Keke Palmer

Keke Palmer can do it all. Amy hangs with the actress, singer, and podcast host and talks about how Jesus was really a Virgo, her favorite songs to scream-sing, and everything she learned from Queen Latifah. Host: Amy PoehlerGuests: Paula Pell and Keke PalmerExecutive Producers: Bill Simmons, Amy Poehler, and Jenna Weiss-BermanFor Paper Kite Productions: Executive producer Jenna Weiss-Berman, coordinator Sam Green, and supervising producer Joel LovellFor The Ringer: Supervising producers Juliet Litman, Sean Fennessey, and Mallory Rubin; video producers Jack Wilson, Belle Roman, and Aleya Zenieris; lighting director Caroline Jannace; audio producer Kaya McMullen; social producer Bridget Geerlings; video editor Drew van Steenbergen; and bookers Kat Spillane and Paige GarbariniOriginal Music: Amy Miles This episode is brought to you by Uber Eats. Stock up on glue sticks, pens, and other back-to-school essentials from your favorite brands for $5 or less on Uber Eats. Order now https://www.ubereats.com/ Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://Allstate.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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  Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. Very, very excited about our guest today. It is the great Kiki Palmer. Kiki can do anything and is in everything. She's currently in the movie I Love Boosters and in the TV show The Burbs. She has her podcast, Baby, This is Kiki Palmer. And she is, she's gonna be in Spaceballs. She hosts Password. She's incredible. We talk about so many fun things today. We talk about being Virgos and the noblesse oblige that comes along with that. We talk about Mary J. Blige and what it's like to get into your anger. We talk about her season of restraint and what that looks like. We, we have such a good time.

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  And she, she has to go to the bathroom in the middle of it, which has never happened before, and just goes to show how comfortable she was. That makes me so happy. But before we get into it, we always talk to somebody who knows our guest, who loves our guest, wants to speak well behind their back and ask them a question. And we have a friend of the pod, writer, actress, queen, Paula Pell, who is zooming in, who loves Kiki and wants to tell us all about it. And I'm hoping right now is, is, um, is zooming in from her, you know, her new OnlyFans account. One can only hope. So Paula, are you, Paula? Paula, can you hear me, darling?

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  Hi.

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  Hi.

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  What if we just do that for 10 minutes? Hi.

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  Oh, why, oh, did I? Shit.

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  No, you're on.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  I am? Why? Oh, boy. Why is, why am I off now?

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  I can see you. You can't see me?

• 3:08Speaker 01

  Well, they ask, all they do, oh, here it is. All they do is ask me for another AI thing. Do you want?

• 3:14Speaker 00

  I know. I, I had such a, I know we've talked about this. I had, I have such PTSD about trying to sign my kids in during COVID to like various portals, that I had a portal meltdown the other day. I know we all talk about it, that it.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

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  There's gotta be a word that's gonna be made for like technological misery.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  It's every single time I agree to do a Zoom and then I'll get an email like 10 seconds before and it says, this is gonna be on Colander. And I'm like, I'm sorry, Colander? I mean, one of the real ones is Blue Jeans. Nothing against Blue Jeans. But like, I was like, I'm sorry, Blue Jeans?

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  Like, all you need to do is download this app and go to a portal.

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  Now, we're gonna be on Werther's Originals, so if you want, but you are gonna have to do a breathalyzer into your computer. You do have OS 7.8, right?

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  Yeah, it's like, it's like, yeah, Old Navy, I'm cool with you remembering my password.

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  I'm like, bitch, I got a, I got an apple clam shell.

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  I got a teal apple clam shell.

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  Would you like a new password? This one feels like you use it a lot. It's like, yeah, because it's the only way I can remember. Do you think I could remember it if I don't use it for every device?

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  I wanna plug in an outlet. I wanna plug in.

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  The other day, I tried to buy an old fashioned alarm clock. I couldn't find one. Couldn't find a frigging alarm clock.

• 4:45Speaker 01

  I tried to take my blood pressure in a new blood pressure cuff I bought, 63, and I was feeling a little off because I had a couple of drinks. Got real dizzy. And I was like, something's wrong. I drank two drinks in the hot, in the hot sun really quick. I feel weird. But I got it out and it was so complicated and so many apps and profiles to fill out. We have to know this information about you before we do this and before you do. And I'm just like, I'll be dead by then.

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  I know. By the way, you're making me wanna get a blood pressure cuff. I'm definitely getting that.

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  It's, it's supposed to do all these things. And of course, when I'm on the internet, I, I all for every. The funniest one lately is that during the snow this winter, I saw one that had this little fan that blows the snow off your windshield like violently. And every single video was like immediate, like snow is immediately like, like an eraser off your windshield. And I got them and they were like this big and they blew like this.

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  And I got like four of them and was gonna gift them to people. And we were laughing so hard because it was like, this is the biggest fucking ripoff.

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  Oh, my God, the weakest fan.

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  The weakest fan is a good reality.

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  The weakest fan now on Fox.

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  And they're just really weak.

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  Paula Pell is here. Paula, it's so good to see you.

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  It's so good to see you.

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  We're talking about Kiki today. We have got Kiki Palmer in. And I was saying this, and I know you would agree.

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  Love her.

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  She's so good at so many things.

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  Her hyphenates have hyphenates.

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  I know. Like, we're looking at her body of work. It's like Broadway and, you know, and singing and writing and podcasting and acting. And also just her being herself, like all the hosting that she does, all the way that she is someone else and herself. She's, I was trying to figure, you know, and I, I was, I was like, she's like an old school entertainer.

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  She really is.

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  I wanted to talk to you today because you guys work together on The Burbs. And I know, you know, I know you are this way. And I imagine maybe we'll find out Kiki is this way too. But, you know, there's no better gift than getting to do what we want with people who are professional and nice. It's like all you're hoping for. And I remember you saying right away that like, working with her was so pleasant. What was it like to work together on The Burbs?

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  Oh, it, it, it was and is. I mean, the whole, we're getting ready in October to, to shoot the second season of it. But it, it, it remains like such an incredible joy that there is no, there's no dark side to it. Like, because she is, um, she's so nonstop in terms of what she's creating and what she's doing in the world, that like you watch her and you're just like, you know, and she's raising a little darling boy. And it's like, she is so nonstop, but yet so present in each thing,

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  even when she's multitasking and getting her, her hair and makeup done in the trailer. And she's also on a podcast. And she's also talking about her music video from her album that's coming out. And it's like, sometimes when people are like that, you watch them. And I think it's my age too, where I'm just like, how do, how do they do all that? And just if you sit and talk to her about anything genuine, she's right there.

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  Yes.

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  Wants to talk about it. She wants to hear what you have to say about it. She'll hold your hand. She'll, you know, we've gotten tearful together in the makeup trailer, talking about our lives and find, you know, and, and, and what we won't tolerate anymore and love. And, and, you know, just there's so many good things that I've derived from just being in her presence, truly. I was getting my hair blown out at, at a Drybar and I sat down.

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  By the way, congrats on your hair. I just wanna point out again, most beautiful hair in the biz, next to Tina. I'd love to see you guys fight it out. Okay, sorry, continue.

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  Half of it is blonde right now and half of it, this is, this is God's colorist right here. But, um, who is this gorgeous woman? God's colorist. She's kinda almost transparent and she's just very weird. I'm in Drybar while we're doing, while we're doing The Burbs. And I sit down and Akela and the Bee is on. And I look up and I see baby Kiki with like braces and glasses and just like having this incredible touching scene with an adult Oscar winning actor, just like the two of them having this quiet scene together. And I'm just like, she, she was born fully cooked.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  She was, she was born Kiki Palmer that I know.

• 9:55Speaker 00

  So excited to talk to her because she is exactly what you just said. She, it feels like she's just very good at talking and being in the moment and connecting. She's like, she's a real connector.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. And she's positive in a way that's not bullshitty. Like she, she's positive in the way that you say, oh, cheerfulness is a choice. And it's a constructive choice. It's, it's a choice that actually changes your trajectory of your day. If you look at it and say grateful, cheerful, joyful, um, and, and that gratitude thing, she just lives through that all the time of like, I can't believe we're gonna get to, we get to do that, you know? And then, and you want that because there's nothing worse than working with people in showbiz with dead eyes that don't realize how incredibly lucky they are to be doing

• 10:44Speaker 00

  Oh, my God, yes.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  the thing they're doing at the moment. And you just wanna slap my heart across the face. Or you hope that in the script you get to, so you can privately have the satisfaction.

