Andrew Garfield

Andrew Garfield is a real tenderoni. Amy hangs with the movie star and talks about why Munich has the best felt, getting too intense while playing Werewolf, and whether or not he has long arms. Host: Amy PoehlerGuests: Lin-Manuel Miranda and Andrew GarfieldExecutive Producers: Bill Simmons, Amy Poehler, and Jenna Weiss-BermanFor Paper Kite Productions: Executive producer Jenna Weiss-Berman, coordinator Sam Green, and supervising producer Joel LovellFor The Ringer: Supervising producers Juliet Litman, Sean Fennessey, and Mallory Rubin; video producers Jack Wilson, Belle Roman, and Aleya Zenieris; lighting director Caroline Jannace; audio producer Kaya McMullen; social producer Bridget Geerlings; video editor Drew van Steenbergen; and bookers Kat Spillane and Paige GarbariniOriginal Music: Amy Miles Visit uber.com/safety to learn more. Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://Allstate.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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  Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We have Andrew Garfield on today. Andrew is just the best, a real tenderoni and hilarious and talented and star of film and Broadway. And we are going to get into so many things today. We're going to talk about how Munich has the best felt. We're going to talk about having that competitive spirit, especially when it comes to board games. We're going to talk about being method, but not being a jerk. And we're going to talk about his new movie, The Uprising, which is out now and looks incredible, like all of the stuff that Andrew does. So we're very, very excited to get started, but we always start our episodes by speaking to somebody who knows our guest, who has worked with our guest, has good things to

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  say about our guests behind their back. And we're going to talk to a legend, Lin-Manuel Miranda. You know him from, oh, I don't know, Hamilton and Moana and the upcoming Warriors musical and five other million things that he's won 10 EGOTs for. Lin? Hi.

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  Lin?

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  Hi.

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  Hi. I can't wait to get you into the stewed.

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  Can I tell you, I had a nightmare about that once?

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  You did?

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  I had a nightmare that like, you invited me on, but you didn't, I could tell you didn't really want me to be on, like someone had you and you were like, come in, I guess.

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  That's making me nauseous.

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  Very unenthusiastic about it. And you're like, uh, sit down, I guess. And it wasn't your usual set. It was just like some apartment where I was like, I was like a pity guest.

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  Oh, that's giving everybody the chills in here. That is a, that is a proper stress dream.

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  Woke up in a sweat. I can handle a lot of things. I cannot handle not being a good hang with you.

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  Oh, my God, I'm so sorry that I was that way in your dream in real life. And we are awake and I can't wait to get you in here. I'm such a fan of your work. Love, would love to talk to you and would be so happy to be talking to you.

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  Oh, my goodness gracious.

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  Yes, yes, yes. And so happy to be talking to you today. Where, it looks like you're in some kind of studio. There's a piano behind you.

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  Yes, we are, we are in day two of our workshop for our next musical.

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  Warriors. Come out to play.

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  That's the one. So Issa Davis and I are here in the room. There are actors learning songs in the next room.

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  There must be no better feeling than like, working with the piano and like hearing people sing in the other room and just the workshopping of it all.

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  Yeah, well, it's the, it's the thing of like, other people, you get the solitude of writing and then you also get to like, bring in a song. And then people who sing much better than you sound beautiful on it. And it's, it's, you know, I had so much fun with your episode with Groff, who is also like, one of my closest friends, because just the joy of him is like, we're in the play. We get to be in the school play and, and we're all still chasing that high.

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  Yes. Well, I feel that way, you know, about you, Lin. Like, I feel, I know that everybody that works with you feels that way. Like, you're such a collaborator. You love the process. You love making things better, you know, you know, letting the best idea win. Like, you can feel that. And also, you're a fan. Like, you've never stopped being a fan of the thing that you're doing.

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  Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, no, it's, it is. I mean, it's why I had so much fun when I was on SNL. It was, it's, it's the school play on steroids. It's like a supercharged version of the thing that got me hooked on this art form of like, we get to make it, like, and we get to make something bigger than any of us could make alone, I think is, is the big thing.

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  Yes, so well said, so well said. And, and you got to work with sweet Andrew Garfield.

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  Sweet, sweet Andrew Garfield.

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  First of all, congratulations on Tic Tic Boom. What a beautiful film.

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  It makes my life that you even know what that is and have seen it.

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  Of course. I loved the performance, loved your direction, what incredible cast. Can we talk about it just for a second? Because I know it, you know, it was, it's personal material. It's also about a person's life who, and Andrew is kind of actor who's played a lot of real people, as I've been looking at his career. And like, could you imagine even a more considerate and nicer person to like, take somebody's real life into their hands? But can you just tell me, how did you guys come together to make that? How did that, how did that happen?

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  Sure, I, um, I, you know, most of my familiarity with Andrew's work was actually theater. Like, I was lucky enough to see him in Death of a Salesman with Philip Seymour Hoffman. And he was unreal in that. And then I, I saw him in Angels in America, both parts, which is like, it's a day, it's your day. You go to the matinee to see part one, you eat dinner, you see part two, they're both three hours long. And I didn't know whether he had a musical bone in his body, but it's such an endurance test, that play. And he was so magnificent in it that I was just like, this guy can do anything.

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  I just thought, I don't know if he can sing, but I think he can do anything.

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  Yeah.

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  Andrew and I had like, exchanged an email or two in our lives. He was a fan of Hamilton. And so I, I said, can we go out to like, dinner before your performance? He was, he was doing Angels in, on Broadway at the time. And I took him out to sushi and I told him about the movie we were working on. And I said, can you sing? And he said, when are you making this? And I go, not for a year. And he goes, then I can sing.

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  Amazing.

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  I was like, oh, my God, he's going to learn.

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  Well, that, well, that's kind of like the theme of what I want to talk to him about today is like, he works very hard. He's a really hard worker and takes, I think, a lot of pride in that.

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  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. He, he wants the work. He wants the, the discipline. And like, you have to be a monk to do eight shows a week. Like, you actually have to like, know when you're eating, know exactly what you're putting in your body so that you are at your peak at 7:00 PM, 8:00 PM that night. He has played a monk. And like, live, like, lives it, like, he truly lives it.

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  And you know how I feel about Broadway? Absolutely too many shows. I, I've said this.

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  Well, to quote you in Wet Hot American Summer, theater is now and it's you.

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  That is true.

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  Which I watch maybe once a month. I watch that speech to myself.

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  Very obtuse. Yeah. Makes perfect sense. It's now and it's you.

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  I mean, you basically played me in that, me at 14 in that movie, like, guys, this is serious.

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  And then you learn, well, you learn, oh, no one wants to work with that person. Like, your job is to make the most fun room possible so that people choose doing the play over basketball, over debating. Like, no, no, actually, this is the most fun place to be, not, guys, we're going to work steps.

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  Story of my life, story of my life, which is just like, just chill out, chill out.

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  Just, just pump the brakes on whatever you're saying. Okay, so, um, do you have a question you think I should ask Andrew today? Anything, big, small?

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  Well, my, my que- yeah, my question comes with a, a story, which is that, um, you know, famously Andrew like learned to sing, like took a year and then came out on the other end and was just like an amazing singer for my movie. And there was a, a sequence we had to shoot that was a swimming pool scene. Jonathan Larson like would swim to get his ideas and he wrote this great stream of consciousness song and he gets the idea while he's doing laps. And I, you know, had three days in the actual pool Larson swam in, in the village and, uh, you know, had a stunt double for all of the like complicated underwater photography, had a special underwater photographer. And then I found out Andrew is basically Michael Phelps.

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  Like his dad is a swim instructor.

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  That's right.

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  And Andrew swam better than my stunt double. So my question is like, one, what are the other superpowers you have that a director hasn't tapped yet? And, and one, like what feels like even too much of a challenge? Like he learned to sing for me. He, Martin Scorsese like threw him into the wild. Like he's, he's really taken on some, I think he gets very excited by the challenges. Like what's one where, what's, what's something that really scares him that he would still probably do?

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  That's a great question and I think he's gonna love it because I think he's, I think he is very driven exactly by what you said, by the challenge of what to do next. And, and, uh, yeah, and I never know what he's gonna do next. It's always really interesting. I mean, his new film that's out is about a peasant revolt.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then he goes from that to Sam Altman. Like it's crazy.

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  I know, crazy.

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  Well, Lynn, I loved talking to you. I, I think we're gonna have a very good time and not a scary dream time when we see each other.

• 10:58Speaker 01

  Thank you, I appreciate that.

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  And thanks for stepping away.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Have fun with Andrew, he's a lovey, lovey, love.

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  Okay, take care, thanks again.

