Giggling about red carpets, mahjong, and imposter syndrome

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• 0:00Paige DeSorbo?

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• 1:35Hannah Berner?

  I was thinking about how women have so many little things we have to do when we're getting home that you have to be aware of.

• 1:41Paige DeSorbo?

  Like so many people have my location.

• 1:43Hannah Berner?

  And you have to share your ETA, you have to check the route, you have to text everyone I'm home.

• 1:47Paige DeSorbo?

  And if your friend like doesn't text you, "Oh, you got home," you're calling the FBI.

• 1:52Hannah Berner?

  Yep, yep. And we joke about it because it's so normal to us, but you're constantly paying attention. Even when you're exhausted and just want to get home, your brain still has to be on. You're like, is this guy going the right route? Am I in the right place? Who's around me? What's happening?

• 2:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, there's truly no clocking out of your safety.

• 2:09Hannah Berner?

  And that's why riding in a Waymo feels different. It's an autonomous ride with an empty driver's seat. So once you get in, you have this private space that's actually just yours.

• 2:17Paige DeSorbo?

  And you know, I love alone time, and I truly feel like it's such a luxury in a Waymo.

• 2:21Hannah Berner?

  Especially after being social. Like, I love everyone, but like...

• 2:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Please, nobody speak to me.

• 2:26Hannah Berner?

  Like, give me 20 minutes. I want music, the right temperature. There's no compromising. And you can customize the ride, put on your own music, answer texts you ignored all night, stare out the window. You actually have a minute where you're not thinking about everyone else.

• 2:39Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's the thing. It's not even necessarily about doing something. Sometimes it's just, you want to sit there and not speak.

• 2:46Hannah Berner?

  And put your guard down for a second and feel safe.

• 2:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Which truly women deserve.

• 2:51Hannah Berner?

  We deserve to disassociate safely for 20 minutes.

• 2:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I mean, put that on a t-shirt, for real.

• 2:57Hannah Berner?

  And obviously, safety is a huge part of why that feeling matters. Knowing Waymo's safer, there's something refreshing in having that space where you can just be yourself and let Waymo handle the driving.

• 3:06Paige DeSorbo?

  And we spend enough of our lives being on.

• 3:09Hannah Berner?

  Exactly.

• 3:10Paige DeSorbo?

  We don't need to be on in the car.

• 3:12Hannah Berner?

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• 3:25Paige DeSorbo?

  We love a discount.

• 3:26Hannah Berner?

  And if Waymo isn't in your city yet, head to waymo.com/gigly to sign up and help bring Waymo to you.

• 3:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Sup, gigglers?

• 3:35Speaker 02

  Gary, fix your wifi. Manifest that shit. We can't be managed.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  I mean, the day just got away from me.

• 3:47Hannah Berner?

  Hello, my gay gigglers. Happy Pride! Our favorite month of the year!

• 3:54Paige DeSorbo?

  How have we never used that during Pride?

• 3:57Hannah Berner?

  Because I saved it, even though every, every month with the gigglers is gay.

• 4:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Thank God.

• 4:03Hannah Berner?

  Not to immediately talk about myself.

• 4:05Paige DeSorbo?

  I was gonna talk about you.

• 4:06Hannah Berner?

  Oh my God, thank you. But-

• 4:08Paige DeSorbo?

  You're welcome.

• 4:08Hannah Berner?

  People have been messaging me like, "Oh my God, like, you've been more cunty lately," or "You've been, like, serving more lately." And I realize, it's all since Drag Race.

• 4:20Hannah Berner?

  Because like Drag Race taught me that like to be the moment. Where like before, I'm like, I'm just Hannah. So like, I kind of feel like, yeah, I'm wearing a dress. Where now I'm like, I'm not Hannah.

• 4:31Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm just, I'm just Hannah in a dress.

• 4:33Hannah Berner?

  I'm just Hannah in a dress. Like, that's what I was doing. And like, I know like, like, other people, they're like, she's an icon, she's the moment. And I'm like, well, I'm just wearing a dress. And now I walk in and I'm like, I can be the moment. You guys, it's all in your head. And now people are like, oh Hannah, like, the gays are starting to like me more.

• 4:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Yep.

• 4:51Hannah Berner?

  And I just wore a scarf.

• 4:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Do you want to know also what the gays respond to? Confidence. Like, they can sniff a certain confidence.

• 5:00Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 5:01Paige DeSorbo?

  And

• 5:02Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 5:04Paige DeSorbo?

  I was actually at a shoot recently and they were like, I had to like, answer questions. And one of them was like, okay, like, what makes you feel confident? And I, which is like, obviously like a question people ask all the time of, like, in general. And for a second, I was just like, I just like, made it up in my head that I was.

• 5:23Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 5:24Paige DeSorbo?

  I literally made it up. Like, I just said it one day and then that was it.

• 5:28Hannah Berner?

  I didn't understand, like, red carpets and stuff. I'm like, okay, so I have to put makeup on, I have to be here. And I think the gays, like, knew that, like, deep down, I didn't have my heart and my soul into it. But now, I'm like, no, have fun with this. You get to like, be this character and be this like, version of you.

• 5:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Dare I say, the gays have the best radar when someone's pretending.

• 5:49Hannah Berner?

  Well, the gays call out bullshit.

• 5:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 5:52Hannah Berner?

  There's this Kathy Griffin TikTok, where it's like, I, um, someone get a gay, I need a gay, I need a gay right now. This old TikTok was posted where I said, when someone says something mean to me and I need to think of a good comeback, I'm like, I need a gay, I need a gay right now, can someone find a gay for me?

• 6:09Paige DeSorbo?

  That's so true.

• 6:10Hannah Berner?

  They read everything. They're great readers.

• 6:12Paige DeSorbo?

  They are. And listeners.

• 6:14Hannah Berner?

  And listeners, when they have to be. But speaking of the gays, yeah, we were at Las Culturistas, which was A parade.

• 6:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Did you have so much fun?

• 6:23Hannah Berner?

  I had so much fun. The like, combination of people was so good. Like, it's like when you get invited to a party and I was like, I can't believe I got invited to this party.

• 6:32Paige DeSorbo?

  It's just a night of comedy and fun and outfits and it's my dream.

• 6:40Hannah Berner?

  Well, I feel like I have to thank you because the gays first noticed us because of you. And then you showed up in that hat last time and they lost their fucking, they were gagging, they gagged, they gagged. You were so dominant with the gays.

• 6:55Paige DeSorbo?

  The hat was intentional because I knew, like, I knew my audience there.

• 7:01Hannah Berner?

  You had them in the palm of your hands and they ate it up. And it was so good that to this point, they were like, you could bring your weird friend.

• 7:09Hannah Berner?

  Like, they were like, Paige, you can do whatever you want. You could bring your weird friend. And then I came and they kind of were like, okay, kind of serving.

• 7:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Thanks for showing up.

• 7:16Hannah Berner?

  They were like,

• 7:16Paige DeSorbo?

  They're like, Paige, you can bring her anytime you want.

• 7:18Hannah Berner?

  Oh. That's literally, I felt like I got invited to the cool gay party.

• 7:23Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, I told you guys, you were gonna like her. Just give her a chance.

• 7:27Hannah Berner?

  You were literally looked at me and you were like, this is your moment. You're ready for the gays.

• 7:30Paige DeSorbo?

  What were we talking about this week and you were like, oh, that's kind of like, shoot, I lost it.