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  Do you have a question for Kiki? You're very good at questions.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  What does it look like for Kiki Palmer to rest? Like, not exhaustion, not, I can't even see, I'm so exhausted, I have to lay down. But like her restorative rest, like for her to describe her favorite restorative rest.

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  That is a great question. I cannot wait to ask her. I know she'll be thrilled that we talked and I, because I know she loves you right back. Thanks, P. Love you.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  Give Kiki a big kiss for me.

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  I will.

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• 11:57Speaker 00

  First of all, you look incredible, Kiki.

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  Thanks, boo.

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  It's so good to see you.

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  Virgo to Virgo.

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  I know. We were talking about it earlier. Kiki and I are both Virgos. And, I mean, you've named an album.

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  Virgo tendencies, you know? Cause we have them. We have the Virgo tendencies.

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  What are Virgo tendencies? Let's go through them.

• 12:15Speaker 02

  We're, we can kind of be know-it-alls. It's fine, it's fine, it's fine. We just see things. It's just so right away, and we want you to know, but we gotta hold it in. We are great organizers in our own way. It doesn't always look-

• 12:29Speaker 00

  Tell me how you like, talk to me about how you like to organize. I know you love to, I saw your beautiful house.

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  Oh, my gosh!

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  Tell me what your new favorite way to organize is. Like, is there a system?

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  Labeling everything.

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  Okay, talk to me-

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  I'm big on that labeling. Like, everything has a particular place and spot. Contacts, skin masks, ones for hydration, ones for exfoliation.

• 12:50Speaker 00

  Whoa, whoa, we're talking, okay, we're in the bathroom.

• 12:52Speaker 02

  Yes, we're in the bathroom, everything is organized, even by my bedside, supplements at the top, all my, like, eye masks, like, getting ready to wind down, then underneath is the journal. I even have written out my cycle things, you know, and what I need for them, what type of foods I should be eating at that time.

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  I always get shocked when people tell me that they don't write out, or like, think about what they have to do the next day, or what, like, I can't, I can't, I don't understand how people organize their days without a list.

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  I don't either, and it's so weird to imagine that that's so specific to a personality type. It, to me, seems like the only human way to function, but I guess we're one of one, or a group of one.

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  Well, I, there are some very important Virgos in the world. You are one of them, Beyonce is one of them, Zendaya-

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Can we talk about Kobe Bryant?

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  Kobe Bryant?

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  Kobe Bryant, Mother Teresa, we even have him in the spiritual realm. I always need people to know that, because it's more than entertainment. We even have a strong prayed-up Virgo. You know? And, look, I'm not gonna go there, but I heard that we celebrate it on Christmas, but I heard that Jesus maybe was born in September.

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  That's what I heard. That's what I heard.

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  Capricorns like to claim him.

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  But we really have him. We know the real deal. We know that Jesus kept his eye masks very separate from his, from the supplements.

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  I mean, you can't have disciples and not organize them. You can't have a crew like that. You can't be, you know what I mean? You can't have that setup.

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  100%. He was running a lot of things.

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  He was running a lot, same.

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  He was like, you go over here, you go over here, I'll turn this to this.

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  Orchestrating, I'll turn this to this, watch.

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  Okay, I'll take care of it, I'll take care of it. It's, you know what? The other thing, I just, I'm constantly always looking for systems. I know you like this, you, I love a good, girl, I love a good system.

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  Anything, pattern recognition.

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  I'm like, tell me how you do it. I just found something on TikTok that I'm obsessed with, which is, it's the steel container that you keep next to your stove when you're cooking, you know, that you put, like, your utensils in. There's a whole thing about, like, what are the six utensils that you need next to your stove that, like, you use every day? And when I tell you that I have spent hours shopping for what is the best and only bachelor, like, what are the six cooking tools I want?

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  That's support, that's self-support.

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  That is, that, to me, is a day well spent.

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  I love that kind of thing, because honestly, it's really about optimization. I think we're actually fighting for ease, even though it seems like we're making our life more difficult by, by doing these things, these things are actually on the path of ease. Because when it's already set up, you don't have to think about it, you don't.

• 15:37Speaker 00

  Well, that's actually the theme of what I want to talk to you about today, is this idea of exactly that, like, maximizing, optimizing.

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  This is amazing, amazing words. This is the most Virgo-ing, Virgo-ing session.

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  And rest and ease.

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  Yeah.

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  Those two things, cause they, they are-

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  You need them both.

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  Double-sided, they're a black and white cookie, you gotta have both. And I gotta tell you, Kiki, I texted you on the way over here, um, whatever, I have your phone number, no big deal.

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  You look crazy.

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  And I, cause I had such a peaceful feeling. I had such a peaceful feeling coming to talk to you. I was like, I know that whatever we talk about is gonna be funny and real, and you're so easy to be around and to talk to, thank you for that. I know it's not easy to be an easy person to be around sometimes, if that makes any sense, but what I, what I know about you always is that you bring a very open and curious version of yourself all the time, and you're so talented and funny. Kiki, you are so fucking funny. You are like an old-fashioned, one-of-a-kind entertainer who can do it all. You're like Martin Short, you're like Eddie Murphy, you're like, ah, I like, ah-

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  Come on, vaudeville, I live for the old-fashioned, because that's how I grew up. Like Lucille Ball.

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  Yes, there it is, that's it.

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  I'm obsessed.

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  You are like Lucille Ball.

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  I love that vibe.

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  You can do it all, you are a Swiss Army knife. There's nothing you can't do, Kiki!

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  My girl!

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  But I think you do too many things.

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Right, I do. This is also true. Black and white cookie, black and white cookie.

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  You are a mogul. You're a visionary, you're a mogul.

• 17:14Speaker 02

  By the way, I was with Rashida the other night, and she told me that she's at your house, she's staying with you.

• 17:19Speaker 00

  Yes, Rashida's-

• 17:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, she told me that, and she was like, Amy told me you guys are gonna be talking soon. I said, I know, I can't wait to see my girl. It was so good to see her. She's so cool.

• 17:26Speaker 00

  My wife is staying with me for a while, and it's so nice. Okay, we're gonna talk about the future, we're gonna talk about the past, we're gonna talk, but I want to know right now, like, today, what was your morning like? What do you do in the morning? What's your system in the morning?

• 17:39Speaker 02

  This was a great day and morning for me.

• 17:41Speaker 00

  Okay, let's hear about it.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  So last night, I got to bed at a pretty good time.

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  Let's talk about sleep.

• 17:44Speaker 02

  So I was happy about that, girl.

• 17:45Speaker 00

  How much sleep do you like to get?

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  I mean, if I can get to sleep at 10:30, I'm really happy.

• 17:49Speaker 00

  Oh, that's a-

• 17:49Speaker 02

  Really, really happy. Last night, I got to bed at 11:00 PM. That's still a pretty good one for me, you know? So I went to sleep, I had my alarm clock set at 7:15, and then 7:30, because you know I need it.

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  What kind of alarm clock are we talking?

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  I used to be, "Mwah, mwah, mwah." Then I say, girl, that's too much, you need to be nicer to yourself. So now it's like, "Doo doo doo doo doo doo." So that's a little nicer, you know what I mean? And I have it on loud, because I was planning to go to Pilates, which I made, I'm so happy. I went to my, one of my favorite studios, actually, that's a lie, it is my favorite studio, Forma, I love it so much. So I went at 8:00 AM, felt so good about my life and myself. Cause you know, I feel good when I get a little bit of a workout in. And Pilates is perfect, because it's not too intense, like, I'm not, like, trying to lose my life in the gym.

• 18:34Speaker 00

  I want to tell, you're becoming a Pilates instructor?

• 18:35Speaker 02

  Yes, girl! Kiki! What, I feel like that one clip where somebody's impersonating over her, and they're like-

• 18:43Speaker 00

  I think I did a sketch about that, where my head blew off. Where my head blew off. Kiki, you are a Pilates instructor.

• 18:50Speaker 02

  Girl, because I fell so in love with it, and it became such a big part of my life, that I'm like, I need, I want to be a part of giving other people this feeling, because it's really, really helped me. It's helped me.

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  Dude, me too. I do Pilates, and it is one of those things that makes me feel connected to my actual body, cause I can feel a little disembodied.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  Girl, me too.

• 19:10Speaker 00

  I mean, I think we have a lot of similarities, I'll try not to harp on the entire interview, but I do think we do, and one of them is, like, I need to, like, I like, like, do you like to be smushed?