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  Awesome.

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  Bye.

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  Andrew Garfield is here, we're talking about smells. Do you feel like you have a delicate, do you feel like you have a sensitive nose?

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  Can you smell things? I do, I feel like I'm a super smeller. Do you not?

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  Do not.

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  I bet you, I bet you're sensitive to smells.

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  I, if I can't, if I can't deal with, smell is my number one, my number one. Sense. I'm the best at it.

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  What do you think is your best of the five senses? What is your best?

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  What's my best sense? What's my most accomplished sense?

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  We've got smell.

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  Remind me of the other.

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  Okay, we've got smell, we've got hearing.

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  Ah, yep.

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  We've got sight. We've got touch. And what's the other one? Taste!

• 12:38Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I always forget taste.

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  You got it.

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  I'm not, I'm not gonna be humble about this.

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  Don't be.

• 12:46Speaker 02

  Um, and I don't, and I don't mean to brag at the same time. I'm kind of trying to be neutral.

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  I love a brag.

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  I'd say touch.

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  Damn.

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  This is the beginning of the worst or the best date ever.

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  But touch, so do you, okay, let me ask you a touch question. Cause I enjoy, I enjoy, I enjoy, I like how things feel. Like I like the texture.

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  You're a tactile.

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  I'm a tactile person as well.

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  Yeah.

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  When you're shopping for clothes, do you do what I do, which is you just, you go like this? You just go like this? For real, if it's not soft, I'm not interested.

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  You go, you sniff it and then you touch.

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  Fabric.

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  Yeah.

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  You know what I love?

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  Yes.

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  Can I, can I tell you, can I tell you anyway?

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  Yes.

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  Felt.

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  I fucking love felt.

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  Fucking hell.

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  Hold on.

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  What do we got?

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  Hold on, stand by.

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  Let me sniff out the felt. I know where the felt is in this room. I'm like a divining rod for felt.

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  We're recording in New York, I have more felt in LA.

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  Okay.

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  But.

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  Yeah, LA is much more felt friendly.

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  This is a, this is a fake cheeseburger, open that up.

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  Oh my god.

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  This is, that's a hard felt.

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  It's a little hard, this felt. This felt is not, it's not mu- it's, it's not Munich felt. I was just in Munich.

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  Munich felt?

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  I told you I like felt.

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  Same, Mark.

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  There's a, there's a Munich, Munich is known for its felt making.

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  Whoa, cool.

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  That's all I got.

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  And it has like specific, you can tell.

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  Beautifully made felt. So I was, I was shooting in Munich. This is a great podcast story. I was shooting in Munich.

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  Yes.

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  And, uh, I didn't have much time on my hands. I was shooting like intensely, but the time I did have.

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  Yeah.

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  Was spent in the felt store.

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  Were you playing somebody who had to felt?

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  No, I was playing a peasant.

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  Right, this is this new movie, The Uprising.

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  Yeah, it's called The Uprising.

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  We wanna talk about it and I wanna talk about the fact that you are, look at you, you really do like, touch is a very important sense for, look at you touching.

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  I would never lie to you about something so vital.

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  I'm sorry, but I just wanna indulge your touch fantasy here, which is look at this.

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  What do you got?

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  Another cheeseburger.

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  This felt is too hard for me.

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  Yeah, sorry, that wasn't good.

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  Ooh.

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  Give that a squeeze.

• 15:22Speaker 02

  Oh, that's lovely.

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  That's what she said.

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  That's really lovely. I'm really glad it doesn't squeak.

• 15:27Speaker 00

  I'm glad it doesn't squeak, cause I'm an adult. You know what I mean?

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  Yeah, you're a mature lady.

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  I don't need a dog toy.

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  I don't need to get excited by sounds in the way that a dog might.

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  No, there's actually no worse feeling than when you bring home a toy for a child or a dog and you realize that it squeaks, you're like, oh fuck.

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  Fuck, why didn't I check that?

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  Yeah.

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  Um, what's cool about this?

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  Yeah.

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  What's cool about this?

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  Let me smell it while you're talking about it. We never smelled it, it's not bad. You know, sometimes you smell like, they come.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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  Okay.

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  You all know.

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  You all know.

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  You know what we're about to say.

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  You guys know how your fake cheeseburgers sometimes smell in your office?

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  You know. We, uh, Andrew Garfield is here. We're starting again.

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  That's all the time we have.

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  But you're talking about the uprising, I wanna talk to you about this because I'm, I'm obs- okay, I've been thinking about my theme for you.

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  Theme?

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  Yeah, about what to talk to you about today, cause I feel like we could talk forever and I love talking to you.

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  Me too.

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  And.

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  Same. I love this, by the way, what you're doing here is so beautiful. And I'm like, it's about time, there's another podcast.

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  Yeah, I know there wasn't enough.

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  Weirdly, people haven't.

• 16:45Speaker 00

  We have room for one more? Just one more and I was like.

• 16:49Speaker 02

  No, but like, if anyone should in this world have a, have this room.

• 16:54Speaker 00

  Thank you for that. It's really fun.

• 16:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

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  Really fun.

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  Yeah.

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  And I've been paying attention to, as I've been thinking about and prepping for today, about your work and your life and you. And I'm fascinated by your love of hard work. You just love to work hard.

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  Yeah, I do.

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  You love it.

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  You do too.

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  Yes, but not as much as I used to. I have a podcast, baby.

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  Just realizing.

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  Sitting down with a, but your, your work ethic is really something. It's, I'm, it's very admirable. I'm, I know you, you care, like your love language feels like it's like acts of service, like you do things for people, right? I got you, I got you.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  Yes, you were on, you're dead on, yeah, yeah.

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  That is how you show your passion for stuff.

• 17:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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  Your love for people.

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  Yeah.

• 17:45Speaker 00

  And how you show up in your work. And you're always working so hard and in everything you're doing, you're training, you're starving, you're learning how to sing. This new movie looks so hard.

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  Looks so cold and dirty and hard. And that's all. I just want you to just take it. I want to talk to your team.

• 18:09Speaker 02

  You want me to take it easier?

• 18:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:11Speaker 02

  What?

• 18:11Speaker 00

  No, but I'm really into your relationship to work because I think it's like, it's very admirable. And also I think it's, it's very, um, I think it's your way into stuff. Would you agree?

• 18:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, you know, I keep, because one of my favorite episodes that you've done is with Cole Escola.

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  It was just heaven. It's a heaven conversation and just the, the running bit of, I just like playing. It's all play to me. Like the play is the thing. And like honestly, I'm just like, I can never go on Amy's podcast because I will be the guy actually saying that for real.

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  I know what you mean. I know what you mean.

• 18:50Speaker 02

  It's really impossible. You guys have made it impossible to have a serious conversation about creativity.

• 18:54Speaker 00

  Okay, but I think I can speak, I know what you mean, but I think I can speak for myself and I'd like to speak for Cole.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 18:59Speaker 00

  But I'm very interested in what motivates people.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure.

• 19:03Speaker 00

  Like how people move through the world. And that's the coolest thing about these convos.

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  Yeah.

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  Were you always like a hard worker? Was, what, what, what did work look like in your house, in your family?

• 19:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, it's, yeah. Oh, boy.

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  I know, we're going to.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  No, I know. I just.

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  Do you want to hold something? Want to touch something? Want to squeeze something?

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  Is there any felt that's softer?

• 19:22Speaker 00

  There's no, no, there's no Munich felt.

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  There's no Munich felt, huh?

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  I know, it's disgusting to you.

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  Weird.

• 19:29Speaker 00

  Jenna, get the Munich felt.

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  Bring out the Munich felt, Jenna.

• 19:36Speaker 02

  I, so yes.

• 19:39Speaker 00

  You are chart. Okay, fine. I'll just ask you another question. Doesn't matter.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  No, no, I, I really love what your, um, I just unironically tucked my hair behind my ears.

• 19:48Speaker 00

  By the way, your hair is incredible.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  We're in the same position right now.

• 19:52Speaker 00

  Your hair is great.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  Propecia.

• 19:55Speaker 00

  Great. You know what? People should know that.

• 19:57Speaker 02

  I don't.

• 19:57Speaker 00

  Everyone, every man I know is on Propecia and also.

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  You just outed every single man in your life that you know, including your young nephews and sons. I don't know. Like, like every single male.

• 20:11Speaker 00

  Propecia is incredible. And thank you for saying that. You have naturally very thick hair. You always have. You have. Congrats. Incredible. And I bet you grew it like that. And you bet you don't even comb it in the morning and it looks incredible.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  I lied about Propecia. It's just all natural. I'm just trying to be relatable to other guys out there.