• 7:39Paige DeSorbo?

  You said something really funny this week, but it was like a comparison of something. And I feel like we were at Last Cultureist and now I can't remember.

• 7:47Hannah Berner?

  Oh, I did a metaphor?

• 7:49Paige DeSorbo?

  It was so funny and it just made me think of it.

• 7:51Hannah Berner?

  Well, thanks for acknowledging something I said made you laugh. I, I don't do a lot of metaphors, but when I do. So this week is my special week. It comes out Friday.

• 8:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, Friday.

• 8:01Hannah Berner?

  I've been doing some press, um, and I had a funny moment during press because,

• 8:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, before you say that, can I just say that Hannah was the so Hannah about her special coming out? Like, a couple of weeks ago, she was like, okay, so who should I invite to my party? And this is like what I think I'm gonna do. And then like a week later, she was like, next the party. Think it's stupid. Not doing it.

• 8:24Hannah Berner?

  No, I had a 200 person guest list. 200 people and I was like, no, we're not doing this. But actually, I'll tell you right now on the pod, something new just came out. Well, we were gonna do a screening and it got cancelled. Logistics weren't working and I have an idea. I don't know if you're around though. But Taylor Strucker just had a baby that I haven't seen. I think I'm just gonna throw a catered like dinner get together from like 7 to 10 at Taylor Strucker's.

• 8:57Paige DeSorbo?

  What does her having a baby have to do with that?

• 8:59Hannah Berner?

  A baby makes a party.

• 9:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh. You're gonna do it Friday night?

• 9:05Hannah Berner?

  And she has a rooftop if you don't like babies.

• 9:07Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, perfect. I'm out of town.

• 9:09Hannah Berner?

  Are you actually? Oh my god. Cause I was like, oh, you love this Taylor Strucker. Okay, fine.

• 9:16Paige DeSorbo?

  I do love Taylor Strucker and I would love to meet her baby. I've only ever gifted her baby something and I haven't even like looked her in the eyes and introduced myself.

• 9:24Hannah Berner?

  That's actually so you. You love a baby gift.

• 9:27Paige DeSorbo?

  I love a baby gift.

• 9:28Hannah Berner?

  Did you get her the trunk?

• 9:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, of course. It's what I give everyone who has a baby. I'm like, and here's a memorabilia trunk. Monogrammed with your baby's name. Now, like I have, everyone knows I send that trunk. So like now my girlfriends who are having babies aren't even waiting for me to send the trunk. They're sending their color requests. They're like, not gonna leave it up to you because I have a vision in mind. Can you use these colors when you send my trunk? And I'm like, sure.

• 10:00Hannah Berner?

  I love that though.

• 10:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 10:03Hannah Berner?

  If you don't have a trunk, you don't have a baby.

• 10:05Paige DeSorbo?

  No, that's what I'm saying.

• 10:06Hannah Berner?

  What came first, the baby or the trunk?

• 10:08Paige DeSorbo?

  If I haven't sent you a trunk for your baby, just know, I don't fuck with that baby.

• 10:15Hannah Berner?

  If you have a trunkless baby.

• 10:17Paige DeSorbo?

  If you have not received a trunk from me for your baby, I'm sorry, we're not real friends.

• 10:23Hannah Berner?

  If you thought you were, now you know where you stand.

• 10:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Now you know. If you haven't received a trunk.

• 10:28Hannah Berner?

  Wait, also, anything else from Los Culturistas? It was fun to like sit back and... Like, enjoy a performance.

• 10:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes. It's so fun to like, walk into a theater and not have a panic attack.

• 10:43Hannah Berner?

  I know, we were like, never in that side of the theater.

• 10:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 10:46Hannah Berner?

  You know, waiting for it to start and

• 10:49Hannah Berner?

  we were just whispering to each other, which is really fun. Oh, my, look. I wanted to wear

• 10:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, let's talk about that.

• 10:58Hannah Berner?

  It ended up giving pirate, and it also wasn't the normal size of a bandana. It was like a big Italian Cavalli scarf. So when we wrapped it up, it was like bundling.

• 11:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Too much fabric.

• 11:11Hannah Berner?

  And I, I vetoed it. I said, girls, gays, we can't do this. Paige has been through a lot. She had a long day. She just got off a six hour flight. I don't want to like, have to emotionally process this. I said, we're doing a scarf, babe, we're doing a scarf. But then the scarf was causing drama all night. Poor Josephine had to keep redoing my scarf.

• 11:31Paige DeSorbo?

  Was on scarf duty. My favorite comment was that I was dressed very you coded and you were dressed very me coded and like, together we were still ourselves.

• 11:43Hannah Berner?

  Oh.

• 11:44Paige DeSorbo?

  And I loved it.

• 11:45Hannah Berner?

  Well, you were wearing Tom Brown.

• 11:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Tom Ford.

• 11:50Hannah Berner?

  Oh, Tom.

• 11:51Paige DeSorbo?

  I was wearing a Tom Ford top and then I was wearing an Aria skirt. The theme was a gay fever dream.

• 12:00Hannah Berner?

  I thought the theme was evening wear.

• 12:03Paige DeSorbo?

  I think maybe that was the attire, but the theme was gay fever dream, which I think you, like, you could wear whatever.

• 12:10Hannah Berner?

  Wait, attire and theme are different?

• 12:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, well, like, the attire is, like, how fancy it is. So like, if you got an invitation to a wedding, a black tie.

• 12:19Hannah Berner?

  Got it.

• 12:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Attire, cocktail attire. But like, the overall theme was gay fever dream, which I think is whatever you want it to mean.

• 12:27Hannah Berner?

  Mm-hmm. When do you decide when to smile or not in a photo? Because I've been really playing with that. I'm like, I'm not smiling today.

• 12:37Paige DeSorbo?

  It's just like whenever the wind hits me, you know, in a certain direction, I'm like, I'll give a smile. You know what I don't do when people tell me to smile? Because I'm like, you're not in charge of my aesthetic on Instagram.

• 12:49Hannah Berner?

  But you've actually never full-tooth smiled on a carpet?

• 12:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, I feel like I have because I've been like bullied into it. Not to like fully chapel roan over here. But like I was bullied into smiling.

• 13:00Hannah Berner?

  The photographer will just be right there, like five feet away from you and be like, give us a smile. And you're, you just are like, huh? And then that's the photo they use.

• 13:09Paige DeSorbo?

  No one talks about this because I may come off as unrelatable in this situation, but you ever been on a red carpet? And when there's like, and there's like all the camera people and a particular one like doesn't care about you? Not for like any particular reason, just like doesn't give a shit? So like they just turn to the side and wait for the next person and it's so... And you're standing there and you know that like other people are taking pictures, but this one guy just like doesn't give a fuck. And it's so, you're like, okay. So like, did I do something? Like, do you know you do not give a fuck because you just don't care? Or like you specifically don't? It's very jarring.

• 13:46Hannah Berner?

  But everything is fake in this world. So like I've, I've gone to a carpet before and like...

• 13:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Everything is fake and everything is owned by everything.

• 13:55Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, but people weren't excited and then like one camera guy recognized me. It was like, hey Hannah. And then the other one got excited and started taking pictures. Next you know, they're all excited taking pictures. It's like, so sometimes like they'll start not knowing and then they see other people care. So then they're like, oh, I'm supposed to care. So everything's made up. It's kind of like, if you fake paparazzi, people think you're important. You know what I mean?

