confirmation.
10:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's all you need, by the way.
10:41 Speaker 02 Oh mate, absolutely.
10:42 Speaker 06 Mate, I asked for a wriggle out years ago, Tom, not recently. He asked me to build a cutting up of his kit.
10:51 Speaker 06 No way.
10:52 Speaker 02 Well, I suspect this isn't the last year from me, Tom. It sounds like Matt has been sending lots of wriggle out emails, so.
10:59 Speaker 03 Yeah, might send you a next time.
11:01 Speaker 02 Patrick from Crosschurch might be giving you a call soon.
11:04 Speaker 06 Yeah, keep the line open for further, further work, fellas.
11:09 Speaker 03 On your legends. Thank you so much.
11:11 Speaker 02 Thanks guys.
11:12 Speaker 06 Thanks for having us.
11:12 Speaker 03 Bye bye.
11:18 Speaker 03 Guys, I did something this morning that I never thought I'd do. And I've only had the opportunity to do it once before.
11:26 Speaker 02 Fun game, okay.
11:28 Speaker 03 But I didn't have the guts then. And I think you two may have had the opportunity to do it, and I don't think you would have had the guts.
11:37 Speaker 02 Okay. Nah.
11:38 Speaker 03 It's on the roads to do a driving?
11:40 Speaker 02 I was gonna, man, I mean, I don't know what's popped into my head, but I don't think it's this, but. Carpool?
11:46 Speaker 03 Carpool.
11:49 Speaker 02 People have done, like, you know, people have weed in a Gatorade bottle, but.
11:54 Speaker 02 Did you do a Gatorade bottle?
11:56 Speaker 03 I would say more dangerous than that.
11:59 Speaker 02 Wow.
12:00 Speaker 03 Let, let, let.
12:02 Speaker 02 That doesn't exist.
12:04 Speaker 03 Less relieving, more nerve wracking.
12:08 Speaker 02 Than a who in a Gatorade bottle? I was making it up.
12:14 Speaker 02 Picked a bottle that seemed to have a wide enough mouth.
12:20 Speaker 03 I tooted a police car.
12:21 Speaker 02 Oh.
12:22 Speaker 03 In an aggressive manner, they were doing the wrong.
12:24 Speaker 02 Lights have gone, lights have gone green.
12:26 Speaker 03 So, yeah, here's the situation, T intersection, hey, you know how Ts work, like a T-shirt?
12:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's why it's called a T intersection. Not everyone knows that.
12:37 Speaker 03 I'm driving along the top of the T. There's a right-hand turn that would take you down the stem of the T.
12:44 Speaker 02 Yep.
12:46 Speaker 03 The lights go, I'm behind the police car. Two cars take off and they go through the green light and they take off.
12:53 Speaker 02 Green arrow, green arrow, green arrow or just green light?
12:55 Speaker 03 Green light, because we're going straight along the stem, sorry, along the top of the T and there's a, there's a right-hand turn. They go off in a normal manner, they would have been absolutely pooping themselves, they got the cops behind them, they wouldn't have tried to.
13:07 Speaker 02 Not in a Gatorade bottle, that's not a thing.
13:12 Speaker 03 So they have gone. Everyone's very orderly. When there's a cop car around, you drive just in a different kind of way.
13:17 Speaker 02 All the time. My, sorry to jump in here for a second, but do you do this when cop cars are around? I, like, driving next to a cop car, I'll act very cool. They look over at me, they look back. And then either I, you know, drive away or they drive away. And I go, they didn't suspect a thing.
13:34 Speaker 03 Yeah.
13:35 Speaker 02 And then I go, but I'm not doing anything. Yeah, but if I was, I would have got away with that so easy. They didn't give me a second look.
13:43 Speaker 03 I do, when I see a cop car, I do a tiny, tiny little bit of speeding to make it seem realist, like that's my realistic driving. Because I feel like going under the speed limit is too obvious and too suspicious. Yeah.
13:58 Speaker 02 I pull over and get out and put my, get on my knees with my hands laced behind my head.
14:04 Speaker 03 I tend to stay very still, like, it's a Tyrannosaurus Rex.
14:09 Speaker 02 Yeah, you can't look in their eyes.
14:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, like, but inside the car, not the car, the car has to keep going, but I didn't.
14:14 Speaker 02 No, but that's why I look at them because I go, guilty people don't look at it.
14:17 Speaker 03 That's true.
14:18 Speaker 02 So I look and they, you know, there's just, they're always looking around. They look away. And that's when I just go, God, if I, if I had like a boot full of contraband here, they wouldn't have suspected a thing.
14:31 Speaker 03 You wouldn't have the guts to look at them.
14:32 Speaker 02 Yeah, you wouldn't look if you knew.
14:33 Speaker 03 I'm practicing, I'm always practicing.
14:37 Speaker 03 So we're heading across the top of the T. There's a right-hand turn. They get to the middle of the intersection and there's no cars coming the other way and they just pause. And I think they were contemplating whether to go right or not. And I'm behind them and then the lights go orange and I'm going to be trapped inside the intersection on a red light.