• 20:29Speaker 00

  But your hair looks great. But anyway, sorry. You tucked it, you tucked it behind your hair.

• 20:32Speaker 02

  I'm gonna say something controversial. Sometimes, like, sometimes people are great.

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  Do you know what I mean? Like, sometimes people are really great. And I know that's a hot take.

• 20:42Speaker 00

  That is controversial, Andrew. But that's so you. I mean, there's a, there's a, like, there's a real humanity to the stuff you do. There's also, you're just a delightful person to be around. You're real tenderoni.

• 20:55Speaker 02

  I have a tenderoni. I will co-sign that.

• 20:57Speaker 00

  You're real tenderoni.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  You're me both.

• 20:59Speaker 00

  Yes. And, and people are great. So say more.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  Some people, some human beings can, can be really wonderful and add beautiful things to the, to the earth and to the world. And I'm, I, I guess I'm curious as well about what is it that makes us feel compelled to do that? My, my mother was one of those people in every single moment of her life. I had this image of her now that she's passed, and it came very like, like a flash in a dream or like an awakening. I don't know what it was, but I had this image of her being reunited with her tribe after she passed.

• 21:43Speaker 00

  Beautiful.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  And it made sense to me why she was, she could be so hard on herself in Carnet when she was alive. I was like, oh, you knew you were meant to be in a thousand different places at once, giving goodness to people. And you knew in some unconscious way that you were being restricted by this vessel of a body, by the vessel of restriction of time and space. So when she passed, I could, I just, I don't know. Like, I don't know if you've ever had this experience with somebody who's passed, but it's like, in the first month or two, I felt more connected to her than I ever felt connected to her when she was in Carnet, when she was alive.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  Alive. Let's put it in quotation marks. I do believe that she's here right now and she's everywhere all at once. I do believe that and I have a knowing of that. So there was something about seeing, maybe seeing my mother in, in a, in a very specific kind of hard work that was so naturally occurring for her.

• 22:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:49Speaker 02

  And I was always someone, in the same way that you just did with me, I was always someone with her. I was like, just take a trip.

• 22:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:55Speaker 02

  Just relax. You're enough. You're the most beautiful angel on earth. You, you can give yourself what you give to others and, and it doesn't make you selfish. It doesn't make you any which way. But after she passed, I had this real understanding of like, oh no, that was just inherently who she, I don't know whether it was nurture or, I have no idea, but it was just the, the activating, the animating spirit of her.

• 23:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  Of her essential nature, of her essential being. And, and I, I guess you could call that hard work or you could, or you could, I don't know. There's, there's something otherworldly about it. As I say, after she passed, I was like, oh, she is back. She's actually back.

• 23:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:39Speaker 02

  She's back where she's meant to be, running around with her like good angel brigade, like giving people who need a miracle, a miracle, like times a million. I could, I could just feel it. And I was just one of the people that she was hanging out with.

• 23:52Speaker 00

  Beautiful. I mean, the idea that her spirit and one spirit can be kind of like released once they leave their, their body. Just that idea that somebody is bigger than their body.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 24:05Speaker 00

  And that's so interesting that you talk about your mom when I ask you that question because there is something in your work that feels really not only curious, but very unbridled. Like you like to kind of go, go places. As I'm trying to like psychoanalyze, and again, I am no therapist, but I do feel like I am. And that's what this podcast is about.

• 24:29Speaker 02

  Again, she says again.

• 24:30Speaker 00

  And I will give you a prescription at the end of this. No, but I think it's also very interesting that you tog, even though you're, you're British in many ways, you were born in the US and you tog, like I find you toggle back and forth between those things culturally very easy. And I had a question for you, which is, what do you think is the most American thing about you?

• 24:53Speaker 02

  My love of hamburgers. Like I love hamburgers.

• 24:57Speaker 00

  You have very youthful energy as a person. You're a little brother.

• 25:02Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 25:02Speaker 00

  You're a little brother. And your older brother is a doctor.

• 25:04Speaker 02

  He's a doctor, heart and lung doctor in London. Yeah. Yeah. The, the good, the good son.

• 25:09Speaker 00

  The good, yeah.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  He's the one that made good.

• 25:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  He made good.

• 25:12Speaker 00

  Well, did he always, was he always?

• 25:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was head boy at school. He was catching the swimming team. Fucking son of a bitch. He was a son of a bitch.

• 25:19Speaker 00

  How many years older than you?

• 25:20Speaker 02

  Three years older. Yeah. Yeah. I was fucked. I was fucked from day one. And he gave me meningitis day two of my life.

• 25:26Speaker 00

  Oh, he gave?

• 25:27Speaker 02

  He brings home meningitis.

• 25:29Speaker 00

  And then he became a doctor to heal you from it.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  You really should prescribe at the end of this. And, and yeah, I, I, I think like being raised in a competitive household is definitely a part, in, in like the nuts and bolts of like the therapy, it would be like, yeah, we don't feel enough. The Garfield men. There is a kind of.

• 25:48Speaker 00

  But competition is, sometimes gets a bad rap. I love competition.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  I love games. I love, I fucking.

• 25:55Speaker 00

  What kind of game player are you? You know what I mean? Like, do you get too intense?

• 25:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 25:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, me too.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  I think you would have to ask my friends this, but I would say I do, I, I have, I, I can upset people.

• 26:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, I have as well. I, I work on it because obviously like everyone wants to have a good time. But when people say things like, I know, when people say things like, who really cares? I'm like, what are we doing? What do you mean? Like, we're playing a game. Like we have to try to win as best we can.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  Otherwise you're ruining the game.

• 26:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  Anyone who like says, yeah, I'll play and then it's like, ooh.

• 26:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, like this is so stupid. It's like.

• 26:29Speaker 02

  Don't fucking play.

• 26:30Speaker 00

  Don't fucking play.

• 26:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, don't show up.

• 26:32Speaker 00

  And, and also I'm treating you, I, I, I'm being rough on you because I believe in you.

• 26:37Speaker 02

  And I love you. Yeah, for sure.

• 26:39Speaker 00

  I mean, I expect the best from you.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I want, I want you to grow.

• 26:45Speaker 00

  I want you to grow at, at celebrity or whatever we're playing.

• 26:48Speaker 02

  Traitors, werewolf.

• 26:50Speaker 00

  Okay. Do you like playing mafia?

• 26:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I play with werewolf is the version I play. Yeah.

• 26:53Speaker 00

  I'm not, I'm.

• 26:55Speaker 02

  I'm bad at being the werewolf.

• 26:57Speaker 00

  Dude, me too. I'm, I hate it. And when I get it, I'm like, oh, fuck, I'm not.

• 27:00Speaker 02

  I know. I hate it.

• 27:01Speaker 00

  I hate it. I hate, I hate the like lying. I hate the.

• 27:04Speaker 02

  A deception, I know.

• 27:05Speaker 00

  I know. And I bet I love accusing.

• 27:07Speaker 02

  Yes, of course. John Proctoring. And also defending oneself.

• 27:12Speaker 00

  Of course. Being like, how dare you think that I'm the.

• 27:15Speaker 02

  It's my name. You could not take my name. And everyone's just like, drinking their beers and just like wanting to go to the bathroom. Like thou shalt not.

• 27:27Speaker 00

  Okay. So, but let's get in, I do, I do want to ask you a couple of questions about your work. Okay? I have to.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 27:35Speaker 00

  Your first film, you're with Meryl Streep, Cruz and Robert Redford.

• 27:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:40Speaker 00

  How old are you then?

• 27:41Speaker 02

  I'm 23, I want to say.

• 27:43Speaker 00

  So you're coming onto that set. Like, and we all, you know, you have the, everyone has the jitters of like any first day on any job.

• 27:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:51Speaker 00

  Like, I'm just gonna be cool. I'm just like, hi. I'm gonna, just don't talk too much. Like, that's what I would say, you know, to myself.

• 27:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 27:58Speaker 00

  Just listen more than you talk and just, they'll get to know you. You know, whatever you're saying to yourself, what, as you're driving to set or whatever, what are you saying to yourself when you're approaching that set? That's a really intimidating set. That's so intimidating.

• 28:11Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 28:12Speaker 00

  What was it like to work with Robert Redford?

• 28:14Speaker 02

  I don't know. I was telling myself, I, I, so first of all, Bob Redford, God rest his beautiful soul of service. That man had a soul for service. Like, what he did with Sundance and like, and what that sprung from, came out, it came out of him, I think, helping out his new neighbor in Utah, who was about to be foreclosed on. He's, I'll buy your farm so you can keep it. I'm gonna have to make some, some money out of it and we'll set up like a lab for young filmmakers. So it came out of him helping out his neighbor. It's just like, he was, he was a beautiful, beautiful man. And very late all the time to everything. So I say it with love. So I'm like, I'm like, yeah, terrified and nervous and pinching myself.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  And then Bob is four hours late and it's just like, by that time, I'm just pissed. I'm just angry.