• 14:17Paige DeSorbo?

  And I don't think people at home know that before you get on the red carpet, there's a whiteboard that they write your name on.

• 14:22Hannah Berner?

  Oh yeah, that's humbling.

• 14:23Paige DeSorbo?

  And they flash it before you get on the carpet so that they know who the fuck you are.

• 14:27Hannah Berner?

  Makes you feel like a substitute teacher. They're like, this is Hannah.

• 14:31Paige DeSorbo?

  Now everyone's gonna be nice to Hannah today, right?

• 14:34Hannah Berner?

  Burner with B-E-R-N-E-R. I had, um, oh my god, Sports Illustrated two weeks ago. You have a bigger aura than me sometimes. When you like get out of a car, I feel like people are like, that's a celebrity.

• 14:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, thank you so much.

• 14:51Hannah Berner?

  But you've like, I feel like this is something that you've had since like the womb. Like you came out and the doctors were like, ch-ch-ch, photo, photo, photo.

• 15:01Paige DeSorbo?

  They say, "Get her out of the nursery. She needs security. Put her in a private room."

• 15:06Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, you came out with sunglasses.

• 15:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 15:10Hannah Berner?

  And a lip gloss.

• 15:13Hannah Berner?

  And someone was powdering your nose. They were like, "Okay, she got a little shiny in there."

• 15:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Taylor was literally there as a baby, powdering me.

• 15:21Hannah Berner?

  They're like, "Don't let her come out looking a mess." I like will get out of a car and people assume I'm a publicist, I think. I can definitely walk in a way that no one will notice that I'm there. If that makes sense.

• 15:34Paige DeSorbo?

  So you Marilyn Monroe yourself?

• 15:37Hannah Berner?

  I can. I don't know if I can make myself look important, but I could definitely like make myself look unimportant. I walk out and I'm walking to this event and I guess there's always someone who's supposed to be your like handler and be like, "Okay, here's your ID. Here's whatever you need to get into the event." I always walk past them and they never see me. And then at Sports Illustrated, I was like with my little cousin Andrea and she was helping me out and I was like, "Girl, we're gonna have a fun day, VIP, Sports Illustrated." I walk in and we're at the elevator and they're like, "Do you have a wristband?" And I was like, "No." And they're like, "Did someone give it to you?" And I was like, "No." And they're like, "Well, you need to get a wristband." And I'm like, "I'm in the magazine."

• 16:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 16:19Hannah Berner?

  And this is like a big event with like lots of different people, but I'm like, "I'm in the magazine." Like, I'm not trying to be a bitch, but like...

• 16:26Paige DeSorbo?

  You're like, "I'm the prettiest girl in America."

• 16:29Hannah Berner?

  So then I went to another place where they were giving out bands, but I guess it was for like general public. And I said to the girl like, "Hey, can I have a band?" And she's like, "What's your name?" And I was like, "Hannah," and she was like, "I don't have you on anything." And my little cousin Andrea is literally dying laughing because I walked in being like, "You're about to hang out with your cool cousin and we're about to rock this town together." And the lady looked at me, she's like, "Bitch, I don't know who you are and why you're bothering me." And I was like, "Okay!" And then finally someone saw me and was like, "Hannah, you walked past the person!" And I was like, "I just walked in."

• 17:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 17:02Hannah Berner?

  So that happens to me. All the time, all the time, but I also realized that I'd be a good spy.

• 17:08Paige DeSorbo?

  I'd also say that in my life, if someone said, who's the most confident person that you know, I would say you. And I think that that's why I gravitate toward you because your confidence like comes off on to me and then I feel more confident. So basically I use you a lot.

• 17:27Hannah Berner?

  Well, I would argue that we both are really confident, just in very different ways.

• 17:32Paige DeSorbo?

  Here's the thing with your best friend that like, and look, me and Hannah have been in some like peculiar situations together that are so niche.

• 17:39Hannah Berner?

  True pickles.

• 17:40Paige DeSorbo?

  That like if we even explained it to you guys, it'd be like, I don't get like, I don't know, because it's so nuanced and so niche. But everyone can relate to being in a situation with your friend and you look at them and like in your brains, you're locking eyes and you're saying to each other, we only have each other in this weird life.

• 18:04Paige DeSorbo?

  And the amount of times, even just this week, that like I haven't even been in the same room with you, but I've had the thought where I'm like, and I only have Hannah in this life, like.

• 18:16Hannah Berner?

  Well, you actually got quiet at one point this weekend and I never felt more connected to you because you knew that I knew you were being quiet and I was letting you be quiet because one thing you don't do as a best friend in public is start poking your friend to be like, what's going on? Are you okay? So I was just like, I'm gonna let her have this and acknowledge, give her an eye. And she literally was like, I'll talk to you later. And I was like, I'm ready. I can't wait. The second she's in the car, my phone's blowing up.

• 18:41Paige DeSorbo?

  I felt you. Sorry. I just like got like a 1930s wave and I didn't even like, no.

• 18:47Hannah Berner?

  Cindy Crawford.

• 18:47Paige DeSorbo?

  I like caught a glimpse of myself. I said, wait, just give me a hand.

• 18:51Hannah Berner?

  You're like, Grace screenshot? Okay, continue.

• 18:54Paige DeSorbo?

  I forgot what I was saying. But yeah. Oh, no, no, no. I did have a moment where like I felt your presence next to me, but I wasn't looking at you. And I knew that you knew that I was annoyed about something, but I couldn't say it in the moment or around people. And you just looked at me like, okay? And I said, yeah. And we had a full conversation.

• 19:15Hannah Berner?

  Because I'm also not blowing up your spot. I'm not blowing up your spot. I'm just letting you know we're clocked. We clocked it and we'll discuss this later.

• 19:22Paige DeSorbo?

  We talk about as women so much how like your friendships change when you get married, when you have kids and like. It's hard to like balance everything and I truly think that you and your friend just need to have one of those moments every six months. And it keeps it on track. You can keep on like you can go and not speak to them for a month because they're busy as long as the next time you see each other like you have that type of moment.

• 19:48Hannah Berner?

  There's just nothing worse than being in a social. Out being outside. And experiencing something and looking around and no one gets it. And you're just like, I'm alone in this world where like, I didn't even know what you were thinking, but I knew that I would agree. Does that make sense?

• 20:04Paige DeSorbo?

  And isn't that what life is? Isn't it just finding people that agree with you?

• 20:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Like you want to know what? I actually don't care if people think I'm wrong because I know that I have a group of six girls that a 100% agree with me.

• 20:23Hannah Berner?

  And my mom and my cat.

• 20:23Paige DeSorbo?

  At all times.

• 20:24Hannah Berner?

  Like butter? That's a great example. Like you think butter's disagreeing with me? Butter is fighting for me every second.

• 20:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, not to bring up like an actual cat combo, but like serious question because I've only had Daphne for two years. She's my first cat. Obviously like don't you have a short haired cat? So I like can't call you sometimes because I'm like

• 20:48Paige DeSorbo?

  what like she's in a different situation. I need to know if one, I need to know how often you're brushing your long haired cats and second, I need to know if my cat is AI. Because I'm not kidding. When Daphne gets like a mat on her. I genuinely feel like she comes to me, shows it to me and like lets me get it off of her. Like I feel like other cats, you have to like fight with them to brush it or like you know, they don't want you like digging at their like, I genuinely feel like Kitty comes up to me and is like, you're gonna let me walk around the house like this? Like fix this.