14:59 Speaker 02 Committing a crime in front of police officers.
15:01 Speaker 03 Well, behind them, but yes. And so I, I had to toot them, right?
15:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
15:06 Speaker 03 Now, the type of toot, there was, there was so much pressure on the toot.
15:09 Speaker 02 Yeah, there's so many types as well. I know exactly the toot you would have done.
15:12 Speaker 03 Well, do you? Because I've got five toots ready for you guys to listen to.
15:16 Speaker 02 Well, I'm saying upfront, it was did it.
15:20 Speaker 02 There's no way you would have gone eh.
15:22 Speaker 03 Well, I'm gonna present you five toots.
15:24 Speaker 02 No way.
15:25 Speaker 03 See if you guys can pick which one I did. This is the first one.
15:30 Speaker 02 No.
15:31 Speaker 03 No way.
15:32 Speaker 02 You wish. You wish.
15:35 Speaker 03 No, it wasn't. It wasn't that one. Number two.
15:39 Speaker 04 Nah.
15:40 Speaker 03 Still too aggressive.
15:41 Speaker 02 Too aggressive. There's no way you go back for a third dip.
15:43 Speaker 03 I didn't.
15:45 Speaker 02 You might as well have been doing a car poo while doing it.
15:49 Speaker 03 No, it wasn't that one. Number three.
15:54 Speaker 04 It's just.
15:55 Speaker 02 Always a chance.
15:55 Speaker 03 Yeah. Don't have that installed in this particular car. This is number, I think it's out of four and five. Tell me what you think.
16:03 Speaker 03 That's very strong.
16:04 Speaker 02 Let me hear five. That's probably a fraction too long on the two.
16:07 Speaker 03 That's, this is five.
16:13 Speaker 02 I, I, that's the du, that's the amount of beep I think he would have done, but I think they would have been closer together.
16:19 Speaker 03 No, it wasn't. No, I reckon it's that because it's, it's nervous. Listen to that again. It's very nervous.
16:28 Speaker 02 He's done two, you're right. He's done, the first one could be construed as a slip.
16:31 Speaker 03 Yes.
16:31 Speaker 02 Because it's so quick. So you do have to go again.
16:35 Speaker 03 You're in my mind. I was sitting there and the first one comes in. Jack, play it again.
16:38 Speaker 02 So unconfident.
16:41 Speaker 03 And I'm like, oh no. So I was like, oh, they might not have even heard that. I have to go again. Now it's too.
16:47 Speaker 02 Early enough.
16:47 Speaker 03 Too big a distance between the first one and the second one. But yeah, anyway.
16:52 Speaker 02 Like texting someone back an hour later.
16:56 Speaker 03 So at that point, I'm sitting there going, okay, what, what's going to happen? Are they immediately lights on, pull me over, check for contraband? But be pleased to know it was just a hand up.
17:07 Speaker 02 They gave you a backwards wave. That's huge.
17:09 Speaker 03 They didn't, they obviously didn't realise it was behind backwards wave and my day continued.
17:15 Speaker 02 And you're allowed to come here as a free man.
17:18 Speaker 03 Give it to us one more time, Jacko.
17:21 Speaker 02 Imagine, imagine they just lit up the sirens.
17:29 Speaker 02 I'll make you part of mine. We're untunable.
17:37 Speaker 03 Aim as we drift. Into the year, this game becomes harder, but people still hit us up at Hamish and dot com desperate to play.
17:46 Speaker 02 It could be, this could be the last time we could play it. You know, with everyone having, I'd say you've got a 50 50 chance now. It is of course, tell us something we haven't thought of in a while. The rules are, we can't have thought of them this year. So the deeper we go, the more we are a thinking.
18:02 Speaker 03 You've got a chance to win hats that have been sent in. Don't know how that actually happened, but it's become a tradition that businesses will send in their hats.
18:09 Speaker 02 That's been going for 10 years.
18:11 Speaker 03 I don't know where it all started.
18:12 Speaker 02 Ran about the dawn of hats.
18:13 Speaker 03 Let's jump into it.
18:19 Speaker 02 About the actor Ed Harris.
18:28 Speaker 03 Absolutely having got him this year, Ed Harris.
18:32 Speaker 02 When they had him this year, Truman Show, he's sort of the, people might know him as the, you know, the guy running the Truman Show. If you've seen that movie or in, um, if you've watched Westworld.
18:41 Speaker 03 Yes.
18:41 Speaker 02 The man in the black hat. And I mean, he's in a lot of stuff. He's just one of those actors where you're like, oh, that guy, he's great.
18:46 Speaker 03 Yep, yep, that would have been a good one. Uh, Ham quickly.
18:49 Speaker 02 Jack, you were making some noises like you might have thought of Ed Harris this year.
18:52 Speaker 04 I watched a movie called A History of Violence earlier this year, and I believe Ed Harris is in that.