• 29:07Speaker 00

  Okay, let's talk about this.

• 29:09Speaker 02

  No, it wasn't.

• 29:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, but right, so you're-

• 29:11Speaker 02

  But, but a lot of the nerves had kind of dissipated. Cause, cause he was so loose and casual and he's, and he's so, he was so cool and he, he still dressed like he was in his twenties with the double denim and he was, and he, and he wasn't aware that he was late. He was just like on his own Redford time.

• 29:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  And he was famously like, I'm not like telling tales out of school.

• 29:32Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 29:32Speaker 02

  He was like a famously late person.

• 29:35Speaker 00

  Well, God is fair. I mean, you know, like, he's so handsome, like, there's gotta be something wrong with him.

• 29:40Speaker 00

  What if he was like on time all along? Like, okay, great. So he's late, like, you're gonna be a little annoyed with the guy. So he's late. He's like, I'm, I was too handsome, I couldn't get in my car.

• 29:52Speaker 02

  I felt guilty.

• 29:53Speaker 00

  So you were feeling less nervous. It helped.

• 29:56Speaker 02

  And, and, well, he was so relaxed.

• 29:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  He was so relaxed and, and, and he would shoot him, his own coverage first. He would shoot himself and then he would look at me after his first take and he'd be like, what do you think? Cause he was directing as well, so all my scenes were with him. And he was like, what do you think? And I was like, I'm good. It's great.

• 30:16Speaker 00

  Really good.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  He's really good, Robert Redford. And he was like, okay.

• 30:19Speaker 00

  Oh, that's really generous.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  I'll do it again, I'll do it again. And then, but yeah, tell me if you think, if you see anything that you think. And I'm like, oh, my gosh.

• 30:25Speaker 00

  Oh, that's a really interesting move, right?

• 30:26Speaker 02

  It was heaven.

• 30:27Speaker 00

  Cause he's trying to like-

• 30:28Speaker 02

  Just make me feel like it was my set and make me feel like I was an equal and like, he knew it was my first movie.

• 30:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's very nice.

• 30:36Speaker 02

  Oh, he was so nice. He was so beautiful. And we, and it was like a theater play and I'd done only theater at that point. It was a lot of dialogue and it was like a-

• 30:43Speaker 00

  Well, you are a theater, you're a theater boy.

• 30:46Speaker 02

  I love theater.

• 30:47Speaker 00

  That is your first love.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  That is my first, like, love out, it was like, that was like my first exit of The Truman Show. You know what I mean? Like, like opening that door in the sky and then it was like, there's a whole world out there that I had no idea existed.

• 31:02Speaker 00

  When you were working on that film, were you still working at Starbucks?

• 31:05Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 31:06Speaker 00

  You had quit Starbucks.

• 31:07Speaker 02

  I had quit Starbucks.

• 31:10Speaker 00

  No, because there is always this weird thing sometimes when you're acting-

• 31:13Speaker 02

  No, I wasn't ready to fully let go of it. I wasn't like, you know, I'm not gonna say that that's, that era is over.

• 31:17Speaker 00

  Right?

• 31:18Speaker 02

  I, I had a little bit of a shock straight out of drama school. Like, I, I did two plays in a row and then I, I was like, I'm set. And I did like a Doritos commercial in Spain.

• 31:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:27Speaker 02

  And I'm like, that's that.

• 31:29Speaker 00

  I guess, wrap it up, fellas.

• 31:31Speaker 02

  Like, stand on that, wrap it up. Like, that's my, like, that's gonna, that's my, kind of like, the rest of my life is gonna be the occasional Doritos, like, crisp commercial and, and great theater work. I'm, I'm good.

• 31:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:43Speaker 02

  Um, and then I didn't work for a year. And then I started having to wait tables again and be a bartender and I, I broke up with my girlfriend at the time. So it was like a really great year of, you know, you're never safe. Like, you're, you're like this destabilized kind of place. And I still have it. I, I'm sure that you do too, even at the top of this swanky building or not. You're like, no, I'm pretty much set.

• 32:08Speaker 00

  No, you know, it's funny, it's funny you say that. I know what you mean. Like, I still just feel like you have to have a plan always, just if everything goes away.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. What's yours?

• 32:19Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, it's funny, I, I still have dreams sometimes about going back being a waitress because I liked, I liked waiting tables a lot.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:31Speaker 00

  Because working in the service industry in general, I liked a lot because there was just certain things that felt like you just completed your night. Like, your night had a system and you completed it. You interacted with people enough that you performed a little bit. You were with people who worked, also worked very hard. But the idea of like doing a good job still means a lot to me. I know it means a lot to you. It's, I get a lot of self-esteem from work.

• 32:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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• 35:42Speaker 00

  Do you consider yourself a method actor?

• 35:45Speaker 02

  So the method-

• 35:50Speaker 00

  And if so, who am I speaking to?

• 35:55Speaker 00

  But it, but it's like, but it, but, cause it is, you do, you do go pretty deep in, when you're playing catch, you do.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  You got that tricks to look in your eye. You're looking for the clickbait headline. You're like, is he gonna give me the juice?

• 36:09Speaker 00

  Babe, you lost all this weight. You studied for a year being a monk.

• 36:16Speaker 00

  You go for it. You go for it. Are you method?

• 36:20Speaker 02

  Are you method? Answer the question. Are you method? So yes or no question?

• 36:26Speaker 00

  I mean. Are you though?

• 36:31Speaker 02

  Don't try and get cute with it.

• 36:33Speaker 00

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  You mean, are you?

• 36:35Speaker 00

  But are you though?

• 36:35Speaker 02

  No, but I wanna know.

• 36:38Speaker 02

  In a way, yes, but I think, yeah. But I think, I think the term has been massively miscarritized, misunderstood and co-opted by people that don't know. A method is basically having a method. And, and like the Stanislavski method, the Strasberg method, is about trying to live truthfully under imagined circumstances. And, and, and having it feel personal, having it feel connected to something that's interior, that is not just a kind of more performative exterior abstraction. So, so I feel like, yes, but, but I don't.

• 37:21Speaker 02

  I, I think there's a way of doing it that's generous. I think there's a way of accessing that work and that style of working that doesn't fuck with the rest of the cast, that doesn't fuck with the rest of the crew, that you don't have to lose a bunch of weight, da, da, da, da, da.

• 37:34Speaker 00

  That's playful.

• 37:35Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, yeah.

• 37:37Speaker 00

  That's playful.

• 37:37Speaker 02

  Totally, and, and generous. Like, and, and I, my personal taste and my personal, Sidney Lumet, the great, one of my favorite filmmakers of all time, who, who, who seems to vanish as a director in his movies in the sense that like, he let his movies be the movies rather than letting people know that he directed them.

• 37:57Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Like, every movie is such a different flavor, such a different feel.

• 38:01Speaker 00

  Alan Parker is like that too for me.

• 38:02Speaker 02

  Alan Parker, exactly. I was thinking about Alan, but, and, and so very, one of my favorite films of all time, Bugsy Malone, Alan Parker. And then he does Angel Heart?

• 38:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  Holy fuck, you know? And, and so, so, so he says in his great little book, Making Movies, I don't know if you've read, he tells, he tells a story about Paul Newman, I think. Where, yeah, he tells a story about Paul Newman in, what was the movie they made together? It'll Come Back. But he's like, Paul Newman came with, and he did this scene, and Lumet was like, okay, I think we're gonna reshoot this tomorrow because I think you need, you need to find out what this scene's about inside yourself. And he comes about the next, and, and, and there was something very personal that he was referring to. He was like, I think you know what this moment is and I think you're resisting going there. And Paul Newman came back and he did the scene and it was like one of the great, you know, scenes of any Sidney Lumet movie.

• 38:54Speaker 02

  And he describes it as personal revelation. Sidney Lumet is like, the actor's job is personal revelation. While the cameras are rolling. The actors that I respond to and the storytelling that I respond to feels like personal revelation.

• 39:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:08Speaker 02

  And, and through, through the lens of a, of a character, I think about like, and I've talked about this openly, about Tic Tic Boom, which is a film that I'm very proud of and I really love.