• 19:20Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, like, smushed together with a body?

• 19:22Speaker 00

  Or like, just like, like, a heavy thing on you? Like, okay.

• 19:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 19:30Speaker 02

  I could use more of that.

• 19:31Speaker 00

  Okay, do you like stim a little bit? Like, do you put your feet under, do you put your feet under cushions?

• 19:35Speaker 02

  Yes, I put my feet under cushions, I like to be smushed up against things in that regard. I bite my jaw a lot.

• 19:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, just to feel a little, mm.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, it's so-

• 19:42Speaker 00

  Sometimes, because when you're, when you're living up here, sometimes you have to be reminded, I have a body.

• 19:48Speaker 02

  Yes, it's so true.

• 19:50Speaker 00

  It's true, and Pilates really does that.

• 19:51Speaker 02

  Do you think that this is something about why we like comedy? Do you think that that's connected in a way?

• 19:57Speaker 00

  Great question, that's a great question. I mean, that's why I think I always am enamored with dancers, is dancers are always, like, in their bodies, like, thinking about their bodies, moving them, and you can see how they move, they're just, they're inside their bodies, and I think you're right, comedy, a lot of it is like, "Whee!" Like, like, you're the-

• 20:14Speaker 02

  That's what's, we're up in that air with it. And it, like, it's fun to be the disembodied, but then sometimes, what I've learned with myself, and what Pilates helped me to realize, is that I've gotta have some more balance with this, cause it's fun to be we, cause sometimes you need to be we.

• 20:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:28Speaker 02

  But then it's like, you need to also really have the practices that remind you that it's safe inside, too.

• 20:33Speaker 00

  Totally.

• 20:34Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 20:35Speaker 00

  Let's do the hundreds really fast.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  By the way, it's time to work out. You didn't know?

• 20:45Speaker 00

  Okay, you're hosting an amazing podcast and have for many years. I got the pleasure of doing it. And you're so good at it. Oh, my gosh. And what have you, like, I know I'm learning a lot about, you know, even how I communicate, how I operate, what I bring to the table. What have you learned about yourself from talking to all these people?

• 21:04Speaker 02

  Well, you know, I felt like I always knew that I liked to talk, but I didn't know that it was something people enjoyed. You know what I mean? So I felt like I was so surprised, delightfully surprised that people would want to hear conversations because that's what I love to have.

• 21:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  So I feel like the podcast, I mean, you know, when you're going to any podcast, that it's time to talk and it's time to get into something interesting.

• 21:26Speaker 00

  But not everyone, not everyone does that, right? Like, I feel like you and I could talk forever and ever. That's not always the case with people who come in to talk.

• 21:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:38Speaker 00

  And it's fascinating to sit in the, to tolerate.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:43Speaker 00

  The silence of it, too. It's hard. That's hard for me.

• 21:46Speaker 02

  You know, a lot of, some people have asked me about that with the guests, like, you know, do you enjoy every single guest? And I was like, I do, but every guest is different. So the level of enjoyment is also predicated on how much they're willing. So you're right that sometimes, you know, it's not that it's not a great time, but it's that maybe this person's not that open. And that's okay. I'm going to meet them where they are and still we're going to have a great time.

• 22:06Speaker 00

  Well, that's what you can do so well, is meet people where they are and mirror people, like their energy. I find sometimes, you know, by my like codependency, it's hard for me to not fill in a silence.

• 22:20Speaker 00

  And then you're like, in your head, you're like, shh, quiet now, quiet, quiet. And it's like, I can't, I can't stop talking.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  That's the regulator. That's like, I gotta regulate this. It's like rhythm. And I think about this all the time as a performer. Like, I think we're constantly in rhythms. So it's like, when we hear a downbeat, we like, oh shit, it turned into Macbeth real fast. Like, why are we now?

• 22:43Speaker 00

  Can you say Macbeth on a podcast? Is that bad luck?

• 22:48Speaker 02

  Like, it gets, you know, so it's, but, but, but sometimes it's like, that's what it needs to be.

• 22:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's right.

• 22:54Speaker 02

  So I'm also in a season of practicing restraint.

• 22:59Speaker 02

  I'm trying to, when I say I'm reining my shit in, like my name is Rudolph. Girl, I'm reining in it.

• 23:04Speaker 00

  Season of restraint?

• 23:06Speaker 02

  Season of restraint, girl.

• 23:07Speaker 00

  Okay, what does that look like? How, what, I, I feel that? So, God, that is so hard.

• 23:13Speaker 02

  It's like seeing something and knowing something and not saying it. You know, having a conversation and deciding to let reality show me instead of pulling for more, asking for more. You know, if it doesn't feel good, right, if I have to contort myself or push in order for it to happen, deciding that that, that I should pull back. You know what I mean? And it's, and I'm really happy that I'm in this season. And I, and again, I always bring everything back to my son, but my son is really bringing out the best in me because as a mom, I feel like we had to practice restraint.

• 23:49Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 23:49Speaker 02

  Because we gotta let our kids learn things.

• 23:51Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  We can't always step in the way. And so that's teaching me that, wait a minute, I probably should be pulling back in a lot of areas in my life. And not only will that actually be a better service to the things that I'm a part of, but I'll also have more energy.

• 24:04Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  When it's time for me.

• 24:06Speaker 00

  And it's a hard lesson, it was a hard lesson for me to learn, which is actually, people feel closer to you when they get to take care of you, which, barf, I mean, like.

• 24:16Speaker 02

  Like.

• 24:16Speaker 00

  Like, like, I was like, what?

• 24:19Speaker 02

  Why am I so adverse to that?

• 24:21Speaker 00

  What do you mean? I know, I was like, what do you mean? I take care of people. That's my love language. And, and it's like, no.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  And what are you gonna do for me?

• 24:30Speaker 02

  You're not even gonna do it right. I gotta relax with that.

• 24:33Speaker 00

  I know. I sometimes feel, like you, an obligation that nobody's asking for, by the way. People aren't asking it of me, but an obligation to mirror, match, and take care of people. And then, secondly, speaking of Rashida, Kadada, her sister taught me this. She was like, you cut the cords when you get home, right?

• 24:49Speaker 02

  Boom. Girl, when you started talking about visualizing, I said, give us Melissa Joan Hart, the brand, she ain't twitch my show, my girl. These are good rituals.

• 24:57Speaker 00

  Do you know about cutting the cords?

• 24:59Speaker 02

  Girl, I've been cutting somebody cord for the last month. Let's say it's a relationship, even a family member, whatever the thing you feel like is hooked to you.

• 25:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  For me, I was imagining the cord of this relationship that I felt was weighing me down. It was not good for me. I was feeling too emotionally pulled from it constantly. So she walked me through visualizing a cord. And it was like, the cord was thick. It was like the weight of a ton. It was like thick, like almost leathery. I could feel it right around my, like my sacral area. You know what I mean? Like, it's, it's deep. It's deep rooted to my power source. And I just sat there and said, you know, I need a, I need a, I need a knife. No, I, I need a motherfucking axe to cut this shit.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  So I just started visualizing where this cord is, right here in this business. And every day, I was axing it. And it would try to come back. It would try to rejuvenate itself. And I kept axing it, axing it, axing it. And now it's gone. It's no longer there. But these visualization tools are absolutely necessary.

• 26:09Speaker 00

  For me, it's more about like that feeling when you walk through a cobweb. And you get that like feeling where you've got a cobweb on you and you're like, and you know it's around and it's kind of sticky. I think that way sometimes when I walk through my house, which is, I gotta get rid of other people's cobwebs. And it can be like, person that you walk past to that, like, gave you a shitty look, or a bad conversation, or even just like some version of yourself that you didn't like that day. That kind of feeling of entering a threshold clean and clear, whatever it takes.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  My grandma, I didn't realize this until I got older and I started to reflect back. My grandma used to always do, tell me and teach me to sweep in front of the porch and sweep in back of the porch. And it was just like this same kind of concept of removing everything, making sure, you know, it's clean. You know, cleaning your space and kind of setting the tone and setting the area. I think those things, like, getting back into that stuff and talking with other women about that kind of thing is just feels so empowering. It's so good for the soul. You know what I mean?

• 27:10Speaker 00

  Okay, you, I feel like you got a lot of this, like, really good sense of how to read people from Chicago.

• 27:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 27:19Speaker 00

  Where you grew up. And I bet a lot of people don't assume you're from the Midwest.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  They don't. They don't. But I feel like I give Midwest.