• 21:26Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 21:27Paige DeSorbo?

  And so I need to know that from the long haired cat moms.

• 21:31Hannah Berner?

  So my one thing I know is my mom brushes her cats, even though they're kind of short hair, but like they love getting brushed. Like

• 21:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 21:38Hannah Berner?

  They walk up to her to be like,

• 21:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes.

• 21:40Hannah Berner?

  Brush me bitch.

• 21:41Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, that's how I feel.

• 21:42Hannah Berner?

  And the back and don't forget the front. Thank you.

• 21:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Sometimes I feel like she's judging my brushing. Like I feel like she wants to be like, and this isn't what I pay you for bitch. Like do it better. Like if she could physically grab her brush and bring it to me, I feel like she would. Support for today's episode comes from Square, the system powering like half the places I go. We've built Giggly Squad into a full business at this point, and between the podcast, merch, touring, and everything, there's a lot of moving parts. And if there's one thing we've learned, it's that you can be chaotic, but your business cannot be. Square helps business owners focus on the fun parts. Creating things, building something, showing up, not chasing down where a payment went, or trying to figure out if something is in stock.

• 22:28Paige DeSorbo?

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• 25:23Paige DeSorbo?

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• 26:51Paige DeSorbo?

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• 28:16Paige DeSorbo?

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• 28:36Hannah Berner?

  I was in a long conversation this morning in DMs with a giggler who sent me a photo of a cat. And she sent me options for names. Guys, I can't come up with names off of nothing. I need to know like.

• 28:48Hannah Berner?

  So she gave me some good options.

• 28:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, there's a girl on TikTok that literally started a business where you can pay her and she'll brainstorm baby names for you. You give her like certain things about you and your husband and she'll brainstorm based on your personality. She was like, I just realized I was good at it on TikTok a couple of years ago because celebrities would get pregnant. I'd predict the baby name and I would like kind of get it right a lot of the time.

• 29:15Hannah Berner?

  Oh, so she's magical.

• 29:16Paige DeSorbo?

  So she started an entire business where she will brainstorm baby names for you based on you.

• 29:23Hannah Berner?

  Instead of Etsy witch breakup, she's doing Etsy witch babies. I'm obsessed with her. Also, I was talking to someone yesterday who had a baby and I was like, what's your baby's name? And they were like, my wife and I actually haven't decided yet, so we just call it baby. And I was like, how old is baby? And they were like, eight months.

• 29:39Hannah Berner?

  And they're like, we can't decide, just baby. But they have another kid, so they just call it like, there's this kid and baby.

• 29:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, I thought like they.

• 29:46Hannah Berner?

  There's a birth certificate or something?

• 29:48Paige DeSorbo?

  I was under the impression that like they don't let you leave the hospital.

• 29:51Hannah Berner?

  I know, but.

• 29:52Paige DeSorbo?

  And you like named your baby.

• 29:53Hannah Berner?

  So many things in this life just seem like a movie and easy, but it's not like, I think if you're at home. It's also so much pressure what you named the baby because that's like their whole identity for the rest of their life. And like, I don't know, I think sometimes people are too casual about it.

• 30:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Also, I was asking my friend Katie, who literally just had a baby. I was just gonna say, just had a baby drop last week.

• 30:14Hannah Berner?

  New baby dropping.

• 30:16Paige DeSorbo?

  Dropped her new baby. Hell, yeah.

• 30:18Hannah Berner?

  New baby dropping a week.

• 30:20Paige DeSorbo?

  And like, we've been chatting. Oh, and also I was like, oh, I want to come see the baby. And I completely forgot that you have to like wait a certain amount of weeks.

• 30:28Hannah Berner?

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:29Paige DeSorbo?

  To like see a baby.

• 30:31Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 30:31Paige DeSorbo?

  So I was like, totally forgot about that. But when the eight weeks is up, I am in fact busy, so I'll catch him later.

• 30:37Hannah Berner?

  You go, do you have another baby dropping? When's the next drop?

• 30:43Paige DeSorbo?

  No, but we were talking about how like, she was saying how, how after you give birth and everything's over and you like sleep and you're ready to leave, that you just leave. And she was like, and it is so weird that they're just like, okay, bye, good luck, like, see ya. Like, in my head, they send a police officer home with you.

• 31:03Paige DeSorbo?

  So like make sure where you're even bringing this baby home is suitable like no one's coming and checking. It's such a crazy concept.

• 31:11Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 31:12Paige DeSorbo?

  But then I thought, just like Hannah losing her bag at Sports Illustrated, you're handing it to a woman. So what bad could happen?

• 31:18Hannah Berner?

  Literally, the doctor, if it's a man, he's like, please take this away from me. I'm exhausted.

• 31:25Paige DeSorbo?

  You're just handing it over to a woman who you know is gonna do the right thing. And honestly, what's changed my brain chemistry is I saw a quote that said, the only people that live on earth are women and their children.

• 31:38Paige DeSorbo?

  And I'm obsessed because that is the only humans that live on earth is women and.

• 31:43Hannah Berner?

  And their children can include cats. I do have to say, this cat that was sent, she sent me options and then I thought of, I really want someone to name their cat Pepper. I think Pepper's so cute, but she was like, mm, this cat has some like brown undertones. And I was like, how about Mocha? And we ended up going with Cinnamon and her nickname's Minnie.

• 32:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Cute. They're never gonna call that cat Cinnamon.

• 32:07Hannah Berner?

  Unless she's really naughty. Cinnamon.

• 32:10Paige DeSorbo?

  If you've named a cat and you already have their nickname, you're never calling it their real name.

• 32:15Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, or, yeah, yeah, that's true. But now I feel like I have, you know, didn't Sheena or didn't you like get bought a penguin by like?

• 32:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Hannah, I can't believe you would bring this up right now.

• 32:27Hannah Berner?

  Wait, that was so fucked up.

• 32:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Bought a penguin for an ex-boyfriend one time and I genuinely think I was scammed. It was the cutest, I, it was such a sweet gift.

• 32:38Hannah Berner?

  That's how I feel about every Giggler's cat. I'm like, give me updates on our cat.

• 32:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes.

• 32:43Hannah Berner?

  But where is that penguin?

• 32:44Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know where that penguin is because they never responded to my emails. But then I like still get emails from the place like to this day. Honestly, that penguin sensed the energy and was like,

• 33:00Paige DeSorbo?

  not here, you're not adopting me. Now what's going on over there? You got me fucked up. I'd rather be in the wild.

• 33:07Hannah Berner?

  Please, Page Six or whatever, put a headline, Page and her ex abandoned penguin.

• 33:16Hannah Berner?

  Decide they don't want to co-parent, no one knows who the penguin is.

• 33:19Paige DeSorbo?

  I used to get asked about that penguin all the time.

• 33:22Hannah Berner?

  Oh my god, I think Sheena had a penguin at one point.

• 33:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, I think she might have.

• 33:26Hannah Berner?

  I'm like such a fangirl, like Sheena can do no wrong to me, like ever, when she commented on this, um, advertisement we have up for Hulu dropping and she wrote, "It's all happening," and I'm like, "Does no one understand the gravity of this?"