18:58 Speaker 02 He shouldn't.
18:59 Speaker 04 I think so.
19:00 Speaker 02 Viggo Mortensen.
19:01 Speaker 04 He's the star, Viggo, but I think Ed Harris or someone who looks a hell of a lot like him is in A History of Violence.
19:08 Speaker 02 I think my dad reckoned he thought he looked like Ed Harris.
19:14 Speaker 02 Okay, maybe just because there's not that many bald, bald, silver bald guys that are Hollywood stars.
19:20 Speaker 03 Send us both a photo, send me both a photo of your dad and I'll tell you.
19:23 Speaker 02 Current day, but I think heyday Noel was close to Ed Harris.
19:29 Speaker 03 Hamish and I, like the reason why I did Viggo Mortensen and then looked at me like, how amazing this.
19:35 Speaker 02 Were you impressed by that, Jack? I just immediately knew that Viggo Mortensen was the star of A History of Violence.
19:40 Speaker 03 It was a Slumdog Millionaire moment because Hamish and I, in our first ever interviews, we got flown to Cannes. In 21, maybe?
19:50 Speaker 02 Wow.
19:50 Speaker 03 22? For that movie. And we.
19:53 Speaker 02 For a few movies, yeah.
19:54 Speaker 03 And we interviewed Viggo Mortensen and had to go to the premiere in, in Cannes in France.
19:59 Speaker 02 And he is now, I understand this, uh, now that I'm about twice the age I was in Cannes. And you, I know a bit more about Viggo Mortensen's body of work. The most like actor-y actor, deep in the process. I'm a huge fan. I think he's amazing. But he doesn't care for the frivolousness of Hollywood whatsoever. Interviewing him either. And we had no idea. Why? He was a bit of a coldfish, was he? Well, no, no, but he was probably, if I had to describe it, he was probably erd way, on way too nice to us, way too polite to us because it, we were going in hot with FM radio games for like seven minutes and he's like, yeah.
20:38 Speaker 02 But actually a very serious film. I'm at the Cannes Film Festival and I've been this interested for 50 years and sorry, what are you guys doing here?
20:46 Speaker 03 Exactly. Ed Harris is in that film, uh, Jack. So well done.
20:51 Speaker 02 Well done, Jack. You had thought of him.
20:52 Speaker 03 Quickly go through the hats. Uh, Drink Perry is the hat. I think it's like a drink that you have before having alcohol, one of those kind of anti-hangover solutions. Tell you what, though, I hope they've put all their technology into the drink and the vitamins because their hat is substandard. Um, it's black, it's shallow.
21:12 Speaker 02 They've gone for embroidery, but they've made it way too small. It's like as if they've gone for the cheapest possible size.
21:16 Speaker 02 It's like some of my tattoos are so small, they bleed into each other.
21:19 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's what's happening with this hat and it's got a buckle at the back, not out preferred. Second hat, it's a great tracker. I could see you in this one, Ham.
21:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, solid. That's a good, that's a good hat.
21:29 Speaker 03 Uh, the Newport Hotel, uh, it's got a double snap on the snapback. It's got two rows of snaps, you know, the two of the pigs?
21:36 Speaker 02 I don't hate it. I've never needed it. I've never blown, blown out with one and gone, I wish I had twice the fastening power. It's, it's fine.
21:44 Speaker 03 And then a controversial hat, we've got a pink cowboy hat from the Peacemaker Saloon. Certainly not an everyday hat.
21:57 Speaker 03 Fame got told that.
21:59 Speaker 02 Slumdog again again.
22:01 Speaker 03 Got told by Jack that it is a pub or a more of a, um.
22:05 Speaker 02 From my memory, more of a barbecue joint, yeah.
22:08 Speaker 03 Barbecue, yeah. Uh, in Canberra, um, certainly not an everyday hat.
22:12 Speaker 02 No, it's a hen's night hat for sure.
22:14 Speaker 03 And it does have a drawstring around, so it probably could go on a roller coaster. Martin, kick us off. Tell us someone we haven't thought of for a while.
22:22 Speaker 04 Um, I was just gonna go with, um, Zach Galifianakis.
22:26 Speaker 02 Oh, right.
22:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
22:28 Speaker 04 I mean. Delight.
22:29 Speaker 02 I mean, he hasn't gone anywhere. I mean, Zach's. And the hangover was on the telly the other day when we were doing our meeting. It was quite distracting. So. I mean, I suppose, yeah, no, I mean, I'd have to say I've thought of Zach. Yeah. Um, this year being a, you know, a comedy icon. He's not far from the rotations in, in stuff you enjoy, but good. I mean, a good attempt.
22:48 Speaker 04 I thought it was out. I didn't think he was doing anything.
22:50 Speaker 02 No, he's lazy.
22:51 Speaker 03 He's in Lilo and Stitch, the new, like, live action one.
22:56 Speaker 02 Right.
22:56 Speaker 04 Right. Yep.