• 27:26Speaker 00

  Yes. What is, what's the most Midwest thing about you?

• 27:28Speaker 02

  Well, I love the mundane.

• 27:35Speaker 02

  Like, I love simplicity.

• 27:37Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 27:38Speaker 02

  And that's why when people are always like, they always are interested in my dating life or, you know, what type. It's like, I'm always interested in Everyday Joe because that reminds me of where I'm from. And that doesn't mean that Everyday Joe's not special. It just means that he's not flashy. He's not flamboyant. He's not taking up, you know, he might take up space because he's awesome, but he's not like, that's not how he enters. And I feel like that's, Chicago is a very blue collar. It's very like, people are amazing and awesome, but they're kind of like, no big deal.

• 28:05Speaker 00

  Totally.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  And so I love that kind of energy when people don't have to put on too much. You know what I'm saying? They can be themselves and they can give a little jazz, but it doesn't have to be like for a certain thing. It's just them being a cool person.

• 28:18Speaker 00

  Totally.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  I love like, you know, picnics, going to the lake, you know, being in a trailer. I love a trailer. I love going like around, a road trip type of situation, like, just things that I feel like are very salt of the earth.

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• 31:13Speaker 00

  Who was a Chicago star that you saw when you were there?

• 31:15Speaker 02

  Bernie Mac.

• 31:16Speaker 00

  Oh, my God. Can we talk about Bernie Mac?

• 31:18Speaker 02

  Bernie Mac, Bernie Mac, baby. Bernie Mac, Chicago legend.

• 31:21Speaker 00

  I love Bernie Mac.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  Bernie Mac's mom.

• 31:23Speaker 00

  Rest in peace, Bernie.

• 31:24Speaker 02

  Rest in peace. We love Bernie.

• 31:26Speaker 00

  He was, he hosted SNL. He was so nice.

• 31:29Speaker 02

  I miss Bernie so much.

• 31:30Speaker 00

  Tell me how, why he was important to you and how you met him.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  You know, because he was, so I actually never met Bernie Mac. I didn't get to meet him, which is devastating. You know, it's devastating.

• 31:39Speaker 00

  I have a couple of those people too where I'm like, huh?

• 31:41Speaker 02

  I didn't meet Whitney Houston.

• 31:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. God, Whitney would have loved you.

• 31:45Speaker 02

  And I feel like we would have been like, you know?

• 31:48Speaker 00

  100%.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  But I loved her daughter, Barbie Christina.

• 31:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:52Speaker 02

  Me and Barbie Christina met on MySpace and we would always be like, hey, girl, hey, girl. Love Barbie Christina. Rest in peace to Barbie Christina, too.

• 31:58Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  But, um, yeah, I always loved Bernie because he was so funny and so real. And always was able to ride the wave of like being edgy and saying something true, but also still like, I think the wonderful thing about any great comedian is to be able to bring up difficult topics and make, and metabolize them, help the public metabolize them through entertainment. And I think he was great with that.

• 32:23Speaker 00

  Totally.

• 32:23Speaker 02

  And he just was, yeah, he just, he also seemed like a really sweet person. Everybody loved Bernie, too. You know what I mean? And so he just had, seemed to have a genuine spirit and obviously a great inspiration. So I love, whatever I think about, you know, anybody, Chicago greats, you know, Bernie Mac is one of the first people that come in my mind.

• 32:39Speaker 00

  Now I'm picturing you and Whitney, though, singing on stage.

• 32:42Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 32:42Speaker 00

  Oh, my gosh.

• 32:43Speaker 02

  That would have been, God, that would have been incredible.

• 32:46Speaker 00

  Okay, okay, sorry. Well, um, but so you're in Chicago and both of your parents were actors.

• 32:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, not professional, but they did it like off.

• 32:54Speaker 00

  They met that way.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  They met that way. They did speech and TURP. They met actually at a speech competition in New Orleans. That's where they had Popeyes for the first time. They always bring that up because I guess like back then Popeyes was like Raisin Canes or like Chick-fil-A before it became national. Like it was only in New Orleans. So they always talk about, that was the first time we had Popeyes. Also Popeyes has branded this. No, I'm kidding. But they loved, they always talked about that. They talked about their story of falling in love through the arts. When they got back to Chicago, my mom went to New York and she was going to be a, you know, actress and performer. And my dad stayed in Chicago and they would be like pen pals, writing letters back and forth and talking on the phone every now and then.

• 33:30Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  And my mom couldn't afford tap shoes, so my dad like spent all his money and like, she had tap shoes at her door like the following week and that was so touching to her. And he was so supportive of her. And then one day he, she doesn't hear from him and she's like, where's this motherfucker? She's like pissed. She's like, a few days have gone by, like, who the hell, where the hell? And finally she gets a call and she's like angry. She's like, what, what do you mean? Larry, Larry got into a car, he got into a big accident.

• 33:56Speaker 00

  Oh, my gosh.

• 33:57Speaker 02

  And his mouth has been like closed shut.

• 34:00Speaker 00

  Wired shut.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  So he couldn't speak. She was on the next flight out and she said, I knew how I felt then, that I had to be with this man for the rest of my life. So she goes back to Chicago. They do theater in Chicago at the Black Ensemble Theater, started by Jackie Taylor. It still goes on. And my parents performed in this really cool musical called The Other Cinderella. And they just fell in love. Like, right, right. Which is crazy, right?

• 34:28Speaker 00

  Because Kiki was in Cinderella.

• 34:29Speaker 02

  It's so weird to me, these little like thingy thingy. And yeah, and then they started having kids and they kind of, it was kind of a dreams deferred situation. They were like, oh, reality hit.

• 34:38Speaker 00

  What I love, you speak all the time so beautifully about it, is how your family made a big sacrifice to kind of support your dream. They moved from Chicago to LA. Your siblings came too, right?

• 34:50Speaker 02

  My siblings came too.

• 34:51Speaker 00

  They came. They all, they all picked up and moved.

• 34:53Speaker 02

  They all picked up. So we drove four days and three nights. And then when we got there was like, oh, my gosh, we're so broke. You know what I mean? How are we gonna get, pull things together? So I get an agent and we've been, we have been talking and emailing and I had met some people before on a one trip that I went with my parents. So we knew who I was gonna be working with. And I got me an agent immediately. I mean, really very quickly, I got a job. When I got that job.

• 35:14Speaker 00

  Was it, what was the job?

• 35:16Speaker 02

  It was a movie that I did with William H. Macy. I was 10 years old and it was called The Wool Cap. And like, it was kind of like a play on Gigo, so like he didn't talk. And I was like this little girl that was like, this is me and my friend, you know? We need this, you know? The movie is so, it's so old. It was like a TNT film. Anyhow, we did this movie and my mom and I went to Montreal. It was the first time that my parents had like not been around each other 24/7, you know, in like, since she was 19.

• 35:45Speaker 00

  Because a lot of people don't know, when you're a minor and you're on set, you need an adult guardian with you at all times.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  But then it's like, they're only gonna pay for one.

• 35:51Speaker 00

  Right.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  So my dad stayed back and this was like kind of a moment where the family experienced what we knew we never wanted to really have to experience again, which was separation.

• 36:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:00Speaker 02

  So my dad was in LA, making sure we had a good place to stay. My sisters and my, uh, my sister and my younger brother and sister went back with my grandma for a little bit.

• 36:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:10Speaker 02

  And then when we came back after that movie, we knew that it was like, whatever situation we get in, we need to make it to where we can be together at some, like we have to figure this out. And so that was like the beginning. And so it, that caused for a lot of sacrifices.

• 36:23Speaker 00

  It's a lot of pressure on you, too. It's a lot of pressure on you.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  For sure. Tons. And that I couldn't really hold. I think in the beginning I probably talked about it more. And then as time went on, it was just like, if I talk about this anymore, I'm gonna break.

• 36:38Speaker 00

  Yeah. Because you've decided to do something that you love. You're a natural at it. You, the family is like, okay, we're behind you. And then of course, like with that comes like an expectation that you're not, you can't complain about the thing that's hard to do and you can't change your mind about the thing that's hard to do.

• 36:54Speaker 02

  No.

• 36:55Speaker 00

  And you have to keep doing the thing that you are really naturally good at and love to do because it's, it's taking care of a lot of people. It's a lot.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  Heavy on that last part because our lives changed tremendously.