• 33:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, I saw Sheena, also, nobody gives credit to Sheena and how funny she is, like, like...

• 33:48Hannah Berner?

  Inconsistent.

• 33:49Paige DeSorbo?

  No, her comedic timing is actually hilarious and people literally don't give her credit. Um, there was something about like Summer House and I think it was something about like Jesse Solomon and he was like making a post about himself or like, I don't know, something. And Sheena commented and was like, "Okay, Sheena, like, making the whole scandal about you," like, and I was just like, "That's hilarious and that's funny."

• 34:13Hannah Berner?

  Also, not to get in the weeds, but she like told a story about how her ex put up a TV and it took him like, only like three minutes, seven minutes? That's hilarious. Like, why, why is everyone taking shit so seriously? If my friend was like, "He put up a thing in seven minutes," I'd be like, "That's fucking hilarious." She's obviously like-

• 34:30Paige DeSorbo?

  It's so funny.

• 34:31Hannah Berner?

  Just starting a good conversation about how long it takes men to do things. Like, why was that turned into like-

• 34:37Paige DeSorbo?

  People were really mean to her.

• 34:38Hannah Berner?

  They cancelled her because of that.

• 34:40Paige DeSorbo?

  In like the beginning years of Vanderpump 2, like, they were really mean to her and I'm like, "This girl is hilarious."

• 34:47Hannah Berner?

  Hilarious.

• 34:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, even when she first got on the show, I was like, "Everyone thinks I look like Britney Spears." I'm like, "This is a TV goal, I'm obsessed with this person."

• 34:56Hannah Berner?

  Obsessed, obsessed. Um, so yeah, I had this interview and the lady, who's actually like giggler, hilarious, we had such a good conversation. And then there's a part of the interview, they always like to get a little deeper after they're like, "What's going on in your life?" And she was like, "You talk about having imposter syndrome, especially as a stand-up comedian who came from reality TV, like, what do you do to, you know, be confident in yourself?" And I was just kind of like answering questions, but like, this light bulb goes up and I was like, "I've never said that." I've never s- like, I was gonna go with it, but then I was like, you cannot be a people pleaser right now. Like, that's literally everything you stand against. And I go, I'm so sorry, I don't know where you read that.

• 35:38Hannah Berner?

  I need to have imposter syndrome. Like, I could actually benefit from like, a little bit of imposter syndrome, cuz I'm out here, like, singing. I literally, to this day, still think I can hit the Cynthia Riva note.

• 35:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 35:52Hannah Berner?

  And it almost cost me my friendship with Paige.

• 35:56Hannah Berner?

  During tour. And she-

• 35:57Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, wait, before you finish the story. We're sitting at Los Culturistas. We're in the middle of the show. I feel a tap on my shoulder. I look over and Hannah goes, "So, you really would never sing and dance on the stage?" Like, I could tell. She's watching this performance, and in, like, a normal person's like, "Wow, they're doing so well." My friend is like, "I could fucking do this. I could get up there. I could learn this dance right now." And I knew she was thinking, "Next Giggly Squad live tour, there will be a singing and dance moment." And I looked at her, and I go, "No, I would have joined the theater."

• 36:34Hannah Berner?

  And I was like, "You could, you don't have to move. Like, I'll do something around you." And you're literally like, "I can't do this right now. I'm trying to understand." And I was like, "Okay, well, I'm planning choreography, just to let you know."

• 36:43Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm like, "We're in the middle of the show. We'll talk about this after."

• 36:47Hannah Berner?

  We were literally a married couple. She's like, "Can we talk about this in the car? I'm not doing this in front of everyone." Oh my god, there's a clip going around from our Zoom dance. You dancing on Zoom was so funny. You were doing like, you did like-

• 37:03Paige DeSorbo?

  She was a different girl.

• 37:06Paige DeSorbo?

  She was, she had a bigger-

• 37:07Hannah Berner?

  Sometimes I see old photos of you, and I just love looking at it, cuz I was, I'm like, I miss her. I mean, I'm biased, but I feel like we're exactly the same, except we're smarter and less reactive.

• 37:22Hannah Berner?

  So anyway, I feel like it's assumed a lot of the time that women have imposter syndrome. Like, I feel like whenever anyone's successful, they're always like, "How are you handling the fact that you're successful?" And I'm like, "'Cause this is the only way I will survive, or I'll feel like I have no purpose in life, "'Cause I've been chasing this since I was born, because this is all I'm meant to do." Like, what do you want me... And I don't know if they would ask men that. Like, when a man blows up, are they like, "Alex Warren, do you have imposter syndrome?" Or, "Sombra, do you have imposter syndrome?"

• 37:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Never one time have I seen a guy answer that question. Because the equivalent to that question for men, I feel like, is, "Oh, my god, can you believe you've made it to this point in your career?" It's not that you've, like, where with women, it's like you've had to have been doubting the whole time. This is shocking.

• 38:14Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, like, you're doubting yourself, you're questioning yourself.

• 38:17Paige DeSorbo?

  We're shocked, you're shocked that we're here, where men, it's like, doesn't it feel good?

• 38:21Hannah Berner?

  No, but like, when you start in reality TV, everything gets harder, "'Cause everyone's like, "But you were on reality TV, so you can't do this, you can't do this, you can't do this, you can't do this." And you're like, "I'm sorry that I got casted for something, and it actually wasn't my dream."

• 38:35Paige DeSorbo?

  You're like, "If we really think about it, I couldn't do reality TV."

• 38:42Paige DeSorbo?

  "I actually can do that."

• 38:44Hannah Berner?

  I tried my best.

• 38:45Paige DeSorbo?

  We're really breaking it down.

• 38:47Hannah Berner?

  Instead of calling me a reality TV star, we should just be like, "She wasn't able to do it."

• 38:51Paige DeSorbo?

  She wasn't really on that much.

• 38:55Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I don't know what it is. I think probably also, I think, because reality TV is mainly women, so I think it's also looked at as, like...

• 39:05Hannah Berner?

  Not skilled, stupid.

• 39:08Paige DeSorbo?

  When, in reality, it's like, the number-one connection we have to, like, anthropology. Like, watching how women react to certain situations, watching how friendships evolve, watching how, like, just your lives change in general from different ages. You can watch in real time. Now, granted, there's obviously editing, but like, you... So there are some people on reality TV that you've watched them for 20 years.

• 39:35Hannah Berner?

  Can I actually give a metaphor?

• 39:39Paige DeSorbo?

  I love it.

• 39:39Hannah Berner?

  Reality TV is like anthropology, but it's more like reading a history book. Where at the time, you're like, this is facts, but then you realize that the history book was in fact written by humans. And there's always a bias. For example-

• 39:51Paige DeSorbo?

  I'd have to literally smoke a joint to get through the- start over.

• 39:56Hannah Berner?

  Like, history books-

• 39:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes.

• 39:58Hannah Berner?

  Were written differently in the south than the north.

• 40:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes.

• 40:01Hannah Berner?

  They tell the story of our nation differently based on what they want you to know and how they want you to perceive it.

• 40:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes, okay.

• 40:10Hannah Berner?

  So, what I'm saying is, reality TV, when you look back, you realize like, oh, that was a time when it was popular for this, or they wanted this angle. And it's not straight facts. It's through the lens and the narrative they want you to see it from. So that's why I love when people get more information, when they go back and they're able to be like, wait, now that I know this, this scene looks completely different.