22:57 Speaker 02 Okay.
22:57 Speaker 03 Yep.
22:58 Speaker 02 So you don't have to worry about his employment. Zach's doing good and we hope you are too, Martin. A good attempt.
23:03 Speaker 03 No choice of hat, Martin. Um, El, ahoi to you.
23:06 Speaker 02 Ahoi.
23:07 Speaker 04 Hi.
23:08 Speaker 02 Gusto to you. Good luck.
23:10 Speaker 04 Benita, the OG Play School host.
23:13 Speaker 02 Benita. Well done. I needed the context, but I do remember. Benita, yeah. She was like the most famous of the.
23:21 Speaker 04 Yeah, she's an icon.
23:23 Speaker 02 Yeah. For anyone born like sort of around where we were, 1981 ish, she's sort of Australia's mum. Like she was just the best. Right. She would have done 40 years of. Oh, yes. Yeah.
23:34 Speaker 03 Well, yeah, well done. I mean.
23:36 Speaker 02 I mean, she knew Big Ted when he was little Ted. She's known Big Ted for a long time.
23:41 Speaker 03 Uh, El, absolutely no furs for me.
23:43 Speaker 02 Well done.
23:44 Speaker 03 Well done. What a wild array to go from Zach Galifianakis to Benita from Play School.
23:49 Speaker 02 What you love about this guy.
23:50 Speaker 03 Um, what would you like? Um, drink Perry. Like we said, we didn't give that such a great, um, wrap, that hat. Uh, you got a trucker hat or, um, the pink cowboy hat.
24:00 Speaker 04 I mean, it's gotta be the pink cowboy.
24:02 Speaker 02 I think.
24:02 Speaker 03 Well, well done.
24:04 Speaker 02 Did not think that was gonna get taken first, but you've got it. And as Ando said, enjoy your roller coaster if you choose to go on one.
24:11 Speaker 04 Thank you.
24:12 Speaker 03 Sam, ahoi to you. Ahoi and the weasel there.
24:16 Speaker 02 Mm hmm.
24:18 Speaker 03 A nod to the weasel.
24:19 Speaker 02 He's drunk, he's whiskers.
24:20 Speaker 03 Tell us someone we haven't thought of for a while. Uh, I reckon you have. Haven't thought of Macy Gray in a while. Ah, sorry mate.
24:27 Speaker 02 Oh, that's so unlucky.
24:28 Speaker 03 Hmm.
24:29 Speaker 02 Because I I heard a funny story about Macy Gray.
24:33 Speaker 03 Really?
24:33 Speaker 02 Um, the other day, she, did she ever come out, was she ever a judge for a season or a guest judge on like X Factor?
24:40 Speaker 03 She might have.
24:40 Speaker 02 Or Australian Idol?
24:42 Speaker 03 The Voice or?
24:42 Speaker 02 Right, so someone that I'm mates with was working in TV and they had to look after her in her green room.
24:49 Speaker 03 Right.
24:49 Speaker 02 And they ordered her a big sushi platter.
24:51 Speaker 03 Hmm.
24:52 Speaker 02 And they were like, you know, this is the best sushi place in Sydney, you'll love this. But this person had just been working all day and they were very, very hungry.
24:58 Speaker 03 Hmm.
24:59 Speaker 02 And they could, often in the green room, you have like a little monitor, you can see what's happening on the show. They were doing a sound check for Macy Gray.
25:05 Speaker 03 Hmm.
25:05 Speaker 02 And so he he thought, oh, great, they're on, they're on set.
25:08 Speaker 03 Yep.
25:08 Speaker 02 I'll just eat this sushi and was woofing into the sushi in her green room and she came in and caught him.
25:16 Speaker 02 And, I mean, it's a B plus story, it's an interesting anecdote, but it's certainly happened.
25:22 Speaker 03 It certainly happened and you and you've thought about it?
25:23 Speaker 02 And I've thought about it.
25:24 Speaker 03 And she was on The Masked Singer, Australia, twenty twenty one.
25:27 Speaker 02 She was on Masked Singer, that's what it was.
25:28 Speaker 03 Was she singing on The Masked Singer?
25:30 Speaker 02 She would have done a guesty.
25:32 Speaker 03 She would have been the one of the ones, no, she was, she wasn't on the panel, she removed her hat, she was masked.
25:36 Speaker 02 She was one of the singers?
25:37 Speaker 03 Yeah. Career's taken a turn then?
25:40 Speaker 02 I was gonna say.
25:41 Speaker 03 She was huge.
25:43 Speaker 02 Yeah, Sam.
25:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
25:44 Speaker 02 And she, and then she got one of the most iconic raspy voices of all time.
25:48 Speaker 03 And that song was iconic as well.
25:50 Speaker 02 Yeah.
25:51 Speaker 03 That's sad to see her behind the mask.
25:55 Speaker 02 Being on The Masked Singer is like billboard, centerlink, but still.