• 39:17Speaker 00

  Beautiful performance.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  And I can feel, thanks. And I, and I just, but I, I can talk about it because it feels very personal and also not personal at all in a way. It does feel like that kind of liminal place of, of letting another spirit move through, intermingling with my own spirit, but also my mother's spirit is so much in that film. But, but it was very, very personal because I just lost my mom and we were making this movie. And it's about the shortness of life. It's about the shortness, the sacredness of life. It's about being of service. It's about living out your own calling, your own destiny. In a way, and we're talking about waiting tables and that year off. Like, like, how, how do you, how do you hang on,

• 40:01Speaker 02

  by hook or by crook, to the note that you hear in your head that you have to follow? Like, how do you play your note? How do you, how do you not fall asleep to your note? Even though you're a salmon swimming upstream of a, of a world telling you to, to, to drop it and, and take the nine to five or whatever it is?

• 40:20Speaker 00

  You mentioned directors. You've worked with really interesting directors. You always do. I, I have a question that I, I wanna ask. Fincher is one of my favorite directors. He's, I love his films. Rashida was in Social Network. I know, and I always, and I was like, what was it like working with David Fincher? Like, and she's, he's so incredible to work with. But I really wanna know genuinely and, and not, I'm not like digging for some. I wanna know, what does the many, many takes do? How does it help you as an actor? How does it, does it, how is it not frustrating? Or like?

• 40:57Speaker 02

  Can be.

• 40:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. Is it, like, I, I.

• 41:00Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 41:00Speaker 00

  You love it.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  Fucking love it. Because I love acting and I love hard work. And I love sports. And I love, and I love not going home.

• 41:10Speaker 00

  Right.

• 41:11Speaker 02

  With anything left to give. And yeah, there's nothing worse, as you know, than going home going, I could have done that better.

• 41:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:18Speaker 02

  It sucks to feel it, to feel like you're in bed and you're just like ruminating of like.

• 41:23Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  I, I was, I, my father put me through drama school. He worked so hard. And now I've just done like a half job at like this, this thing that I'm so lucky to do. And so, yeah, I, I, I love it. And also, I find it pleasure, I just find the work really deeply pleasurable.

• 41:43Speaker 00

  But I love positive reinforcement. I do. I, I genuinely do. It works on me. Like, I don't, I don't, the challenger in me. I, what I'm, I'm relating to is the competitiveness of like tapping into like, fuck yeah, I'll do this fucking 30 times. I don't give a shit. I can tap into that. But I need sometimes, like, I don't like, and I'm sure David isn't like this, but, but I, I, I don't do well when I, like, like when someone's nagging me. Like, I just kinda quit.

• 42:13Speaker 02

  To use the phrase from the pick-up artist.

• 42:16Speaker 00

  Are you talking about mystery?

• 42:17Speaker 02

  I'm talking about mystery. Sorry, just a quick sidebar. Shout out to mystery.

• 42:21Speaker 00

  Shout out to mystery, mystery.

• 42:22Speaker 02

  We miss you guys.

• 42:24Speaker 00

  Mystery.

• 42:24Speaker 02

  We miss you so much.

• 42:26Speaker 00

  That doesn't mean that you can't find love.

• 42:29Speaker 00

  Obsessed with the pick-up artist.

• 42:30Speaker 02

  She didn't love the nagging though.

• 42:32Speaker 00

  I, it does not work on me. Like, when someone comes up and like, you know, like, hey, you're ugly, whatever. I'm like, okay. Like, it just, like, why are you so ugly at this bar? Whenever that, I, it does.

• 42:45Speaker 00

  I'm not even good at pretending to do it. I just, I'm like, huh? It does not work on me. It does not work on me. But like even in exercise class, right? If someone's like, you're gonna work super hard in here and like, you know, and I'm just like, no, I'm not.

• 42:59Speaker 02

  Not anymore, I'm not.

• 43:00Speaker 00

  Not anymore.

• 43:01Speaker 02

  You could have had me. You could have had all this.

• 43:03Speaker 00

  But when someone's like, you got here no matter what. It's 7:00 AM, like, I'm like, fuck, yeah. I, I'm just telling from me, from me. So in any of those repetitive takes, whether it's with David or another director, do you like, do you trust when you get positive feedback?

• 43:21Speaker 02

  With David, I do.

• 43:22Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  I did.

• 43:23Speaker 00

  And you, he would give it?

• 43:24Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 43:24Speaker 00

  Okay, good, okay.

• 43:26Speaker 02

  But, but what's so cool about David is that he's that, he's that dad. You know, he's that dad that like knows that you need that. And, and, and he'll, and he'll give it to you in abundance when you've like, when you've really shown how much you care. It's, it's that kinda coach.

• 43:44Speaker 00

  Right.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  But I, I love a sports coach like that. Like, like, like Paul Greengrass on, on, on the film, The Uprising, is like that. He's like incredible team captain. He's just like, he's just like, if, we, we were like a football team, English football team. And he was our, he was our man. And, and, and, and, and he, he was so full of beautiful positive reinforcement. David would be, Fincher would be less quick with it for sure. But when you got it, it was like,

• 44:15Speaker 02

  that you, you'd be stoic about, you would receive it and you would wanna cry, but you would be like, thanks, yes, cool. It was like that level of like, it meant so much. And, and the big scene with like the smashing of the laptop thing in that movie.

• 44:26Speaker 00

  Yes, and the social network, for anyone who doesn't know what we're talking about.

• 44:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, social network. And we did a lot of takes of it. And I, there was like a few rounds of takes where I was like, he's gonna call it, he's gonna, he's gonna call it soon. He's gonna call, say, okay, one more time, Andrew. And I'm like, okay.

• 44:42Speaker 00

  Oh, wow, yeah.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  And then on the third round of 10 or 15 takes, I didn't hear anything. I was just like on the floor with like, I was exhausted and like, just like snotty and just like crying. And I'm just like waiting for like, and at that point, you're, you're broken in a way that's like so beautiful.

• 45:03Speaker 00

  Beautiful?

• 45:04Speaker 02

  So beautiful. It's the best fucking feeling in the world, Amy. It's the best fucking feeling in the world.

• 45:10Speaker 00

  Okay, you said so.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  And I just feel like a shadow approaching, like covering like the light that was on me just gets like kind of covered by a figure and I look at his shoes and I look up and he looks down at me, he just puts his hand down and he takes my hand and he shakes my hand and he lifts me up and he's like, okay, moving on. And I'm like.

• 45:35Speaker 00

  So withholding.

• 45:37Speaker 02

  So hot.

• 45:42Speaker 00

  I don't know. You have, you have, I'm sorry, but you haven't sold me. You haven't sold me.

• 45:47Speaker 02

  Let me tell you a different story.

• 45:48Speaker 00

  Because I would have liked him at take 10 to say, you're doing a great job.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  Hey babe.

• 45:53Speaker 00

  Hey babe, you're doing great.

• 45:54Speaker 02

  Hey babe, you're doing so great.

• 45:55Speaker 00

  I would have liked, this is what I would have liked. You're doing great, but you know me, I have to do 25 more. That's what I would have liked.

• 46:02Speaker 02

  I feel you. Well, let me say one more thing about David because I feel like I need to protect David as a father on set now. You can feel that he's proud of you.

• 46:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:12Speaker 02

  Because of what you're given.

• 46:13Speaker 00

  He's such a talented director.

• 46:14Speaker 02

  But you can feel it. It's not withholding. It's like, it's like, it's not like you're doing a bad job. And it's not like I'm not going to give you the banana. It's like, it's like, you can feel when he's like, he's like, we're gonna keep going, we'll do another one. Think about this, think about that. He's a tender, tender guy. He really, really is.

• 46:33Speaker 00

  Getting back to the very beginning of what we're talking about is this idea that caring about something is, is this like very important and I'll self-reveal because you're, you're really doing it. You're really, you're really acting like my therapist today, which I don't appreciate.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  I'm sorry.

• 46:51Speaker 00

  Which I don't appreciate.

• 46:52Speaker 02

  I'm honestly sorry.

• 46:53Speaker 00

  Okay. You're my David Fincher and you're breaking me down. No, but, but when I feel like, if I've checked out or I like feel like I am acting like I don't care about something, it really means that I've divested. And it's a bummer because it means that I've lost some kind of relationship. Sometimes you have to do it to protect yourself. Sometimes you do it because you don't have anything left to give. Sometimes you do it because you don't feel like the person that you're with, I don't know, earned or deserves or can hold it. Yep. All that. But you feel like you've lost something like in that.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  It's heartbreaking.

• 47:30Speaker 00

  It is. And you are very, very, as a person, as an actor, you really invest. And it's, and it's like, it must be.

• 47:39Speaker 02

  Exhausting.

• 47:40Speaker 00

  It must be exhausting. That's why I think you need to take a break from some of these movies.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  I'm gonna take a break. No, I am gonna take a break.