• 40:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, okay, were you done with the imposter syndrome story?

• 40:40Hannah Berner?

  If you want me to be.

• 40:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, no, I just-

• 40:43Hannah Berner?

  No, I mean, I could talk about it forever.

• 40:45Paige DeSorbo?

  I didn't know if you finished the story. So what did you end up saying to the person?

• 40:49Hannah Berner?

  Oh, I just, I was kinda proud. I stood up for myself and I was like, I actually don't think I've said that, which is like kinda awkward, like you don't wanna have to say that, but I was like, I've never said that and it's not what I-

• 40:57Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 40:59Hannah Berner?

  I don't have imposter syndrome and I'm happy to be here. I'm just happy to be here.

• 41:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Happy to be involved.

• 41:05Hannah Berner?

  I'm happy to be involved.

• 41:06Paige DeSorbo?

  And you're doing great at your job, I'm doing great at mine.

• 41:08Hannah Berner?

  Did you ever have imposter syndrome and think, how to, whatever? Imposter syndrome is like you telling yourself you shouldn't be here, which I have had in other things. Yeah, like tennis, I had imposter syndrome before, cuz I'm like, I'm not-

• 41:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Being a successful comedian, you're like, I know.

• 41:24Hannah Berner?

  That's just art. Like, I'm like, if the people laughed, you were funny.

• 41:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 41:29Hannah Berner?

  That, that really gets rid of your imposter syndrome, once you get that first laugh. But yeah, if you're a girl listening, you don't have to have imposter syndrome. It's not like part of our DNA. You can just like, believe in yourself. And then when the good things happen, you go, yeah, I knew. Like Paige, you don't have imposter syndrome?

• 41:47Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I knew from a very young age that I was meant for more. I just knew it. I, there's actually so many different situations in my life that I was telling people-

• 42:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Like I was being rude to people to be like, how dare you say, I'm not gonna do what I say I'm gonna do like, okay, you don't think you're gonna be famous. I do. Like, get away from, I always thought I was gonna be famous. Actually, there was a moment when I was in my early twenties. I had just graduated college. I'd moved to New York City. And I had a moment where I was like, oh, my God. I said I was gonna be famous by seventeen and I'm like twenty-three and I like haven't done it yet. And I remember thinking like, am I just gonna like stay at my job and not try? And getting really upset that I had like missed becoming famous.

• 42:44Hannah Berner?

  You're like, I'm twenty-two, I missed it.

• 42:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, I think I had a like modeling agent say, if you're not famous by seventeen, it's really hard to like break into it.

• 42:54Hannah Berner?

  People love saying that stuff to people.

• 42:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, and I think that like stayed in my head for however many years. And then I um remember I got like got Summer House and I just thought, yeah, like I'm, this was supposed to happen to me.

• 43:09Hannah Berner?

  Cause also you were so ready for your moment. Like when that happened, you'd been so overprepared and ready. Like when you sat down that confessional, you were like,

• 43:16Paige DeSorbo?

  I trained for this.

• 43:17Hannah Berner?

  Go. It wasn't like, oh, no, what's happening to me? This is all unfamiliar. You had already seen it in your head a bazillion times and like,

• 43:25Paige DeSorbo?

  I'd been performing.

• 43:26Hannah Berner?

  You saw yourself walking at the premiere already. You knew the outfit.

• 43:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Totally. I knew, yeah, I knew I was meant to be on a red carpet getting in a fight with a paparazzi.

• 43:38Hannah Berner?

  About smiling.

• 43:40Paige DeSorbo?

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• 48:20Hannah Berner?

  I think it's time for Women in STEM of the Week. I have so many submissions now, weekly, in my DMs.

• 48:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Getting overwhelming for him.

• 48:27Hannah Berner?

  We actually have to hire a new employee to handle all of those.

• 48:32Paige DeSorbo?

  Because we want to highlight real women, like, like everything that started as a bit. So now I feel bad when the real women in STEM are like, hey, how about highlight us? And we're like, okay, but she like tied her hair with a cute bow.

• 48:46Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, no, I know. I was like, this is a bit. This girl was like, hey, I just graduated Cornell, like, engineering science, whatever.

• 48:53Paige DeSorbo?

  She's like, hey, I made the rocket. Like, any rocket, I made it. And we're like, okay, but did you use a straw as a makeup brush?

• 49:04Hannah Berner?

  No, these girls are so smart. One girl, I think she's like a doctor, she's like, I saved like the lives of two twins today. And I was like, hey, not really the right fit for this segment.

• 49:15Hannah Berner?

  It's not really the voice and like the angle we want, but like obsessed with your work.

• 49:19Paige DeSorbo?

  And you do have imposter syndrome for our personal Women in STEM of the Week, but...

• 49:23Hannah Berner?

  Also, would you ever ask like a doctor, a female doctor, like, do you have imposter syndrome when you go into surgery? It's like, no, this is who I am.

• 49:32Paige DeSorbo?

  No, because if she said yes, you then realize you're dying in that moment. Like, that's the, if your doctor has imposter syndrome, that's really... Honestly, though, so many gynecologists I've gone to definitely have imposter syndrome because they had no idea what the fuck was going on. Anyway, that's for a different pissed off of the week.

• 49:54Hannah Berner?

  So, Women in STEM of the Week, don't know her name or anything, but there is a girl going around who realized that you could do your own color analysis by just going to Home Depot. And you walk behind the wall of colors and you just take photos of yourself. And then color analysis is made up anyway, so you can then decide what you like, what's best for you.

• 50:16Paige DeSorbo?

  Hannah, we have to go.

• 50:18Hannah Berner?

  No, I know. Well, okay, do you think color analysis is messed up, is made up?

• 50:23Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 50:23Hannah Berner?

  You know, but you know when they show it, you'll be like, I like her in that color. And they're like, that's a horrible color. And I'm like, isn't it like? It'd be like the most subtle, I don't know.

• 50:31Paige DeSorbo?

  I think there's obviously very, there can be subtle things that you're like, eh, you could go either way. But I think it is real because there are some times, like, okay, um.

• 50:42Hannah Berner?

  Like colors wash me out, for sure.

• 50:45Paige DeSorbo?

  But a bunch of girls went to like somewhere and did it, like a bunch of influencers, I forget. It was like an influencer trip or something. And you could tell, like when they, like the blondes with blue eyes, when they did like the dark colors, you could instantly tell that they looked way better in like the bright colors because their eyes just popped and it looked. So I definitely think it's real. I think there are certain things, if you have like a complex, like I think our complexion can go like both ways sometimes.

• 51:13Hannah Berner?

  I'm so flattered you're putting my complexion in the same.

• 51:16Paige DeSorbo?

  I know. Then I looked down at you and I was like.

• 51:20Hannah Berner?

  No, so I'm told I have.

• 51:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Actually, she's way more fair skinned than me.

• 51:22Hannah Berner?

  I have olive undertones because of my Sicilian, which you have. But then because of my, like, European mutt, I have kind of rosacea.

• 51:32Paige DeSorbo?

  So.

• 51:33Hannah Berner?

  I don't have rosacea. I just have a reddish hue that like.

• 51:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, yeah, you don't have, yeah. So do you know what colors you think you are? Or?

• 51:44Hannah Berner?

  I, I like, kind of, but like I would love to do a color analysis. But like, I'm also like, yeah, someone has blue eyes, wear blue, okay? I don't need to pay someone to fucking, I tell Dez, wear blue. Wear navy, wear, wear this shade of blue.