• 37:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  And once you, when you're, when you, when you're in poverty, you don't really know too much. I mean, especially at the age in which I was. You know, when I left, I was 10. So it, it didn't really hit me yet that like this could be a problem. Now, certain things did, right? Like I had experienced discrimination with my race. I had experienced like, oh, I can't get K. Swiss at Payless? You know, I'd experienced some things.

• 37:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  But they weren't, it wasn't so heavy yet. I still felt like, you know? And then when you actually see it, when I actually started to see what I was missing out on, what my family was missing out on.

• 37:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  I felt that they deserved so much more. I felt we deserved so much more. So then it became like, how do I make sure that we get to have what I realized was like, really things that all human beings should have?

• 37:55Speaker 00

  But that's, that's adult thinking and behavior. That's adultified, parentified stuff pretty early. And you've talked about, I love how you talk about, I know you talk about it with your family. Like, it feels like you've really, in a way that I think few people, you know, because you certainly don't have to be an actor to have that happen to you. You can have, it can be any.

• 38:12Speaker 02

  Parentification of the child is actually quite common.

• 38:15Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 38:16Speaker 02

  Especially under capitalism.

• 38:17Speaker 00

  Woo.

• 38:19Speaker 02

  It is tough, but it's the truth. And I think that's been such a big part of my healing and my family's healing because it all cost us something. People judge my parents so badly. They really, really judge them. And that was a hurt that I didn't know because I was also feeling what I was feeling in my position. And so them owning what, us talking about it and owning what that experience did to all of us, to be so perceived, to be so judged for what some things were out of our control, like, I mean, how can you be, how can you reject the reality that my parents weren't gonna get the same opportunities that I was getting?

• 39:03Speaker 00

  Also, they had a daughter like you and you are a very, very special person. I mean, I don't believe anybody's above and anybody's below, but you have, you have a gift.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  And I think I realized just how much courage it took my parents to really let me go. And really like let me be me because yeah, it was a lot.

• 39:27Speaker 00

  Little Akila in the bee, Kiki. I mean, it must be wild to have your inner child in a movie.

• 39:35Speaker 02

  It's so crazy.

• 39:36Speaker 00

  You know, it is like you can go, you're like, I'm gonna go check out my inner child and you turn it on. I mean, that performance, you in it and that, that moment is so tender. It's so precious. And so special.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  It hits me more now.

• 39:51Speaker 00

  Do you, has Leo seen that?

• 39:53Speaker 02

  He hasn't seen it yet. Leo does, has, has shown that he doesn't think I'm that dope. He has, it has started, it started to appear.

• 40:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:04Speaker 02

  That I'm not really cool to him. I remember I was playing some, I was playing some Drake, you know? And I was like, hey, hey, hey. I was like, hey, G, hey, G, mommy, no.

• 40:15Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Don't dance.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  Stop it. Stop it. No. You need to stop being silly.

• 40:21Speaker 00

  You're like.

• 40:22Speaker 02

  Everybody loves when I get silly. Silly pays the bills, honey. Everybody loves when I do the silly thing. You hate it somehow.

• 40:31Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:32Speaker 02

  He's like, cut that shit out. It's crazy how brutal they can be.

• 40:37Speaker 00

  It's, I mean.

• 40:39Speaker 02

  His, his, his space for my silliness is this much. He'll, he'll gag with me for a minute and then he's like, stop. He's like, please, cut the clown shit.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  It's so crazy. It's so true.

• 40:54Speaker 00

  It's so true, but that's healthy, that's healthy.

• 40:56Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh, because they really set you straight.

• 40:59Speaker 00

  And also, you do not want your kid to be like, you do not want your kid taking care, like, taking care of your ego and feelings. You just don't, you don't want them to be like, oh, I gotta make sure that mom feels funny today.

• 41:10Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh, that?

• 41:12Speaker 00

  Dangerous, like if your kid, my, my, my, my son the other day was like, doing back to me all my fake laughs, and I was like, I feel so seen. He was like, Mom, you know, you didn't think it was that funny. And I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, well, because you were like, ha. And I was like, what? And he was like, you know, when you go, ha, and I was like,

• 41:34Speaker 00

  and I go, stop paying attention to me.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  I know. It's so incredible.

• 41:40Speaker 00

  They're really, they're always watching.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 41:42Speaker 00

  Okay, um, can I talk to you about a couple of people that you work with? Because there are some people that you work with that I, I love. And I know you've worked with some very, very special people, and they've meant a lot to you. And you've, you have worked with so many wonderful women. And I, I do want to ask and specifically focus on the women that you've worked with.

• 42:02Speaker 02

  Angela Bassett.

• 42:03Speaker 00

  Okay, talk about Angela Bassett.

• 42:04Speaker 02

  Angela Bassett, hands down, incredible. Uh, working with her on Akilin the Bee was the best gift that I could have coming into this industry. And she taught me something that I didn't really understand well enough till later. But she taught me a skill of how to get to the emotion without damaging yourself.

• 42:21Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 42:22Speaker 02

  Because I think for many years, because I didn't have a lot of experiences as a kid, it was hard for me to attach what the character was going through to something that had happened to me.

• 42:29Speaker 00

  That's very interesting.

• 42:30Speaker 02

  Without damaging myself, without being like, my grandma died.

• 42:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:33Speaker 02

  And so, when I was on set with her, I had a scene where Dr. Larry leaves me, you know, doesn't help me anymore, and she, so she, I, I can't cry, I can't get to the emotion. And she's like, who helps you with everything? I'm like, oh, you know, my mom. You know, he's like, who takes you, who helps with your lines? Who takes you to the auditions? I'm like, my mom. She was like, well, what if your mom said, I'm not helping you anymore? You can't do the thing that you love. And I immediately started crying.

• 42:58Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 42:59Speaker 02

  And that was like something that I now understand. I do it all the time, but for many years, from that moment in between, I struggled with doing the wrong thing, which could be really hurtful to you as an actor, because your emotions don't know that you're kidding.

• 43:13Speaker 00

  That's right, that, sometimes what helps me cry is I'm like, I'm doing such a bad job in the scene. I can't cry. I'm not kidding.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  Queen Latifah.

• 43:20Speaker 00

  Okay, Dana.

• 43:23Speaker 02

  Dana is so remarkable.

• 43:26Speaker 00

  She's really something.

• 43:27Speaker 02

  She taught me what it means to be a CEO, to be a businesswoman in the game.

• 43:32Speaker 00

  Dana, if you're listening, please come on.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  Oh, yo.

• 43:35Speaker 00

  Have you had her on your pod?

• 43:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, she doesn't do, I ain't seen her.

• 43:38Speaker 00

  She doesn't do pods?

• 43:39Speaker 02

  She doesn't do it.

• 43:39Speaker 00

  Come do me and Kiki's pods, we'll do it together.

• 43:41Speaker 02

  That would be sickening.

• 43:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, she's something else.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  Because she doesn't really talk too much, so if you hear her, you'll be like, woo.

• 43:47Speaker 00

  Well, she's a queen, she doesn't have to.

• 43:48Speaker 02

  And boy, does she, she also taught me how to walk. I still haven't got her walk together, but when I tell you that queen is titties up, ass back.

• 43:55Speaker 00

  Incredible, I know.

• 43:57Speaker 02

  I love the way she walks.

• 43:59Speaker 00

  I know.

• 43:59Speaker 02

  It's such a hot walk.

• 44:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:00Speaker 02

  That back is straight.

• 44:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  That chest is high.

• 44:03Speaker 00

  Regal, smart, funny, great sense of humor about herself, which like, doesn't take herself too seriously. Like, you learn so much about somebody when they come and host SNL, like, immediately. You learn immediately, because they're nervous. You, you learn what people get, what are like when they're nervous or stressed. She was so fun and funny, and I've told the story before, there was a moment where me and her and Maya had to sing these like jingles, and it was very SNL, like, live show. They're counting down like 10, 9, 8, and then the stage manager is like, there's no music. 5, 4, and we're like, what? 3, and she's like, just sing without music, 2, 1, and we're like, la, la, la, la, la, la.

• 44:43Speaker 00

  And after she was like, she just like, had such a good time with that.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  The chaos.

• 44:50Speaker 00

  The chaos.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:51Speaker 00

  What did you learn from her?