26:00 Speaker 03 Uh, Sam, bad luck. Um, Mitchell, last one for the day. Tell us someone we haven't thought of for a while, Mitch. Ahoi, boys. Gusto to you. Gusto to you, great gusto. I'm thanking, uh, David Caruso from CSI Miami.
26:14 Speaker 02 All clear here?
26:15 Speaker 03 No.
26:16 Speaker 02 Oh, Andy. I'm in dangerous waters to wade into, um, crime procedurals. We know Andy and Beck.
26:24 Speaker 03 Me too.
26:25 Speaker 02 Me too.
26:26 Speaker 03 We've finished Law and Order.
26:28 Speaker 02 Oh, congratulations.
26:29 Speaker 03 We have finished it. Started in Covid. We went through the 26 seasons and.
26:36 Speaker 02 And who won, Law or Order? And the final score was Law, 516, Order, 614.
26:45 Speaker 03 No, it remains a struggle, I think, in New York City.
26:48 Speaker 02 Yes, no.
26:49 Speaker 03 But as we finished it, Mitchell, they said, what did you think of this series? Double thumbs up, you know, thumbs up or thumbs down. And then could we recommend CSI? And then that was where David, the redheaded guy that runs that CSI, um, uh, he was sitting there looking at us going, will you? Will you dare start?
27:09 Speaker 02 The cruelest of skin types to send to the harsh climate of Miami.
27:12 Speaker 03 And, um, and I said, no, we've, we've had our time and we've gone on to things that we should watch. Proper, proper things.
27:19 Speaker 02 Sorry, sorry about that. I mean, that, that, that does check out Mitch. Are you a fan of CSI Miami Mitch?
27:26 Speaker 03 Nah, not really.
27:28 Speaker 02 How did he come to you? I'm always interested to see how people get him.
27:30 Speaker 03 He just popped into my head because I was thinking of like the, the memes sort of where he takes his sunglasses off and cracks like a joke.
27:38 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah. And you went, gotcha. I don't, I reckon I'm, I don't reckon anyone's else thinking this today. It was a good try. It was a great try Mitch. And on any other day, in any other year, you might've got it.
27:48 Speaker 03 Cheers bud. And of course, I mean, if you want to risk it for the end of the year, send him in. Tell somebody I haven't thought of him in a while, but I like your chat. It's getting harder. It's, you just heard about, I mean, that's, Andy's across it.
28:07 Speaker 03 Ando, um, last weekend, some of Australia's sporting elite were gathered, uh, on the Gold Coast as part of the Mick Fanning Charity Golf Day.
28:17 Speaker 02 Yes.
28:18 Speaker 03 You were sadly, you were sadly missed. The organisation couldn't quite meet your appearance fee, which I thought was fair.
28:26 Speaker 02 I thought it was a fair fee, Ando. And I congratulate you, as you said, I'm not backing down because then everyone, as soon as people get a sniff of that, everyone wants a discount.
28:36 Speaker 03 If you don't know this, Mick Fanning puts on a charity golf day um and uh at the on the Gold Coast um to raise funds for the flood affected areas up there. And people really have a go, don't they? It's such a fun day.
28:50 Speaker 04 It's a great day. He's done such an amazing job.
28:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, and you were filming a hundred and I know for a fact how hard you tried to move what is immovable, which is a television show just to come to the golf day. And that is a testament to what Mick and the team have done. They really, it's the greatest day. It's the greatest day. People have a ball. The companies get behind it, just go absolutely nuts. And they rose over a million bucks a year to, to, as you said, to help flood affected areas. And that's the spirit of the day, isn't it, Jack? You and I were cartmates this year.
29:18 Speaker 04 Yes.
29:19 Speaker 03 I was even more jealous when I saw you guys just floating around in a golf cart together.
29:23 Speaker 02 You know, I know we we pledged, we obviously all have grown fond of this game of golf, but not, it's not everyone's cup of tea. And so we are trying to give golf chat to them. But people would remember, um, obviously last year, there was the saga of the one quarter zip up jacket that you took from Magic Mike, didn't take. The great news is Magic Mike.
29:45 Speaker 04 I feel like we've had this argument a hundred times, but I, I got him an equivalent jumper that he lent me. So I didn't feel like I had to give him the original one back. I don't see a problem.
29:55 Speaker 02 He got, he organised it. So you ended up with two jumpers. All I'm saying is you knew Mike was going to be at the golf day. He was there. Did you take that opportunity? I don't know. I didn't have eyes on you all day. I know Mike was there. There's lots of things. Did you take your opportunity?
30:11 Speaker 04 I didn't even think of it when I was packing to go there. And even if I had of, I wouldn't have done it.
30:17 Speaker 02 Now, I understand that because it was the Gold Coast and the Gold Coast is a very warm place.
30:22 Speaker 04 Yes, I didn't pack any jumpers, actually.
30:24 Speaker 02 Right. So did you find that there was a need for a jumper at the time up there?