• 47:47Speaker 00

  They're too hard.

• 47:47Speaker 02

  I was too hard. It's too hard being an actor. Being an actor is so.

• 47:51Speaker 00

  Did you see Cole? Cole knows. It's very hard.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  Pretending to be things? Pretending to be in a peasant's revolt?

• 47:59Speaker 02

  It's hard.

• 48:00Speaker 00

  It's hard.

• 48:01Speaker 02

  Pretending to be a German magician?

• 48:03Speaker 00

  I go home at night, I'm like, owie.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  I had to pretend it was cold. It was actually hot.

• 48:09Speaker 00

  So, and then.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  And then.

• 48:11Speaker 00

  And then.

• 48:15Speaker 00

  But wait, I do want to, I want to, okay.

• 48:19Speaker 02

  Seriously, whatever, whatever you want to ask.

• 48:21Speaker 00

  Well, you know what? I love, I love your, your, hold on.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  This is an SNL sketch. This is an SNL character?

• 48:34Speaker 00

  I'm trying to be, I'm trying to be real.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  Was it you and Fred Armisen or was it Kirsten Wig that was like, that would start a sentence and then like never finish the sentence?

• 48:40Speaker 00

  Yes, Fred. They played Garth and Cat.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  So good. I love that sketch.

• 48:46Speaker 00

  Sorry, Fred played a character called Nicholas Fane.

• 48:49Speaker 02

  Have you ever, let me ask you this. Has it ever been a, okay, say you're in, it's summertime. It's summer, Oregon. But there's a dog. Do you have a dog? Wait, dogs or cats?

• 49:04Speaker 00

  And I've already told you that, or I said on that podcast, the, when he would do it, the cue cards would be blank. You hosted SNL, right?

• 49:13Speaker 02

  I did it once. Yeah.

• 49:14Speaker 00

  And did you have a good time doing it?

• 49:15Speaker 02

  I loved it. I absolutely loved it. And of course, I was so scared. But again, like service, like I think the best episodes are when the host.

• 49:23Speaker 00

  Totally.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  Supports the cast.

• 49:25Speaker 00

  Well, that's not always like an intuitive thing, which I understand, but like, nobody really pulls anybody aside to say like, I know this might feel weird, but you'll have the best time if you say yes to the stuff that like the cast likes and that, you know, like if you just like become an ensemble member, you'll have the best time. But it's not always set up like that. But did you host it for Spider-Man? Was it during Spider-Man?

• 49:49Speaker 02

  I think it was the second Spider-Man, yeah.

• 49:50Speaker 00

  I had Tom Holland in here.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  Sweet.

• 49:53Speaker 00

  Oh my God.

• 49:54Speaker 02

  Sweetie pie.

• 49:54Speaker 00

  What a sweetie pie. Such a doll. And such a talented actor.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  So talented.

• 50:00Speaker 00

  And I, I just have to say, I love how all of you guys like show up for each other. You talk about each other. You talk about your experience.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  It's a brotherhood now, which is really, really great. Like, I think like doing, doing the one where we're all together really cemented some kind of weird brotherhood that was just beautiful. And I had known Toby a little bit before, but he was always my, you know, my north star with that character that like, and, and I, and I loved what Tom's done. And I think that was very healing for all of us to do that together and to feel less alone in that very, very weird singular experience. Like to be a part of this character's legacy that is maybe, I don't know, arguably one of, if not the most popular fictional character in the history of like modern fiction.

• 50:49Speaker 00

  Really, really true.

• 50:50Speaker 02

  I don't know another character that is that beloved around the world.

• 50:55Speaker 00

  And now, you know, mother of boys. I didn't really.

• 50:57Speaker 02

  How old are your boys?

• 50:57Speaker 00

  They're now 16 and almost 18.

• 51:00Speaker 02

  And the propitious is helping?

• 51:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's helping a lot. Yeah, I insisted they get on it.

• 51:04Speaker 02

  Really? Like, like a lot of hair now?

• 51:06Speaker 00

  Mommy loves a good head of hair.

• 51:08Speaker 02

  Mammy, mammy, mammy.

• 51:10Speaker 00

  You know, mother won't be, mother will be disappointed. That's what I say. I wake them up and I say, has your hair grown? Mother's disappointed. Have you seen Andrew's hair? I say, don't let mother down. That's what I say every day when I close the door. But they, but they, the way in which when that character was introduced into their lives, the way they embodied him, like they, their bodies want to, it's really wild. It's so Joseph Gamble primitive stuff.

• 51:48Speaker 02

  That's so interestingly put. That's really interesting.

• 51:51Speaker 00

  They want to get in that crouch.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 51:54Speaker 00

  And they want to leap. And it's so fun with those kinds of films where you watch people come out of the film and they're just moving like dancers to like, it's so cool. And I just want to talk about Sally Field.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  Oh my God. Yeah, let's do that.

• 52:08Speaker 00

  Isn't she?

• 52:10Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 52:11Speaker 00

  She's so good at acting.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  She's one of the best.

• 52:14Speaker 00

  She's so, she really is.

• 52:15Speaker 02

  She's maybe one of the best.

• 52:16Speaker 00

  You've worked with some amazing women.

• 52:18Speaker 02

  Fucking hell.

• 52:19Speaker 00

  And congratulations. You seem to really love women and everybody can tell.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  Thank God.

• 52:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, women love you and, and they, and you can tell. And Sally is, I don't know, I just, what was it like to work with her? What is she like to be around?

• 52:34Speaker 02

  She's one of the great people alive, or dead for that matter. But she's, she's so weirdly still humble. It's a weird thing. Like, I would say she has legend status. She's like icon legend status as a performer, as an actor, as a person. And somehow she's retained a kind of homespun, grounded, again, in the same way that Redford made me relax. Like Sally is someone that you just feel like you're with the best friend aunt you

• 53:17Speaker 02

  could ever wish for. I was thinking about this the other day, actually. I think one of the great highlights and privileges of my life was to be able to give her a lifetime achievement award at the SAG Awards a few years ago.

• 53:27Speaker 00

  That was so great.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  I felt so lucky. I almost said no because I just didn't think that I could handle it because it was so, it was such an honor because she is so beloved and rightly so. And she's so beautifully extraordinary and ordinary. Like she honors her ordinariness in such an inspiring, I really can't believe I can even talk about her in this fashion.

• 53:51Speaker 00

  It's so funny you say that. She's so, so, so talented. And she's probably her and Meryl, probably the two most influential actresses for me growing up. But she never felt above or below us ever. She never put herself that way.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  One up, one down. No, no, no. It was always just like, just, just her.

• 54:14Speaker 00

  There's a million people that would have wanted to talk to me today about you.

• 54:18Speaker 02

  I know about this part of your thing. I'm nervous. I'm like, excited and nervous and you've got someone to come and say something?

• 54:25Speaker 00

  You have so many friends, you have so many talented friends and they all love you and they all want to, they, it's, you know, it is, it's a really, you should know that it's a really nice thing when you have a guest on and there's like so many people that would want to speak well behind your back.

• 54:39Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 54:39Speaker 00

  But we talked today to Lin-Manuel Miranda. And he talked about the process, you know, of, of working with you and, and how, you know, when he said, you know, can you say, and you know, and you were like, when are you gonna make this? And he was like, in a year. And you were like, yes. Which is amazing. I love that. And that is, now knowing a little bit more about your competitive spirit, I understand that, which is like, I can do it, coach. Yes, yes. So true. His question was, he just spoke a little bit about how, what a good swim are you are and how he didn't know that. And, and he called you the Michael Phelps of.

• 55:17Speaker 02

  Acting.

• 55:20Speaker 00

  Which, you know, not that big of a deal.

• 55:22Speaker 02

  A lot of competition there. No. Who would that be? Me and who else?

• 55:27Speaker 00

  Do you swim a lot? Do you like to swim?

• 55:29Speaker 02

  I still swim. Yeah, I still swim. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 55:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, because I.

• 55:31Speaker 02

  I surf now. It's translated. Yeah, it's like my gymnastics, I was a gymnast when I was a kid. That translated into like, you know, Spider-Man stuff.

• 55:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:41Speaker 02

  I took all of the stuff that my dad was trying to like discipline me with and I turned into something like a funner version of those things. Like with swimming, it was like up at 5:00 AM. You know, swimmers like they, they, they train. It's crazy.

• 55:52Speaker 00

  I know.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  So I turned that into surfing. So like my paddle is pretty strong and I can, yeah. So I like, so I surf more than I swim. But I swim, I don't, I don't really swim swim anymore. I'll do like open water swimming and swimming in the sea and like swimming in ponds and like natural places.