• 51:59Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I need to go get it done.

• 52:00Hannah Berner?

  Also, I can't believe I didn't tell you this. My mom visited and, I don't know, I feel like as you get older, you just like cherish every day with your mom where I'm, you're not like, okay, we're not gonna do anything. I'm like, what do we do? She told me that she had some friends playing mahjong and she doesn't know how to play. And I was like, I think you can like get mahjong lessons. So I went on Instagram and I was like mahjong lesson, DM someone. Next day, they came over to our house, me, my mom, and two professional mahjong girlies. Put down the mahjong mat. And for three hours, I felt like I was at Harvard.

• 52:41Hannah Berner?

  We learned how to play mahjong. It's really difficult, but I felt like I was learning a new language and I was like, I can't wait to be in like a mahjong group drama.

• 52:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, wait, wait.

• 52:54Hannah Berner?

  Paige mahjong is taking over as like, cause it's kind of a language that like, you need to know it to play it. And then once you're in it, it's like an art form and it could take three hours, the game. It's basically like, I don't know if you ever played gin rummy with like your grandpa?

• 53:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 53:10Hannah Berner?

  Why would I bring him up? Um.

• 53:12Paige DeSorbo?

  It it's like rummy cup, but with tiles.

• 53:15Hannah Berner?

  It's like rummy cup if you were on mushrooms and cocaine. So it's and what what people like is.

• 53:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Cause aren't all the tiles like pictures?

• 53:25Hannah Berner?

  They're gorgeous. They're all like glass and they, the backs are really pretty and you could do all different styles, but they all have like a certain thing that they're called. Um, and it's based off of like, the original game is Chinese. And this is really confusing, but every year there's a different card to like make the game more challenging that you play off of. It's like crazy. So now I have just so much respect for people who play mahjong because it's so complicated, but like now I like kind of want to be in a mahjong league.

• 53:55Paige DeSorbo?

  It's so funny because my assistant, Josephine, is always trying to play games.

• 54:01Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, she loves a game.

• 54:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Like anytime or anywhere.

• 54:04Hannah Berner?

  You're like, let's try responding to an email.

• 54:06Paige DeSorbo?

  And we have five. She'll be like, how about we play cards? I'm like, we are in the middle of a shoot.

• 54:14Hannah Berner?

  You also, when there's a second, you're watching your show. You're not like, starting. Also, you're not learning a game.

• 54:20Paige DeSorbo?

  No, the one day, the one day she did make me play cards. We were like, at my apartment, waiting for something. And like, we just had time and she was like, you know, we could. And I was like, well, do you even have it? And she was like, of course, I keep it in my bag.

• 54:33Paige DeSorbo?

  And now there's like, this new game that she wants to teach me. And we were at a shoot today and she was like, if I had brought it, like, we could have played it on set. And I'm like, we're at work, technically.

• 54:44Hannah Berner?

  She's like, no, I actually canceled the job.

• 54:46Paige DeSorbo?

  So I can't start playing that unless I play with, unless I bring her. So maybe like, me, you, Grace and Josephine, join like, some type of...

• 54:58Hannah Berner?

  Mahjong League.

• 54:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, Mahjong collab.

• 55:00Hannah Berner?

  I just think like, before phones, like, people played cards and games. I also heard, because I was talking to some people, this one woman has a 15-year-old daughter, who's obsessed with like, buying a Walkman. And like, all the nostalgia of like, the late 80s, early 90s. So like, the kids, I think, after Gen Z, there's a generation that saw Gen Z and was like, wait, maybe we should not be online as much.

• 55:29Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know, Gen Alpha's just as fucking nuts.

• 55:33Hannah Berner?

  Maybe before Gen Alpha. But I think, like, it's funny, the world is realizing, like, we gotta undo some stuff, because we've gone too far.

• 55:42Paige DeSorbo?

  I think whatever our generation's kids are, they're gonna be fine. I think, once like, the young, all the younger millennials have kids, we'll save the world. It's fine, just add it to our goddamn tab of things that we've had to deal with. Now we have to fix the whole human race?

• 56:01Hannah Berner?

  Can I say one thing that pissed me off this week?

• 56:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes, I love when other people get pissed off.

• 56:05Hannah Berner?

  A man, a man called me sweetheart.

• 56:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Give me the context.

• 56:10Hannah Berner?

  Like, it was like, in passing. Like, it was like, an older man that was just like, do you know where this is, sweetheart? Like, not in a creepy way, but it's like, I think we're done with that. Like, I don't...

• 56:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh.

• 56:21Hannah Berner?

  You love that, I hate that.

• 56:22Paige DeSorbo?

  I love that, because like, okay, how old?

• 56:26Hannah Berner?

  Not like, 80, that's fine.

• 56:28Paige DeSorbo?

  That's okay.

• 56:29Hannah Berner?

  He was probably like, like... Sixty?

• 56:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, so he's someone's dad?

• 56:35Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, don't call me sweetheart. Also, I'm thirty-four.

• 56:39Paige DeSorbo?

  See, I don't hate it because...

• 56:44Hannah Berner?

  You like being a sweetheart.

• 56:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Am I around a lot of creepy men? I'm like, wait a minute. No, because I feel like I've heard that growing up, my whole life, from either like my uncles or my dads being like, sweetheart, can you get like...

• 56:58Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, my dad never called me sweetheart.

• 57:00Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know, but yeah, I guess like a man that you don't know.

• 57:04Hannah Berner?

  But also I realize I am projecting, but like, yeah, in my household, I wasn't sweetheart. I was a bad bitch. So like, when a man tries to infantilize me and call me sweetheart, I'm like, I'm nobody's sweetheart. I'll ruin your fucking life. Sweetheart? Sweetheart? I'm gonna start calling men sweetheart. Imagine, I go, thanks sweetheart. Thanks sweetheart. That's how you know it's wrong, because if I can't do it back to you, don't do it to me.

• 57:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Even just the context in which I put that in, like, oh, well, I feel like there's a lot of men in my life, like, in my life, I've been called sweetheart. Is there anything that like our moms have called the boy, like any boy?

• 57:41Hannah Berner?

  Well, it's funny to think of like what boys call each other. They call each other boss, chief, like, thanks, chief. Chief, they get chief and boss, and we get sweetheart or ma'am.

• 57:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. Have you been called ma'am yet?

• 57:54Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, that's like a slur.

• 57:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I've been called ma'am by like a fifteen-year-old, well, it had to be sixteen, because it was like a valet parking attendant. And I looked and I was like... That just made me really upset, but, and then I ran the math in my head, like, yeah, he saw me and was like, this old bitch is someone's mom.

• 58:12Hannah Berner?

  See, I have imposter syndrome where I think we're twenty-seven.

• 58:15Paige DeSorbo?

  Not when you talk to someone that's like sixteen. Yes, with us, like around people like us, yeah, talking to you, I'm twenty-seven. When I'm dealing with anyone under twenty-five, I'm a strong thirty-three.

• 58:31Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm even pushing forty, cuz I'm like, you're doing what? With who? Even my friends that are like two years younger, I'm like, you're drinking at this hour? It's 11pm.

• 58:42Hannah Berner?

  You know when you're talking to older people and they make references of like movies and actors? And you're like, and they're like, you don't know who that is? And you're like, no?