30:29 Speaker 04 It was a beautiful day on the course. Oh, but yeah, by the end of the day, because afterwards everyone sticks around and they do like a whole lot of raffle ticket prizes and that sort of thing. And by the time it gets dark, the temperature does drop and I was cold and now I know where this is going.
30:48 Speaker 02 Would you please tell the court what happened next?
30:50 Speaker 04 Yeah, I um, I borrowed somebody's jumper and I've not yet given it back.
30:57 Speaker 02 Well, that was my next question. You then went around asking for a jumper. This man that, didn't Jack take a jumper when he stayed at your house, Endo?
31:06 Speaker 04 No, no, I just, I didn't take it. I just wore, when I was house sitting, so I was doing him a favour and I wore one of his new jumpers.
31:13 Speaker 02 Turning the engine on for a car just to keep it taking over. Okay, so my question to you is, what is this world you're living in where you think the world owes you jumpers?
31:23 Speaker 04 No, this was, this was me asking for a favour.
31:27 Speaker 03 Who gave you the jumper?
31:28 Speaker 04 Well, there was people, like, there was all kinds of brands doing stuff up there. Um, and Bolter Beer is a big sponsor of the day, so there was, it ended up being a Bolter hoodie. And, you know, they give, like, those kind of brands have heaps of backups and that sort of stuff, I felt. But as the guy gave me the Bolter hoodie, he said, oh, this is actually my one. And then as I put it on, I could smell that it was a, it was his jumper, it wasn't just a brand newy. Um, and I said, that's all right, I'll find you by the end of the night and give it back. And then that just really got away from me and.
32:00 Speaker 02 And, and, okay, so that was about a week ago.
32:02 Speaker 04 Yeah, then it came out of the wash this week and I was like, oh yeah, I was meant to give that back. But now he's on the Gold Coast and I'm here and like, who, I don't know, his name is James, I don't know any more details about him.
32:15 Speaker 02 Have you made efforts to find details?
32:17 Speaker 04 How would you, how would you find him?
32:20 Speaker 04 There's got to be a million James's in Australia.
32:24 Speaker 03 That would be an odd way to start the search. All right, white pages. James, James. Not even a surname, this is tough. I'll go to all James.
32:32 Speaker 02 Squarespace, finderjames.com. Oh, available.
32:35 Speaker 04 No, he did.
32:36 Speaker 02 GoDaddy, domain unregistered. This will help, I'll need this.
32:41 Speaker 04 Uh, he did do me a favor because I was cold and he came to the rescue and I had the hoodie on and I stayed warm the rest of the night. If he is listening, James, I will actually return this jumper.
32:51 Speaker 02 What if he's not listening?
32:53 Speaker 04 Ah, well, if anyone knows a James who was-
32:56 Speaker 02 It's not their job. It's not, this is, this is an interesting peek inside the mind of Jack. It, I don't think it's their job to make sure you give the job back. Okay, this, let's go into Jack's world then for a second. Let's say it is their job and someone reached out and goes, I know the James. How are you gonna get to him?
33:18 Speaker 04 Yeah, so send me his details, his home address, and I will spend my own money to post it back to him because he did me a favor.
33:28 Speaker 02 Yeah.
33:30 Speaker 02 Still requires him listening right now. Or if, uh, you know, FedEx or a DHL is listening, absolutely open, would you, you know, would you collab with someone to get the-
33:39 Speaker 04 I would, I would certainly be open to a collab. Also, I would, also, I mean, it's just a jumper. So, you know, it doesn't cost that much. So, we, we don't have to do all these partnerships with different companies just to get it back. But if Bolter, who is the beer company, were gonna give him a freshie, I think the same rule would apply.
34:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, well, there's precedent now, isn't there?
34:04 Speaker 04 The same rule would apply. Would, would, I'm asking you guys, would the same rule-
34:07 Speaker 02 How many, how many people must you steal a jumper from to make a company then fill the void for the jumper you stole? When will it be enough for you? He works at Bolter.
34:15 Speaker 04 He works at Bolter, just, you know, pouring beers behind the bar there, not, not up in, upper management or with the merchandising department or anything. So, it's not like he gets it for free. And maybe he did actually. He works there.
34:28 Speaker 02 It doesn't matter if he's got it for free. This is the part that is confusing. Why are you the, the galactic justice giver of if someone gets something for free, you must then have it to balance the scales and they can have another beer for free?
34:41 Speaker 04 Okay.
34:41 Speaker 02 Didn't you do, didn't you get enough free Bolters on the day?
34:45 Speaker 04 Okay. I will send it back. I, yes, I did.
34:48 Speaker 02 Okay. I'm just asking because I know, you know, there's obviously beers in the golf carts and stuff, but then afterwards, you, you know, it's not like the day costs nothing. You have to go to the bar and buy your own beers afterwards. Isn't that true?
35:00 Speaker 04 I didn't, I didn't get to the bar, no. It was so noisy inside.
35:04 Speaker 02 Hmm. Did you go to the bar and then remember that this is the bit where you have to pay your own money to buy beers? I'm just asking.