• 44:54Speaker 02

  That people are watching, even when you don't think they're watching. Because I remember when I'd worked with her, I started working with her a couple of different times. And I was like, you know, one, on the, one of the last times, the director was like, you know, it was hard to figure out who we wanted to give the role to, and we spoke to Queen, and we asked who, who she thought was the best person for the job, and she said, you. And so I was thanking her for like, you know, thank you for, for believing in me. And she said, well, Kiki, I've actually been, you know, it's not just me believing you. I've actually been seeing, watching you.

• 45:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:23Speaker 02

  And I'm like, Dan, you was, and she was like, you are professional, you show up to everything that you do. Um, and so keep, because you don't know, I just remember thinking in that moment, like, wow, like, my work ethic precedes me. You know, the, the way that I continue to move into the game, it's going to count for something at some point.

• 45:41Speaker 00

  Also, it's not what you say, it's what you do.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying?

• 45:45Speaker 00

  Like, even though we like to talk, you like to talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, like, uh, my, uh, I, acts of service for me is a love language, like, the way people, what people do. You can say whatever you want, but like, what did you actually do? And it sounds like she was like, she did things, she made things happen for you.

• 46:06Speaker 02

  Continuously, over time, yeah.

• 46:08Speaker 00

  That's amazing. Do you like to cry, are you a good crier?

• 46:12Speaker 02

  In real life?

• 46:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 46:15Speaker 00

  Are you an easy crier?

• 46:16Speaker 02

  I think I'm that person that's like, time to cry.

• 46:20Speaker 00

  But do you, do you cry by yourself, or?

• 46:22Speaker 02

  I cry actually alone quite a lot.

• 46:23Speaker 00

  I love crying alone.

• 46:24Speaker 02

  Some people can say I have a depression issue.

• 46:27Speaker 00

  No, I love crying alone.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  But I love to cry alone. And I, and I, and I save space and hold space for a while, just pick up.

• 46:33Speaker 00

  Sometimes I'm like, oh, I'm gonna cry tonight, but.

• 46:37Speaker 00

  It is, it's like, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get a TV show. I'm gonna get under my, I'm gonna get on my biomat, I'm gonna get on my mic, I'm gonna cry.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  I'm going to cry, like, my life depends on it. I will literally cry, cry, cry, and it, it, it's a, because it's actually like a release.

• 46:53Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  It's a release of this sadness that you need brought out, that you buried. Maybe it was from last, yesterday, maybe it was from 10 years ago, but you, you got it in the, in the ether of your mind. You're like, I never cried about that. I think I also have a lot of anger.

• 47:06Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  A lot of anger, because, you know, it's been, it's such a thing as a black woman where it's like, can't be angry.

• 47:14Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  But then it's like, it goes to the point where it's like, bitch, you should be angry for that.

• 47:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:18Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 47:19Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 47:20Speaker 02

  And so I feel like I'm dealing now with the realities of holding space for the fact that I'm allowed to be angry without wearing the weight of the perception around being an angry black woman.

• 47:30Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  You know, so I think I have a lot of work to do there, where I allow myself the, the space to be pissed off. To the idea of just like, ah, ah. I started getting into rock music a little bit more.

• 47:42Speaker 00

  Fuck, yeah.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  I've got a couple of right, rock songs that I wrote.

• 47:45Speaker 00

  Whoa.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh, and I'm like, ah.

• 47:49Speaker 02

  Because I'm letting that rage out, you know what I mean? Well, I'm gonna need to be like, yeah, because it's like, I'm, I'm actually angry.

• 47:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:57Speaker 02

  You know?

• 47:57Speaker 00

  Fuck, yeah.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  You know, I didn't let it out, you know?

• 47:59Speaker 00

  Fuck, yeah, no shit.

• 48:01Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 48:02Speaker 00

  God, I love that for you, Kiki. I love that, I love that anger, um, I, I love that era for you. I do like that very much.

• 48:09Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 48:10Speaker 00

  And, and it.

• 48:10Speaker 02

  Mary Khalise. I hate you so much right now, ah.

• 48:18Speaker 02

  It's important.

• 48:19Speaker 00

  Wait, what are some good angry, angry songs? That's a good one, obviously.

• 48:22Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh, I love that. I also love Fifi Dobson. I grew up loving Fifi Dobson. She's like OG classic, you know, that's my girl. Um, other songs that are like really good for screaming.

• 48:31Speaker 00

  What are good screaming songs, I mean, um.

• 48:33Speaker 02

  I mean, you can go to G4L, like Rihanna back in that one, that one right after Good Girl Gone Bad. She was pissed.

• 48:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, and, and Bitch Better Have My Money is not screamy, but it's angry.

• 48:42Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying?

• 48:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:43Speaker 02

  Also, what? No. I just can't figure it out. You remember that one? I love that album, because that album was like, the second album was like, it was like Good Girl Gone Bad, and then the second album was like, yo, I'm in a dark place angry. It was really, I mean, those albums, uh, were just so curated in a way that told us the story of a woman becoming.

• 49:09Speaker 00

  I felt that way with Mary, Jay Bla, when Mary, Mary's.

• 49:12Speaker 02

  Mary is that too?

• 49:13Speaker 00

  Mary had like a way of expressing that, like, uh, um, mature anger.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh, Mary. Mary, and then, I'm just fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine. Like, she showed us.

• 49:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, she showed us the whole arc.

• 49:31Speaker 02

  Let's get it, crank up on it. Mary, I also am obsessed.

• 49:36Speaker 00

  I'm obsessed with Mary.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  And now she's on stage, like, can't wait to get off.

• 49:39Speaker 00

  Also, did you ever hear?

• 49:43Speaker 02

  I love her down.

• 49:45Speaker 00

  That's success.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  You know.

• 49:46Speaker 00

  As the minute you're on, you're waiting to get off.

• 49:48Speaker 02

  True Capricorn energy.

• 49:49Speaker 00

  Oh, she's, you're so right. We know you're in a Mary, please, if you and

• 49:53Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, Mary too.

• 49:54Speaker 00

  and Queen are listening to this together, please, come on.

• 49:56Speaker 02

  Please.

• 49:56Speaker 00

  Please, um, okay, J-Lo.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  Oh, love J-Lo.

• 50:00Speaker 00

  Okay. I feel like you guys have a work-

• 50:02Speaker 02

  Nobody can get me up off her. My girl.

• 50:06Speaker 00

  Okay, what does you love about working with her?

• 50:08Speaker 02

  Well, first of all, I love that she's a real boss bitch and she don't play.

• 50:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  She's very like, come on.

• 50:13Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 50:13Speaker 02

  But she's, again, watching.

• 50:16Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  And she has respect for people that are showing up and giving a hundred percent.

• 50:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:20Speaker 02

  And so we kind of bonded because she saw me like on my grind. I wasn't like trying to be too like, I mean, I'm on Van. But I was like, I have so much respect for you. And then boom, I'm going to what I gotta do and I'm making, I'm focusing on my thing. And she was kind of like, well, how can I help you with that? Like, how can we, like, she really liked that I was in my own bag.

• 50:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  And we became really close after that. And I've gone through things in my life.

• 50:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  Where it's like randomly, she'll be like, call me if you need me.

• 50:45Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 50:45Speaker 02

  I'll call her and she'll give me some real deal. And it's like, it's just like, she's a real girl's girl.

• 50:51Speaker 00

  Mentor.

• 50:52Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? She's a real mentor and she's like, I want you to win. You know what I mean? I want you to win. And also, it's, it's, I want you to win in this way where it's also like, you're already winning.

• 51:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:03Speaker 02

  Which is a really cool way to empower somebody.

• 51:05Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 51:06Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Where it's like, Whoopi Goldberg is like that.

• 51:09Speaker 00

  Whoopi.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  Whoopi Goldberg is very, very like, Whoopi Goldberg is like, I'm in chapter a hundred.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  You are currently at chapter thirty and I see it.

• 51:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:18Speaker 02

  She's very like a sage.

• 51:20Speaker 00

  I don't think that ever, at least for me, that's never ended, which is the women that are ahead of me. Like, I'm just watching them, like, how are you doing it? Well, how are you operating? What can I learn from you? Like, and then the women younger than me constantly and, and like thankfully, keep challenging the things that I'm very certain about. Like, every time I get certain, I'm like, right, right, right. There's a young person being like, just before you like carve that in stone, you want to give that another thought? And I'm like, fuck, you're so right. Like, that's, that's like, it feels like that's the-

• 51:51Speaker 02

  I really love that because Queen actually said something, Dana said something like that to me before that made me feel so good because people give you so much, you want to be able to give them something.