• 58:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 58:49Hannah Berner?

  And you're like, that's so annoying, like, why would you even say that? But then you literally do it to them, you're like, you don't know who Justin Timberlake is? And they're like, what? I'm like, you don't fucking know your friend?

• 58:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, in our defense, we didn't have social media to learn those things. They have social media, all our famous people are still famous for them.

• 59:10Hannah Berner?

  Dez will bring something up and be like, you never saw that movie? I'm like, when did it come out? And he's like, 1992. I'm like, I couldn't walk. I was

• 59:20Hannah Berner?

  I couldn't even put a sentence together. And what was it? I had to wait for a rerun that my dad had to click? Like, you know the chances?

• 59:27Paige DeSorbo?

  I literally just stepped out of my mom's vagina. Gimme a minute. Like, I don't even have my own room yet.

• 59:33Hannah Berner?

  Whatever happened to, hi, hello, how are you?

• 59:37Hannah Berner?

  And I guess some people's parents were a little more like, you gotta watch these cult classics. But like, I was busy. And also, it literally was every night, my dad was watching the Knicks. And then going, during the commercial breaks, he would like go to the middle of The Godfather. And I'd watch it from the middle, and then I'd go back.

• 59:53Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't care as much, like, when I meet someone younger and we're talking about something that's very millennial-coded, and they're like, I haven't seen it, or I don't know it. I don't get upset about that. I'm like, yeah, why would you? Unless you had an older sibling? But when I meet someone that's my age, and I bring up a show, and I'm like, for example, like Clarissa Explains It All, or like Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Boy Meets World, and someone's like, oh, I didn't watch that? That's when I'm like, well, what were you doing? Because I was the same age, and I know that it was a Friday night, and it was TGIF Friday. So where were you when Boy Meets World was on? What were you watching?

• 1:00:33Hannah Berner?

  Wait, what's Clarissa? What's Clarissa? Who's Clarissa?

• 1:00:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Clarissa Explains It All.

• 1:00:41Hannah Berner?

  What is she explaining?

• 1:00:42Paige DeSorbo?

  It was Melissa Joan Hart, who is Sabrina the Teenage Witch. It was her show before. It was Clarissa Explains It All.

• 1:00:48Hannah Berner?

  Okay.

• 1:00:49Paige DeSorbo?

  And she sits in her room, and the guy comes up from her window. You know.

• 1:00:55Hannah Berner?

  That was at start- Okay, that's from 1991 to 1996, so you were watching reruns?

• 1:01:00Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I was watching it in 1996.

• 1:01:03Hannah Berner?

  When you were four?

• 1:01:05Paige DeSorbo?

  It was on... Oh, maybe I was watching reruns.

• 1:01:09Hannah Berner?

  That, I'm just saying, that was a throwback a little bit. You know I'll hold you accountable.

• 1:01:13Paige DeSorbo?

  I have a distinct memory of watching-

• 1:01:16Hannah Berner?

  Even Stevens, like, put it into my veins. Yeah, Steven Stevens.

• 1:01:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:01:21Hannah Berner?

  And-

• 1:01:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, you know what? I digress, never mind.

• 1:01:23Hannah Berner?

  You know what? Like, it's been a fucking long day. It's 1 o'clock. Like, even Stevens came out in 2000. We were on that.

• 1:01:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, this is, this is actually really diabolical. Hannah's in a different time zone, and last night it was like midnight New York time, and Hannah's like, "We could do like a late night giggly episode." I'm like, "It's midnight. I can't do giggly squad right now."

• 1:01:48Paige DeSorbo?

  You're like, "Hey, wanna sit for an hour and talk about everything that annoys us? Put it on the internet."

• 1:01:52Hannah Berner?

  I do have to say, it would've been an epic episode. I was like, shooting something yesterday, and a giggler was there, and she's like, "Have you recorded the pod yet?" I'm like, "No." Like, should we record it tonight?

• 1:02:01Paige DeSorbo?

  While you texted me that, I was full face mask, hair mask. I was like, "I'm a little busy."

• 1:02:07Hannah Berner?

  Well, that's something with you. At night, you actually like have a second job at night, which is like undoing the day and like being prepared for the next day, where I actually am kind of creatively at my peak at 11:00 PM.

• 1:02:20Paige DeSorbo?

  When you share a bed with a man, like, so many things can happen, but like, one of the things is like them knowing your schedule, and like, if I wanna get up because you've already fallen asleep, and I haven't even fallen asleep yet, and I wanna do things downstairs, like, different projects on my own, like, it's none of your business.

• 1:02:41Hannah Berner?

  Wait, projects. We have to do projects to stay sane.

• 1:02:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, like if I get a hankering to organize my hair closet.

• 1:02:50Hannah Berner?

  And the hair closet is right next to the bed. That's not my business.

• 1:02:54Paige DeSorbo?

  I literally, I have to do it.

• 1:02:56Hannah Berner?

  No, but my problem is Dez falls asleep during the Met game around 7:30 and then he, I put him down around 8. And then obviously I have to brush my teeth. Sometimes I have to shower. Like this is not conducive.

• 1:03:09Paige DeSorbo?

  And sometimes I'll truly be laying in bed and this man will be falling asleep next to me and I will be wide awake and in my head I'll be like, I didn't have enough time with me today. And so I physically have to get up from the bed, go onto the couch, do something different, do something that's just for me. And I don't think there's enough women out here talking about what we're doing from the hours of like 10:30 PM to like, I'm gonna say 2 AM.

• 1:03:38Hannah Berner?

  I was gonna say 2.

• 1:03:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Because I know there's a lot of women that are, were up.

• 1:03:42Hannah Berner?

  There's a word for it where it's like you have to make up for lost time in the day that you didn't spend by yourself.

• 1:03:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes. That's how I feel. That's how I feel. If I worked all day, if I woke up with a man in the morning, I worked all day and then I'm going home and I'm getting in bed with that same said man, I had no time alone. I had no time alone.

• 1:04:03Hannah Berner?

  You're like, if it's a different man, that's all the time.

• 1:04:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Different situation.

• 1:04:07Hannah Berner?

  That's just trying out different flavors.

• 1:04:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, you've got new things. Same man. You're like, I need to be alone for a second. That's when I scoop Kitty up.

• 1:04:15Hannah Berner?

  I was gonna say, does Kitty love this like second time of the day where you hang out alone with her? She loves it.

• 1:04:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes. Well, yeah, because like when, when there's a man in bed, it's a different aura. Cause like usually it's just the two of us. She's on her side. I'm on my side. Like she likes what I watch on TV. We don't ever disagree about it. Like she doesn't want any of my snacks. I don't want any of hers. So when there's a man in the bed, it throws off the whole situation.

• 1:04:42Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, Butter, when I'm just sleeping alone, she's literally, you could tell in her eyes, she's like, I could lay anywhere.

• 1:04:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Kitty's turs go crazy. Don't even need a sound machine with us. Don't even need a sound machine. Just pet her head.

• 1:04:58Paige DeSorbo?

  It's the best.

• 1:04:58Hannah Berner?

  Oh, anyway, you guys, it is gonna be an amazing week for everyone. We love you so, so, so much and thank you for giggling with us. Talk to you soon. Bye.

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• 1:05:45Hannah Berner?

  Hey, it's Hannah and Paige. Thank you so much for tuning into Giggly Squad every week.

• 1:05:49Paige DeSorbo?

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