35:11 Speaker 04 Who told you that? Who told you that?
35:13 Speaker 02 And then, did you then go, hang on a sec, I think there's still some beers.
35:16 Speaker 04 Who told you all this?
35:18 Speaker 02 Outside in the golf cart that I can go down and get?
35:22 Speaker 04 This is, I can't believe the eyes and ears on the ground at those kind of events.
35:28 Speaker 04 I did, ah yeah, I made the mistake last year and I'm so grateful to be invited and thank you, I'd love to come again next year. But I remember.
35:36 Speaker 02 Of course you were free beers, free jumpers.
35:37 Speaker 04 There was free beers all day. Everywhere you looked, there was a free beer.
35:41 Speaker 02 Yep.
35:41 Speaker 04 Then at the end of the day, I went to the bar to get another free beer and they said, oh, this will be $12 and then they'd already poured it, so I had to pay it. Then as I'm walking into the bar this time, I'm like, well, well, careful. You, you have to pay for these ones. Whereas there's still, as far as I can see, back on the course, in the golf carts, there's freebies everywhere. This is part of what the, the venue in offering up the two courses for the day to charity is a chance for them.
36:05 Speaker 02 And that's why, that's why the person I was with said, it's like, oh, but are we raising money for charity?
36:09 Speaker 04 And I remember last year, they're saying that that was, the bar was making money, not the charity.
36:15 Speaker 02 And they've given the course for the day.
36:16 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's still honourable, but.
36:19 Speaker 02 Yep. It's really the day's fault.
36:21 Speaker 04 Who told you all this? I wish I could remember who I was with. Who was it?
36:24 Speaker 02 It's really the day's fault.
36:25 Speaker 04 Was he Magic Mike? No, I was just a cold guy. Outside with the no jump.
36:30 Speaker 02 It was a freezing cold bolt for employee.
36:32 Speaker 04 Okay, if it was Magic Mike, God, he's, he's really getting on my nerves.
36:38 Speaker 04 You know what, Andy? I don't, I don't want this to just get so far away from where we were. But the day is like celebrities, like Hamish was there as a celebrity. And then there's normal people who buy their way in and that's how the charity makes money, people buy their way in. Magic Mike was there as a celebrity.
36:55 Speaker 02 Yeah. Can you believe that? What's wrong with that? He was entertaining people all day.
37:01 Speaker 04 I said, Magic, Magic Mike, good to see you here. And then I saw him like with the, the special kit you get if you're a celebrity. I was like, wait a second. Wait a second, are you a celebrity?
37:11 Speaker 03 Were you in that?
37:12 Speaker 04 No!
37:14 Speaker 02 Good on you, Mike. He was personally invited by Mick. Mick saw him at a different event and was like, mate, you've got to come to the golf day.
37:20 Speaker 04 Don't get me wrong, he's a great magician, Magic Mike, but he's not a celebrity as someone we all know.
37:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
37:26 Speaker 02 Yeah.
37:26 Speaker 04 Yeah. So do you think you should get Magic Mike's gear? Are you a bigger celebrity?
37:31 Speaker 02 You've already got one of his jumpers. Do you want the rest of his clothes?
37:35 Speaker 04 I mean, they got everything, like right down to the shoes. The shoes are really cool. I mean, I just was surprised.
37:44 Speaker 02 All right, good luck with you. Good luck, James. I don't hold high hopes for you getting your jumper back.
37:56 Speaker 03 I'm Katy Perry's in the country. You went to see Katy Perry?
38:00 Speaker 02 I sure did. Begged my seven-year-old to come with me. Come on, Ru. You come with me, darling, and then I'll owe you a favour.
38:10 Speaker 03 She-
38:10 Speaker 02 And it was great.
38:12 Speaker 03 Also slid across my desk for a song sleuth.
38:15 Speaker 02 Wow, okay.
38:16 Speaker 03 Yeah. She didn't slide across my-
38:19 Speaker 02 I saw her being flown around the arena on wires, but I wasn't sure what she was up to outside of-
38:25 Speaker 03 Outside of, no, no, no.
38:26 Speaker 02 Concert.
38:27 Speaker 03 Uh, her music has come to my attention. She's on the good side, though. We're not putting her under the microscope. We're putting another famous R and B slash rapper under the microscope in Songsleuth.
38:50 Speaker 03 Drake, powerful guy.
38:53 Speaker 02 Yep.
38:54 Speaker 03 But I'm not scared.
38:55 Speaker 02 You're not scared? Tim Kendrick is going to be the best here, I don't think, Drake.
39:00 Speaker 03 Song out in 2025, still getting a bit of a run now. It's coming to fruition. It's called Die Trying. People have been writing in saying it sounds familiar, particularly the way that he's using the acoustic guitar and the rhythm of the song. Here is the start of Die Trying.
39:28 Speaker 03 Is that ringing any bells for anyone?
39:31 Speaker 04 So far, so good.