• 52:02Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:02Speaker 02

  And she had said, has said something around those, those lines where it's like, you know, it, it becomes recursive.

• 52:09Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:10Speaker 02

  Because there is something that you can hopefully show because of the groundwork that they laid. Well, hey, when you ground, when you laid that groundwork, I decided to go left and I found something new. So, maybe we can go left together too.

• 52:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  And that's very cool.

• 52:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, very cool. I gotta, I gotta say one guy, I gotta put one guy in this list. Jordan Peele.

• 52:29Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, Jordan.

• 52:31Speaker 00

  I mean, you're-

• 52:31Speaker 02

  I really wish that we worked together again.

• 52:33Speaker 00

  Your relationship-

• 52:34Speaker 02

  I miss him a lot.

• 52:34Speaker 00

  And, and that film, Nope, you were so incredible in that.

• 52:38Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 52:39Speaker 00

  Beautiful, like, like such charismatic, interesting work. He is so talented, of course.

• 52:46Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 52:47Speaker 00

  To be directed by him, what's that like? How does it, how do you like how he works? How do you like his system?

• 52:53Speaker 02

  He was the first director that made me realize, and this is no shade to any other director, but made me realize that my opinion was a part of being an actor.

• 53:03Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:04Speaker 02

  That not just taking the orders of or just doing exactly what, you know, and every director's different. I'm open to that. I'm, I'm really, I think that's also why I've been working in the industry as I have because I'm very moldable. I'm very male boss, I guess I'll say. It's the mutable qualities of Virgo. Where I can go where you go. Once I've signed on and I, if I, if I respect you, that's why, I mean, I've only signed on if I respect you. And so I'm open to where you want to take me.

• 53:29Speaker 00

  Totally.

• 53:29Speaker 02

  But his, my experience with him was, I respect you, where do you think I should take this?

• 53:35Speaker 00

  Mmm.

• 53:36Speaker 02

  And that was like a really enriching and empowering experience that now I actually take to my projects, even where the director's not as-

• 53:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:43Speaker 02

  open. I say, well, I hold their feet to the fire on, well, on day one, you told me the character's this way.

• 53:49Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:50Speaker 02

  So, I can go where you want me to go.

• 53:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:52Speaker 02

  But, I want you to know that this is contradictory and so what does that mean to her at this point in time?

• 53:58Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 53:58Speaker 02

  What does that actually, you know, so having that experience with him really empowered that side of me that felt like I could be open and vocal about how to keep consistencies in a character, what felt most true to the role. Um, and then he was fun.

• 54:12Speaker 00

  Because you didn't come from an ensemble. Like, you never had that ensemble feeling.

• 54:16Speaker 02

  No.

• 54:16Speaker 00

  Like of collaborating in that way, like-

• 54:19Speaker 02

  It's such a good point what you say because that's probably, that's Jordan.

• 54:23Speaker 00

  Yeah. Sketch, improv, like, that idea that like, like, we're all gonna try to figure that out together and it's just a little less lonely. Like, it, it's a, it can really, at least for me anyway, it was like, acting is hard and lonely. Um, and can be.

• 54:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:40Speaker 00

  You know, because everybody has their own special thing. Okay, now, um, as the therapist would say, I'm aware of the time. But, um, I just, there's a few other things I want to talk to you about. The Burbs.

• 54:50Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, The Burbs.

• 54:51Speaker 00

  Hold on, Jenna, let me look at what, is it The Burbs? Okay.

• 54:53Speaker 02

  I have to use the bathroom. Can I give you that second?

• 54:56Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, we're talking, this is the first time this has ever happened where I talked, talked to the guests for so long that they have to go to the bathroom.

• 55:05Speaker 00

  Okay, Kiki Palmer is back. How was the bathroom?

• 55:07Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, that was amazing.

• 55:09Speaker 00

  Okay, great.

• 55:10Speaker 02

  It's good to be hydrated, but sheesh.

• 55:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, okay, so, we, you're in Spaceballs, which is hilarious coming out. You're in I Love Boosters, huge film, incredible cast, you guys-

• 55:20Speaker 02

  Shout out to Boots Riley, I love him so much.

• 55:23Speaker 00

  And, and like, that, that movie just looks so fun and original. Congrats on that.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  Thanks.

• 55:28Speaker 00

  And then, um, The Burbs, another season of that, which is-

• 55:32Speaker 02

  Yes, very exciting.

• 55:32Speaker 00

  starting to shoot in the fall.

• 55:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:34Speaker 00

  And so, we have a question, uh, for you from, um, Ms. Paula Pell. So, Paula, we spoke to Paula, yeah, let's talk about Paula.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  She's one of the most incredible humans ever.

• 55:45Speaker 00

  I know.

• 55:46Speaker 02

  She really, really is. First of all, she's really talented, skillful writer, very, very funny. But she's the kind of person where you can, know you can call her up and drive down to the mountains and just be on the couch and have fun with her and her wife and just have the best weekend. Like, she's just really, she reminds me of home, but she's also a Midwestern gal.

• 56:07Speaker 00

  That's right, you guys are Midwestern gals. So, she spoke so highly of you and so lovingly of you and we talked well behind your back. And she, and she, um, and she, you know, is on The Burbs with you, co-stars in that show. And she had a question that I love and wanted to ask you about because it ties into the idea of rest. And she, her question was, what does it look like for Kiki Palmer to rest?

• 56:34Speaker 02

  You know, I've learned that for me, rest still is active. I need to be act, and I think that's why I, I like Pilates more than yoga.

• 56:42Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 56:42Speaker 02

  Does it make sense?

• 56:43Speaker 00

  I can't, yoga's so slow, I want to die.

• 56:46Speaker 02

  It's to, you know what I mean? There has to be some-

• 56:48Speaker 00

  Yes, yes.

• 56:49Speaker 02

  activity in rest. So, rest looks like, for me, um, a day with my son in the yard, playing. It looks like getting my nails done or my hair done or both. It looks like-

• 57:01Speaker 00

  Your nails look incredible right now.

• 57:02Speaker 02

  Thank you, I got them done. For me, rest is like a recharge.

• 57:08Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  And then, another thing that I've been doing that's kind of more typical on the nose, but I've realized that it's really good for me is I've been taking naps.

• 57:15Speaker 00

  Really?

• 57:16Speaker 02

  I started taking naps.

• 57:17Speaker 00

  Fantastic.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  In the car, you know.

• 57:21Speaker 00

  In the bathroom just now?

• 57:22Speaker 02

  That's what I just did.

• 57:26Speaker 02

  I've literally been, because you know, sometimes you'll be going in between these jobs, it'll be thirty minutes.

• 57:30Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  Could even be a forty-five minute ride in L.A., depending on where you're going.

• 57:33Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:33Speaker 02

  I started napping.

• 57:34Speaker 00

  There's a really cool woman I want you to check out. Uh, you should maybe have on your show, uh, Dr. Sandra, um, Dr. Sandra Dalton Smith. And she did a TED Talk about rest. And also, like, she talks a lot about black women and, and the need-

• 57:48Speaker 02

  She's black.

• 57:48Speaker 00

  Yes, and the need for that specifically, to your point, a very specific kind of rest.

• 57:53Speaker 02

  Epigenetically, it's like, rest is not an option. Rest also, it, uh, it is like, you could have died trying to rest.

• 58:00Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 58:01Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 58:02Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 58:02Speaker 02

  And so, um, you know, and I feel like any of the, any of the, when you think about black lineage, if your family is here today, y'all definitely didn't rest.

• 58:10Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 58:11Speaker 02

  That's why you're here.

• 58:11Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  So, it's like, uh, it's a lot of undoing with that.

• 58:15Speaker 00

  She talks about spiritual rest and creative rest and all this stuff and it's cool. And I just like to hear, like, I, I, I, thank you for saying that because I also feel like my rest, um, needs to be a little active and I don't always, um, know where to put it. And, you know, like, puttering is a big one for me, just like-

• 58:34Speaker 02

  What's puttering?

• 58:34Speaker 00

  Well, I call it puttering, but it's just like walking around the house, like, and it's not housekeeping, which is different, right? Like, it's not cleaning, it's just kind of like-

• 58:43Speaker 00

  Like, it's a little bit of organizing, like organizing a pile, or just like with no goal, just like going from room to room and just kind of thinking about like, you know, like maybe taking a note, like I gotta remember to-

• 58:55Speaker 02

  I actually love puttering, too.

• 58:57Speaker 00

  Puttering. I gotta remember to change, I want to change the cover on that chair. I should do that. No expectation to do it, just like observing in slow motion, you know, and, and just touching things.