• 56:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. Do you have long arms?

• 56:10Speaker 02

  I don't think that's in your business.

• 56:14Speaker 00

  Fine, well, I'm not gonna tell you what Lynn said.

• 56:16Speaker 02

  I know that your least strong sense is your vision, but you could have made an effort to just look at the arms.

• 56:23Speaker 00

  I'm just, I'm like, do you have long arms?

• 56:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, long arms.

• 56:26Speaker 00

  Um, okay.

• 56:27Speaker 02

  Can you clear something up for me? It's just been bugging me this whole time.

• 56:30Speaker 00

  I'm like, let me see.

• 56:30Speaker 02

  Are your arms long or are they short? They meet, where are they in the spectrum?

• 56:33Speaker 00

  Come closer to me, I need to smell and see if your arms are long. Okay, but he said, he said, um, first of all, he was like, tell, ask Andrew what.

• 56:44Speaker 00

  He said.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  The only way is like Columbo with his.

• 56:48Speaker 00

  Oh, my God.

• 56:49Speaker 02

  The only way I can figure out.

• 56:50Speaker 00

  Oh, that's a good Peter Falk. Peter Falk, me and him have the same birthday, not your brother.

• 56:55Speaker 02

  Let me smell, just one more thing. Then one more thing, let me smell your arms.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  Just because the murderer had a particularly long swimmer's arms. I don't know, I just, not wearing my glasses.

• 57:11Speaker 02

  But my nose is strong, so I'd like to just, ah, never mind, I'm out. Now, one more thing.

• 57:18Speaker 00

  One more thing, can I smell your arm? This one even smells like chlorine. Have you been in the pool? Oh, shit. God, Peter Falk.

• 57:29Speaker 02

  Fucking Peter Falk.

• 57:30Speaker 00

  You guys remember Peter Falk, right? If you, anyone under the age of 50? Columbo, god damn it. Love Columbo so much. But so Lynn, Lynn's question for you was, um, what other secret? You know, he had a two parter. First was like, what other secret? What other secret thing are you good at that we don't know yet? I know. He's like, tell us now, so a director can, a director can know. But he basically was basically saying like, you know, does anything feel like too much of a challenge? You do a lot of, you, you really take on a lot of challenges for the work that you do. Your, your game.

• 58:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's a cool question. It's a question that I've been asking myself.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  You know, you know what I'm really scared of?

• 58:15Speaker 00

  Yeah?

• 58:16Speaker 02

  I'm gonna tell you anyway. Being a, being a dad scares the shit out of me. It scares me so much.

• 58:27Speaker 00

  You're gonna be so great. Don't even worry about it.

• 58:34Speaker 00

  Seriously, even if you gave 50.

• 58:37Speaker 02

  Mommy's proud of my hair, is that what you're saying?

• 58:39Speaker 00

  Mother is proud.

• 58:40Speaker 02

  Mother is proud.

• 58:41Speaker 00

  Mother is proud.

• 58:41Speaker 02

  Look at all that.

• 58:42Speaker 00

  If you're gonna be, the fact, Andrew, that you even say it.

• 58:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, I mean, I think that, that would be the biggest, most important thing I ever probably do.

• 58:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:54Speaker 02

  And I, and I, I know that to be true. It makes me wanna cry thinking about it.

• 58:59Speaker 00

  Cry, cry, cry, cry. I love when boys cry on here. Cry, cry, cry. Talk about being a dad.

• 59:07Speaker 02

  It's like, fuck, man.

• 59:09Speaker 00

  Yes, you'd be so good.

• 59:11Speaker 02

  I know what it's like to be on the other end of it, you know?

• 59:13Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? I've been a child.

• 59:15Speaker 00

  I know, it's really, it's.

• 59:16Speaker 02

  I've been a son.

• 59:17Speaker 00

  Yes, we, we have all been born from dads and sometimes not, right?

• 59:22Speaker 02

  Right, I don't know.

• 59:23Speaker 00

  Well.

• 59:24Speaker 02

  Don't cancel us.

• 59:25Speaker 00

  Don't get, I'm sorry. We all, we're all born however we want.

• 59:30Speaker 00

  Fuck.

• 59:36Speaker 00

  Wait, but get, let's get back to you crying.

• 59:41Speaker 00

  But you're gonna be such a good dad.

• 59:44Speaker 00

  You're gonna nail it.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  I wanna do it, I do wanna do it and I, and I, and I, it kinda, you can sometimes feel a bit selfish with, I wanna be a dad. Well, I don't know, I don't know. So I, so I'm, the, in terms of a challenge, I can't imagine a greater, a greater challenge than taking that kind of responsibility. And then there was another question about stuff I'm good at.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  I, sad, I'll, I'll respond in a sad way.

• 1:00:09Speaker 00

  Always.

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  And it relates back to the body failing.

• 1:00:18Speaker 00

  Oh, my God, what are you gonna say?

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  Gonna grab some felt.

• 1:00:21Speaker 00

  Just grab something.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  Get that felt back in my hand.

• 1:00:24Speaker 00

  Sweet felt. Let's do a little, yeah.

• 1:00:27Speaker 02

  I, um, I was playing basketball recently. I love basketball and I thought, I think I'm pretty good at basketball.

• 1:00:36Speaker 00

  I have a theory about this.

• 1:00:41Speaker 00

  I think the worst injuries happen with men in their 40s when they play basketball.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  It's, it's a theory that's backed up with a lot of evidence.

• 1:00:51Speaker 00

  Go ahead, what did you do?

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  Columbo's sister.

• 1:00:57Speaker 00

  Columbo's sister, she comes and she's like, Columbo, let's get out of here. And he goes, wait a minute, just.

• 1:01:05Speaker 00

  She's like, you said you were leaving like 10 minutes ago.

• 1:01:12Speaker 00

  Columbo's sister is like, get in the car. Jesus, you had your keys in your hand for 10 minutes. I've been in waiting in the car. Columbo's like, just a second.

• 1:01:26Speaker 00

  Okay, sorry, sorry. Okay, basketball, let's get back on track.

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  Basketball with some friends.

• 1:01:34Speaker 02

  I was playing with Woody Harrelson.

• 1:01:36Speaker 00

  Oh, great, he's a good basketball player, I know that.

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  Why Men Can't Jump is one of my all time favorite movies. Why am I holding these felt like they're cards in a poker game?

• 1:01:47Speaker 00

  I'm like, I'm like, do you have?

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  Turn everything into a game.

• 1:01:52Speaker 00

  We're playing Uno. Do you have orange cheese? Great.

• 1:01:57Speaker 00

  Okay, sorry, come on, Andrew, focus.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  If, if anyone's not watching this and just listening to it on the podcast, fuck, I'm so sorry.

• 1:02:05Speaker 00

  We're holding.

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  I'm sorry for most of what's been happening.

• 1:02:07Speaker 00

  Cheeseburgers this whole time, I'm so sorry.

• 1:02:10Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ. I was playing with Woody, who I love and I've been a fan of forever. And Why Men Can't Jump is just one of those all time great movies. And he's just one of my all time favorite performances of all time. All time, all time, all time. And I was so excited to play with him. And then as soon as we got on the court, I just froze. I was just like.

• 1:02:32Speaker 00

  You got in your head.

• 1:02:33Speaker 02

  Just like, I was just like the seven year old at the party that just wants to go home.

• 1:02:37Speaker 00

  Oh, God, yes. Oh, God, yes.

• 1:02:39Speaker 02

  I was just so scared.

• 1:02:40Speaker 00

  It was like fight or flight or freeze.

• 1:02:41Speaker 02

  I froze, I folded. I fully frozen folded. And I played really badly. I just wanna apologize to everyone in that game.

• 1:02:50Speaker 00

  For a competitive person like you.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I froze, I was just like, I love Woody so much and I've been wanting to play with him for so long and it was our, finally our time. And he still plays great and he's like, you know.

• 1:02:59Speaker 00

  I don't think he should. Woody, if you're listening, you're gonna blow out your knee.

• 1:03:02Speaker 02

  He's taking really good care of himself, but he, he's a, he's fiercely competitive.

• 1:03:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:07Speaker 02

  And I love it, I absolutely love it. Anyway, so, um, a thing that I thought was a hidden talent. Lynn, turns out, uh.

• 1:03:16Speaker 00

  It's gone.

• 1:03:17Speaker 02

  It's, was never maybe there. So there, there we have it.

• 1:03:21Speaker 00

  You made a movie that took place in 1381.