39:33 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:33 Speaker 04 I don't know Katy that well.
39:35 Speaker 02 I went to the concert, but I still can't say I knew every song at the concert.
39:41 Speaker 03 Well, what people are accusing Drake of, including myself, is just because you slow something down a little, doesn't make it a different song. This is what he's up against.
39:55 Speaker 02 Yeah. If you kept playing, it's last Friday night.
39:57 Speaker 04 That's right.
39:59 Speaker 02 Because I listened to one to two weeks solid of Katy Perry.
40:03 Speaker 04 In the lead up.
40:04 Speaker 02 In the lead up to the concert. Yep. Because we actually got offered tickets late and I said, oh my God, yeah, I'll definitely take my daughter along. And we were very, very grateful for tickets and so was she, except Katy wasn't her number one pick favourite artist. When Did You Leave? I loved that. We wouldn't have had to cram for Dua, but did have to cram a little bit for Katy. So I recently came off, it was a little while ago now, but yeah, came off a 10 day intensive Katy Perry back catalogue course.
40:34 Speaker 03 Well done. I normally have to do the cramming for Beck when I take her to any 90s rock band that's coming like Pearl Jam or something. And she does not enjoy the cram process as much as I do.
40:45 Speaker 02 But that song is last Friday night.
40:46 Speaker 03 Last Friday night. Well done, Haynes. So that piqued my interest. So let's have a listen to Drake's attempt at lyrics over that rhythm.
41:02 Speaker 02 And then of course, last Friday night goes like this.
41:13 Speaker 02 Quite the night. The funny thing, the funny thing is, because she's like last Friday night, it's, I have actually, because I've had to listen to it a lot recently, I know it's not what we're talking about. A lot of those lyrics make sense for last night, but it was last Friday and if she's singing that on a Tuesday.
41:31 Speaker 04 Yes.
41:31 Speaker 02 Like this, who's this person that's still in your bed four days later? I think she would have preferred to sing last night, but you needed two more syllables.
41:41 Speaker 04 Yeah, it doesn't fit well.
41:42 Speaker 02 So it is, it's an odd thing if you imagine it being sung on any day but a Saturday.
41:47 Speaker 03 And they probably tossed around, last night, last night.
41:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's true. That was the best you could do in that pattern, couldn't you?
41:57 Speaker 03 Yeah, we heard you the first time and it just probably wouldn't have the same feel. Now, back to the song, Sleuth. What we may have heard there is Drake deciding to take his lyrics down. It slowly descends. Katie keeps her repeated on the same line. But we're more concentrating on the rhythm guitar behind and whether that is enough to accuse someone and prosecute. This is Drake, Drake's bed, like his rhythm behind it, but Katie's lyrics.
42:27 Speaker 02 Okay.
42:37 Speaker 02 I mean, it works.
42:38 Speaker 03 It works? Here's the opposite.
42:42 Speaker 03 Katie's bed, Drake's lyrics?
42:51 Speaker 02 I mean, Jack, you, this is a-
42:53 Speaker 04 I think it's different. Yeah, same, same rhythm, but it's different chords even.
42:58 Speaker 02 Are they different? Because to me, I was gonna say, it sounds like that's, I was gonna say it's different noises, but is that what you're saying?
43:05 Speaker 02 Again, as a boy that studied music, whereas I just feel it. It's tough for me because I'm obviously as a drummer and, and my superpower is feeling the music, I'm feeling the rhythm.
43:15 Speaker 03 I feel like the last-
43:16 Speaker 02 You're hearing the noises.
43:17 Speaker 03 The last set, of course.
43:19 Speaker 04 Well, Katie's got four chords and he's got three, by the sounds of it.
43:22 Speaker 02 Wow, you picked up on that?
43:24 Speaker 03 Let's have a listen to them both fused together and then make a judgement.
43:44 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think Jack's right. It's the four three change.
43:48 Speaker 04 You can't tell in that clip because it jumps between both of them.
43:51 Speaker 02 No, I'm saying, but you can get, you do get the vibe. The vibe carries through.
43:58 Speaker 03 How are we feeling?
44:00 Speaker 02 Look, honestly, I don't want us to get dragged into the Kendrick Drake beef. And I feel like if you were to launch a lawsuit at Drake and he does have his own legal stuff going on. That would just, we've got so much going on. We've got the tall hat. We've got the coin that hasn't been, we've got Berg Boys we haven't talked about for ages, but he's bubbling away in the background. I just think the last thing we need is to be in this beef.
44:22 Speaker 03 I agree with you. I don't think there's enough to prosecute. I think that's where the lawyer in any movie or TV show says, find me the smoking gun. You don't have it yet.
44:32 Speaker 02 Although different to those shows, they then don't go, okay, well, that's the end of it.
44:40 Speaker 02 Well, we can't find it. We'll then chuck it out.
44:50 Speaker 01 Thanks for listening. The Hamish and Andy podcast will return next week. Catch up or contribute at hamishandandy.com.
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