• 59:09Speaker 02

  That's the mundane.

• 59:11Speaker 00

  That's the mundane. That's right.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  The mundane. There's so, that moment in between the scene.

• 59:17Speaker 00

  And do you do puzzles?

• 59:19Speaker 02

  You know?

• 59:20Speaker 00

  Okay, I'm here to tell you. I'm here to tell you. I know.

• 59:24Speaker 02

  What do you think? It's good.

• 59:26Speaker 00

  I think that's gonna be the next thing for you, because here's why the vergonious is gonna love a puzzle. Because I'm not particularly good at them, by the way. It's not like I, I can't, like, I don't really like have a great puzzle brain. You take the puzzle, you sort the pieces, which feels really nice. You sort them, you walk away. Like puzzles take forever. There's no like deadline for a puzzle. You get a nice puzzle board or a table. You're like, this is where I do my puzzle. Then you come back, you have your coffee and you're like, you know, you're like, this is never, you know, it's gonna take me forever to do this puzzle. And then you find one piece and you put it in, you're like, fucking hot dog. You get an instant, an instant boost. You did one thing and then you go, maybe I'll try to get one more. And you're like, no, I gotta go to work. The puzzle is this like long meditation.

• 1:00:10Speaker 00

  I, I like puzzles for you.

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  You know, when I was a little girl, at my grandma's house, we would do puzzles. So, there's something that was in there that I could unlock.

• 1:00:22Speaker 00

  Okay, final, final minutes, speed round.

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 1:00:26Speaker 00

  Anything you have about any of this, shout it out. Favorite old sitcom?

• 1:00:31Speaker 02

  Oh, well, this was the one that came into mind immediately, so I'm gonna say this one, Family Matters.

• 1:00:35Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  But, but there's many more, but that's just what came to me.

• 1:00:38Speaker 00

  Comfort, Comfort Watch. Okay, manicures, you love them.

• 1:00:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:42Speaker 00

  How, like, what, how long do your manicures take? And what do you like?

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  Hopefully no more than an hour and 30 minutes.

• 1:00:49Speaker 00

  Okay, great.

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  I like to keep it pretty simple, a color with maybe like a glaze or a chrome or, you know what I mean? Right now I've got the friendship with a little glaze. Like, I try to keep it like where it goes with everything. I don't want, I'm not the girl that's like, I was there for three hours. No, no.

• 1:01:02Speaker 00

  Okay, stand-up comedy, would you ever do it?

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:01:05Speaker 00

  You do it every day?

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  No, but I would totally love to do, I need to find a writing partner. I would love to do a stand-up show.

• 1:01:12Speaker 00

  You've got an hour already of material. You go on The Hollywood Reporter, you do that thing, you talk about two girls.

• 1:01:18Speaker 00

  And Quinta goes, Kiki, and I'm like, that is it. You're so-

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  I really wanna do one one day.

• 1:01:24Speaker 00

  Okay, all right, we're gonna do that. You're gonna do that. If you wanna do it, you're gonna do it. Album you're listening to right now?

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  Oh, album I'm listening to right now?

• 1:01:31Speaker 00

  What are you listening to right now?

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  You know, I'm not, I haven't totally digested the Drake album. I've listened to a few songs.

• 1:01:37Speaker 00

  Lot of songs to digest.

• 1:01:38Speaker 02

  I haven't completely digested Don Tolliver's last project, but I like listening to him a lot.

• 1:01:44Speaker 02

  You know, I'll be honest with you, there's not many artists that I'm like,

• 1:01:47Speaker 00

  If there's a song, older, new, right now, like if you were like, let's start dancing, like I wanna get the party going, what would you play?

• 1:01:53Speaker 02

  My love, do you ever think of candy, cold and rainbow? Everybody would be dancing.

• 1:02:06Speaker 00

  Okay, have you ever seen a ghost?

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  I think I've felt one.

• 1:02:12Speaker 00

  Can't you tell that I never want you to leave? Okay, you felt one, you felt one. Okay, great.

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  I think I've felt-

• 1:02:18Speaker 00

  Okay, perfect.

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  The spirit of a ghost.

• 1:02:19Speaker 00

  Do you, do you have a go-to baby present?

• 1:02:21Speaker 02

  Money.

• 1:02:23Speaker 00

  Money?

• 1:02:24Speaker 02

  Just money, y'all need it. Come on, we all could use it, you know what I mean? Money is like my life-

• 1:02:29Speaker 00

  But hand it to the baby.

• 1:02:32Speaker 02

  I do the old school, I put something in the car.

• 1:02:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, like the godfather?

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  Make sure you open the car before the baby.

• 1:02:39Speaker 02

  Put something in the car. You know what I mean? And they're like, yeah.

• 1:02:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:42Speaker 02

  Love.

• 1:02:43Speaker 00

  Oh my god. Okay, and then lastly, what's making you laugh these days? Like, what do you, a video, a show? A, like, is it a friend? Are you reading something? When you're like, when you're, when you need a laugh, what do you watch, read, do? Where do you go? What do you, where do you get it?

• 1:03:02Speaker 02

  Honestly, with my friends. I'm always having something to talk about. There's something going on, there's something, so I'm a real like, one of my good friends, Ian, we be laughing on the phone like nobody's business.

• 1:03:13Speaker 00

  No, see, you like to talk on the phone with Ian.

• 1:03:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's good, though.

• 1:03:16Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  And honestly, it'll be like a 10-minute, you know, it's like-

• 1:03:23Speaker 00

  Oh, that's perfect.

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  You know, it's not, we, you know, it's not hours, because we just be like, oh my god, I gotta go. And I'm like, I gotta go, and Ian, you know, I can't be on the phone too long, boom. And it's like, done. But we are like, nee, nee, nee, nee, nee.

• 1:03:33Speaker 00

  How did you guys meet?

• 1:03:34Speaker 02

  We met through my other really good friend, Courtney. And so Courtney introduced me to Ian, and Ian is just so funny.

• 1:03:40Speaker 00

  Shout out to Ian.

• 1:03:41Speaker 02

  He line dances, like, he line dances at the party, he gets us all together.

• 1:03:45Speaker 00

  Fun, he's a party pumper.

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  He is, he's so much fun. So we be cackling, feet kicked back. My sisters also make me laugh. Like, I'm so community, like, my people, like, we, we be laughing, cutting up, you know?

• 1:03:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, Kiki, it makes perfect sense because you do that for us. Like, I cannot tell you how many years, like, you know, I have the pleasure to know you now, but just before I knew you, like, you made me, you gave me such joy and you continue to do that for me all the time. You're so yourself, you're so real, you're so funny, you're so talented.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  I just love you. Like, I literally have to, I'm like so like overstimulated. I'm like hugging, holding myself, because I'm like, oh.

• 1:04:25Speaker 00

  Let's do the hundreds.

• 1:04:33Speaker 02

  You are so awesome.

• 1:04:34Speaker 00

  Thank you so much for doing this.

• 1:04:35Speaker 02

  I love you like legit.

• 1:04:36Speaker 00

  Same, right back, I mean, you're Kiki Palmer.

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  You're the best.

• 1:04:39Speaker 00

  Lauren Kiki Palmer, the talent of all talents here today. Thanks for being here. Love, love having you.

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  Yay!

• 1:04:46Speaker 00

  Oh my gosh. Thank you so much, Kiki. You are, oh god, I could've talked to you all day. You're so funny and fun to be around, and positive and interesting and the real deal. Kiki Palmer, thanks for joining us. And you know, we talked about work and we talked about rest. And for this polar plunge, I, I just wanna point everyone's attention to a very, a cool woman who speaks about rest, the seven types of rest. We mentioned her in the podcast, and she has an interesting TED Talk and, and books about just that. Her name is Dr. Sandra Dalton Smith, and her seven types of rest. And it just makes me think about, about how important it is to find ways to do that,

• 1:05:29Speaker 00

  whatever it may be, like for example, me, I don't know, going in my bedroom and sticking my feet under the mattress and putting a sweatshirt over my eyes.

• 1:05:44Speaker 00

  But, um, let's not get specific, but you know what I mean. But, uh, we, I hope that this, I hope that this episode and Good Hang episodes are a way for you to rest. And so rest away, and we will catch you next time. Thanks so much. Bye.

• 1:06:02Speaker 00

  You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paperkite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaia McMullin, and Aleia Zaneras. For Paperkite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.

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