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:25Speaker 00

  And it is about a peasant uprising. It looks badass. It's called, it's looks, I, I saw the trailer for it and, and the feeling of like, whoa, this is a very political, very interesting movie to make right now. And what is it about?

• 1:03:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a true, it's about true events in that period of British history. It's the, it's called the Peasant's Revolt. And it was a, a big uprising among the, the ordinary folk of the, of the British Isles that came together in an organized way. And it's, um, it's told, the story is told in a way that is very unique and it's, cause it's this, it's one of my favorite directors of all time, Paul Greengrass, who people would have seen a lot of his amazing films like Captain Phillips or The Bourne series, movies with Matt Damon, or, um, United 93, or Bloody Sunday, The News of the World with Tom Hanks.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  Some of my favorite films of all time and I've wanted to work with Paul forever. And, and, and it brings up really interesting questions about revolution, about violence in revolution, whether it's needed, whether it's not, how change can happen without some form of military coup. Like, it's really a visceral story.

• 1:04:43Speaker 00

  It's so cool, it looks incredible.

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  And, and it's a ride as well. It's also just like a really entertaining kind of action film. It's like a really cool movie.

• 1:04:50Speaker 00

  And it also has my, my scariest kind of villain, which is a, a boy king.

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, boy king, tyrant boy king.

• 1:04:55Speaker 00

  Tyrant boy king?

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:57Speaker 00

  Oh, there's nothing scarier.

• 1:04:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and it was real. Richard, Richard, this, this King Richard was 14 years old and he had, and at that time, this is what's crazy. At that time, and it wasn't metaphorical, it was literal. The king was the messenger of God's word on the earth. So anything that the king uttered was literally treated like it was sent from heaven above. There was, and any equivocation of that meant you were treasonous and traitor to the throne. So anything that this boy decides, this 14 year old boy who is being governed a lot by these.

• 1:05:34Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  New money hoarding, power hoarding, land hoarding oligarchs was treated, was had, had to be, it was, there was no question. It was just like, that's the way it is, water is wet. You know, sky is blue, the king is God on earth. Okay, that's that. So that, that level of power.

• 1:05:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:52Speaker 02

  It's a really interesting thing for right now.

• 1:05:55Speaker 00

  I need to finish our, I need to finish, you, you need to go. You have like 45, but 45 other things to do tonight, but.

• 1:06:01Speaker 02

  No, this is lovely, lovely.

• 1:06:03Speaker 00

  But I wanna finish by asking you the question I ask everybody, which is, what are you listening to, watching, numbing out with?

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  Oh, I love numbing out, man.

• 1:06:11Speaker 00

  Okay, what do you, what do you, what video do you like? What movie?

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  What video, what's your video?

• 1:06:16Speaker 00

  What's your video? Sometimes it's just a video of like a bird eating.

• 1:06:21Speaker 02

  What's your video right now?

• 1:06:22Speaker 00

  A worm. We're back on the first date, now we're back on the first date. And you're like, what's your favorite video?

• 1:06:27Speaker 02

  What's your video?

• 1:06:28Speaker 00

  What video, what video do you watch when you want?

• 1:06:37Speaker 00

  When you want to turn off your head.

• 1:06:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, watch the video.

• 1:06:41Speaker 00

  What video do you watch?

• 1:06:44Speaker 02

  My favorite video right now is I've been watching a lot of Roy Horn of Siegfried and Roy fame because I play Roy Horn in this upcoming Apple TV show and we just finished. Do you not know this?

• 1:06:56Speaker 00

  I love this for you.

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  Bro, it's really fun.

• 1:06:58Speaker 00

  You're playing Roy Horn.

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I've been watching lots of Roy Horn videos.

• 1:07:02Speaker 00

  Is that why your hair is so luscious?

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, partly. But then we just end up putting wigs on of the same hair.

• 1:07:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:08Speaker 02

  It's like, can I get a wig of this on this hair? Yeah, great. That makes sense. No, no, no, it does make sense.

• 1:07:12Speaker 00

  Oh, my God.

• 1:07:13Speaker 02

  We're playing them through, me and Jude Law. Jude Law's playing Siegfried.

• 1:07:16Speaker 00

  Ah!

• 1:07:17Speaker 02

  And we're playing them through the decades, from their twenties through to their sixties. It's amazing. So fun. It was so hard. Montecor, man eater. It means man eater.

• 1:07:27Speaker 00

  Excuse me?

• 1:07:28Speaker 02

  The name means man eater.

• 1:07:28Speaker 00

  I did not know that. The tiger that...

• 1:07:33Speaker 02

  There was an incident with? We say incident.

• 1:07:35Speaker 00

  There was an incident.

• 1:07:36Speaker 02

  There was an accident.

• 1:07:36Speaker 00

  There was an accident.

• 1:07:37Speaker 02

  Because who knows exactly what happened?

• 1:07:38Speaker 00

  Was named Montecor, which it means man.

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  Which means man eater.

• 1:07:42Speaker 00

  I cannot wait for this project.

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  And Roy hand raised him.

• 1:07:45Speaker 00

  Yeah. Wow.

• 1:07:47Speaker 02

  And Roy, yeah, so I'm obsessed. And I'm still obsessed. That's a good sign that I've... We were prepping for a year. We shot it for six months and I'm still obsessed with Roy. I still adore him and his spirit.

• 1:07:59Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:08:00Speaker 02

  So I've just been watching lots of footage of him for the last year and a half and I continue to watch it because I just adore him.

• 1:08:07Speaker 00

  And have you handled tigers? Have you been near tigers?

• 1:08:10Speaker 02

  I have been near tigers, yes, but only in a very legal and safe way. But I did feed a tiger by hand, which was kind of incredible.

• 1:08:20Speaker 00

  Tigers are amazing. And I say to them, "Good day, sir."

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:08:29Speaker 00

  I say to tigers, "And I, and it is nice to meet you, and I shall take my leave." Because tigers scare the fuck out of me.

• 1:08:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:41Speaker 00

  They're so...

• 1:08:42Speaker 02

  They live with them.

• 1:08:43Speaker 00

  I know.

• 1:08:44Speaker 02

  He hit a thing in the morning. He hit a button as he woke up and it sent a bell into the garden, letting the tiger that he wanted know it was time to come and snuggle. The tiger came into the house, came up to the bed, jumped on bed, and they snuggled to wake Roy up. He was something else, man. He was something else.

• 1:09:07Speaker 00

  Andrew Garfield.

• 1:09:08Speaker 02

  Hmm, Amy Poehler.

• 1:09:10Speaker 00

  We have talked so much. This was so fun.

• 1:09:13Speaker 02

  We yap.

• 1:09:14Speaker 00

  We yapped, though.

• 1:09:14Speaker 02

  We yap.

• 1:09:15Speaker 00

  But I knew we would.

• 1:09:17Speaker 02

  Me too. It's been a while.

• 1:09:19Speaker 00

  I know. It's so fun to be with you. I love talking to you.

• 1:09:22Speaker 02

  I feel like we're from the same planet in some regard. I feel like we're from some kind of same universe, which I love just being with you and I've always have. I remember when I first met you, it was with Jane Aronson, Dr. Jane Aronson of the Worldwide Orphans Foundation. And I was really nervous to meet you because I'm just a huge fan of yours and I just think you're just so wonderful. I hadn't known many famous people at that point and you were just like so warm and engulfing and encouraging and caring in such a genuine way that made me feel a lot of hope for being a person in this world. And you're a beautiful, beautiful person. I really adore you.

• 1:10:02Speaker 00

  Andrew, thank you so much. You smell so good.

• 1:10:07Speaker 00

  Everyone should know. It's my best sense and I'm here to say, Andrew smells great, just like we thought. Andrew Garfield, everybody.

• 1:10:20Speaker 00

  Andrew Garfield, that was so fun. Oh, you're just a real silly Billy. I had such a good time with you. Thank you so much for doing this. And for this polar plunge, you know, we talked about some great people that Andrew worked with, including Sally Field. And I just wanted to remind everybody, if you're looking for a movie, a beautiful movie that's filled with heart and will make you cry and it's all about like the spirit of a woman saving her farm, check out a movie called Places in the Heart with Sally Field and Danny Glover and a young John Malkovich and Ed Harris and Amy Madigan. And it's so, so good. Not enough people talk about this movie and it's one of my favorites.

• 1:11:05Speaker 00

  Places in the Heart, Sally Field, I love you. Andrew Garfield, we love you. Thank you so much for doing this episode. And thanks, everybody, for listening. See you soon. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paperkite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullen, Aleia Zaneras, Bridget Geerlings, Paige Garberini, Belle Roman, and Drew Vanstein-Burgen. For Paperkite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.

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